The 39 Steps / 1792 Single Barrel Bourbon

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In 1935, director Alfred
Hitchcock and star Robert

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Dunnott gave the world a goofy
spy chase that brought laughs

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and thrills alike.
In 2023 we asked the all

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important question.
If we didn't like the version

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that came from many barrels,
will we like the version that

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comes from only one?
The film is the 39 steps.

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The whiskey is 1792 Single
Barrel and more of you them both

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this is.
The film and whiskey.

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Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And this week we are looking at

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Alfred Hitchcock's 1935 British
spy thriller comedy The 39

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Steps.
It's something, Bob.

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It's it's definitely something
man.

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And look, not to jump in too
quickly to talking about the

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movie itself, Brad, but one
thing that blew me away watching

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it this time.
First of all, we always say

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this, the sub 90 minute movie.
Just chest kiss.

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Let's go.
Brad, sometimes movies from the

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1930s, if I'm going to be honest
with you.

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I think that's like my least
favorite era of movie making,

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because sound had just been
introduced and they were really

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struggling with the pacing of
movies for a long time there.

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And it's not until like the mid
30s I feel like that movies in

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general kind of found their
footing again.

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Bob, I'm gasping in Cinephile
right now.

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How to dare you speak down on
the oh?

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There's some notables.
Lizard, there's some notable

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exceptions to the rule, but in
general I just find myself

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getting really bored with movies
from the early 30s.

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And so anytime we go back this
far and I'm looking at all of

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our movies that we've done,
Brad, this has got to be like

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one of the five oldest movies
we've done.

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If you take out the chaplains
like it, we don't go back into

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the early 1930s to you know, or
mid 30s very often.

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I was going to say outside of
the chaplains, 39 is probably

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our earliest year.
Yeah, somewhere around there.

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And I was going to say what
shocked me this time is how fast

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this thing moves.
You know, we've been looking at

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Hitchcock in the 1940s in
America, and some of those

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melodramas that he made after he
came over from Britain really

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kind of dragged and needed,
needed some cutting done to

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them.
And so my worry was going even

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farther back into his British
days, they would get even more

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slow.
But man, it seems like before he

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jumped the pond.
He really had something going

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here because this thing is cut
like a Scorsese movie.

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Yeah.
Bob, I'm going to disagree with

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you a little bit on the pacing.
For me, it had multiple parts of

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the film where I just kind of
felt really bored and I felt

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very much so like I was ready
for this movie to be over.

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Oh gosh.
And like I'm I'm with you 100

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percent 79 minute movie.
Awesome.

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I was very excited when I saw
that.

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Usually a good gauge for me is
like when I feel the need to

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move the mouse a little bit,
check it, pause, see how much

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time is left and there's still
40 minutes left of the film out

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of the 86 minute movie.
Oh man, it just worried me a

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little bit.
All right.

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Well, let me phrase it this way
then, because I feel like you'll

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at least agree with this.
When we think about movies that

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are this old, and again, you
know we haven't watched very

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many for the podcast.
But even think about, you know,

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some of the other Hitchcock's
we've done recently, like

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Notorious, the length of the
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And sometimes he's doing
wonders, but even when he's not,

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they're just very, very long
shots and setups.

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Where is this movie?
Is just like bang, an insert

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shot, bang two people talking
like it.

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It's almost like a a really
quick moving montage in points.

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And I'm not used to seeing that
kind of rapid cutting in a movie

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this old.
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And I I think that there are
certain elements that make the

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movie feel more modern, one of
being which what you just said.

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I also think some of the
dialogue is way Whittier than

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you would expect from such an
old film, like there's some

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genuinely funny lines in this.
So yeah, I think that you can

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tell that this isn't just your
average 1930s director figuring

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out sound like Hitchcock is
telling a story here, and

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overall he does a really good
job at it.

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I, you know, I went to see the
Taylor Swift Eras Tour movie

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over the weekend.
Oh, Bob, book the Swifty.

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You know it, man.
And so maybe I've just got eras

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on the brain, but it's been kind
of cool to visit early Hollywood

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Hitchcock.
You know, we've already done

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late Hollywood Hitchcock and now
we're going back into pre

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Hollywood Hitchcock.
And they're like very distinct

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from each other.
And so I'm, I'm really excited

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to dive into this movie, Brad.
It was one of two that I was

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kind of debating between putting
on our list, the other one being

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a movie called The Lady
Vanishes, which I found to be

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way more slow moving than this
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So you're welcome if 'cause if
you thought this one was slow,

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oh buddy, The Lady Vanishes.
Does not move as briskly for me

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as this one does.
My attention vanishes.

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Well, hey, we're going to get
into talking about the 39 Steps.

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But before we get there, I do
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All right.

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I said we're going to start
talking about the movie and to

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do that we have to get to our
first segment of the day, which

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we call, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we

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call.
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen, often for the

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first time Brad.
I'm going to go out on a pretty

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massive limb here and say first
time with the 39 steps, first

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time today, Bob.
I watch this movie every single

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day, get up at 4:30.
I I really can't start my day

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without a little bit of Robert
Denot, You know what I mean?

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What a beautiful man, by the
way.

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Dude.
The first few scenes that he is

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in, he's a little bit frazzled,
his hair is kind of fussed up

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and I was like, he kind of looks
like Andrew Garfield a little

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bit.
He has some Garfield vibes.

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Yeah, I'm a big fan.
Anyway, you Brad, you have 60

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seconds on the clock, Brad
explains.

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Is where you spoil the movie in
graphic detail.

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How are you doing on the the the
plot mechanics here Brad?

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It's kind of convoluted at
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It's a little bit obtuse if if
I'm allowed to use a $10 word,

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Bob.
Did you watch it with subtitles?

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I did not watch it with
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Now I see I just kind of
automatically watch things with

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subtitles now because it helps
me understand things better.

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And if I'm being honest, man,
those Scottish accents be thick

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at at parts of this movie.
So I double see I did not.

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Find it super hard to follow,
but that's because I was like

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reading the script as they said
the script.

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So I can't get away from the
fact that as I get older, I

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think I realize more and more
how limited my attention is.

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And I can't get over the fact
that, like if I'm looking at the

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bottom of the screen and
reading, I'm missing like 70% of

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what's going on on the screen.
Wow.

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And I don't know if like other
people are just better at that

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than me, but I have found in the
past year or so that if I can

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not watch a movie with
subtitles, I much prefer it.

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Sounds like a you problem man.
See I.

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You know when when Bong Joon Ho
won his best director Oscar at

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the at the Academy Awards, he
said I if people can just get

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over the one inch obstacle at
the bottom of the screen, then a

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whole new world of cinema will
open to them.

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It sounds like you need to get
over that obstacle.

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I love me some parasite.
I don't know what you're talking

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about.
Yeah, but you weren't reading

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it, apparently.
Yeah, but I mean.

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But it's real pretty to look at.
Hitchcock did not mean for

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anyone to watch this film with
subtitles, so I'm going to stick

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with the director here and
watched it without Subs.

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All right, as Hitchcock
intended.

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Brad, you have one minute on the
clock to break down this movie

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and go.
The 39 Steps is a film about

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Robert Dennott's character.
What's his name?

