Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse / George T. Stagg Bourbon

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In 2018, Sony Animation Studios
and star Shameek Moore gave the

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world a flashy new entry into
the webbed world of Spider Man.

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In 2024, we hop aboard the BTAC
bandwagon.

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The film is Spider Man into the
spider verse.

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The whiskey is George T Stagg.
We'll review them both.

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This is.
The Film and Whiskey podcast

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music Welcome to the film and
whiskey podcast, where each week

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we review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

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And this is week number three of
our new season where we are

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exploring modern classics and
we're asking the question, does

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this movie deserve to be part of
the 21st century Canon?

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Brad, we're 2 movies in and
we're about to review 1/3.

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How are you feeling about our
selection so far?

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To be honest, Bob, I feel like
we started at the top and then

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like we tumbled down into like
Green Book territory.

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Very much so, Yep.
Right, like a good movie, fun,

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well made, well crafted, good
script.

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But like, definitely in the
annals of like, Oh yeah, that

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was a movie territory.
And now Bob, this week I feel

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like I heard more about Spider
Man into the Spider verse than

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almost any other animated film
since Frozen.

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Yeah, I I mean this one took the
world by storm and as per the

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use, I did not see it.
So I don't mean to be the

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revisionist history guy here,
but I was just going through the

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Wikipedia page for this movie.
And by the way, folks, we're

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reviewing Spider Man into the
spider verse today.

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Just going through the Wikipedia
page and it said it only made

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like 390 mil worldwide, which is
hilarious that I have to say

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only but I really thought that
this movie was a global

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phenomenon and in the USI think
it made like 190 or something.

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It it was it wasn't anywhere
near what your worst MCU movie

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was doing at the time.
And so I 'cause I also remember

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it being like, Oh my gosh, this
is something new.

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This is something fresh.
This is something we've never

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seen before in the realm of
superhero film.

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And I think that when the second
movie in this franchise, Across

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the Spider Verse came out in 23,
that people kind of like

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retroactively read back onto
this movie that these had been

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huge, enormous hits.
And this movie was a hit, but

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apparently not as many people
saw it as you.

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And I remember.
It's like the the Berenstain

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Bears Mandela Effect thing
happening a little bit.

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I still don't totally understand
the Mandela Effect.

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Like I've, I've looked up
multiple instances of it, you

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know, like the Berenstain Bears.
And I'm like, I, I think that

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people just misremembered
things.

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Yes.
But why?

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Why do people freak out about
that?

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I think, I think people just
like to think that they're more

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important than they are.
And so if, if, if lots of people

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misremember something, it can't
just be that we are all human

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and fallible and that certain
things are just easy to

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misremember.
It's that there has to be some

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sort of global conspiracy
causing us to misremember.

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It's like the what was the the
Ashton Kutcher movie, the the

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butterfly effect?
Yes, is is that is that what's

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happening here?
Dude, I'm so glad that you knew

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'cause when you start a sentence
with what was the Ashton Kutcher

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movie, I got nothing.
I don't know man, you're on your

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own here.
Have we ever reviewed an Ashton

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Kutcher movie on this?
Podcast don't believe so, man,

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and we're going to keep that
streak alive.

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We need to make that a priority.
Bob, I don't think so.

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All right, dude, let's talk a
little bit about Into the Spider

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verse.
Brad, what is your history with

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this movie?
You said you had never seen it,

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so was this your first time
watching it?

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God no, I still have not seen
the movie.

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Just just coming in blind, baby.
Truly, truly blind.

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You're just.
You're just posting on Vibes

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today.
No, I, this was my first time

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watching it.
I was able to watch almost all

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of it in one go.
I, I think I, I had to stop for

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a little bit.
I think that my first time with

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this movie being this viewing,
I, I was thrown off by the

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animation style for a little
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I still don't know if it's my
favorite.

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I like, I can see how a lot of
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don't know, there was something
about it that just didn't

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totally work for me.
And that's like totally OK.

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I, I still think it's like a
beautifully made movie, but I, I

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don't know if this is like too
harsh out of the gates.

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I just don't know if I love the
animation style.

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So I'm kind of with you in
especially on my first viewing,

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I saw this movie in the theater,
and I think I've told you this

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before, but the final stretch of
that last battle in the particle

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Collider legitimately gave me
motion sickness.

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I've never had this happen in a
movie before.

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I was, I was seriously nauseous
leaving this film and I couldn't

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make heads or tails of what I
had just seen because it was so

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much of A sensory overload.
But I do remember the uniqueness

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of the animation style, and this
is something that came up again

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last year with the sequel film.
I think we might as well, even

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before we dive into Brad
explains, let's talk a little

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bit about this animation style,
why it may or may not work

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because it really does set the
tone for the whole conversation

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we're going to have today.
Because this is the animated

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Spider Man.
Like this is the one we're going

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to talk about.
It's what sets it apart from

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other Spider Man films.
The fact that they're live

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action in this one is not.
So at one point, this movie had

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177 different animators working
on it.

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It is like whether it looks
cheap to you or not, Brad.

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And I bring that up because at
one point you sent me a text

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that said this movie looks
cheap.

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And I kind of get what you're
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But it's also like, well, it
might look a certain way, but it

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looks that way on purpose
because I know you don't have

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that many people animating.
And unless there's an intent

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behind it, one of the cool
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they they're, they call it
stepped animation or stepped

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motion, where they will animate
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characters in a scene in 24
frames a second, which is your

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standard frame rate for
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where your eye can stop
perceiving the differences

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between frames and it all flows
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Other characters they animated
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per second so that they were
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And it gives it kind of that
jittery stepped look to it.

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And I like it's it's kind of
disorienting and, you know, you

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kind of notice that it's
happening, but you can't put

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your finger on it.
And then you read about it after

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the fact and you're like, oh,
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They they do it a couple times
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effect.
They animate the main character,

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Miles Morales, in 12 frames a
second and all the other spider

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man in 24 as a way of showing
like how much more fluid they

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are with what they're doing.
It's interesting.

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But again, like it's such a
different, unique, sometimes

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weird, sometimes off putting
animation style that I can

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understand why someone's
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this.
I don't like this.

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Yeah, it reminds me of when I
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theaters and it literally felt
like Bilbo was in like 1.5 X

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like sprinting around his little
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Because of the high frame rate
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Yeah.
And, and so I, I kind of

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experienced that in this movie,
but like you said, it was like

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half the screen was going too
fast and half of the screen was

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going too slow.
And I just, I like within the

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confines of this movie
specifically, it makes sense why

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they do this.
I I just don't know if it's

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totally for me.
Yeah, and that's totally OK.

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You know what I mean?
Like there's and there's

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elements of this movie that are
so influential now, but I've

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seen them replicate this when
when the most recent Puss in

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Boots movie came out that was
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last year, they do this exact
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There's a movie coming out or
that has just come out called

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The Wild Robot, and they really
replicate the sort of watercolor

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look of that children's book.
But it reminds me a lot of how

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they do the the weird textures
on things in Spider Man Inside

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Out to a movie that I really
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It's kind of crazy that Pixar is
now like following somebody

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else's trend.
But there are characters in that

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movie that are animated in
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that are just like pasted into
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So in we know within this movie
you've got the frame rate thing,

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you've got in Miles Morales, his
dimension.

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Everything kind of has that
weird video game glitch thing

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where all the edges are multi
colored and that's kind of

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disorienting.
It almost looks like when you

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are watching a 3D movie and you
take your glasses off and they

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have that weird glitch effect to
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And then you also have different
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character.
Some of them are like anime,

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some of them are Looney Tunes.
And then you have like 3D style.

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So it's it's a lot to take in
and that's kind of setting us up

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for this conversation today.
I.

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Was going to say you you
mentioned the animation, the

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fact that it is animated as
setting it apart from all the

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other Spider Man.
I think the real thing that

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separates it is the fact that we
have John Mulaney in a Spider

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Man movie.
Not just in a Spider Man movie

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as Spider Man.
Yeah, oh, spider ham he is.

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Technically, yeah.
I, I, I keep forgetting.

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Is it spider ham or spider pig?
Spider ham?

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Spider ham.
OK, Yeah.

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I think spider pig.
You're thinking of Homer Simpson

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holding the pig.
Up to the ceiling does whatever

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a spider pig pig does.
All right, man.

