Shadow of a Doubt / 1792 High Rye Bourbon

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In 1943, director Alfred
Hitchcock and star Teresa Wright

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gave the world a soapy thriller
that pushed both the boundaries

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of camera work as well as that
of plot believability.

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In 2023, we struck out on wheat,
we struck out on rye, and so now

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we're trying even more rye.
Double it.

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More, more rye.
The film is shadow of a doubt.

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The whiskey is 1792 High Rye and
we'll review them both.

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This is the Film and Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
Podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Buck.
I'm Brad G.

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And this week, we're looking at
1943's Shadow of a Doubt.

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This is the midway point of our
five film Hitchcock

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retrospective.
Brad, how are you feeling about

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it so far?
Pretty good.

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I I think that it's a weird
place to be where Hitchcock is

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probably considered a top three,
top five director of all time.

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Yeah, I mean, depending on who's
making the list, I guess.

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Yeah, yeah.
But in general, I'd say a solid

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8090% of People Who Matter in
the World of Cinema review would

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probably put him in a top five.
Oh, sure, sure, right.

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Mount.
Mount Rushmore, at least.

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Oh yeah, he's like fifth one on
Mount Rushmore.

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Yeah, famously.
Five faces containing Mount

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Rushmore.
Well, no, they actually just,

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like, carved him hanging on to
the nose like Cary Grant.

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So here's here's the weird place
I am.

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I've been like, fine with these
movies.

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Yeah, like, I didn't.
I didn't care.

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For Notorious.
It was OK.

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I thought that rope was really
well done but didn't wasn't like

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crazy compelling.
And I I mean, you know, this is

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3 out of five.
I liked this movie, Bob.

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I liked it too.
Now, like if I'd go like

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overboard for it, but I I liked
it.

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I am much higher on Rope than
you are, but even I will

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acknowledge that like we are,
we're into his second tier of

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films now.
And I think I said that in the

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first week that there's only a
few directors that you know when

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you get into their 5th, 6th,
7th, 8th best film.

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They're all still in the IMDb
top 250, right?

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It's like him, Spielberg,
Scorsese, you know, it's IMDb,

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so probably Chris Nolan, you
know, but like, But I guess what

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I'm saying is I'm not surprised
to see that like a lot of these

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movies are at like an 8.1 or an
8 point O on IMDb because it's

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like everyone agrees that this
is like an 8.

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But I don't know many people
that are arguing that some of

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these movies are any higher than
an 8.

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And so like that's, you know,
folks, we've set the stage for

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today.
Because we're talking about

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Shadow of a Doubt, a movie that
is really well regarded by

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critics.
I think you, you know, for for

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some of the reasons you
mentioned, Brad, the camera work

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is extraordinary.
It's Hitchcock first starting to

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dive into, you know, the the
seedy underbelly of the American

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idyllic community in a way that
he would go on to do for years

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and years afterwards.
But also, like, I'm not going to

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put this movie above Vertigo
anytime soon, right?

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Yeah.
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And that's and that's kind of
where I'm at.

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I have liked these movies.
They're all really solid.

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But part of me feels like the, I
don't know, an impetus to rank

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them higher than they really
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And I I I feel like I'm trying
to stick to my guns, say, hey,

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these are good.
They're not great.

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They're they're good solid
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And I I think the thing that
sticks out to me is that you can

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tell I I mean this kind of feels
like a close Encounters of the

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Third Kind for me, where like
you can tell that if close

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Encounters of the Third Kind was
made by even like AB Tier

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director, like a solid good
director, nobody crazy, it would

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be a way worse movie, you know
what I mean?

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And I I feel that way about
these.

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I think any of these three films
made by any sort of a lesser

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director would would be like a
5.9 to 6.3 on IMDb and nobody

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would ever talk about them.
Yeah, totally agree, man.

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And I think that's what
Hitchcock brings to the table,

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where even when you're watching
his eighth best movie, it's

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still better than most people's
best movie.

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And I think that's kind of what
we have here today.

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So let's dive into talking about
Shadow of a Doubt a little bit.

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This is a movie that is set in
the middle of, well, I don't

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know if it's set then, but it's
made in the middle of World War

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2, where, you know, right
before, well, I was gonna say

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right before D-Day, but not
really made in the middle of

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World War 2.
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little bit on the image of, like
America as this beautiful,

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idyllic place.
And yet at the same time, it

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also seems like one of
Hitchcock's least cynical

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movies.
You know, I was reading a lot

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about the production of this
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Hitchcock's mom had passed away
right before he started making

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this.
And if you go back and listen to

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our notorious episode, we've
talked about mother figures in

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Hitchcock movies and a lot of
people have totally don't matter

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at all, you know, not not a big
influence.

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Well, I was going to say a lot
of people have pointed out that

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this is probably the most
sympathetic and kind of

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nostalgic mother figure in any
of his movies that, you know,

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Teresa Wright's mom.
And so this was a really

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personal movie for Hitchcock to
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Even if on its face, it's just
kind of like your standard

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thriller of guy brings Chaos
into an orderly situation, Yeah,

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I think that this is a really
fascinating film, mostly just

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for the fact that the title of
the movie is Shadow of a Doubt.

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And yet, as a viewer, I I don't
know what viewers were like in

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1943.
I very well could have thought

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that maybe Joseph Cotton really
was just a kind hearted little

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brother.
But from the very start, Bob,

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you know that he's bad news.
Oh, I mean like, like I have

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never, like never more quickly
been like, yeah, that guy did

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it.
Whatever they're using him of,

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he did it from the opening shot
of the listen this movie opens.

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In a boarding house where this
man is laying on the bed

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surrounded by strewn about $100
bills, cash, You know, like he

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did it.
Whatever he's accused of, he did

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it.
Yep.

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Yep, 100%.
And I think that's one of the

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struggles I had with this film,
is that, like, I'm all about

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technique and camera movements
and lighting and and how you use

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sound and there and sound and
and the music and the design.

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All those things are great for a
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But at the end of the day, the
plot has to be somewhat

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believable.
And this, this movie, the

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suspenseful part of it was
whether or not I was ever going

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to believe anything that was
happening on screen.

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Spoiler alert, I didn't.
All right.

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Well, on that note, I think it's
a perfect place for us to

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transition to our first segment
of the day, which we call Brad

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explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we

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call.
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen, often for the

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first time.
Bob, why do you explain?

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Brad explains like shouldn't it
be a Brad explain section?

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Where I where Brad explains,
Brad explains.

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That's true.
I mean, you could start

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explaining your own mansplaining
to us.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa.
We never said mansplaining.

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You, Bob, you are a man and you
explain.

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And I might explain, but I am
not a mansplainer, Sir.

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My favorite thing when you do,
Brad explains.

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I think I've told you this
before, is that you always

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start, Brad explains by saying
the name of the movie.

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And then is a film.
As if, like that wasn't a given

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Shadow of a Doubt is a film
about, but like, oh thank God

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you weren't reviewing the stage
play.

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I think Lord of the Rings is a
book that's really freaking

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long.
I'm in your head now.

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I can tell as soon as you start
doing it today, you're going to

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be like, I can't say that this
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I can't do it.
I think it's AI think it's a

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leftover from the meme of like
West Side Story is undoubtedly a

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movie full of characters and
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All right.
Well, on that note, let me

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finish what I was saying.
You've often seen the movie for

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the first time.
This is your first time seeing

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this movie, right?
Yes, I did.

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I did not have a surprise.
Oh, I've seen this before.

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Moment like last week.
You know what?

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One of the podcast that my wife
listens to.

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At the end of every episode they
Fact Check themselves.

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And I've started thinking we
should probably start doing

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that, at least for the prior,
the prior week of our podcast.

