Rope / 1792 Sweet Wheat Bourbon

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In 1948, director Alfred
Hitchcock and star John Doll

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gave the world a pretentious
drama about the dangers of

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unimpeded hubris.
In 2023, we try again with a

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familiar brand and we'll see if
Brad likes it.

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The film is rope.
The whiskey is 1792 Sweet Wheat

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and we'll review them both.
This is.

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The Film and Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast.
For each week we review a

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classic movie and a glass of
whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Reggie.

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And this week we are watching
one of my absolute favorite

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Alfred Hitchcock films, 1940
Eight's Rope.

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Man, old man Brad, am I pumped
to talk about this movie.

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I have wanted to talk about this
movie with you for almost five

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years now and I just kind of
knew we had to get through some

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other more important movies
before we got to this one to 200

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plus other more important.
Movies.

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But we've arrived, man.
We're at the 201st most

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important movie, and that is
Alfred Hitchcock's Rope, the

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pinnacle that no one knew we
were shooting for.

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I knew it all along, man.
I planned this thing out as

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meticulously as their murder.
Brad, I am super excited to talk

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about this movie today, not
least of which because last

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week's episode Notorious ended
up being a movie that neither of

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us were really like that hot on.
You know?

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We were decidedly cool on that
movie.

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You even more so than me.
And that was the first time.

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Watch for me.
So I'm kind of glad we stuck it

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at the beginning of this Alfred
Hitchcock retrospective, because

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these last four movies on the
season are ones that I've all

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seen and I've all I've liked all
of them, especially Rope.

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And let's be honest here man,
part of what the appeal of this

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movie is, is that it is 80
minutes long.

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Dude, I absolutely love the 90
minute film.

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And if you if you sat down and
said Brad, I have a spectacular

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movie for you that is also 10
minutes less than the world

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famed 90 minute film I am 100%
in.

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Yeah, the crazy thing about
Notorious is like, that movie

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was only an hour and 40, right?
Like, and that felt 8 times

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longer than this movie.
Yeah, I love a good, economical

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film.
You know, right up there with

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paths of Glory.
This movie packs a punch in an

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hour and 20 minutes.
Yeah, and the The thing is, it

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needed to be this short.
Like if this was an hour and 37

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minutes with you know 3 or 4
minutes of of credits, it would

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feel like it was 3 hours long.
Like it is a slow moving film.

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It's it is meant to move slowly.
The the pacing here is really

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deliberate and it needs to be
and because of that it needed to

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be 80 minutes long.
It it ends right when it needs

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to end, yeah.
But part of that is the way that

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the movie is filmed.
So you know the big gimmick of

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this movie, quote UN quote, is
that it is designed to look like

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1 continuous shot for
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You know, you can now as a
viewer you can see some really

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well disguised cuts, but
Hitchcock basically had this

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whole thing blocked out like a
stage play so that they could

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take a real film.
And as the whole thing spooled

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through, they had it timed out
that I think they got like 12

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minutes a shot.
And so they would just film like

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1 extended shot.
The camera's constantly moving.

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And I actually think, Brad, if I
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working like this where you just
kind of memorize your moves for

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12 minutes and you've, you've
knocked out, you know, 1/6 of

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the movie or whatever it is.
Yeah, I mean, it still took them

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a long time to shoot.
I know that they were on set for

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about 14 hours a day and the
film ends up being 10 exact

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shots.
Like there are 10s film reels.

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I think it was anywhere from
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think 11 minutes and some
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And yes, this was an an absolute
bear to make in the sense that

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they don't have modern, you
know, technology to help them

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make you know, Allah 1917, a one
shot movie like Hitchcock is

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doing this way before anybody
else was attempting anything

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that looked like a oneshot
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Right before we jumped off of
our last call.

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So we finished doing Notorious
and I was trying to pick your

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brain a little bit about Rope.
I didn't know if you had

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remembered that.
I had mentioned this movie a few

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times on the podcast before and
I have never heard you cut me

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off with such disdain the way
you cut me off a couple days

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ago.
You were like, dude.

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I don't want to know anything.
I'm sick and tired of your crap,

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Bob.
Stop spoiling movies for me,

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Yes.
But I what I was really trying

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to figure out was, did you
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to be a one take or a one shot
movie, or was that like a

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pleasant surprise as you started
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Honestly I like it didn't even
click in my brain that it was

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one shot until about the 4th or
5th when he zooms in on a black

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you know, fabric or somebody's
code or something like that and

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you're like oh I see what he's
doing here.

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It's it's it's all one shot
nice.

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And I I think it was a pleasant
surprise in the fact that I knew

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this film was made in 194748
like like that's what makes it

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so impressive anymore.
I I think we have been spoiled

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by a lot of movies who do it.
You know, Children of Men comes

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to mind, but to see it done in
1948 is especially impressive.

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I think that my original point
though on spoiling movies still

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stands.
Bob, don't spoil my movies.

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I don't want to spoil it, I just
didn't know if you remembered

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that it was one shot or not,
man.

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So OK, The funny thing though, I
texted Bob like halfway through

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the movie and was like, dude,
I'm not going to lie, I'm pretty

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sure I've seen this before.
It was really funny.

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You were like, I don't know
where, I don't know when, but I

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don't know whom.
Yeah, that.

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And that's the thing.
I'm still like racking my brain.

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The best thing I can come up
with is that maybe I watched it

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in, like college.
But you know what?

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Like this is like a perfect
intro to philosophy.

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You know, you have an hour and a
half, a 90 minute class and the

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professor's like, well, I didn't
prepare anything.

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Let's watch rope and talk about
Nietzsche.

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And honestly, you could do a
heck of a lot worse for your

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intro to philosophy class.
Yeah, right.

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Before we move into our first
segment, I want to go back to

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your statement about the 80
minute movie and why it's

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perfect for that format.
Because this is based on a stage

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play of the same name from the
late 1920s and that play

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apparently follows a three act
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It's like a very standard play.
I think it's really smart A to

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basically film it as a one act
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here.
But also, you know, we've seen a

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lot of movies, Brad, that are
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And there's a lot of ways to
visually try to give the

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impression of like you're just
watching a filmed version of a

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play.
And when this movie first starts

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out and you're just kind of like
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camera is the 4th wall, you
know, the camera like pushes in

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and pushes out a little bit, but
it's kind of just moving on one

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axis.
And I'm thinking like, oh man,

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I.
Are people just going to wander

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in and out of frame like we're
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theater, and then the first time
the camera starts to actually

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move around the apartment, I'm
like, oh, Hitchcock, you're

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you're really smart because
everything you're doing here

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still gives me the impression
that I'm watching a stage play.

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But you make, like such great
use of every single corner of

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this set.
It's a really brilliant way of

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kind of having your cake and
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Yeah, it makes you feel like
you're not watching the play on

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opening night.
You're actually like the

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director walking around on stage
while they are practicing.

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Yeah, you know.
It's a very fly on the wall kind

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of a thing, yeah.
And like a few of the shots that

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really stood out to me, one of
one shot that really stood out

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to me was when the camera kind
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right side of the stage if we're
going to keep calling it a

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stage.
And you see the shot of the

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trunk in the foreground, the
hallway in the midground and the

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kitchen all the way in the
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And I I think the the maid is
like taking the candlesticks to

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the hallway.
Like it's shots like that that

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were incredible.
Also the one where the cameras

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in the hallway looking into the
kitchen and I think not, not

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Brandon.
Phillip is talking to somebody

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and Brandon is putting the rope
away and and the door like

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swings open and you see him
dropping it like things like

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that.
Throughout the film I was like,

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oh, this is clever.
Like this feels like a really

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advanced, intimate version of
going to the theater.

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Well, we've kind of started
talking about character names

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and and important props and set
pieces, so it's probably time

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for us to tell film and Whiskey
Nation what the heck this movie

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is actually about.
And to do that, we're going to

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get to our segment, Brad
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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and do your take with

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this little segment that we
call.

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the movie that he

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has just seen, often for the
first time.

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Now, this is not Brad's first
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But I don't know when the first
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I was going to say what counted
as like this is this is instance

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1.5.
It's not really your second

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time, but it's not quite your
first time either.

