Rise of the Planet of the Apes / Green River Full Proof Bourbon

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In 2011, director Rupert Wyatt
and starred James Franco gave

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the world a tense setup film
that had the world going ape.

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In 2024, we returned to a new
favorite at a higher proof.

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The film is Rise of the Planet
of the Apes.

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The whiskey is Green River
foolproof bourbon.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I am Brad of the GS of the GS.
There's a lot of of those

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happening in this.
I was going.

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To say how many movies have you
watched where there's two of

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those in the title?
All all the Lord of the Rings.

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Let's see.
Look at you guys.

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Yeah, I don't know.
There's a lot, but yes, in any

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case, it's a long title, Brad.
And here we are in the back

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what, third of our season now in
Season 8?

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And we could not settle on a
movie to talk about today for

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2011.
And so we hit the airwaves, we

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hit the socials.
We asked all the people.

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And this was about to be clear,
this is because there was so

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many.
So many great talents, 10 out of

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10.
Films to choose from.

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So I think we took like the top
ten or top 12 grocers from this

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year and put them in a list and
said, all right, people pick

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what you want us to talk about.
And pretty quickly there were

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three that rose to the top.
It was Rise of the Planet of the

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Apes.
It was Fast Five of the Fast and

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Furious fame and.
And then my personal favorites.

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What I wish we had chosen the.
Twilight Saga Breaking Dawn Part

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one.
So we had an interesting split,

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and this was actually a really,
really close vote.

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I think Apes was benefited both
by me saying like, oh, that was

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a good movie on Discord.
And then I think everyone kind

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of fell in line.
I was the Caesar of this vote.

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You might.
You finally used your voice,

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Bob.
Everyone was giving me a a

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supplicating gesture, you know,
So I think that this was

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benefited by the fact that we
just had a Planet of the Apes

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movie come out a month and a
half ago.

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And so I think people are kind
of revisiting these.

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They put all of them on Hulu,
like all nine of them, I think,

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or however many there have been
are on Hulu now.

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So this got a bump.
Fast and Furious got like an

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interesting cross section of
people because Fast 5 is

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considered the best one in the
whole franchise, but it's also

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still the Fast and the Furious.
So people wanted to be goofy and

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what let us watch that.
And then there was the chaos

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vote of just, I want to hear Bob
and Brad suffer through

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Twilight.
I will say I am not opposed to

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episodes like that.
We've had movies where we both

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just truly hated the experience.
I'm glad that one didn't win.

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I'd rather watch something that
we both like.

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And I was going to say you've.
Been anti sequels, you know,

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like second of the for this
season.

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I think this was the 4th movie
in the series.

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How how would you have felt
about that, Bob?

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Wait, you think what was the 4th
movie?

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Oh, the Twilight one?
Yeah.

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Oh gosh, I would have felt awful
because Brad, I have not seen

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any Twilight movies.
It would have been kind of fun

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to jump into.
Whatever it was.

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The 3rd or 4th?
One you you're missing a

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cinematic.
I missed nothing.

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So some friends and I, when we
were in grad school, decided to

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watch through all of them and we
drink a lot of alcohol and

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that's, that's the end.
Of the story it was a lot of fun

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there you go that's kind of what
we do here on the film the

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whiskey podcast So what have.
Fun.

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That's about it.
Right in line.

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But no, we settled on Rise of
the Planet of the Apes.

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I'm glad we did, Brad, because
to my knowledge, this was the

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first time you've seen this,
right?

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No, this is my third time seeing
this movie.

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Really, I I could have up and
down that you had had absolutely

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no exposure to any Planet of the
Apes IP prior to this.

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No, Bob, Bob, come on.
I have seen the original Planet

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of the Apes.
Oh good.

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OK, man, we're off on such good
footing here.

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Bob When When Charlton Heston
falls to his knees and the

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camera shows the Statue of
Liberty, that might be like a

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top.
Oh, it's a great, great twist

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ending.
First of all, let's not time,

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let's not get too far into that
spoiler 'cause I, you know, it's

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necessary to know where we're
going today.

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But it's also like it's one of
the great twist endings of all

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time.
And the spoiler of the 60 plus

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year old movie.
Well, I mean, it's like if they

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made a franchise out of The
Sixth Sense and then took a 20

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year break and then they were
like, all right, now we're we're

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doing the prequel to the 6th
sense And so you still have to

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know what happens.
But man, I just hate, I hate

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having to spoil one of the great
twists ever just to give context

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for this movie.
Yeah, Yeah, that's true.

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All right, so you saw that one.
Have you seen the crappy Mark

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Wahlberg one that Tim Burton
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I have not seen the crappy mark.
Wahl I saw that bad boy in

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theaters.
Did you?

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Oh.
Man, it's awful.

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However, the prosthetic makeup
is truly incredible, but you

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still can't talk under that much
makeup.

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So the the actors are really
straining the way that movie

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ends.
Brad, if we're going to get into

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spoilers here, let's just do
this spoiler warning for all the

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Planet of the Apes movies.
In the original 196768 movie

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with Charlton Heston, it is set
in the kind of distant future.

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Two astronauts crashed land on a
strange planet where there are

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just a bunch of talking apes
everywhere.

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Apes are the dominant species
and humans are treated as pets

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and slaves by the apes.
And at the end of the film, what

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you find is that he crashed
landed on Earth all along, and

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that something had happened
while he was in space and oh

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man, bad things.
Dude, what's what's the line?

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Oh, he says.
Well, first that you get the get

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your stinking paws off of you,
yeah, but then at the end it's

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just him rolling right in the
sand, going God damn you all to

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hell.
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That's great.
It's like the best sci-fi, like,

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oh, we did this to.
Ourselves like it is peak 60s

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man.
No, it's great.

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So anyway, in the crappy 2000
remake by Tim Burton, that

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actually has a great ending
where Mark Wahlberg figures out

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that he's on Earth because he
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And he's in Washington, DC where
he gets like surrounded by a

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bunch of apes and ape police
cars and stuff.

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And he looks up.
He's on the steps of the Lincoln

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Memorial and he looks up and it
has an apes face on it.

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It's freaking great, dude.
It's wonderful.

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It's the only good part of the
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Abraham Lincoln.
Abraham Lincoln baby.

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Does he have the top hat and
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No, you're just sitting there
just chilling.

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I think he's a gorilla,
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I don't even know if he's an
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I need to watch this now though.
It's so good.

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OK, so then eleven years later,
they kind of reboot the

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franchise with this movie, which
is a prequel to the original.

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And it's not even like a direct
prequel.

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So it's a, it's an entire
trilogy about this ape Caesar

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and how he sets in motion what
will eventually come to be the

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Charlton Heston thing.
So right now what we're, what

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we're experiencing in 24,
there's a new movie that just

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came out this year that is like
the second set of three movies.

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And I have heard tell that the
studio has greenlit 9 movies in

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total to get us back to the
Charlton Heston day.

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So we've still got quite, quite
a few movies ahead of us, Brad.

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Man.
What's really great, though, is

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all three of these movies from
the 2000 tens are really good.

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And like, the worst of them may
be this one.

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And this is still, if nothing
else, a really solid first entry

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in a trilogy.
And I think that's what's so

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great about these movies.
No one puts them up on a

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pedestal of like you, you belong
with the Godfather.

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You belong with, you know, the
Lord of the Rings.

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But it's a freaking phenomenal
trilogy.

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Yeah.
And, and I think that's kind of

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where I landed with Rise of the
Planet of the Apes was like,

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this feels like a product of the
bygone era where you get just

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really incredible, fun action
movies that don't cost $500

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million to make.
And, and I like, I would kill to

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have a Rise of the Planet of the
Apes type film come out at least

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two or three times a year
nowadays.

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And I just don't feel like we
get them as often.

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No, you have to wait till the
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comes out to get it.
Apparently, yeah.

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Did that did that just come out
or is it coming out soon?

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No, it came out last month.
It's good.

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It's very good.
It's a little bit too long.

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And that's what that's what this
movie has in its favor is it is

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like a brisk hour and 40 minutes
before the credits hit.

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But yeah, Brad, let's get into
talking about the movie itself,

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which you have now apparently
seen 3 * I, the shocker of all

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shockers.
And I think in order to talk

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about it, we have to get to our
first segment of the day, which

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we call, Brad explains.
Brad's gonna give.

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Us The movie plots with only 60
seconds ticking on the clock, so

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let's go ahead.
And hear your.

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Take with this little segment
that we call Brad Explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen, often for the

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first time.
Brad, we've already spoiled the

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big spoiler of the Apes
franchise, and so really what

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happens in this movie is nothing
compared to that.

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But again, folks, if you've not
seen Rise of the Planet of the

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Apes, you can press pause here.
Go watch the film, come back and

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join us afterwards.
Brad, you get one minute to

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break down the plot of the movie
and go.

