Scoring Akira Kurosawa / World Whiskey Society

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Whiskey.
On today's episode, we will be

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scoring out director Akira
Kurosawa.

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Then we'll be trying 3 whiskeys
from the world Whiskey Society

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this is.
The Film and Whiskey podcast.

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Welcome into the Film and
Whiskey podcast.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And we're coming at you with
another special bonus episode.

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Bonus episode.
Brad, the bonus episodes, I feel

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like they carry a significance
that they didn't used to because

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there's there's fewer of them.
Yeah, yeah.

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We're making people wait for it,
You know, we're taking the like

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Christopher Nolan.
Eventizing your movie approach,

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you only get one every so many
years.

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You still get a regular episode
every week, but.

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But if the bonus episodes are
your thing, you got to wait like

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three or four weeks now.
And because of that, we have

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been making a very special
whiskey producer wait for a

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little while here.
You know, not to jump ahead to

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the whiskey segment here, Brad,
but we've got 3 whiskeys on the

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docket for today from the World
Whiskey Society, which is a.

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Sorcerer, is that a word I can
use of whiskeys that, you know,

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basically it's like a private
label that they pick these super

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premium whiskeys, they put them
in ultra premium packaging and

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they sell them off for a pretty
penny.

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It's a really cool, like I love
what the work they're doing.

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I think that when you really
want to buy someone a whiskey as

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a gift.
Like, there's oh, that's a nice

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bottle of whiskey.
And then there's like this is

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the way, yeah.
Yeah, you don't have the same

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way to go, Yeah.
Oh yeah, 100%.

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And so they were super generous
with us because we asked for a

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sample of one of their whiskeys
that had won gold at San

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Francisco this year.
And instead of that, they sent

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us four or five full bottles of
whiskey, including ones that

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were like, they didn't get
medals at San Francisco.

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They were just like.
Hey, we have these other

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releases.
Here you go.

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And so they sent us these like
$150.00 bottles of whiskey.

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Brad, we we probably have like
$600.00 worth of products from

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them sitting on our shelves
right now.

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And so we're go ahead to be.
To be clear, they sent Bob

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$600.00 worth of whiskey and he
gave me two ounce samples of

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each.
I gave you approximately $12.00

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of whiskey.
Yes.

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Yeah, So just to be clear here,
what's with with what's going

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on, yeah.
That's fair.

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Although I always there always
is the caveat that like, if you

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really like something, I will
give you that bottle.

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Two more hunters.
Man, So yeah, we're excited to

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try those 3 whiskeys from the
World Whiskey Society.

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But before we get there, we have
to talk about Akira Kurosawa,

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because five weeks of films was
not enough.

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Brad, It sure wasn't Bob.
I will say our journey with

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Kurosawa was a fascinating 1
because it started off in a not

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great place, Bob.
I am still surprised that like

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of all the movies that didn't
work for you, that Rashomon

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didn't work to the extent that
it didn't work.

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Like it really didn't work.
I I think at this point there's

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one movie a season that that I
Goodfellas you on.

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Yeah, at least there's at least
one.

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And it's always one that like I
kind of look past.

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It's not even that I'm like, oh,
I can't wait for you to watch

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this.
It's like, Oh yeah, I'm I'm

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assuming that at the at the
worst, Brad will think this is a

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7 1/2, right.
Then we go in and you're like,

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this sucked and I don't know.
I'm I'm so blindsided in the

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recording process that I don't
know what to do from there.

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It's there's some of my favorite
episodes.

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I thought they are honest people
who really like to listen to me

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stammer for an hour.
Yeah, are subscribed to those

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episodes.
Man, it's just fun to keep you

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on your toes.
All right, Brad, we're going to

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talk about Kurosawa by reviewing
his abilities based on the five

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movies of his that we watched
for this season.

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And what we do is we score out a
director based on five

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categories that we've
established in a prior bonus

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episode that I think we called
what makes a good director.

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So if you'd like to hear our
rationale behind these five

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categories, you can go find that
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But Brad, can you just walk us
through the categories and what

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they mean?
Yeah, so performances, how does

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Kurosawa direct actors
cinematography?