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But I'm two weeks late on this.
I went back and listened to the

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Notorious episode the other day.
And now you weren't trying to

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state a fact, but you were just
kind of ballparking it.

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We were talking about how
Hitchcock was like in the middle

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of his career when he made
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And you said, like, you know,
Bob, you had told me that this

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was like his 12th, 15th movie.
I went back and counted up how

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many movies he had made before
Notorious 37.

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Yeah, it was.
It was like 36 movies.

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Oh my gosh.
Dude, so we were off by a little

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bit there.
Just just a tiny bit.

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Just get the intern on it, man.
We really do.

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We need the film and whiskey
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Yeah, we're taking Applications
F&W podcast@gmail.com.

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One of the things that you can
do as intern is count down the

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clock as Brad gets into.
Brad explains.

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I have set up 60 seconds here
and you get to spoil this entire

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movie.
So folks, if you have not seen

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Shadow of a Doubt and you'd like
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this is the time to hit pause.
Join us after you've watched the

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movie.
Because Brad, we didn't spoil it

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already by.
By saying the guy did it

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repeatedly.
All right, dude, 60 seconds on

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the clock and go.
Shadow of a Doubt is a film

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about.
Nailed it.

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Shadow of a film is a shadow of
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Film.
I love it.

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Shadow of a Doubt is a film
about a young woman played by

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Teresa Wright, who is utterly
bored with her life and

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dissatisfied with the way her
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She wishes and thinks about
writing to her uncle, her

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favorite uncle Charlie, who
she's named after, to come and

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visit them.
Sure enough, he has telegrammed

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them already before she even
knew it, letting her know that

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he is on his way.
And by the way, he's a murderer.

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He killed a bunch of widows that
he thinks are fat and sloppy

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pigs.
So yeah, he comes.

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Teresa Wright finds him out.
The dad is an amateur sleuth

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with his buddy who shows up
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The end?
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Oh, fun fact.
Teresa Wright murders her uncle.

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She sure does.
She becomes what she swore she

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could never be.
Oh, twist.

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That's the real twist.
There it is, man.

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The murderer she never knew was
inside of her.

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All right.
Must be genetic.

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So Shadow of a Doubt is an
interesting movie to talk about,

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Brad.
And I think you know from my

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point of view, I if I could use
one word to sum up this whole

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movie, it's like almost almost
is the word that works best for

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this movie.
It almost pulls off everything

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it's trying to do.
It has this, this theme that

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it's trying to say about like
repressing our own nature and

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are we destined to do these
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The the link between these
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kind of a thing genetic?
Is this evil lurking within all

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of us just beneath the surface
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And I think that it kind of
teases some really big ideas and

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some really interesting paths
that it could have gone down and

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it never quite goes down any of
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And so it's an interesting movie
because it it's like a stepping

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stone movie for Hitchcock.
You can see where he ends up

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going and doing way better.
And in this movie, it's just

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almost there, you know, It's
100% fully there for me in this

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film, and I'm here for it.
What's that The dad and his

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friend talking about how we're
not talking about murder, We're

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talking about how we would
murder each other.

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That's one of the best lines in
the whole movie.

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I could watch hours of Clarence
from It's a Wonderful Life and

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what's his name?
Hume.

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Human.
Hume.

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Cronin.
Yeah, yeah, just going on and on

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and on about how they would
murder each other.

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That absolutely made my day.
They are the Comic Relief of

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this movie and I think that if
this movie does anything really

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well, it is to show.
How this kind of quaint, small

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town life can both be upended by
the presence of this murderer

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and also kind of reflect that
murderer at the same time.

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You know, the dad is talking
about murder the entire movie,

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and because he seems innocuous
enough, they kind of brush that

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aside.
But then the guy who is, you

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know, suave and sophisticated is
actually murdering people.

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It's a really interesting
dynamic and I think they do a

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really good job at kind of, you
know, showing.

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What the quaint American
household looks like.

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If you read the credits of this
movie, it says that the

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playwright Thornton Wilder
helped in some ways with the

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development of the movie, which
I thought was really

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interesting.
You know if you ever read the

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play Our Town when you were like
in high school, Brad, we had to

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read it one year It there's a
lot of parallels here.

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And he's he was kind of known as
the chronicler of this kind of

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Americana.
And I think that, you know, for

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being a a British person who had
lived in America only for a few

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years at this point, Hitchcock
does a really good job at

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capturing that.
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And a large part of that comes
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lived in Is it Santa Rosa or
Santa Clara?

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No, I don't know.
One of them.

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Santa something.
I didn't look up his address

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before we started,
unfortunately.

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Well, he lived in the town that
is, you know, mentioned and the

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not mentioned in the town that
Teresa Wright and her family

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live in.
He lived there and you know, his

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mother had gotten extremely ill
back in London, but it was

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during, you know, the air raids
over London during World War 2.

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So he wasn't able to go back and
visit and he talked about how

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the warmness and the kindness of
this small Californian town

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always really, you know, stuck
with him and was meaningful to

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him.
And so I I think that this film

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you said earlier that it's his
one of his more sincere films

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compared to some of the cynical
looks of other ones.

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I think that stands out in his
filmography because like the the

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Santa, I'm going to say Santa
Rosa, the Santa Rosa that he

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presents here is just so
charming and nice.

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And they're just like, yeah,
here's this random big city guy

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coming in from the East Coast
and we're going to we, we like

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him so much, never having met
him, that we're going to give

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him the reins to like give a
whole lecture at our Country

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Club.
Like like they're just so kind

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and welcoming and they're not
punished for believing in the

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bad guy.
And I think that that is the

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least cynical take that
Hitchcock could ever take in a

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movie.
And yet at the same time,

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though, because he has such
cynical takes throughout his

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career.
I kept wondering, like, are you

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trying to portray these people
in a really sincere way or is

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this like your most cynical joke
ever?

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Do you know what I mean?
Like I couldn't tell if it was

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so over the top sincere that it
was like tipping back into

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cynicism again And and I keep
thinking of this movie from

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almost a decade later called
Night of the Hunter.

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Really great movie and it's it's
kind of similar.

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It's about a serial killer who
weds these kids.

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Mom.
And you know, they they figure

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out that he is a murderer and
then he ends up chasing them

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like cross country.
It's like a it's a crazy movie.

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It's really, really good.
But the way that the director

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Charles Laughton shot that movie
is almost like it leans even

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more into like the surreal.
It's it's so Americana that it

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looks almost dreamlike.
It doesn't look like a real

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place.
And I feel like this movie kind

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of tears on the edge of that.
It can't tell if it wants to be.

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You know Boone City from best
years of our lives and be like a

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really close to reality
representation of America.

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Or if it's more like Bedford
Falls and It's A Wonderful Life

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and it's let you know.
It's it's what we remember

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America being, even if it's not
what it really is.

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Yeah, it's hard because all of
the characters in this movie are

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so over the top and like so
ridiculous in their portrayal

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that it's hard for me to tell if
he is being sincere or insincere

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in their portrayal.
If it's a Bedford Falls or a

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Boon City or I I really don't
know.

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I think that this is a movie,
that it probably tells you a lot

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about yourself when you watch
it, cause for me, I tried to

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watch it and just be like, this
is all ridiculous.

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I'm just going to believe in the
world that we're in and have a

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good time with it, even if it
feels very unlausible.

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The the amount of hoops that
they have to jump through to

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believe that like these
detectives, you know, federal

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agents are like following a guy
that they don't have a picture

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of.
They have no idea what he looks

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like.
And yet we're just, we just

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showed up at this house and we
think that we're just going to

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take pictures of your house and
you're going to believe us.