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Well, now that we've brought up
The Simpsons, I think it's a

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good place to actually get to
our first segment of the day,

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which we call Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
sticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and do your take with
this little segment that we

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call, Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
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Brad, you've seen this movie one
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I actually don't think this is
going to be a very hard movie to

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explain.
It's more visually overwhelming

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than narratively overwhelming.
So you get 60 seconds, spoil

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this movie for us and go.
Miles Morales is a mild mannered

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young man in New York City who
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Oh, I I missed the opening Bob.
I was going to say.

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Spider Man Into the Spider Verse
is a film about a mild mannered

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young teenager named Miles
Morales who is bit by a

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radioactive spider while tagging
an underground subway stop with

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his uncle.
He becomes a new version of

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Spider Man soon, upon which
realizing that the real Spider

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Man needs his help and in the
process of helping him, the real

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Spider Man dies, killed by
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Miles seeks to undo the damage
by enlisting the help of five

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other spider versions who have
entered into his realm because

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of what Kingpin has done to try
to bring his dead wife and child

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back.
Training ensues, battles galore,

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and at the end of the movie,
Miles Morales has embraced his

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new role as Spider Man.
OK, where shall we start?

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I think maybe a good place to
start is to just give a little

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bit of context around the
production of the movie.

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So this movie is produced by
Phil Lord and Christopher

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Miller.
Lord and Miller have become

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pretty famous film producers
over the last decade.

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They are comedy producers and
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Originally they kind of made
their bones with the 21 Jump St.

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movies, which were like, I don't
know how to how to quite explain

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it.
What do you call those

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revisionist?
I guess 21 Jump St. was a sitcom

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with Johnny Depp or not even a
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It was a drama, a police drama
with Johnny Depp back in the

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80s.
And they made it a buddy cop

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stupid funny movie with Channing
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So then they're like, hey, Lord
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do now?
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Lego Movie.
Then they make the Lego Movie

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and all of the Lego spin off
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really set the tone for what a
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was going to be.
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Meatballs was in there as well.
These are like, just like a

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Bruckheimer and Don Simpson type
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Kind of in that they have like
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Like these are mile a minute
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I actually really don't like the
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it's it's too much.
It's like the way this movie is

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visually overwhelming.
They're doing so much so

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frenetically with the comedy in
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we throw 87 jokes at you per
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right?
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movies.
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the more, for lack of a better
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movie, kind of bleeding into
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And I have to say, like, just to
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really refreshing was, yes,
there were a couple of those

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moments.
There was almost that like

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Deadpool style humor where
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and acknowledging things like
can we legally say that in this

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movie?
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at those, but I was, I found it
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a Lego movie nor an MCU movie in
terms of how they approached the

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humor.
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here is they take relationships
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Spider Man of the film.
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really like about this movie,
it's that they really take

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seriously the origin story of
Spider Man and not necessarily

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like comic book, let's get the
origin story right.

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I'm talking about like the
origin story of the Spider Man

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cinematic experience.
Like at this point, if you make

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a new Spider Man movie, The
first time your new Spider Man

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like gets the hang of swinging,
he has to let loose with a

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massive like woo as he's
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did it and he did it so well.
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like that that draw you into the
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And and that's where Spider Man
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that underneath the mask, he's a
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us.
And he has real relationships

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that are put at risk that become
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found powers.
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that like subtext, the
foundational element of what

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makes a Spider Man movie a
Spider Man movie, that they

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capture that really well here.
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make controversial statements,
but I'm going to This is by far

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the most successful kind of
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Man as a character since the
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Man, especially in just echoing
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is a genuine loser.
He's he's really sad.

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He's unsure of himself, He
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He's bad around girls.
He feels in this movie he's like

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socially awkward because he's in
a new environment where he feels

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othered and you know, like the
the Tom Holland spider man

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movies never captured that like
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but like a pretty cool guy.
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I don't even want to talk about
how they portrayed Peter Parker

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like.
I was gonna say the Tom Holland

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one, they gave him a more
awkward, less cool sidekick,

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right, You know?
To make him look cooler.

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Yeah, so.
It's hard to imagine him as the

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nerdy one like the Tobey Maguire
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You know James Franco is the the
cool guy who like Stoops down to

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befriend Peter Parker.
Well, I mean, I think the the

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best analog to this movie in
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to is the first Tom Holland 1
Spider Man Homecoming, where so

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much of that film is built
around his high school

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experience and asking a girl to
homecoming.

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But it never captured like both
the the cringe of knowing that a

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guy is about to blow something
when he's talking to a girl and

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also like that, Oh man, I
remember what this was like.

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You know what I mean?
Like I I so sympathize with this

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kid.
And the second you get Miles

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Morales in this movie, putting
his hand on Gwen Stacy's

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shoulder and trying to do the
hey and it just not working at

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all.
It's really funny, but it's

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incredibly endearing and I think
even be before we get to

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anything else surrounding this
movie, I think the reason this

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movie succeeds is that they
capture that again, which was

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something we hadn't really seen
since Raimi.

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Yeah, at the end of the day,
like there's a really beautiful

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characteristic of the Spider
Man, the, the, the world of

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Spider Man that this is a I
don't know how I want to phrase

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it Like it's not a perfect
world.

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Like this isn't Superman who's
perfect in every way and can

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solve every problem.
It's not Batman who's this

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grizzled veteran, you know,
detective with his great

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intellect and and all these
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Like you just kind of have a kid
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And I, I think that they do a
really wonderful job of

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portraying that in the character
of Miles Morales.

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I I think for me that some of
the side elements of the movie

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feel very lacking, like they,
they need fleshed out more.

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So I, I I think that's like one
of my few issues is like, you

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don't know anything about his
uncle.

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Like his uncle is are are we in
spoiler territory?

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Yeah.
OK for that, Bob.

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Yeah.
His uncle is just suddenly one

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of the bad guys and you're like,
they're like, do they give the

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impression that he might not do
everything legally?

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Like like sure you know him and
his dad, Sorry his uncle being

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Miles Morales, his uncle and
Miles dad kind of don't see eye

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to eye but there is no
impression given that he's going

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to be one of the main villains
and then once you find that out

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he's dead like 2 minutes later
and you never find out any

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reason why he became a villain
and it just felt very rushed.

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Interesting.
See, that didn't bother me too

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much because I think that, you
know, you, you can't take the

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context out of what's going on
too, which is like, this is the

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first Spider man that has been a
person of color.

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And he lives in New York City.
His dad's a cop.

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So like, there's already that
layer of like, oh, there's,

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there's tension there.
And then they hit you with,

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yeah, he says something about
like how how great of a guy his

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uncle is.
And they cut back to the dad and

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he's like, so you know that he's
up to something, probably

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illegal.
And of course, like you're

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thinking, OK, maybe he's selling
drugs.

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Maybe he, you know what I mean?
Like he, he somehow came by his

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means illegally.
And I really like the reveal

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that he is in fact, the is it
the Prowler that they call him?

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Yes, I, I really liked that.
You know, you get to him like

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chasing Miles into his uncle's
flat only for him to take the

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mask off.
And it's his uncle.

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And I, I really liked that
reveal.

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I thought that they withheld it
exactly as long as they needed

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to because Miles finds out, you
know, a day and 1/2 or whatever

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before the big confrontation
where his uncle was killed.

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But that becomes his Uncle Ben
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And I like that.
It's a subtle kind of inversion

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of like Uncle Ben in the
dimension that we're used to was

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this paragon of virtue.
Where has Miles Morales Uncle

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Ben was a supportive uncle and a
good guy in terms of like

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encouraging Miles, but was
actually a villain.

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And I I really liked that
reveal.

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I liked that kind of twist and
that subversion of what we're

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used to.
I'm with you in that like

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they're trying to do a lot with
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Like they're trying to set up
the origin story.

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They're trying to set up who
Miles Morales is over against a

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Peter Parker.
And then they're also like, by

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the way, this is a multi
dimensional, what do you call

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it, multiverse movie?
And this was, this was like the

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first multiverse movie.
This is before we did

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multiverses in the MCU.
So it wasn't like we were all on

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the same page and knowing
exactly what this was going to

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look like when we walked in the
theater.