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How?
What do you see on screen?

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Is it beautiful?
Is it not editing?

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Is the music and the movement of
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attractive and good, or is it
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How does the movie work within
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Does it make sense?
Are there logical gaps that are

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missing?
And also like artistically is,

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is there cohesion within the
film or does it feel like two or

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three different people made it?
And then finally, uniqueness,

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You know, with these five films,
how does Kurosawa stand out from

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his peers?
And this will be really easy

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with the extensive Japanese
filmography that we have

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watched.
We'll know exactly who and how

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to compare him.
I was going to say, do we

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compare him to his peers or do
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director we've done on the
podcast so far?

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Because if it's the latter, I
think it's kind of an automatic

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10, right?
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I mean if it's just his peers,
it's pretty easy to say, I don't

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know 110, sure, whatever you
say, Bob.

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Yeah, exactly.
But you know, we'll get there

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when we get.
There, I do like the option

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where your answer is.
Whatever you say, Bob, those are

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you.
Those are the my favorite

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episodes.
I know they are.

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All right, let's dive in with
performances.

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Brad, if I had to peg one that I
think that you might penalize

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Kurosawa for, it would be this
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So I'd kind of like to hear you
go first on this.

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What would you give him on a 10
point scale for his

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performances?
Oh man, I think that overall his

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performances are it's such a
it's such a wild swing because

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high and low.
I really like to share Mfune, I

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think all the supporting actor
there's are pretty solid.

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There's a little bit of
overacting from the chauffeur,

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but overall everybody is turns
in a really solid you know B

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plus kind of performance.
Ikiru has a top 10 performance

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all time Rashiman, Ron and even
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like 7 samurai a lot, had just
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performances and so I just man,
it's hard.

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I feel like he is a a really
solid director of actors but

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it's kind of peaks and valleys
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So I think I will give him.
I think I'm leaning towards like

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a seven 7 1/2, but I'm going to
give him an 8 because of Takashi

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Shimura in Akiru.
I'm also going to give him an 8

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here, Brad.
And I think part of it is

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recognizing my own kind of
cultural distance from, you

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know, being in Japan.
And especially, you know, we

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talked in the first couple
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about the influence of kind of
like kabuki theater on these

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films that are set in more
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Like it's almost as if the
acting styles.

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Reflected the kind of acting
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lived at the time the movie was
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And so I kind of, I don't want
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But I also think that you and I
just kind of have to step back a

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little bit and say, oh, the
performances that worked for us

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are the ones that are that most
closely resemble Western

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filmmaking where you know, where
realism is emphasized.

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So like I'm with you in that a
lot of the performances and

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those other films didn't work as
well for me.

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But I think they still were what
he was going for and he showed

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us enough in the more modern set
films that you kind of do give

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him a pass a little bit.
So I'm yeah, I'm going to stick

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at an 8.
And that takes us to

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cinematography, where I think I
can't really find a reason to

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not give him a 10 from film to
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I don't want to say that his
cinematography style changes,

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but like Rashomon, I was so
impressed at.

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How many kind of like Dolly
shots and wonders he was able to

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get even within like those
cramped confined spaces in a

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forest 7 samurai.
He did such a great job at

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setting up the geography of that
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Ron would just these beautiful
colorful vistas and like you

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know when they burn the castle
it's just like could you have a

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better backdrop for a shot.
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cinematography of both Akiru and
high and low where we get.

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Kurosawa in really, really
widescreen.

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I think you made a comment last
week with high and low Brad

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about the blocking of the
performances in high and low two

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weeks ago.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

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I just think that it's
incredible.

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I'm going to give him a 10
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Yeah, I'm pretty much with you.
I'm going to give him a nine and

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a half here.
I will say anytime we see a

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massive burning building on
screen, I always compare it to

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Gone With the Wind.
Yeah, and that is the best

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burning building shot in the
history of cinema.

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We really do need to do like a
top five arson episodes.

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You know, that's it's actually
perfect.

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How pretty was your arson?
Was it aesthetically pleasing

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enough?
Oh man, now you've got me.

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My brain's going down a wide
rabbit hole.