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Harry Carey.
Robert Dennott, Yeah, yeah, his

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character's name.
Yeah, his name is Robert

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Dennott.
I don't know what his name.

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Oh, OK, let's see.
It's Hannah.

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Hannah.
Hannah.

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He's a guy who's Canadian and is
in London.

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And this woman meets him at like
a show hall and shoots a gun and

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clears everybody out.
And boy, oh boy does she tell

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him plot stuff, that there's bad
people who are stealing

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information from the Brits.
And so he goes on a wild goose

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chase to figure out what's going
on after she's murdered.

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He meets another woman along the
way who sucks and she

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continually tries to give him
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There's people on his tail.
He meets a professor who doesn't

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have a pinky and at the end of
this day, this memorization guy

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memorized all the details of the
secret and tried to get out of

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the country.
I think.

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All right, we're going to stop
there, Bob.

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This Don't, don't, don't over
exert yourself.

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This movie, if I may be so bold,
sucks.

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Here's my counterpoint.
OK, I'm ready for no, it does

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not.
Oh yeah, wow.

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I never thought of it that way
before.

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I'm going to so this is going to
be a fun episode because I'm

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really high on this movie.
I've I loved this movie.

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I thought it it absolutely
breezed by.

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You know as I read the plot
details while watching it.

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I thought it was really easy to
understand here.

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Can I can I do Bob?
I'll explain here for a second.

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Here's no Here's the thing, Bob.
The plot's easy to understand.

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Man is framed for murder.
He tries to figure out the the

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stuff that the woman who was
murdered was trying to figure

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out, to clear his own name.
Like, like that's the plot.

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It's not that hard to figure
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It's the way they go about
showing the plot and moving

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about the movie that I'm like,
this is just OK.

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I guess stuff's just happening
now.

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I guess we're just kind of
moving along.

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I guess this woman just is the
worst.

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But now she's not.
None of it flowed well for me.

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Now the individual scenes, some
of the individual interactions

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between characters and things
like that were incredible.

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And I think that Robert Denott
and and Madeline Carroll have

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really great chemistry.
They have some really fun scenes

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together, but overall the movie
just kind of felt incredibly

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messy.
Yeah, I'm in a completely

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different spot than you.
And so like I said, I think this

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will be a fun back and forth if
you don't keep cutting me off

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and telling me no when I'm
trying to make a point.

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But besides that, yeah, you
know, Brad, maybe the best way

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to start framing this movie is,
I think, the kind of obvious

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thing.
And I'm going to tip my hand

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with our Let's make it a double
here because this movie.

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Feels like the proto North by
Northwest.

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Like it seems like his His best
run at North by Northwest 24

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years earlier.
Which me, Which makes a lot of

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sense because by the time he
gets to North by Northwest, not

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only has he improved, I think as
a director, even though this is

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really well directed, but he's
like, I've done this exact same

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story before.
I know where the beats need to

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be kind of tightened up a little
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need to fill with something.
But overall, I think the thing

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that impresses me the most about
this movie is it's like 85

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minutes long.
And so there's just not a lot of

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downtime in between things
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At least for me, there wasn't.
And it was, you know, it's very

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much like this.
So this guy goes to a Music

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Hall, shots ring out, this woman
clutches his arm, is very scared

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and says, can I come home with
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And Robert Donat is so good.
Because he's like, immediately.

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He's like, can you come home
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Like, I I suppose you can come
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They go back to his apartment.
She spills the beans.

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She's like, there's two guys
outside that followed me here.

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He's like, what's going on?
She's like, I am a spy.

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And I have been basically outed
by the counter spies who are

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trying to smuggle secrets out of
England.

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They're led by a ring.
Was the counter spy.

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They were the spies Well.
OK, whatevs you know?

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She's like, I need help.
They're trying to smuggle

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secrets out of England.
They are led by a guy that I'm

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supposed to go meet.
He is missing his finger below

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the the knuckle.
That's the only way I can

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distinguish him.
She's like, and now that I've

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told you all this, they're going
to come for you too.

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And he's like, I think, I think
you misspoke, she said.

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He's missing finger beneath
Piggy.

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Dude, she's she is such a bad
actress.

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And that's what set this movie
off on the right path for me

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because it is, it is
intentionally funny at parts.

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It is intentionally very
suspenseful at parts.

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And then there's other parts
where it's just like, who is

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this goofy woman that he found
to play this role?

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And so anyway, she ends up with
a knife in her back, and Robert

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Dennot is immediately framed for
her murder and has to go on the

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run to try to find this guy
missing a finger because he

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thinks the guy's going to help
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He runs through the Scottish
Highlands, he finds the guy, the

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guy turns out to be the main bad
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And it's revealed that the 39
steps is this secret spy ring,

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kind of like Spectre in James
Bond, where you can't trust the

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cops, you can't trust anybody.
He goes on the lamb.

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He finds a doll, a Dame if you
will, and she doesn't believe

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him for a long time.
And then she does, and then they

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foil the plot.
It's like bang, bang, bang,

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bang, bang for me.
And I think that's, that's what

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I really like about this movie,
is even if it didn't work as

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well as it did for me and
clearly sounded like it didn't

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for you, Brad.
I mean, you're in and out in 85

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minutes, Yeah.
No, I once again, there are

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short movies that can feel long
and long movies that can feel

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short.
Like it's more than just the

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actual time that is spent
watching the film.

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And I think that's where for me,
the messiness of the movie kept

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it from feeling like a
streamlined steam engine flying

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down the tracks.
Like there's there's just so

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much messiness happening and so
much why, why did that happen?

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What's going on?
That forced me to, like, I don't

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know, just like it forced me
into a place where I was like,

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OK, are we really going there?
OK, sure.

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And it didn't allow me to just
sink into the world of the

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movie.
I I think that's what I'm trying

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to communicate, is that there's
just so much silly stuff

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happening that none of it
facilitated my enjoyment of just

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falling into the film.
And so because I'm thinking

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about it the whole time, yeah,
I'm it feels like it's taking

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forever.
Where are you at?

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Like on James Bond movies in
general or just like spy type

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movies.
Man, I have watched one or two

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of the older, you know, Sean
Connery, Rodger, what's his

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name?
Rodger Moore.

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Rodger Moore.
I watched maybe like two or

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three of those when I was a kid
and thought that they were silly

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and and kind of fun as like an
810 twelve year old.

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I've never gone back and watched
any of those since.

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So really my my best exposure to
the world of Double O 7 is, you

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know, Daniel Craig.
Right.

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Well, and that's, you know, it's
good and it's bad because I feel

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like as we got into the Pierce
the Post, Pierce Brosnan era,

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there's an emphasis on these
need to be much more like Jason

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Bourne movies, right?
There is there is no silliness

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inherent to the plot.
Whereas that had been something

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that from the beginning, like
James Bond characters, James

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Bond plots are inherently silly.
Like they just are.

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And you have to have those
moments of levity.

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And I feel like that's actually
what made this last Daniel Craig

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Bond movie for me kind of suck,
was that they tried to shoehorn

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in some of those things while
maintaining an overly dower look

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tone.
And so anyway I say all that to

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say like.
I'm wondering if some of the

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silliness of the plot mechanics
Brad is, you know, how much

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would you put on this movie
itself, and how much would you

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put on?
Like, I just don't really jibe

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with silly spy thrillers.
Yeah, maybe.