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And it it's pretty ridiculous,
man.

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Yeah.
So to give a little bit more

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back story on what actually
happens in the movie.

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So Joseph Cotton escapes from
these two policemen who were

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chasing him at the beginning of
the movie.

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So you know that he's wanted for
something and probably guilty of

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it.
He arrives in this idyllic town

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and just shacks up with his
sister's family and very, like,

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openly just tells everyone like,
I'm never leaving, I'm staying

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here forever in a very pompous
way.

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But yeah, about midway through
the movie, these two detectives

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show up.
And they, they explained to

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Teresa Wright what they're doing
there and that they suspect her

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uncle of being a serial killer.
And it's interesting because to

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your point, Brad, like they
don't have a picture of him.

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They don't have any hard
evidence linking him to it.

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And I, to be frank, I don't even
remember exactly how they

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explained that they tracked him
there or like, what their

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suspicion is like if they don't
know what he looks like or what

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he's been doing.
I don't even know how he came up

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on their radar.
Did you pick up on that at all?

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No, not at all.
There is no evidence linking the

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man living in the what's her
name, the Newtons in the Newton

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household, to the the serial
killer.

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Completely on the opposite side
of the country.

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You know what though?
It's that old fashioned

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detective thing where it's just
a hunch.

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I got a good hunch on this one.
I got a good hunch on this one.

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See.
Oh man.

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Yeah, so OK, let's talk
performances a little bit,

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because we've already pointed
out the implausibility of some

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of this plot.
The two main characters here are

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Joseph Cotton as serial killer
and Teresa Wright as innocent

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girl.
And they they never actually

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prove that he's a serial killer.
All right, that's all I'm

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saying.
They.

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They don't prove it, but he
straight up confesses it like,

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OK, he's under dress, Bob.
It's not legally binding.

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Why don't we start with Teresa
writes?

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Because we've already talked
about her recently with the Best

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Years of Our lives.
And at that time, I said I like

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Teresa Wright a lot.
But she seemed to get

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pigeonholed playing like a 15
year old, even when she was

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almost 30.
And that's kind of what she's

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doing here.
I don't know if they even say

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what her actual age is in this
movie, but as I was reading the

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synopsis of this film, it
specifically called her a

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teenager.
So I think she's like 2324 at

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the time this movie gets made,
so she's playing slightly

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younger than what she really is.
It just gets to a point where

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it's it's hard to buy for me
because she doesn't look like a

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teenager.
She has a very youthful face,

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but it's very obvious that she's
like a woman.

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She is a grown woman playing a
little girl in both of these

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movies that well, I took it as
she was a little bit older.

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I was thinking she was
portraying like a 19 to 21 year

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old because when they're in the
the bar and her school friend

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comes up and says, oh, we were
in school together a few years

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back and now I've got this job
as a waitress and I, you know,

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can't hold a job and and it
seemed like, yeah, like we

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graduated a few years ago and
this girl.

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Hold a view to assume that that
girl graduated.

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That that's true, man.
I'm pretty sure she was 15.

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She just, you know, she had to
go to work.

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Her plot line.
Yeah, man, her plot line felt a

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lot like the mother who has
cancer in the room.

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Like, she just comes on screen
and is like, I can't hold down a

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job and I'm being used and my
life is terrible.

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And Teresa Wright and Joseph
Cotton are like.

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Oh wow, cool.
Please go away.

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Anyways, back to our story about
murder.

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We're trying to confront each
other here.

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So I I think the tree I, in my
mind, in my world that I've

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created about Shadow of a Doubt,
I think she's like 2021 years

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old, OK?
Fair.

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Here's the thing.
I love me some Teresa Wright.

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I think she's incredible.
I think Joseph Cotton's

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incredible in this, our second
Joseph Cotton movie.

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Is that correct?
After Citizen Kane, yeah,

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Jedediah, which is an incredible
name.

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We need to bring the name
Jedediah back.

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Jed, we need some Jed's.
We do.

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So Joseph Cotton, Look.
Well, you know you're right.

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Let's not get off Teresa Wright
yet.

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Go ahead and finish your thought
on how beautiful and wonderful

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she is.
Oh, she's incredible.

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I I think I'm in like movie star
love with Teresa Wright.

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Here's the thing.
This is, as I said, the more

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sincere of a Hitchcockian film.
However, what's up with with

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Charlie and Charlie trying to
get it on the entire movie?

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Yeah, there's some weird incest
stuff going on in this movie.

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Super duper weird vibes going
on.

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I mean between the two every.
And you know, like it is.

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It's one thing for a young girl
to have a crush on somebody,

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right?
Like, if she was 12, this would

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make more sense where she, like,
has a crush on her uncle and you

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know that that's not going
anywhere and that she's not

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thinking it through because
she's 12.

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This is a full grown woman and
she's like telling her uncle

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we're not like regular uncles
and and niece and it's like,

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wait a minute, I'm sorry, what
what's going on?

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What kind of uncle and niece are
you then?

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Also, I'm not saying I wouldn't
watch that movie, I'm just

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saying I'm surprised to see it
here.

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I don't know if that would have
gotten by the censors, probably

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not 43, but if I'm being honest,
I don't know how this got by the

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censors.
It is super awkward like the the

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writers of the writers of
Leviticus.

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I do not think would have been
comfortable with this.

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They would have been stoned in
the street, man.

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They would have, man.
Oh, that's funny.

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All right.
So I don't really know what else

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to say about Teresa Wright at
this point.

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She's good in this movie.
I don't know that I would say

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she's better than she was in in
best years of our lives.

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I really preferred her character
there.

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She also had a lot more to work
with dramatically there, whereas

449
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,950
this one, she's just kind of.
A young, innocent girl who is

450
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:56,670
terrified for part of the movie.
And she's good.

451
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:58,950
But, you know, there's just not
as much to do.

452
00:24:59,550 --> 00:25:01,110
I'll disagree with you a little
bit there.

453
00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:03,390
I think she's the best
performance in this movie.

454
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:06,070
Like, I think Joseph Cotton is
great.

455
00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:11,950
I think that Teresa Wright has
enough moments of like

456
00:25:11,950 --> 00:25:16,390
vacillating between, like, love
for her family and love for her

457
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:20,690
uncle, which gets weird.
But the the descent into terror,

458
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:25,130
I think is really well done and
I think she just plays afraid

459
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:28,490
really, really well.
And so I think, I think for me,

460
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:31,890
I really like Teresa in this.
On the other hand, you have

461
00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:34,970
Joseph Cotton, who like we said,
is our second Joseph Cotton

462
00:25:34,970 --> 00:25:36,790
movie.
We have not gotten around to

463
00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:40,190
watching the movie The Third
Man, which is widely considered

464
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:43,990
one of the, I don't know, 2025
best movies ever made.

465
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:45,950
We will get to that movie at
some point.

466
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:48,310
But that is the other film that
Joseph Cotton is really

467
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:50,790
remembered for.
And Brad, I sent you a quote

468
00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:53,750
earlier that I found from Joseph
Cotton where he talked about how

469
00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:57,430
you know, Orson Welles said his
favorite movie of his is Citizen

470
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:59,350
Kane.
Hitchcock said his favorite is

471
00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:03,310
Shadow of a Doubt and Oliver and
Oliver Reed and Carol Reed said

472
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:05,350
The Third Man.
And I'm in all three.

473
00:26:06,010 --> 00:26:08,970
And I'm like, what a badass, you
know, right?

474
00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:13,290
No, I think he's just going to
mention I I was in all three.

475
00:26:13,650 --> 00:26:15,330
I think he's really good here,
man.

476
00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:19,210
And if the script doesn't do him
any favors in terms of the

477
00:26:19,210 --> 00:26:21,570
subtlety department, that's not
really his fault.

