Stalag 17 / Benchmark Full Proof Bourbon

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In 1953, director, Billy Wilder,
and star William Holden, gave

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the world a slapstick drama
about one man's redemption in

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the heart of a World War Two.
Prisoner camp in 2023.

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We bid a fond farewell to a
flight of five.

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Bourbons, the film is Stalag 17,
the whiskey is Benchmark

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foolproof and more view them
both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.
And this week, we are looking at

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Billy Wilder's 1953 film, Stalag
17, Stalag strogg.

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Now, Brad, I will say right up
front, I fully expect that if we

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were to list out the most seen
to least seen films of season 7

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by the general population.
This has got to be close to the

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bottom.
It's not that it's necessarily

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an unpopular movie, but it is.
Let's Be Frank here. 70 years

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old, and it is not one of Billy
Wilder's, top four, or five most

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remembered movies.
Yeah, I'm going to describe to

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you how old this movie is.
You can watch it for free on

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Pluto TV.
You sure can and onto and on to

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be.
So if that tells you how popular

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the It's I don't understand,
like I actually did watch this

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partially on to be and the
prints that they are using is so

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crappy and so old.
And like it was, it was both

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pixelated and a bad print of the
movie to the point where I

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pulled off my shelf, the Stalag
17 DVD that I have.

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If you know anything about DVDs,
DVDs are they're encoded at 480p

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and I put it in my DVD player
and I was like, wow, this is a A

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major Improvement in picture of
her.

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Yeah.
Over what was on to be.

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So I went back and forth.
There's actually a free

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recording.
I don't know if like I think

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Paramount produce this picture.
I don't know if they just

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haven't felt like copyright
striking it but the entire movie

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is just on YouTube.
Oh, there you go.

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Just end it and it's not like
somebody like some company, did

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it?
It's just some dude uploaded it

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like eight years ago and it's
also in like 480p.

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So, there you go, folks.
Our highest recommendation for

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the ideal conditions, watch
Stalag 17, as God, intended on

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to be, or on some guys YouTube
stream.

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Yeah.
Where's where's Scorsese?

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Or the Criterion Collection,
right?

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Aren't they?
The funny thing is, this movie

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is available on Blu-ray and it
has like Stellar reviews.

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So I'm imagining that looks
really good if you get it there

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but you know or you could go the
free route and you can watch the

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year olds worst version of this
on to be All right, you're new

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to the field, whiskey podcast.
This is exactly what you can.

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This mix is what we talked
about, folks.

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These are the jokes.
So I'm thinking about Stalag 17,

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and I think, to be fair and to
be Frank, this is the one that I

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needed a third movie by Billy
Wilder to put in here.

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And like, most directors, Billy
Wilder has five six, seven

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movies that are like, most
people would recognize them by

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name and then you get into Okay.
There's probably like the next

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tear down and when people like
Spielberg, you probably don't

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hit that.
Quite as early Hitchcock, you

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probably don't hit that quite as
early, but with Billy Wilder, I

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was really torn because he has a
few other movies.

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There is a movie that came out
in 51 called Ace in the Hole

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which was a huge flop.
I believe upon release but has

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been reclaimed and is not like
really popular with Criterion

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Bros.
He has a movie in the late 50s,

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witness for the prosecution,
which gets nominated for Best

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Picture.
Here's movie in.

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The mid-40s called The Lost
weekend is Weekend.

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At Bernie's the sequel.
It is suika.

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Is you actually made that joke
like earlier in the season?

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I think you forgot that you made
that joke already.

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No, it didn't work the first
time and it didn't work.

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Now, Brad all that to say.
I went with Stalag 17 because

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after Sunset Boulevard, I was
like, you know what, we need a

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palate cleanser here and this
movie for being very tense and

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very dramatic at Parts.
It's also a lot of fun.

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Yeah, 100%.
I was saying to you before.

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We got on that, there's, there's
two characters in this film

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named animal and Shapiro and
they, they feel like they are

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straight out of a Three Stooges
like silent era slapstick

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comedy.
And they're just hanging out in

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the middle of this prisoner of
war camp where they're trying to

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find, you know, this informant
and it's it just doesn't fit.

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Get it fits perfectly and I
loved it.

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So if we can go back through the
annals of film and whiskey here,

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I think this is our third
prisoner of war movie after the

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Great Escape and Bridge on the
River Kwai.

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I don't think we've done anymore
besides that.

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And this will be really wants to
toe the line between the two in.

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A lot of ways.
I think it's it's got, well, I

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think it's closest to the Great
Escape, and it's kind of, not

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fair to this movie, to compare
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the Great Escape Happens 10
years after this movie.

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And I think as we discussed this
movie today Brad, it's really

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important that we keep in mind
that this is one of the first

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prisoner of war films to come
out after WWII and they kind of

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tip you off to that in the
opening narration where the

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narrator basically says, hey I'm
sick of watching movies that

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didn't look like my experience
of the war at all.

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We were in a prisoner of war
camp and then it shows you what

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the prisoner of war camp looks
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And so even though I don't
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effective as the Escape or as
Bridge on the River Kwai it is

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really important to note that
this is one of the first times

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somebody dared to show something
like this on screen.

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Yeah.
And it's a good choice because I

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feel like, you know, now like I
looked up you know WWII

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prisoners of war movies.
There's like over 80 of them Bob

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yeah it's like a massive amount
and I think that like prisoner

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of war movies It's just a it's a
feasting ground for interesting

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character development under high
pressure situations paired with

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lots of deception and like
everybody knows the stakes,

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everybody.
It honestly kind of reminds me

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of when Patrick H Willems talked
about baseball movies and how

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everybody knows the geography
and rules of a baseball game.

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Like, it's almost the same
thing, like, as Soon, as you

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know, it's a prisoner of war
movie, you know, the rules, you

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know that the prisoners are
going to try to deceive the

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guards.
They're going to try to escape

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in some way or, or ruin the
guards lives in some way and the

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drama that plays out from there
has an established set of rules

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and I think that's what makes
prisoner of war movies, so

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attractive.
Yeah, I totally agree man and I

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think that it's time for us to
get into talking about this

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movie in particular again we'll
put it in the context of, you

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know all the other prisoner of
war.

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Movies.
But when it comes to Stalag 17,

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I know for a darn fact that this
was your first time seeing it.

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Brad.
Don't try to my first time first

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I'm hearing of it.
Yeah, there you go.

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I mean, it is, it doesn't really
have a title that rolls off the

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tongue, even though I have to
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Like once you understand from
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movie, what the word Stalag
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Stalag 17 is a pretty badass
name for a movie, like it just

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sounds cool 100%.
Yeah, it's a, it's a cool title

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and it's I think it's an
interesting.

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Addition into the world of Billy
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It feels so much different than
his traditional movies that

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we've watched from him.
Yep, that I'm really glad that

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you picked it as the third movie
here.

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Yeah, I am too.
And I was really leaning towards

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Ace in the Hole for this movie,
but it has that that same really

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mean-spirited cynicism that
Sunset Boulevard did.

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And I think Wilder kind of
pressed the reset button on

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himself a little bit before he
made Stalag 17.

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And we'll see this happen again
next week.

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When we make the turn from this
movie into the film that he

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makes a year later Sabrina.
So I'm excited to get kind of

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the full picture of Wilders
versatility as a director and as

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a writer throughout these three
movies, but that means that it

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is time for America's favorite
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Brad explains rats gonna give us
the movie plots with only 60

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seconds ticking on the clock.
So let's go ahead and do you

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take with this little segment
that we call Brad explains?

