Ran / Ezra Brooks 99

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In 1985, director Akira Kurosawa
and star Tatsua Nakadai gave the

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world a morose epic that
explores the chaotic nature of

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feudal succession plans.
In 2023, we make a return trip

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to Kentucky to try an expression
from one of our favorite brands.

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The film is Ron.
The whiskey is Ezra Brooks, 99,

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and more.
View them both.

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This is the Film and Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
Podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

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And this week, we are looking at
Akira Kurosawa's last

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masterpiece. 1985's Ron.
We kind of changed things up a

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little bit in terms of the order
that we had proposed for

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Kurosawa.
We were going in a roughly

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chronological order, but in
order to kind of group all of

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the, you know, sword, I don't
want to come sword and sandals,

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epics, because that's like Rome,
but you know, the swordsman,

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samurai type movies together.
And then group the more modern

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set films together.
We decided to throw it way

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forward to Ron.
Yeah, they all wear sandals in

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this so.
Sword and sandals Baby Sword and

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sandals.
Let's go.

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Brad, do you think, now that
you've seen Ron, and I don't

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want you to tip your hand too
much here in terms of what you

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thought of the movie, Do you
think that was a good decision?

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I think so.
I think it was really

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interesting to move through his
different eras of samurai films

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and to see, you know, his
different takes on what it meant

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to be a warrior in feudal Japan,
for sure, I think.

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I think there's a lot of lessons
you learn there.

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I'm also really impressed by and
again, I don't want to get too

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much into what we thought of the
quality of the movie.

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It's really interesting to jump
forward like 30 years because

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Kurosawa really did more than
most film makers adapt to the

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rhythms of more modern
filmmaking.

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I feel like like this movie is
is cut very differently than a

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movie from the 1950s would be
and it was cool to see like.

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You know, he's much older when
he makes this.

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He's 75 years old.
When this movie comes out, I

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think that he reminds me so much
of Scorsese in terms of, like

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the sheer kinetic energy and
pace and vibrancy that he still

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directs with as an older man.
And I thought it was really cool

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because this didn't feel like a
1950s movie that was just made

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in the 80s.
It felt like a movie that was

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from the modern era of
filmmaking.

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Yeah.
Honestly, for me it had really

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strong Braveheart vibes in terms
of like the coloring of the film

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and like just the palette.
It just had a really strong

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Braveheart vibe for me, where it
was all like hyperrealistic and

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I don't know, felt lived it.
It was.

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It's not like all washed out the
way you you start to see a lot

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of films get in the later 90s.
Like we kind of talked about

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that with Memento, that there's
like there's just a look of late

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90s, early 2000s films that I
think like Braveheart avoided

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and this avoided as well.
You know, honestly, one of the

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things that really stuck out to
me this time around with this

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film and Brad, I haven't watched
this since the first time I've

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seen it.
It's probably been 15 years, so

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this is only my second go round
with Ron.

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I think that in the era that
we're in where everything is

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computer generated and if you
need a massive army, you just

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use massive which is a software
that you know Peter Jackson and

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wed a digital created for Lord
of the Rings.

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Like we can make these things at
the drop of a hat now.

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And I know that even in 1985,
like the scope and scale and the

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way they use the extras in the
backgrounds of these of this

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movie was like astronomically
meticulous, right?

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Like it was just it was it was a
feat even then.

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But I feel like now, when we
talked about this a little bit

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last week, like there's just
such a tangible nature to when

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you can tell those are real
people 3 miles away on the Crest

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of the horses.
Yes, yeah, I was falling off the

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horses too.
But I'm thinking of like, you

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know, when at the end of the
movie, when they see the

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surrounding armies up on the
Ridge and they all file into the

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shot at the same time, and I'm
like, how did they direct this?

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Like, it's crazy and there's
just something.

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So much more impactful about
knowing that these are real

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human beings and that's a real
burning building and and vice,

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you know, and yada yada.
But like, then thinking, oh, OK,

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we could do all of this in post
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Yep, no, 100%.
There were a few shots,

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especially of the Army's on the
hills, you know, 3 miles behind

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the main characters in the
action.

