Spotlight (2015) / Green River Single Barrel Wheated Bourbon

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In 2015, director Tom McCarthy
and star Michael Keaton gave the

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world a studious recollection of
one of the most explosive

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stories in newspaper.
History In 2025, we returned to

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Owensboro, KY to try a rarer
bourbon.

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The film is Spotlight.
The whiskey is Green River

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weeded bourbon single barrel.
And we'll review them both.

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This is.
The Film and Whiskey podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

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And Brad Gee, it is 8:30 PM on a
Monday nights and your boy is

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tired.
I have.

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I've hit the age where 830 is
like getting myself ready for

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bedtime now.
I am right there with you. 9:30

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to 10:00 PM is a great bedtime,
my friend.

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It sure is, dude.
And we're going to get ourselves

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there, Brad.
We are going to get out of here

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in an hour.
And we're also going to keep the

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energy up.
I will not let this episode flag

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because of our own tiredness,
Brad, even though, if I can be

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frank, today's movie is a little
more on the solemn and heavy

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side of things.
Yes, we're talking about 2015's

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Spotlight.
This is the movie that won Best

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Picture for the year 2015,
beating out a movie that we've

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already done before, The
Revenant, which was its primary

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competition that year.
Brad, I've had Spotlight kind of

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circled as a film of interest
for us because I know that to my

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knowledge, you had not seen it.
And I was really excited to see

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what this kind of small, quiet
procedural drama would would do

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for you as a movie viewer.
Yeah, so this definitely was my

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first time viewing Spotlight.
I was familiar with the content

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of the film, as most Americans
were.

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I was very aware of all the wild
things that happened in the

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early 2000s when the Boston
Globe decided that it was time

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to uncover a lot of really gross
stuff going on in the Catholic

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Church.
It was a very interesting

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experience to watch this, Bob.
I did not know that this won

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best.
Picture.

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Yeah, it sure did.
And it's like, I don't know how

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to explain it because it seems
to be a very well liked movie.

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It has an 8.1 I believe on IMDb
it's in the top 250.

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So in addition to in addition to
winning best picture, it has

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checked that box in our four
criteria for what could be

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considered a modern classic.
The people seem to like it.

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The awards body certainly liked
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The critics really liked this
movie.

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But it doesn't scream Oscari
movie in in that like I think a

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more over the top version of
this movie is what people would

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expect.
You know, like where everyone's

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shouting and everyone like Mark
Ruffalo has the one scene in

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this movie where he has his
little Oscar clip.

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Aside from that, I feel like
this movie is very purposely

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understated and tries to be
matter of fact in the way that

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it portrays the events that
happened in the movie.

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I really appreciate that.
It also just kind of strikes me

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as an oddity for a a Best
picture winner because we're so

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used to Oscar films being bigger
and more sort of, what's the

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word, Brad?
Bombastic.

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Hysterical, I guess.
Yeah, exactly.

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Well, I'll I'll give you an easy
way of comparison.

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The movie I would have thought
would win this year might be Mad

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Max Fury Rd.
You know what I mean?

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Like that, there's a world where
I could see that winning Best

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picture in a lot of different
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It's not Even so much that it's,
it's the subject matter that

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isn't awarded, but there was a
really funny sketch that Seth

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Meyers did on his late night
show a few years ago called

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Oscar Bait the Movie.
And it was like a 5 minute

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trailer that just had every
trope of an Oscar E movie

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smashed into it.
And I, I think about movies like

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The King's Speech, which also
won the Academy Award.

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And that is, is similar in that
it's like a very small movie,

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but I feel like it's characters
get their, you know, stare right

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down the barrel of the camera
and deliver your impassioned

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speech moments way more than
characters in this movie do.

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And so, yeah, I, I'm excited to
dive into it.

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Folks, if you are new to film
and whiskey, welcome in.

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We talk about movies here and we
talk about whiskey this season.

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We're looking at movies from the
past 20 years.

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We're asking the question, does
this deserve to be considered a

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modern classic?
Now, Brad, you've already said

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that this is your first time
watching Spotlight.

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This is probably like my third
or fourth time watching it all

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the way through, but it it
definitely seems to be a fixture

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on, if not cable channels now,
then it like the stars and

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showtimes of the world anymore.
I always see it playing

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somewhere.
So it seems to be a movie that

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people have gotten around to
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I'll be interested to see how
many of our listeners follow up

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with us and tell us they have or
have not seen this one.

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Do you think this has been a
widely seen movie since its

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Oscar win?
I have to imagine, no, mostly

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because I've never really heard
anyone talk about it.

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Like even in our lead up to
this, Bob, I don't know if I've

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ever really heard you mention
it.

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It, it doesn't seem to garner a
lot of conversation at at the

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very least in my world, in my
sphere.

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So I know I don't think many
people have seen this, Bob and I

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base this off the fact that I
don't think so.

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Boom.
That's all we can do, Brad.

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All right.
Well, on that note, let's go

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ahead and jump into our first
segment of the day, which we

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call Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
sticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and do your take with
this little segment that we

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call, Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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This is of course Brad's first
time seeing Spotlight Brad.

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Usually we tend to be a little
lighter hearted with breaking

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down the plot of our films.
I don't think we could get away

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with that today, nor would I
like to.

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So you have 60 seconds to spoil
this movie.

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It is based on true events, so
if you haven't seen the movie

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folks, you might be familiar
with the subject matter of it.

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I would highly recommend
watching the movie if, if for no

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other reason than you are an
Oscar completist and you just

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haven't gotten around to it yet,
Hit pause here, Go watch the

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movie Spotlight and then rejoin
us for the rest of the episode.

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Brad, one minute and go.
Spotlight is a film that follows

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4 reporters who are a part of
the Spotlight team at the Boston

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Globe whose goal is
investigative journalism.

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They find themselves turned on
to a story about abuse in the

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Catholic Church, encouraged by
their new editor, guest lead

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editor Marty Baron, who's a
newcomer to town and encourages

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them to pursue this story.
They begin to track down leads,

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find lawyers who are involved in
the cover up, and eventually

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make a discovery in the form of
letters written to the Bishop,

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the Archbishop of the Boston
area, that indicates that he

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knew about these abuses all
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up.
All right.

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That's Spotlight folks.
So Brad, I'd like to just kind

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of turn it over to you when it
comes to talking about this

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movie.
Where would you like to start

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today?
I think it's probably worth

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moving our way through the
performances because it feels

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like there has to be a
conversation eventually more

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focused on like the subject
matter of the movie than the

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movie making itself.
And I think the conversation

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about the subject matter could
easily take up the entire

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episode.
So I am I am curious to talk

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about the just the movie itself.
And, and I don't say that in any

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way to minimize the subject
matter.

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The the subject matter is
probably the weightiest that we

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have ever covered here at at the
Film and Whiskey podcast.

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Which is like, again, thank you
for the disclaimer.

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Not wanting to minimize
anything.

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When I think about this movie,
I'm like, oh, that's a really

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good movie about the work of
journalists and the day-to-day,

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like getting down and dirty with
your job and and pounding

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pavement and knocking on doors
and interviewing people and

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having dead ends.
And like, yes, they uncovered a

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big story.
I never think about it from the

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angle of like, Oh my gosh, the
subject matter of their story

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is, is a significant downer of a
film.

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Because like, I really do think
to talk about the movie making

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here that what Tom McCarthy, the
writer and director of this

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movie, has done is show that
day-to-day life in such a frank,

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matter of fact, understated way
that it never feels like they're

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going for this big, weighty,
frankly Oscari type movie.