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Yeah.
Yes, Brad explains the part of

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the podcast, where Brad breaks
down the movie that he has just

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seen often for the first time.
As we know this was Brad's first

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time seeing Stalag 17 Brad.
You have one minute on the clock

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to explain the plot of this
movie, to our listeners.

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In the most spoiler, filled
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And I have to say, we don't
always give spoiler warnings

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beyond what I just said.
But this movie hinges on finding

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out the identity of someone who
is under And so if you have even

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the smallest bit of interest in
seeing this movie, I would

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recommend watching the movie
coming back after you finish it

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to hear our take on it because
we're going to spoil the twist

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right now.
Yeah.

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And I was going to say like this
movie is two hours on the dot.

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It's not too long.
Nope.

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And it's honestly a lot of fun.
So I if you likes Bob said, you

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have any inclination to go,
watch it, go watch it, it's free

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on to be high-definition doopy.
So go check it out.

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All right man you have a minute
on the clock and go Stalag 17 is

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a prisoner of war movie about
some American are prisoners in a

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German prisoner of war camp at
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Two Americans are killed while
trying to escape from the camp

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and it helps establish.
The fact that in this one

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Barracks, there is an informant
telling the Germans what's going

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on in the barracks.
The first person suspected and

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the person suspected throughout
most of the movie is William.

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Holden's character Sefton, who
is kind of a black market Savant

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and he's able to wheel and deal
his way into being the king of

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the market.
If you will, there are different

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slapstick.
Things that happen with too kind

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of Side characters animal and
capiro thing takes seconds.

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And it turns out Out.
I'm not even going to spoil it.

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Bob just watch the daggone
movie.

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Yeah, baby.
It's not Sefton.

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There you go. 17.
How you figure out, who the

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informant in the barracks?
He is?

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Yeah.
Will he succeed question mark

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who's to say, who who is to say?
All right, so that's the setup

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for Stalag 17.
Brad.

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We're going to be comparing this
movie a lot to The Great Escape.

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I just know that it's going to
happen but it's probably the

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only other movie that I can
really think of.

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And I say movie because when it
comes, To TV.

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I think something like Hogan's
Heroes.

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Is pretty, pretty much like
directly copied from Stalag 17.

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The, the German prisoner, yes,
like the counter bigard.

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What?
Yeah, it's like the same guy.

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No, nothing.
It's the same guy, it's the same

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character.
But in terms of movies, I think

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that this is obviously most
closely related to The Great

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Escape, especially since in the
Great Escape you have these

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really taught, really The
dramatic Escape sequences but

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you also have them balanced out
with like sequences of guys

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getting really drunk and doing
silly things and toying with the

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Germans, but not getting shot
for it.

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Because the Germans are just
like, oh, you.

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So and so's.
And you have that in this movie

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too, and it's not necessarily
believable, but it makes for a

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really fun movie and even if you
don't get it, I don't know how

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many fun poww movies there are
and those are really the only

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two I can think of as a you
don't get Stephen.

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In riding away on a motorcycle
either, you sure don't.

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And that's the that's that's a
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games.
Favor also, anytime we talk

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about the Great Escape, I will
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It's just got the most catchy
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I feel like we are already kind
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good as the Great Escape, but I
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and the Prototype.
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me, the thing that that captured
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movie was that the opening
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Oh gosh, is incredible.
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the whole movie, honestly?
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The tension is extraordinarily
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Like I said, we already know the
stakes that are at hand.

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We know the geography of the
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So when Wilder just plops you
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escape sequence, you're on the
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start.
Then you never come back down

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because you keep wondering,
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predictable about who it might
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This one.
Genuinely keeps you guessing?

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I like I did not guess who it
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microcosm for the whole movie
because the narrator of this

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movie, is just a guy in the
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Holden.
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Reminds me of in 12, Angry Men,
like the little puny squirrel

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you guy.
He reminds me exactly of that

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guy.
I think the the narrator is

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Cookie, right?
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so I'm not entirely sure like
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right at the start but I can't
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right now but all that to say he
does not have the most like you

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know, seductive audio voice.
Yeah, just sounds.

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And then we went to the prisoner
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It seemed like the whole movies.
It's like your seven-year-old,

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trying to tell a story.
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But I guess what I'm trying to
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microcosm for the movie because
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setting up the world of the
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of like it's going to be a
comedy and a little bit slap

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sticky.
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not so easy for us but we get by
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plopped into the barracks and
it's like we are mid.

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Escape plan right now and it is
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but the Germans are there
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And I think the brutality of
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and how cold and how clinical it
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that for movie that came out in
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these guys pop up out of their
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We made it in Camera pans over
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and you register like oh man,
they're going to get caught and

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then boom, like they're getting
machine gun to death and it is

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like also the fact that the
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the hole with like you know, a
rifle or something guns, they

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set up an entire machine gun
nests and there's like a guy

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feeding the bullets in it.
Like, it looks like it looks

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like the D-Day set up from
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Exactly.
Like, for these two, dudes

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popping out of a hole with
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gunshot with like any aircraft
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All right, so anyway, I guess
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the way the movie starts because
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that I think this movie achieves
of, finding the the comedy and

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the lighter moments.
But then knowing when to like,

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cut it out and just get really
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Mmm.
Yeah, I think that Wilder

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strikes a perfect balance
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of want to talk about some of
the Vince's, because the only

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place I think the balance is
lacking is in the fact that

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certain characters are always
serious and certain characters

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are always fun.
Yep, yep.

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And I don't know if that's
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It's something that.
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definitely felt a little bit
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two keys playing off tone from
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Yes.
And it felt like in the world of

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the movie, even when things get
very serious Yes those comedic

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performers are still stuck in
whatever World they've created

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for themselves where they're
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Yeah for like you know I just
don't buy them as serious now

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because you've had them be
comedic in 90% of every other

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scenario in this movie.
So yeah, I totally agree, man.

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But if we're talking
performances, we have to start

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at the top with William Holden.
This is the movie that wins.

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William Holden the best actor,
Oscar, he thinks when he wins

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it, that it almost a was
undeserved, but Thought that

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somebody from the movie, From
Here, to Eternity, should have

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won it instead of him and he
thought it was a makeup from him

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not winning in 1950 from Sunset
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And I think the place to start
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Holden, is to compare this
character and the roll directly

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to Sunset Boulevard.
Last week, I said that one of

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the things I didn't like about
the character of Joe Gillis is

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that he is a piece of shit, but
also that he doesn't have the

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sort of self-deprecating, you
know.

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No, I'm an ask but I'm kind of
charming about it that I think a

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character, you know, somebody
like a Clooney could have

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brought to that role.
He has that here and it's

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hilarious because even in the
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he's doing that kind of Rye
little grin and he's saying like

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these horrible things and
everyone hates him and he's just

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like I don't care like I'm gonna
let it roll off my back and I'm

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like man if only Wilder had let
Holden bring this energy into

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Sunset Boulevard, I think it
would have been proved that

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character and it works perfectly
here.

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Yeah, I think what makes it work
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Bob is the fact that in our
subconscious we know that

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Holden's character in Sunset
Boulevard has a choice about

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being at that Mansion like they
can play it up all they want

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that he's stuck there but he
could leave at any time.