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Where I'm like, that's just a
really cool shot to to have your

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characters in the foreground and
the characters so far off in the

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background that I'm like, you
don't see many movies replicate

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that even at that time, let
alone nowadays with all the CGI.

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I think this movie cost the
equivalent of like $11 million

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to make in 1985, and even then
Kurosawa had a like a hell of a

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time trying to scrape together
the budget for this movie.

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And I don't know exactly, I
didn't do the inflation

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calculation, but let's say that
that's 25 mil today.

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Like what he was able to pull
off in terms of what he was able

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to put on the screen for 25 mil
compared to these $300 million

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MCU movies that are all coming
out and starting to flop now.

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It's just like when you know how
to do craftsmanship, you can

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have an $11 million budget and
make something look this good.

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Yeah, yeah, the the movie is
beautiful.

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And I think he spent probably
about 3 or 4 million of that

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budget on the costumes for the
movie. 100% because the costumes

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are just flat out incredible.
Next level, man.

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I feel like we have already
jumped past, Brad explains.

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And we're just diving into what
we like about the movie.

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So let's take a step back here.
Let's go to our first segment,

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which we call.
Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and do your take with

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this little segment that we
call.

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the movie that he

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has just seen, often for the
first time.

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And it is for sure for the first
time today, because my boy was

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unfamiliar with Kurosawa before
the last few weeks.

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Brad, very much so I'm going to
turn this over to you in a

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second, but how's your Kurosawa,
you know, introduction going so

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far after three movies?
Oh no.

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Oh no.
You did not like the first

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movie, you really liked the
second movie and now you're back

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to meh.
And that tells me a lot.

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I think it sure does.
Man, yeah.

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Curtis Saw was just not working.
Incredible for me.

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I like I liked 7 Samurai, Yeah,
but I I wouldn't put it in like

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my top 50 movies.
Like it was solid.

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It was fun.
It was well directed, good

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story, good acting.
But you know, just just a movie

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I enjoyed.
Rash Man was not great.

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Didn't.
Didn't.

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I love that you're keeping this
bit going and every time you say

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it, I'm like, do I add the
context that Brad knows that

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it's actually pronounced rash
man or do I just let him let him

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pronounce it rash man and and
add nothing to that?

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I think you just leave it as is.
All right, cool, cool.

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And Ron, to to spoil my opinion
a little bit, was just messy.

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And I know that the word Ron
means chaos or rebellion in

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Japanese.
And so I I get that there's

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probably something to do with
the fact that the name of the

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movie is chaos, with how chaotic
the film is.

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But for me, it's chaotic in ways
that just don't add to the

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experience.
And so I yeah, it was fine, but

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we'll get into that more later.
Bob, this isn't, this isn't Brad

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explains Brad's opinion.
This is Brad explains, baby.

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Brad explains Baby, and it is
time for Baby to go ahead and

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give us 60 unadulterated,
uninterrupted seconds of

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spoilers about the plot of this
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So if you have not seen Ron and
you've just heard Brad's glowing

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review and would like to go
watch it.

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You can hit pause here, come
back after the fact because we

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are going to spoil every bit of
this movie.

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Brad, you have 60 seconds on the
clock and go go read King Lear.

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Anything to add or is that it?
Did I do it?

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You did it in.
It looks like 1.7 seconds nailed

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it.
Ron is a film about a warlord in

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feudal Japan who has a dream,
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that he needs to retire.
And so he hands down the Kingdom

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to his three sons, puts his
lead, his eldest son in charge,

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and everything just hits the
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The oldest son sucks, the
youngest son is honest but

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crappy and the middle son is
conniving and they team up to

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kill their dad and in the midst
of that, the second son kills

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the oldest son and takes the
oldest son's wife who is evil.

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Probably like like Nurse Ratchet
level performance of evil.

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Oh, very evil.
And the king goes mad instead of

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getting killed.
And the youngest son tries to

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rescue him, but gets killed in
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And there's betrayal galore.
And in true Shakespearean

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fashion, everyone dies.
Everybody, everybody dies.