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It just like wants to portray
just the facts, ma'am, you know

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what I mean?
And I think that that is the

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best possible way they could
have portrayed this subject

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matter because otherwise it
starts getting a little bit too

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manipulative.
And when you start being

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manipulative with real people
stories that way, then I start

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to feel like this is icky, you
know what I mean?

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100% And and that's actually, I
read an article interviewing

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Sasha Pfeiffer, the real life
Sasha Pfeiffer, who is one of

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the journalists who who did this
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And they asked her about why she
and the others agreed to let you

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know, I don't know about their
life rights, but to let their to

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let their story be portrayed by
Hollywood.

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And she essentially said, like I
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extraordinarily hesitant to
allow our stories to be told

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because we didn't want it to
become a glamorous thing, that

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we were covering this horrific
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And it it wasn't until she sat
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like, pieces of the script that
he was writing that she was

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like, OK, I think that this is
going to be done well.

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And upon review and watching of
the film, all of all of the

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journalists seem to have very
positive reactions to how their

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lives were portrayed.
Let's, I mean, again, I think

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that's a really good thing.
And to get back to your point

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about performances, I kind of
said all that to say I don't

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think any of the performances in
this movie are like, they didn't

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wow me, But that's also the
intention of the movie, you

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know?
And I think that's why sometimes

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people have poked a little bit
of fun at Mark Ruffalo's

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performance.
I actually think Mark Ruffalo's

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pretty good in this movie, but
he is really the only one that's

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given this big dynamic scene
where he gets to blow up at

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somebody.
Nobody else gets that.

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And it's because they're playing
real people, and real people

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have to either regulate or
suppress their emotions at the

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workplace for the most part.
Yeah, and they have to keep

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their jobs.
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That's and that's why they have
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And I think with that in mind,
you're recognizing that

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everybody is is operating at a
pitch or at a meter that is much

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more like compacted.
You know what I mean, that

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there's no fluctuations in
people's behavior here.

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But within that sort of
paradigm, I think the

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performances are across the
board really, really good in

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this movie, man.
And I think that the Ruffalo

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blow up, they do such a great
job of explaining it when he and

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Rachel McAdams are sitting down
and I think they're drinking a

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beer together.
And he explains to her, like, I

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know that I left the church, but
I, I always had this hope, like

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deep buried inside me that one
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meant something to me, that it,
it would be a safe place for me.

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And this whole story has
essentially destroyed that hope,

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that dream, that safe place.
And it's like, oh, yeah.

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Like, this is something that he
didn't even realize how

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important it was to him until
they were like, you know, 3/4 of

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the way through investigating
this story.

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And I think that's why this
script really succeeds is that

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it gives its characters the
proper motivations and the

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proper understandings of the
world that they live in so that

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they feel, like you said, Bob,
just like incredibly real normal

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people.
I I also think about Brian Darcy

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James, he has a realization that
one of the Centers for like

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rehabilitation that they have
housed these pedophiles in is

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like 2 streets over from him.
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tracking shot following him as
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streets at night and stands
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And like, it's not as explosive
as Ruffalo's scene, but it he he

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gets that weighty, meaty, honest
human response to the the

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grossness of this of the subject
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I think let's kind of start down
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characters and work our way up
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So you mentioned Brian D'Arcy
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newsroom.
Really unsung performance and

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character 'cause he is just like
the quiet one, but he also has

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maybe the most profound little
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essentially next to one of these
centers and, and, and the way

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he's trying to deal with that
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And at one point he even goes in
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who's essentially his boss and
says, like, when can we start

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telling people?
Like I have friends who have

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kids in this neighborhood and
they have to, they just have to

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sit on that information.
And it it, it makes him a little

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queasy and it calls the audience
to question like, hey, like I

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understand how journalistic
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integrity work, but like, is
this really in the common good

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and interest to, to sit on this
kind of a story?

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It's a really great like they
use his character really well to

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help flesh out those ethical
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that it points back to what
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feeling very raw and authentic
when you compare it to something

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like The Imitation Game, which
is, you know, pursuing the

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Enigma machine.
And they finally break the code.

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information, otherwise the
Germans will realize that the

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code is broken.
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being like, like a death knell.
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overwrought.
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similar vibe of like we have
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on it for the for the common
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Spotlight than it did in
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Game, that which is way more
dramatic and but you know, both

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films are based on true
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All right, so moving on from
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talk just really briefly about
John Slattery, who plays Ben

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Bradley Junior, who I believe is
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at the Boston Herald or the OR
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Ben Bradley Junior is the son of
Ben Bradley, the very famous

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editor of the Washington Post,
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Watergate, you know, scandal
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Slattery in this movie is really
interesting.

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So this is like right, I believe
right after or right before Mad

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Men wrapped up and he was really
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He's never really made a huge
dent in Hollywood.

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I really do think that if I had
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that's I don't want to call it
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like you could slot anybody into
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It's it's this one because I
feel like he's just playing the

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guy from Mad Men, but they put
him in a more frumpy looking

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shirt and they said, OK, here
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I don't know.
Did you have any any thoughts on

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him?
I thought he was just OK.

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I, I've never been impressed
with him as an actor.

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You know, I, I watched the
entire Mad Men series.

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I thought he was good, not
great.

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The one confusing piece of this
script is that they make it seem

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like, and maybe I'm wrong on
this, to me it felt like they

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made him seem like the guy who
covered up the story in the

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first place, right it?
It seemed like it was going that

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direction.
So let's let's touch on this

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really quickly.
So very early on in the movie,

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they they are encouraged to
probe deeper into a story that

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was like on Page Six of the
paper about this priest who had

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abused children and maybe
possibly Cardinal Law knew about

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it.
And so they're starting to

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probe, and they talk to a past
victim of abuse who has a

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survivors network in Boston now.
And the guy basically says,

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like, I have a whole box of
stuff here.

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I sent this to you guys like
five years ago.

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You didn't do anything with it.
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the movie, there's another
revelation that a lawyer who

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seems like a sleazeball who's,
like, doing the church's dirty

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work, actually was trying to be
a whistleblower and submitted a

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whole list of names to the paper
as well.

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And that got buried.
And it seems like they are

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working their way towards this
revelation that John Slattery's

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character, you know, unknowingly
or knowingly, was the one that

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killed those stories.
And it just never goes anywhere.

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And in fact, like, it goes in a
different direction at the end

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of the movie.
But I feel like that revelation

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lands with so much more of a
thud because it feels like

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they're trying to manufacture
some sort of dramatic reveal

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here.
Yes, and I I didn't realize it

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until we started talking about
how natural this movie feels.

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I think that's why it feels so
weird is because it feels like

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the the scriptwriter, the
director who met would I guess

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it's the same person that right.
It feels like Tom McCarthy is

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trying to shoehorn in some sort
of drama into the story like,

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oh, their editor is actually the
one who killed it the first time

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and is he going to try to do
that again?

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And and it's like, no, Michael
Keaton just it was his story

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back in the day and he lost
track of it because he's a busy

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news man.
And like, I actually love leave

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Schreiber in that moment and the
the way he handles it with grace

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and basically is like, hey,
crazy stuff happens in the news

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world because we're really busy
and there's grace for that too.

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You guys are doing great work.
Now let's get this story out

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there.
I great, great scene from Leave

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Schreiber.
It just felt like there was a

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lot of time and energy wasted
throughout the rest of the film,

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making John Slattery the bad guy
when when he really wasn't.