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Alright, so you're doing 9 1/2
on cinematography, 9 1/2 on

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cinematography.
I think when it comes to

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editing, I I think I'm going to
give him a higher score on

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editing than I will on cohesion.
I think that, well, I don't

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know, his movies are too long.
Yeah, I'm in the opposite.

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I think they're too long.
But he builds really believable

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worlds and I always think of
cohesion is like the world

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building.
Does this thing hold together

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so?
If it's me, you know I'm

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personally going to give him a
lower editing score than I will.

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Cohesion.
Yeah, I think the reason I was

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thinking cohesion at first was
that at least two, maybe three

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of his films, I remember feeling
like they just completely turned

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into a different movie with like
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And I didn't mind that, but it
definitely was like a tonal

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shift and a artistic shift that,
you know, just kind of felt

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weird.
And I I love to cure 10 out of

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10, but the last hour was a huge
shift for sure.

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There wasn't quite as much
cohesion.

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Does that make sense?
It does.

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So what would you give him on
both of those categories?

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Oh man, I think I will give him.
You're right, his world building

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is just incredible.
I'll give him an 8 1/2 on

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editing and a nine on cohesion.
Oh wow, you you are being very

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generous to him tonight in a way
that I wasn't quite expecting.

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And I think I'll balance you out
a little bit by just giving him

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a 7 1/2 on editing.
And that is with the caveat that

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I have been praising the actual,
like editing techniques in his

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movies for five weeks straight.
It's like they're high and low

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is 30 years ahead of its time in
terms of the way it's cut.

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But every single one of these
movies except for Rashomon, to

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me, I thought Rashomon was, I
get that a 10 out of 10 and it's

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only an hour and a half long.
I thought that all these movies

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were at least 20 minutes too
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And so when that is like the
predominant theme, I'm giving

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him a 7 1/2 there.
I'm also going to give him a

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nine on cohesion because I I
just think that his world

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building is second to none, even
in these sorts of styles that

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I'm not used to that sort of
like overblown theatrical, you

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know, to be able to take
Shakespeare and put it in feudal

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Japan and you buy it.
Like that says something in and

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of itself.
So it's a nine for me and that

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takes us to uniqueness.
I've seen enough Japanese

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cinema, especially from this
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There were three real major
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It was Kursawa, it was Kenji
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third one.
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of in between Kurosawa and Ozu.
Ozu was much more like delicate.

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Poetic.
Really long dramas about

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intimate family life.
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to make a samurai movie and then
you have Miss Iguchi kind of

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splits the difference with like
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I think even the zoo like like
the artist formerly known as

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Ozoo, like just one name.
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really like some of the Ozoo
films that I've seen, but

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they're much more.
I don't want to compare.

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It's not like Terrence Malick.
But he's much more interested in

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like very small domestic family
dramas than he is in anything

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like big and cinematic that way.
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I think he stands out.
But then when you consider him

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in the context of world cinema
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think I am going to give him a
10 here.

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Like we talked about how 7
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70 years now and it finds its
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Yeah, I I'm pretty much with
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I'll give him a nine and a half
on uniqueness.

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I I think that he's a
fascinatingly accessible

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director in the world of foreign
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And yet, like his films have
meaning to a Japanese context.

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Like you can come at it from,
you know, an American viewpoint

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and have something to learn.
And yet man oh man, like, he

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speaks.
It seems like he speaks to the

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Japanese culture of the time in
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All right, Brad, So I'm coming
out to a 44.5 out of 50 on

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Kurosawa.
Where are you coming out to?

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Yeah, so I am also coming out to
a 44.5 out of 50.

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Brad the most surprising thing
here is that Kurosawa has now

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taken the crown as our highest
rated director of the season.

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And you can't pin it all on me,
man, because we came out to the

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exact same score here, but he is
coming out a half point higher

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than Christopher Nolan did at an
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So, you know, even though we had
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films.
It seems like his craft and his

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technique is kind of undeniable.
Yeah, I was going to say our our

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scoring definitely leans towards
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enjoyment.
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especially like he just, I think
the two things that stand out to

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me are that there's always
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whether it's the actors or not.
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somebody use human crowds the
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I think that's what really stood
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cinematography, and I don't.
I don't think I would even put

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that in performances.
Like the the crowds of people he

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uses almost feel like a part of
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acting.
You know what I mean.