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I mean, I I definitely grew up
in an era of Mission Impossible,

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Jason Bourne type of spy movies.
I think overall though, the bits

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and pieces of this movie that I
did like, I like, really, really

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liked.
And I I think that Robert Denot

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and Madeline Carroll is it like,
like I said, they have great

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chemistry and I think that they
both have wonderful scenes

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together.
It was just a few moments of

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like, why is she at the
political hall?

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Is that even her?
Why would she be here?

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And then once they get into them
talking, I'm like, OK, sure,

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there's chemistry.
It works, but why is she there

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again?
What's going on?

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Like it just all just yeah.
All right.

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Well, we're going to talk about
the performances.

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I do want to ask like one final
question on this whole topic

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before we get into it, Brad.
And if OK, if we take out Cary

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Grant as a a response, what is
it about North by Northwest that

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works so almost perfectly for
you when you think about like?

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Structure, pacing, tone.
That doesn't quite work for you

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here because like I said, I I
think they are very similar

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movies.
Yeah, I mean there's they're

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similar in like big picture idea
like if you went and pitched

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this movie and pitched North by
Northwest to, you know,

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executives, they would sound
like almost the exact same

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pitch.
So I think on a broad level,

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looking at it, they're very
similar.

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I think that what works in North
by Northwest is just the fact

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that everything moves so
smoothly from one place to the

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next.
Like he he takes the time

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necessary to to sweep the
audience along with him on the

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adventure.
Whereas this one it's like it it

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needed about 8 extra minutes, it
stays a 90 ish minute movie but

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like 8 to 10 more minutes to not
feel so rushed and like things

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are just popping up out of
nowhere.

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Like everything in North by
Northwest makes sense on why

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things are happening and where
things are moving especially as

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you get to the end of the film
and and more and more secrets

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are revealed.
This one it's like the the

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secrets that get revealed are
you kind of feel like the cheat

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Macguffins.
It's like, oh, Yep.

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And I guess the memory man knows
it.

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And I I guess she's.
Got caught up in this and she's

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showing up at this political
hall where he's giving a speech

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because he got mistaken identity
all of a sudden like.

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What a great movie.
I love this movie.

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It's so good.
It is funny too.

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Brad, you know, I I've always
talked about how unpredictable

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you are in terms of like when I
think you'll like a movie and

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you don't because there are
times when like the the logic of

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the movie just doesn't matter,
right?

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Like.
You know, to you and to me,

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like, if the movie works well
enough, you're like, I don't

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like, I don't really care how he
got here.

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I don't really care if that,
like, why is she here?

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Whatever.
This is a fun movie, and I think

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for me that's this movie, and
for you it is some other movie

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that is not this one.
Yeah.

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Yeah, no, 100%.
And I I think that part of it is

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also like the fact that this is
Hitchcock, you know what I mean?

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Like, at the end of the day, you
expect more out of the great

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directors of all time.
And for me, I was just like, oh,

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I expected more than this from
Hitchcock and it it didn't

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deliver.
And that's OK.

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Like, he doesn't have to deliver
on every single movie he makes.

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Like you said, by the time he
made Notorious, he'd already

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made like 30 films, which means
that here in 1935, he's probably

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already made like 15.
So when I when I think about

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just who Hitchcock is, I think I
just expected more Polish.

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All right.
Well, man, I feel like I have

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given you the floor too much to
to denigrate this movie.

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And listeners are probably
dropping like flies at this

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point because it's only when
both of us are very enthusiastic

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about a movie that I feel like
we actually inspire people to go

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see the movie.
So I we've pretty much taken

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care of that at this point.
No one will go watch 39 Steps,

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even though I am going to give
it a very high score.

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And I think it works like
gangbusters.

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I need to salvage this a little
bit, Brad.

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Let's bring this back around.
And I think we can do that by

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talking quickly about these two
main performers, Robert Donat

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and Madeline Carroll.
And let's start, let's start

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with Robert Donat, because I
think all we've said about him

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so far is he is very beautiful
and he reminds us of Andrew

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Garfield.
And I think what I'll say is.

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It doesn't feel like a 1935
hammy, stagey performance to me.

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Like it feels very lived in.
Not quite like a like a

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naturalistic performance, but
definitely ahead of its time, I

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think.
And I was just really, really

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pleasantly surprised at how he
finds the perfect amount of

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being bemused by the whole
thing.

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Like he never stops being horny.
He's always trying to like,

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sleep with somebody.
You know, he kisses that one

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guy's wife on the mouth when she
helps him out.

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And that one's not like, sexual.
It's more just, thank you very

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much.
And I know that your husband

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sucks, but like, you're never
going to get a kiss like this

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again, baby.
Baby.

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And then walk out the door.
But like, you know, with Cary

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Grant's in North by Northwest,
Cary Grant had achieved a very

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particular kind of bemusement
too.

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And at that point, it was the
bemusement of, like a guy who is

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older like.
No, I'm not going to run.

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I can't run anymore.
I have bad knees, but I am going

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to sit here and crack jokes
about this.

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And Robert Donat is a much
different, Like, he's much

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younger, he's much more
athletic.

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He can run up and down the
Scottish Highlands, chasing,

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getting chased by these guys,
but he never stops having a

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sense of wit about it.
And I think he plays it

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absolutely perfectly.
Yeah.

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I think that Donat has a natural
charm and charisma that lets him

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be more casual with with his
acting compared to, like you

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said, a more hammy chewing the
scenery type of performance.

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I think that what really helps
him the most is the fact that

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Hitchcock keeps him moving and
keeps him on his toes as a

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character.
The I don't know.

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Am I allowed to say bad things
about it, Bob?

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Or is my statue?
You can say bad things.

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That's fine.
It's fine.

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OK.
OK.

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I'll just, I'll just go back to
the messiness of the film.

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There's just certain points,
specifically the political

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speech that he gives where I'm
like, where did this come from

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character wise?
Like all of a sudden he's giving

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this political speech that
you're like, is Hitchcock is

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preaching at us?
Is there something going on

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here?
Because it doesn't feel like it

447
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,880
fits with the rest of the film.
And so I think moments like

448
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,880
that, like he does an incredible
job there as an actor.

449
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,960
But I think the character
suffers because of what's going

450
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,720
on in the script.
And I I I think I can separate

451
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,200
those things in my mind and be
like, yeah, I don't know why the

452
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,040
hell Hitchcock asked him to do
that, but he did a great job.

453
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,360
All right.
On the other side, you've got

454
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:06,600
Madeleine Carroll.
And I will say this, Brad, I

455
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,480
think that the movie takes a
pretty drastic shift.

456
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:15,320
At the one hour ish mark.
So he has been being chased solo

457
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,280
until he gets handcuffed to her
in the back of a police wagon by

458
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,240
two guys who aren't actually
policemen.

459
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,840
You you come to kind of figure
out who they really are, but

460
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,800
they get handcuffed together and
make their escape and hijinks

461
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,960
ensue and there is some comedy
involved.