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I don't know, Brad, like now on
the other side of all this

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multiverse stuff, and I know
that you're not a big MCU guy,

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Do you feel like they did a good
job with the mechanics of the

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interdimensional stuff?
Oh 100% I think that they do the

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perfect amount of not
explaining.

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Yep like all they do is explain
why Fisk is looking to make this

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happen.
Kingpin like and that's all you

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need at the end of the day.
Unless you are writing a true

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science fiction movie, in which
case then you would be

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interested in the how?
The only thing a writer, in my

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opinion, esteemed screenwriter
that I am, the only thing that I

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think you should care about when
it comes to technology is not

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how it works.
It should be why it is coming

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into existence in the first
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How does this affect the movie?
Yeah, exactly.

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And, and the character of
Kingpin lost his wife and child

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in traumatic fashion and that is
why he tried to create this

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particle Collider to open up a
multiverse and suck in another

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version of his wife and kid so
that he can have them back in

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his life.
Yep.

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I'm like, yeah, that that is an
understandable reasoning.

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And honestly, they don't go any
further in developing Kingpin's

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character, and they don't need
to.

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It's kind of brilliant how,
like, some of these characters

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are frankly underwritten, but I
wouldn't call them underwritten

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because they give them exactly
as much back story as you need.

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Like the the Doc Ock character
in this movie is probably the

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most underwritten character of
all of them because you just

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don't know anything about her
except that she's a kooky

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scientist.
And it's like, yeah, that that

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checks out.
Like, I've seen enough Spider

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Man movies to know kooky
scientists are a thing in this

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universe.
So I I really do think that

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while they're trying to do a
lot, there wasn't really a point

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in the movie where I found
myself saying, oh man, I wish

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they'd developed that more.
They spend exactly as much time

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as they need to on pretty much
everything here.

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Yeah, and, and it's, it's an
interesting view of the world.

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The underlying picture of the
world is like, no matter what

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happens in a world where Spider
Man exists, there are going to

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be people who rise up as
villains in his world.

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And sometimes that's going to be
a woman who becomes Doc Ock and

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sometimes it's going to be a man
who becomes Doc Ock.

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Like one time it's Alfred Molina
and another time it's Katherine

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Hahn.
You just, you never know how

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it's going to go down, man.
Yeah.

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And and that's kind of the
inverse of that is like the last

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lines of the movie too, which is
like anybody can wear this mask.

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It could be you.
And if if you've never heard

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anybody tell you that, now you
know.

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And I know.
That means Bob anybody can be

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the villain.
Yeah, that's true.

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I want to talk a little bit
about how adult this movie feels

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at parts and why I loved that.
Not an adult in that like, oh,

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this is my grown up superhero
movie, which is what, you know

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what dude Bros have been trying
to do for 15 years now?

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Like it's very much still APG
movie, but it's APG movie where

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people get shot to death and you
feel the kind of blunt impact of

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a bullet and how at one point
Spider Man like rips a gun out

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of Kingpin's hand and says like,
no, that's cheating.

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And it's funny because, you
know, in most superhero fights,

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it's like pretend Pew Pew.
We're shooting lasers out of our

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Iron Man hands and like, yeah,
things die, but nothing ever

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feels real.
Everything feels so weightless.

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And in this movie, it's an
animated movie that that feels

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so much more weighty than
something like your Tom Holland

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Spider Man films, which are live
action movie where the levels of

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violence are cartoonish.
And I've just I was really

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struck by how a cartoon managed
to depict a a much more kind of

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grown up.
I keep saying weighty, but like,

446
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what's what's a what's a good
word for it?

447
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,680
You know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, no, I mean, you have

448
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,040
Spider Man die in this movie.
Like he is literally bludgeoned

449
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,360
to death by Kingpin and like
that's brutal.

450
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,640
And you see people get shot and
killed in this movie and that's

451
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,080
brutal.
And and they don't do any, they

452
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,760
don't have any efforts to like
hide how weighty all of this is.

453
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:36,200
And I, I think that the, the
animation of the film gives

454
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,760
credence to all of it because I
think if there is something they

455
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,080
nail in the animation, it's
everybody's faces.

456
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,600
Like there's something about the
way they draw the lines on their

457
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,200
face and their their noses and
the wrinkles on their forehead

458
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,880
and the cheeks that like man,
these people feel real and their

459
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,960
emotions feel real.
And then on the inverse side of

460
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,320
that, I think animation is
actually a great world for

461
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Spider Man to exist in.
Because like, as much as I love

462
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,400
me some Alfred Molina Doc Ock,
like I think those movies look

463
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,240
great as live action films.
Like Kingpin is a great

464
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,560
character to be animated.
Like he he's literally this

465
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,680
teeny tiny little head that's
placed way too low on these

466
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,720
massive shoulders covered in a
black suit that just looks

467
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,440
incredible in this movie.
Yeah, I mean, he really does.

468
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,280
The fact that he's creating a
black hole is not an accident.

469
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Like that's what his his
motivation is.

470
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,880
But then half the time he's on
screen, he's completely filling

471
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,120
the frame with how large his
body is.

472
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,240
And it looks like a black hole
on screen.

473
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,920
Like it's it's a really cool
touch.

474
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,160
Brad, before we go to break, I
do want to talk about the cast

475
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,560
of this movie because a, the
cast is just absolutely stacked.

476
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,240
But I've started noticing
things.

477
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,640
And I think it's because you and
I have recorded so many episodes

478
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,680
of this podcast now.
But like every now and then I'll

479
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,360
I'll have to send you a script
or something and I'll say, hey,

480
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,520
we need to do an ad read.
Can you take 2 passes at this

481
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,800
list of bullet points and you'll
send back a recording of

482
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,120
yourself.
And sometimes it sounds like

483
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,880
when you and I are just shooting
the breeze on an episode.

484
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,440
And sometimes I can tell, like,
your, your, your voice is a

485
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,280
little bit quieter and you're
reading it kind of in your NPR

486
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,440
voice.
And I.

487
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,000
And when I hear that, I'm like,
oh, I can tell that his children

488
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,760
are probably napping upstairs
and he's trying to like, do the

489
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,880
ad read.
But like, and again, like,

490
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920
there's nothing wrong with that.
But you start to notice like the

491
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:44,720
subtle differences in tone and
like, gravitas in your voice.

492
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,080
And that's one of the things I
love about the voice

493
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,080
performances in this movie.
A couple people are going big,

494
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,840
like Katherine Hahn is being
Katherine Hahn as a super

495
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,040
villain.
But then you've got like those

496
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,000
moments where something
seriously emotional has happened

497
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,320
to Gwen Stacy or to Miles or to
whoever it might be.

498
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,320
And it's almost like you can
tell that they instructed the

499
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,120
actor doing the line reading to
get so much more closer to the

500
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,080
mic and, and it's like this
tender kind of moment.

501
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,400
I was really blown away by a lot
of these vocal performances,

502
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Brad, because they really do run
the gamut of dynamics in that

503
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,920
way.
Are you a big New Girl fan, Bob?

504
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,000
I like New Girl a lot and I hope
that this is going where I think

505
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:35,400
it's going, Brad.
I had a hard time for like the

506
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:42,200
first 35% of the movie, 40% of
the movie getting down with Jake

507
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Johnson as Peter B Parker 'cause
I all I could hear was Nick.

508
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,320
Sure, like like that is the only
thing I could hear.

509
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,840
And somewhere around the halfway
point of this movie, he

510
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:03,560
transformed into like the
perfect older, got a bit of a

511
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:09,080
beer gut Peter Parker and I
completely like he just

512
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,320
transformed into Spider Man for
me and it was perfect.

513
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,280
It is an unbelievable
performance, dude.

514
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:19,440
It's, and I think part of it is
because he's not doing Nick

515
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Miller in the first half hour,
but they're having him be way

516
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,240
too jokey, way too flippant.
I mentioned Deadpool a little

517
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,640
bit ago.
They're having him do like the

518
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,040
Ryan Reynolds Deadpool shtick
for the first half hour.

519
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,320
And I was like, I was not down
with it either.