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So, like, what's your Let's get
this out of the way, Bob.

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What's your favorite death?
My favorite death, I think the

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most impactful death is the
third son's death son row.

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Because you just, you think
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respite for this poor guy after
like going mad and almost dying

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in the wilderness and then it
like they just plunge the knife

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in and twisted at the end and
and like Kurosala doesn't even

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try to hide it.
It's literally the the old mad

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king finally gains his sanity.
He's on the back of the horse

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with his son and he literally
like leans over the son's

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shoulder and is like, I can't
wait to be alone with you and

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have a conversation about
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And then BAM, gets shot, falls
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Man, it's just brutal.
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I think most of the deaths in
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because.
They're all very unique, like

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people die in unique ways.
There's a there's a huge,

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excessive, cartoonish level of
blood involved in one of the

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deaths, which you just don't
think you're going to see.

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But it's like, man, arteries
hold a lot of blood, don't they?

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I I feel like people die in
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Would be a great like punk band
name.

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We should start doing a segment
called People Die in Unique

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Ways.
There's just one we haven't seen

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before.
We need to mention it on the

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show.
That's funny.

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All right, man.
So something else we need to get

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out of the way is the fact that
this is Kurosawa's third

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Shakespeare adaptation.
It's really cool.

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I love.
I just really love when

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directors take material from a
completely different culture and

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adapt it as faithfully as
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But.
Add the the color to it of their

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own culture and in Kurosawa's
case, like he had made a direct

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adaptation of Macbeth with
Throne of Blood.

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He also made a a loose
adaptation of Hamlet with a

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movie called The Bad Sleep Well
and he comes to, you know nearly

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the end of his career.
Here he had been reading a story

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from feudal Japan about this
warlord who had three sons and

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and kind of asked himself what
would have happened to this

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lineage if the sons were bad and
he started fleshing out the

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story.
And then, like, got, you know,

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part way into it and realized,
oh, I'm writing King Lear.

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And so that he just kind of
borrowed more from King.

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It's not a direct adaptation.
Like there's there's quite a bit

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of difference here.
And I'm going to be honest with

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you, Brad, King Lear was not one
of the Shakespeare adaptations

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that I was assigned in school.
And so my familiarity with it is

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like I I recognize passages from
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But I've never sat down and read
King Lear.

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And if that disqualifies me from
talking about it, that's fine.

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But it's just, you know, I know
Hamlet.

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I know Macbeth.
I don't know King Lear.

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Yeah, I think I knew enough
about King Lear to like, you

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know, the phrase mad King Lear.
And I remember hearing about him

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being crazy.
I think there's a part of me

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that mixes him up with is it
who's the king that's married to

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Jezebel in the Bible and he goes
crazy for a little bit.

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Yeah, yeah, eating like he's a
cow for some reason.

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That Bible story is like paired
with Mad King Lear in my head.

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I always mix him up with Richard
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Cuz Richard the Third is the one
that's like deformed with the

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hunchback and my Kingdom for a
horse.

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And I'm, I'm always thinking
that they're the same person.

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So yeah, like when I read that
this is not a direct adaptation

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of King Lear, I was like, oh, I
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So there you go.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of

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great quotes in this movie
where, like some of it is like

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really funny that there were
some moments in this film where

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like, I was like, oh, is, is
Chris all being funny here.

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Like some moments where I
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And then the like, there's
moments that are like profound

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and funny when you know he, the
Torah is who is King Lear,

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essentially he he's mad at this
point and he's like touching a

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castle wall and he just goes, I
am lost and the Jester goes such

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as the human condition and and
you're just kind of like, yeah,

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that's really profound and also
like kind of sad and also makes

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you laugh a little bit.
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So let's just go ahead and dive
in to reasons this movie didn't

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work for you.
Because I I mean, I do want to

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talk performances and stuff, but
if I'm being honest, I think

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that of the three movies we've
watched, this has the the least

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amount of.
What's the word, Brad?