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He could pick up and go back to
Dayton which he tries to do at

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the end of the film and he could
leave whenever he wanted to.

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Whereas in a prisoner ER of War
Camp you know that he doesn't

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have a choice like he is stuck
there.

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And yeah he could try to help
escape and all that.

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But you know, it's more
understandable of him trying to

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make the best of a really crappy
situation than it is in Sunset

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Boulevard and I think that just
makes him a little more

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sympathetic as a figure.
The funny thing ultimately I

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guess the irony is as much as I
hate the character of Joe

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Gillis.
I think that he is a complex

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enough figure that I See William
Holden winning an Oscar for that

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movie and it being justified,
whereas this character Sefton

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he's barely in the movie until
the last 15 minutes.

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Like he's in and out a little
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Like I don't know the one hour
mark that the narrator's like oh

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yeah I should tell you a little
bit more about this guy Sefton

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and you forget that he's
supposed to be the star of the

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movie and he really does take
over in the last 20 minutes of

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the movie, and it has this great
kind of Monologue towards the

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end.
But even as I found out that he

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wins the Oscar, for this movie,
I'm like, is this a leading man

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performance?
Like, I guess it's, the lead

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performance of the movie, but
this feels so much more like an

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ensemble picture than one that
has even a central figure in it.

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Yeah, I'm with you 100% knowing
that he won the Oscar and this

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It almost felt like watching
Last of the Mohicans for me,

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where I thought that Daniel Day
Lewis won the Oscar for that

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performance.
And so, I was like waiting for

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him to be awesome and I never
felt like he was, whereas in

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this one I was like, oh, I know
that he want to perform one it

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for this performance and so I
kind of was just like once again

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waiting for him to be awesome
and was like, oh, like he's

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good, it's a solid, B b-plus
character and performance.

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I just don't know if it's
anything that deserves an Oscar.

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Yeah.
Like honestly, if anything,

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Richard Erdman of the television
show Community Fame.

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He, I thought he was incredible
as hafidh sergeant Hoffman.

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Hmm, I really liked his
performance.

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He had a a sincerity and
earnestness about him.

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That felt just really Charming.
Yeah.

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There's a couple people in this
Ensemble that I thought really

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stood out to there's a guy named
Neville brand.

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His character's name is Duke.
He's the guy with the beard that

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is like, mama always suspicious
of William Holden, aye.

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Yeah.
It was excellent in that role

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because he doesn't really do
much except for beat suspicious

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the whole movie, but he plays it
really, really well.

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There is one other person from
this movie, that gets nominated

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for an Oscar for best supporting
actor.

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And that is Robert Strauss, who
plays animal.

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Now, we've talked about him a
little bit to this point, but

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animal is for the most part, the
comic relief of the movie and I

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want to pinpoint One Moment In
the movie that I wish Wilder had

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milked just a little more and
it's toward the end of the

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movie.
And they're having this kind of,

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I don't know.
Dance party in their barracks

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and half.
The guys are dressed up as women

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or are playing the women in, you
know, their dance Pairs and

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animal has been in love with
Betty, Grable the whole movie

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and he sees one of his one of
his fellow soldiers, dressed up

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like a woman and is convinced in
his kind of delirium that it is

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Betty Grable Able and he starts
dancing with her and then it

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turns out to be by delirium, you
mean drunken stupor?

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You know?
Yeah, it turns out to be Shapiro

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who reveals himself and says hey
man I'm it's me your buddy and

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there's this really kind of sad
and touching moment where you

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realize like he's heartbroken
it's not it's not played for

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Laughs, he's like legitimately
crushed and you feel for him.

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And the problem that I have with
that moment is that I think

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Wilder in some of his later It's
like the apartment, he can find

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the tragedy in the comedy a
little bit better and I think in

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this movie, it's still trying to
be played for a laugh when it is

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actually kind of crushing.
And I wish that he had just

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leaned into that the tragedy of
that moment just a little bit

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more.
I think that's kind of again for

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me, that's like emblematic of
the whole movie where it works,

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but I think it could have worked
just a little bit better.

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Yeah, and maybe a slightly more
mature way.

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Wilder could pull that off.
I do think that Shapiro and the

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animal are a really fun Duo that
that kind of keep the movie

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driving forward, as I was
watching.

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You said his name was Richard
Strauss, Robert stress, Robert

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Strauss playing playing the
animal.

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He reminded me of a mixture of,
like, Brad Garrett from

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Everybody, Loves Raymond, and
John Belushi.

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Oh nice.
Yeah.

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Just have like the sort of
what's the the kind waves?

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I get the slaven leanness of.
Yes, but Belushi, but he has the

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voice and the gate and the sort
of like, hunched over.

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I don't know awkwardness of
Brad, got ya?

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Yes!
100% And I so for me like the

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mixture of those two actors for
me, just 100% worked.

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I thought he was incredibly
funny and his his relationship

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with Harry.
His friend that he mistakes to

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be Betty Grable at one point is
honestly, like really sweet and

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touching.
And, and the, the few moments

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where I believe in that the most
is when things are looking dark

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for the barracks and for the
troops and they're still kind of

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doing their slapstick thing, I
think there are moments where

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I'm like, you know, I don't know
if I would do any different if I

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was in a prison of War Camp.
Yeah, it brings a level of

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humanity to the situation that I
think is helpful.

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A few more people to mention
before we go to break, Peter

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Graves who becomes a really, I
was a super popular character

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actor, but if you've ever seen
the movie Airplane, he plays the

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pilot in Airplane, super funny
role.

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He has perhaps the most
interesting role in the movie

444
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,100
playing price and I think Brad
is probably time to spoil

445
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:43,400
everything here at this point.
Yeah, it is price, is the

446
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,900
informants and he is a German
who apparently lived in

447
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:51,900
Cleveland for a while, dude.
I was so, So, pumped, they talk

448
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,800
about something that's not see,
what are you talking about?

449
00:25:55,300 --> 00:26:00,900
I mean, we lived in my town, her
Ray, I do.

450
00:26:00,900 --> 00:26:05,900
I do, remember when I was in
high school they found not just

451
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:11,000
in like Cleveland, but in Seven
Hills, my tiny little itsy-bitsy

452
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,300
suburb right off of Cleveland.
Was this the the John demjanjuk

453
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,700
guy?
Yeah, they found this Nazi

454
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:21,400
prisoner prisoner of war.
A while.

455
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,000
Yeah.
Concentration camp guard.

456
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Yeah, just like 90 years old.
Living in Seven Hills Ohio.

457
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,100
Yeah, I'm telling you they did a
Netflix documentary about him a

458
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:34,000
couple years ago was like a four
part series of how they finally

459
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,300
figured it out about him and how
they finally got things to stick

460
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:40,900
in his trial.
Super interesting, that is a

461
00:26:40,908 --> 00:26:43,600
complete aside.
Peter Graves really good in this

462
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,100
movie, I was just excited that
they talked about Cleveland,

463
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:49,700
Ohio, and Cincinnati, a
specific.

464
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:51,100
I come on, come on.
On baby.

465
00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:52,200
Let's go.
Hi.

466
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,900
Oh, I just even when it's not
even like a badge of honor,

467
00:26:54,900 --> 00:26:57,900
you're excited about hearing
Ohio pop up in a movie.

468
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,900
How often do you hear Ohio?
Pop up in the movie but just

469
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:04,100
last week, Joe Gillis Dayton
Ohio.