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And so that's that's why I would
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like he yeah he just has a
talent that you don't see in a

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lot of other.
Directors Brad, when I look at

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your scores for the five films
that we did from Kurosawa, this

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is how they rank from high to
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So Akiru would be #1, Seven
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then Ron and then Rashomon.
Is that how you would rank these

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if you had to just do it off the
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Akiru high and low.
It was Akiru, 77, samurai high

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and low.
Ron Rashomon.

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Ron Rashomon I would definitely
put Rash Man last.

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Yeah, I think I would go in that
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I think if I was recommending
these films for someone to

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watch, I think I might recommend
High and Low first.

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I think it's, I think it's the
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If I was recommending it to a
movie nerd, I would say Akiru

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100%.
Like if if you're if you

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consider yourself a cinema file
at all, you need to go watch

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Akiru, yeah?
Brad, when it comes to like

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you're going to Barnes and Noble
for the Criterion sale and I

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know you've already picked up 7
Samurai, which which of these is

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like this meets the criteria for
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That's the only one now.
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Akiru, would I get high and low?
No, I would think about high and

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low, but I yeah, Akiru would be
the only one that's like a a

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guaranteed.
Honestly, I've been thinking

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about decorating my basement
lately, Bob, and I know that you

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knew that this is where the
podcast was episode was going.

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Today I kind of want to start
getting movie posters.

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And it started because I saw
like somebody did like kind of a

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minimalist Akiru poster where
the background, it's really

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faint, but it's just files of
paper like that you see in their

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offices.
And then you just have him on a

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swing and it's beautiful.
And I was like, oh, I want that.

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And it it led me down a rabbit
hole of like, what are movies I

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gave 10 out of 10 that have
minimalist movie posters and

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that it was a whole thing.
I love that I am getting you

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into this sort of nerdy.
Not just nerdy, but like.

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I don't know.
What's the word man like making

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yourself a man cave that the
entire space is built around?

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How does it accentuate my
minimalist poster?

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I love this.
I love this for you, man.

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All right, last note on
Kurosawa.

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We are 2/3 of the way through
our season and Ikiru is our

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highest rated film of the season
at a 9.5.

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On average we have 3 movies tied
for a 9.25.

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But we finally have a clear
champion to this point, and it

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is Akiru.
So if we can recommend one thing

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out of this five week series, it
is go watch Akiru.

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Tell us what you think of it.
Yeah, 100%.

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All right, man, we've got 3
whiskeys to drink from World

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Whiskey Society.
What do you say we dive into

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those?
Let's get to it.

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All right.
So as we said, we are checking

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out three whiskeys today from
the World Whiskey Society.

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Before we even dive in, Brad, I
got to say thank you to these

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folks because like we mentioned
earlier, we have some super

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premium whiskeys sitting on our
shelves now just because they

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felt like sending it to us.
Yeah, I mean these bottles are

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some of the coolest I've ever
seen.

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Like the the first whiskey we're
going to drink here that go

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along Whiskey out of China.
It might be the coolest bottle

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I've ever seen, Bob.
It's really, really cool.

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And just as a reminder, the
World Whiskey Society is a US

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based society.
It was founded in 2020 and even

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on their website it says they
comprise an ultra premium

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collection of rare expressions
of whiskey.

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So they're just, they're out
here putting out these whiskeys

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that are made to be pricey, but
it's because they are ultra rare

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and the first one that we're
trying today, as Brad said, is

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from.
It's called Go Along Chinese

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Single Malt Whiskey.
This is a 5 year aged single

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malt from China made out of
Australian malted barley.

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I am really fascinated by this
Brad.

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It's the first Chinese whiskey
we've ever had on the podcast.

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But also like, in essence, the
first Australian whiskey we've

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had on the podcast.
Yeah right.

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And Australia is becoming like
legit one of the major players

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in world whiskey.
So I'm excited to see, you know,

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when we try this, being aged in
ex bourbon barrels in China,

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will it taste different than
when we actually get into

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Australian whiskey someday?
Who knows?