520
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,720
And it's kind of once you start
to realize that he's doing that

521
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,560
jokiness as a way of pushing
aside and pushing away his own

522
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,480
inner demons as a character,
Even when he's narrating to us,

523
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,640
the audience, you know, you
don't realize he's doing that at

524
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,360
1st.
And once his story starts to

525
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,000
unfold a little bit and you get
those vulnerabilities that Jake

526
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,080
Johnson can bring to this
character, even like the most

527
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,080
obvious line reading at the very
end of the movie where Miles

528
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,040
wants to send him back to his
world.

529
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,720
And he seems like hell bent on
not going back 'cause he's

530
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,720
scared.
And you know that the line about

531
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,680
it being a leap of faith is
going to come back.

532
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,480
But the way he delivers it is
such a little surprise.

533
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600
Like, you think he's going to
go, you're right.

534
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,480
It's a leap of faith, you know,
like a like an acknowledgement

535
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,360
of I see what you did there.
And he doesn't do it that way.

536
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,080
He does it in, in a much more
tender way.

537
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,680
And yeah, dude, I was like,
honestly floored at how good his

538
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,080
performance was.
It made me realize that the

539
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,800
reason I like him so much in New
Girl is because the moments

540
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,680
where he is being emotionally
vulnerable in the character of

541
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:58,000
of Nick, he freaking nails.
I don't want to be vulnerable,

542
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,280
but I have to be like, it is.
It is such a talent of his.

543
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,800
And so I yeah, I think he is the
perfect casting for old, out of

544
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800
shape spider man who's just
trying to get by.

545
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,960
I do think that, like if we're
doing like a tears list of

546
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,320
performances, performances in
this movie, he is Tier 1 and 2

547
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,800
and then everyone else is kind
of beneath him.

548
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,760
I have nothing against anyone's
performances.

549
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,560
I think they're all really,
really good.

550
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,040
I think that Brian Tyree Henry
as the dad is really good.

551
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,280
I think Mahershala Ali as the
uncle is really good.

552
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,760
I think Miles Morales is really
good.

553
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,960
And you know, you go down the
list and you're like, wow, they

554
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,560
have Liev Schreiber in this
movie too.

555
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,600
That's crazy.
Like there's just so many actors

556
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,560
here.
But the one that stood out to me

557
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,440
above everybody else was Jake
Johnson.

558
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:51,840
I have a question for you, Bob.
There is some very clear sexual

559
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,520
tension between Gwen Stacy and
Miles Morales.

560
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,200
Yeah, there is.
But like being the Spider Man of

561
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,840
their respective universes, is
there something weird like like

562
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,040
like, is that, is that a little
bit off if they're trying to get

563
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,760
it on?
Well, see then, then what you're

564
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,480
asking is are you having sex
with yourself at that point,

565
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,640
right?
I mean, pretty much.

566
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Here's the real question, Brad.
Is it cheating if she's from

567
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,160
another dimension?
That's that's, that's the moral,

568
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,240
the moral quandary of this
movie.

569
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,480
It's like the if you're if
you're 2 states away, it's it's

570
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Yeah, exactly.
She's.

571
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,440
From an alternate dimension,
who's gonna I could I could

572
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,560
date?
Whoever I want.

573
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040
All right, man, before we go to
break, anybody else in this cast

574
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,640
list that you think is worth
mentioning?

575
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,320
I mean, I think Shameek Moore is
great as Miles.

576
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,800
I think Hailee Steinfeld is
really wonderful as Gwen.

577
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,280
I I think it's hard to dive into
anybody else because the only

578
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,800
people who are given anything
meaty are Shameek Moore and Jake

579
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,520
Johnson.
I think Hailee Steinfeld does as

580
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,840
much as she can with the part
that she's given.

581
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,000
And so, yeah, I mean, I, I, I
think she does great, but I

582
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,159
mean, I don't know.
What are your thoughts on

583
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,000
Shameek Moore?
Where where you at with him?

584
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,120
I think he's great and I don't
know anything about him outside

585
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,520
of these two films, so I don't
know if he's like a really great

586
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,639
actor.
I think the fact that he feels

587
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,760
unseasoned in this works
perfectly for the character and

588
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,520
I I'm going to give him the
benefit of the doubt and say

589
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,120
like it's he's so talented as a
voice actor that he can impart

590
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,880
that onto the character.
Whether or not that's true,

591
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,159
maybe he's just really green as
an actor, I have no idea, but it

592
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,800
works for this character.
It's a really great, again,

593
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,960
vulnerable, open, awkward, like
just a perfect, however old he

594
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,040
is, 15 year old boy.
Like it's just, he nails it,

595
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,320
man.
Yeah, well I let's take all

596
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:04,840
these good vibes and I think
it's time for us to dive into a

597
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,200
well seasoned veteran in the
world of whiskey.

598
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,240
Are you excited to drink some
George T Stagg Bob book?

599
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,160
You know I am man.
Let's get to it.

600
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,120
All right, so today we are
jumping back on the B Tac train.

601
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,280
Brad G Buffalo Trace's antique
collection is an annual release

602
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,520
of five whiskeys.
And Brad, I'm going to go ahead

603
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,880
and just spoil this now.
We're drinking George T Stagg

604
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,240
today, which is perhaps the most
highly sought after of all 5B

605
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:47,400
tacs each year, primarily
because Stagg as a label has

606
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,400
been winning best bourbon in the
world at spirits competitions

607
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,360
year after year after year.
Now, Buffalo Trace did just come

608
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,000
out with the new B TAC line for
2024.

609
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,440
We are not sampling that today
because we are not important

610
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,440
enough to receive those samples.
But I thought it would be fun to

611
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,760
A, get our hands on and B review
the B TAC line from last year.

612
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Our motto here at Film and
Whiskey most of the time when

613
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,040
we're not making up dumb other
mottos, is that we understand

614
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:23,120
that the average consumer will
only try a brand or a label of

615
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,480
whiskey one time.
So with these annual releases

616
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,680
that have kind of vintages to
them, the average consumer, A,

617
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,760
cannot afford George T Stag on
an annual basis and B doesn't

618
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,600
really care.
Like if you tell somebody, hey,

619
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,600
I can sell you a bottle of 2022
Stag, they'd be like, great,

620
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,880
does not matter to me, I just
want Stag.

621
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,240
I want to try it once.
So we're trying the 2023

622
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:49,280
release.
We, we did try the Thomas H

623
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,880
Handy Sazerac Rye from 23 a
couple seasons ago.

624
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,640
And so over the next 4 weeks
we're going to be finishing out

625
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,760
the 23 lineup of B TAC.
And hopefully what we think of

626
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,040
this will help you as a consumer
decide if these whiskeys are

627
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,080
worth your time and energy and
money.

628
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Are they modern classics, Bob?
Brad, have you ever had George T

629
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,000
Stag before?
I have not had George T Stag

630
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,360
before Bob.
We've tried Stag Junior on the

631
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,200
podcast.
I've tried it before in the

632
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,560
wild.
It's good stuff.

633
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,800
I just, I'm, I'm just going to,
I'm going to spoil my thoughts

634
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,320
on everything, Brad.
None of this whiskey is worth

635
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,960
paying quadruple digits forever,
ever ever.

636
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Yeah.
See that?

637
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,920
I think that's why we created
the luxury category category

638
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,280
though.
Well, it's definitely a luxury.

639
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,160
Oh yeah, this is a luxury
category whiskey and we will

640
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:53,160
score it based on that.
I'm just saying Bob, if you have

641
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,240
the money to just drop whatever
you want on whiskey, like maybe

642
00:37:57,240 --> 00:37:59,520
4 digits is totally worth it for
you.

643
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,000
I get that, but I'm also like
like a middle class person if

644
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,320
they really save up their money,
can buy themselves a boat.

645
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,760
If they really want to boat,
there's I don't.

646
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,840
Know about that man.
Boats are expensive.

647
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,040
But then there's another tier
above that, which is like a

648
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,640
yacht.
And there's a whole class of

649
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,800
people that no matter what they
do in life will never be able to

650
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,040
have a yacht.
And I feel like Stag is in this

651
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,240
weird spot of like the average
person, if they really want to

652
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,640
can save their money and buy a
bottle of Stag.

653
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,720
But we're talking about it like
it's a whiskey for yacht people.

654
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Do you know what I mean?
And and my fear with the market

655
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,960
is like, let's not forget about
boat people at the expense of

656
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,320
only servicing yacht people.
See when you said a middle class

657
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,640
person can buy a boat, I was
thinking yacht level.