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Like the performances here feel
very much like we need these

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people to say these lines and be
this way to make the movie work.

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But the actors don't really
stand out in any way to me,

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except for, you know, the King
Lear character, which is I think

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just an incredible performance.
But the rest of them are kind of

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like we're going to go visit
this, this clan now and this

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clan now.
And I don't know, like, I don't

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know that I have a lot to talk
about with the performances.

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So I'd kind of rather get your.
Your big gripes with the movie

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out of the way now, if that's
cool with you.

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Yeah, no, sure.
I mean, I I'll point out Mikko

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Herada as as Lady Katie that she
was, like, delightfully evil.

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Oh yeah, and like.
It's like one of those when you,

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when you see someone describe
something as like, deliciously

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evil, you know what I mean?
Like it's just wicked, I think.

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Then I think she's pronounced
Kaya Day.

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Is that how you say?
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I don't know.
She's great, man.

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And that that final reveal where
she's like.

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Oh yeah, I have been scheming to
take down your whole family.

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It's like the whole time.
And then the general just like

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just rips his sword through her
and it's like just barely off

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screen.
But you just see the blood fly

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everywhere.
Yeah, he was probably my

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favorite, like vassal, if you
will, because like

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interestingly, a lot of the
vassals kind of play a big role

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in this film and how they are
scheming as well.

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I think of the, you know, you
you wanted me to start with the

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bad stuff, Bob, because you're a
negative person.

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I'll start with the good stuff.
I really liked all of the

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vassals and how Kurosawa like
didn't include them on screen a

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lot.
But he gave the impact of their

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actions a lot of credit and it
kind of shows you how like in

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this world it feels fully
fleshed out and it feels lived

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in.
Like all of these secondary

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lieutenants of the you know the
the warlords have lives of their

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own have plans of their own or
scheming and back fighting and

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bickering.
And and I I really liked how he

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constructed this world and and
put it all together.

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You know, I think that before
you dive into your list of of

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qualms with the movie, I agree
with you and I think that one of

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the things I really loved about
it, and this is Shakespeare,

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but.
The character of the Jester who

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is the most sane person in the
whole movie.

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Like, it's a trope of like the
fool who is actually able to see

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through all the BS.
But he extends that Kurosawa

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does to all of the people who
are not in positions of power.

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And we've, I think I talked
about this last week, I've been

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surprised at how much poverty is
a key fixture in Kurosawa's

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movies.
And just like, not even poverty,

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but like people who are in
destitute positions and what

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that does to their psyche and
blah blah blah.

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But in this movie, he extends
that sort of wisdom to them And

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everyone who is actually a
servant is the one saying,

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really saying things and trying
to convince their masters to not

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be idiots.
And it goes to show a like, how

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inept these sons are at what
they're doing.

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Because the one general is like,
dude, this woman wants to kill

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you and this is not going to end
well.

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And he's like, yeah, but I like
sex, you know?

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And and then you've got, you
know, the jester who's talking

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to the King Lear character.
I just really love that it

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demonstrates, especially with
the sons I kept thinking of like

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trust fund babies.
You know, like these guys that

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take over these massive
businesses and think that they

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know how to run a business.
And every decision they make is

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just like, you know, it's funny,
I watched this movie and then

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checked Twitter afterwards.
And it was the day that that

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Elon had changed the logo of
Twitter and like.

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Had this fiasco of trying to put
the new sign on the building and

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stuff, and it was just really
funny to be.

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Because it's like the stuff that
people in positions like this

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get fixated on is very rarely
the stuff that actually like

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makes or breaks the success of
an entity or a business.

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And it's the same thing in a
movie like this.

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Like they get so blinded by
their rage or their jealousy or

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their lust that they will not
listen to sound reason even when

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it's like hey.
If you do this, we will all die.

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And he's like that.
We're going to die, I guess.

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Yeah, yeah.
And that dude at the end of the

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like, because the general, I
think his name is like Kurigani,

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who tells him, hey, a warlord
doesn't go running to his woman

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when she calls.
And then later, he brings in the

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fox head and like, gives this
entire, like, mythic tale about

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this evil fox that destroys all
these different leaders.