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It's it's in beta testing.
Yes, all right man.

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So you have one minute on the
clock to break down and spoil

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the plot of this movie.
And it really, it's kind of a

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spoiler proof movie because all
of the stuff that you need to

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know happens in the first
moments of the movie.

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But go ahead, man, spoil this
movie. 60 Seconds and Go Rope is

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a film about two young
protagonists or antagonists.

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I don't know, Bob.
What?

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How would you characterize?
Antiheroes, man.

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Antiheroes Brandon and Phillip
are definitely not gay lovers,

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no?
Who have murdered their former

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classmates and throw they throw
a dinner party for the father.

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Actually, I think the parents
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sisterinlaw because the mom
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The family of the deceased as
well as the girl who is in love

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with the deceased.
And Brandon, the main character

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tries to manipulate everyone
into understanding how brilliant

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he is while his compatriot
coconspirator Philip is

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terrified that anyone will find
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Jimmy Stewart comes in and blows
it all up and has a realization

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of his own.
Boom.

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This movie is like a perfect
Hitchcock movie.

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Because, you know, we've talked
for, I don't know, 5-6, seven

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movies about Hitchcock now.
Brad and all of his weird little

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psychosexual fetishes and all of
the gallows humor and the really

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kind of gross ways that he finds
humor in the the blackest of

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situations.
And this one, man, I got to say

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to set the stage last night I
went and saw this movie in a

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movie theater film and Whiskey
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We were supposed to kick off
Hitchcock with this movie.

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I asked Brad if we could
reshuffle a little bit because I

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saw that this movie was playing
at the Cleveland Cinematech, one

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of the best repertory theaters
in the country.

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I had never been.
And I love this movie.

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And I was like, dude, I want to
see Rope in person.

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And Brad, before we get any
further, I got to tell you,

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dude.
There was probably, you know, I

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don't know, 3540 people at the
showing last night.

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Like it was sold pretty well.
This movie plays incredibly well

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with the crowd.
Like, you wouldn't think it

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because it's almost 80 years
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There were like audible gasps in
the audience at multiple points.

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It was so much fun.
We should insert like a sound

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clip of like.
You joke, but that's what it

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sounded like.
It was really cool.

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Believe it, man.
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And that's we we don't often
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of going to the theater on this
podcast, which is like a little

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bit sad, because at the end of
the day, man, going to watch

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movies in theaters is a way
different experience than

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streaming it on your phone,
computer or television.

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Yeah, well, there, there is
something important.

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Like for me it was Top Gun
Maverick.

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That was like the first time in
like 17 years that I felt like I

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was truly at the theaters again.
But all all this to say, go, go

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watch movies in theaters,
people.

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Well, and and you were making a
point earlier about how clever a

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lot of the things in this movie
feel.

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And when you're watching it at
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I'll give a movie like a little
wry smile and I'm like, oh,

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Hitchcock, like you sly bastard,
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Those moments when you're in a
crowd, they become actively fun

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because people get the humor.
They start laughing out loud.

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There's there's so many lines in
this movie where someone's like,

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oh, where's David?
I'm dying to see him.

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And then everyone goes, I see
what you did, you know, And I

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just quickly say for me, I'm
going to come down on the the

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place of, like, this movie's a
little bit pretentious and it's

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stuff like that.
It's the fact that he never gave

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up on those jokes that by the
end of it I was like, come on

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Hitchcock.
Like this script is a little, a

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little much for me.
Oh dude, I wish you'd been there

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last night.
I think your whole opinion would

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be slightly different.
It sounds like you enjoyed the

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movie, though.
I did, yeah.

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My dad and I watched it
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He had never seen it before and
he loves old movies and

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Hitchcock.
And honestly, this is a complete

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aside.
The movie opened and I knew it

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was in 1948, and I had to look
to see if, like the they had

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made a special color version of
this like they have with, you

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know, like It's a Wonderful Life
and things like that.

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Because I was like, oh, I don't
want to watch some crappy color

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remake of this film.
And so I, like, legitimately

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paused it to look.
And I was like, oh, this is

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Alfred Hitchcock's first color
film.

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Well first of all.
I'm very proud of you.

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And secondly, I no longer think
you have any room to call

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anything pretentious like you
stopped the movie and said no

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way I'm watching this
bastardized version.

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It's because of It's A Wonderful
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Yeah, that's for like a top ten
movie for me.

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The color version just doesn't
cut it, man.

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All right, let's dive into
talking about the movie itself

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so it kicks off immediately with
the murder.

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Like the first thing you hear is
a scream.

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The cameras outside this
building and then it cuts inside

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and you see them with a rope
around the victim's neck and he

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is dead.
And they quite visceral, really

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visceral and quite the jolt,
honestly.

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And one of the things I
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movie is that outside of the
opening credits and I guess the

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closing credits, there's no
music in the movie.

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All the music is diegetic, like
every once in a while Philip

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will play the piano and that's
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But this guy screams and he's
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And then it's just silent and
you hear a clock ticking in the

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background.
And I just first, First things

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first, man, the use of sound in
this movie for 1948 is

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absolutely insane.
Yeah, he he does a really

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beautiful job of kind of like
what you said earlier.

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You truly are a fly on the wall
for this movie.

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You you don't feel as if it is
staged in the sense that like it

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it feels like a stage play, but
it doesn't feel like you are a

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audience member watching a stage
play.

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It feels like you are truly
there on stage as it's

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happening.
It it, it feels incredibly

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immersive.
Is that I guess what I'm trying

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to say?
Yeah, Well, and again, like,

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it's things that we're used to
seeing now, like a single shot

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movie or the camera kind of.
Moving around inside a cramped

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space or the lack of music.
But this movie is what Brad 75

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years old this year.
This is not the kind of thing

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you saw in studio movie making
of the late 1940s.

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No, it's not.
And I I think about other movies

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that we've watched in this realm
in this era, you know, from the

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early 40s with like Casablanca
or you know, Double Indemnity

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all the way into the 50s with
some of the Billy Wilder things

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that we've watched.
I just don't think that there's

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many movies quite like this.
And I I think that if there's

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anything that remains similar,
it is the sense of melodrama

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that I'm realizing really just
exists.

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Hardcore in the 40s especially,
and like the way that they act

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has just this heir to it that
you're like, Oh yeah, this is

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the 40s a 100%.
But other than that, I think a

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lot of the camera techniques,
the use of sound, as you said,

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diegetic sound, It really feels
way ahead of its time.

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I think it's a good jumping off
point to start talking about the

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performances in this movie.
And the two main characters, the

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murderers Brandon and Phillip,
are really the only people that

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you see for the first, you know,
15 minutes of the movie.

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And it took me a minute to
remember that, like, Jimmy

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Stewart doesn't come into this
movie until probably like 3035.

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Minutes in, like it's it's
really far into the movie.

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And I have to say, man, the
performance by John Doll as

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Brandon, who is kind of the
mastermind of the whole thing

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and certifiably insane.
Like cold, calm, collected, like

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toying with people, manipulating
clearly the mind of a serial

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killer.
His performance is lights out

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good.
Like I am seeing it on a big

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screen too.
To your point about a lot of the

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people in this movie act as if
they were actors in the 1940s

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and kind of ham it up.
His performance is so

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naturalistic by by comparison,
like little things like even

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just like scratching his nose in
the middle of a take, Things you

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didn't see Hollywood actors
doing.

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I was blown away by his
performance.

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Brad Yeah, I'm honestly curious
if he was more of a stage actor

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in his career up until this
point, because he feels like a

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stage actor so much more so than
most of the other people in this

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film.
I think that Phillip, played by

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Farley Granger, also has that
vibe to him of of hamming it up

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a little bit in the way you
would for a theater performance

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over a movie.
And I think it kind of makes we

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don't have to get to him yet,
but it makes Jimmy Stewart stand

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out a little bit because like
Jimmy Stewart comes on on stage

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and he's just smooth as butter,
man.

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He like, like, I love the
performance by John Doll.