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Rise of the Planet of the Apes
is a film about a young chemist

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who is on the verge of a
breakthrough in neurogenitive

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science, where he is essentially
causing apes to become smarter

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and smarter, hoping to cure
Alzheimer's, which, you know,

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coincidence, his father has.
He makes such incredible

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advances that the apes go way
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His program is shut down when
accidents ensue, but he is left

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with the child of one of the
apes.

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This child becomes incredibly
smart and prodigious and

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convinces the board to keep
medical testing to continue.

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The trials eventually gets way
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The apes get really smart, it is
lethal to human ingestion.

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And a pandemic starts and the
apes escape, and they start

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their own society.
Boom, it's their planet now,

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baby.
Yeah, that this was a weird,

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that's a weird movie to recap,
Bob.

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You know, I, what really
impresses me is when you sit

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down and think about all of the
plot points that they hit, do

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they gloss over some things?
Do some things seem a little bit

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too accelerated?
Yes.

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But I'm really impressed a that
they kept it under 2 hours and

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20 minutes 'cause they like, if
you just listed all these

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things, you'd think this was a
long movie.

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They really do a great job
establishing the world that

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Caesar lives in and then finding
both a credible back story for

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how the apes got smart and for
Caesar's own journey to kind of

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independence and autonomy.
It's a really great set up

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movie.
Like it does, you know, we're

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going to keep comparing this, I
think, to things like Lord of

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the Rings because of the trilogy
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But like everything Fellowship
does kind of narratively and in

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terms of adding juice to the
franchise, Like this thing does

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the same thing and it does it in
sub two hours.

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I'm really impressed with this
script man.

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Yeah, it it keeps everything
moving along.

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narrative thrusts of the movie,
like what's going on at Gen.

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sis, what's going on with Caesar
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Will and Caesar kind of split
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if you will.
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keep kind of moving back and
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storylines and you never feel
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area.
So Brad, I think, you know, when

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I was watching this movie, I
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halfway point and this movie for
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I think it is a really good
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And so I think what might be a
really interesting way to talk

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about it today is to just split
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of the movie, because the first
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drama that also features an ape
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rise of a leader of men, you
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and and I I didn't intend to do
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paused it right at that moment
where Caesar makes that turn.

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I I did it right after he rolled
the things of the canisters of

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gas down the hallway and
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What a great shot.
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bit before that, when Caesar
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home with him is like the the
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So let's talk about everything
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And in order to do that, I want
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minutes of this movie because
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gangbusters.
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the movie, you have a scene of
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through the jungle and captured.
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James Franco working at
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engineering these apes.
And it's like, all right, get

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your pitch deck together for the
investors.

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And they walk us through all the
science behind it.

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We're curing Alzheimer's.
You find out that his dad has

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Alzheimer's in the next 5
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to catch its breath, but it
doesn't waste time in getting

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the plot established.
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this movie, you understand
everyone's stake in everything

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that's happening.
And we can then develop the

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characters after that.
And I thought that that was a

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really smart way to get the
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Yeah, I, I don't know, Bob.
I I think that is his friend

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who's like helping him make the
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Is it?
Is it David?

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Oh, David.
Oh, yellow.

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Yeah.
Yes, I I think we probably could

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have used a little 10 minute
extra scene exploring his

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background.
Back.

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Story I It really would have
done me good.

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Why does he love money so much?
Yes.

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Exactly.
Yeah, I, I think that the key

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thing about this film is that it
knows what people are there to

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watch and people are not there
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Will fall in love with this, you
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It's stuff like that that I love
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it's indicative of the fact that
the director, the writers have

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something that they are moving
you towards and and they do it

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in a way that feels
satisfactory, like, Oh yeah, it

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makes sense that Will is a
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He would get himself a
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That's not the main part of the
story, but she's a great

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supporting character.
And so you get to focus then on

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the meat of the the meat of the
movie, which is watching Caesar

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develop into a liter of apes, as
you put it earlier.

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And like that, that is the
entire impetus of this film.

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It's the idea of autonomy.
Who like, who am I and do I

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actually have control over my
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It's personhood.
Like, what does it mean to be a

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person?
Like there, there's all sorts of

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questions going on here and they
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film.
And I think that that time jump

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is so well placed too, because
it's like, you know everything

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you need to know.
Let's move forward in in a point

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in time where Caesar actually
can physically overpower people.

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You know, they they have that
great cut where now he's

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swinging through the trees and
you see him like go through all

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the seasons.
And when they finally land on

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him five years later, like his
body has filled out and Andy

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Serkis doing the emotion capture
performance is once again just

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so freaking brilliant in this
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But but the way that he plays
like the teenager dumb of Caesar

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where he swings down and he's
like annoyed with them that

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they're making out and he's
starting to get he's he's

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pushing boundaries, he's testing
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He lashes out at that couple's
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And it really sets you up for,
OK, Caesar's going to start

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pushing back.
But it also makes his journey

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into becoming the leader of all
the apes that much more

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believable because he's he's
arriving into adulthood at the

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same time.
So I don't know, it's just

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little things like that.
They're they're kind of obvious

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like things that you should put
in the script.

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But the fact that I don't think
we should take for granted that

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they did it because it enhances
and enriches the movie too.

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Well, and at this point, we have
to talk about Andy Serkis

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because, yeah, for sure.
Like the reason this movie works

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and is believable is because
Andy Serkis is a magician and

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like everything he touches in
this movie at least and

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seemingly in every other movie
turns to gold.

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Like it doesn't surprise me at
all and yet at the same time I I

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just look at it and go this dude
played Gollum and Caesar like

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these vastly different
characters as far as their

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physicality goes and yet he
brings so much life to the

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characters.
Like I think his performance is

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beyond words here.
Well, I'm pretty sure he also

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did the motion capture for Peter
Jackson's King Kong back in 05.

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He played like a, a real human
in that movie too.

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But I'm pretty sure he was Kong.
And you would think that you'd

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be like, oh, yeah, of course.
Like he's the monkey guy.

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He can totally play Caesar.
But but I think that it once

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again showcases his versatility
that he can play a gorilla like

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a gigantic gorilla and also play
this believable chimpanzee.

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Like it's it it it he embodies
these characters so much that,

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you know, back in 2011, this
movie CGI seemed like cutting

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edge because there are still
moments where where not much

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else is happening in the shot
and they can really hone in on

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the detail of Caesar's face that
it's like, holy crap, this is

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photorealistic.
Now.

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There's also scenes where it's
like, oh, this looks like APS

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two cutscene, you know, like
it's, it's a little, especially

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at the end of the movie.
I feel like they just ran out of

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CGI budget.
But but despite all that, what

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keeps you engaged, even as your
brain is telling you this looks

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a little bit chintzy by today's
standards, is that you have this

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believable, heartfelt
performance driving the whole

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thing.
Exactly, Yeah.

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And and opposite of that, you
have James Franco, which I, I

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think we were talking earlier,
Bob is your favorite actor of

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all time.
It was just the way you said it

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was like, yeah, heartfelt.
And then you have James Franco

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Stark difference.
James Franco's such an

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interesting actor because he is
an Oscar nominated actor.

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Who is?
Darn good in the movie he was

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nominated for 127 hours and then
you haven't been movies like

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this and like the latter couple
Spider Man films where my guy is

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just all the way checked out,
really wants that paycheck and

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will provide no facial
expression to earn that check.

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I'm I'm interested to hear what
you think, Brad, because this is

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one of those movies where I'm
like, oh, I don't really think

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James Franco is a very good
actor.

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And then they find kind of
clever ways to cover for that as

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the film goes along, so that the
final scene you get with Cesar

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and James Franco at the end of
the film is, I think pretty

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good.
Like he it's, it's, it's soft,

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it's underplayed.
But then you have him in the

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whole first half of the movie
where it sounds like he's trying

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to yell to someone in the other
room every time he's talking.

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He just seems like really amped
all the time.

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And I I don't really understand
what he's doing.

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I mean, dude, his dad has
Alzheimer's.

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He he's, he's got to get his
point across.

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He sure does.
I I like James Franco in this

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movie.
I think this is an example of

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getting like AB minus actor
where having man I'm trying to

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think 2011 who who would have
been a better fit for this at

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that time.
Give me Ruffalo.

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Throw Ruffalo in this.
Really.

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Or or Gyllenhaal.
Younger Gyllenhaal would be

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great in this I.
Would say younger Gyllenhaal.

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What about a Jeremy Renner?
Sure, Jeremy Renner's always

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going to be like a sure, he's
fine, you know?

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I want to see Leo in this role.
I think that would just be

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wildly ridiculous.
I don't want to see Leo in.

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This way.
That's the thing though, is that

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I feel like if you get a solid a
actor in this role, I think that

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this movie like jumps up to
become like see close, close to

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a class.
I kind of disagree.

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I think the whole thing falls
apart because while the script

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does a really good job
structurally of of establishing

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what it needs to establish to
get you to the end of the movie,

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the human characters in this
movie are just not real.