658
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,600
No, I'm just.
I wasn't.

659
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,920
Thinking about like I'm I'm
going fishing this weekend.

660
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,720
Like that's what I'm talking
about.

661
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:03,160
A boat, Yeah.
Did did you ever read that

662
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,680
article about yacht like
billionaires with yachts where

663
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,080
there are people who they hire
to work their boats that just

664
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,160
live on the boats?
They stay on the yacht all year

665
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,360
long.
That's literally the wildest

666
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,640
thing to me.
That's the dream, man.

667
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,880
I'll I'm want to be podcasting
from a yacht someday.

668
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,800
Sorry children, I've got to take
this job as an indentured

669
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,760
servant.
You'll never find me.

670
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,800
I'll be traveling too much.
I'll send checks from whatever I

671
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,640
can all.
Right man, Stag junior.

672
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,200
Let's dive in.
This is a 15 year old Stag

673
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,280
junior.
Oh, not Stag junior, George T

674
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Stag.
Let's dive in.

675
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,440
This is a 15 year and three
month old bourbon that came out

676
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,240
in 2023.
It is 135 proof.

677
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,120
This is almost hazmat level
Brad.

678
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,400
Yeah, hazmat being 140 proof,
correct?

679
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,680
That's right.
Yeah.

680
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,600
This has just a bomb of flavor
on the nose.

681
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,200
There is some anise, there is
molasses.

682
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,720
And the longer I let it sit in
there and the more I kind of

683
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,680
blew out some of the ethanol,
which is plenty.

684
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,000
There is some honey, there's
some Craisins, there's a little

685
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,160
bit of brown sugar.
This is a beautiful nose that is

686
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,960
not overpowered by the age.
I'm going to give it a nine out

687
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,120
of 10, Bob.
Yeah, I'm almost there with you.

688
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,720
I don't think I'm going to be at
an 8 1/2.

689
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,360
And so here's my notes.
First thing I got was like

690
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,320
really dusty oak.
It was that nice, like sawdusty

691
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,800
note that we really love on
whiskeys.

692
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,720
I got a lot of honey.
And then I got this note that I

693
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,640
can't, I can never know the name
of the plant that I'm referring

694
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,760
to, but it's like when you are
out in the country in the

695
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,640
summertime and you catch a whiff
of the breeze and it's that

696
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,760
really sweet smelling like
fragrance.

697
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,440
I don't know if it's a weed, I
don't know if it's a tree.

698
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,520
It were the only other thing I
catch that note on is like

699
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,200
umberana finished stuff.
So I wrote that down here.

700
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,240
I know people hate umberana in
their whiskey finishes now, but

701
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,360
it's that powdery floral note.
There's a ton of ethanol, dude.

702
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,240
The longer this sat in my glass,
the ethanol came through more.

703
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,880
But beyond that, there was some
cinnamon, and then I got a

704
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,960
little bit of almost like
meatiness at the very end that I

705
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120
really liked.
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2.

706
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,480
It's super complex.
Bob, when I got into the pallet

707
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,800
here, my first note, and I know
this is a reference you

708
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,200
understand because I explained
it to you the other day, the

709
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,480
viscosity is over 9000.
Oh, interesting.

710
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,440
I think that this might be one
of the most coating whiskeys we

711
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,320
have ever drank in the history
of this podcast.

712
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,960
I had the exact opposite
experience.

713
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,240
What?
Like it coats your mouth because

714
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:00,520
it there's so much alcohol, but
in terms of the actual thickness

715
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,480
of it, like it's, it's a very
thin mouthfeel because again,

716
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,040
it's all alcohol.
Like, I don't, I don't.

717
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,160
It didn't taste syrupy to me at
all.

718
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,240
Oh, I I don't know if we drank
the same whiskey.

719
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,360
I literally just checked the
label on mine.

720
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,960
I was like, Oh my gosh, did we
drink the same thing?

721
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,360
Oh dude I I thought that there
was like this was literally one

722
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:25,000
of the thickest whiskey's we've
ever had as far as flavors go.

723
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,760
I got nutmeg and clove and like
all the baking spices, it

724
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,920
reminded me of fresh bread right
out of the oven.

725
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:39,600
There is some caramel, there's
brown sugar, there's honey.

726
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,920
Once again though, like the
craisin almost turned into a

727
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Raisin type of vibe.
Like it.

728
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,360
It almost tasted like I was
having like cinnamon Raisin

729
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,160
bread at one point.
I think that this is the epitome

730
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,760
of what bourbon can be on the
palate, and I'm going to give it

731
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,800
a 10 out of 10.
Wow.

732
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Yeah, I'm a little bit cooler on
this one than you are, Brad.

733
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,400
Not significantly so, but I
think I'm at an 8 1/2 again

734
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,480
here.
And it's because it was so

735
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,360
unexpected in a good way.
But your note of Raisin, I think

736
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,280
is really, really good, not just
because it echoes Raisin, but it

737
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,560
actually mimics that sort of
almost bright, not quite sour,

738
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,680
but like fruity tartness when
you first bite into a Raisin

739
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,600
before those sugars come out on
the very front of my palate, it

740
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,320
was almost sour.
It was it, it mimicked like

741
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,920
fresh tart fruit and bourbon
never does that.

742
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,040
Like I never get that brightness
on the tip of my tongue.

743
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,000
I did say that the mouthfeel was
super thin, but it really opened

744
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,480
up.
It was like a cherry bomb for

745
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,800
me.
It was like tons and tons of

746
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,040
just dark cherry.
I, I did that thing where like

747
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,200
aspirated a little bit and kind
of like sloshed it in my mouth

748
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,560
with while breathing in some air
because that ethanol was so

749
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,600
heavy.
And it reminded me of almost

750
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,880
like tropical candies, like like
blue Raspberry kind of candy.

751
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,080
That brightness came back again.
There was black pepper and then

752
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,960
the oak took over and there is a
lot of really heavy oak on this.

753
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,400
I think it's an interesting
palette and I've never gotten

754
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,600
some of these notes ever on a
bourbon before.

755
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,360
I just don't know if it's
necessarily my favorite thing

756
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,320
I've ever tried.
So it's an 8 1/2 for me.

757
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,880
I I think the Finnish once again
knocks it out of the park there.

758
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,760
It gets into a more vanilla bean
territory.

759
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,960
The oak char really comes
through strongly at the end.

760
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,600
The baking spices are there.
It turns a little bit rye

761
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,840
forward on the finish and
there's some really nice leather

762
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,120
notes that round things out.
I'm going to give it a nine and

763
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,320
a half here on the finish.
I'm also at a nine and a half

764
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,160
and it's mostly because I do
think it's really oak heavy.

765
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,960
There's some baking spice.
This is predominantly scored

766
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,280
where it is because it might be
the most long lasting finish

767
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,680
I've ever had on a bourbon.
It just like it would not go

768
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,640
away.
And after a while it broke me

769
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,360
down.
I was just like, damn, dude,

770
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:01,960
like you win, you know what I
mean?

771
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,440
Like it was, it was really
persistent and I.

772
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Respected and 35 proofs of them
one.

773
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,960
So moving into balance, I do
think that this tips slightly

774
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,480
bitter towards the end, not
necessarily sour, but a little

775
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,320
bit of that oak bitterness comes
through.

776
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,840
I do wonder about 15 years like
is, is that a little bit too

777
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,760
long in the barrel for bourbon?
Overall, incredibly pleasant.

778
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,440
I gave it an 8 and a half, eight
and a half, 9 1/2.

779
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,320
This is a well balanced whiskey.
I think I'm just going to stick

780
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,560
in an 8.5 here, Brad.
I'm going to give it a nine and

781
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,120
a half on the balance.
I, I gave it a 910 and 9 1/2.

782
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,360
So we'll, we'll just split it
down the middle.

783
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,600
I think that this is a really
complex whiskey that Bob.

784
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,320
I just feel like it's so rare
for us to drink a bourbon over

785
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:54,720
12 years old that has a nice
complexity of flavors that are

786
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,560
not overwhelmed by the oakiness.
And I think that they they nail

787
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,440
that here.
I don't know how they do it.