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All right, let's talk about Liam
Schreiber because I think I've

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always loved him as an actor and
I feel like he is a pretty

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underrated actor.
He's done a lot of great work.

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He's, you know, been the the
headliner of a number of

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television shows.
He's been the headliner of a

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number of movies and yet he just
doesn't seem to have like the

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star power that one would think
for a guy that's been acting for

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2530 years now.
I think that his turn as Marty

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Baron is the supporting actor
nomination this movie should

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have gotten.
So Ruffalo gets nominated.

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I think that Liev Schreiber is
the guy that, like, understood

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the assignment better than
anybody else.

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Like, his character is a man of
very few words.

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He doesn't seem to have much of
A personality at all.

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And yet he is quietly like, the
moral compass of this movie

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where everybody else is, you
know, they've been too close to

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the story to recognize their own
moral failings until later on in

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the movie.
He is an outsider, just comes in

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and is like, no, we like, this
is our responsibility.

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Let's do this thing.
Absolutely dude.

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I, I was blown away by his
performance and you know, not to

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not to disparage anyone else, I
think he's the only person in

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this movie that I was like blown
away by.

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I think that when he looks at
Michael Keaton, I believe maybe

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it's John Slattery when he looks
at that one of those two early

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in the film and just so
incredibly gently says this

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sounds exactly like the story a
local paper should cover.

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I like the way he delivers.
That line is just so freaking

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good.
I I could not get over his

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performance in this movie and,
and the, the scene with oh,

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who's who plays the Bishop.
Oh, who does play the Bishop?

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Len carry you?
I'm not familiar with him, but

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yeah.
He is the patriarch in the TV

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show Blue Bloods.
That is the only reason I know

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of him.
He I thought that the scene

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between the two of them was so
freaking good.

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And when he opens up the present
and it's like a catechesis,

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like, you can feel like the
little bit of anti-Semitism.

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Like.
In the present, it's it's just

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freaking perfect.
And his response to it is like

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just kind of just could to stare
at it.

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It's such a great performance
from Liev Schreiber.

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I'm so sorry to to derail us
here.

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Let's talk about Len carry you
for two seconds.

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How am I not familiar with this
guy?

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He's been in so many movies.
He has one of those faces where

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it's like, I know I've seen this
guy before, but he was Tony

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nominated for the musical
Applause.

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He was in the Sondheim musical,
A Little Night Music.

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He also was the originator of
Sweeney Todd on Broadway.

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Like, no, yeah, my guy, what a
career.

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Unbelievable.
Wow, the original Sweeney Todd.

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He is Sweeney.
There you go.

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That's.
Wild.

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I so I've literally seen him as
a former police chief of New

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York City, and I've seen him as
a corrupt Archbishop of the

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Catholic Church.
There you go.

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Sweeney Todd didn't quite make
it onto my list of suspected

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roles.
All right.

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We've touched on Ruffalo.
Let's talk about Rachel McAdams

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because I think that she has a
really difficult ask in this

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movie, too.
She's the only woman in this

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movie, essentially.
I mean, she might actually be

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the only female person.
Except for like when when

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Michael Keaton goes over to his
buddy's house and his wife

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answers the door like.
It's or or when the when she is

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interviewing the one priest at
the door and he's just like,

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yeah, it touched kids.
And then his sister comes to the

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door and is like, get out of
here.

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It's.
A great Boston accent man, by

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the way.
Thank you.

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Yeah, Rachel McAdams, I think a
pretty thankless role once

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again.
She she has one of the more, I

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don't want to call it like a
boring character, but like I

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think that you are supposed to
really empathize with her and

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with Ruffalo's character.
And one of the bigger flaws in

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the movie for me was that maybe
it's because they're supposed to

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be like they're the 30
somethings.

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They're the ones we're supposed
to relate to.

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I just found myself way more
interested in Liev Schreiber and

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even Brian Darcy James's
characters than with either

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Ruffalo or Rachel McAdams
character.

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I I enjoyed Rachel McAdams.
I I think that she gets a decent

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amount of screen time and and
you're allowed to get to know

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her.
I I think her performance is an

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example of where the script is
so understated and so based in

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realism that she's not the most
interesting character.

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And, and it's like supposed to
be that way.

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And it's supposed to be just
this, you know, girl who lives

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with her grandma and goes to
church with her sometimes and is

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a reporter.
And that's kind of boring.

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And that's the whole point.
But it's also a little boring.

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Yeah, I will say though, like,
they they really pay that off

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though, because as you watch her
grandma read the article at the

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end of the movie and just like,
ask for a glass of water, that

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is like, what a crushing line,
dude.

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Because you know exactly what
that means.

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Like that woman's entire world
view has been shattered.

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Yeah, yeah.
And and that's like I said, we

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wouldn't totally get into the
the subject matter a ton, but

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like, that's the brutality of
what happened and why it needed

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to be uncovered.
Is that for better or for worse,

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the Catholic Church can and
should represent some of the

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most beautiful things on this
earth.

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And and that's why it's so
damning and so disgusting when

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you see the brokenness that was
uncovered.

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All right, man, let's finish up
this cast list.

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Michael Keaton is in this movie
The year after he is nominated

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for the Academy Award for
Birdman.

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And I always think that he won
it.

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And then I remember that Eddie
Redmayne won it that year.

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And so it.
I won't get into that,

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obviously.
Yeah, I think Keaton's fine

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00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,160
here.
I think that like, he's a really

449
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,920
good person to slot into a movie
where he has lines that are

450
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,360
like, come on, Jimmy, this is
our town.

451
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,000
We were, we're we're Boston
boys.

452
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,440
We grew up here.
Like, that's a great Michael

453
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,200
Keaton line.
I don't necessarily know if he's

454
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,640
like the perfect person for this
part, but I thought he was

455
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,000
pretty good.
I I think that this is like if

456
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,160
this was a more traditional All
the King's Men, Goodnight and

457
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,760
Good luck.
This is like a classic George

458
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,000
Clooney role.
I think because they are trying

459
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,400
to base it more in real life,
they need to get a less good

460
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,080
looking actor.
And so they got Michael Keaton

461
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,400
and like Keaton's fine, he, he's
decent.

462
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,120
I I don't know if there's
anything about his performance

463
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,880
that really stands out to me
though.

464
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,880
I respect that Michael Keaton is
always going to be Michael

465
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,080
Keaton in a movie, though.
And like, he has this, this

466
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,800
repressed manic energy.
You know, it's the thing that

467
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,040
made him such an interesting
Batman because he goes from

468
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,120
being really calm 1 moment to
like smashing the vase and

469
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,520
saying, you know, do you want to
get nuts?

470
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,920
Come on, let's get nuts.
And he's always going to have

471
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,640
that, like, right under the
surface as Michael Keaton, but

472
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,120
for such a long time.
You know, Bill Simmons makes

473
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,680
this comparison all the time,
But he talks about how, like,

474
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,560
Michael Keaton and Tom Hanks
were kind of neck and neck

475
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,040
throughout the 80s because they
were mostly comedic actors, and

476
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,160
they were trying to branch out.
And then all of a sudden, Hanks

477
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,120
took off.
And I think about like, if you

478
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:32,400
put Tom Hanks in this movie in
the Michael Keaton role, I think

479
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,600
it's a significantly worse movie
because Tom Hanks is going to

480
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,880
try to do the like, I'm taking
this very seriously, Tom Hanks

481
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,800
thing, and I listen, I love Tom
Hanks, but we talked about this

482
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,920
even in like our Captain
Phillips thing a couple months

483
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,960
ago.
Watching Tom Hanks try to play

484
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,280
realism is just something that I
don't think is really in his

485
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,720
catalogue anymore.
He's been a movie star for so

486
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,480
long that he can only act as a
movie star.