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Like beyond the first couple
scenes where I feel like they do

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a good job, you know, showing
you the relationship between

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Franco and John Lithgow.
There's a great shot when he's

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first playing the piano and he
goes in and you get the, the

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reveal that his dad has
Alzheimer's because he says,

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like, didn't you have a big math
test today?

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And they cut to a shot.
It's so it's so good.

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They cut to a shot framing both
of them underneath all of James

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Franco's diplomas.
Yeah.

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And I'm like, OK, you did a good
job there.

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But then every subsequent
conversation between 2 human

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beings is like, did you bring
the plot device?

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Yes, I brought the plot device.
We have to get the plot device

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over here.
And then they just go do that.

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And I think if you have Leo
doing that, it it just it

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reveals too much of like how
this the scaffolding on the

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script is not very sturdy.
Yeah.

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I mean, I guess on a certain
level, the whole point of the

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movie is that the apes are a
more relatable character than

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the humans in this movie.
And like, the humans are

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supposed to be like us, a
reflection on ourselves of like,

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why do we suck so much?
And so like, yeah, maybe it

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actually makes sense that, you
know, most of the human actors

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in this film are a little bit.
Bland.

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Bland.
Yeah.

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Can I just say how good is John
Lithgow?

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Like dude, one of our most
underrated character actors.

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I was about to say like, please
exempt him from the statement I

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just made, 'cause he's so good
in this.

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Like when, when he's succumbing
to the Alzheimer's again and

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he's driving the car back and
forth, which was the scene that

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I didn't quite remember.
I was like, ma'am, I, I

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remembered him getting yelled at
and I was like, you're going to

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yell the guy for just sitting in
your car.

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And then he starts slamming it
forward and backwards.

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I'm like, Oh yeah, I'd probably
be pretty pissed about that too.

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Dude, the thing though, the
thing I oh, go ahead.

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Go ahead.
But when he when he looks up and

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yells, Caesar, no, like I, I
can't explain it.

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It's just such a beautiful
moment and there's so much raw

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fear and like knowledge of
what's going to happen to Caesar

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in John Lithgow's voice.
Yeah, he's really great at

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playing.
I don't even know what the word

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is, but it's just like so
cracked open, vulnerable that

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you just want to protect him at
all costs.

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And like, you know, he he makes
a brief appearance on How I Met

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Your Mother in like one of the
seasons as Barney's dad who

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left.
Yes.

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And like he's in, you know,
three or four episodes maybe.

447
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,120
And it's it's it's a paycheck
role.

448
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,440
Like that guy doesn't even
remember being on How I Met Your

449
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,280
Mother, you know?
But like, he is so good.

450
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Because he has Alzheimer's.
He's so good at I'm going to

451
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,600
show up, I'm going to make you
think I'm a guy who wants to

452
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,720
make amends and you're going to
love me by the end of it.

453
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,120
And it's kind of the same thing
here.

454
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:30,800
Is he the American Bill Nighy?
Oh, I would say that he's like

455
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,720
the spiritual successor to what
we lost in Robin Williams, you

456
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,280
know?
But like, yeah, yeah, he might

457
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,600
be the American if this was a
British movie starring Simon

458
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,240
Pegg.
Yes, exactly.

459
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,160
Exactly.
Shot of the dead.

460
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,560
Exactly.
Yeah.

461
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,400
Man, I, I just, he's really,
really good.

462
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600
And it makes the Caesar
character more believable.

463
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,080
I will say one of the things I
loved so much about the first

464
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:59,080
half of this movie is how
absolutely cruel this movie is

465
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,440
to that pilot character that
lives next door.

466
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,520
It's like it's it's funny and
it's meant to be funny within

467
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,040
scenes that are not funny at
all.

468
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,680
Like the guy's just ramming his
car repeatedly and then he's

469
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,200
just on his lawn, like crying.
Like, no.

470
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,160
And then, you know, he
understandably drags John

471
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,760
Lithgow out of his car.
First of all, Lithgow and and

472
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,000
Franco, terrible neighbors.
Like, nobody in their

473
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,120
neighborhood knows that A, the
old man has Alzheimer's and B,

474
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,040
they're housing a chimp for
years.

475
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,520
Nobody's aware of this.
So yeah, the guy pulls him out

476
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,640
and then Caesar's like, now's my
time, baby, I'm eating fingers

477
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,560
today.
And he just freaking annihilates

478
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,320
this man's finger.
I couldn't believe this same

479
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,000
guy.
It was like Jurassic World where

480
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,760
the babysitter gets like tossed
around by pterodactyls and then

481
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,040
thrown into the mouth of like
the big fish.

482
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,160
It unbelievable how cruel this
movie is.

483
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,760
Yeah, I could.
I cannot tell you how important

484
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,240
it was to me that we talk about
the neighbor because if like

485
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,880
they play him as a bad guy.
But if you look at it from his

486
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:20,400
point of view, there's an ape in
his backyard, a a like man sized

487
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320
ape with his children in the
backyard.

488
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,080
I would be pissed too.
There's an old man that I, you

489
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,480
know, he obviously doesn't know
ramming his car back and forth

490
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,200
in between other cars.
I'd also be pissed.

491
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,720
And then there's a there's a
random scientist that coughs

492
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,360
blood up on his face.
Yeah, they're like, this is not

493
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,400
enough.
He also needs to be patient

494
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,760
zero.
Like, yeah, the only thing we

495
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,480
didn't see is like the disease
ravaging his body and limbs

496
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,680
falling off and stuff.
But I'm sure it happened.

497
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,480
They gave the man like Ebola.
I'm sure that's on the cutting

498
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040
room floor somewhere.
They, they actually filmed him

499
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:04,800
like shivering in a corner, like
just pooping himself 'cause that

500
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,080
cause the neighbor could not be
treated more poorly in this

501
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,120
movie And I, I loved it every
moment of it.

502
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,360
All right, before we go to break
a couple more things.

503
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,080
So after Caesar bites fingers,
he gets sent to live at this

504
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,560
quote UN quote ape sanctuary,
which is not remotely close to a

505
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,720
sanctuary.
It is an ape Shawshank and.

506
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,760
Ape Shawshank.
And we have to.

507
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Talk about Draco Malfoy.
We have to talk about Draco

508
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,440
Malfoy.
Brian Cox shows up to collect a

509
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,480
paycheck.
Veteran character actor.

510
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,840
But mostly it's Tom Felton
playing a man.

511
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,120
I had his character name pulled
up.

512
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,560
Here it is the most.
We're gonna create an American

513
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,760
out of this Brit.
His name is Dodge Landon.

514
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,880
Yeah, Dodge Landon, baby.
And.

515
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,120
And Tom Felton still can't do an
American accent because they

516
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:58,360
give him the iconic line get
your stinking paw off me, you

517
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,160
damn dirty ape.
And he still can't pronounce paw

518
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,080
like an American.
He says par like.

519
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,520
Here's here's the question
though, Bob, at the end of the

520
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,080
day, we have talked many times
on how Charlton Heston has such

521
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,200
a weird affect in the way he
speaks.

522
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,240
Are we sure that he wasn't just
imitating Charlton Heston?

523
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,840
Yeah, that might be.
And if so, kudos to you, Sir.

524
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,240
I just love that they're also
like his character.

525
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,640
What is the motivation for him
being so absolutely cruel to

526
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,440
these apes?
And then they're like.

527
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,600
We needed a 10 minute back story
of him getting beaten by his

528
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,440
father.
We we also needed the movie to

529
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,480
continue being cruel to him
because it's like beating him to

530
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,240
death was not enough.
Let's electrocute this dude too.

531
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,760
They really have some overkill
in this film, Brad.

532
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,760
And and it all like it all makes
sense within the confines of

533
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,440
this movie.
Like like within the world of

534
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,400
Planet of the Apes.
I'm like, yeah, obviously he's

535
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:06,000
going to have a shock, like a
shock baton in one hand and he's

536
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,520
he's going to get blasted with a
freaking fire hose.

537
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,360
Did you?
Catch the 2001 reference in that

538
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,240
scene, though.
When?

539
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,440
When?
The Caesar Odyssey.

540
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,480
Yeah, when Caesar first gets the
baton and he holds it up in the

541
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,600
air and there's a shot of just
his hand holding it, it's like a

542
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,000
direct reference to the
beginning of 2001, where you see

543
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,480
the ape with the bone.
Oh, my God, I see.

544
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,400
I see what you're doing.
Clever movie.

545
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,120
That it is my favorite movie of
all time, 2001.

546
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,440
Mine mine too man.
We're we're all the space baby

547
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,160
Bob.
Brad, any final thoughts on the

548
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,440
first part of this movie before
we break for whiskey and then

549
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,480
get into the real meat of the
film in the back half?

550
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,800
Dude, I, I just, this is a hell
of a time kind of movie, you

551
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,640
know what I mean?
Like, I don't even want to give

552
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,440
it a score.
I just want to be like, oh, Rise

553
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,040
of the Planet of the Apes, hell
of a time.