478
00:26:21,770 --> 00:26:25,930
He's really good at being
menacing and charming in equal

479
00:26:25,930 --> 00:26:29,210
measure.
And you really do get the sense

480
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:32,970
that Teresa Wright is trapped in
this House and in this situation

481
00:26:32,970 --> 00:26:35,090
with the guy.
And I think he does a great job

482
00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:38,250
of leveraging that sort of power
dis imbalance.

483
00:26:39,130 --> 00:26:41,370
I wish that that had gone on
longer.

484
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:45,890
Like like I I think this movie
is perfectly timed hour and 45

485
00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:48,370
minutes that like it's a good
length of film.

486
00:26:48,890 --> 00:26:53,370
But I wish a little more of the
runtime had been devoted to the

487
00:26:53,370 --> 00:26:57,210
kind of the cat and mouse game
between Charlie and Charlie that

488
00:26:57,210 --> 00:27:00,490
like there was just something
about that portion of the film

489
00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:03,980
that I was fully engaged in.
And I think it's it's partially

490
00:27:03,980 --> 00:27:07,940
because kind of the sappiness
falls away and it's just a

491
00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:12,340
thriller between 2:00, you know
your protagonist and antagonist.

492
00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:14,980
And I I really enjoyed that part
of the film a lot.

493
00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:17,100
I did too.
And it really seems to get there

494
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,700
towards the end of the movie,
like the last 25 minutes.

495
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:23,260
They're trying to outsmart each
other and kind of devise ways

496
00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:26,500
for the other person to either
get killed or to get caught

497
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,180
trying to kill her.
And so she's putting herself in

498
00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:31,260
harm's way.
She's trying to trick him.

499
00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:34,620
He's trying to catch her.
Brad, this isn't the my second

500
00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:38,500
time seeing this movie.
And I remembered the scene with

501
00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:42,620
the broken step outside the
house, and for some reason in my

502
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:45,460
mind I remember that coming back
again.

503
00:27:45,460 --> 00:27:47,860
Like she tricked him into
running down that step.

504
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:51,420
It never comes back again.
And I think like that's that's

505
00:27:51,420 --> 00:27:53,380
why I keep going to the almost
thing.

506
00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:57,940
There's some really clever
setups for like a Chekhov's gun

507
00:27:57,940 --> 00:28:01,420
situation for something to come
back around and pay off at the

508
00:28:01,460 --> 00:28:03,980
end and.
You know, the way this movie

509
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:08,540
ends isn't anti climactic, but
it's also like, oh OK, we're

510
00:28:08,540 --> 00:28:10,420
just going to like have him fall
off a train.

511
00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:13,660
Like I thought that was going to
be a little bit more clever than

512
00:28:13,660 --> 00:28:16,140
that.
And I think that's that's part

513
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:19,900
of what is ultimately
unsatisfying about this movie.

514
00:28:20,940 --> 00:28:24,660
Teresa Wright should have like
grabbed his wrist and gripped so

515
00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:27,940
hard that he, like, loses his
grip and then she reaches up and

516
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:30,730
strangles him.
That, like that would have been

517
00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:33,530
the best way to end the film in,
in my humble opinion.

518
00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:36,210
To to truly become the killer
inside.

519
00:28:38,370 --> 00:28:44,050
Yeah, the the ending felt a
little anti climactic and but it

520
00:28:44,050 --> 00:28:48,250
fit the rest of the film like as
unbelievable as so many of the

521
00:28:48,250 --> 00:28:52,490
plot elements of this movie
were, the fact that she just is

522
00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:57,530
able to you know kind of reverse
the the grip that he has on her

523
00:28:57,530 --> 00:29:00,930
and casually push him out.
It's like yeah, sure, why not

524
00:29:01,610 --> 00:29:06,050
Sure you you do you Hitchcock.
I'm just here for the ride.

525
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:09,530
All right, man, I think this is
a good place to hit pause.

526
00:29:09,530 --> 00:29:11,810
We're both just here for the
ride today, and we're going to

527
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:15,850
see where this ride takes us as
we revisit 1792.

528
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:17,930
What do you say?
Do I have to?

529
00:29:19,170 --> 00:29:21,570
I've not been enjoying 1792 so
far.

530
00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:23,730
And The thing is, I feel bad
because they're not even like

531
00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:28,160
bad whiskeys, but I feel like
we've been on a run of like 35

532
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,560
and up for a while now, so to to
hit a few in a row that aren't

533
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,560
that feels strange, Bob all.
Right.

534
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:41,560
Well, let's get to it, Brad.
All right.

535
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,080
Today we are trying 1792 High
Rye.

536
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,000
This is a special release from
1792 and it's interesting

537
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,640
because they market the regular
1792 as a high rye bourbon.

538
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,680
So this this, this should have
been called Higher Rye.

539
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,280
I think Highest Rye their third
release.

540
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,120
Oh man.
Yeah.

541
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,080
So once again, this is a
cannabis infused rye, highest

542
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,440
rye.
Once again, this is a this is an

543
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,800
undisclosed mash bill, so we
have no idea exactly how much

544
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,200
rye is in it.
But you know, trust us bro.

545
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,360
It's high rye.
So much rye.

546
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,400
It's once again coming in at
94.3 proof.

547
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,840
At one time this did carry an 8
year age statement.

548
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,520
It is currently not an 8 year
age stated whiskey.

549
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,640
So we don't know exactly what
the ages are in this blend.

550
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,200
I think Brad, if there's one
frustrating thing about this,

551
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,400
it's that I don't have any info
to go on here.

552
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,760
And you know, typically we don't
care, like as long as the

553
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,200
whiskey's good, like whatever.
But it's nice to be able to at

554
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,570
least tell people.
What the percentages are when

555
00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:52,490
you're going to call it high
rye, Yeah, I was going to say I

556
00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:55,610
like, I have some friends who
are like super deep into the

557
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:58,930
whiskey world and they want to
know all that information about

558
00:30:58,930 --> 00:31:02,370
everything they drink.
I like, that's great for them.

559
00:31:02,370 --> 00:31:05,610
I I'm, I'm glad for them.
I enjoy that because I'm on a

560
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:08,930
podcast where we're trying to
inform people and I think that's

561
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:10,930
why we want to know the
information.

562
00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:15,630
But overall, like, you know,
experiencing things blind is is

563
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:20,270
sometimes a lot more fun.
And so I I think it's OK with me

564
00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:23,350
personally when there's not a
ton of information out there.

565
00:31:23,830 --> 00:31:26,550
It makes it more fun to kind of
guess and think about it when I

566
00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:29,630
drink it.
But as a consumer who is trying

567
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:32,590
to inform the public, give us
more information.

568
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:35,990
I'm really excited to dive back
into the wry side of things

569
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:38,840
after last week's Sweet Wheat.
You know, Brad, I was thinking

570
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,440
we, we actually have had at
least one 1792 product on the

571
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120
show before this run.
Way back in, like season one or

572
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,600
two.
We had a flight of whiskey sent

573
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,560
to us by Bourbon charity and it
was a flight of all bottled and

574
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,360
bond stuff.
And the one that you and I liked

575
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,600
the best was 1792 Bottled and
Bond.

576
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,160
And we got notes of banana on
that thing.

577
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,920
Like I want to recapture the
magic of what we had way back

578
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,130
then.
And if anything's going to do

579
00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:11,010
it, I guess it's going back to
the original mash bill or some

580
00:32:11,010 --> 00:32:14,330
variation on it.
So let's dive into higher rye

581
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:17,810
version.
Let's dive into higher rye and

582
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:19,290
tell me what you're picking up
on the nose, Brad.