470
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,900
Dad's that's true.
Dayton Ohio, has maybe, maybe

471
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:09,000
Billy has like some some
connection.

472
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,200
He's got a soft spot.
Yeah, yeah.

473
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:14,500
The last person I want to talk
about is Otto preminger.

474
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,300
Now, if you know your film
history, Otto preminger is

475
00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:22,000
primarily known as a director
and I Almost brought him up last

476
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,900
week Brad, but we were running a
little bit long.

477
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,000
Otto.
Preminger is a director who was

478
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,100
known for really pushing the
boundaries within the confines

479
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:35,900
of Studio movies.
So he, some of his most famous

480
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:39,500
movies would be like Anatomy of
a Murder with James Stewart, so

481
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:40,700
fantastically.
Yeah.

482
00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:44,300
But his movies were always
pretty long and they were always

483
00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:47,900
like, really, I don't want to
say salacious, they were well

484
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,600
made and they weren't smutty,
but they were always pushing.

485
00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:53,700
The envelope in terms of like
violence on screen or subject

486
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:59,100
matter on screen. 1940s smutty,
I guess so.

487
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:03,700
Yeah, 50s and 60s to, but your
toddy in 2023.

488
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:05,500
I guess what I'm saying is it
wasn't like he was pushing the

489
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:09,200
boundaries by making like you
know erotic Thrillers or like

490
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:12,200
and he was just trying to get
subject matter on screen that

491
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,700
wasn't discussed really taboo
topics on screen.

492
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,900
And last you saying that?
He's like the German Hitchcock

493
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:20,100
then I may be in some
capacities.

494
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:23,800
So, I mean, he makes a movie
adaptation of the the Opera

495
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Porgy and Bess, which is an
all-black cast that at a time,

496
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,400
that that wasn't being done.
He made a movie in the mid-50s

497
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,100
with Frank Sinatra called The
Man, with the Golden Arm, which

498
00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,300
is about heroin addiction.
Like, it's just stuff that

499
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,900
wasn't wasn't on screen at the
time and lasted.

500
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,300
That's a title for a movie, man.
Writes, holy cow last week, you

501
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:45,500
kept mentioning Billy Wilder as
someone who kind of pushed the

502
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:49,700
envelope or really wanted to
push back against cultural norms

503
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:51,800
and I almost brought It up Otto.
Preminger.

504
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,500
Not realizing that he was going
to pop up in this movie as an

505
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,800
actor.
So once again, Wilder is working

506
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,400
with collaborators that he
really respects.

507
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,200
You know, last week, it's Erich
von stroheim playing a character

508
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,500
in his movie and Cecil B Demille
this week.

509
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:12,400
It's Otto preminger.
Yeah, and preminger was as a

510
00:29:12,408 --> 00:29:14,600
director.
He said that the only thing he

511
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,700
would yell at his actors for was
showing up late or forgetting a

512
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,500
line and apparently he told
Billy Wilder.

513
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:25,500
Hey, if I forget any lines in
this, I'll send you a bottle of

514
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:31,400
cough of caviar and apparently
Billy had quite a few potholes

515
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,100
and Kathy are by the end of the
film.

516
00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:37,300
That's funny.
I think caviar comes in tins

517
00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:39,100
instead of bottles but that's
good.

518
00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:41,600
Probably yeah.
I just thought about drinkable

519
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,000
caviar and I was like, oh gosh,
that's that's horrible.

520
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:47,800
Have you ever had caviar Bob?
I never have.

521
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:53,000
I never heard nor have I It's
not something I'm interested in.

522
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,500
I would be interested in it, if
it was like really high quality,

523
00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,500
like I've seen it like fresh
caviar.

524
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:00,600
I'm like, I would eat that but
it's like, yeah, this is baby in

525
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,100
my pantry for six years.
Let's try this hill and of

526
00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:05,400
caviar.
Oh, thank you.

527
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:09,700
It's right next to the sun kiss.
Well, speaking of super fancy

528
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:11,400
things that we keep in our
pantries.

529
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,700
Brad.
It's time for us to get into

530
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:18,300
drinking the whiskey of the day.
It is the last in the line up of

531
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,600
five benchmarks that we have
done and it's called Benchmark

532
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,000
foolproof.
What do you say?

533
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,900
We try it.
Let's get to a bob to our are

534
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:35,000
very fancy with sweet.
All right, everybody.

535
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,700
Today we are drinking the final
in our Benchmark series

536
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:43,500
Benchmark, foolproof.
You haven't even seen my final

537
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:44,600
form yet brand?
Yeah.

538
00:30:45,700 --> 00:30:47,200
Bob, I didn't think he knew Anna
Mae.

539
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,300
There you go.
Then, I'm full of surprises.

540
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Good job.
I'm proud of you.

541
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,400
Just like this.
Whiskey is full of proof.

542
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Am I right?
It's all the proofs.

543
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,600
So, yeah, if you've been paying
attention to our podcast, we

544
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,300
have tried five consecutive
Benchmark branded products to

545
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:08,200
start this season, Buffalo Trace
wanted to expand its most

546
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:14,500
valuable not valuable that lets
the word for like value wish

547
00:31:14,500 --> 00:31:18,800
line as well.
Yeah, there is a little box, its

548
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,000
cheapest line of whiskey
Benchmark and it did so, by

549
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,200
adding a whole bunch of fancy
words after the word Benchmark,

550
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,800
we started with the 86 proof,
top floor, and then we switch to

551
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,000
the 90 Proof small batch there.
Was a 95 proof, I think single

552
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,100
barrel and then Benchmark bonded
last week at 100 proof.

553
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,500
And after that, they said screw
it, like, we're not going to

554
00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:43,300
keep going up.
So incrementally, we're going to

555
00:31:43,300 --> 00:31:49,200
take this all the way up to 125
proof, turned it up to 11 if you

556
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,300
will, Brad, I don't know the
exact price point on this.

557
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:55,300
That's usually something that
you bring to the table research

558
00:31:55,300 --> 00:31:59,300
wise, but I don't Saul the
research getting out of even.

559
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,100
I don't know if there is a
whiskey.

560
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,700
E on the market.
That is so high.

561
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:09,900
In proof for what I assume to
be, so little in price as I say,

562
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,500
it costs over $100 less than its
proof point there.

563
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,400
There you go.
I was going to say, like old

564
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,300
Granddad 114 is a, you know, 11
proof points lower than this.

565
00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:25,300
And also, I think retails for at
least thirty dollars now.

566
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:28,600
So I mean, you know, unless
you're buying Everclear, I don't

567
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,500
know if you can get anything.
This High proof for like 25

568
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:33,400
bucks.
Yeah, yeah.

569
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,900
I was going to say this is a,
I'll spoil the value right now.

570
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:42,200
It's a really solid value.
Bob, this is the second most

571
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,000
expensive of The Benchmark
lineup at $23 in the state of

572
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,100
Ohio.
Okay.

573
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:51,200
But I like how this is still
cheaper than the Single Barrel.

574
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Yes, that's crazy to me.
Hmm.

575
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:57,800
I mean, you know, Bob it takes a
lot of time and effort to pick

576
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,200
out one crappy barrel with
someone barrel and then water it

577
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,600
down to 90 bucks.
Oof.

578
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,800
Yeah, about 25 dollars worth of
effort.