788
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,960
I don't know what voodoo magic
they're doing down at Buffalo

789
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:11,520
Trace, but they really nail the
the balance of flavor and age in

790
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,040
a really beautiful way.
Before we get to the value

791
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,760
category where this thing takes
a nosedive, where are you at out

792
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,600
of 40?
Just on the tasting notes.

793
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:30,280
I mean let's see 1928, 1/2 3038
I think.

794
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,280
All right, so you're at a 38 out
of 40, which translates to a 95

795
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,720
out of 100.
I'm at a 35 out of 40 and I'm at

796
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,280
an 87.5 out of 100.
Now I like this significantly

797
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,920
less than Brad and even I am
like an almost a 90 level.

798
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,200
So this is, yeah, really good
whiskey.

799
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,800
I just wanted to get that out
there before we talked to value

800
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,040
because Brad, it's your turn to
kind of fill me in here.

801
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,360
What it What is this selling for
now?

802
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:03,440
I saw a bottle for like 450.
I saw a bottle for 900.

803
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,880
Like I don't think you can
actually get an accurate price

804
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,000
on this unless you are active in
the secondary market, which we

805
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,160
for the FBI that's listening we
hear the filming whiskey podcast

806
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,800
do not support any secondary
sales of liquor.

807
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,480
We only want people to buy it
from their approved liquor,

808
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:31,800
licensed stores and individuals.
But if you happen to be aware of

809
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,240
this illegal, terrible, evil
blight upon society, black

810
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:41,440
market secondary whiskey I don't
like, you're going to have to be

811
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,640
connected to know how much this
is going to cost you.

812
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,240
What's OK?
So MSRP is 125.

813
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Now, I think that the $900 price
point is someone that's just

814
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,200
price gouging.
This is probably already peaked

815
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,440
and come down a bit, but the
quantities are even more

816
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,160
limited.
Now.

817
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,320
What do you say we set it at
500?

818
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,760
That's four times MSRP.
That is like astronomically

819
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,880
priced, but I actually think
would be considered a pretty

820
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,040
fair market value in most
corners of the secondary market.

821
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Sure, 500 bucks.
Brad, where are you at on this?

822
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,320
I, I see, I, I think This is why
we created the luxury category

823
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,520
because I like thinking about it
at $500 might bring my price to

824
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,120
my value down a little bit.
But if I just thought of it as

825
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,360
this is a luxury purchase made
by people who can make luxury

826
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,320
purchases, I think this is a
nine out of 10 like I like.

827
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,040
I think that the George T Stag
of 2023, and from what I've

828
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,760
heard of other iterations as
well, I think it's worth the

829
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:48,400
hype.
Bob.

830
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,840
I'll be the Brad G today and
I'll just do the would I pay

831
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,200
$500.00 for this particular
whiskey?

832
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,560
I would not.
I will also be very blunt and

833
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,160
saying I would not pay $500.00
for pretty much any whiskey.

834
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:07,200
I am a notorious cheapskate and
and I do not make that much

835
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,800
money.
So, you know, like, what are you

836
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,920
going to do?
I want to make it clear I also

837
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,680
would not spend 500 dollars on
this whiskey.

838
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,040
I'm just saying if I think of it
as a luxury whiskey, I think

839
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,880
it's a nine out of 10 value.
I think the fairest way for me

840
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,640
to balance out what the way
you're approaching it though, is

841
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,960
to just say like, is it a fair
value considering the crazy

842
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,640
world we live in?
And I think to reflect that, I'm

843
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,480
going to give it a 5 out of 10
on value.

844
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,480
It is.
It is whatever kind of value you

845
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,480
perceive it to be.
Like if you're to your point,

846
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,200
Brad, if you're in the market
for this kind of a thing, you're

847
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,400
going to pay whatever it takes
to get it anyway.

848
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,880
So like nothing we say is going
to sway you one way or the

849
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,600
other.
I'm going to give it a 5.

850
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,520
And that brings me to a 40 out
of 50.

851
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,440
This is a very, very good
whiskey.

852
00:49:56,160 --> 00:50:01,480
Bob, I'm at a 47 out of 50.
Man you're coming in hot with

853
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,200
these 40 plus scores this season
dude.

854
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,720
I I'm drinking good whiskey,
Bobby and I, I have no shame in

855
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,720
recognizing that.
That takes us to an 87 out of

856
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:17,600
100 or a 43.5 on average.
This is a no brainer

857
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,400
recommendation man.
If you can find a pour of it

858
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,920
somewhere it's it's a great
luxury bourbon.

859
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,600
It just is.
Yeah, I, I have long harbored

860
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,440
animosity for the B Tac.
Not not for B Tac, but for

861
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Buffalo Trace as a whole.
I, I think that they take pride

862
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,960
in the secondary market prices
of their product, and that

863
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,560
annoys me quite a bit, and it
still does.

864
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,120
But I, I try to be as fair as I
can.

865
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,360
And when I drink this whiskey, I
can honestly tell you.

866
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,320
This shit is delicious.
Well, you heard it here first,

867
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,280
folks.
And by first, I mean a year

868
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,920
after the fact.
Brad, let's get back into

869
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:01,960
talking about Into the Spider
verse.

870
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,680
What do you say?
Let's get to it, Bob.

871
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:14,920
All right, everybody, That was
the 2023 George T Stag B.Tech

872
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,040
release.
What a fine, fine whiskey, Bob

873
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,520
A.
Very nice dream.

874
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,240
Yeah, that it's truly one of the
few bourbons I've ever had that

875
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:32,240
I would place up against
scotches as far as like, wow,

876
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,080
that was my.
Just just craft.

877
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,360
Overall craft for sure.
Yeah, Speaking of overall craft.

878
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,680
And just mind blowingly great
content.

879
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,680
It's time for our next game,
which we call 2 Facts and a

880
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,120
Falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

881
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,640
your ball to our right and what
is wrong?

882
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,640
2 facts and a.
Falsehood 2 Facts and a

883
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,440
falsehood is the part of the
show where Brad tries to stump

884
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,960
Bob by presenting him with three
facts about the making of this

885
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,360
movie, one of which is actually
a lie.

886
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,960
Brad, I believe that I am 2 and
O on the season right now,

887
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,120
right?
Yeah, you are knocking it out of

888
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,000
the park with Bilga Abiri's
help.

889
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,480
Thank you Billy Oppenheimer
episode.

890
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,920
He like so confidently was like
Nope, that's the falsehood.

891
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,280
He literally was like Emily
Blunt told me.

892
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,120
Yeah, that's when I knew I had
the victory for the week.

893
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,040
I was like, yes.
And I like going into episodes

894
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,360
with guests.
I often feel more confident

895
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,720
because I'm like, oh, they're
going to steer Bob wrong for

896
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,200
sure.
I never feel confident with

897
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:43,360
Bilgo.
He knows so much more than you

898
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,240
and I combined.
Yeah, he really is a ringer,

899
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,840
man, but unfortunately I have no
ringer today.

900
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,640
I don't care about superheroes
and I don't know much about

901
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,240
animation.
So Brad, this today might be

902
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,720
your day is what I'm saying.
I Bob, I might just let you

903
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,240
guess before I give the facts
because I don't think you have

904
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,440
any chance with this one at at
at having an honest guess.

905
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,960
Here, this is facetious, but my
my pretend for now.

906
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,880
Guess is fact #2 is the
falsehood.

907
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,720
OK, so let's hear him.
Fact #1 Prowler is originally a

908
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:21,720
character from Spider man #82
and existed primarily as an

909
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:26,440
antagonist for four issues.
He was reborn in 2011's Ultimate

910
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,360
Fallout Spider Man series as
Mile, Miles Morales's uncle

911
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,840
Aaron Davis.
Fact #2 Spider Ham was

912
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:41,200
originally introduced in Marvel
Tales starring Peter Porker, the

913
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,720
Spectacular Spider Ham from
1983.

914
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,640
His origin of being a spider
bitten by a radioactive pig is

915
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:54,680
true to the comics.
I'm sorry, I I love this.