583
00:32:20,290 --> 00:32:24,530
Last week we talked about this.
I got a little bit of acetone

584
00:32:24,530 --> 00:32:28,730
last week that just lingered.
It's still here a tiny bit this

585
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:32,050
week, but it's oh, it's
overpowered nicely.

586
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:37,670
Buy some cinnamon, and then all
I could think of as I knows this

587
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:43,110
was like the sour caramel apple
pops that we had as a kid.

588
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:46,710
You know what I'm talking about?
Like it's it's caramel Y, but

589
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:48,590
it's it's not caramel.
And it's.

590
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:53,150
Also Apple pop it is.
Caramel Apple pop Yeah, no, I

591
00:32:53,150 --> 00:32:54,950
like that.
I I actually I do get a little

592
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:57,350
bit of like.
Holes on this This smells like a

593
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,030
bourbon.
I would say that the last two

594
00:32:59,030 --> 00:33:01,390
weeks they haven't really
smelled in like in the classic

595
00:33:01,390 --> 00:33:04,070
bourbon realm.
This is definitely a more

596
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:08,110
classical bourbon nose.
One thing I will say is that I

597
00:33:08,110 --> 00:33:11,750
don't, I wouldn't necessarily
say that the ethanol is really

598
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:17,070
strong on this one, but the nose
reminds me of some, you know,

599
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:19,630
some random bourbon that I've
had recently that is like a

600
00:33:19,630 --> 00:33:22,790
barrel proof bourbon.
Like it smells barrel proof and

601
00:33:22,790 --> 00:33:24,110
I don't know how else to explain
it.

602
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,160
It's not as if the ethanol is
like singing my nostrils here,

603
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,000
but I'm surprised to see that
it's only, what, 93 proof again?

604
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,840
Yeah, it definitely has a little
kick to it.

605
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,600
There's a lot going on I like.
This a lot.

606
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,400
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2 on
the nose.

607
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,040
Yeah, I'm just below you.
I'm at a 7 out of 10 on the

608
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,760
nose.
As I got into the actual pallet

609
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,320
here, I I felt like I ran into
some similar issues from the

610
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,370
last few weeks.
You know, I get some rye spice

611
00:33:54,370 --> 00:33:56,170
here.
It it definitely for, you know,

612
00:33:56,170 --> 00:33:58,930
for what we said at the start,
it's definitely a higher rye

613
00:33:58,930 --> 00:34:01,090
content.
There's vanilla.

614
00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:04,450
The the caramel kind of
disappears for me and it turns

615
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:08,889
into just kind of like a sour
apple peel, which isn't too bad,

616
00:34:08,889 --> 00:34:13,409
but the flavor just kind of
doesn't pack the punch I'm

617
00:34:13,409 --> 00:34:16,400
hoping for.
I'm at a six out of 10 on the on

618
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,159
the pallet.
This one is really.

619
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,400
Interesting, because there's a
lot of sweetness underlying the

620
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,800
really charry, toasty oak notes,
but the sweetness is kind of

621
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239
like simple syrup, like it's
just sugar and water.

622
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,080
I don't get a ton of complexity
or like honey or anything like

623
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,600
that.
And then again, last week I

624
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,000
think I got a lot of leather on
it.

625
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
I think this week it's not quite
so much leather.

626
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,040
There's some tobacco, but it's
just heavily toasted oak.

627
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,719
You know, we we've talked a lot
about the difference between

628
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,000
char and toasted oak, and I
think with toasted oak it's a

629
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,040
little bit more, I don't know,
bitter sour than you get with

630
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,960
like a really heavy char and I
I'm getting that here.

631
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,680
The oak really overtakes things
for me, coupled with a pretty, I

632
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,560
don't know if if the words
bland, the sweetness makes

633
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,400
sense, but that's kind of what
I'm going with here.

634
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,040
I'm just going to give this a 6
1/2 on the palate.

635
00:35:06,970 --> 00:35:08,490
Yeah.
No, no joke.

636
00:35:08,570 --> 00:35:11,490
On the finish, I wrote the words
generically sweet.

637
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:15,850
Like the finish is kind of thin.
It's a little bit short.

638
00:35:15,850 --> 00:35:20,010
It's generically sweet.
I I didn't get a lot of the

639
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:23,810
spiciness that often comes on a
higher rye finish.

640
00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:28,130
It's not bad.
There's just once again not

641
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:31,050
enough character here for me to
really be wowed.

642
00:35:31,610 --> 00:35:33,810
I I was at a 5 1/2 on the
finish.

643
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:35,410
I mean, I'm going to beat A6.
And a half.

644
00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:37,370
Again, I don't think there's
anything wrong with it.

645
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:39,050
There's nothing to write home
about either.

646
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:42,090
I will say this, and it's going
to sound way more harsh than I

647
00:35:42,090 --> 00:35:44,810
mean it.
But like when I try to get

648
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:48,250
people into whiskey and they
tell me about the things in

649
00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:50,610
whiskey they don't like, like
some of the flavors they don't

650
00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:53,250
like, or how harsh it can be or
whatever.

651
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:55,850
I actually think this is what
they're describing.

652
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:57,170
Do you do?
You know what I mean?

653
00:35:57,490 --> 00:35:59,850
And that's not to say, well
listen, very harsh sounding it

654
00:35:59,850 --> 00:36:01,210
is.
It does not very harsh.

655
00:36:01,490 --> 00:36:04,150
But like.
I don't think this is a flawed

656
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:05,670
whiskey.
I don't think this is.

657
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:07,590
There's like something wrong
with the distillate here.

658
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:11,430
I also think that, like if you
were to put this in front of

659
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:15,670
someone as their very first
whiskey, it's challenging to get

660
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:17,590
through like it.
It really is.

661
00:36:17,590 --> 00:36:21,350
You have to be willing to, you
know, Brad, we've tried like 506

662
00:36:21,350 --> 00:36:24,910
hundred whiskeys on this show
now, and even now this is not my

663
00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:27,870
preferred flavor Wheelhouse or
bourbon.

664
00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:31,090
There's too much toasted oak,
there's too much tobacco.

665
00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:35,250
It's really like it's a it's a
more bitter tasting bourbon.

666
00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:39,490
And I think that that's kind of
like, I guess what I'm trying to

667
00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:42,170
say is this is the opposite of a
gateway into whiskey.

668
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:47,570
I think for most people it's
still not bad, but if you're not

669
00:36:47,570 --> 00:36:50,330
a fan of bourbon, I don't know
that this would even appeal to

670
00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:52,030
you.
Yeah.

671
00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:55,990
And and so, you know, we'll just
kind of Sprint through balance.

672
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:57,790
I gave a six out of 10.
Where are you at, Bob?

673
00:36:58,070 --> 00:37:02,510
I'll do 6 1/2 again.
Yeah, value is the hard part.

674
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:06,470
So like I saw that in the state
of Ohio this is $40.00.

675
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:10,800
But it's not really sold in the
state of Ohio anymore.

676
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,280
And I don't know is it still a
special release, Bob like it is

677
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,480
a special release.
It's only.

678
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,760
Released once a year in limited
quantities.

679
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,000
And you know, we we always pull
some of our stats from the

680
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,480
website Breaking Bourbon.
We've given them a lot of

681
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,320
publicity here because they do
great work, but even on their

682
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,320
website they said hey.
You know, if there is a silver

683
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,320
lining to this whiskey, it's
that it's a special release

684
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,040
bourbon that is priced
significantly lower than special

685
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,960
releases from other companies.
And I do think we have to give

686
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,120
them a little bit of credit
there, like 36 dollars MSRP.