487
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,160
And I think Keaton's still able
to tap into the the energy of

488
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,160
like, I'm a guy from the streets
of Boston.

489
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,760
And it works so much better
here.

490
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,960
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of
like a Harrison Ford.

491
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,880
I was a Carpenter in Hollywood
for a long time trying to get

492
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,040
acting jobs.
And like you said, Tom Hanks.

493
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Is is Tom freaking Hanks like he
is a a bonafide a list movie

494
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,720
star.
I think Keaton, like I said, he

495
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,840
gives the role the right amount
of energy.

496
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,400
I I don't I think what I'm
trying to say is I don't know

497
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,480
what to do with this movie.
Bob I I like it.

498
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,000
I don't think I love it and it's
weird because the reason I don't

499
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:56,240
love it feels like it's not
movie like enough for me.

500
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,640
But it it's not trying to be
movie like it's trying to be

501
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,920
honest about a real life story
that only happened 12 years

502
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,280
before the movie came out.
So I I don't know if I want this

503
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,760
to be a more dramatic film in a
more classic Hollywood style,

504
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,480
but because it's not, there's
part of me that just feels like

505
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,960
it's a little bit inaccessible.
Yeah, it's it's.

506
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,200
Does that make sense?
It kind of reminds me in a very

507
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720
weird way about what I said
about Wolf of Wall Street was

508
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,720
that last week where I talked
about how Scorsese formatted

509
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,920
that movie like Don Quixote.
And it's like very purposefully

510
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,400
done.
But when you when you purposely

511
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,920
structure your movie that way,
like the inherent flaws of that

512
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840
decision also are like you're,
you're acknowledging like, all

513
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,400
right, my compromise is maybe
the ceiling on this movie is

514
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,400
like a nine and a half because
it's going to be 1/2 hour too

515
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,200
long.
And I kind of feel the same way

516
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,240
with this movie.
Like, yes, I, I feel less of a

517
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,320
visceral connection to it
because I'm used to my dramatic

518
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,520
movies being more overly
dramatic.

519
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,440
And so I feel like the decision
to make it a little more

520
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,600
understated was objectively the
right call for this material,

521
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,040
but it also like necessarily
lowered the ceiling of how good

522
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,760
the movie could be to like a,
you know, nine and a half, nine,

523
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,400
8 1/2, wherever you're at with
it.

524
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,440
It's weird because I I do
acknowledge that it's better

525
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,800
that they did it this way, but
it's just not going to feel like

526
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,120
as I'm not going to feel as
connected to it as a result.

527
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,760
The more we talked about it, the
more I think that if they were

528
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,520
going to make the, if they were
going to raise the ceiling for

529
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,640
this movie, I almost think they
needed to go more artistic with

530
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,000
the cinematography and like
maybe the lighting or some of

531
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,360
the design elements of it.
Because one of the very few

532
00:31:54,360 --> 00:32:00,320
moments where I noticed like a
choice by the director behind

533
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,760
the camera or the
cinematographer, whoever made

534
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:09,160
the choice, was when they are
talking to the expert from

535
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Maryland, I think from the Seton
Institute.

536
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,600
And he is telling them that
based on his stats, it should be

537
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,280
6% of the total priests.
And they realize that that

538
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,760
number is 90 instead of 13.
I, I don't know if you noticed,

539
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,280
but the camera like slowly zooms
out.

540
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,560
It, it doesn't move, it doesn't
pan, it does.

541
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,360
It just slowly zooms out till
the four reporters only take up

542
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:44,120
like maybe 20 to 30% of the
screen and the rest of their

543
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,560
cluttered empty office like
takes up the rest of the screen.

544
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:55,800
And it's a great camera shot to
emphasize how small they feel in

545
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,480
light of how huge this scandal
is.

546
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,040
And I, I wish there were more
things like that throughout the

547
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,200
film that feel like a, a little
bit more like a traditional

548
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,000
movie.
It's, it's not big or flashy or

549
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,760
showy, but it, it helps
highlight the magnitude of what

550
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,200
was going on in this film.
And, and I think if they did

551
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,560
more things like that and, and
maybe if they just had a few

552
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,400
more artistic, like, I don't
know, like a shot of Keaton

553
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,280
sitting on a bench in front of a
massive Catholic Church, like I

554
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,280
like, you know, maybe that's two
on the nose.

555
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,520
But, well, there is that one
shot where Rachel McAdams is

556
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,000
like interviewing somebody on
their front porch and then,

557
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440
like, the church is towering
behind the house.

558
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,240
And it's like, this is very on
the nose.

559
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,280
But also this is a really
accurate representation of how

560
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,360
much they feel like this.
The church is like breathing

561
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,320
down their neck at all times,
and they can't.

562
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,800
They can't escape it, you know.
Exactly.

563
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,760
And and so I just wonder if they
made a few more decisions like

564
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,600
that with the camera, if it
would have raised that ceiling

565
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,040
back higher than it than it is
with their folks.

566
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,120
It's not obvious enough.
That's what we're saying.

567
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,719
Make it more obvious, folks.
Come on.

568
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,800
All right, man, let's take a
break here.

569
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,239
Let's drink some whiskey.
What do you say?

570
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:25,159
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

571
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,400
checking out Green River
Kentucky straight weeded single

572
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,960
barrel bourbon.
Now, last week we tried the

573
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,320
standard Green River wheated a
whiskey that we both really

574
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,800
liked.
Brad, I am such a big fan of

575
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,320
Green River.
They are first and foremost like

576
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,280
among the most generous of
brands to work with.

577
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,960
And I don't just mean like they
give us stuff.

578
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,840
They're just like very
welcoming, very hospitable.

579
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,480
You know, they've got the
Bardstown team behind them and

580
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,080
the Bardstown team knows how to
treat people really well.

581
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,200
So just thank you, Green River,
for being cool to work with.

582
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,760
I will also say they are a brand
that within, you know, two years

583
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,440
has gone from being like, oh,
this is pretty good to they have

584
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,160
multiple labels now where I'm
like, oh, that's among the best

585
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,240
in its category.
Absolutely.

586
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,440
Yeah, there there's a book out
there, I think it's called like

587
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Unreasonable hospitality or like
Outrageous Hospitality.

588
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,800
And, and I'm pretty sure that
they have read that book because

589
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,720
they just treat guests
incredibly and that that's at

590
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,520
Bardstown, that's at Green
River.

591
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,600
I am so excited to drink this
single barrel today.

592
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,120
About yeah, me too, man.
So they have just come out with

593
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,680
this as a new skew.
Like I said, we tried the weeded

594
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,880
bourbon last week.
The single barrel variety,

595
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,880
depending on which barrel you're
drinking from or which release

596
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,840
you're getting, it could range
from anywhere from 110 to 130

597
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,720
proof.
The one we're trying today is

598
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:57,520
118.6 proof.
It is cask strength and it's

599
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,160
aged for a minimum of five years
now.

600
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,600
I do not currently have.
Oh yes, I do.

601
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,080
I stand corrected.
I have the mash bill, Brad.

602
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,480
Hey, 70% corn, 21% wheat, 9%
malted barley.

603
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Brad, I poured this out a long
time ago and it's just been kind

604
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,800
of sitting here in my glass
teasing me.