554
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,880
Go watch it.
I and I think that's a good

555
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,040
place to leave this half because
the first half of this movie is

556
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,640
like, all right, I see what
you're doing.

557
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,240
Evil corporation apes getting
pissed off, James Franco trying

558
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,480
to look pretty.
I get it.

559
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,000
And then it really kicks up a
notch in the second-half.

560
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,720
So Brad, let's press pause here.
Let's fuel ourselves with some

561
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,440
whiskey and then we will kick it
up a notch in the second-half.

562
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,280
What do you say?
Before we go there, I will.

563
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,200
I want to give credit for
neighbor #17, who gets just

564
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,080
pooped on the entire movie actor
named David Hewlett.

565
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,760
So, David Hewlett, thank you for
sacrificing your dignity.

566
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,320
Thank you for being patient
zero.

567
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:53,640
Let's drink this whiskey, Bob.
All right, so today we are

568
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,520
checking out Green River
Foolproof Bourbon Whiskey.

569
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320
Brad, I'm a big fan of Green
River.

570
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,080
I think even more specifically,
I'm a big fan of their master

571
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,840
distiller, Aaron Harris, our boy
Aaron.

572
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,320
And because of that, anything
that they send me, I'm going to

573
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,360
be excited for.
This bottle of whiskey literally

574
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,760
just came out, what, two weeks
ago, Brad?

575
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,800
We are drinking it and recording
this review on the first day of

576
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,920
its official release post
embargo.

577
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,760
So we're two weeks behind, but
that might be a record for us,

578
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Brad.
Only two weeks behind on a new

579
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,280
release.
Yeah, 100% Bob did like we are

580
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,560
the most up to date whiskey
podcast in the world of whiskey

581
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,200
podcasts.
I I don't know of anyone else

582
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
who has better up to date news
than us, Bob.

583
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Now as far as I can tell this is
a permanent addition to their

584
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,120
line up at Green River.
It is a mash bill of 70% corn,

585
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:56,200
21% rye, 9% malted barley.
Each batch of this foolproof is

586
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,960
going to be kind of a varied
proof.

587
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,440
Now, Brad, this is something
that like I don't want to get on

588
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,320
my soapbox about.
I still don't know if I've.

589
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,840
But I yet I hear you clambering
up there.

590
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,800
Well, I still don't know if I
quite understand how companies

591
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,280
use the term foolproof when they
release foolproof whiskeys

592
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,080
because I have heard it defined
5 different ways.

593
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,520
And I googled it just before we
pressed record tonight to make

594
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,880
sure that the way that most
people intend it is that it's

595
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,840
not a barrel proof whiskey, but
they'll proof it down to the

596
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,280
entry proof when it went into
the barrel.

597
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,920
So like a lot of distillers,
they'll they'll they'll put

598
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,800
their stuff in the barrel at
like 110 proof.

599
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,360
So when it comes out of the
barrel, they only knock it down

600
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,880
to 110.
They call it full proof.

601
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,400
So it's basically a synonym for
entry proof.

602
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,920
However, I don't really
understand what's going on with

603
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,760
Green River.
Then why is there full proof

604
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,600
varied in the way that it's
bottled?

605
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,720
Like why it from batch to batch
is going to be a different

606
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,880
proof?
Do they put it in barrels at

607
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,400
different proofs all the time?
I have no idea.

608
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,920
This particular one clocks in at
117.3 proof.

609
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,760
And I'm reading this press
release right now.

610
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,080
Brad, our friend Dan Callaway
from Bardstown Bourbon Company,

611
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:16,280
who also who also is the VP of
development for Green River, he

612
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,239
said this.
This is a direct quote from Dan.

613
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,760
Foolproof bottlings are custom
blends of barrels selected from

614
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,440
our favorite parts of the Rick
houses hand selected for their

615
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,920
quality.
What I love about foolproof

616
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,400
expressions is that you're in
control of the proof taste at

617
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,280
full bodied strength and adjust
to your preferences, which

618
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,480
doesn't seem to actually jive
with the definition that I read

619
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,120
online.
So it seems like you can kind of

620
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,800
just call whatever you want
foolproof.

621
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,199
Now I'm not accusing the river
of doing that, but like.

622
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,800
I was gonna say, Bob, are you
going to trust the capital I

623
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,280
Internet or are you going to
trust friend of show Dan Keller?

624
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,239
I guess what I'm saying is, at
the end of the day, I don't

625
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,480
really care.
But this is a term that's not

626
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,040
regulated.
It has absolutely no meaning

627
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,200
beyond what companies want it to
mean.

628
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,040
And that's cool with me, because
as long as this is tasty, you

629
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,280
can call it whatever the hell
you want.

630
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,320
That was a really long way.
We went all the way around the

631
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,680
bend of the river and back Bob
to get to the point.

632
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,720
If this is tasty, you can call
it whatever you want.

633
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,680
I don't usually get to nerd out
about whiskey, and I know that

634
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,720
you don't care about this
terminology, so I'm really

635
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:31,120
speaking into the void and I'm
hoping that someone out there is

636
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,440
dialoguing with me as they
listen to this.

637
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,720
I'm sure they are.
Because it's not you.

638
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,520
Maybe they can call into our non
existent phone line that we used

639
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,920
to have and leave a voicemail.
All right, man, let's dive into

640
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,760
the actual whiskey here.
Dan Callaway, let us know what's

641
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,720
going on with this because I, I
really like it and I want to

642
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,400
know more about it.
Brad, what are you picking up on

643
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,880
the nose of Green River?
Foolproof.

644
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,960
Yeah, man, I mean, this is a
high rye bourbon.

645
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,320
It's 70 corn, 21 rye, and the
rest is malt barley, 9%.

646
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,200
And the reason I bring up the
mash bill here is that I I was

647
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,920
kind of blown away.
I mean, 21 percent is high, but

648
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,480
it's not like a massive rye
bill.

649
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,840
I got rye right on the nose once
I let it sit for a little bit

650
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,680
though.
This had strawberry pop tart, it

651
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,640
had peanut butter, it had all
sorts of really nice nose.

652
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,120
It's got a little bit of a
skunky mint flavour coming on

653
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,800
the nose.
The one complaint I have here is

654
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,880
that the ethanol comes across
pretty strongly and even after

655
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,240
letting it sit for a while it it
still is just coming off like

656
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:53,280
125 plus proofer.
But I really like the notes

657
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,360
going on here.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

658
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,240
10.
Yeah, it actually has a lot of

659
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,120
character that we get on high
proof weeded bourbons.

660
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,720
There's a lot of softness here.
There's some Coca-Cola notes as

661
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,720
well that I really like.
So it's got a nice spice base to

662
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,680
it.
And every once in a while, I

663
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,040
don't want to call it sharp
because that makes it sound like

664
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,480
it's something that's like, you
know, you want to pull back from

665
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,640
it.
There's this pop of like a

666
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,240
really bright fruit, like a sour
apple or a lemon twist, or

667
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,000
there's just something that's
like really bright that pops

668
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,560
off, pops off of it every now
and then.

669
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,880
I'm with you on that weird
skunky note.

670
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,240
I pushed through that and it
kind of dissipated after about a

671
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,360
minute in the glass.
I like this a lot and I don't

672
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,960
know where it's going to go and
I think I'm really intrigued by

673
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,520
it.
I'm going to give it an 8.5 on

674
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,600
the nose.
Bob, I'll tell you what, it goes

675
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,040
to some delicious places.
This is a nine out of 10 on the

676
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,000
on the palate.
It's got peanut butter, it's got

677
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,480
vanilla, it's got a really nice
sweet mint coming off of that

678
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,800
rye.
It gets a little bit spicy near

679
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,960
the back of my palate.
But the big thing that hit me

680
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:07,960
was that, as with a lot of ryes
that I enjoy, it mixes that

681
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,480
spice with the richness of a
bourbon.

682
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,960
And obviously this being a
bourbon, the richness is

683
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,000
forward.
And for me, it came across as

684
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,200
like a caramel fudge.
Like you get a little bit of

685
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,760
that cacao to go with the
caramel.

686
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,240
Bob.
This is freaking delicious.

687
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,800
Dude, I thought you were going
to say what I was thinking and

688
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,400
you almost did.
I'm I'm with you.

689
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,040
This is far and away the best
thing I've had from Green River

690
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,960
and easily, as much as I support
Aaron, I can now fully support

691
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,120
everything that's coming out of
this distillery product wise

692
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,560
too.
Because right up front there was

693
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,720
that kind of tart strawberry
that you were picking up, Brad.

694
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,240
It was like not quite Strawberry
Shortcake, but it had a little

695
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:54,520
bit of breadiness, but it was
like fresh tart strawberries.

696
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,160
And then you start kicking it to
the back of your palate.

697
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,600
All those nice bourbon notes
come in some nice oak underlying

698
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,280
it.
Vanilla, caramel, Maple.

699
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,160
You go to swallow and it's like
waves of spice and heat come

700
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,040
back up your palate.
This is a big bold bourbon.