687
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,200
You know, you're probably
getting this for like 50 bucks

688
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,320
if you find it anywhere.
I I don't think that's a bad

689
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,400
price for a special release.
I don't like this whiskey, Brad,

690
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,440
and I know that that's how you
kind of evaluate value.

691
00:37:57,870 --> 00:38:00,270
But if I'm just looking at it
strictly from a market

692
00:38:00,270 --> 00:38:02,910
perspective, I don't think it's
a bad value.

693
00:38:02,910 --> 00:38:04,670
I'll give it once again a six
and a half.

694
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:12,230
Yeah, I I think.
For a limited edition 36

695
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:17,310
dollars, I'll give it a 5 1/2
out of 10 like I think that's a

696
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:20,590
decent value.
It's not great, mostly because

697
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:22,470
the the juice just isn't the
best.

698
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,840
All right, Brad.
So that's bringing me.

699
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,080
To a 33.5 out of 50, what are
you coming to?

700
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,160
Right, Right.
Kind of dead on 30 out of 50.

701
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,800
All right.
That's the same as you were.

702
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,000
Last week with the Sweet Wheat.
So you know, I hate to make you

703
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,880
pick between two things you
really don't care for.

704
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,720
But which of the two did you
prefer?

705
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,700
I think the sweet wheat Me too.
Yeah, I think it just had a

706
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:48,940
little.
A little.

707
00:38:48,940 --> 00:38:54,220
It represented A weeded bourbon
much better than this represents

708
00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:56,340
a high rye bourbon.
Yeah, I was really looking

709
00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:57,620
forward.
To this one man, because I

710
00:38:57,620 --> 00:39:00,460
thought the nose had so much
promise compared to the last

711
00:39:00,460 --> 00:39:03,620
two, I I totally agree.
But it's definitely our lowest.

712
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:11,700
Rated one at a 31.75 out of 50
or a 63 1/2 out of 100.

713
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:14,260
I'm not going to recommend this
trying or buying.

714
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:16,700
I just don't mean I don't think
it's really up to snuff, Man.

715
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,680
No, I'm.
I'm with you. 1792 has not

716
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,240
impressed for me so far, man.
I'm really excited to try the

717
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,680
foolproof when we get to that
one in our last week, both

718
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,200
because I want to see if these
samples that we were sent have

719
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,760
something off on them and.
Because it gives me a chance.

720
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,880
To bust open my actual bottle
that I have of Foolproof on the

721
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,160
shelf and kind of compare and
contrast 'cause I remember

722
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,840
loving the Foolproof.
But I'm kind of with you man.

723
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,360
These three have been more of a
let down than I was

724
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,190
anticipating.
Yeah.

725
00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:51,390
Well, Speaking of more of a let
down than you were anticipating,

726
00:39:51,790 --> 00:39:53,870
let's get into our next section,
Bob.

727
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:56,110
All right, Brad, let's get to
it.

728
00:39:59,950 --> 00:40:03,910
All right, everybody that was.
1792 The highest rye.

729
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:08,030
A whiskey that probably had a
lot of rye in it.

730
00:40:08,430 --> 00:40:10,470
You know, probably.
Who's to say?

731
00:40:11,110 --> 00:40:13,990
Who's to say?
I have a shadow of a doubt about

732
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:16,150
that, Brad.
You know, it has a lot of, you

733
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:19,190
know, it has a lot of Canadians
in it.

734
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:21,270
Is it Canada?
Canada's.

735
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:25,470
Favorite segment, 2 facts and a
falsehood Brad is going to.

736
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:30,990
Try to stump your ball. 2 All
right and what is wrong?

737
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:35,070
2 facts and a falsehood.
Wait, was that really your?

738
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:36,830
Segue What has a lot of
Canadians?

739
00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:42,100
2 facts and a falsehood.
Is the part of the podcast where

740
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:45,820
Brad presents three items to me
as fact about the making of this

741
00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:49,460
movie, one of which is a
complete lie and fabrication and

742
00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:51,340
I have to figure out which one
that is.

743
00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:54,420
Bob, how you've been doing.
I just want to.

744
00:40:54,460 --> 00:40:57,620
Win one.
I'm not asking for a clean sweep

745
00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:00,580
at the end of this season.
I'm so upset about last week.

746
00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:02,980
Still, Brad, I feel like you
purposely tripped me up.

747
00:41:03,420 --> 00:41:07,060
I was just helping you work
through the logic of your

748
00:41:07,060 --> 00:41:09,230
statements, Bob.
I'm very upset, but I.

749
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:12,110
This week I will not say a
single word.

750
00:41:12,110 --> 00:41:16,030
I'll just read the facts to you
and let you come to your own

751
00:41:16,030 --> 00:41:18,830
conclusion, unimpeded by my
influence.

752
00:41:18,830 --> 00:41:22,710
It's it's really.
More crushing when it happens

753
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:25,390
with a movie that I love as much
as Rope because I thought that I

754
00:41:25,390 --> 00:41:28,630
had it pegged and I did have it
pegged this time around.

755
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:30,710
I'm like, I don't really know a
lot about this movie.

756
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:35,990
It's a it's a pretty good movie,
but like I am not optimistic.

757
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,640
Yeah, you shouldn't be.
You're not good at this, all

758
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,440
right?
Man, hit me with your two facts

759
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,720
and a falsehood fact #1,
Charlie's sister mentions that

760
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,840
he had had an accident on a
bicycle when he was a boy.

761
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,400
Earl Nelson, the serial killer
on whom this story is loosely

762
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,560
based, suffered from an
extremely serious mental illness

763
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,920
which was attributed to a near
fatal bicycle accident in his

764
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,770
childhood.
Fact #2 Joseph Cotton and Teresa

765
00:42:03,770 --> 00:42:07,730
Wright's characters had about a
20 year age gap in the movie,

766
00:42:07,970 --> 00:42:10,810
but in real life they were only
seven years apart, with Cotton

767
00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:13,810
being born in 1911 and Wright in
1918.

768
00:42:14,970 --> 00:42:17,370
Fact #3.
While saying her prayers, Little

769
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:20,130
Anne asks for Captain Midnight
to be blessed.

770
00:42:20,570 --> 00:42:23,770
Captain Midnight was the main
character on a popular radio

771
00:42:23,770 --> 00:42:26,170
serial in the late 1930s and
40s.

772
00:42:26,450 --> 00:42:30,010
That followed Captain Midnight
as he fought spies and saboteurs

773
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:38,480
for the American government.
I have heard of Captain

774
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,760
Midnight.
Before there's actually a

775
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,520
YouTube account called Captain
Midnight, and they use, like the

776
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,680
clip from the old newsreels
featuring him, like the short oh

777
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,640
that's funny And like all his
videos.

778
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Start with Captain Midnight.
So, dude, announcers in the 30s.

779
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,000
They just knew what was what.
Oh, 100%.

780
00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:02,750
Like I I really bothers me that
we don't talk like that anymore.

781
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:05,750
Yeah, well, and.
The fact that, like radio DJs

782
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:08,950
have been the exact same since
like the late 80s, right?

783
00:43:09,550 --> 00:43:15,550
Like you could play the clip
from Parks and Rec of the IRA

784
00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:19,030
and the Douche?
Oh, 100% And like, it just fits

785
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:22,950
every single shock jock in
America for the last 40 years.

786
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:25,990
OK, you're throwing.
Me off?

787
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:27,190
You said you weren't going to
talk any.

788
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:31,240
I'm sorry, OK.
The serial killer one.

789
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,920
I I know that this was based on
a serial killer.

790
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,680
I have no idea whom or to what
extent he rode a.