605
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,800
And the very first note that I
will give and then I'll turn it

606
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,880
over to you.
This is back to classic weeded

607
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,320
bourbon notes.
There is like a whole bunch of

608
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,520
cola on this thing and I am a
big, big fan.

609
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,040
Yeah, yeah, dude, the nose on
this is so beautiful.

610
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,040
There is tons of like
effervescent cherry cola.

611
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,840
It's Carmelie, there's oak and
there there's almost like a

612
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,120
cinnamon roll vibe going on.
Like you get a little bit of

613
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520
that cinnamon spice, a little
bit of frosting the the

614
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,680
sugariness of it.
I I really like this nose there.

615
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,920
There's nothing here that is
complex, but there's a lot of

616
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,080
great notes.
It is an 8 out of 10 for me.

617
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,720
I'm actually going to give it a
nine.

618
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,000
It has everything I want from a
weeded bourbon nose.

619
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,320
And once in a while, you know,
we or our guest will mention

620
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,400
something being perfumey.
This is one of the first times

621
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,840
that I really mean it.
And and like I can think of the

622
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,760
exact perfume that is coming off
of this.

623
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,000
It's super floral.
It's not quite like Chanel #5 or

624
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,960
anything.
It's more of frankly, it's more

625
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,080
of like an old lady perfume and
I dude, it's, it's the 9.

626
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,360
Out of 10, it's seriously know
what you're into Bob dude.

627
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,920
It's the amount of floral notes
on this that it's not just rose,

628
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,720
it's like really deep perfume
notes on top of classic caramel

629
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,760
and cherry cola.
I love this man. 9 out of 10 for

630
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,640
me.
I think I'm going to lower my

631
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,160
score knowing that it's a
grandma's perfume for you.

632
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,440
What can I say, man, I am into
the old ladies, Brad, and it's

633
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,560
coming out here today.
Are you are you starring in the

634
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,960
local production of The
Producers?

635
00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,880
What's going on soon, Bob?
Yeah, You know, we've talked

636
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,400
about Sweeney Todd.
We'll just go to the producers

637
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,600
now.
Oh man.

638
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,840
Well, moving on from that as
fast as humanly possible.

639
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:18,440
The palette here is delectable.
There is tons of caramel for me,

640
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,440
the cream cheese frosting is
there.

641
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,000
It gets into a little bit of
like a peanut butter vibe there.

642
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,880
There's almost some like toasted
almonds that comes through.

643
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,280
Just really a really pleasant
experience.

644
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,680
I'm going to come up a little
bit from my nose to an 8 1/2.

645
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Brad, this is an interesting
whiskey.

646
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,120
It's super prickly on the
palate.

647
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,040
I, you know, it's been a couple
weeks since we've had a barrel

648
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,520
proof whiskey, so maybe I'm just
returning to being more of a

649
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,320
lightweight, but it really packs
a punch on the tongue.

650
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,920
There's not as much of A
Kentucky hug after you swallow,

651
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,200
but we'll get to that in a
minute.

652
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,520
I think that I was expecting
something a little more viscous

653
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,560
here.
It's pretty thin on the

654
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,120
mouthfeel and it doesn't have
those like deep, dark, decadent

655
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,240
bourbon notes.
To me, it stays in that kind of

656
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,760
upper, brighter register.
The floral notes are definitely

657
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,240
there.
And then I think you get a

658
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,280
little bit more of like a raw
wheat note on this.

659
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,800
It's similar to the one we had
last week.

660
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,960
I do like it way more a barrel
strength though.

661
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,000
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2 on
the pallet.

662
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,960
I think the finish for me is
where it starts to fall off just

663
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,560
a little bit.
Still really great flavors.

664
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,360
It it, it falls into like kind
of like a honey wheat split top

665
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,880
bread there.
The cinnamon comes back.

666
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,040
There's a little bit of those
peanuts coming through.

667
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,600
It gets a little bit oaky at the
end.

668
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,240
I'll give it a 7 1/2 out of 10
year.

669
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,520
I still like the finish, it's
just a little bit of a drop off.

670
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,840
Yeah, I'm in the same spot, man.
It gets oaky and and like a

671
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,880
really heavy char.
On my first sip I got that and

672
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,320
then on the second sip it almost
turns a bit sour towards the

673
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,840
back end.
And that was a note that we had

674
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,160
last week on the regular weeded
bourbon as well.

675
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,960
I think I'm also going to come
down to A7 on the finish.

676
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,600
And then overall on balance, I
think I'll give it a 7 1/2.

677
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,320
There was definitely.
A drop from nose to taste to

678
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,080
finish, which is a little bit of
a disappointment, but it's not a

679
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,920
huge disappointment because this
is still a pretty solid whiskey

680
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,520
all around.
Yeah, I, I think I'll give it a

681
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,720
7 1/2 on balance, mostly because
it, it lacks a little bit on the

682
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:30,120
finish and and it's not an
especially complex whiskey,

683
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,320
although it delivers in all the
ways you want it to for a weeded

684
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,840
whiskey just doesn't have
anything that makes it like

685
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,760
really stand out.
But I, I think it's worth a 7

686
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,960
1/2 year on balance.
Now Bob, this is going to set

687
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:51,880
you back MSRP $60.00, which I I
think it's a fair price point

688
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,680
for a five year single barrel
product.

689
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,240
Yeah, it's barrel strength, it's
single barrel and it's a weeded

690
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,800
bourbon.
So they're in the category of

691
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,520
your rebels, of your wellers.
I think that in general five

692
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,600
year bourbon at $60.00, it feels
a little bit overpriced to me,

693
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,280
but that's also just kind of
where the markets at right now.

694
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,200
But I think I'll give this a 6.5
on value.

695
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,400
It's not a bad value, but I
either other green rivers that I

696
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,440
like better than this at a
similar price.

697
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,920
I give it a 7 out of 10 on
value.

698
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,360
I'm kind of in the same place.
I I think $60.00 is a little

699
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,440
much.
I think if this was a $50 bottle

700
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,480
I I would rate it more highly,
but there are a lot of other

701
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,760
options in this price range that
I'd probably recommend over it.

702
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:47,960
So I'll give it a 7 out of 10
and that is bringing me out to a

703
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,920
38.5 out of 50.
I'm at a 37.5, so we're coming

704
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,640
out to a 38 out of 50 or 76 out
of 100 on average.

705
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,560
I think that's a great spot for
this, Brad.

706
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,480
It's just barely over the
recommend mark for us.

707
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,280
And I don't really think that
it's because of the value.

708
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Like we said, it's a tad
overpriced or it feels just a

709
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,840
bit high.
But I think at the end of the

710
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,000
day, this is kind of just like a
very solid, respectable whiskey

711
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,360
from Green River.
It does not approach the the

712
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,800
king of their lineup for me,
which is that foolproof.

713
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,600
But once again, they just
continue to deliver really,

714
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,320
really solid offerings here.
Yeah, I absolutely love Green

715
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,240
River.
Aaron Harris is doing incredible

716
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,360
work over there.
And Bob, we, we need to make our

717
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,840
way down there sometime.
I completely agree.

718
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,080
I've been like in and around
where I guess around Owensboro a

719
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,680
whole bunch, and I've never been
able to make it to Green River.

720
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,200
So Aaron, let's make this
happen, dude.

721
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,800
All right, Brad, what do you say
we get back into talking about

722
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,880
Spotlight?
Let's get to it.