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Yeah, it's a fascinating journey
to at the very least.

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All right, Brad, let's go ahead
and dive in.

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This is an 80 proof whiskey.
Like I said, five years old,

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totally made of barley.
What are you picking up on the

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nose here?
Yeah, this one I get like some

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some toffee.
There is some cherry.

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I got like like almost the smell
of an apple orchard.

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Not not just like an apple, but
like, I don't know, that kind of

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like sickly sweet smell of an
apple orchard where some of the

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apples are rotting a tiny bit
and some of them are super

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fresh.
And I don't know, it's a really

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pleasant fall smell.
And then it almost just smelled

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like fresh firewood.
Like that hasn't gone into the

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fire yet.
Like just fresh chopped wood.

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This is like a really
interesting nose here, Bob.

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I am fascinated by this entire
tasting experience.

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I just took a sip on their
website, they mentioned the

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first thing they say is toffee
apples.

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So I I know exactly where you're
coming from, Brad, because I'm

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getting that as well.
It does remind me a little bit

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of those, like artificial
caramel apple pops, like the

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apple scent and flavor is a
little bit like green apple

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candy.
But then there's like so much

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vanilla that it threw me off.
It's not quite like toffee apple

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to me.
It's like vanilla extract and

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apple to me.
When I go to take a sip, it's

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really pleasant and the mouth
feel is really, really creamy.

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When you go to swallow, all of a
sudden the spices come out and

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it's a lot of baking spice.
I get nutmeg on this and a lot

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of black pepper.
My tongue got really tingly.

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I'm surprised at how like thick
and viscous this was for 80

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proof.
But I will say like once I went

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to Swallow, there wasn't a ton
left around.

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And I'm.
I'm talking about their tasting

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notes on the website.
Because on their own website

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they say the flavors don't leave
much of an impression and

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there's a finish of vanilla and
sweet oak that's barely there.

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And honestly, I don't know if I
could say it any better than

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them.
Yeah, I for me, the the palette

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became very floral.
Like, like, almost like an

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essence of rose.
There's some like green tomato

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feel like got a little bit
vegetal at the end.

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But you're right in saying that
the finish falls off a lot from

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where the palette and nose was
overall.

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Bob, I I think that this is like
a 3738 out of 50 kind of

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whiskey.
It's really interesting.

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I like.
I've not had many whiskeys like

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it, no.
And like, creamy is not usually

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a word I use to describe like
lowproof malt whiskeys either.

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So I'm really fascinated at the
mouthfeel they were able to

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achieve here.
But I will temper that a little

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bit with their own words, which
are the notes get kind of subtle

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at the end.
In a way, that's like, oh, I

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kind of forgot that I drank
that, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, 100%.
Next, we are moving on to the

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Cognac Bourbon.
Now the Cognac Bourbon is A1 of

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600 bottles.
It's like this is a limited

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edition 600 bottle run.
They are bringing a American

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straight bourbon whiskey
finished in barrels that

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previously held grand Champagne
Exo Cognac bottles.

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Champagne, yeah.
Guys this is a 10 year bourbon

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too, Brad, and it is bottled at
barrel proof so I think we're

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looking at.
Let me see what the proof point

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says.
For me, we're talking 117 proof

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on this bottle of whiskey.
I am very excited about this,

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Brad, because I don't know that
we've ever had a cognac finished

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bourbon.
We've had apple Brandy but never

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cognac.
And on the nose it's very floral

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and very dusty.
And I turned my bottle around

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and it has the mash bill on
here.

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This is a weeded mash bill.
It's like 45% wheat in this

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thing.
So it's 51% corn, 45% wheat.

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I'm really interested that they
did this with a weeded mash

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bill.
I wouldn't think that you would.

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I thought I would think that
you'd want to do this with like

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a Highrie mash bill, but they
but they sure didn't and it's

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giving a really unique nose that
I'm kind of struggling to find

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notes for.
Like, what are you picking up

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here?
Yeah, it it almost reminds me

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of, like almost like a a really
cheap.