462
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,760
And you know, they have to
pretend like they're married

463
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,880
couple and they're hiding their
hands and he's pretending to

464
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,360
threaten her with a gun because
she thinks that he's a murderer

465
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:42,720
and like.
There's a lot of convoluted

466
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,080
comedy there, but I also like
this is where I started to feel

467
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,680
like, oh OK, this is the biggest
lull in the movie for me.

468
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,520
Like I'd, I really want to get
back to this guy being chased.

469
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,600
And I know that they're trying
to set up like romantic tension

470
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,680
and character development here.
But when they go to that in and

471
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,840
you know the old Scottish woman
is thinks that they're a married

472
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,320
couple and the whole everything
that unfolds throughout that

473
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,840
night.
It takes a long time to get

474
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,160
through.
Now I will say, I will say it's

475
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,880
it's like the one hour mark and
the movie ends at like the hour

476
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,960
25 mark.
So like it's probably only about

477
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,280
10-12 minutes of screen time
before you're back into it again

478
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,920
for the finale of the movie.
But I I don't want to penalize

479
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,400
Madeleine Carroll for this
because again, I think it's it's

480
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,400
a victim of like the plot
mechanics in the script, but.

481
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,960
I think her character to me kind
of represents the parts of this

482
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,920
movie that I don't care for,
because every time they're

483
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,040
trying to develop her, the movie
slows down it.

484
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,160
It grinds to a halt.
I think it's the phrase you were

485
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,120
looking for.
And and The thing is that, like

486
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,240
the scene in The Scottish Inn
has really funny moments.

487
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,880
It's got some meaningful
character development, but it

488
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,920
does feel like it takes up like
3/4 of this movie, even though

489
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,160
it's maybe like 10%.
And you then get to the theater

490
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,000
at the end and all of a sudden
the movie's over and it felt

491
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,680
jarring to go from like, let's
slow down and they're spending

492
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,520
the night together at this
madcap chase is finally crying

493
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,800
ground to a halt.
And then all of a sudden we're

494
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,520
at the theater and it's a memory
man.

495
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560
And he confessed.
Also, why did the memory man

496
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,080
answer the question?
You know it's funny like I I

497
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,840
don't know if it's if it's
implied that like he he has to

498
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,200
like he like he has some sort of
like.

499
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480
He's on the spectrum or he has
like Asperger's, you know what I

500
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,200
mean?
But like, it feels very much

501
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,080
like all he does is compute
things and then spits them out.

502
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
So I I don't know.
I think it's because the movie

503
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,960
needed to happen.
Yeah, the answer you always want

504
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,080
to hear when asking questions.
All right, man.

505
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,480
Well, it's very obvious to me
that we're in different places

506
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,360
on this movie.
I'm still enjoying myself

507
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:00,480
because this movie was a
freaking blast and like, the

508
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,840
best way I could have spent 86
minutes last night.

509
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,640
But I'll say, I'll say something
I like about it, Go for it.

510
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,080
The scene on the on the train
was incredible.

511
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,640
Like, it felt like a really
early version of high and low,

512
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,280
like they're they're on the
train, the camera's moving with

513
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,920
them.
Obviously it's 1935, so the

514
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760
camera's not dollying through
the hallway with them, But there

515
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:31,600
is a really cool thrill of that
scene for me.

516
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,520
That little scene, that little
1015 minute scene was like the

517
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,360
best part of the movie for me.
Well, now I'm really second

518
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,240
guessing myself because the
movie that I could have chosen

519
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,000
over this, The Lady Vanishes, is
entirely set on a train.

520
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:50,080
So I had no idea that you were
such a train movie fan.

521
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,800
Yeah.
All right, man.

522
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,800
Well, let's let's carry these
split feelings into the whiskey

523
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,920
for the day and see if we can
find some consensus.

524
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

525
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,560
All right.
So today we are checking out

526
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:15,800
1792 Single Barrel.
Brad, we are on a losing streak

527
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,240
here with this brand.
I don't really know how else to.

528
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,560
Let's not beat around the Bush
here.

529
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Yeah, I unfortunately, the 1792
products so far have been billed

530
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,560
as like really solid,
affordable, you know, $30 ish

531
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,320
whiskeys.
I have not experienced that, to

532
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,240
be blunt.
The affordability or the solid

533
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,240
part?
The affordability, Bob, is

534
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,240
incredible.
I did not pay any money for this

535
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,080
whiskey.
There you go.

536
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,480
So whiskey is always the most
affordable kind?

537
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,480
Yeah.
I will say I was much higher

538
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280
than you on the small batch, and
I think part of that is that I

539
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,600
was just drinking out of my own
bottle and maybe trying to

540
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,920
justify the purchase.
But I'm with you on the sweet

541
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,680
weed and the high rye, and today
we have a sample that has been

542
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,880
sitting on our shelf for
probably far too long from the

543
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,240
Instagram account and friend of
the podcast Bourbon and stuff.

544
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,520
This is the 1792 single barrel.
And the thing about this barrel

545
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,320
Brad is I have seen a picture of
the actual bottle this came from

546
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,000
and there is, there is like no
indicators on the bottle itself.

547
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,760
Like I really have no idea what
the barrel number is, what the

548
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,640
age of this is.
It's just, I mean, it looks like

549
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,200
your standard 1792 bottle.
It just says single barrel.

550
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,240
Do you know the proof?
Yeah Brad, so this is not a

551
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,760
barrel proof version of the
product.

552
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,200
It's been watered down to 98.6
proof or 49.3 ABV.

553
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,200
And just a reminder to all of
our fans out there who might

554
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,040
not, you know know all of the
insurance and outs of whiskey.

555
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,840
Watered down is not a bad term
in the.

556
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Whiskey.
I should have said diluted, I

557
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,520
know, Yeah, literally.
It has been watered down to a

558
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,840
certain proof point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

559
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,520
Just just so everybody knows,
watered down has a negative

560
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,640
connotation in most contexts.
However, here for the whiskey

561
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440
world, it literally just means
they added some water to it to

562
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,080
make it more a little softer.
Well, it takes takes the edge

563
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,080
off Bob.
There you go.

564
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,360
Gentle on the old pallet, Brad,
I will let you start us off

565
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,840
today.
We've both tried this product

566
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,520
and we have come prepared with
notes.

567
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,920
What did you pick up on the nose
of this one dude?

568
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,680
I was a very big fan of the nose
here, which was a a great, great

569
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,800
surprise as as compared to the
last three weeks.

570
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,360
I got some bubble gum, There's
caramel and vanilla and I I got

571
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,400
like my my daughter is a huge
fan of anything that is like

572
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,000
birthday clake birthday cake
flavored.

573
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,240
And you know, as a 2 year old
that can be expected.

574
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:57,160
This was like a birthday cake,
Timken or timbed or whatever

575
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480
they're called.
Like a like the doughnut holes.

576
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Oh yeah, yeah.
You know what I'm talking about?

577
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Like a timbed.
That's like the birthday cake

578
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,040
flavored.
It's got the spark, the

579
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080
sprinkles in it.
That is what this smelled like

580
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,800
to me.
It's rich, delectable.

581
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,680
I give it an 8 out of 10 on the
nose.