701
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,480
But what I loved about it is it
never stopped being sweet.

702
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,080
It was sweet all the way through
and it never soured and it never

703
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,840
got bitter.
And the it's really viscous.

704
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,440
It's really thick on the palate
and when you go to swallow, it

705
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,120
reminded me of eating like a
caramel flan.

706
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,360
Like when you cut into the Grand
Flan, it had that kind of dairy

707
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,640
like a thickness to it.
Man, I love this.

708
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200
This is fantastic. 9 1/2 for me,
Brad.

709
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,880
Yeah, dude, I told you, man, the
the pallet on this is

710
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,760
incredible.
The finish drops off just a

711
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,960
little bit for me.
It's not quite as potent.

712
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,960
It's a it's a medium finish in
my book, but you get the dill

713
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,760
coming through.
It goes from that sweetman on

714
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,680
the pallet to kind of a dill
flavor on the back end.

715
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,920
There's some black pepper.
It almost reminded me of like a

716
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:04,160
fresh cut grass.
Bit of a flavor here, just falls

717
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960
off a tiny bit.
Still a really solid product

718
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,640
through the through the finish.
I'll give it a 7 1/2 here.

719
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,840
You ever have like a Coke bottle
in your car that you leave in

720
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,800
there for a little too long
during the day and it gets kind

721
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,360
of like warm and flat and you're
like, I'm going to, I'm going to

722
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,200
finish it.
All right.

723
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,320
Well, that's what I did today.
I had a bottle of Diet Coke in

724
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,320
my car, went to a baseball game,
got back in the car, and I was

725
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,120
like, yeah, I'm going to finish
those last few sips.

726
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,040
My point is, flat Coca-Cola
tastes a little bit different

727
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,320
than fully carbonated.
Coca-Cola doesn't quite doesn't

728
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,760
quite hit the same.
This had those notes, like all

729
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040
the Coca-Cola notes are there,
but it's a little bit thinner.

730
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,560
It's a little bit more like corn
syrupy.

731
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,480
And then there's that layer of
herbal fresh cut grass you were

732
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,320
getting too, like I, I, I'm with
you, man.

733
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,840
You're spot on today.
The finish is a step down, but

734
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,280
it's not like a drastic step
down.

735
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,160
It's at least a 7 1/2 I think,
Brad.

736
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Yeah, and I, I think balance
wise like this is a solid 8 out

737
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,880
of 10.
The the strong palate definitely

738
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,720
helps it here.
The the nose is really good.

739
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:09,600
The finish is decent, above
average I like, but the main

740
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,040
thing with the balance here is
that they know what they are

741
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040
going for and they hit the right
notes throughout.

742
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,440
I will say this, this is not the
most complex whiskey we've had

743
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,480
this season and we're coming off
of back-to-back weeks of like

744
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,200
really great whiskeys.
Barrel Vantage at like an 80 to

745
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,720
$90.00 price point.
Bardstown Amrude at $160.00.

746
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,440
This not to tip too far into
value, this is 4999 SRP.

747
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,440
So now we've had three
phenomenal whiskeys AT3 price

748
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,760
points.
I say all that to say it's not

749
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,640
the most complex.
It definitely tastes like a $49

750
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,360
whiskey instead of a $90.00
whiskey.

751
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,560
It is the most purely delicious
of all three of those whiskeys.

752
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,360
Like I I could get drunk sitting
here drinking this right now

753
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,280
because I want more of it
immediately.

754
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,360
It is like it is hitting all of
the Bob book taste bud pleasure

755
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,120
receptors that I have been
craving in a whiskey all season

756
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,120
and like I am the target
audience for this.

757
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,160
This is a nine out of 10
balance, Brad.

758
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,600
Yeah, I, I mean, honestly, dude,
it, it kind of fits Rise of the

759
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,280
Planet of the Apes.
Like it's just a hell of a good

760
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:28,880
time, if not like the most
complex French cinema deep dive

761
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,200
that you might want on on
certain days, but you could put

762
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,120
this in any day of the week and
enjoy it.

763
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,160
I'm kind of with you, man.
Dude, value wise, $50.00 for

764
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,160
this.
Yeah, I thought it was going to

765
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,200
be like 70.
Like, no joke.

766
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,720
I I was like looking for it
online, thinking like this will

767
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,400
probably be like a $70.00
bottle.

768
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,120
This is $49.99, Bob.
That is a incredible value in

769
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,960
the world of whiskey. 9 out of
10.

770
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,560
I'm going to give it a nine and
a half.

771
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,440
And the only reason it's not a
10 is I think about other things

772
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,280
at this proof point that are
kind of in, you know, within a

773
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,680
margin of error of five to $10.
And I can really only think of

774
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:14,240
like Rare Breed and Rebel Rebel
Distillers collection, which is

775
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,400
maybe my favorite whiskey that's
like $4345.

776
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,240
And this is, this actually
reminds me of that a lot on the

777
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,920
taste, but it's creamier.
And so I'm like this, this is

778
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,160
interchangeable with that for me
now, but it's about $10 more

779
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,680
expensive, at least six or
seven.

780
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:36,360
And so it's like, it's not quite
a 10, but it's darn close, Brad,

781
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,080
and it's bringing me out to my
highest score of the season on a

782
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,720
whiskey, a 44 out of 50.
I am just a little bit lower

783
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:48,680
than you Bob, but I'm at a 41.5
out of 50.

784
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,560
Well, Brad, this makes it three
weeks in a row that we have

785
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,600
finally achieved some whiskeys
over the 40 mark because we're

786
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:04,240
coming out to a 42.75 or an 85.5
out of 100.

787
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,800
Folks, this is like again, Green
River, please, please hear me

788
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,920
when I say this.
I've liked all your products.

789
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,560
I've probably hyped up my boy a
little bit.

790
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,080
This is the first one that I'm
like, absolutely not like this.

791
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,800
This is a no brainer.
Go purchase this candidate for

792
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,640
like whiskey of the year for me,
especially when you consider

793
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,000
value as part of it.
You could buy 3 1/2 bottles of

794
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,280
this for one bottle of the
Bardstown Amrut.

795
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,280
It's and it's It's good enough
that you might want to buy 3 1/2

796
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,560
bottles.
Yes, yeah, Bob, I I am blown

797
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,720
away by this.
Like, I knew that they were

798
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,920
doing good things at Green
River, and this has just

799
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,440
cemented them in my mind as one
of the top distilleries to be

800
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,840
watching right now.
I I absolutely love this.

801
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,720
Foolproof.
Yeah, so much so that it's like

802
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,160
this should be like the basic
expression, nothing against like

803
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,680
what they've put out so far, but
it's like, hey guys, what if you

804
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,000
pivoted your entire strategy and
you're just like, no, this is

805
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,840
Green River bourbon now because.
Then everybody buy this.

806
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,120
Because then I might even come
down off of my Rebel Lux Row

807
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,120
High horse and just start
touting Green River.

808
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,080
It's that good, Brad.
Hey, it's incredible.

809
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,960
I'm with you, man.
Spectacular whiskey.

810
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,240
All right, dude, let's get back
into talking about Planet of the

811
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:24,320
Apes.
What do you say?

812
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,920
Bob.
Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

813
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,160
OK, thank you.
Yeah, let's get to it, man.

814
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,160
All right, everybody.
That was Green River.

815
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:45,760
Foolproof heaven.
I'm ready to give this movie A10

816
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,360
now Brad.
I don't even care anymore.

817
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:53,560
This has lifted my whole week.
I'll give this move 10.

818
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,480
You know, The thing is, like,
we've had some really great

819
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,600
whiskeys.
The Barrel Vantage and the

820
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Amroot were just really great.
And it's kind of like, it's kind

821
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,640
of like watching movies where
you walk out of a movie and

822
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,400
you're like, wow, that was an
exceptionally made film that I

823
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,440
will probably give like a nine
out of 10 to.

824
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,600
But it does not hit me in the
heart the way that my favorites

825
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,600
do.
And this is like, Brad, this is

826
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,560
like a big old warm hug from
Steven Spielberg.

827
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,640
You know what I mean?
Yeah.

828
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,560
Yeah, it really is, man.
I I just thank you.

829
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Aaron Harris.
Thank you, Green River

830
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,640
Distilling.
This is so, so good.

831
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,800
All right.
Let's let's pivot reluctantly

832
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,160
into our game for the day, which
we call 2 facts and a falsehood.

833
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,040
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball to.

834
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,920
Our right and what is wrong?
Two facts and a falsehood.

835
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,320
Two Facts and a Falsehood is the
part of the show where Brad

836
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,320
presents me with three items
about the making of this movie.

837
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,200
All of them are presented as
fact.

838
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,680
One of them is a complete lie.
Brad.

839
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,520
As of right now, I am at 14 and
9 on the season, still looking

840
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,640
to wrap up that 500 season.
I hope I can get back in the win

841
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,840
column today, but let's see if
you can derail me yet again,

842
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,360
Brad, with your two facts and a
falsehood.