723
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,560
All right, everybody, That was
Green River Weeded single Barrel

724
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,440
bourbon whiskey that it's like
almost there.

725
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,480
I really, really like it.
I encourage you to try it.

726
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,880
I will say though, normally I
would have a quippy awesome,

727
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,800
perfect Segway into our Section
2 facts and a falsehood, but I

728
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,320
texted Bob about this earlier.
I don't know if I feel

729
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,880
comfortable making up facts
about a movie that covers a

730
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,720
topic like this.
And so we're actually going to

731
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:36,160
skip 2 facts in a falsehood
today, Bob.

732
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,040
The question is, do I receive an
automatic victory because of

733
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,360
your forfeit?
That's really what what this is

734
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,000
about, Brad.
I was thinking about that.

735
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,680
I think both of us like gain an
automatic loss for the fact that

736
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,800
the subject matter of this movie
happens under our religions

737
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,600
auspices.
That's true.

738
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,720
And that's that just kind of
sucks.

739
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,200
Yeah, man.
OK, so let's let's get back into

740
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,800
talking about the movie itself.
And I do think we obviously need

741
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,760
to touch on the subject matter a
little bit here.

742
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,360
But I grew up Catholic and I
grew up Catholic at the time of

743
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,920
the events of this movie, you
know, the 2001, early 2000 when

744
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,320
I was 10 years old.
And so it's, it's very, it's

745
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,880
weird and it's jarring to watch
a movie about the abuse scandals

746
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,000
in the Catholic Church that were
happening obviously long before

747
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,800
I was born, but that we're
breaking at a time where I was

748
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,480
at an age that a lot of these
children were victimized.

749
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,560
And it's, it's it's weird for a
lot of reasons, obviously.

750
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,080
But I think I was not shielded
from it.

751
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,080
And my parents were not super
religious.

752
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,640
My mom grew up Catholic and I
was just kind of culturally

753
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,720
Catholic and I was an altar boy.
But like we never were in the

754
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:59,240
group of people that I think
anyone who grew up Catholic

755
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:00,360
would know what I'm talking
about.

756
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,800
In every Catholic Church there
is like it, it is a, your

757
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,960
involvement with the church is a
status symbol.

758
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,720
And like the most involved
people in the church are usually

759
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:13,080
like among the wealthiest people
in the church because you get to

760
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,960
get up in front of the whole
church and read the

761
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,680
announcements or whatever.
And you do it in your best suit

762
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,880
and tie.
And I understand, like, I, I

763
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,920
look at a movie like this and I,
I'm not from Boston.

764
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,120
I didn't grow up in Southie or
wherever.

765
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,720
But like poor kids in
neighborhoods where there is not

766
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:34,400
much hope to get out, like rely
heavily on the church,

767
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,680
especially in heavily Catholic
areas.

768
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,520
And when that one kid was
talking about, you know, the guy

769
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,360
was saying like it was like God
coming to my house when the

770
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,240
priest came over.
You know, it's it, it's a real

771
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:48,720
thing.
And I think that people that

772
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,080
either don't grow up in
religious households and or

773
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,800
especially grow up Catholic,
it's hard for them sometimes to

774
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,080
wrap their mind around.
And it's, it's not even

775
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,160
necessarily that like people are
brainwashed or people are in

776
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,520
some sort of cults.
It's just it is so interwoven

777
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,760
with the social dynamics of
those areas that you can't

778
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,840
separate it from your day-to-day
life.

779
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,920
Yeah, I it, it, it might not
seem obvious to everybody in our

780
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,480
culture, but religion has
dominated the human experience

781
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,840
for the majority of human
history.

782
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:31,600
But like, the amount of time
that it hasn't is so vastly

783
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,640
small compared to the time it
has.

784
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,880
And so it, it might seem wild to
us, but you're right, Bob, like

785
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,800
the, like the, the way,
especially the Catholic

786
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,400
religion, because it is so
universal and worldwide, the,

787
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:54,320
the way it integrates itself
into a person's life is

788
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,560
holistic.
And, and I think, you know, what

789
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,840
I said earlier is true.
That's what makes this so

790
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:09,400
disgusting and so warped, is
that the church, when it's done

791
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,960
right and well, ought to be the
most wholesome and uplifting

792
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,000
integrative experience of a
person's life.

793
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,200
And yet it can be twisted into
becoming one of the most dark

794
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,600
and demonic.
And like, that's just, it's so

795
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,240
hard.
And, and I will say, like I, I

796
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:36,800
grew up Protestant and I do I, I
did not have an understanding of

797
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,560
how intense the Catholic Church
is until I got to college.

798
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,960
I got to know some, some people
who went to Walsh and were

799
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,440
devout Catholics.
I never realized how much of an

800
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,720
impact it had on people until I
was older.

801
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,840
Well, and I think that when you
look at the scandals of like the

802
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,720
evangelical church that you grew
up in, Brad, they, I mean,

803
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,840
they're power is at the root of
both of them and the abuse of

804
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,480
power, but they present
themselves very differently,

805
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,480
right?
It's, it's more about a cult of

806
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,400
personality with evangelicalism,
whereas it's about like a, an

807
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,320
oppressive systemic structure
with Catholicism.

808
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,920
And I think they do a really
good job of capturing that in

809
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,480
the movie.
Before we get out of here today,

810
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,160
Brad, There's like I've, I've
noted 3 scenes in the movie that

811
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,720
I found to be not just really
powerful, but also like really

812
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:32,720
instructive for how to, to view
the movie.

813
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,640
And I made mention of the first
one in the first half of the

814
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,320
episode.
But I want to bring it up here

815
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,600
because one of my favorite
performances in the movie is

816
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,320
from Billy Crudup, who we
haven't talked about on this

817
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,880
podcast in a long time since we
did Almost Famous.

818
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,560
Russell Hammond.
I love him in that movie.

819
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,760
I love him in this movie as the
lawyer, Eric McLeish, because

820
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,880
you think that they're setting
him up to be the sleazy,

821
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,840
arrogant, a hole lawyer.
And Billy Crudup is so good at

822
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:08,080
being like both really
vulnerable and easy to empathize

823
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,320
with and also really good at
playing cocky and arrogant.

824
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,640
There's just something about his
posture and bass that he can

825
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,760
play it both ways and he does it
in this movie.

826
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,760
They go to see this guy three
times.

827
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,480
The first time he's just getting
that information on how the the

828
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,960
church settles cases.
Then they learned that he was

829
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,640
the one settling a lot of these
cases.

830
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,000
So they go back and kind of
confront him and he's like, I

831
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,560
can't answer that.
I can't answer that.

832
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,920
They go back a third time and
and you think it's going to come

833
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,800
to a head with him.
And then he's like, you guys, I

834
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,640
tried to tell you all this.
And it's this moment where I

835
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,320
think the movie is doing a
really good job of telling you

836
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,400
as the audience, like, we are
not going to go for the easy,

837
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,960
like this guy's the villain
route because a, everybody's

838
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,160
complicit in this.
Even if you weren't aware, just

839
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,280
being around it made you
complicit in it and be like even

840
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,400
the people that you think had
had their hands in doing this.

841
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,680
We're trying to find ways to end
it, and either that structure

842
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,440
was oppressing them into not
being able to do it, or some

843
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,800
other system or structure like
the Boston Globe thwarted their

844
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,880
plans to do it.
I I thought that was a really

845
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,040
brilliant scene, Brad.
And I think for me, it's not I,

846
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,760
I think what this movie does
well is not that it just points

847
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,520
out the system having power.
It takes you through all of the

848
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,880
different people who are
supporting that system.