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And then at the end of the film,
he just looks at, I believe it's

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Jiro, the second son, and says
we're about to die.

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My Lord, prepare to die and just
runs off with this brave look of

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determination in his face.
I'm just like, man, this dude's

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this dude's epic.
He's so cool, but also the

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satisfaction of having cut off
that woman's head, you know?

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Yeah, he's like, I'll go die now
because I did what I needed to

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do.
Yeah, man.

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All right, man.
Let's, let's do it.

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Let's dive into what didn't
work, because I'm going to be

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honest, I was blown away by this
movie and I would like to talk

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about more good things in the
back half of the episode.

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So let's dump the negative here
and then and then drink a bunch.

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You know, that sounds good to
me.

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So I think the issues I had with
this film were a it's about 45

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minutes too long.
Like, this could be an hour and

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50 minute film, but it's like
242.

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I think it's 235.
And like, usually when a movie's

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too long, we're like, yeah, you
could have chopped off 10 or 15

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minutes.
No, this movie could have had 45

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minutes chopped off and it would
have been great.

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I think that a lot of the scenes
just linger too long.

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The The movie vacillates between
The Desolation of Madness and

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the frantic chaos of war just
way too much and it sticks with

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each one too long.
The war scenes go on way too

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long and the The Madness
Desolation scenes go on way too

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long.
All of them could have been

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shortened by one to two minutes
and all of a sudden you have

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like a 40 minute less movie
would have been much better.

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Before we watch the movie or
before you watch the movie, I

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had just finished it and I
texted you, I think the first

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hour.
Is like if taken as a whole,

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just the first hour is pretty
much pitch perfect because it

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leads up to that initial raid on
his castle.

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I think the last hour is pretty
much pitch perfect because it

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really is this sort of
inevitable tragic downfall.

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And then there's this stretch in
the middle for like 40 minutes

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where even I, Brad like I think
I texted you they could have cut

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twenty of these 40 minutes out.
It's when he's like way off in

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the in the wilderness and he
meets.

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The young Prince that he
overthrew his his father's

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Kingdom and blinded him and I
just could not care less.

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And honestly that character
comes back in a pretty profound

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way at the end of the movie.
So you need to have that

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character introduced for some
reason.

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But like, I think they could
have done it in a way that

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didn't take 10 minutes of screen
time, you know?

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Yeah, exactly.
And and honestly, like I watched

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this movie in two sittings.
I watched about 35 to 40 minutes

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and I I was super tired and I
had to go to bed.

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But I kept looking at the time.
I was like I have to have less

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than two hours left.
Like I got to make it to 3540

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minutes and then I watched the
last two hours and I I just

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think that when I look at the
time left and I go, I've only

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watched an hour of this movie.
I have an hour and 40 minutes

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left.
Oh man, we're in for it like

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that.
Like those were the thoughts

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going through my head.
So cut a lot out.

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There you go, the second, the
second thing, and, and I think

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this is my main frustration with
the movie, is that the the

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action scenes just suck.
Oh dude, I I will disagree

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strongly.
So bad.

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I mean, so make your point.
But I will disagree strongly.

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So here's the thing once again,
I like I understand that the

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name of this movie is chaos but
every single action scene

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there's about 5:00 in the movie,
every single one.

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The winner is predetermined.
Like like there's no there's no

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true sense that the losing side
could have won in every single

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battle.
It it reuses the exact same

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shots, like two to three times
throughout the battle and every

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single battle.
There's not any actual fighting.

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Like, like, nobody actually
really fights in the movie.

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You just see the winning side
have horses running really fast

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and infantry running in really
fast, carrying gorgeous,

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beautiful banners.
But they're just like sprinting

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into the castle and shooting
guns in random directions.

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And you don't see Handtohand
combat at the end of the film

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when you know they're having the
final battle.