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I think Farley Granger is great.
I think that Jimmy Stewart is

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out of place here.
And yet it it's almost like when

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you see Will Ferrell come on to
the office and you're like, I

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know that Will Ferrell's not
like Hollywood's greatest actor,

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but he's a way better actor than
92% of the other actors on this

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television show, you know?
What?

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I mean, it's so funny you bring
that up because like with John

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Doll, he doesn't seem like he's
playing to the back row.

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Like his is much more like, I
know there's a camera 5 inches

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from my face and I'm, I'm going
to do it much more subtly.

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Whereas Farley Granger, like by
the end of the movie where he's

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like just absolutely toasted and
he's he's just shouting like he

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said, you could have a drink,
have a drink, man.

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Like there was audible laughs in
my in my theater from that.

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And Jimmy Stewart, by contrast,
is it's almost like a tale of

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two halves for him.
Because when he comes in and

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he's got that really, like,
biting wit and he's just kind of

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like nothing with people, It's a
sight of Jimmy Stewart I've

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never seen.
And it's like really, really

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charming, but in like a like an
A hole kind of way.

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Like he seems like a jerk.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
And I really love that

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performance.
And then at the end of the

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movie, you know, spoiler alert,
Jimmy Stewart figures out what's

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going on and he has the two guys
cornered.

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And then he gives this big
pompous speech about like, the

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goodness of man and Brad.
It reminded me so much of, like

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the final speech of Henry Fonda
in The Grapes of Wrath.

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It's so Tom Joad and it's it's
this like moralizing speech that

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I don't feel like the movie
really needed.

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Like, we understand what they're
doing is wrong.

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We don't need Jimmy Stewart to
have that character realization.

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And that and the way he delivers
it is very much like, oh, this

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is Jimmy Stewart.
This is why he took this role.

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It kind of sucks because I
thought that what he was doing

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in the rest of the movie was so
much better and so different

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than what I'm used to seeing
with him.

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Yeah, I I mean he turned into
Mr. Smith goes to Washington,

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right?
Like he's he is moralizing and

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giving a speech and I I think
that's I'm with you in that that

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was just the funkiest part of
the movie.

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But also like if you just cut
that scene.

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And just showed me that, you
know, on a random day that I I

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wasn't thinking about rope, I'd
be like, oh, that's a great

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speech.
Like he like, he knocks it out

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of the park.
It just doesn't fit tonally with

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what's going on with his
character as well as just the

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rest of the film.
So I I've never read the script

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to the play that this is based
on, but I was, you know, doing

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the next best thing and perusing
Wikipedia today.

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And they said that the the play
remains kind of unresolved.

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Like, he has the realization
that his twisted philosophy in

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teaching these boys about the
ubermensch and Nietzschean

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philosophy is what led to this.
But he doesn't have this, you

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know, standing on a soapbox
moment where he says everything.

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I've believed my whole life is a
lie and you've shown it to me

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and and you know, I think it's
probably a better ending.

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I'm also not surprised that you
had to have the moralistic

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ending in 1948.
Yeah, and that's the hard part,

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is that we're all constrained by
the era we live in.

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And so could this movie have
been better if he made it even

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like 10 years later, like even
in 58, he probably could have

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gotten away with a more morally
Gray ending.

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But it is the movie that we have
and you can just take the 1st

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80%.
Of our 80 minute movie and say

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this is incredible.
Getting back to John Doll and

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Farley Granger, I just have to
say this.

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I think that John Doll in this
film, I don't know what he looks

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like in other films because I've
never seen it before.

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For some reason, I couldn't get
it out of my head that he looks

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like a really young, thin Ben
Affleck.

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You know, it's funny.
I was like, I was going through

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people in my head that he's kind
of a combo of and I'm like, oh,

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the top half of his face is kind
of like John Krasinski.

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But then the shape of his face
reminds me of Jon Crier from 2

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1/2 men.
And then it was like, you know,

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but he's also much more dapper
and much more sophisticated and

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suave.
I can see the Ben Affleck thing

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mostly because of body language,
like when Ben Affleck is

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purposely playing a douche, it's
very similar to what he's doing.

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Yeah.
Yes, I'm so glad that you saw

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that because I just spent the
whole movie thinking, like, this

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has to be like Ben Affleck's
grandfather or something.

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So the crazy thing is, you know,
Farley Granger is not obviously

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the world's most famous movie
star, but he goes on to

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collaborate with Hitchcock again
in Strangers on a Train a few

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years after this, and it's a
good movie and it's a good

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performance.
I've just always wondered, like,

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why didn't you do this again
with John Doll?

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Because to me, not only is John
Doll the better performance in

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this movie, he's far and away
the better actor between the

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two.
Yeah, I I think that Farley

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Granger does a really good job
with what he is asked to do.

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I think that it's like a B to B
plus performance and I I

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wouldn't even say that John Doll
is that much better.

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I'd give him like a B plus to an
A -.

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I I just think that.
You get a solid performance from

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Farley for what he's asked to do
and and what he's asked to do is

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basically descend into madness
over guilt for what he's done.

445
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,800
And I think he does a good job
of it.

446
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,400
So I I I think the performance
isn't noteworthy, but I don't

447
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,640
know.
I'm saying a lot of things about

448
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,760
nothing.
Essentially Brad, before we get

449
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,040
to break I, I feel like we need
to still flush out a little bit

450
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,770
like the contents of this movie.
So they kill a guy and they have

451
00:25:47,770 --> 00:25:51,690
planned out this perfect crime
based on their own Nietzschean

452
00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:53,610
philosophy.
They believe themselves to be of

453
00:25:53,610 --> 00:25:56,650
superior intellect.
And they think that they can not

454
00:25:56,650 --> 00:26:00,210
only get away with murder, but
kind of flaunt their own

455
00:26:00,410 --> 00:26:04,370
superior intellect by inviting
the family members and close

456
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:06,250
friends of this guy over to the
house.

457
00:26:06,730 --> 00:26:10,490
And they stuff his body in a
chest while while this dinner

458
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:13,210
party is going on.
And then John Doll's character

459
00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:16,600
says, I'm going to one up the
gamesmanship here, Let's

460
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,760
actually serve food off of the
chest that this dead body is

461
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,440
stuffed into.
And not only that, how about I,

462
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,800
I give his dad some books to
take home with him and I'm going

463
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,560
to use the rope that I killed
his son with to tie the books

464
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,920
up.
There are so many like perverse

465
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,320
touches to this movie and it's
it's still crazy to me that just

466
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,080
thematically they could get away
with doing this in 1948.

467
00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:48,970
Yeah, it feels like a very dark
film to have come out in the 40s

468
00:26:49,050 --> 00:26:53,370
and you know, post World War 2,
everything's happy sunshine.

469
00:26:53,770 --> 00:26:57,730
The amount of turns that it
takes to get darker and darker

470
00:26:57,730 --> 00:27:01,130
as it goes, I think it might be
what necessitates Jimmy

471
00:27:01,130 --> 00:27:03,650
Stewart's speech at the end to
be like.

472
00:27:03,650 --> 00:27:06,730
And by the way, I Alfred Hitch,
I mean Jimmy Stewart.

473
00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:10,290
I mean whatever Caddell,
whatever his name is in the

474
00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:12,620
movie.
Do not approve of this.

475
00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:17,340
It's bad, We the Most Picture
Association of America.

476
00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:22,820
But at the end of the day, we
all know what Hitchcock was

477
00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:25,460
really interested in.
Like, that's what makes the

478
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:29,660
Jimmy Stewart speech so weird,
is that we we all know who

479
00:27:29,660 --> 00:27:30,900
Hitchcock is.
Like.

480
00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:34,500
We might not have known in 1948,
but we know that he's way more

481
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:38,180
fascinated and interested in all
the dark, perverse turns that he

482
00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:40,370
can take.
The same way that Tarantino

483
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:43,370
wants a movie to turn violent.
Well, and and that's what makes

484
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:46,050
it a perfect Hitchcock movie
too, because you could hand this

485
00:27:46,050 --> 00:27:50,050
material to like David Fincher
today, and you could make a

486
00:27:50,050 --> 00:27:52,290
really good David Fincher movie
out of this.