849
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,560
Because I, I, as somebody who
is, you know, a little more

850
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:50,120
conservative in his political
leanings, I find myself often

851
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,560
skeptical about claims of
systemic power and systemic

852
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,320
violence.
And not from the fact that it

853
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,160
doesn't happen, but from the
fact that systems are made-up of

854
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,760
people.
And, and it's all of these

855
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,120
people that have combined
together.

856
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:16,200
Whether it's through the
forgetfulness or the busyness of

857
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,640
Michael Keaton's character and
accidentally covering up the

858
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:25,920
story 5-8 years before, or it's
people who are actively covering

859
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,600
it up within the church.
Like it's not necessarily just

860
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,240
this giant system that is
covering everything up.

861
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,080
It's a bunch of individual
people.

862
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,480
And, and I think that's what
this movie does so well.

863
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,080
Is that it?
It almost wants to like drown

864
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,360
you with characters that are
hard to keep track of because

865
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:51,440
it's like this maelstrom of
people who are on the periphery

866
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,000
of what's going on.
And yet once you get to all of

867
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,200
the people individually, you put
together this massive picture of

868
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,520
brokenness and destruction and
and vile activity.

869
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,360
And and I think that's what's so
fascinating about it.

870
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,040
And you're right, Billy Crudup
is kind of at the center of that

871
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,800
within the this movie.
There is one stretch of the

872
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,280
movie where I feels, I feel like
it, it goes for old Hollywood

873
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,560
style filmmaking and it's a
montage basically like the night

874
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,040
before.
Maybe not the night before, but

875
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:31,360
there's a montage where these
children are at mass singing

876
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,840
Silent Night and Mark Ruffalo's
character like goes into the

877
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,120
back of the church and is
watching them and they're

878
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,680
intercutting it with the, the
daily lives of all of the

879
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,880
different reporters.
And it, it was like the moment

880
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,120
where you've been watching for
like an hour and 45 minutes,

881
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,800
probably of them doing like the
day-to-day work of journalistic,

882
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,120
you know, digging.
And you've seen some of the

883
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,240
faces of victims who have like
who are adults now talking about

884
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,320
their stories.
But it's really the first time

885
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,560
you're confronted with like
child aged children, you know,

886
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:15,080
who are maybe, maybe not victims
in this moment and no one knows.

887
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,400
And it's, it just crushed me,
dude.

888
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,360
The movie made me cry at a
couple moments.

889
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,840
And that was one of them because
it's, again, it's really

890
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,000
understated.
They don't go over the top.

891
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,040
There's nobody like looking at
the cameras talking about like

892
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:32,320
these children.
It's just you see small children

893
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,920
in a in a place that's supposed
to be safe for them and they're

894
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,160
not.
And it's like, dude, it, it

895
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,920
broke me, man.
Yeah, I, I think the moment for

896
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,600
me that really made me cry was
the absolute final little bit of

897
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:52,520
the movie when Keaton shows up
to the office that Sunday, that

898
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,800
the paper was delivered and the
front secretary is like, yeah,

899
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,360
it's weird.
It's been quiet in here, but it

900
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,480
seems like your office is really
busy and.

901
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,360
And he gets down there and every
single person in the room is

902
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,240
answering phone calls.
And I, I think it's Rachel

903
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,840
McAdams that just looks at him
and goes, it's all victims.

904
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:18,200
They're all calling in.
And I, I think that's the point

905
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:26,000
for me, that just crushed me of
like the power of an

906
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,000
establishment like the Boston
Globe giving voice to people who

907
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,160
have been broken and hurt.
That like, that's a place where,

908
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,360
once again, it's not even
necessarily that it's the

909
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,720
establishment of the Boston
Globe, although its reputation

910
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,280
is something that gives its
credence.

911
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,480
It's the fact that those four
reporters and their supporting

912
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:55,680
editors worked so freaking hard
and put in so much time and

913
00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:01,880
effort to uncover such a tragedy
that now all of these people are

914
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:06,800
able to come forward with their
stories, come forward with the

915
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,680
truth.
And if you look on the Boston

916
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,360
Globes website, you can like
look up the original story and

917
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,080
see there was like, I think it
was like 18 to 20 stories that

918
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,600
came out through that year about
all of this stuff.

919
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,000
I think they say in the final
credits that like over the

920
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,600
course of two years, they
published like 600 follow up

921
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,960
stories.
Like it was, it was a staggering

922
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,600
number of stories that came out
of this.

923
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,640
Yeah, I think for me, you know,
along the same lines, we haven't

924
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,800
even talked about Stanley
Tucci's character.

925
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,200
And I love Stanley Tucci to
death, but he's also like one of

926
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,000
those actors where in the same
movie, he is being like the

927
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,000
campiest person in the movie and
then can also just absolutely

928
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,720
blow everyone else off the
screen with how good he can be.

929
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,080
And he does that here like he's
wearing some sort of hairpiece.

930
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Or if he did grow his hair out
somehow for this movie, they

931
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,120
judged it up a whole bunch.
He's doing like the worst of the

932
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,040
accents of anybody in this
movie.

933
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,120
He's the most eccentric, but he
has this moment right at the end

934
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,880
of the movie where there's like
2 little kids in his office.

935
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,800
And Mark Ruffalo like came by
to, to give him a copy of the

936
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,160
paper.
And he's walking out and he

937
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,320
looks at Mark Ruffalo.
He says like both of these kids

938
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,680
were just abused 2 weeks ago.
And you can tell he's like about

939
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,600
to start breaking and he just
like puts his finger in his

940
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,760
chest and just like, just like
keep doing your work.

941
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,040
And he his hand drops and
there's so much like the weight

942
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,720
of the world is on this guy's
shoulders.

943
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,640
And it's such a good line
reading.

944
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,040
I just, I had to say something
because it also made me break

945
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,800
there.
You know, it's not necessarily

946
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:54,400
a, a cynical or a pessimistic
ending, but there is this

947
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,760
acknowledgement there tacitly
that like, this isn't over now,

948
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,160
like this isn't just going to
stop happening.

949
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,640
And there are people still out
there that are doing the work

950
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,640
every day of having to care for
these people whose lives have

951
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,520
been upended by it.
Absolutely.

952
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,840
And I think that one of the
reasons I like Stanley Tucci in

953
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:20,440
this film is that he has an
actual arc where at the start he

954
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:26,080
feels like he is completely
alone in trying to not only

955
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,440
expose what is happening, but
protect the people who have been

956
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,800
hurt.
And so he's so protective of his

957
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:38,800
witnesses and he does not trust
the globe to actually see it

958
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:44,000
through and do the job well.
And because of his relationship

959
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:50,160
with Ruffalo, he slowly begins
to trust him to to report on the

960
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,200
story.
Well.

961
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,680
And it all culminates in that
final, final scene when he, like

962
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,840
you said, he has his finger in
his chest and he tells him,

963
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,680
like, you keep doing this work,
You keep doing what you're

964
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,200
doing.
And then he walks into the room

965
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,440
and like the way he interacts
with the kids for like, you

966
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,720
know, 1/2 of a line that we hear
before the door closes, you just

967
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,760
go, oh, this guy is doing this
for all the right reasons.

968
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,040
And it's it's such a great
performance from Tucci.