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Almost like a Marashino cherry,
but but not not like a fresh jar

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of it.
Almost like a Marashino cherry

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extract.
Yeah, it does, with a little

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more like Christmassy baking
spice.

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Like there's a little bit of
like a like a Luxordo, like a

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brandied cherry.
But there is something like high

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fructose corn syrup to it that
that I don't normally get on

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like my good cocktail cherries.
Yeah, 100%.

445
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,160
It's it's an interesting those,
I will say.

446
00:26:00,740 --> 00:26:04,460
For me it came across very
ethanol E which I I don't

447
00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:07,980
normally find with super high
end whiskey, but I I had a hard

448
00:26:07,980 --> 00:26:09,860
time getting past the ethanol on
this.

449
00:26:11,020 --> 00:26:13,180
Brad, are you a drinker of
Brandy's and Cognac?

450
00:26:13,860 --> 00:26:18,380
I have drank Brandy maybe two or
three times.

451
00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:21,580
I've never drank cognac.
I'm really struggling with the

452
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:24,500
palate on this one.
Not that it's bad, but it's in

453
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,540
that really interesting phase.
And you were talking earlier

454
00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:28,910
about, like, when you're at an
orchard and like, there's

455
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:32,230
overripe apples.
The other day I was making a

456
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:35,230
banana pudding because we needed
to get rid of some bananas, and

457
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:36,710
there were a couple that were
overripe.

458
00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:40,950
And you eat an overripe banana
and it's like your body can't

459
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:46,670
decide if it's almost sour or if
it's so sweet that it kind of

460
00:26:46,670 --> 00:26:48,270
tastes sour.
Do you know what I'm talking

461
00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:50,950
about?
Like, I'm almost getting that on

462
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:54,350
this it with grape because, you
know, obviously it's made from

463
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:57,160
grapes.
It's like a very sweet red wine,

464
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,520
but it's so sweet that it's
almost dry.

465
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,960
And I don't.
I don't know how to explain it

466
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,600
other than to say I can't tell
if it is like off the charts

467
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,840
sweet or off the charts not
sweet.

468
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,000
Yeah, no, I this one is
interesting and and I will say

469
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:19,240
it's interesting in a not bad
but not necessarily good way.

470
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,440
It's interesting in a way that
like, we've had 500 whiskeys on

471
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,830
this podcast and nothing has
tasted like this and and I.

472
00:27:26,830 --> 00:27:29,110
Don't know what to do with it.
There's nothing unpalatable

473
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:30,990
about it.
And it's one of those ones where

474
00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:34,990
it's like okay maybe this is
$150.00 bottle of whiskey and

475
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:39,390
I'm kind of okay with that
because the the guy in me that

476
00:27:39,390 --> 00:27:41,910
is sick of the same crap coming
out and wants to see

477
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:45,710
experimentation is like, this is
what you asked for, dude.

478
00:27:46,030 --> 00:27:49,870
Like this is a super interesting
experiment in whiskey making.

479
00:27:50,270 --> 00:27:53,240
I'm here for it.
I think it's like, I don't know

480
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,840
that I will ever, that it will
ever be top of mind for me on

481
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,480
like a Tuesday night when I'm
like, what am I in the mood for?

482
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,880
But I will say that every single
time I open this bottle, from

483
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:10,000
here until it's gone, I will
have a singularly, enjoyably

484
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,080
unique experience ahead of me.
Yeah, yeah, 100%.

485
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,720
This is a a really fascinating
whiskey.

486
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,280
I don't know if the the the
profile completely works for me,

487
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,650
but.
But it is very unique, all

488
00:28:23,650 --> 00:28:26,770
right, and that takes us to the
straight bourbon whiskey that is

489
00:28:26,770 --> 00:28:29,050
finished in Olarosso Sherry
casks.

490
00:28:29,050 --> 00:28:32,130
This is not even remotely close
to being the first Olarosso

491
00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:35,770
Sherry finish we've had on this
podcast, Brad, but it is unique

492
00:28:36,170 --> 00:28:40,730
in a couple different ways #1
It's a six year old bourbon that

493
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:44,050
is bottled at 115.6 something
proof.