487
00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:55,690
It just wouldn't be funny.
And like, I'm not to spoil my

488
00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:57,930
let's make it a double.
I have a David Fincher movie in

489
00:27:57,930 --> 00:28:03,410
mind for this, but Hitchcock, he
does the darkness really well,

490
00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:07,610
but he's also, at every point
making you find the humor in it

491
00:28:07,610 --> 00:28:11,360
and making it fun and like just
on its face.

492
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,800
The movie is suspenseful because
you don't know if these two

493
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,840
murderers are going to get found
out.

494
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,520
And the fact that you even feel
suspense kind of indicates a

495
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,040
little bit that there's a part
of you that is like not wanting

496
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,960
them to get found out, because
if you wanted to get found out,

497
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,600
you'd just be cheering the whole
time.

498
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,990
So he puts you in a position
where you're like subconsciously

499
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:37,710
kind of rooting for the
murderers.

500
00:28:37,710 --> 00:28:39,790
And it's it's a very weird spot,
but it's something that

501
00:28:39,790 --> 00:28:42,710
Hitchcock does so well.
Yeah, well and he's he's playing

502
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:47,150
like a rope, a dope, like people
getting close to the the the

503
00:28:47,150 --> 00:28:50,110
cabinet, the chest and then
getting further away and then

504
00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:53,110
closer and then getting away.
And finally, the maid, like,

505
00:28:53,110 --> 00:28:56,510
halfway opens it and Brendan has
to come over and like, push it

506
00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:59,550
down and be like, Nope, you have
to come back tomorrow, maid.

507
00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:03,770
All right, man.
Speaking of coming back in a

508
00:29:03,770 --> 00:29:05,850
little bit, let's press pause
here.

509
00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:08,690
Let's drink this whiskey.
I am not so much looking forward

510
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:13,090
to this based on your review
last week, but we've got 1792

511
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:16,170
Sweet Wheat to drink.
What do you say we get to it,

512
00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:18,010
Brent?
Let's get to it.

513
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:26,250
All right.
So today we are trying again

514
00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:29,730
with 1792 as we get into their
sweet wheat.

515
00:29:30,490 --> 00:29:33,130
Now this is an interesting
bourbon Brad, in that it's not

516
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:35,930
age stated, so we don't know
exactly how old it is.

517
00:29:35,970 --> 00:29:39,250
You know I assume it's blended
and that's why we're not getting

518
00:29:39,250 --> 00:29:42,370
an age statement on this.
The mash bill is also not

519
00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:45,410
disclosed on this, but we know
that it is a weeded bourbon.

520
00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:49,330
So this is kind of 1792, you
know the Barton distilleries

521
00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:54,610
response to Weller to rebel.
So I'm assuming that there is a

522
00:29:54,650 --> 00:29:56,850
very high proportion of wheat in
this.

523
00:29:57,550 --> 00:30:02,270
At the same time, 1792 is known
for being a high rye mash bill.

524
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:05,510
So I actually don't know if this
is like, oh, we've just swapped

525
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:08,070
out the rye for wheat.
I don't know if it's just like

526
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:10,830
no, no, we're taking a high rye
mash bill and just adding a

527
00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:13,230
touch more wheat.
I have no idea really.

528
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:16,510
I guess is what I'm saying if
this is actually comparable mash

529
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:20,390
bill wise to Weller or if
they've just kind of like

530
00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:22,870
touched it up a little bit with
wheat?

531
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:27,270
And and I'll also say this.
There seems to be in the

532
00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:32,430
research I've done a 2015
release that they released, you

533
00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:37,470
know, regularly from then on,
and it looks like they've had

534
00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:43,350
now an updated 2023 release.
And I, because we have had this

535
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:47,910
whiskey for long enough, I I can
say with with certainty this

536
00:30:47,910 --> 00:30:51,830
would be whatever the 2015
edition was that they released

537
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:55,770
for, you know, 6-7 years.
This would be from that

538
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:59,890
addition, and I think honestly
So it's an annual release and I

539
00:30:59,890 --> 00:31:02,450
know that I'm assuming you're
looking at the same tasting

540
00:31:02,450 --> 00:31:04,530
notes that I did when I was
trying to look this up on

541
00:31:04,530 --> 00:31:08,010
Breaking Bourbon, because their
most recent review is like the

542
00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:10,970
2023 release.
Apparently when this first

543
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:15,330
started being released in 2015,
it had an 8 year age statement

544
00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:17,850
and then at some point they
dropped the age statement.

545
00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:21,290
Maybe 2023 is when that dropped.
I'm not entirely sure.

546
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,720
But Brad, we are for sure
drinking a prior to 2023 release

547
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,920
on this bad boy.
Yes.

548
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,080
Yep.
All right, man, we've we've

549
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,560
given enough background on this.
I think it's 91.2 proof.

550
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,600
We have no idea how old it is.
Let's dive in.

551
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,000
What are you picking up on the
nose?

552
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,680
This one you get the cherries
that you normally get on a wheat

553
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280
whiskey.
For me, it turns into like a a

554
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,180
dusty peanut and then.
Overall though, from start to

555
00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:52,620
finish on the nose I I gave it a
solid 10 to 15 minutes to try

556
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:56,500
and let it air out before I
drank it, but I just kept

557
00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:59,500
getting that nail Polish remover
smell.

558
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:02,900
Wow.
It's not terrible.

559
00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:06,540
It's not overwhelming, but it
was just underlying everything

560
00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:09,740
else that I gave it a 6 1/2 out
of 10 on the nose.

561
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:13,180
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2,
and it's mostly because I'm not

562
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:15,460
getting a lot of the notes.
I typically get unweeded

563
00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:18,920
bourbons, so I'm getting a lot
of that dustiness.

564
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,560
I'm getting a lot of oak.
And then, like, the predominant

565
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,280
note for me is leather.
There's a ton of leather on

566
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,920
this.
There's a little bit of tobacco

567
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,240
as well.
It kind of reminds me of, like,

568
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,160
some of the more oaky Woodford's
that we've had.

569
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
But it's it shouldn't really
smell like that.

570
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,600
You know what I mean?
It should smell more like cherry

571
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,960
cola, which is what we get with
our weeded bourbons.

572
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,880
And that's not to say that like,
it has to smell a certain way.

573
00:32:43,410 --> 00:32:46,410
It just makes me wonder, like,
what exactly is the proportion

574
00:32:46,410 --> 00:32:49,290
of rye to wheat in this?
Because I'm still picking up

575
00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:52,570
some of those things that the
high rye mash bill from last

576
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:56,250
week tipped me off to.
So I'm going to give it a 7 1/2

577
00:32:56,250 --> 00:32:59,130
on the nose and I'm going to
take a sip while you give me

578
00:32:59,130 --> 00:33:02,090
your tasting score.
Yeah, as I got into the pallet,

579
00:33:02,170 --> 00:33:06,050
it had some nice notes going on.
I got cinnamon, there was

580
00:33:06,050 --> 00:33:09,690
cherry, there's vanilla.
The peanuts kind of disappear

581
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:14,180
for me a little bit.
It has a pleasant flavor, but

582
00:33:14,180 --> 00:33:17,820
nothing really stood out to me.
There wasn't a depth of of

583
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:20,660
quality to this.
It was decent.

584
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:24,380
I give it a 7 out of 10 and this
reminds me of some Buffalo Trace

585
00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:25,380
stuff.
Honestly.

586
00:33:25,580 --> 00:33:29,540
Like it it reminds me of almost
like standard label Buffalo

587
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:30,620
Trace.
Not Even so much.

588
00:33:30,620 --> 00:33:34,180
Weller.
Yeah, but then when I swallow it

589
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:37,740
gets really char heavy, like it
almost gets bitter because it's

590
00:33:37,740 --> 00:33:42,520
so burnt tasting.
This is not what I anticipated

591
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,680
at all.
I'm not saying it's a bad

592
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,200
whiskey.
I'm not even saying that I don't

593
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,920
like it necessarily.
I would never use the words

594
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,080
sweet or wheat to describe this
whiskey at all.

595
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,480
And it's unfortunate because as
you know, the name of the

596
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,600
product Brad is sweet wheat.
So what to do here?