916
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,040
The movie leaves out the that
the radioactive pig in question

917
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,880
was May Porker, who due to the
effects of the radiation,

918
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,280
believe that the transformed
Peter was her nephew instead of

919
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:10,800
her former lab pet fact #3
Spider Man Noir, often referred

920
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,240
to as Spider Noir or simply
Noir, first appeared in the

921
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:18,120
comic series Spider Man Noir,
Part of the Marvel Noir

922
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,400
universe, this alternate version
of Spider Man is a noir theme

923
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,760
take on the character and
emerges in a version of New York

924
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,760
during the Great Depression.
Was fact #3 just an attempt for

925
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,200
you to see how many times you
could say the word noir in 30

926
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,400
seconds?
I can neither confirm nor deny.

927
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,360
You could have just ended it
with noir noir noir noir noir

928
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,720
noir noir noir noir I think.
I honestly think two and three

929
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,920
are both true because they kind
of said as much about 3 in the

930
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,480
movie.
So I'm gonna change my answer

931
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,520
and just say #1 is false and
that's I have no other basis for

932
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,680
it.
But that's my answer and I'm

933
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,240
going with it.
And that's that's all there is

934
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,640
to it.
Bob you are three and O on the

935
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,640
season.
I couldn't help but mad reading

936
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,080
about I like copied the spider
ham thing and I I thought it was

937
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,840
a good one and then as I'm
reading it I couldn't help but

938
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,960
laughing.
You almost had me too, because

939
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,160
you do like to laugh at your own
jokes sometimes.

940
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,840
So I was like, oh man, was this
a Brad creation?

941
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,960
But.
Marvel Tales starring Peter

942
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,840
Porker.
Well, it was when that that was

943
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,840
the part that got me.
It was when you said Aunt May

944
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,960
Porker in the second sentence
that I was like, oh, this must,

945
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,880
this must be true.
Yes, the name Aunt May Porker

946
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,920
is.
That's a bold move.

947
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,840
All right, man, we're we're
almost at an hour into this

948
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,640
episode.
I don't have too much more to

949
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,040
say.
I think this is a really, really

950
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,640
good movie and shockingly like
raised my opinion of it.

951
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,000
I think partially because I I
was able to watch it on a

952
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,520
smaller screen this time.
And so the chaotic nature of

953
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,720
that final sequence was was
condensed and contained into

954
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:06,120
like just part of my field of
vision so I did not feel

955
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,920
disoriented or nauseous this
time.

956
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,280
And fun fact that really helps
you appreciate a movie more.

957
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:17,240
Yeah, it's it's weird how nausea
does not contribute to your

958
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,720
final score when thinking about
a movie.

959
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,160
It's weird how that happens.
I mean it, it could contribute

960
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,400
very negatively, but luckily
that's not happening today.

961
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,960
Yeah, I'm curious, Bob, like
coming away from this, is this

962
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,520
your second time or I don't
know.

963
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,400
No I have not watched it since
that theater going experience

964
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,640
and I was at like a 6 1/2 on
this movie.

965
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,000
It just like it didn't do it for
me the first time.

966
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,040
I didn't quite get why everyone
fell in love with it.

967
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,360
I probably had some sort of
Marvel hangover too, where

968
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,920
everything was still getting
praised like it was some

969
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,280
revolutionary piece of cinema
and not watching it.

970
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:59,240
I do think that in a lot of ways
the animation style is more

971
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:02,560
revolutionary than I realized at
the time because of how many

972
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,720
copycats have come along.
But where the movie really

973
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:10,080
succeeds for me is in capturing
what I love about Spider Man

974
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,520
anyway.
Like it's, it is the

975
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,840
awkwardness, it's the
teenageriness of him.

976
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,680
But it's also like in that final
sequence when he's really come

977
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,400
into his own and he's about to
defeat Kingpin and you can tell

978
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,640
that he has complete control and
confidence in his powers.

979
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,920
They finally start to do the
thing where as he swings and and

980
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,200
he's in between swings and he
has that sense of weightlessness

981
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,320
before he latches onto something
else.

982
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,160
And you can kind of feel like
the lilt of him.

983
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,200
I'm like, oh, yeah, dude, they
got it.

984
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,600
They nailed the way Spider Man
moves in a way that those stupid

985
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,680
MCU movies never could.
Like it just they they just

986
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,920
really capture why I fell in
love with the Raimi spider man

987
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:58,360
movies as a 12 year old.
Yeah, And and I on my own in the

988
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,880
last month or so, I actually saw
that The Amazing Spider Man was

989
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,520
leaving Netflix.
And I was like, you know, I

990
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,920
always avoided those movies out
of this like, weird sense of

991
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,080
loyalty to Tobey Maguire and Sam
Raimi.

992
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,440
I was like, I need to actually
watch this.

993
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,960
So I sat down and watched Andrew
Garfield as with his turn as

994
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,600
Spider man and I realized that
movie sucks.

995
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,240
It's really not good.
And I, I don't know why I I

996
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,160
avoided it all these years.
I had this like weird, like

997
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,240
dread that it would be better
than Raimi's.

998
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,880
And so watching that recently, I
think I did have a lot more

999
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,320
respect for where they go with
this movie.

1000
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,880
And I have a lot of respect that
they were willing to enter into

1001
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,400
the absurdity of the world of
Spider Man.

1002
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,920
And it offered something in an
animated world that you can't

1003
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,520
get in any live action version
of it.

1004
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,040
I, I mean, I'm even thinking of
Scorpion as a bad guy.

1005
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:11,360
Like he's just an incredibly
well visualized bad guy that you

1006
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,960
don't need to know anything
about other than he's a freaking

1007
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:18,000
Scorpion and he's terrifying
and, and like, that's perfect

1008
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,760
and, and it's so well done.
So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of

1009
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,120
with you, man.
I I enjoyed this way more than I

1010
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,680
thought I would, especially like
20-30 minutes into the movie.

1011
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,360
There's a lot of times where I'm
watching a movie and I am, I'm

1012
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,920
aware.
It's kind of like when you're

1013
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,920
watching a guy that's like
throwing a perfect game and you

1014
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,280
start to become really aware of
the stakes and you're like, oh

1015
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,640
God, they better land this
because right now this is like a

1016
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,520
10 out of 10.
And 100% of the time they never

1017
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,040
landed.
There's always something that

1018
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,160
brings the movie down from like,
wow, that first 45 minutes was

1019
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,360
great.
And then it falls off.

1020
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,040
This was the rare movie where I
wasn't even aware of how much

1021
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,760
better it was getting as I
watched it because at first I

1022
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,320
was like, Nah, I'm not really
into this.

1023
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,360
And then it was like, oh,
they're actually doing a pretty

1024
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,200
decent job to, oh, this is like
on par with the good Marvel

1025
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,920
movies.
I I think this is a pretty good

1026
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,440
superhero movie.
And then by the end of the

1027
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:16,400
movie, the last five minutes, I
was like, hell yeah, like, this

1028
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,240
is what I want in a.
And.

1029
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,920
And it wasn't until I said hell
yeah audibly to myself in a room

1030
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,360
that I was like, oh, I think I
really love this movie.

1031
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,360
This is this is way better than
I was expecting and that might

1032
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,920
be a good jumping off point,
Brad, for us to get into our

1033
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,480
final segment of the day.
Let's make it a double.

1034
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,080
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things, listening to

1035
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,960
the film and Whiskey Show.
Let's have another film with

1036
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,400
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1037
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:42,760
It's the final segment of the
day.

1038
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,280
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double is the

1039
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,480
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1040
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,320
to make the perfect double
feature.

1041
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,640
Brad I, I said that I wanted to
segue into this because this

1042
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:58,240
movie, I realized at the very
end where he he was doing that

1043
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,120
weightless thing and where he
finally had that moment of like,

1044
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:07,840
I am completely confident in my
own skills and abilities.

1045
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,800
Now.
I thought of that great moment

1046
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:15,360
in The Matrix where after taking
all those shots from Agent

1047
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,600
Smith, they start hand to hand
combat again.

1048
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,800
And he and Neo puts one hand
behind his back and is just

1049
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,520
blocking every blow and then
kind of just turns away at one

1050
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,680
point and you're like, Oh yeah,
hell yeah, this, this is what

1051
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:34,080
I'm looking for in the movie.
It was the exact same thematic

1052
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:39,280
content, like the hero fully
coming into his own powers.

1053
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,960
And I was like, man, this is
like Matrix level reaction from

1054
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,880
me.
So I think the movie I'm pairing

1055
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,160
this up with is 1999's The
Matrix.