843
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,880
Fact number one, This is one of
the first films to use motion

844
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,840
capture in an on location
setting.

845
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Previously, mocap was only
limited to special studio setups

846
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,120
with special mocap cameras and
very clearly defined

847
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,240
surroundings.
Fact #2 The only scenes of

848
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,120
Caesar that Andy Serkis did not
perform was when he was a baby

849
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,840
because he was too large to
appear where the baby ape does.

850
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,840
Instead, the baby chimp was
animated using a real newborn

851
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,640
for reference in order to make
the typical jittery movements of

852
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:53,440
a baby look realistic.
Fact #3 This is the first film

853
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,560
in the Planet of the Apes
franchise not to have an

854
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,240
appearance from Charlton Heston
in it after his death in 2008.

855
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Can you read Just reread #1 real
quick.

856
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,640
One of the first films to use
motion capture in an on location

857
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,640
setting.
So not the first, just one of

858
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,080
the first.
One of the first.

859
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,800
One of the first, I was going to
call you out for that one if it

860
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,600
just said the first because I
was like, I don't think that's

861
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,080
true.
OK, so I think it's either one

862
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,240
or three.
Mocap is such an interesting

863
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:33,760
thing because like yes, it was
mostly done on a sound stage.

864
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,400
I think back to like watching
behind the scenes clips of Tom

865
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,200
Hanks doing The Polar Express,
which is hilarious because like

866
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,680
those those animated people look
dead.

867
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,360
Like why did you do mocap?
Like he clearly did not serve

868
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:53,400
its intended purpose.
Was Charlton Heston in every

869
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,160
apes move?
That's The thing is like I

870
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,440
haven't seen any of the sequels
to the original and there were

871
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,560
five of them to like 5 movies
total.

872
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,600
So that's four movies I've never
seen.

873
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,840
I know he was in at least one of
them, but I don't know if he

874
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,920
even makes an appearance in the
other three.

875
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:17,360
I'm gonna go out on a limb and
say three is the falsehood, but

876
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,160
it could just as easily be one
Brad.

877
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,880
But I'm going to lock in three
is my answer.

878
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:27,760
Bob, you are one step closer to
a perfect half season.

879
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,920
You are correct.
Here's the wild thing Childhood

880
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,240
and Heston does show up in this
movie.

881
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,320
Oh, really?
Yeah, he does.

882
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:43,240
There's a scene where do you
remember when Tom Felton brings

883
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,600
his the girlfriends to the
shelter?

884
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,640
There's a movie showing on the
television screen above them.

885
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:54,760
And it's the 1965 drama The
Agony and the Ecstasy with

886
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,760
Charlton Heston.
So he's there in spirit.

887
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,480
He no, he's, he's literally
there in a movie within a movie.

888
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Well, I mean, he was dead at the
time is what I'm saying.

889
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,440
Like he's.
Yeah, but he's in the movie,

890
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Bob.
In a movie, It's Inception.

891
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,000
He sure is.
OK cool.

892
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,280
So do you know if he was also in
all of the other ones too?

893
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,880
He was.
Not he did.

894
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,120
He did make an appearance.
I'm trying to remember now.

895
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,160
He's in most of them.
I think there's maybe like two

896
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,240
that he is completely not in.
He was like, you're not getting

897
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:32,080
me back for apes four.
I need to go do other stuff now.

898
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,640
All right, dude, let's talk
about the second-half of this

899
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,080
movie.
So things really take off when

900
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,000
Cesar decides like I'm tired of
Tom Felton's, it's time for me

901
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,200
to start beating up some humans
and taking control over this guy

902
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,320
Koba.
And you get this really great

903
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,760
kind of jailbreak sequence, but
you get to watch Cesar B.

904
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,880
I don't know what the word is,
man.

905
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,080
And this is, this is like, what
makes circus's performance so

906
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,400
good is Caesar's kind of
dangerous?

907
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,480
And you're not entirely sure if
you're on his side the whole

908
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,400
time.
Like, you trust that he has a

909
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,680
moral compass more than these
other apes do.

910
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,440
But when you're watching him
kind of be devious and devise a

911
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,600
plan to break out, you're not
entirely sure where he's going

912
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,440
to go with it.
And so you're kind of wondering,

913
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,240
like, is Caesar going to turn
bad?

914
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,720
And he always just kind of pulls
himself back from that edge

915
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:27,520
throughout the film.
But watching him kind of figure

916
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,480
out, OK, here's the here's the
passcode to the gate.

917
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Here's how I get the gorilla out
of its cage.

918
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,120
Here's how I get Coba on my
side.

919
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,520
And then finally, like, here's
how we bust out of the joint.

920
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,720
It's a really, really great
sequence that's done essentially

921
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:44,280
wordlessly because none of the
apes speak at that point.

922
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,400
And I just think it's another
testament to how good Andy

923
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,640
Serkis is in this movie. 100%
man.

924
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,960
And even like one of the most
jarring moments of the film for

925
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,240
me is when he lures the ape that
had made a fool of him at the

926
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,280
start of his time in the shelter
out and the IT kind of is

927
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,080
following this other ape walking
through the like ventilation

928
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,600
grating.
Yeah, oh dude, when he comes out

929
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,600
and gets freaking clocked by.
Caesar, you know what I keep

930
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,360
calling him?
Coba.

931
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,280
That's not Coba.
Coba's the one that's getting

932
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,960
effed up in in Gensis.
Oh yeah.

933
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,800
He's he's the one that's like
been a lab ape for a long time.

934
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,360
Have you seen the second one,
Brad?

935
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,200
I have not.
OK so the second one in this

936
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,240
trilogy is the like by far the
best one.

937
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,560
But Coba's like the main bad guy
in that movie.

938
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,960
I was going to say like the
moment he comes on screen,

939
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,600
you're like bad guy, bad guy.
That's that's the bad guy to.

940
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,640
The point where you're like, why
did they choose him for this

941
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,880
experiment?
Like it seems like if literally

942
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,240
anything goes wrong, this guy is
going to rip your face off.

943
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Yes 100% man.
Another fun fact I learned in my

944
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:02,520
research, he is a Bonobo ape.
Well, I guess bonobo's its own

945
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,720
species within this is Koba
Kingdom.

946
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:08,920
Koba, yes.
And he is the only species of

947
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,040
monkey to not have appeared in a
Plan of the Apes film before,

948
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,960
because bonobos were they used
to be thought to be a subspecies

949
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,160
of chimp, but they're actually
their own and so this is the

950
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,080
first time a Bonobo was in the
films.

951
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,000
And they made him like the most
evil serial killer ape of all

952
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,720
time.
Dude, he's.

953
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,600
Terrified.
Oh, you got to watch the second

954
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:36,440
one, dude, it's so good.
So anyway, yeah, Caesar busts

955
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,480
them all out of the joint.
You go back to Gen. sis and

956
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,320
there's a bunch of BS happening
once.

957
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Once the stuff with Caesar
really gets going.

958
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,280
I kind of hated every time they
cut away to like James Franco

959
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,600
being like, please let me come
do more experiments.

960
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,400
I think I can change.
I don't care about you anymore

961
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,200
James Franco.
Like let's watch Caesar do

962
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,840
stuff.
And at no point did it.

963
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,320
Did they kind of get the Gen.
sis stuff under control.

964
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,840
For me, I feel like after a
certain point it was like, this

965
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,760
is this is a Benny Hill theme.
Like let's just speed this up

966
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,160
and watch the calamities happen
'cause it's just like one

967
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,600
gigantic OSHA violation
happening for an hour in that

968
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,720
place.
Like, like, my guys leaving

969
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,680
doors open, there's apes running
around, we're shooting things,

970
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:23,640
he's coughing blood on
everybody.

971
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,240
We're just lifting products out
of the lab.

972
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,520
No one's paying attention.
Like this place has the most LAX

973
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,680
security, quality control, PPE
requirements.

974
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,680
Like now that we've come through
COVID, I'm watching this man

975
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,440
wander the streets just coughing
on unsuspecting bystanders.

976
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,960
It's like you don't wear a mask
when you're sick.

977
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,320
Dude, what are you doing?
Unbelievable.

978
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:55,520
Bro the fact that you want him
walking around wearing a mask

979
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,920
like did you have you ever seen
a human being pre pandemic

980
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,200
wearing a mask walking that's.
The thing is like they're,

981
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,120
they're wearing masks and stuff
and protective equipment when

982
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,160
they're with the monkeys.
And then the man's like he knows

983
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,960
he got sick from the monkeys and
he's like, yeah, I'm good to

984
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,000
just wander around and just
cough blood on everybody.

985
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,640
I think we're good now.
He was going over the

986
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,880
scientist's house for for
unknown reasons.

987
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,440
Yeah, like, hey, this guy will
tell me what's wrong with me.

988
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,120
Let me go over and cough on his
door and neighbors.

989
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,160
So then you get, I think what
what really redeems the I don't

990
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,400
even want to say redeems the
movie.