597
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,160
I'm going to, I'm going to give
it a 7 out of 10 because it's

598
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:09,120
not bad, it just isn't what is
advertised, yes.

599
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:12,550
Yeah, and the finish for me was
like really short and sweet,

600
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:16,030
dissipated quickly.
I I like your note of something

601
00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:18,550
burnt.
For me it almost tasted kind of

602
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:23,510
like a a really strong
artificial vanilla extract that

603
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:27,429
had been like burnt a tiny bit.
Just okay on the finish.

604
00:34:27,429 --> 00:34:30,989
I give it a six out of 10 here.
Second sip, the sweetness comes

605
00:34:30,989 --> 00:34:33,469
out a little bit more.
I do get a bit of like a

606
00:34:33,469 --> 00:34:37,370
brandied cherry towards the back
and then that that char comes

607
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:39,810
back again and it's almost more
herbal this time too.

608
00:34:40,330 --> 00:34:43,250
It's good, it's fine.
I just again, I I don't know

609
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:45,610
that I would have picked this as
a weeded bourbon if you just set

610
00:34:45,610 --> 00:34:48,250
it down in front of me.
I actually like the finish

611
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:52,730
better than I like the palette.
I'm going to give it a 7.5 and

612
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:56,250
that takes us to balance where
I'm really confused on what to

613
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:59,970
do because it's it's a pretty
solid whiskey all the way

614
00:34:59,970 --> 00:35:02,930
across.
And I will also say in its

615
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:07,520
favor, there was nothing on the
nose, pallet or finish that was

616
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,200
different from each other,
right?

617
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,960
Like, it's a very consistent
whiskey.

618
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,800
It just seems mislabeled to me.
So, like, what What do I do with

619
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,840
this?
Like, it's really, if I didn't

620
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,240
know the brand or the name of
it, I'd probably give it a

621
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:23,040
really high balance score.
But knowing that it's called

622
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,240
Sweet Wheat, I want to give it a
really low balance score.

623
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,760
What are you coming out to here?
I gave it a six and a half like

624
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,280
it, like the the flavors are
there.

625
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,040
They're consistent.
It has a tiny bit of complexity

626
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,200
from the nose through the
finish, but overall the the the

627
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,600
quality of character just isn't
quite there on this one.

628
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,320
So you know, a little below what
I would consider a good score,

629
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,880
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2
once again, just because it is a

630
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:57,400
well above average whiskey on
its own merits, right?

631
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,880
I just man, I don't know man.
What will this run you in the

632
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,470
state of Ohio, Brad?
This is $38.

633
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:10,750
However, it was saying when I
looked at OHLQ that it's

634
00:36:10,750 --> 00:36:13,550
unavailable and you have to look
at the retailer.

635
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:17,870
And so I so I don't know if it's
often available in Ohio, but if

636
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:23,230
it is $38, well, MSRP on the the
Breaking Bourbon review of this

637
00:36:23,230 --> 00:36:26,470
was $50.00.
So I mean, let's call it.

638
00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:29,350
You want to call it 38, you want
to call it 50.

639
00:36:29,350 --> 00:36:34,270
What should we do here?
Let's just assume that people

640
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:37,430
are getting well, No, because
we're definitely drinking an

641
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:39,830
older addition.
Let's let's say $40.

642
00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:42,750
All right, at 40 bucks, I don't
think this is a bad whiskey at

643
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:45,110
all.
Like, if you set this down next

644
00:36:45,110 --> 00:36:48,630
to a bottle of Buffalo Trace,
I'd probably prefer this.

645
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:52,310
Especially like, you know it's
priced in line with Weller

646
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:55,390
Special Reserve.
A little bit cheaper than Weller

647
00:36:55,390 --> 00:36:57,910
107, which this doesn't hold the
candle to.

648
00:36:58,540 --> 00:37:02,460
But I don't think it's a bad
value at $40 and I do think this

649
00:37:02,460 --> 00:37:04,820
is a better whiskey than what we
drank last week.

650
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:09,220
I'm going to give it a 6 1/2 out
of 10 on value.

651
00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:13,570
Yeah, I I actually don't think
that this is a good value of $40

652
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:18,250
Bob.
For for me the the quality just

653
00:37:18,250 --> 00:37:20,890
isn't there for this to be worth
$40.

654
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:25,010
If this was a $30 whiskey, I
think it's like a seven and a

655
00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:27,730
half eight out of 10 value like
that like this is decent.

656
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:32,370
It it's not bad whiskey, but for
$40 I just feel like there are

657
00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:37,770
way, way more great values out
there at this price range.

658
00:37:38,330 --> 00:37:41,690
For me to ever pay this, I'll
give it a four out of 10 on

659
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:44,610
value.
All right, I'm coming out to a

660
00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:47,210
36 out of 50.
Brad, what are you at?

661
00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:52,650
I'm at a 30 out of 50.
Once again, we're pretty far

662
00:37:52,650 --> 00:37:55,570
apart, although not 11 points
apart like we were last week.

663
00:37:55,610 --> 00:38:00,330
So we're coming to an average of
a 33 out of 50 or a 66 out of

664
00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:04,090
100, which is below the mark
where we typically start

665
00:38:04,090 --> 00:38:07,820
recommending a whiskey.
I will say for myself, I'm not

666
00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:09,540
going to recommend buying a
bottle.

667
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:13,780
I would recommend spending 5 to
$7.00 on a pour of this at the

668
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:15,540
bar.
Like I I think it's a perfectly

669
00:38:15,540 --> 00:38:19,500
fine whiskey, and if this is
like your preferred flavor

670
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:22,380
palate, go for it.
Yeah, I don't think I'm going to

671
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:27,100
recommend this, Bob, man.
We are striking out on 1792,

672
00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:29,660
dude.
And you've been holding off on

673
00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:35,320
it for so long, just like rope.
Yeah, luckily I have a higher

674
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,920
opinion of rope than I do of
1792.

675
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,040
Well, last question, did you get
any tasting notes of rope in

676
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:47,920
this I got?
So much hemp, just all sorts of

677
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,680
fabric hemp.
It was pretty incredible.

678
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,200
All right, man.
Well, what do you say we get

679
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,040
back into talking about this
movie, Brad?

680
00:38:54,680 --> 00:39:00,600
Let's get to him, man.
All right, everybody.

681
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,760
That was 1792 Sweet Wheat, a
bourbon that was neither sweet

682
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,600
nor wheatie.
I was a liar.

683
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:16,120
I love wheatie as a tasting.
Wheatie Breakfast. the

684
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,760
Champions, baby.
That's what I that's what I'm

685
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,560
going for.
Hey, man, guess what?

686
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,200
Guess what time it is?
Oh, I don't know, Bob.

687
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,080
What time is it?
It's time for me to finally

688
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,300
secure a 500 season and at our
new game, 2 Facts in a

689
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:32,700
Falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stumpy

690
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:37,100
ball to.
All right And what is wrong?

691
00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:41,660
2 facts in a falsehood.
That's right, two facts in a

692
00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:44,100
falsehood, which I for some
reason just called a new game.

693
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:47,100
Multiple seasons old at this
point.

694
00:39:47,100 --> 00:39:48,540
I was a little curious about
that.

695
00:39:48,540 --> 00:39:51,420
I was like, man, I I feel like
we came up with this in like

696
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:54,580
season five maybe, you know,
I'm, I'm just kind of in the

697
00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:58,550
mode where I'm like it's a new
day, it's a new game, This is my

698
00:39:58,550 --> 00:40:02,670
moment now, you know?
You're calling your shot. 2

699
00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:05,390
Facts in a Falsehood is the part
of the podcast where Brad

700
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:09,110
presents three items to me as
fact about the making of this

701
00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:12,470
movie, one of which is a
complete lie, and it is my job

702
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:14,430
to figure out which one is the
lie.

703
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:18,790
Brad, as I have mentioned I am
hanging out at 15 and 13 on the

704
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:21,230
season.
I want to make sure that I hit

705
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:25,190
sixteen wins, so that.
You know the the balance will be

706
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:27,670
achieved, right?
But this is your chance.

707
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:30,470
It is really, really up in the
air as of right now.