1056
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,880
Man, that would be a really
weird night of cinema.

1057
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,880
And I'm like, I'm here for it,
man.

1058
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,040
That, that would be a a hell of
a night.

1059
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,280
Yeah, dude, I'm, I'm curious,
would you watch the Matrix first

1060
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:08,400
or Spider Man first?
Oh I don't know, it just depends

1061
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,480
on like do you want to end with
spider Man swinging through the

1062
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,720
streets or with Neo like flying
off into the sun?

1063
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,760
Dude what a good movie The
Matrix is.

1064
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,560
Like 10 out of 10 Masterpiece.
Perfect masterpiece of sci-fi

1065
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,640
thriller.
All right, where are you at?

1066
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,640
I am going to pair this with
another animated film, and I

1067
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:37,000
think that it's another film
that I would land in a similar

1068
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:42,040
place to Spider Man as far as
final scores go, where I think

1069
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:47,280
that this film nails the
characters, the development of

1070
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:53,120
said characters and like the
emotional weight of the film and

1071
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,920
a lot of the other stuff on the
edges kind of falls away 'cause

1072
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,920
you don't worry about it, 'cause
you have great characters.

1073
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:05,720
I'm going to pair this with
Wreck It Ralph, which when John

1074
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,640
C Reilly is flying towards that
volcano and repeating the

1075
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,880
villain's code, I like.
I cry every time and it's

1076
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:21,000
perfect and I I think that there
is so much to offer there and I

1077
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,320
think that watching Wreck It
Ralph and Into the Spider verse

1078
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:29,400
would just be a great night, a
really fun night of animated

1079
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,480
film viewing.
Wreck it Ralph is so freaking

1080
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,480
good dude.
Like, criminally underrated.

1081
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,840
How?
How have we not reviewed it yet?

1082
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,080
I don't know.
That's my question.

1083
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,880
That's a That's a modern classic
right there.

1084
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,680
Let's make it a double was
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1085
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1086
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1088
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1090
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,840
All right, Brad, as we get into
final scores, let's ask that

1091
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,200
question.
Yeah.

1092
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:06,600
Does this deserve to be
considered a modern classic?

1093
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,600
I think that if you'd asked me a
day ago, I'd be like hell no.

1094
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,400
And now I have, I have
completely flipped and I, I

1095
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,080
think I'm in a hell yak
category.

1096
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,600
I do think I there's a slight
caveat in that it has made me

1097
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:25,800
realize despite how many
animated movies we get, that the

1098
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,360
number of animated films that I
would consider modern classics,

1099
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,280
it's still a shockingly small
number.

1100
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:37,000
It's like the the five best
Pixar movies and then maybe 3 or

1101
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,160
4 non Pixar movies and just
taking on that.

1102
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:46,480
Do I think this is one of the 10
best, 15 best, whatever it might

1103
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,280
be animated films of the 21st
century?

1104
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,880
I probably do.
I do think it's it's operating

1105
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,480
at a level that others don't.
It's taking on subject matter

1106
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,120
that others don't.
The animation style is unique

1107
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:02,360
enough to itself that it
justifies kind of setting aside.

1108
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,360
I I do think this this should be
considered a 21st century

1109
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:11,720
classic.
Are you OK if I get just a hint

1110
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,640
political for a second, Bob?
Sure.

1111
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,720
Are you?
Is this going to be one of your

1112
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,760
famous shut down the border
monologues?

1113
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,400
Yes, yeah, build, build that
wall.

1114
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:30,280
Oh man, I I think one of the
things I appreciate about this

1115
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,960
movie most, and granted this is
in a 2024 world.

1116
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,480
I like, I watched this in 2024
for the first time, not in 2018,

1117
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:46,280
but I feel like in 2024 we've
had so many instances in media

1118
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:53,760
of minority characters being
made the main character of, of

1119
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,800
ATV show a movie, whatever.
And they have no flaws.

1120
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,040
They have no problems.
They have no weaknesses because

1121
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,480
they're a minority character and
they need to be awesome because

1122
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,560
they haven't been awesome in so
many decades of cinema.

1123
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,640
And I, and like, I'm not arguing
with that latter point, but I

1124
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,200
think what I loved most about
this movie was that I didn't

1125
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,280
ever once feel like there was a
political message being thrown

1126
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:30,080
at me that it's like, wow, Miles
Morales is black, Hispanic and

1127
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,680
perfect and has no flaws and has
everything figured out.

1128
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:40,960
Like, it was just simply a story
of a young man who is trying to

1129
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,600
figure out his place in the
world as a black Hispanic

1130
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:49,080
teenager who is bitten by a
radioactive spider and is going

1131
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,440
to go about things differently
than a white Peter Parker would.

1132
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:58,280
And, and there there's never
anything that feels forced or

1133
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,760
out of place.
And I think that my 2024 self

1134
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,840
almost felt a little on edge,
like waiting for the political

1135
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:08,880
message to hit me across the
face.

1136
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:13,400
And it never came.
And I was like blown away

1137
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:17,000
because they just simply focused
on character development.

1138
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,880
And I think they nailed it.
And I, I don't know, is any of

1139
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,440
that controversial?
Do I need to be pushed back on?

1140
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,600
No, I don't think so at all.
I mean, you and I have talked

1141
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:30,080
about what we perceive to be
really cheap, gimmicky writing

1142
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:35,120
that shoehorns in, you know,
making a character a certain

1143
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:39,000
ethnicity or whatever for no
other purpose then what seems to

1144
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,520
be checking a box.
And I think they do it so

1145
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:48,080
intently here and with such
purpose and maturity that it

1146
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,560
really does.
It adds a layer of complexity to

1147
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,200
the Spider Man narrative in a
way we haven't seen before.

1148
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,840
But it it never feels preachy.
It never feels like anything

1149
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:02,880
more than you are watching the
origin story of a Spider Man.

1150
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,000
It may not be the Spider Man you
grew up with, but it feels true

1151
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,800
to who that character is
supposed to be, and I think it's

1152
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,360
a really huge success because of
that.

1153
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,480
Brad, I'm going to give this
movie a nine out of 10.

1154
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:16,880
I came in thinking like 7 1/2 to
8.

1155
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,399
I, I think I will give it an 8
1/2.

1156
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Like there are some issues with
the film.

1157
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,960
I think that the writing around
the edges of the film gets

1158
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,960
really ragged.
The art style doesn't always

1159
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,960
work for me.
But overall, I think this is a

1160
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,359
really beautiful film and I I do
think that it deserves to be

1161
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:40,359
called a modern masterpiece.
All right, so there we are on

1162
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:42,520
Spider Man into the spider
verse.

1163
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,160
We're at an 8.75 on average, but
we'd like to know what you

1164
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,319
think.
Is this as good as the second

1165
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:49,479
one?
Should we have done the second

1166
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:50,920
one instead?
Cause guess what?

1167
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,520
We're not doing it this season
folks.

1168
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,040
We have other movies to talk
about, but you can let us know

1169
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,960
which one you liked better by
reaching out to us at any of our

1170
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,439
social media accounts.
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,

1171
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:07,000
TikTok, YouTube freaking
LinkedIn baby at film whiskey.

1172
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,880
I think you're going to keep
saying that just just to get me

1173
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,680
to laugh at you, Bob I.
I posted something on our

1174
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,080
LinkedIn the other day and I got
an e-mail that was like,

1175
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,160
congratulations, your post, Your
post had two impressions.

1176
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,720
It's like we did it, man.
There's two people out there.

1177
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,319
If you want to put the energy of
the Film and Whiskey podcast

1178
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,120
behind it, I I'm in, man, I'm
I'm ready.

1179
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,279
Where else can they find us,
Brad?

1180
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,840
They can find us on Discord.
If you are on in the world of

1181
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,359
Discord, join our server.
We are talking about movies and

1182
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,960
whiskey and and all of our
episodes.

1183
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,120
Join the conversation.
You can find a link at the end

1184
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,840
of every single one of our.
Show notes We'll be back next

1185
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:57,040
week talking about perhaps the
ultimate dad movie of the 21st

1186
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,320
century, Ford V Ferrari.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1187
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,440
I'm Brad Gee.
And we'll see you next time.