991
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,320
It was like a 7.5 and it was
starting to tip down into like 7

992
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,640
to 6.5 range because the people
in the film start to become even

993
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,360
more one-dimensional in order to
serve the plot.

994
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,160
And I was like, oh man, this is
getting kind of sloppy.

995
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,760
And then they're like, let's
have a big action set piece on

996
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:57,720
the Golden Gate Bridge to end
this movie.

997
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:02,320
And boy oh boy are the last 20
to 25 minutes of this film not

998
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,760
just absolutely perfect action
film making.

999
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:13,040
Dude, it, it is stunning how
awesome the end of this movie

1000
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,000
is.
And especially as you see, you

1001
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,520
know, Andy Serkis Caesar like
take full ownership of his new

1002
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,680
leadership role, like he's
finally stepping into who we

1003
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,880
wanted him to be the entire
time.

1004
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,840
And I, I think that's the
success of this movie.

1005
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,440
Not to get away from the the set
piece, but the success of this

1006
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:41,280
movie is that you want Caesar to
have an uprising with the apes

1007
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,160
by the end of the film.
Like as a viewer, you're like,

1008
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,160
yeah, I don't know if humans
really deserve this planet mate.

1009
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,280
Like, let's give the monkeys a
shot by like, why not?

1010
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,720
And you, you get to see them
take their first shot on the

1011
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,840
Golden Gate Bridge and it's
wild.

1012
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,600
Like the the fog rolls in.
There's there's monkeys climbing

1013
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,040
up the girders.
They're underneath the bridge.

1014
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,520
They're riding on horses like I
I don't know what else you want

1015
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,760
out of a set piece on the Golden
Gate Bridge, Bob.

1016
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:20,200
And it's so great too, because
everything they make the apes do

1017
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,440
at the end of the movie is like,
OK, come on now.

1018
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,240
But they've been injected with
superhero Venom or whatever the

1019
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,520
hell you want to call it and
like.

1020
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,160
By Steve Rogers, Venom.
Yeah, by the end of the movie,

1021
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,400
they're they are like superhuman
smart.

1022
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,200
So it makes total sense that
that Caesar knows they're

1023
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,960
waiting for me in that fog
somewhere.

1024
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,040
Let's go over them and let's go
under them.

1025
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,640
And I'm like, hell yeah.
The master tactician Caesar

1026
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,080
apparently absorbed both human
intelligence and sun soothes the

1027
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,520
art of war while he was
breathing in this stuff.

1028
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,920
And it just like, you know what?
I don't care.

1029
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,680
It's great.
They turn over a bus.

1030
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,560
They're using it as a shield.
It's just like everything I want

1031
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,560
this movie to be.
And I kind of forgot that there

1032
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,120
is a big action set piece.
I really thought this movie was

1033
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,600
just kind of like, let's set up
the Caesar arc.

1034
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,040
He goes into the trees at the
end.

1035
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,960
And man, I forgot that there's
like apes getting machine gunned

1036
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,520
and a gorilla jumping in a
helicopter and like ripping guys

1037
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,760
faces apart.
It's, it's just absolutely

1038
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,800
thrilling, Brad.
It's incredible.

1039
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,680
I everything about it, man.
I am all about this movie.

1040
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,120
I remember walking out of the
theaters the the first time I

1041
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,200
saw it and being like, man, I, I
remember watching Planet of the

1042
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,920
Apes with my dad and it was not
this cool.

1043
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,880
Like it was, it was a fun movie,
but it was not nearly as cool as

1044
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,920
this one.
And a large portion of that is

1045
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,080
the final set piece.
And it's that final moment, like

1046
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:53,960
James Franco gives one last plea
and you've gone from like Franco

1047
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,120
doesn't even need to ask Caesar
to be at home because he's so

1048
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:01,960
committed to it to I'm not going
to come home because I'm angry

1049
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:07,400
and bitter to I'm not going to
go with you because I have found

1050
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,200
my home with the the
civilization I belong with.

1051
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,400
And like it's just such a cool
transformation of character and

1052
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,680
it's a really well done.
It's really great how they use

1053
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,520
Caesar Caesar's ability to talk
at the end of the film.

1054
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,600
He only speaks three times in
this movie.

1055
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,000
The first time is when he yells
no and everyone's like oh shit.

1056
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,080
The second time is when he yells
no on the bridge to keep the

1057
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,200
gorilla from killing someone.
And then the third time is when

1058
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,920
you understand that he can
actually form full sentences and

1059
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,920
he reveals it to Franco,
whispering in his ear.

1060
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,800
Caesar is home.
And I think that's Franco's best

1061
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,280
moment of acting in the whole
movie is reacting to that.

1062
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,080
The horror, the pride, the like,
I can't believe we're here like

1063
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,080
kind of moment.
But then they couple that with

1064
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:01,880
some really brilliant non verbal
moments of Franco needing a hand

1065
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,160
up from Caesar and so where
Caesar had reached out to him.

1066
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,320
Just like in in a subservient
way earlier in the movie, now

1067
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,680
it's Franco needing a hand up
from Caesar.

1068
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,640
And then once Franco's like hey,
go go be Caesar now he walks

1069
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,440
away and all the other apes
start kowtowing to him like it's

1070
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,760
the end of the Godfather.
Like he's freaking Michael

1071
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,840
Corleone now.
It's so good dude.

1072
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,080
Like everything they choose to
do in that final confrontation,

1073
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,520
you know, send off with Franco
both verbally and non verbally,

1074
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,480
it's all pay off and it's really
well earned.

1075
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:43,800
Yes, like yes, yes, yes, the the
final, I don't know, 30 minutes

1076
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:50,560
of this movie, Bob are like 9
out of 10 action drama, like

1077
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:55,000
movement into satisfying
everything they've set up

1078
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,720
throughout the rest of the film.
I dude, I got to give my guy

1079
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,200
Rupert Wyatt some credit here.
I've never heard of him before

1080
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,040
and he freaking delivers.
All right, man.

1081
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,920
Well, in order to give this
movie some final scores, we have

1082
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,520
one more segment to get through
and that is let's make it a

1083
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,320
double.
We're near the end of the

1084
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,680
episode, so thanks for listening
to the film and Whiskey show.

1085
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,720
Let's favor another film with
this one, even if it's struggle.

1086
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,320
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1087
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,160
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1088
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,440
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1089
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,880
feature.
Brad, I, I mentioned Jurassic

1090
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,880
Park earlier.
I think that's kind of like the

1091
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,800
closest parallel to what's going
on in this movie, although it

1092
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,040
makes reference to a ton of
other things like 2001.

1093
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,880
There's like a little bit of, I
don't know if you ever read the

1094
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,720
short story Flowers for Algernon
when you were like in high

1095
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,320
school.
There's a little bit of that

1096
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,080
happening in the Alzheimer's
story.

1097
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,440
I think Jurassic Park's the
closest thing.

1098
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,360
I am not going to pair this up
with Jurassic Park because

1099
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,080
that's unfair to this movie.
I am going to pair it up with

1100
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,320
Jurassic World, which kicked
kicked off a franchise that I

1101
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,760
absolutely hate.
And this movie is significantly

1102
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,800
better than Jurassic World.
And so I would pair them up as

1103
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:14,400
two ways to jump off to use
Jurassic Park as the jumping off

1104
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,120
point.
And one of them worked out

1105
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,080
really well and one of them led
to three crappy movies.

1106
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,880
So there you go.
I don't think I love that, Bob.

1107
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,000
I was thinking about Jurassic
World the other day because The

1108
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,200
Legend of Zelda is a movie that
is a game franchise that's now

1109
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,720
being turned into a movie, and
the writer for the Jurassic

1110
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,480
World series is the writer for
The Legend of Zelda, and that

1111
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:40,600
does not.
Yeah, that's rough.

1112
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,440
Yeah.
What do you think about West

1113
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,160
Ball as the director?
I don't even know who W Ball is

1114
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,040
if I'm being honest with you.
Yeah, he did.

1115
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,960
Maze Runner and Yeah I.
Didn't see that dude.

1116
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:58,280
There was like such a glut of
mediocre YA novel adaptations in

1117
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,440
the 2000 tens that I was like, I
can only see Hunger Games

1118
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,680
because I know those are going
to be the best of the bunch.

1119
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,160
I never saw the Divergent stuff,
I never saw the the Maze Runner

1120
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:15,720
stuff, never saw Twilight.
Yeah, I so if we're diving in

1121
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:20,400
the first of the Divergent
movies, I really liked, if I

1122
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,360
went back to it, I'm sure it
would be like A7, but like it

1123
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:28,040
was decent, but it got so bad
that like they canned it after

1124
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:33,840
the second one.
Other than that, I don't think I

1125
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,360
got in any of the offshoot.
Like yeah, I never watched Maze

1126
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,160
Runner.
Anyway, what's your Let's make

1127
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,160
it a double man.
Let's make it a double.