708
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:33,510
It sure is.
Man, I'm feeling pretty good

709
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:36,990
right now.
I think I'm on a three-game

710
00:40:36,990 --> 00:40:39,710
winning streak.
Yeah, And they were like all

711
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:41,990
with guests.
That's supposed to be like my

712
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:44,230
ace in the hole.
They let me down repeatedly.

713
00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:47,420
Yeah.
Trust your gut, man.

714
00:40:47,660 --> 00:40:50,260
I will go with my gut today.
My gut is currently full of

715
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:53,860
Japanese hibachi food, so I
don't know what I'm listening to

716
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:57,700
right now, but bro I we made we
had lemon chicken orzo tonight,

717
00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:00,100
some fresh bread out of the
oven.

718
00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:02,900
Man, that sounds good too.
All right dude, hit me with your

719
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:05,740
two facts and a falsehood Fact
#1.

720
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:09,940
The Cary Grant and Ingrid
Bergman film, of which Janet and

721
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:15,280
Mrs. Atwater are struggling to
remember, is Notorious from

722
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,800
1946, also directed I Don't Know
If You Knew This Bob by Sir

723
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,160
Alfred Hitchcock.
Fact #2.

724
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,560
This was the only movie that
Jimmy Stewart made with

725
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,960
Hitchcock that he did not like
he being Jimmy Stewart.

726
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Stewart later admitted that he
felt he was miscast as the

727
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Professor and that he had
originally recommended Vincent

728
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,900
Price to Hitchcock for the role.
Fact #3 Screenwriter Arthur

729
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:45,420
Lorenz claimed that originally
Hitchcock assured him that the

730
00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:49,100
opening of the movie would not
show the murder, therefore

731
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:52,260
creating doubt as to whether the
two leading characters actually

732
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:55,540
committed the crime and whether
the trunk had a corpse inside or

733
00:41:55,540 --> 00:41:58,500
not.
Oh, interesting.

734
00:41:59,180 --> 00:42:03,220
OK, Well, I mean, I'm pretty
sure number one is true.

735
00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:06,100
It made a lot of sense that that
was what they were referring to.

736
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:07,740
And it got a big laugh in my
theater.

737
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:10,700
So I'm.
If if I'm wrong, then so was

738
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,820
everyone else in my theater,
because we all laughed at it.

739
00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:16,300
Cinematec.
Yeah, cinephiles knew what they

740
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:19,820
were talking about.
So that means it's either two or

741
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:22,900
three.
I don't know that I remember

742
00:42:22,900 --> 00:42:25,300
hearing anything about Jimmy
Stewart not liking this movie,

743
00:42:25,300 --> 00:42:28,380
but we've also established that
it is kind of out of character.

744
00:42:28,380 --> 00:42:31,540
Not out of character, but like
out of the typical realm of

745
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:35,420
characters that he plays.
So that typical for his ouvra,

746
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:40,430
not for his ouvra. #3 is
interesting just because I'd

747
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:42,710
like, you would expect Hitchcock
to show the murder.

748
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:47,710
But yeah, I think that makes it
more of a mystery.

749
00:42:47,790 --> 00:42:51,270
And Hitchcock has gone on record
so many times talking about,

750
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:54,190
like, mystery is when you
withhold information from the

751
00:42:54,190 --> 00:42:56,150
audience, and suspense is when
you give it to them.

752
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:59,790
So I'm going to trust my gut
that Hitchcock wanted to give

753
00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:02,590
them the murder at the beginning
of the movie, and I'm going to

754
00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:06,700
say two is the falsehood.
Brad, wait a second.

755
00:43:06,740 --> 00:43:12,340
You just said that.
Wouldn't that make #3?

756
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:15,860
You said that he had been
assured by Hitchcock that he

757
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:17,540
would not show the murder,
right?

758
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:19,780
Right.
And you're saying that Hitchcock

759
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:24,780
would show the murder?
Oh yeah, I'm just trying to make

760
00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:27,220
sure that your your brains
fully.

761
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:28,940
Functioning.
Yeah, man.

762
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:31,180
Because at the end of the day,
you know that you're going to be

763
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:32,020
wrong.
That's true.

764
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,780
And it's going to be #1 because
you dismissed it immediately.

765
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,200
Oh, you're right.
So wait, #3.

766
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,560
You said that Hitchcock had
assured the screenwriter that he

767
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,520
would not show the murder, that
he would not show the opening

768
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,040
murder.
All right, fine.

769
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Then I'm going to say 3 is the
falsehood.

770
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,120
Are Are you sure?
I'm not sure because #2 sounds

771
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,840
false too.
I think they're both false.

772
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,400
That's what I'm going to go
with.

773
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,720
That's what it is.
I'm going to parlay this into

774
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,720
two and three, both hitting on
falsehood.

775
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,350
Double or nothing, baby.
So.

776
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:08,470
So 3 is your answer.
Three is my answer, Brad.

777
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:10,190
OK, you're wrong.
It was 2.

778
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:10,790
God.
Bless you.

779
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:19,310
Why did you do that to me?
No, you tricky jerk.

780
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:24,070
See, here's the thing though,
when you said it, I was like, in

781
00:44:24,070 --> 00:44:26,830
my brain.
I was like, wait, the logic Bob

782
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:30,070
just used would actually make #3
the falsehood?

783
00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:34,650
So wait, he Hitchcock actually
did tell the guy I'm not going

784
00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:36,250
to show the murder and then did
it anyway?

785
00:44:36,730 --> 00:44:38,290
Yep.
Good for him, man.

786
00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:41,010
That was the right choice.
Oh, it totally was the right

787
00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:42,210
choice, I.
Can't believe it.

788
00:44:42,970 --> 00:44:45,370
I should have known that you
would have stopped me in my

789
00:44:45,370 --> 00:44:47,370
tracks when I was about to pull
out the victory.

790
00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:55,330
You you are one loss closer to
not making it to 500.

791
00:44:55,330 --> 00:45:00,530
Dude, that was some John doll.
Ubermensch trickiness.

792
00:45:00,530 --> 00:45:02,770
Right there.
I don't like I I am your

793
00:45:02,770 --> 00:45:05,730
ubermensch, Bob.
All right, Brad, let's get back

794
00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:08,810
into talking about the movie.
And to talk about the movie, we

795
00:45:08,810 --> 00:45:10,810
kind of have to talk about the
play a little bit more.

796
00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:15,170
The play was similar to like
when you see a Law and Order

797
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:18,330
episode and they always
advertise it as ripped from the

798
00:45:18,330 --> 00:45:21,250
headlines and it's very clear
that they did like a real life

799
00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:23,730
thing.
This was based on perhaps the

800
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:28,610
most famous crime outside of the
Lindbergh baby of the early part

801
00:45:28,610 --> 00:45:32,450
of the 20th century, which was
the murder of a young boy by

802
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:35,290
Leopold and Loeb.
It was a hugely famous court

803
00:45:35,290 --> 00:45:37,970
case, especially because
Clarence Darrow was one of the

804
00:45:38,410 --> 00:45:43,090
attorneys for the defense.
And they were they were lovers

805
00:45:43,170 --> 00:45:46,370
who were college students who
had become convinced by this

806
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:48,810
Nietzschean philosophy of the
Ubermensch.

807
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,640
That they were above morality
and could then plan the perfect

808
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,400
murder.
And not only that, but were

809
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,240
justified in murdering this 14
year old boy.

810
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,080
Obviously everything went to
crap and they got caught and

811
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,080
justice was served.
In that case, can we just like,

812
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,720
like, I know Jimmy Stewart gives
the whole speech, but Can you

813
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:17,840
imagine being so full of
yourself that you're like, hey,

814
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:22,810
you know that Bob book guy, he
just is an inferior human being

815
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:27,170
and I'm so far above him, you
know that I should be able to

816
00:46:27,170 --> 00:46:30,130
murder him with impunity.
I I.

817
00:46:30,130 --> 00:46:34,370
Love that given the option to
just construct A hypothetical

818
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:38,930
person, you still choose to use
me as an example of guy who

819
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:42,050
deserves to be murdered.
Yeah, I mean, I'm just.