494
00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:49,300
And when I look at the back, not
only is it bourbon, the mash

495
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,820
bill on this bourbon is 99% corn
and 1% barley.

496
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:55,340
This is a really interesting
mash bill.

497
00:28:55,620 --> 00:28:58,100
I'm sure that somebody out there
is immediately tipped off to

498
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,660
where this was made because I
can't think of many places that

499
00:29:00,660 --> 00:29:05,460
are doing 99% corn mash bills.
But when I took a nosing of this

500
00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:08,860
Brad, I thought for sure that
this was going to be another

501
00:29:08,860 --> 00:29:13,820
high wheat mash bill because it
has that dustiness to it and

502
00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:17,000
it's definitely not.
It's almost all corn and I'm

503
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,640
interested to see how the
sweetness of the corn interacts

504
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,400
with that all roso Sherry flavor
that we're so used to seeing.

505
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,800
Yeah, this is a a really
interesting whiskey that I think

506
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,240
it lines up a little more with
our pallets than maybe the last

507
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:32,760
one did.
Not.

508
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,200
That Sherry finish is really
giving this a little bit of a

509
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,600
scotchy like a blended Scotch
nose.

510
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,360
It has the dustiness of a
bourbon, and and even in

511
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,250
particular like the floralness
of a bourbon, but like that

512
00:29:47,250 --> 00:29:49,330
Sherry finish is just
unmistakable, man.

513
00:29:50,010 --> 00:29:53,490
Yeah, for me, I on the nose, I
got a little bit of like orange

514
00:29:53,490 --> 00:29:54,970
zest.
There was a little bit of

515
00:29:54,970 --> 00:29:57,250
banana.
For me, it's like kind of like

516
00:29:57,250 --> 00:30:01,690
this nice, bright, fruity,
citrusy experience.

517
00:30:02,090 --> 00:30:04,850
And then in the midst of all
that, I got some really nice

518
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:09,770
fresh grain notes, almost like a
fresh loaf of bread, but but

519
00:30:09,770 --> 00:30:12,290
still a little raw, you know?
You know what I mean?

520
00:30:12,410 --> 00:30:15,770
Yeah, I took a sip of it just
now and I can immediately see

521
00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:17,890
why they did it with this mash
bill.

522
00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:22,450
So if you had done this with a
high rye mash bill or even maybe

523
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:24,170
a high wheat mash bill, who
knows?

524
00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:28,810
I think that it would have
tipped way too bitter because I

525
00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:33,770
took a sip and it seemed more
like a 5050 split between the

526
00:30:33,770 --> 00:30:35,730
corn and the barley.
The Sherry.

527
00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:40,330
I'm so used to Sherry,
complimenting Scotch and single

528
00:30:40,330 --> 00:30:44,640
malt and all barley mash bills
that my mind is already looking

529
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,520
for that grain to go along with
the Sherry and I think you need

530
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,680
the sweetness of the corn to
balance that out.

531
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,040
If this had been any other mash
bill of bourbon, I don't think

532
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,320
it would have worked at all, and
I think that like the extent to

533
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,560
which it does work is almost
entirely due to the fact that

534
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,960
they used a 99 to one mash bill.
Yeah, I like you said,

535
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,160
fascinating mash Bill, I I think
that it works really well with

536
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,640
the Sherry finish.
You know on the pallet I'm

537
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,640
getting like cream soda and
Raspberry and and some black

538
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,760
pepper.
It gets a little okie at the

539
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,200
end.
The grapes come through more

540
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:27,000
strongly it it gets spicy Bob.
This one I think is the the

541
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,640
highest quality of the three
that we've had.

542
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,920
It's certainly the most aligned
with where our pallets have

543
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,680
been.
I think if I was going to pick

544
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,680
my favorite one though, I would
probably go with that Cognac

545
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,010
finish.
It was the most unique like and

546
00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:42,490
and it's not to be unfair to
this one.

547
00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:45,010
This is the least unique one of
the three that we tried.

548
00:31:45,010 --> 00:31:47,210
Brad.
I think this is probably my

549
00:31:47,210 --> 00:31:50,010
favorite one just from a pure
flavor standpoint.

550
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:52,210
I think I'd go with that go
along.