582
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,280
Yeah man, I wish that mine had
opened up as much as yours did.

583
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,960
This for me was kind of all oak.
And for the first time, maybe

584
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,640
ever on a bourbon, I got
something that I sometimes get

585
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,800
on Scotch, which is like.
A a very saline heavy, kind of

586
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,160
meaty scent, like salted meats.
I got on this a little bit and

587
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,720
that threw me off.
After about a minute or two it

588
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,720
kind of opened up into your more
standard bourbon notes.

589
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,520
I got a lot of vanilla on this,
but even then it was overpowered

590
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,400
by how oaky it was on the nose.
So I'm going to give it just a

591
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,600
six here and and hope that it
gets better, Yeah.

592
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,680
So on the palate for me, the
vanilla really powered through

593
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,880
strong like it did for you.
On the nose I I almost called it

594
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,000
like a vanilla extract, like you
just open the bottle and give it

595
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,320
a little puff into your nose.
There was some almond nuttiness

596
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,680
here.
The caramel comes through and

597
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,000
the cakeiness stayed, but it
wasn't.

598
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,920
It didn't smell like cake
anymore to me.

599
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:19,160
It smelled like a jar of cheap
white frosting, like sugary.

600
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,000
And delicious.
And your score?

601
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,240
Oh, and I give it a 7.5.
Not quite as compelling as the

602
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,920
nose was, but like a really
solid above average palette.

603
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,240
I'm a big fan of the palette on
this one, mostly because of

604
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,520
like, the progression of how
things happen.

605
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Like it was it was surprise
after surprise for me.

606
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,600
So it opened with a lot of
really strong vanilla and

607
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,480
caramel sweetness on the tip of
my tongue, like it was a very

608
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,280
sugary sweet.
And then as it kind of like

609
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,640
moved back on my palate, there
was a nice heat.

610
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,360
This is definitely like the
hottest tasting one we've had so

611
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,800
far, even though it's still
under 100 proof.

612
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,960
When I went to swallow,
everything just kind of opened

613
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,520
up and it was just like an
explosion of cinnamon, almost

614
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,480
like cinnamon red hot candy and
oak.

615
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,440
But they went together so well
that I felt like it.

616
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,639
It really gave this whiskey a
backbone that the others before

617
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,800
this had been missing.
And it and it wasn't over oaked

618
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,080
and that was I think the most
surprising thing to me.

619
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,199
So yeah, 7 1/2 on the pallet for
me And then the finish was kind

620
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:29,040
of more of the same.
It it built both in ethanol and

621
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,719
in flavor like this.
Definitely had the most

622
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,960
aggressive finish of the four
for me so far.

623
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,360
But again it was backed up by
just a ton of that cinnamon

624
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,440
flavor.
I gave it an 8 on the finish.

625
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,960
Yeah, I think the finish was a
similar level of the pallet for

626
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,840
me.
I'll give it a 7 1/2 there.

627
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,120
There's oak, there's vanilla,
and I got like like we talked

628
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,120
about weeded whiskeys having
like a cherry flavor to it.

629
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,600
I don't think that this is that
level of cherry.

630
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,400
For me, it's more of like a
maraschino cherry vibe on the

631
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,120
finish that.
That was Vibe.

632
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,720
It's the Lacroix of Cherries.
It's just like, hey, remember

633
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:13,080
Cherries?
Yeah, that's a good, that's a

634
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,240
good way of describing it, Bob.
I think the balance here is like

635
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,400
there's nothing complex about
this whiskey, but it's pretty

636
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,320
solid all around.
I I'd give it a 7 out of 10.

637
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Yeah, I'm with you.
The only notes that I really

638
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,400
took on this were builds nicely,
period 7.5, and it does it.

639
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,360
It progressively gets more
complex and more interesting as

640
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600
it goes along.
And so it's not perfectly

641
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,680
interesting across the board,
but I'd rather have it go up

642
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,600
then go down throughout the
experience.

643
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,080
So it's a 7.5 for me, yeah.
And I I think that when it comes

644
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:52,040
to value, it seems like single
barrels of the 1792 variety go

645
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,960
for around $70.00 that that was
kind of the best that I could

646
00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,080
see online.
I don't know about you, Bob.

647
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,600
This is not like the greatest
single barrel that I've ever had

648
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,840
by by a stretch, but it was
pretty solid.

649
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,760
Brad, I hate to kind of poke
holes in your theory here, but I

650
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,960
am on the Ohio Liquor website.
And in the state of Ohio, this

651
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,080
is sold for 3999, so it is an
allocated bourbon.

652
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,920
I think it only drops once a
year and so you have to enter

653
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,960
the bottle lottery for it.
But the $70.00 you're seeing I

654
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,360
think is a secondary price.
So MSRP is is what most people

655
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,400
are going to get.
It at for sure.

656
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,640
For sure.
MSRP is 40 bucks I think maybe

657
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,600
let's split the difference,
let's call it like 55.

658
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Is that OK?
Sure.

659
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,280
Yeah, I think that's fair.
At $55 I don't think this is a

660
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,640
bad value.
I definitely.

661
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:49,200
So I scored it at a 7.5 out of
10 on value at the MSRP.

662
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,920
At 55 it would be lower than
that.

663
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,000
I think I'd probably want to
give it a six out of 10.

664
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,200
I I was literally singing,
thinking the same thing.

665
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:03,000
I think if this is in the 55,
you know, 50 to 60 range, it's

666
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,080
decent value.
It's a bottle that I'd be

667
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,920
intrigued by, but it's not
something that I would

668
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,040
necessarily go out and say I
have to have some of this.

669
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480
So yeah, six, Six out of 6 out
of 10 for me.

670
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,720
Well, and with that 1 1/2 point
deduction for my value score,

671
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,320
I'm coming out to a 35 out of
50.

672
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,600
Brad, what are you at?
I'm a point above you 36.

673
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,360
All right.
So we are at a 35.5 out of 50 or

674
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:34,160
a 71 out of 100.
This is kind of nice because 35

675
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,560
is generally where we start
recommending a product and I

676
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,960
think this is right there.
Like if ever anything was on the

677
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,080
cusp for me anyway, it was this
product and I think the score

678
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,200
perfectly reflects that.
I don't know that I would

679
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,000
necessarily buy a bottle of
this, but I think I would

680
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,720
definitely recommend trying a
pour.

681
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Yeah, I would say split a
bottle.

682
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,840
Buy a pour.
I wouldn't necessarily commit to

683
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,920
a bottle right off the bat.
What do you mean right off the

684
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,960
bat?
Like, maybe it'll grow on you

685
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,040
and then you want to buy a
bottle.

686
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,280
Yeah.
Like, you know, like the first

687
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,040
thing I'm going to do with 1792
single barrel, buy an entire

688
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,120
bottle that's going to do that.
I'm going to, I'm going to give

689
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,000
it a little, you know, give it a
little dry run first.

690
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,560
I like it, all right.
And you know, it kind of goes

691
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,160
with our movie for the day,
because we've already been

692
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,240
saying that this movie felt like
a dry run for North by

693
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,960
Northwest.
It sure did.

694
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,920
So what do you say we get back
into talking about the 39 steps?