820
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:45,490
I'm just working out my
innermost thoughts here on the

821
00:46:45,490 --> 00:46:46,850
podcast.
Clearly.

822
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:49,710
Well, one of the things I really
love about the script in this

823
00:46:49,710 --> 00:46:54,230
movie, Brad, before it tips into
this moralizing ending, is that

824
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:58,710
when they try to explain to a
rational person what is an

825
00:46:58,710 --> 00:47:01,430
ubermensch, how do you even know
if you are one?

826
00:47:01,590 --> 00:47:04,070
There is like, he's just like,
what do you mean if you, if you

827
00:47:04,070 --> 00:47:06,310
are one, you would know and I
guess you're not one.

828
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:08,870
Yep, you know, and I love that
it.

829
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:13,550
It highlights the absurdity of
niete and philosophy from the

830
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:15,290
getgo.
And it doesn't.

831
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:18,450
The the great thing about the
first half of the movie is that

832
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:21,410
it doesn't beat the, you know,
beat you over the head with it.

833
00:47:21,450 --> 00:47:25,970
It's like you watch Brandon
struggle to articulate it in

834
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:29,370
real time and then you
understand, oh, this guy

835
00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:31,130
actually has no idea what he's
talking about.

836
00:47:31,610 --> 00:47:35,250
Yeah, well, and it's, it's
always been philosophy and a

837
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:39,410
thought experiment to him.
And one of the the acting

838
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:44,050
moments that I love the most in
this movie is immediately after

839
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:49,130
they murder their friend, like
Brandon comes close to breaking

840
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:52,090
down.
And like that moment right at

841
00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:54,930
the start of the movie sets you
up for everything else where

842
00:47:55,210 --> 00:47:59,930
you've seen that he's not
actually fully in on this.

843
00:48:00,530 --> 00:48:03,970
And it plays off then the rest
of the movie, as he's not trying

844
00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:08,930
to convince everyone else that
he is, you know, not morally

845
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:12,210
bound by any law.
He's trying to convince himself.

846
00:48:12,770 --> 00:48:16,290
And I think that ties the entire
movie together for me.

847
00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:19,610
Like, if Brandon right after
killing him, was just kind of

848
00:48:19,610 --> 00:48:21,730
like, well, I'm glad I'm done
with that.

849
00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:25,090
On to dinner.
It it would not have played as

850
00:48:25,090 --> 00:48:26,570
well.
But because there's this

851
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:31,370
internal struggle, even for
Brandon, who is so full of just

852
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:35,210
BS, you realize that he's trying
to convince himself.

853
00:48:36,370 --> 00:48:38,700
One of the things that.
I think Hitchcock has a lot of

854
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:42,260
fun with in this movie is trying
to get around the censors of

855
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:47,060
1948 to show very obviously that
the two main characters are gay.

856
00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:50,820
Like they live together, They're
very eligible bachelors, they're

857
00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:52,700
very dapper.
It's like all of the

858
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:54,900
stereotypical things that you
would expect of them.

859
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:57,700
But then it's also like, you
know, they even have like the

860
00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:01,180
gay friend trying to set up as
girlfriend. 100%, yeah.

861
00:49:01,460 --> 00:49:03,740
Like.
But then also there's the little

862
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:06,540
things that he does where it's
like, oh, how did you actually

863
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:09,060
get away with that?
You know, to your point, right.

864
00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:12,900
When they murder the guy at the
beginning, it's like a very

865
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:17,140
obvious metaphor for them, like
having a homosexual

866
00:49:17,140 --> 00:49:20,140
relationship.
Like Brandon lets out a a moan

867
00:49:20,140 --> 00:49:24,060
and and kind of goes and then
and then you watch him light a

868
00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:26,780
cigarette.
Like it's it's very clearly a

869
00:49:26,780 --> 00:49:29,860
picture of like post coital
stuff going on.

870
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:33,460
And one of the most interesting
ways to think about this movie

871
00:49:33,460 --> 00:49:37,020
is like you could read this
whole movie as a metaphor for

872
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:41,180
these two guys being gay in 1948
and the body being them, you

873
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:44,420
know, trapped in the closet and
people finding out about it.

874
00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:46,820
And like, it's an, I mean, I'm
not saying that's the way to

875
00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:50,180
read the movie, It's just an
interesting way to think about

876
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:52,480
it.
And to also think about like how

877
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,880
Hitchcock could portray those
two characters because Leopold

878
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,240
and Loeb publicly admitted after
they got caught that they were

879
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:03,520
in a homosexual relationship.
So it's like it is an integral

880
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,640
part of the story that he had to
find creative ways to

881
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,800
demonstrate.
So what I hear you saying is

882
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,680
that you, Bob book, are saying
that all gay men consider

883
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,780
themselves above any moral
authority and consider

884
00:50:19,780 --> 00:50:22,220
themselves ubermensch.
That that's what I hear you

885
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:24,860
saying.
I am not going to touch that one

886
00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:27,260
at all.
Let's let's keep going here,

887
00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:29,500
man.
All right, man.

888
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:32,860
I think maybe it's time for us
to get to our final segment of

889
00:50:32,860 --> 00:50:35,380
the day, which we call, let's
make it a double.

890
00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:39,620
Near the end of the episode.
So thanks listening to the film

891
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:42,020
and whiskey show.
Let's ever know the film with

892
00:50:42,020 --> 00:50:43,460
this one, even if it's
struggling.

893
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:45,900
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

894
00:50:46,580 --> 00:50:49,340
Let's Make it a double is the
part of the podcast where we

895
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:52,340
pick a second movie to pair up
with this one to make the

896
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:56,020
perfect double feature.
Brad, I had a lot of movies

897
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:58,940
actually popping into my head as
I watched this, you know?

898
00:50:58,940 --> 00:51:02,420
And I I mentioned earlier that
there's not really much sound or

899
00:51:02,420 --> 00:51:06,100
much music in this movie.
And the kind of haunting ending

900
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:08,100
where you just hear sirens
approaching.

901
00:51:08,100 --> 00:51:11,980
It reminded me a lot of the end
of West Side Story, like after

902
00:51:11,980 --> 00:51:14,820
Tony gets shot and the music
kind of drains out.

903
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:16,540
So I was like, oh, maybe West
Side Story.

904
00:51:16,820 --> 00:51:20,700
I thought a lot about morally
Gray endings, and it reminded me

905
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:23,180
of Gone Baby Gone.
The way we talked about the

906
00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:26,100
ending of that movie.
I was thinking about that too.

907
00:51:26,860 --> 00:51:29,620
I think I'm going to come down
on another Ben Affleck movie,

908
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:32,240
though, and it's.
One of the most disturbing

909
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,920
movies I've ever seen, David
Fincher's Gone Girl.

910
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:41,160
A movie that is all about public
perception in a missing persons

911
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,080
case and twisted games that are
being played with murder as the

912
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,240
result.
It is like the more I think

913
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,920
about it, the more I realize
Gone Girl is kind of David

914
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,600
Fincher's rope.
I think Rope is a much more fun

915
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,840
movie, and I want to revisit it
way more than I want to revisit

916
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,240
Gone Girl, which is just deeply
disturbing to me.

917
00:52:00,670 --> 00:52:04,350
But I I think if you are
predisposed to like these kind

918
00:52:04,350 --> 00:52:08,070
of movies you could do a lot
worse than Gone Girl and Rope.

919
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:11,150
I have two movies that are on my
brain.

920
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:15,030
The first one I'll I'll just
this is your bonus extra one

921
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:17,870
that you don't have to go watch.
I think Clue would be a funny

922
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:23,150
watch with this, that it's a
murder mystery stage, obviously

923
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:26,840
stage performance, that it's
just one of the funniest movies

924
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,320
and you need to watch it.
You know what?

925
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,880
You've mentioned Clue.
Like 2.

926
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,280
Yep, two out of the last three
weeks, I think.

927
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:39,840
I have never seen clue no.
Never seen it bro.

928
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,400
When we do another like I get to
pick 15 movie season I I might

929
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,800
put clue on there just so you
have to watch it that.

930
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,400
Sounds fun, man.
I've always wanted to, yeah.

931
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,390
It's it's a it is the definition
of camp.