579
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,600
Okay, so on The Benchmark
foolproof front, we are looking

580
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,100
at, like I said, a 125 proof
bourbon whiskey that has been

581
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:17,200
aged for at least four years.
It does not have an age

582
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,400
statement on the bottle, which
means it's a blend of a whole

583
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,200
bunch of different ages of
whiskey.

584
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,200
But that also means that the
minimum, the youngest whiskey in

585
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,400
this blend is at least 4 years
old.

586
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,200
Buffalo Trace, does not disclose
the mash bill, but some some

587
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,200
pretty smart people online.
Have pretty much figured out.

588
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,600
What the mash bill of this is,
if you'd like, to go look it up

589
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
for yourself.
I'm excited to dive into this,

590
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,700
man.
I think, overall, this has been

591
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:41,500
a pretty great experience going
through these cheap whiskeys.

592
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:47,400
Yeah, I will say, I think if I
had to guess I think that

593
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,900
Buffalo Trace, new of my hatred
for its high-end lineups and

594
00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:55,300
they were like, well, we got to
appease Brad somehow.

595
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:57,100
Yeah.
So we're going to put out this

596
00:33:57,100 --> 00:34:01,000
fought line up of five cheap
Whiskey's and I'll be honest

597
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,800
with you.
Bob for Out of five are really

598
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,100
solid great values.
Ones that I think that indicates

599
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:09,500
that you've already tried this
before.

600
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:12,100
I'm sipping it live as we
discuss it.

601
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,600
So why don't you go ahead and
give your nosing notes Brad?

602
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,400
So I can write mine down as
well.

603
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,600
Yeah.
So I'm getting like everything

604
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,199
classic that you want out of a
bourbon.

605
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,600
There is caramel there's brown
sugar.

606
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,300
There's vanilla for me, it gets
into a little bit of spiciness,

607
00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:34,100
some cinnamon, maybe a little
Like nutmeg almost kind of good

608
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:36,000
takes a Christmassy turn at the
end.

609
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Yep but I there is nothing to
complain about here.

610
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,199
It's not an overly complex
knows, but it's the the proof

611
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:46,100
points.
Give it a little bit of depth

612
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:47,800
that the other ones were missing
out on.

613
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,600
So I give it a 7 & a half.
I really love how crisp this one

614
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,199
is.
Like, it just reminds me of,

615
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,600
like, apple peels, but also kind
of like, you know, we just had a

616
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,200
nice little rain storm blow
through here as I'm recording

617
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,600
this.
And I went outside and I smelled

618
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,900
that like, After the rain smell
it has that really great like

619
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:06,700
almost rainwater kind of smell
to it.

620
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:09,800
It's really, really beautiful.
I think this might be just go

621
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,000
ahead.
Is it just me or did like, do

622
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,900
you no longer enjoy things, just
to enjoy them, but you

623
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:20,300
immediately are like, hmm.
This is going in the old whiskey

624
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:25,100
palette log every time I smell a
smell, you know?

625
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,000
Yes yeah, toddler diaper.
I'm like all right I'm going to

626
00:35:28,008 --> 00:35:29,700
log that one in the back of my
head.

627
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,500
Exactly.
So yeah, I think this might be

628
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:36,500
my favorite nose out of all five
of them and it's not surprising

629
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:38,100
because this hasn't been diluted
at all.

630
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,500
And so we're really getting, you
know, exactly or close to what's

631
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:43,900
coming out of the barrel here.
I like it a lot.

632
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:45,300
I'm gonna give it an eight and a
half on the nose.

633
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:48,900
Yeah, a baba.
And I'm with you, this is

634
00:35:48,900 --> 00:35:52,300
probably the best smelling of
the five, and when you get into

635
00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:55,100
the palette, you can tell that
there is some flavor going on

636
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:57,900
here.
Once again, this is not a

637
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:01,800
complex whiskey.
Like it's all of the nice,

638
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,800
beautiful.
Awful things.

639
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,600
You love about bourbon.
It's brown sugar caramel like I

640
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,700
said some spiciness there, I
don't know if I've ever had a

641
00:36:09,700 --> 00:36:15,000
pallet that so perfectly mimics
the nose, but all the notes I

642
00:36:15,008 --> 00:36:18,100
gave before are still here but
their enhanced a little bit

643
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:20,200
because I'm actually drinking
the whiskey.

644
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,500
I give it an 8 and a half out of
ten on The Taste.

645
00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:26,000
Yeah, this I think this really
will appeal to fans of Buffalo

646
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,600
Trace because it has that So
bitter.

647
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,700
It's almost sour.
Oh keynote to it but I think

648
00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:36,300
here it's almost like it doesn't
come across as a flaw and it

649
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:37,500
doesn't come across as
something.

650
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:40,800
That's from a lesser brand?
Do you know what I mean?

651
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,200
Like I think before we've been
like okay maybe they're just

652
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,100
putting that in the Benchmark
line because it's lower quality

653
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:47,700
here.
I think it's just like hey this

654
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:49,300
is what Oak tastes like you
know.

655
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:53,200
Yeah but what I really love
about it is on the pallet for me

656
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,800
it was like two very quick
rapid-fire waves of heat coming

657
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,100
from the front of my To the
back.

658
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:02,600
And then it just like repeated
that process again really,

659
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,500
really spicy.
Like the ethanol notes really

660
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:07,300
come out in.
Her, are prickly on the palate,

661
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:10,700
like you said, man, not super
complex.

662
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:14,700
It's for me, it's brown sugar
and it's vanilla, and it's

663
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:17,400
really, really tasty.
It's kind of thin on the

664
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,500
mouthfeel.
I think because it is so high

665
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:23,400
proof, so it kind of manifest as
a little bit thin, but not as

666
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,700
stringent, and I really, really
like that.

667
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:28,000
I'm going to give it.
See, here's the hard thing.

668
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,800
I'm scoring it knowing that it's
$23.

669
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:34,400
Like, is this an actual 88 and a
half out of ten?

670
00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:37,400
Well, Dallas, give it.
Give it an actual score.

671
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:40,300
I think I'll give it a seven and
a half palette.

672
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:44,500
If I'm talking like every
whiskey ever considered this is

673
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:47,400
like a three out of four star.
I'll give it a seven and a half.

674
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:52,000
Yeah I think that's fair for me.
The finishes were all ding it a

675
00:37:52,008 --> 00:37:56,200
little bit because it does take
on that, traditional Buffalo

676
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,500
Trace okita, Guinness and
adjusts hours a little bit for

677
00:38:01,500 --> 00:38:03,900
me, I'll give it a six and a
half out of ten on the Finish.

678
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:08,400
It's not bad but you can tell
that it is a cheaper Whiskey on

679
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,200
the Finish.
Yeah I think I'm just gonna pair

680
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,900
it.
You here man six and a half for

681
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:16,500
all the reasons you just said
yeah and that takes us to

682
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:18,700
balance.
This is where we consider knows

683
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:22,200
taste and finish kind of as one
cohesive whole.

684
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,500
Was there, a part of this
drinking experience that stood

685
00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,400
out from the others for good, or
for bad or did it?

686
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:30,600
Kind of make sense, all
throughout.

687
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:34,300
I think, for the most part Brad,
this is exactly what I expected

688
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,700
a 125 proof.
Benchmark product tastes like,

689
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,300
it's just significantly better
than most Benchmark products,

690
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:44,400
but it still carries all those
same flavors throughout.

691
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,000
So I think, I guess I'll give it
a seven and a half like it's

692
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,700
above average.
It's not a perfect, obviously

693
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:53,700
whiskey, but it's pretty darn
consistent, and it's what I

694
00:38:53,707 --> 00:38:54,600
expected.
It's me.