695
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,520
Let's get to it, Bob.
All right, everybody.

696
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,280
That was 1792 Single barrel a
whiskey that I can't really

697
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,880
think of much more to say about
Bob.

698
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,080
No, it was, it was there.
It was solid.

699
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,160
Very pleasant whiskey.
And I'll say this, go ahead, a

700
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,920
whiskey that has out shown its
previous entries.

701
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Going to say by comparison this,
this is stellar.

702
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,480
Yeah, yeah.
No, the this is redeemed the

703
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,040
1792 brand for me just a little
bit.

704
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,600
But only this one barrel that
we've tried, Yeah, yeah, who

705
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,960
knows?
All the other barrels might be

706
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,400
just complete.
I'll let down.

707
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,280
All right, man.
Well, we have.

708
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,960
We've been kicking the can down
the road a little too long here.

709
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,720
I want to see if I can get above
500 guaranteed on the year 1.

710
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,360
The other thing is we know for a
fact that this is Robert

711
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,400
Doughnut's favorite segment of
our show.

712
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,280
I like that you call him
Doughnut, Robert.

713
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,040
Doughnut.
Doughnut.

714
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,320
Doughnut.
His middle.

715
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,320
Name is Hertz.
Don't act.

716
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:37,560
Oh, man.
All right, let's get into our

717
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,520
segment. 2 Facts and A
Falsehood.

718
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:46,160
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball. 2 All right and what

719
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,440
is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

720
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400
and a Falsehood is the part of
the podcast where Brad presents

721
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,280
three items to me as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

722
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,960
which is a complete lie, and
it's my job to determine which

723
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:07,760
that is Brad.
I'm sitting at, what, 15 and 13

724
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,040
right now on the season?
No, sorry.

725
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,880
I'm sitting at 16 and 14 on the
season right now.

726
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,040
You sure are.
It is.

727
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,000
It's up to you, man.
We'll see what you do.

728
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:24,560
I'm guaranteed to split with
you, but you could secure a loss

729
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,160
for yourself today if you're not
careful.

730
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,080
That's an interesting way of
phrasing that, Bob.

731
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,080
You could clinch a losing
season.

732
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,440
I could that that's true.
I'm I I am familiar with that

733
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,280
place, Bob.
Yeah, I know, right?

734
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,280
As fans of Cleveland sports, we.
I know.

735
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560
Exactly.
Where I'm at right now, the

736
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,240
magic number is always
constantly hanging over our

737
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:48,840
heads.
Come.

738
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,960
I'm at the point where I was
going to say I'm at the point

739
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,720
where we can't consider the
season entire loss, but I'm

740
00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,920
definitely not getting a good
enough draft pick to change next

741
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:03,520
year.
I know I'm quite familiar.

742
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,280
All right, man, hit me with your
two facts and a falsehood.

743
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,320
Fact number one, before filming
the scene where Hannah and

744
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,840
Pamela run through the
countryside, Alfred Hitchcock

745
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,040
handcuffed them together and
pretended for several hours to

746
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,680
have lost the key in order to
put them in the right frame of

747
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,840
mind for such a situation.
Fact #2, Robert.

748
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,520
See, now you've got me in my
head.

749
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Don't.
Is that it?

750
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:39,080
I think he just said it did not.
Did not fact #2 Robert did not

751
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,640
suffered from frequent sinus
infections and was forced to put

752
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:47,120
push back his speech scene many
times due to his nasally sound

753
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,760
and lack of vocal power.
Fact #3 The 62 imported sheep.

754
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,760
Upon arriving at the soundstage,
immediately started eating the

755
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,080
bushes that had been brought
with them.

756
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,800
The infuriated crew had to
replace the plants with ones

757
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,800
hastily bought from a local
nursery.

758
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,280
OK, I have no idea.
I'm.

759
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,920
I'm going to be honest with you.
You have leaned so far into the

760
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,360
like, let let's get the most
boring sounding ones that I kind

761
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,440
of don't even care what the
falsehood is at this point.

762
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,960
Like none of these facts are
even that cool to me.

763
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,000
He picked the lame ones, man.
Thank you, Bob.

764
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,160
I I appreciate that.
Good thing I'm not worried about

765
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,320
what you think of the lame, the
lameness or awesomeness of my

766
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,320
facts.
Oh, believe me, I am aware that

767
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,240
you don't.
Care what I think?

768
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:39,880
Concerned with with winning?
I think #2 sounds kind of true

769
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,920
and I could see him being sick
through the production.

770
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,320
It seemed like a very intense
and grueling production at parts

771
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,680
#3 also sounds pretty funny.
That sounds like something that

772
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,440
could have happened.
No, no, no, Bob, it's not funny.

773
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,160
It's it's boring and troll.
And I mean you.

774
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,760
Know, it's just a silly fact.
It's like if you're at a party

775
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,280
and you're trading stories with
somebody, it's like the seventh

776
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,800
story you would share.
You're like, Oh yeah, one time I

777
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,560
was on a movie and the sheep ate
all the bushes.

778
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:09,280
You know, cool.
It's not unfunny.

779
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,440
It's just, you know, you don't
lead with that one.

780
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,720
Number one is the one that I'm
kind of gravitating toward as a

781
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:20,160
possible falsehood.
I know Hitchcock had a playful

782
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,920
side.
I it's hard for me to think that

783
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,240
he would delay production for
hours and hours, like just to

784
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,680
get them in the right frame of
mind.

785
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,880
But who knows, maybe he did.
But just to, you know, not delay

786
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,360
the inevitable here, I'm going
to just go ahead and say #1 is

787
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,720
the falsehood, and that's my
final answer.

788
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,880
Bob, my 500 season is still in
the running.

789
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,200
You are you are incorrect.
You almost you almost

790
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,640
contradicted yourself there.
I know, I almost said correct.

791
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,880
You're incorrect Bob.
You suck at this game.

792
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,520
True.
Truly true.

793
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,680
I mean, when we first
implemented this game, I

794
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,280
dominated that season, whatever
it was, and you have very

795
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,480
rapidly met me on the talent
level here, Brad.

796
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,080
I've come a long way.
OK, So what was the falsehood?

797
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,400
Fact number two?
Was the falsehood the sinuses?

798
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,480
OK, completely false.
Wow.

799
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,080
But the sheep?
The sheep?

800
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,720
Sheep.
A true story.

801
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:21,760
See, listen, you you gave me
crap when I said that it was

802
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,000
like the seventh story you share
at a party, but it was the 3rd

803
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,120
fact you shared.
Like it wasn't even good enough

804
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:33,640
for you to share first.
It's a It's a great fact, man.

805
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,720
All right, man, let's get back
into talking about this movie a

806
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,000
little bit.
And you know, I guess I just

807
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,480
kind of have one remaining
question for you, Brad.

808
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,360
It doesn't sound like you're
totally negative on this film,

809
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,360
and yet, yeah, the first half of
this episode would indicate

810
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,320
otherwise.
The two out of 10.

811
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,920
We've seen enough Alfred
Hitchcock Movies Now that I

812
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,320
think, whatever the word
Hitchcockian might mean to you,

813
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,480
you probably have a good sense
of what that is now.