551
00:31:52,690 --> 00:31:56,570
I I think that that one was
really fascinating and it's in

552
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:59,130
its profile.
So if I had to pick one, I would

553
00:31:59,130 --> 00:32:01,530
pick that one.
But I I'm with you on the

554
00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:03,330
cognac.
It it's an interesting

555
00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:07,740
experience I have to say after
now trying these three ultra

556
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:09,860
premium whiskeys.
I appreciate that the World

557
00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:13,540
Whiskey Society is not just
sourcing rare whiskey and then

558
00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:16,180
putting it in a fancy bottle and
selling it at a huge markup.

559
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:19,620
Like I like that they're
actually finishing it in other

560
00:32:19,620 --> 00:32:22,580
things that you wouldn't
necessarily think to do.

561
00:32:22,580 --> 00:32:25,660
So that it's, yes, it's
expensive, yes, it's ultra

562
00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:29,580
premium, but it's also something
that just from the finishing

563
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:31,940
perspective, you can't get this
anywhere else.

564
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:35,270
And I like that.
If they're going to be asking

565
00:32:35,270 --> 00:32:38,270
for a lot of my money, I'm glad
to know that it's not just

566
00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:41,910
because they have a celebrity
attached to it or they're making

567
00:32:41,910 --> 00:32:44,630
you pay for putting their
whiskey in a crystal bottle or

568
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:46,630
something.
Like, there's actually some

569
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:51,310
craft involved here, and it was
a really enjoyable tasting

570
00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:53,870
experience.
Yeah, very much so, Bob.

571
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:56,790
Not something that I could say
about all of my viewing

572
00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:59,670
experience of Kurosawa.
Can I?

573
00:33:00,910 --> 00:33:03,190
Now that we're done, I'm going
to just throw myself under the

574
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:06,190
bus here.
I originally lined up these

575
00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:09,710
three whiskeys to go with our
Kurosawa episode because I

576
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:13,070
mistakenly thought that the Go
Along whiskey was a Japanese

577
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:15,310
whiskey.
And it was like, oh, we haven't

578
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:17,350
done any Japanese whiskeys this
whole time.

579
00:33:17,630 --> 00:33:20,630
I'll totally slot it in here.
And then like the day before we

580
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:23,830
recorded this, Brad, I went on
the website and I saw that it

581
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:27,790
was Chinese and I was like, man,
I had one job here.

582
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:30,750
I don't know where I got this
impression that it was Japanese,

583
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:33,360
but.
You know, Yeah, go along does

584
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,880
not sound like a Japanese word.
To be fair, it doesn't sound

585
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,800
like a Chinese word either.
Yeah, I think it the the

586
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,120
spelling would line up much more
with the Chinese word.

587
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,640
The English approximation, I
should say.

588
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,320
Oh man, that's funny.
Well folks, there you have it.

589
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,880
Kurosawa is in the books and we
are turning the page to Kubrick

590
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,160
next week, So join us on Tuesday
when we kick things off with the

591
00:34:01,550 --> 00:34:05,310
a little known movie called The
Shining, or, as I see it

592
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:07,950
constantly misspelled on the
Internet, The Shinning.

593
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:11,270
Have you seen The Shining
before?

594
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:15,750
I have not.
You are in for a treat, my

595
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:18,710
friend.
You sound thrill.

596
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:22,510
Mike, Super pumped.
Bob, This is going to be the

597
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:25,110
time of my life.
You know, it's a horror movie

598
00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:26,270
that I do like.
What's that?

599
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:28,630
The time of their lives?
AB and Costello.

600
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,400
I have never seen or heard of
that movie before.

601
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,440
Oh, dude, next time we do a,
like, I get to pick half the

602
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,679
season, I'm putting the time of
their lives on there, and you're

603
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,600
you don't ever get to complain
about the movies I picked not

604
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,000
getting the downloads that you
like.

605
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Again, if you put Abbott and
Costello's fifth most famous

606
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,130
movie on there.
All right, folks, join us on

607
00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:56,330
Tuesday for The Shining.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

608
00:34:56,889 --> 00:34:59,170
I'm Brad G and we'll see you
next time.