695
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,400
Yeah, I'm in literally the exact
same spot Bob.

696
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:00,700
You parotid me earlier, I will
pair it.

697
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:04,000
You here seven and a half on the
balance and I'm just going to

698
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,600
say this, let's keep this short
and sweet today, man.

699
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,400
This is a 10/10 value.
I don't really know that there's

700
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,900
like any debating this even
though it's not our favorite

701
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:13,900
whiskey.
Even though I probably

702
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:18,300
shockingly, might still go for
the top floor before I would go

703
00:39:18,300 --> 00:39:21,800
for this one, if we're talking
like ranking, 1 through 5 in

704
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,200
these.
Yeah, there is no better value

705
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,100
out there for a high-proof
whiskey, and it's a palatable

706
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,100
high-proof whiskey.
It's not Just like hey my rum

707
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,100
and coke needs extra alcohol in
it.

708
00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:34,000
It tastes good.
Yeah.

709
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,200
No 100%.
This is a 10 out of 10 on value

710
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,500
out of all the things I could
say nice about Buffalo Trace.

711
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:44,500
They are knocking it out of the
park on these cheap Benchmark,

712
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:48,500
Whiskey's that genuinely, I
think almost every single one of

713
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:52,600
them could retail for ten
dollars higher and I would still

714
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,300
be like, oh yeah, so, you know,
seven out of ten value.

715
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:57,700
Like that's like it could be a
little cheaper, but it's a good

716
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:59,200
price too.
The agree, man.

717
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,900
Real quick.
Before we get final scores on

718
00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:04,300
this one.
Let's kind of power rank the

719
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:08,200
five that we did.
Mmm, for me, I think, you know,

720
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,900
I don't even know if I need to
go one and two, but like, the

721
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:15,800
upper tier for me, is top floor
and this and then the small

722
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,100
batch and then in the bottom,
tier would be the single barrel

723
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:25,400
and the bond it.
Yeah, I think for me I would go

724
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:30,700
small batch and foolproof I'm
kind of tied at the top, I

725
00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:35,800
really like those and then right
behind that the bonded and the

726
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,400
top floor and kind of their
second category.

727
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:42,100
And then the Single Barrel kind
of Fallen pretty far behind.

728
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:44,200
Yeah, for sure.
I think, like you said, four out

729
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,400
of the five everything except
the Single Barrel was a

730
00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:51,100
no-brainer recommendation from
us in terms of like, you know, I

731
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,100
think last week I even said with
the bonded, like I wouldn't

732
00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:57,100
recommend trying this at the
bar, but they're all worth a

733
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:58,800
pickup except for that sing.
Carol.

734
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,200
So yeah.
And especially like, if you have

735
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,300
a buddy who enjoys drinking
whiskey like go put ten to

736
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:08,600
twelve dollars each in and and
buy a bottle of it and then you

737
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,500
each have, you know, 350, 375 to
drink.

738
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:14,700
Exactly.
Like, it's the easiest purchase

739
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:17,300
you'll make.
Okay, man, I'm coming out to a

740
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:20,900
40 out of 50 on this whiskey.
What are you coming out to Bob?

741
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:25,900
I'm at a 40 out of 50.
Hey, so we have our first 40 of

742
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,500
the Season which is usually
pretty I dare this one,

743
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:33,600
obviously was helped out by its
value score, but even if you

744
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,300
don't consider that, it's such
an incredible value and just

745
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:38,100
take that part of the equation
out.

746
00:41:38,100 --> 00:41:42,900
We came out to essentially a 30
out of 40 on the tasting notes,

747
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,500
which is like a well, above
average experience, this is not

748
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:49,200
just a budget bourbon, it's a
budget bourbon.

749
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,000
That takes pretty good.
Yeah, 100% Bob and it, I think

750
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,200
we paired it with just about the
right movie.

751
00:41:56,300 --> 00:42:00,800
I think so too.
Have a Gidget yet really solid

752
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,800
movie.
So let's get back into it.

753
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:07,800
Let's do it.
All right, everybody, that was

754
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,500
Benchmark foolproof.
A 125 proof, whiskey that only

755
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:16,300
cost $23.
And that alone should get you to

756
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,800
go try it.
I mean, you might as well but

757
00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:22,800
leaving that to the side.
We are going to jump back into

758
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:28,000
the episode and go to Canada's.
Absolute favorite segments to

759
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,700
fax at a falsehood?
Is gonna try to stop you by.

760
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:39,000
All right?
And what is wrong to facts in a

761
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,700
foster, to facts in a falsehood
is the part of the podcast where

762
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:46,900
Brad presents three items to me,
as fact about the making of this

763
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:50,400
movie, one of which he has
completely made up and it's my

764
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,000
job to establish, which one is
the falsehood Brad.

765
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,300
I am a whopping 2 and 2 on the
season, so far sitting pretty at

766
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,500
500.
If this was baseball, I'd be in

767
00:43:01,500 --> 00:43:02,900
good position.
Yeah.

768
00:43:02,900 --> 00:43:05,100
You'd probably be like, s in
your division.

769
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:08,800
Doing pretty solid.
So we'll see if I can keep the

770
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,400
streak alive here.
I won last week to bring myself

771
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,400
back up to 500.
I'm gonna be real with you man.

772
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,200
I did a lot of research on
Sunset Boulevard to prepare for

773
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,900
that episode because it's such a
major movie.

774
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:24,000
I do did 08 Messer, nothing
about this movie.

775
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:26,100
The funny thing is, you know,
before you give me your two

776
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,800
facts in a falsehood.
Let me just say, for being a

777
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,400
movie that I feel like a lot of
dads will have seen at some

778
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,100
point.
There's not a It online about

779
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,000
this movie.
And I have this stack of Billy

780
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,900
Wilder books behind me.
Like they talk about Stalag 17

781
00:43:40,900 --> 00:43:44,200
but it just doesn't seem like
anyone is super interested in

782
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,800
learning that much about the
production of this movie.

783
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,800
Even the Wikipedia page doesn't
even go in depth to the extent

784
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,700
that I thought that it would.
So, yeah, man, I'm coming into

785
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:57,400
this one, pretty cold.
You are in Prime position here

786
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,400
to get a victory this week, hit
me with your two facts and a

787
00:44:01,408 --> 00:44:04,200
falsehood.
Alright fact, number one, the

788
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,000
dog tags that.
Can see around the necks of some

789
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,100
of the prisoners are authentic.
They are not actually pair of

790
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:15,200
us, dog tags.
But instead are a single dog tag

791
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,800
with two slots that lets them be
broken in.

792
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,400
Half in the event, the soldier
is killed and this is actually a

793
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,200
German set of dog tags.
Hmm, fact.

794
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,400
Number two, William, Holden's
line.

795
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:30,900
This ain't the Salvation Army.
This is everybody for himself.

796
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:34,000
Dog-eat-dog was originally
written as this.

797
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Ain't the YMCA.
We're not all bunk buddies here.

798
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,000
Nice.
I didn't expect that.

799
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,200
I hope you didn't make that one
up because you're going to legit

800
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,400
get us canceled with that one.
All right.

801
00:44:49,500 --> 00:44:52,900
All right, fact, what were three
warrants or Tome an extra in the

802
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:56,200
film was an actual prisoner of
war in Germany.