814
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
What a word.
Great word.

815
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,440
You know, like, I just.
I want to be famous enough

816
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,760
someday that, like, Bookian is a
thing.

817
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,360
Yeah.
Yeah, Bookish GS.

818
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,720
Yeah.
Yeah, GS.

819
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,480
I like that one.
OK, so I'm going to ask you, is

820
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,920
this movie, quote UN quote
Hitchcockian to you?

821
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,440
And what does that term mean to
you at this point?

822
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,240
Like what is the hallmarks of a
of an Alfred Hitchcock movie?

823
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,560
See, I I feel like I'm, I'd have
to think about that more to come

824
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,520
up with something that's not,
you know, kind of trite like.

825
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,000
At the end of the day, there's
women in the movie that show

826
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,880
their legs.
Like, you know what I mean?

827
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,080
Like, he has a very clear shot
of her, like taking her

828
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,920
stockings off.
And you know what I mean?

829
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,960
So even in the 30s, Hitchcock
was a horny dude.

830
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,760
Very much so, Yep.
You know, there's the the

831
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,400
classic blonde.
There's the mystery thriller

832
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,840
twist and turn.
I don't know if I would say I

833
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,960
would, I would consider
Hitchcock a big reveal guy.

834
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,840
You know what I mean?
Like a Shyamalan sure is the

835
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:16,800
twist, but this one has that and
I I think I I enjoyed that

836
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,960
element of it.
I think that's the

837
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,520
cinematography of the film, the
way he shot the movie.

838
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,640
I think that he does a really
great job of using lots and lots

839
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,880
of either close up shots.
Or like, really wide.

840
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:40,320
You know, the knot is like a
tiny speck on a on a ridgeline.

841
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,520
That was such a good shot, man.
Such a good shot because there's

842
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,960
guys in the foreground going
there he is and pointing out.

843
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,640
Oh, it's so good.
And they're like the way they're

844
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,480
they're what's the word like
highlighted by the the light of

845
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,080
the sky and it's just so good.
So I think that like if I'm to

846
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,720
point to any cinematography,
it's the fact that he he is

847
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:04,320
great.
He has just really brilliant,

848
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,400
anxious close-ups and really
beautiful wide establishing

849
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,880
shots and I I think he kind of
lives in those two realms a lot

850
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,760
in his movies.
So yeah, I I would call this

851
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,040
Hitchcockian.
Yeah, for me, I think, you know,

852
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,240
I was actually just watching a
Hitchcock movie last night that

853
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,960
I'd never seen before and it
was, spoiler alert, not one of

854
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,760
his best.
And and it's partially because

855
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,400
it didn't do the things that I
associate with the really good

856
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,520
Hitchcock movies and it's
everything you've said.

857
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,360
But for me, it's also, it's the
sense of pacing and it's knowing

858
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,200
like when to stop the jokes and
when to just completely tip into

859
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,240
the thrills.
Even North by Northwest, as like

860
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,680
as cool and tongue in cheek as
that movie is, and it's always

861
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,920
kind of winking and it's a
little bit wry.

862
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,120
You know, when, when they're
getting chased across the the

863
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,800
rush, Mount Rushmore at the end
of the movie.

864
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,880
Like we're not cracking jokes at
that moment, You know what I

865
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,440
mean?
It's it's suspenseful enough

866
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,080
that he knows when to stop doing
that.

867
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,040
So it's that.
And then it it's coupled with

868
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,280
the sort of playfulness that
Hitchcock has, whether it is

869
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,560
like what you were talking
about.

870
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,760
Like the hints at sex and you
know, implicating the audience

871
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,800
and being horny and voyeurs just
like he is.

872
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,160
You know like the the whole
movie of Rear Window is you like

873
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,720
doing this and you can't explain
why, but we're all watching this

874
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:31,440
guy across the way and.
Bob, I was on Amazon the other

875
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:36,160
day and there is a Rear Window
Board game.

876
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,720
Oh yeah, I was.
I like was looking through board

877
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:43,760
game sales and I was like, why
is there and Alfred Hitchcock

878
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,280
presents Rear Window.
Colon The board Game You get,

879
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,680
You get the game, and it's just
a box with binoculars.

880
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,200
And you?
You're just asked to spy on your

881
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,520
own neighbors.
That's incredible.

882
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,320
That's.
But yeah, I think by all the

883
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,160
criteria that we've we've set
forth here, I do think this

884
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,000
movie is Hitchcocky and I think
it's playful.

885
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,480
I think it's got a sense of
humor.

886
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,520
It really ratchets up the
tension for me in those those

887
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,080
final moments.
I think the chase element is

888
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,560
really reminiscent of what he
does later on with North by

889
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Northwest.
So yeah, like, it might not be a

890
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,760
pure exercise in suspense or
horror, but it's definitely got

891
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,200
all the hallmarks of a really
good Hitchcock movie.

892
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,080
Do you think that we should come
up with like a rating scale for

893
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,800
how much a movie is like a
Hitchcock film?

894
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,840
Like if it's an 8 to 10, like a
Hitchcock film, it's Hitchcock,

895
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Ian, You know, 6 to 8 is
Hitchcock esque there.

896
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,560
There's a whole thing we could
do here. 4/4 to five is just

897
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,080
Hitchcock adjacent.
Yeah, O'Day Hitchcock.

898
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,040
The Lacroix of Hitchcock.
All right man.

899
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,480
I think it is time for us to get
to our final segment of the day,

900
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,640
which we call, Let's make it a
double.

901
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,120
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks for listening

902
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,160
to the film and whiskey show.
Let's favor another film with

903
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,560
this one, even if it's
struggling.

904
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,160
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

905
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,080
Let's make it a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

906
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,200
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

907
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,400
feature.
Brad, I'm going to be very

908
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,440
boring and very brief here.
I I think the very obvious

909
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,200
choice is North by Northwest,
but not just because it is a

910
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,800
chase movie, but it is an Alfred
Hitchcock chase movie.

911
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,880
It's got, you know, it's got the
blonde.

912
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,480
It's got everything you could
want in a Hitchcock movie.

913
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,560
There's a couple other kind of
chase oriented movies that he

914
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,400
made throughout his career.
There's a good one called

915
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Saboteur, but guess what?
It's not as good as North by

916
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Northwest.
So you should go watch North by

917
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Northwest alongside the 39 Steps
and have just a really fun night

918
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,120
at the movies.
Yeah, I was going to say don't

919
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,680
let my booing dissuade anyone
from watching North by

920
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,600
Northwest.
It's an incredible film.

921
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,040
My booing is just that Bob is
boring and basic.

922
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,400
Oh yeah.
I am going to pick a movie that

923
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,360
is nowhere near as good as North
by Northwest.

924
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,240
But let's be let's be very
clear.

925
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Important caveat.
Important caveat Honestly, I

926
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,320
think that the film I'm going to
pick is actually a really good,

927
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:19,000
modern example of the level of
filmmaking that I think 39 Steps

928
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,560
is at.
It's a movie that's not great,

929
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,800
but I had a lot of fun with the
first time I watched it.

930
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,160
I'm going with my boy Tommy
Cruise night and day.

931
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,160
I have never seen that movie.
You've never seen Night and Day?