932
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:57,910
Love it, to say the least.
The film I'm actually going to

933
00:52:57,910 --> 00:53:04,390
push us towards is another film
where you have a mentor who

934
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:10,190
pushes past moral and ethical
boundaries to see where it takes

935
00:53:10,190 --> 00:53:12,110
him and where it takes his
students.

936
00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:14,510
I think I'm going to pair this
with Whiplash.

937
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,600
Oh, that's a good one.
I don't even like think about

938
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,320
that.
That's a great pick, man.

939
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,560
I think Whiplash ends in a much
better place, and yet still a

940
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,400
morally great place in the sense
that, like, whiplash is like a

941
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,720
journey of ascent because of
pressure and a certain type of

942
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,120
philosophy.
Rope is about a journey of

943
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,960
descent towards, like, moral
depravity.

944
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,040
Oh, interesting.
And so I I think that they both

945
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,520
have interesting ways they could
play off of each other.

946
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,520
But more people need to see
Whiplash, so go watch Whiplash.

947
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,400
Oh yeah.
I actually think that both of

948
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,560
them are journeys into descent.
It's just that not everyone dies

949
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,720
at the end of one of them.
That's that's true.

950
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,200
I guess that I guess the the
journey of Ascent for Whiplash

951
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:06,560
is more about how much are you
willing to descend in order to

952
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,120
ascend to greatness.
Does that make sense?

953
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,720
How?
Much of your humanity can you

954
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,600
lose?
Will you sacrifice?

955
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:15,500
All right man.
So those are our our picks, Gone

956
00:54:15,500 --> 00:54:19,820
Girl and Whiplash, which might
have come out the same calendar

957
00:54:19,820 --> 00:54:23,860
year or maybe one year apart,
but we went ultra modern with

958
00:54:23,860 --> 00:54:27,140
our let's make it a double,
which I really, really love and

959
00:54:27,140 --> 00:54:29,660
I think that bodes well for our
final scores.

960
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:34,140
This is a movie that holds up
extraordinarily well for a 75

961
00:54:34,140 --> 00:54:36,420
year old film.
I feel like we can talk about it

962
00:54:36,420 --> 00:54:39,820
in much more modern terms.
I hate to say modern, but you

963
00:54:39,820 --> 00:54:40,580
know what I mean?
Like.

964
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,760
We can.
We can put a more contemporary

965
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,400
lens on this movie, and just the
fact that we can do that, I

966
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,160
think indicates how well made
this film is.

967
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,000
I truly hate Jimmy Stewart's
speech at the end of this movie,

968
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,800
and as I was sitting in this
theater having one of the best

969
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,240
theatrical experiences I've had
in years, thinking to myself,

970
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:05,040
this is a 10 out of 10.
That speech alone made me want

971
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,710
to lower this movie to a 9.5.
I'm not going to do it because I

972
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:13,110
still think that functionally
this is a perfectly built

973
00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:16,030
machine of a movie.
It's a 10 out of 10 for me,

974
00:55:16,350 --> 00:55:19,310
Brad, As I think about like what
we're going to do at the end of

975
00:55:19,310 --> 00:55:22,670
the season when we're listing
our favorites, this is going to

976
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:24,630
be a tough movie to beat.
It's like the little movie that

977
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:29,390
could for me, and it's a 10 out
of 10 for me and I guess to

978
00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:31,630
defend where you're at at a 10
out of 10.

979
00:55:32,180 --> 00:55:36,180
I think that while his speech is
terrible, the final like two or

980
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:39,900
three minutes after the speech
is also incredible.

981
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:43,620
Like he shoots the gun to get
people's attention and then they

982
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:47,060
just sit there, all of them kind
of feeling defeated.

983
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:50,980
And you have like, you know,
once again you have Phillip in

984
00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:53,300
the background kind of off to
the left.

985
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:56,660
You have Jimmy Stewart in the
foreground and then Brandon kind

986
00:55:56,660 --> 00:55:59,140
of medium.
But they're all like laid out

987
00:55:59,300 --> 00:56:04,500
sequentially and it just it's
just great blocking for me at

988
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,780
the overall.
Watching this film, I

989
00:56:07,780 --> 00:56:10,740
appreciated it.
I had fun with certain parts.

990
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:13,020
The script was a little
overbearing.

991
00:56:13,060 --> 00:56:15,980
It felt a little too clever for
itself.

992
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:19,980
At moments.
I I liked Brandon, but he just

993
00:56:19,980 --> 00:56:24,740
came across so schmoozy and
pretentious and that I I

994
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:29,340
struggled to appreciate even
what he was trying to do.

995
00:56:30,030 --> 00:56:31,990
Overall, I really love this
movie.

996
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:33,670
I think it's incredibly well
made.

997
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:38,830
I'm at an 8 1/2 out of 10 Bob.
8.5 Brad Come on man.

998
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:43,430
Final question.
How much do you think Billy Zane

999
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:47,150
based his Titanic performance on
Brandon in this movie?

1000
00:56:47,710 --> 00:56:52,990
That's an incredible question.
And I think that it it has to be

1001
00:56:53,790 --> 00:56:56,990
like I'm trying to think of any
other movie with a more schmoozy

1002
00:56:57,490 --> 00:57:00,210
condescending but.
Just a just a true slimeball.

1003
00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:01,930
I love it, man.
Yeah, it's so good.

1004
00:57:01,930 --> 00:57:04,690
No, 100%.
All right, so those are our

1005
00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:07,570
scores on Rope.
I would love to know what you

1006
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:09,010
think.
Film and Whiskey Nation.

1007
00:57:09,130 --> 00:57:13,090
Go watch this 80 minute movie.
Like yeah, please, Seriously,

1008
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:15,650
please, please.
If you've never watched any

1009
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:18,130
movie we've recommended you to,
you can.

1010
00:57:18,250 --> 00:57:22,600
You can stop your YouTube
scrolling for 80 minutes and

1011
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,800
watch this movie.
And then you can let us know

1012
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,640
what you think of it by finding
us on all of our social medias

1013
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,360
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
TikTok or YouTube at Film,

1014
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,840
Whiskey.
And look at us just adding,

1015
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,000
adding names to that list.
Bob, when are you going to throw

1016
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,920
threads in there?
We have a threads account I have

1017
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,960
posted.
No we won one time months ago.

1018
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,200
Threads really shook up the
world.

1019
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:53,980
More like thread.
Oh man.

1020
00:57:53,980 --> 00:57:57,500
Well, when you're done sending
us a thread, join us on Discord,

1021
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:01,300
where we're actually talking
about movies in Whiskey.

1022
00:58:01,740 --> 00:58:04,620
You can find a link to our
Discord at the end of every one

1023
00:58:04,620 --> 00:58:06,860
of our show notes.
And I have to say, Bob, we know

1024
00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:09,700
that the stats on on our
episodes are that most people

1025
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,940
stop listening, like the moment
we give our scores.

1026
00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:16,860
So let this be an example.
If you're still listening, we

1027
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:20,060
can still be funny even when
we're talking about our

1028
00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:24,540
Instagram and and Threads page.
We're so funny that I would dare

1029
00:58:24,540 --> 00:58:27,580
to call us morally superior to
everyone else.

1030
00:58:27,580 --> 00:58:30,020
Brad I Bob, I've been thinking
it.

1031
00:58:30,380 --> 00:58:32,020
I'm glad you.
I'm glad.

1032
00:58:32,020 --> 00:58:35,010
I'm glad you finally said it.
Well, Speaking of movies where a

1033
00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:37,170
character thinks they are
morally superior and that

1034
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:40,330
everyone else sucks, we're
pivoting to one of Hitchcock's

1035
00:58:40,330 --> 00:58:44,730
most famous films where there's
a The main character is morally

1036
00:58:44,730 --> 00:58:46,370
superior to everyone.
That's what I'm saying.

1037
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:49,770
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, 1940, three's shadow of a

1038
00:58:49,770 --> 00:58:51,770
doubt.
So we'll see you next week for

1039
00:58:51,770 --> 00:58:54,890
that thriller.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1040
00:58:55,410 --> 00:58:57,650
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.