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Like the bad guys are running in
and there's just random musket

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men sitting in the field firing
as if they have machine guns and

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like, just rapid fire thousands
of guns firing over and over and

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over again.
And then you get the exact same

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shot of men falling off their
horses like 3 separate times in

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a 5 minute span.
You get the exact same shot of

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musket men firing, you know,
just endlessly firing these

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muskets that each take a solid 2
to 3 minutes to reload.

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And yet somehow they just fire,
fire, fire, fire, fire.

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I like and there's no actual
fighting.

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Like even when they're in the
keeps, he just shows these like

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musket men pop up in the
stairwell, shoot guns and then

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disappear.
And then it's like 3 minutes of

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arrows clattering against the
wall and random explosions.

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And I'm like, I want to see a
samurai movie, Bob.

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I want to see a bunch of cool
samurai using their swords and

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fighting and killing and getting
killed.

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And it was just hectic and felt
unrehearsed.

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And I did not like the action at
all.

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And if I'm going to watch a 2
1/2 hour samurai medieval war

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epic, I want to enjoy the four
to five big set pieces.

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And they all just felt like
repeats of the last one.

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Okay.
So for 75% of what you were

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saying, I was like, oh, I think
I'm going to have a rebuttal,

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but I will give you credit.
I actually don't think I have

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anything to argue against you in
terms of like, I'm not going to

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change your mind because it just
sounds like fundamentally what

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the movie was about is
unsatisfying to you in a way.

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Like in terms of, I think the
function of every battle in this

443
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,520
movie is just to illustrate the
downfall of the House of

444
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,280
Ichimanji, right?
Like it's it's a tragedy.

445
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,960
And so, of course, the losing
side is going to be overwhelmed.

446
00:26:21,570 --> 00:26:24,650
And just you're you're basically
watching people get butchered

447
00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:27,490
over and over and over.
And so that's the thing you you

448
00:26:27,490 --> 00:26:29,330
don't actually get to see them
get butchered.

449
00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:30,610
Oh, I think you do.
I think you do.

450
00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:33,770
For the only one Where they
really cut away is at the very

451
00:26:33,770 --> 00:26:37,730
end of the movie when Giro's
house is falling and they don't

452
00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:39,970
show you, everyone die there.
But you're kind of like, well,

453
00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:43,130
we know what's going to happen.
But yeah, I mean, you know, you

454
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:46,650
just kind of mentioned that they
show this repeated shot of,

455
00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:49,130
like, the soldiers falling off
their horses as they're getting

456
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:51,290
slaughtered.
And I think that underscores.

457
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:55,230
The sheer volume of men that are
being lost, you know, like so.

458
00:26:55,550 --> 00:26:57,110
And again, I'm not trying to
argue with you.

459
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:59,350
I think you actually make a
really good point in terms of

460
00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:02,510
what your expectations were and
what you got in return.

461
00:27:03,310 --> 00:27:05,350
And that's why I don't think
that anything I could say to

462
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:08,670
defend the battles is going to
satisfy you, because you just, I

463
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:11,990
think you just fundamentally
wanted a different kind of movie

464
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:16,270
in that regard.
See, I I I think that it would

465
00:27:16,270 --> 00:27:20,390
have worked for me if he did a
good job filming the scenes.

466
00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:24,650
I like.
I I am saying if I need to be

467
00:27:24,650 --> 00:27:27,410
more blunt, I don't think it's
anything to do with my

468
00:27:27,410 --> 00:27:30,850
expectations.
I think Kurosawa did a bad job

469
00:27:31,410 --> 00:27:34,490
filming the action sequences.
I think he could have done a

470
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:36,170
better job.
I yeah, I mean, I disagree with

471
00:27:36,170 --> 00:27:37,690
that like strongly.
It is funny.

472
00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:40,370
I feel like sometimes I try to
give you credit and be like,

473
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:41,530
yeah, you made a really good
point.