1128
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:49,000
I finished watching a movie that
you begged for me to see in

1129
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,440
theaters.
I mean, you like, despite the

1130
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,000
fact that we never see each
other, you were pretty much on

1131
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,520
your knees begging me to see
this movie in theaters.

1132
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,920
I did not see it in theaters.
I just finished it like an hour

1133
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,640
and a half ago.
It was a little film called.

1134
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:10,320
Oppenheimer, a film known for
its many apes.

1135
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,480
Yes, so many apes.
The reason it makes me think of

1136
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,600
Rise of the Planet of the Apes
is that, well, should I spoil

1137
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,280
Oppenheimer?
That's actually a new film, I

1138
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,600
mean.
I don't really know if it's a

1139
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,520
spoiler.
It's like a historical document.

1140
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,080
Sure.
Spoiler alert, America drops out

1141
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,440
of Hollywood.
Let's just say this there.

1142
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:37,920
There's a chain reaction in both
films, and I'll go with that.

1143
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,640
Go watch Oppenheimer is my
primary thought.

1144
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,200
It's like I need to see it
again.

1145
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,960
I don't know if it's ten out of
10, but it's definitely no one's

1146
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,680
best film.
I saw it five or six times in

1147
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,720
the theater, Brad, and there's
only a select few films I've

1148
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,360
ever seen that many times in the
movie theater.

1149
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:58,240
That's a lot of times the.
First time I saw Oppenheimer, I

1150
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:03,600
was like, this is a big kind of
flawed, enormous tapestry of a

1151
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,520
movie that I can't quite get my
arms around and is unbelievable.

1152
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,240
And then I saw the second time
and I was like, I think this is

1153
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,200
the angle he wants to take.
The third time I was like, all

1154
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,160
right, I really think it's this
angle and the more you the more

1155
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,520
I watch it, the more I'm like,
now I know why every scene in

1156
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:20,600
this movie happens.
I know the angle he's trying to

1157
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,760
take.
It took me like 4 viewings to

1158
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,320
get there, but it was never
like, I have to watch this four

1159
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,360
times because it's like, it's
not a, it's not a well made

1160
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,640
film, you know what I mean?
Like like it was obstructing

1161
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,640
itself from me.
It's just so freaking good.

1162
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,520
Watch Oppenheimer even more than
you should watch Rise of the

1163
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,200
Planet of the Apes, is what I'm
saying.

1164
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:48,360
Yes yeah, I I am 100% with the
Bob Oppenheimer's an incredible

1165
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:51,600
film Rise of the Planet of the
Apes, though we might as well

1166
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,320
get into our final scores I.
Was going to say with that said,

1167
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,280
man, this is not anything to
sneeze at.

1168
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,640
This is a really good movie,
Brad.

1169
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,280
Yeah, I I think it's a lot of
fun.

1170
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,840
I think that there's a little
bit of cheesy acting, but it in

1171
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,920
this is a rare case where I
think the cheesy acting kind of

1172
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,360
works in the movie's favor.
Am I wrong?

1173
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,720
No.
And like, you know, if we're if

1174
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,040
we're talking about this as like
an origin story for this

1175
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,040
character of Caesar, this is
happening during what we would

1176
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,840
now call phase one of the MCU
because next week, spoiler

1177
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,840
alert, people were watching The
Avengers where it all

1178
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,920
culminates.
And like, I really like the the

1179
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,480
origin stories of those original
Avengers people.

1180
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,640
But as the MCU goes on, the
origin story started to really

1181
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,440
suck because it was just this
person has this beam of

1182
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,960
something shot at them and now
they're Captain Marvel or

1183
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,360
whatever the hell happened, you
know what I mean?

1184
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,920
And like, this has so much more
heart, this has so much more

1185
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,320
character development.
There's there's really thorny

1186
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,440
kind of moral questions
happening.

1187
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,240
And I think that, is it a
perfect movie?

1188
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,520
No.
But it does seem setting for a

1189
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,440
trilogy so much better than
pretty much anything we've

1190
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,040
gotten in the last 14 years or
however long it's been since it

1191
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,640
came out.
It's a really good entry point

1192
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,440
into this new world they're
building.

1193
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:18,320
Yeah, and and the fascinating
thing for me coming to the end

1194
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:25,640
of this episode is we have been
bemoaning IP driven films for

1195
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,640
like over a decade now.
But look at this man.

1196
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,240
This is a 10 plus like expanded
universe.

1197
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:39,080
There are so many Planet of the
Apes films and yet here we are

1198
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:43,320
like saying this, this trilogy,
great trilogy.

1199
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:44,920
All three were really good
movies.

1200
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:51,680
The new one getting good reviews
like apparently you can do long

1201
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:58,240
term over you know, 60 years at
this point, IP driven franchise

1202
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:02,320
and continue to do it at a, you
know, high quality pace.

1203
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,120
Who to thunk it bro?
And you don't have to destroy

1204
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,080
cinema to do it.
No, you sure don't.

1205
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,160
All right, man, I would say
this.

1206
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,640
There are parts of this movie
that are like really weak and

1207
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:18,000
really thinly constructed.
No.

1208
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,319
But they really paper over it
with that last 20 minutes.

1209
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:26,200
It's like a 7 1/2 movie that
gives you an 8 1/2 theater going

1210
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,640
experience.
Like I walked out of this movie

1211
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,640
even today watching it like on
my phone, I was like hell yes,

1212
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,720
this movie got me going.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

1213
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,120
10, but I think like you could
easily convince me to bump up to

1214
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,399
an 8 1/2 on this one.
Yeah, I'm in the same place,

1215
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,000
Bob.
I think this is an 8 out of 10.

1216
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,479
I really like this movie.
I have fun with it.

1217
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,319
I will come back to it.
Oh, here, let me ask this.

1218
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,720
I'm looking at our scores for
the season, Brad, and like what,

1219
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,720
eight or nine weeks ago now, we
did the first Pirates of the

1220
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,279
Caribbean film.
OK, setting the stage for a a

1221
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:04,520
long running franchise.
Mm Hmm.

1222
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,080
How does this compare to that
movie 'cause that one shook out

1223
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,080
to an 8.75 on average.
I gave it the same score.

1224
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,080
I gave them both eights.
You gave that one a 9.5.

1225
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:18,200
So like, in retrospect, were you
too high on pirates?

1226
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,800
Are you too low on this movie?
And like, what's the difference

1227
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,160
between them?
Oh.

1228
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,840
That's a really good question, I
think.

1229
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,920
I think Pirates is a better
movie.

1230
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,319
Just like structurally I I think
that there's more going on in

1231
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:39,960
Pirates.
Maybe this is an 8 point?

1232
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,479
Five.
There you go.

1233
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,160
I think I talked myself into it
too.

1234
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,800
I'm changing it.
It's an 8.5.

1235
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,760
All right, 8.5.
There we go.

1236
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,120
I accidentally just typed in 85
into our Excel spreadsheet and

1237
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,319
the average score in this movie
was bananas.

1238
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,000
You are getting very high on
this movie.

1239
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,600
Slash the Green River.
Foolproof.

1240
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,320
All right, so that is it for us
today.

1241
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,440
It is an 8.5 on average.
I want to say thank you so much

1242
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,840
for choosing this as our
listener pick for the season.

1243
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,200
I really enjoyed it.
I haven't gone back and watched

1244
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:11,920
it I think since it came out,
Brad.

1245
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,920
So this was a really enjoyable
revisit for us.

1246
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,200
Yeah, 100%.
Man, that like this was a

1247
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:23,680
surprise breath of fresh air in
what I thought was going to be

1248
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,280
like the start of the end.
So big fan.

1249
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:31,760
All right, so next week, as I
said, 2012 Joss Whedon's The

1250
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,960
Avengers.
I'm really pumped.

1251
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,160
That's a good movie, and I
haven't watched it in a long

1252
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,480
time.
It might rekindle some hope in

1253
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:42,080
the MCU before I rewatch it all
go to hell again in

1254
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,480
chronological order.
But before you join us for that,

1255
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:48,720
you can reach out to us about
Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

1256
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,480
What do you think of this film?
Which is the best one in this

1257
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:53,120
trilogy?
Do you agree with me that it's

1258
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:57,080
the second one or am I crazy?
Let us know on all of our social

1259
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:02,600
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1260
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,360
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Or you can jump onto the

1261
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,720
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We are on there every single day

1262
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,520
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Film Whiskey podcast.

1263
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,840
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1264
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,280
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the end of every single one of

1265
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,560
our show notes.
Join us next week for The

1266
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,240
Avengers, but until then, I'm
Bob Buck.

1267
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,280
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.

1268
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,400
Holy shit this was good.
Oh my gosh, I was not.

1269
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,600
I knew you were.
Going to like it.

1270
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,520
I knew you're going to like it.
Dude, you know and you know, my

1271
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,240
palette is just like the whiskey
equivalent of a 5 year old.

1272
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,160
Like I just want a waffle with
Maple syrup on it.