932
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,520
No, because it was it was one of
those ones that when it came

933
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,560
out, all the reviews were like 2
1/2 stars out of four.

934
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,560
You know what I mean?
Like, it wasn't, like, enough to

935
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,200
get me to actually pick it up at
Blockbuster or whatever.

936
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,920
And and and Bob, they were all
right.

937
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,920
Like, like, like, it's cheesy.
It's funny.

938
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,280
There's so there's some really
good moments.

939
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,520
I I think what makes that movie
work for me is that you can tell

940
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,480
it's Tom Cruise making a movie
that's kind of making fun of the

941
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,200
Mission Impossible movies.
Like like if you read A Layer

942
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Deep and that's just amusing to
me because Tom takes it so

943
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,360
seriously but he's also like
joking about it throughout.

944
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,680
I it's a fun movie.
It I would put it along the

945
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,520
lines of like a Jack Reacher
type of Tom Cruise movie.

946
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,080
Got it.
Yep.

947
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,880
You know it's fun, it's good.
It's him doing his thing but in

948
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,280
a different universe.
Cameron Diaz is is pretty funny

949
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,440
in it.
She's she's all right.

950
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,720
She's not my favorite actress.
But I think that story wise and

951
00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:39,800
just production value wise, I'm
like yeah, go watch night and

952
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,360
day.
That would be a fun watch with

953
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,840
with the 39 steps.
I love a good 2 1/2 star movie

954
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,440
sometimes because it's like it's
not bad and I wouldn't even call

955
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,320
it like mediocre because
mediocre to me is like I can't

956
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,280
tell if I want my time back or
not.

957
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,680
Like it is so perfectly in the
middle, you know?

958
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,960
And 2 1/2 is like, all right,
that was a severely flawed movie

959
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,800
and I still don't feel like I
wasted that time.

960
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,320
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's one of those films

961
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,320
that if it if it was like what's
it if it was like Jeremy Renner

962
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,280
in the lead instead of Tom
Cruise.

963
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,880
It would be like a 4.9 on IMDb,
but because Tom is so

964
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,800
charismatic I I just looked it's
a 6.3 on IMDb.

965
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,040
That's that's a perfect 2 1/2
star movie.

966
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,880
Yeah, and it's because Tom is
just freaking Tom Cruise.

967
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,920
All right, so there you go.
We've got a 10 out of 10 movie

968
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,920
in North by Northwest and a 6.3
out of 10 movie in night and

969
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,360
day.
Brad, hopefully this movie The

970
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,480
39 Steps is a little bit higher
than 6.3 in your estimation.

971
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,840
I'm really interested to hear
where you fell out on where you

972
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,240
fell out, where he fell on this
one because it seemed negative

973
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:53,720
at 1st and now it seems pretty
positive.

974
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,080
So do you want to hold your
cards back a little bit, or do

975
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,080
you want to spoil it now?
I'll let you go first, Bob.

976
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,960
I'm going to give it a nine out
of 10.

977
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,760
The first time I saw it, I was
like, wow, this might be

978
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,400
Hitchcock's earliest 10.
This movie works like

979
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,920
gangbusters, and this time
around, like, it has its flaws.

980
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,800
And I think part of the flaws
are just frankly, it is 90 years

981
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:21,200
old almost and as fast as it
moves for a for a movie from

982
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,440
1935, it is still a movie from
1935.

983
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,560
And there are just some editing
techniques and things that we've

984
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,040
developed that help move films
along a little better than this.

985
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,120
I think that there are some
flaws in the script.

986
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,320
There are some some huge leaps
in logic.

987
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,120
You kind of just have to accept
where it's going.

988
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,520
But ultimately, I had a freaking
blast watching this movie.

989
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,080
And it's a nine out of 10 for
me.

990
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,400
Yeah, I I thought that this was
a perfect since we already sent

991
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,160
the time establishing what this
is.

992
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:58,120
It's a perfect 2 1/2 movie.
I'm going to, I'm going to be at

993
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,760
a 7.5.
That's a three out of four.

994
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,880
I'm fine.
I'm at a 7 out of 10.

995
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Did I just convince you to lower
your score just based on?

996
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,640
You 100% did snark.
Snark does not get you anywhere

997
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,040
my friend.
I was wavering between A7 and A7

998
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,520
and a half and you pushed me
down.

999
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,560
This is a 7 out of 10 movie.
It's solid.

1000
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,080
It it's fine.
I enjoyed it.

1001
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,400
The fact that it was an hour and
26 minutes is very helpful.

1002
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,400
It's it's a fun one.
Go like go watch it on IMDb.

1003
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,640
It's got a 7.6.
Honestly, any movie that is

1004
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,520
almost 90 years old and has a
7.6 I feel like is a pretty damn

1005
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,880
good movie.
Like the fact that people watch

1006
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:50,800
this movie in 2023, knowing the
distance that we are from the

1007
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,880
time this movie was released.
And then still like a 7-8, maybe

1008
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,040
a nine like that.
Yeah, that's pretty, pretty

1009
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,680
strong endorsement for this
film.

1010
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,080
So we're coming out to an 8 out
of 10, which is pretty well in

1011
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,440
line with the 7.6 on IMDb.
But I'd like to know what you

1012
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,400
think.
Have you seen the 39 Steps has?

1013
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,400
Have you persevered throughout
Brad's complaints and have we

1014
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,800
convinced you to go watch it
now?

1015
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,080
You can let us know on all of
our social media accounts,

1016
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,720
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
Tiktok or YouTube at Film

1017
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:25,520
Whiskey.
Or if you really love what we're

1018
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,320
doing here.
If you've been a fan of the

1019
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,400
podcast for a while, or you've
listened to this episode and

1020
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,240
you're like man, movie from
1935, I'm convinced.

1021
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,760
You can give money to our
podcast the this is not free to

1022
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,080
do.
We do it out of the love of our

1023
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,000
hearts for you guys and the fact
that we love, you know, watching

1024
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,240
movies and drinking whiskey.
But if you wanted to, there's

1025
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,920
three Patreon tears, there's $3
a month, $5 a month, $7.00 a

1026
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,360
month.
All of which gets you a bevy of

1027
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,880
extra bonus content and more
access to us, Bob and Brad, the

1028
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:01,120
guys you want to hang out with.
So get on there.

1029
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,680
Go to patreon.com/filmwhiskey
man, when you started the pitch

1030
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,160
for the Patreon and you were
like, you can give us money, I

1031
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,840
was like, oh, this is not going
to be effective.

1032
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,160
But then you used the word bevy
and you completely redeemed

1033
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:15,880
yourself.
Brad.

1034
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,400
Yeah, I appreciate it, man.
It's a dumb and Dumber moment,

1035
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,680
if I've ever seen it.
All right.

1036
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,880
Next week we are rounding out
season seven, our 32nd movie of

1037
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,320
the year.
We're going to be joined by film

1038
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,600
critic Daniel Zwyo to talk about
one of Hitchcock's best the

1039
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,440
1950s suspense classic Dial M
for Murder.

1040
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,240
So we'll see you next week for
that.

1041
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,440
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G and we'll see you

1042
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:41,960
next time.