791
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,040
I have no freaking idea.
No, you're not up on your, on

792
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,800
your serial killers on my.
Yeah, my Pee Wee Herman bike

793
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200
riding serial killers number. 2
sounds.

794
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,840
Plausible, but I have learned to
question that number.

795
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:59,310
Was which one?
What was #3?

796
00:44:00,350 --> 00:44:02,030
Captain Midnight?
Oh, Captain Midnight, I'm going

797
00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:03,510
to say.
Captain midnight's true.

798
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:07,710
Just because.
OK, how old?

799
00:44:08,110 --> 00:44:10,510
Was Joseph Cotton and Teresa
Wright?

800
00:44:10,510 --> 00:44:13,870
So I I think I said she's
probably like 27, I think in

801
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:17,390
best years of our lives, which
would put her at like 24 here,

802
00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:21,350
which means 1918 sounds
plausible, but when was Joseph

803
00:44:21,350 --> 00:44:23,550
Cotton born?
Was he 1911?

804
00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:27,120
He makes Citizen Kane.
In 41.

805
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,840
He it seems like.
He would be about 30 there.

806
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,600
I don't freaking know, man.
I'm going to say #2 is the

807
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,160
falsehood because you've been
trying to get me on these little

808
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,520
technicalities lately, so I'm
just going to go out on a limb

809
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,760
and say Joseph Cotton must be
older than I think he is.

810
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,840
And #2 is the falsehood locked
in, I'm going to lock it in.

811
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,320
Man, you're locking it in.
I'm locking it in.

812
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,850
Yeah.
You're positive?

813
00:44:56,770 --> 00:45:02,530
Come on, tell me.
Bob, you have officially reached

814
00:45:02,530 --> 00:45:09,130
500.
Oh man, yeah.

815
00:45:09,610 --> 00:45:14,610
So Cotton was born in 1907, I
believe.

816
00:45:14,610 --> 00:45:20,210
No 1919051905.
He was 36 years old when he made

817
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:22,610
Citizen Kane.
That's crazy, yeah.

818
00:45:22,930 --> 00:45:25,130
I never would have guessed
because, like, you know, Wells

819
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:29,170
was only 24 or something.
And I just kind of always

820
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:30,530
thought they were
contemporaries.

821
00:45:31,290 --> 00:45:33,170
Yeah, I know he was.
He was a little bit older.

822
00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:35,010
Wow.
Huh.

823
00:45:35,810 --> 00:45:38,570
But just older enough to be a
sexy uncle, you know?

824
00:45:39,810 --> 00:45:45,170
Isn't that the dream, Brad?
You know, it might be somebody's

825
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:46,290
dream.
Well, we're all shooting for

826
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:48,010
here.
It's 2023, man.

827
00:45:48,010 --> 00:45:49,890
Yeah, you know, don't.
Kink shame.

828
00:45:49,890 --> 00:45:51,970
I guess this is the theme of
this movie.

829
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:55,330
The shadow of a doubt.
Hashtag.

830
00:45:55,530 --> 00:45:57,210
No king Shaving.
All right, man.

831
00:45:57,210 --> 00:45:59,250
What do you want to talk?
About with the the rest of this

832
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,210
movie, because I feel like we
did a good job talking about

833
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:05,730
Hitchcock infusing this with a
kind of sincerity that he

834
00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:08,330
doesn't typically do.
I guess we could talk a little

835
00:46:08,330 --> 00:46:10,170
bit about the camera work.
That's something that you

836
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:12,290
mentioned I was about to say.
I was going to say you mentioned

837
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:15,330
it multiple.
Times in the early going of the

838
00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:19,370
episode and I think that the
camera, like the the composition

839
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:21,690
of the shots is really beautiful
in this movie.

840
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:25,410
I don't know that I think it's
as inventive of a camera as

841
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:29,330
rope, which I really loved, but
there are some shots in this

842
00:46:29,330 --> 00:46:31,250
movie.
I sent you a screenshot of one

843
00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:36,850
right after, right after Joseph.
Cotton realizes not only has she

844
00:46:36,850 --> 00:46:40,290
figured out who he is, but that
she is going to obstinately

845
00:46:40,290 --> 00:46:42,810
stand in his way until he does
something about it.

846
00:46:43,050 --> 00:46:46,010
And he's walking up the steps of
the house and he turns around

847
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:48,850
and then there's a point of view
shot from him looking down the

848
00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:51,410
steps to the front door where
Theresa Wright is standing.

849
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,480
And the shot that they compose
of her shadow being cast all the

850
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,800
way into the house, it it made
me pause the movie and just make

851
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,760
a mental note of I have to send
Brad a screenshot of this

852
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,320
because it's such a great shot.
Oh, it's incredible, dude.

853
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,000
And even just like the
storytelling aspect of like the

854
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,280
doorway represents a path to
freedom.

855
00:47:15,110 --> 00:47:18,710
They they light the shot so
beautifully because everything

856
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:21,110
inside the house is completely
dark.

857
00:47:21,550 --> 00:47:25,750
And then it's this bright light
and then her like this Angel

858
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:31,070
standing in his way keep barring
him from paradise like he oh

859
00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:35,190
dude, what an incredible shot.
I think that throughout the film

860
00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:39,830
he does a really great job of
keeping the camera at the right

861
00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:44,590
height for all of the shots.
And and I'm with you that the

862
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:48,470
movement of the camera might not
be the the best that he's ever

863
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:55,270
done but I think that the still
camera shots that he has he just

864
00:47:55,310 --> 00:47:58,830
always has him at the exact
right height like when the when

865
00:47:58,830 --> 00:48:01,590
the trains coming in it's a
famous shot the trains coming

866
00:48:01,590 --> 00:48:05,550
into town it's billowing out
this like black smoke it's

867
00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:08,630
rolling coal real hard Bob I
like literally.

868
00:48:08,670 --> 00:48:13,110
I was like, you know what?
I know we pollute a lot these

869
00:48:13,110 --> 00:48:15,890
days.
But it literally, like, obscured

870
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:19,410
the entire sky for miles.
Yeah, 100%.

871
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:22,170
And and like also like, let's
think, how many, how many takes

872
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:24,810
do you think it took to get that
shot, right?

873
00:48:24,810 --> 00:48:28,530
Like at least 10, right.
So there's a lot of pollutants

874
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:30,050
in the air.
It's no big deal.

875
00:48:30,330 --> 00:48:33,930
Here's the thing, though.
The way he keeps the camera just

876
00:48:33,930 --> 00:48:37,730
a little bit closer to ground
level than it would normally be

877
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:43,390
pushes the train and the smoke
into this menacing, like, larger

878
00:48:43,390 --> 00:48:47,150
than life figure.
And it's it's shots like that

879
00:48:47,150 --> 00:48:51,950
throughout the film, where the
camera always is presenting its

880
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:56,790
subjects in either the most
menacing or the most innocent of

881
00:48:56,790 --> 00:49:00,230
lights that I just I was like,
man, Hitchcock.

882
00:49:00,670 --> 00:49:03,800
He just knows what he's doing.
I was reading.

883
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,840
A thing about the, you know some
of the the shots in this movie

884
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,840
and they mentioned that the
scene where the the mom brings

885
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,960
him breakfast in bed, that the
way they designed the headboard

886
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:19,720
and his shadow cast upon it is
meant to look like dark wings.

887
00:49:20,190 --> 00:49:21,910
Like, he's the Angel of death
coming.

888
00:49:22,070 --> 00:49:24,030
And I didn't really notice it
when I watched the movie, but I

889
00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:25,070
didn't.
I didn't see it.

890
00:49:25,070 --> 00:49:26,750
You know, I didn't read that
until after I had seen the

891
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:28,550
movie.
So you're absolutely right.