969
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,600
The last thing I noted about the
movie, and it was the last thing

970
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,760
that made me cry, is the the
closing credits where they just

971
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,760
say, like, here are all the
places that scandals have been

972
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,000
uncovered.
And it's 3 columns on each

973
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,280
screen of probably, I don't
know, 20 names per column, city

974
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,840
names per column.
Yeah, I saw Cleveland, OH on

975
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,200
there.
You know, I saw Toledo on there.

976
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,400
It fades out.
It fades back in.

977
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,280
There's another 60 cities, and
then it fades out again and

978
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,240
fades back in.
And now it's global.

979
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,920
And it is, it's presented again.
So matter of factly, they're

980
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,320
not, it's not overwrought.
They're not overdue doing it and

981
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:03,240
just the the sheer volume of
names on that list is harrowing,

982
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,000
man.
It sucks dude.

983
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,120
It sucks a lot, Brad.
It like.

984
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:10,680
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.

985
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,800
And it's just such a hard movie.
And I think that like that I am

986
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,360
not in any way trying to steer
us towards something lighter

987
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,680
here, but I think this is
actually a very natural segue

988
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,240
into what I want to talk about
with our next segment.

989
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,720
Let's make it a double.
We're near the end of the

990
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,120
episode, so thanks listening to
the film and Whiskey show.

991
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,680
Let's have another film with
this one, even if it's

992
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,360
struggling.
It's the final segment of the

993
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,800
day.
Now let's make it a double.

994
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,560
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

995
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,680
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

996
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,640
feature.
Brad, you picked this movie a

997
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,080
few weeks ago and I'm going to,
I'm just going to run with it.

998
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,080
I'm going to go with Schindler's
List for this movie.

999
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,920
And I think it's literally just
the the list making element of

1000
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,600
it, that there's a moment where
Ben Kingsley's character pull

1001
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,040
the last sheet of the list out
of the typewriter and looks at

1002
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,080
Liam Neeson and says, like, the
list is an absolute good.

1003
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,600
The list is life, right?
And then in this movie you have

1004
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,880
a list of cities.
That are like in a list of

1005
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,480
priests, even in in the Boston
Globe's investigation that are

1006
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,760
the complete opposite of that,
that are like taking life and

1007
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:25,240
and marrying and obscuring what
is good about life.

1008
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,280
But I love that the, I love that
they just called this movie

1009
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,200
Spotlight.
Like, it's obviously an accurate

1010
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,840
representation of what the
Spotlight team does, but there's

1011
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,480
a reason that their team is
called Spotlight.

1012
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,320
Like they are shining a light on
something that has been hidden

1013
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,040
for far too long.
And so in its own weird way,

1014
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:48,080
like that list is also, you
know, bringing, I don't want to

1015
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,600
say restoration, but bringing
the attention needed for these

1016
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,600
people whose lives have been
broken to be restored back to

1017
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,040
life.
And so yeah, my my pairing would

1018
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,760
be Schindler's List.
That was the movie I had as

1019
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,280
well.
I, I was trying to find any

1020
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,520
other procedural movie, you
know, I, I feel like a lot of

1021
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,600
people would, would pair it with
maybe like a Zodiac.

1022
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,000
You know what I mentioned
earlier.

1023
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,560
Good night and good luck.
You know, there's obviously tons

1024
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,800
and tons and tons of movie
about, about such a thing.

1025
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,640
For some reason, though,
Schindler's List is what popped

1026
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,640
into my head as well.
And, and, and, and it's the

1027
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:30,520
power once again of individuals
who care about other individuals

1028
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:35,960
enough to do something about it.
And I think for me, it wasn't

1029
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:40,400
necessarily the list.
It was that idea of people going

1030
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,440
against the grain to care for
those who can't care for

1031
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,720
themselves.
And like that is what the church

1032
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,800
is supposed to be all about.
But like you can't read the

1033
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Bible and not see it saturated
with evidence that we ought to

1034
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,880
be the shepherds who care for
the sheep who are broken and

1035
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,680
lost that live in the darkness
and we need the light.

1036
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:15,000
It just I, I think this movie
gives us a picture of journalism

1037
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,400
truly at its best.
And I think it does such a great

1038
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,640
job of not the the director does
such a great job of not

1039
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:28,040
editorializing.
It just presents you with here's

1040
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,400
the story that was found.
Here's how they went about

1041
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,400
exposing the story.
And here are some of the

1042
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,600
results.
And you know, we we've talked

1043
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,240
about the Big Short a few times
throughout this season in

1044
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:47,080
addition to watching it.
And I think I I continue to sour

1045
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:51,560
on that movie because it feels
like Adam McKay was

1046
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,720
editorializing.
He like he was trying to give

1047
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,880
his spin on how he views the
world.

1048
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,760
And and Tom McCarthy here just
allows the reality to stand for

1049
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,280
itself and sink into you as you
watch the film.

1050
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,880
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Brad, let's get into final

1057
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,320
scores here.
You know, we said in the first

1058
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,640
half that the decision for how
to frame this movie was the

1059
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:37,600
correct one, but then it also
kind of put a cap on how much I

1060
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,080
could get into it.
It feels very weird talking

1061
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:43,000
about a movie with this subject
matter that like like that I

1062
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,360
wanted this story to be more
entertaining.

1063
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,640
You know what I mean?
Like, I feel like a hypocrite

1064
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,680
saying that.
I do think that like, if I'm

1065
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:56,080
thinking objectively, how well
done, how well made is this

1066
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,160
movie?
I think it's a nine out of 10.

1067
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:04,360
If I'm talking specifically
about like the extent to which I

1068
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,800
like vibed with this movie, I
think it's like an 8.

1069
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,120
I think it's like a really,
really good 8 out of 10.

1070
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,480
So I'm going to split the
difference.

1071
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,720
I'm going to give this an 8.5
out of 10, Brad.

1072
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,600
I'm kind of in the same place.
I, I think this is an 8 1/2 out

1073
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,440
of 10.
I think it's a really important

1074
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,640
movie about a about a
extraordinarily important event

1075
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,640
in human history.
I just don't, Yeah, like you

1076
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:34,760
said, I, I don't know if I vibe
with the movie to, to give it

1077
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,000
like a 10 out of 10, but I think
it's an extraordinarily

1078
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,360
important movie that that
everybody should watch.

1079
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,440
And I, I think it's helpful that
I think the movie takes faith

1080
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:51,000
seriously.
I think it takes the important

1081
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,840
things that the church does do
seriously and allows that to

1082
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,880
stand as like a testament to how
dark the subject matter is.

1083
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,680
So, So yeah, I'm.
I'm with you, Bob. 8 1/2 out of

1084
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,080
10.
All right, so it's an 8.5 from

1085
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:07,760
us, but we'd like to know what
you think.

1086
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,040
Have you seen Spotlight?
You know, did it deserve to win

1087
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,280
Best picture?
Is it better than a movie like

1088
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,600
The Revenant or like Mad Max
Fury Rd.

1089
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,840
You can let us know by reaching
out to us at any of our social

1090
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,120
media accounts, Facebook,
Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, or

1091
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,880
YouTube at Film Whiskey.
Or you can join the conversation

1092
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,640
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1093
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,600
end of every single one of our
show notes.

1094
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,240
Next week we're going to be
joined by special guest Noah

1095
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,720
Gettel, a guy we haven't talked
to in quite a while, Brad.

1096
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,480
I'm excited to bring him on and
talk about one of his favorite

1097
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,960
movies of the last 10 years,
Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a

1098
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,680
Time in Hollywood.
So join us for that next week,

1099
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,800
but until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1100
01:05:49,840 --> 01:06:15,680
And we'll see you next time.
Music.