803
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,500
He relates that they're around,
nine other pows that served as

804
00:44:59,500 --> 00:45:03,100
extras in the film, he himself
was flying in a B-24.

805
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:06,000
That was shot down over
Northeastern Germany during the

806
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,000
war.
Hmm.

807
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:10,200
All right, Brad, I'm gonna
assume that you didn't make up

808
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,900
number two because if you did we
have some problematic things to

809
00:45:13,900 --> 00:45:19,600
discuss after that one.
Number one is, Really

810
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:24,600
interesting and I think just
because I hope it's true, I'm

811
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:30,100
going to say number three is the
falsehood number two.

812
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:37,600
It's Brad did you can't do that,
okay, I've 100% did not think of

813
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,600
it as a gauge show, how to do
this, I mean, one of the most

814
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,400
iconic gay songs of all time is
about going to the YMCA.

815
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Wait, that's a socket.
Okay, people are you ever heard

816
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,700
of the Village People?
Yeah.

817
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:57,300
They're all gay.
It's didn't know that.

818
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,000
You didn't know that the
village.

819
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,900
I've never seen a picture of the
Village People.

820
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,600
Yes.
I see the yakked in history,

821
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:11,100
dude.
Well, filming whiskey Nation,

822
00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:16,300
let it be known, Brad made up a
number two without knowing his

823
00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:20,500
LGBT history and intended
intended, no offense with that

824
00:46:20,500 --> 00:46:22,700
one you know what that her
purse.

825
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:29,700
My gosh.
How do we steer out of that one

826
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:33,500
man?
I think that's it dude this was

827
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:37,700
our final final scores and I'm
gonna go hide in a bunker Right.

828
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:42,400
Okay, let's talk about Stalag
17.

829
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,600
Brad.
What do you want to talk about?

830
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:49,000
Let's talk about some of the
slapstick.

831
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,600
Comedy.
What what was your funniest gag

832
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,200
from from animal and Shapiro?
Hmm.

833
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,300
I mean, I think it's got to be
the painting, a line on the

834
00:47:00,300 --> 00:47:03,700
ground gag to get over to the
women's showers to try to see in

835
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:04,600
there.
That was hilarious.

836
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:09,700
Like not just slapstick that
felt like a, a cartoon like an

837
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:15,200
actual like Wiley Coyote
Roadrunner cartoon, like Thing

838
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,800
about it was this could be a
Three Stooges skit.

839
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Yes, it's perfect.
It was yeah, it was hilarious.

840
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,300
Also, why are there Russian
women just hanging out at a

841
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:31,400
prisoner of war camp in their
own little compound?

842
00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:34,100
I mean, they're also prisoners,
it's not like they're just

843
00:47:34,700 --> 00:47:36,700
shacking up there.
Yeah.

844
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:39,800
But it just seemed weird to me.
I was like, maybe I just don't

845
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,100
know my World War Two history
enough, but when they conquered,

846
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:47,600
you know, Territories.
I thought they just kind of let

847
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,900
the women and children keep
living in the area.

848
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,900
They didn't put him in the
prisoner camps, I don't know, I

849
00:47:53,908 --> 00:47:56,200
don't know.
I can I also think that maybe

850
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,400
I'm being a little bit swayed by
The Great Escape and The Bridge

851
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,700
on the River Kwai.
But I was thinking in the

852
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,300
opening narration, they say that
everybody in that p.o.w. camp is

853
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,500
at least a sergeant, right?
So like they may not all be

854
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:13,600
officers, but it's essentially
an officer's camp and yeah, so I

855
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,300
don't know why that they weave
they would Even have a women's

856
00:48:16,300 --> 00:48:19,100
section of that camp, but you
know, who knows?

857
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:21,800
Maybe the Nazis were just trying
to be efficient and save space.

858
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:25,200
Yeah, that's if there's
anything.

859
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,200
The Nazis are known for the
efficiency.

860
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:34,400
Yeah, it's just Bob, did you
know that this is the episode?

861
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,200
That's just going to end the
podcast?

862
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Yeah, it's just destroy whiskey,
but why?

863
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
I will say, I really enjoyed
this movie.

864
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:49,300
The, I think we kind of have
talked about the slapstick side

865
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:52,400
of it.
How did the tension work for

866
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,600
you?
Like what did you think about

867
00:48:54,600 --> 00:49:02,300
his the the way he used shots to
establish tension and drama and

868
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:06,500
the gimmick of the light being
pulled to show, you know, when

869
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:09,800
things are going on?
How did that half of the movie

870
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,600
work for you?
It works great for me.

871
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,100
I think the thing that didn't
work about it is that it's not

872
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:17,600
half the movie.
And the slapstick stuff.

873
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,200
Not only goes on too long as a
percentage of the movie.

874
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,800
But I think each and every
slapstick gag goes on for about

875
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,300
like a minute too long.
Just in general, I really wish

876
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:32,100
that he had trimmed those up and
I when I look at the runtime of

877
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:34,900
this movie, like you said, it's
not super long but I did find

878
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:36,900
myself getting pretty bored in
stretches.

879
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:42,000
I think because it wasn't like
slapstick, tension, slapstick

880
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,100
tension.
It was like, yeah, slapstick.

881
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:50,500
Filler slapstick filler tension,
filler slapstick slapstick and

882
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:53,400
then he didn't get to the
tension Parts until way late in

883
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,100
the movie.
And between the combo of like it

884
00:49:56,100 --> 00:50:00,900
just has too much fat on it.
And also they try to Milk The

885
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:05,000
Comedy past the point where it's
funny in some places, it really

886
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,300
left.
Me wanting more.

887
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:10,900
And I think the final reveal of
who the mole is, is done really

888
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:16,100
well, but I almost wish that it
had been like a It almost like a

889
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,700
like a courtroom type set piece
where it's June monologue, after

890
00:50:19,700 --> 00:50:23,800
monologue of, you know, accusing
and finding evidence.

891
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,100
And it's not it's like a
3-minute like, hey, he did this

892
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:28,800
thing.
Here's this light and everyone's

893
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,100
like aah.
He's the Nazi.

894
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,600
And that's the end of the movie
and I was like, man, you really

895
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,300
built it up well, and it feels
like an anticlimax now.

896
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:41,200
Yeah, that was my biggest
complaint of the movie is that

897
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,800
they build up.
Not not just the climax but they

898
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,400
built. it up as like Sefton has
this impenetrable wall that he

899
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,000
has to, you know, blow his way
through to convince everyone

900
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,300
that he's not the mole and then
he just does it in two minutes

901
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:03,900
like and that for me was the
biggest Miss of the movie

902
00:51:04,300 --> 00:51:08,000
because of like you said, they
set it up so incredibly, well

903
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,600
that you don't know who the Spy
is, and it genuinely could be

904
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,500
anyone but Seth Didn't, you
know, he has that great line

905
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:21,300
where he says the only people
who know, it's not me Army and

906
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:25,400
the guy who did it right?
And that line like is the

907
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,000
epitome of the problem facing
him.

908
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,100
And it just feels like too easy
of an out to just be like yep,

909
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:35,800
here's the explanation.
Alright now let's figure it all

910
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,600
out and we'll be done with it.
One thing that I wish I had paid

911
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:43,300
more attention to is.
Does the audience definitively

912
00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:46,500
know that it's not him?
Like because I feel like right

913
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:50,500
up until the point where Wilder
reveals to the audience who it

914
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:52,800
is.
And then you find out that

915
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,700
Sefton is also kind of he has a
good idea because he's like in

916
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:00,000
the room when it's happening, I
don't know that we ever actually

917
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,300
see any evidence that would
exonerate him.