892
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:33,310
Like, there's a ton of
iconography and and symbolism in

893
00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:36,710
the way this movie is shot.
I do think that once again,

894
00:49:36,750 --> 00:49:41,030
Hitchcock had such a fantastic
eye for what he wanted to put on

895
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:43,390
screen.
I was reading today an interview

896
00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:45,310
that he gave where they he
talked about how.

897
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:49,420
He had basically the whole movie
storyboarded with every movie

898
00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:51,180
that he did before he started
filming.

899
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:54,620
And the interviewer said, like,
you know, if you're going to pre

900
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:57,340
visualize the whole movie, like
what fun is it in directing?

901
00:49:57,340 --> 00:50:00,020
And he's like, it's not, I hate
it, I wish someone else could do

902
00:50:00,020 --> 00:50:01,580
it.
Like all the creativity is gone

903
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:03,020
by the time I get behind the
camera.

904
00:50:03,580 --> 00:50:06,660
And then the person says, well
then why don't you have someone

905
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:08,780
else shoot the movie?
And he said, well, they might

906
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:11,220
screw it up.
And I'm like, you know.

907
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,120
Good for you, Hitchcock.
A true work quote should be like

908
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,840
the definition for OTIR theory
100% man.

909
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,720
Brad, I think I'm in a good spot
talking about this movie.

910
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:25,760
For us to get into our final
segment of the day, which we

911
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,940
call, let's make it a double.
Near the end of the.

912
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:31,540
Episode.
So thanks listening to the film

913
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:33,940
and whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

914
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:35,380
this one, even if it's
struggling.

915
00:50:35,380 --> 00:50:37,980
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

916
00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:40,100
You're going to.
You're going to hate my.

917
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,540
Let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double is the.

918
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:46,380
Part of the podcast where we
pick a second movie to pair up

919
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:48,500
with this one to make the
perfect double feature.

920
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:51,140
I'm going to go really quickly
here because I've already

921
00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:53,700
mentioned mine.
I think Night of the Hunter is a

922
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,020
really great movie to pair up
with this one they're both

923
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:59,920
about.
You know Americana and

924
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:03,240
introducing the Angel of Death
into the equation and what that

925
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:05,040
might do.
I think if you wanted to go

926
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,240
modern with it, you could
probably pair it with something

927
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,320
like No Country for Old Men,
which kind of does the same

928
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,920
function or as Brad would call
it, No Country for Old Men.

929
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,040
I think.
I think that those are both they

930
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,600
really good.
But Night of the Hunters in

931
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,520
movie, I've never mentioned on
this show before.

932
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,640
So check that one out.
Yeah, don't check that out.

933
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,980
You should go watch.
So I married an axe murderer.

934
00:51:27,980 --> 00:51:30,380
There you go.
That's.

935
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:34,340
Actually a great one.
It's such a great campy film,

936
00:51:34,340 --> 00:51:37,580
man.
And as I was thinking about

937
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:42,700
other like, you know, whodunit
murderer films, I immediately

938
00:51:42,700 --> 00:51:47,980
was like, I remembered I was in
college and my, the church that

939
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:51,380
I worked for was like 4550
minutes away.

940
00:51:51,820 --> 00:51:53,900
And so a lot of times on
Saturday night, I would just

941
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:56,660
head up, hang out with my
pastor, we'd play some Madden,

942
00:51:56,660 --> 00:51:58,420
and then I just spend the night
in his basement.

943
00:51:58,940 --> 00:52:02,340
Well, one day his wife was like,
oh, you like movies.

944
00:52:02,540 --> 00:52:06,380
We need to watch this great film
that I loved when I was younger.

945
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:11,060
So I married an axe murderer and
I watched it with my pastor and

946
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:14,340
his wife.
And even as like a 1920 year

947
00:52:14,340 --> 00:52:19,180
old, I was like, this is not a
great movie, but I really love

948
00:52:19,180 --> 00:52:21,860
it.
I feel like you could talk

949
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:23,780
about.
A lot of like the early 90s

950
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:26,070
comedies.
You know, like, not a great

951
00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:29,670
movie, but I'm here for it.
Yeah, I mean, do you have you

952
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:36,510
have Mike Myers playing his fat
Scottish dad singing Rod.

953
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:39,750
What's his face?
Rod Stewart IF.

954
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:42,190
Yeah, if.
Yeah, I got sexy.

955
00:52:43,310 --> 00:52:45,470
It's incredible.
All right.

956
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:47,710
So I guess.
You can pair this movie up with

957
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:51,030
that that makes a perfectly
logical double feature.

958
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:53,630
Brad, let's get into final
scores here.

959
00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:58,790
You know, I want to be like the
movie critic who sees what what

960
00:52:58,790 --> 00:53:02,750
they all see in this movie and
mark it as an important movie at

961
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:05,470
the very least.
And like I understand the

962
00:53:05,470 --> 00:53:08,030
significance of this movie to
Hitchcock's career.

963
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:10,910
It just doesn't quite work for
me.

964
00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:14,510
It's like really close to
working, but at the end of the

965
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:17,510
day it's like a fun three star
diversion.

966
00:53:18,150 --> 00:53:20,950
Whereas I feel like something
like rope is a four-star

967
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:24,230
diversion, you know what I mean?
And and so for me, I'm just

968
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:26,750
going to give this a 7.5 out of
10.

969
00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:29,710
Yeah, I'm.
I'm in a similar place.

970
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:33,070
I really enjoyed the film and I
think that's what kept me in it,

971
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:37,710
is that all the silliness didn't
detract from the movie for me.

972
00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:40,870
I kind of enjoyed it.
We didn't even talk about it.

973
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:44,470
But like the detectives that
come, she just randomly falls in

974
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:49,120
love with one of the detectives
based on zero amount of

975
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,880
chemistry or romance or
anything.

976
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,640
Stuff like that.
Just it just was silly and fun.

977
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,160
I I think I'll give it an 8 out
of 10.

978
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,640
I think it's I think it's yeah,
I think it's a fun movie.

979
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,480
I think that because of
Hitchcock's direction it

980
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,080
definitely its reach exceeds its
grasp.

981
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,060
I'll just say that.
All right.

982
00:54:12,060 --> 00:54:14,380
Well, there you have it.
Brad gives it an 8, I give it a

983
00:54:14,380 --> 00:54:18,620
7.5, taking us to an average of
7.75 out of 10.

984
00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:20,820
But we would like to know what
you think.

985
00:54:20,980 --> 00:54:24,820
Have you seen Shadow of a Doubt?
You can let us know what we're

986
00:54:24,820 --> 00:54:27,660
missing, if we're missing
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987
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:30,820
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988
00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:34,020
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989
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:36,180
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990
00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:39,900
We are on there every single day
talking about weird uncle niece

991
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:43,210
relationships, so if you want to
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992
00:54:44,570 --> 00:54:47,890
You can find a link to our
Discord at the end of every

993
00:54:47,890 --> 00:54:50,570
single one of our show notes.
Next week, we.

994
00:54:50,570 --> 00:54:52,770
Are watching a movie that I'm
pretty excited to watch.

995
00:54:52,770 --> 00:54:55,170
Actually Brad it's one I just
saw for the first time about a

996
00:54:55,170 --> 00:54:58,250
year ago.
It's from Hitchcock pre America,

997
00:54:58,450 --> 00:55:00,690
so it's when he's still making
movies in Britain.

998
00:55:00,810 --> 00:55:05,210
This is 1935's spy thriller The
39 Steps.

999
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:07,230
So join us for that one next
week.

1000
00:55:07,310 --> 00:55:11,590
Until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G and we'll see you

1001
00:55:11,590 --> 00:55:11,790
next.