918
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:06,000
It's not like yeah, we saw him
outside the barracks then when

919
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,100
we come back in we can tell that
something had happened in there.

920
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,100
I think.
Oh you know what?

921
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:14,100
In you know, what would have
made this a new our movie?

922
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Hmm.
If he was the Spy, well that's

923
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,600
what I'm saying.
Like yeah, that would have taken

924
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,200
it right back in the classic,
Billy Wilder territory, right?

925
00:52:23,300 --> 00:52:26,400
And I feel like for such a long
time, Wilder is toying with the

926
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,000
audience of like, is he the
mole, is he not the mole and

927
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,900
then he reveals who the mole is,
and it becomes a completely

928
00:52:31,900 --> 00:52:34,400
different thing where you're on
Sefton side now and you're

929
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,200
wanting him to find the evidence
to exonerate himself and I wish

930
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,700
that it had just built into a to
be frank like an Aaron Sorkin,

931
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:48,200
e, Few, Good, Men type ending
and it doesn't do that.

932
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,000
And for, they're all of the
Fantastic dialogue and

933
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,600
one-liners in this movie.
I really wanted some sort of

934
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,000
verbal fireworks at the end of
this film that I just didn't

935
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:02,200
get.
Yeah man, disappointing Movie 2

936
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,500
out of 10 worthless.
Well before we jump into final

937
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:09,400
scores, Brad it is time for our
final segment of the day that we

938
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,000
call.
Let's make it a People who

939
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,300
nearly end of the episode.
So thanks for listening to the

940
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:18,000
film and whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

941
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,600
this one.
Even if it's a struggle, it's a

942
00:53:19,607 --> 00:53:22,600
final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

943
00:53:22,700 --> 00:53:24,200
Let's make it.
A double is the part of the

944
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,200
show, where we pair this movie
up with another film to make the

945
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,200
perfect double feature Brad.
I think we've pretty much

946
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,400
already said, explicitly many
times.

947
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,100
What the perfect pairing for
this movie?

948
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:39,300
Is I have a better one.
Oh, okay.

949
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:42,200
Well then, let me say this way.
I'm In the Great Escape because

950
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,700
that's the correct answer.
I think Bridge on the River Kwai

951
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:48,700
could be, you know, at almost as
good because it is a William

952
00:53:48,700 --> 00:53:52,200
Holden starring prisoner of war
movie, like it's just go back to

953
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,900
back on those, but then you'd be
watching movies for like five

954
00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:59,200
and a half hours.
So you would same thing with

955
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,800
Great Escape.
That's a three-hour movie too.

956
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:02,600
So Brad.
What's your pick?

957
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,000
Remember that.
My pick is a another prisoner of

958
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:12,000
war movie and B is made with the
goal of getting In this podcast,

959
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,600
cancelled I am going to pick
Tropic Thunder.

960
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:20,700
Oh, now, is it because they let
me take a guess as to why you're

961
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:25,300
picking it is it because it's so
perfectly balances, the themes

962
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:31,500
of war and actual danger with
slapstick comedy.

963
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:35,500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll be honest with you.

964
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:38,400
I actually think that they would
be a pretty funny pairing

965
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,200
together.
Yeah.

966
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,000
To go from such an old film
that.

967
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:45,100
It has slapstick elements to a
very modern film that has those

968
00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,200
slapstick elements.
I'm like, actually, as I'm

969
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,200
talking convincing myself that
this is actually a great idea,

970
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,900
but all I'm going to say is
Tropic, Thunder is a hilarious

971
00:54:56,900 --> 00:55:01,600
movie and should be watched in
addition to Stalag 17, which is

972
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,300
a great movie as well.
Totally agree.

973
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,000
I think you just wanted to get
another Tom Cruise reference in

974
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,400
here.
I I gave us a Few Good Men and

975
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,100
you were like not good enough.
My friend We need more crews.

976
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:17,400
References fat fat, dancing.
Cruz is what we needed.

977
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,900
Is there any other all right,
dude, I think it's time to give

978
00:55:21,900 --> 00:55:25,800
final scores on this movie.
I am coming out weirdly to the

979
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,600
same score that I came out to
with Sunset Boulevard and it's a

980
00:55:29,607 --> 00:55:31,900
massive caveat.
I'm giving this movie an 8 out

981
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:35,500
of 10 because I think it works
about as well as a movie with

982
00:55:35,500 --> 00:55:38,500
this.
Premise can work like on paper.

983
00:55:38,500 --> 00:55:42,200
If you try to pitch me this
movie I'd be like That's really

984
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,200
risky.
And I think the ceiling for that

985
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,900
movie is 8 out of 10.
And I really think this movie's

986
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:50,800
pretty much achieves it ceiling.
Sunset Boulevard is a movie that

987
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:55,000
I think has much higher
Ambitions and works fairly well,

988
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
but has never worked perfectly
for me.

989
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,900
And so I guess my caveat is I
think Sunset Boulevard is

990
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:03,600
probably for talking like
Capital C Cinema.

991
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,600
Sunset Boulevard is the better
made movie, but they work to

992
00:56:07,700 --> 00:56:09,700
pretty much equivalent extent to
me.

993
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,000
Yeah, I'm I'm kind of with you,
I mean except for the part where

994
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,000
I like Sunset Boulevard said,
didn't I I'm going to give this

995
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,800
a name.
Then I think it's an incredibly

996
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,500
funny movie, the drama and the
pacing worked pretty well for

997
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:28,100
me.
You know, I know you said you

998
00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:32,000
had issues with the level of
slapstick and filler stuff.

999
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,200
I that didn't bother me quite as
much.

1000
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:39,100
I definitely think this could be
like a hour and 42 H 50 minute

1001
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:42,300
movie instead of two hours.
But overall, I think the

1002
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:44,900
performance is a really great.
I don't think holding deserves

1003
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:48,400
an Oscar for it, but I do think
it's a really good performance.

1004
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,600
So, So yeah, I think this is in
a pretty easy, 8 out of 10 for

1005
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,400
me.
All right, well, we want to know

1006
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,200
what you think whoever's out
there that's seen Stalag. 17, if

1007
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,100
you've seen this movie before,
reach out to us, and I will give

1008
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:04,500
you a sticker because I don't
expect that many of you have.

1009
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,300
And yet it's a really good
movie.

1010
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:09,500
So if you've seen it, let us
know at one of our social media

1011
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:14,100
accounts, Facebook Twitter,
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1012
00:57:14,100 --> 00:57:16,700
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Discord.

1013
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,800
You can find a link to the
Discord at the end of every one

1014
00:57:18,808 --> 00:57:22,600
of our Notes and we are on there
every single day talking to you

1015
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,900
guys, the fans of the film and
whiskey podcast.

1016
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:29,800
Next week, we will be back with
Wilders follow-up to Stalag 17.

1017
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:36,100
1954 is romantic comedy Sabrina
which I'm like super pumped for.

1018
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:37,900
Yeah, I'm really excited man.
Anytime we do.

1019
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:41,300
Audrey Hepburn, I get very
excited and she's incredible.

1020
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,500
All right, we'll see you for
that one next week, but until

1021
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:47,300
then, I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G
and we'll see you next time.