474
00:27:41,530 --> 00:27:44,890
And then you're like, let me
also be condescending towards

475
00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:47,530
you, Bob, while I'm making my
point and you're agreeing with

476
00:27:47,530 --> 00:27:50,060
me.
Oh, no, I I'm just trying to

477
00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:53,940
make it clear that I feel like
you're misunderstanding what

478
00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:56,860
what I'm trying to say.
OK, Yeah.

479
00:27:56,860 --> 00:28:00,500
I don't, I don't know.
Like, I think that honestly I

480
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:03,700
thought we might find a point of
commonality in the fact that

481
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:08,900
like, I think this is a better
filmed movie than Seven Samurai

482
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:12,100
in terms of, even in terms of
like establishing the geography

483
00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:15,540
of each scene.
You know Kurosawa spent 10

484
00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:18,740
years.
Storyboarding every shot in this

485
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:21,340
movie so that it's like exactly
what he wanted it to be.

486
00:28:21,740 --> 00:28:25,260
And I think that even in the
midst of really chaotic battles,

487
00:28:25,340 --> 00:28:28,380
to get back to your point about
the costumes before, one of the

488
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:31,940
great things about this film is
that every part of this clan is

489
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:35,580
color-coded, so you always know
who's fighting against who.

490
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:39,020
And then in the last sequence,
where it's just complete chaos,

491
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,740
it's like all three clans
fighting against, you know, all

492
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:43,940
three of the brothers clans
fighting against each other.

493
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:50,400
And then two opposing families
behind them on the hills and you

494
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,320
always know which of these five
groups of the warriors are

495
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,320
charging in.
And I think that they do a great

496
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,560
job establishing the geography
of these crazy open plains.

497
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,240
And you know surrounded by
forest, the inside of the

498
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,440
castles, you know exactly like
you know you keep calling them

499
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,360
the keeps.
Like I think I always was very

500
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,270
aware of who was rating who and.
Where they were as they

501
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:18,510
retreated and how much room they
had left before it was just

502
00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:20,870
done, you know?
And I think from that

503
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:24,150
perspective, he did an amazing
job with those scenes.

504
00:29:24,510 --> 00:29:27,030
I just think they didn't work
for you because, like to your

505
00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:31,190
point, there's not a lot of
combat like Handtohand combat.

506
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:35,070
It's more just like you're
watching dudes get overrun and

507
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:40,510
they do go on for a long time.
Yeah, no, I yes, those those

508
00:29:40,510 --> 00:29:43,030
statements are true.
I I think it I laughed a little

509
00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:46,270
bit when you said that the
geography was clear because that

510
00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:50,510
like in certain elements, sure
that like he cuts from the upper

511
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:54,710
rooms of the keep where the the
personal guard are getting ready

512
00:29:54,710 --> 00:30:00,710
to to die and the outer parts.
But like in the actual battles

513
00:30:00,710 --> 00:30:05,350
themselves, like I'm thinking of
The Last Battle, the geography

514
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:08,630
is just completely muddled in
the midst of the action.

515
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:13,180
Like most of the shots are just
of horses, legs and then people

516
00:30:13,180 --> 00:30:17,820
falling out of nowhere and then
just a generic shot of them in

517
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:18,780
the woods.
And.

518
00:30:18,780 --> 00:30:23,340
And I kept thinking to myself,
like, man, how did Mel Gibson do

519
00:30:23,340 --> 00:30:26,660
such a better job with
Braveheart, then legendary

520
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:31,460
director Akira Kurosawa?
Like, I just, I just kept

521
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:35,300
thinking to myself, man, there's
so many movies that do this

522
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:36,900
better.
Huh.

523
00:30:37,940 --> 00:30:40,990
Yeah, And I.
I profoundly disagree, but

524
00:30:41,550 --> 00:30:44,110
that's why we're here, man.
We've gone for 1/2 hour at this

525
00:30:44,110 --> 00:30:45,910
point.
Let's hit pause here.

526
00:30:46,150 --> 00:30:49,510
Let's drink this Ezra Brooks, 99
proof bourbon, and then we'll

527
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:51,630
come back and talk about things
that we liked about the movie.

528
00:30:51,630 --> 00:30:53,670
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

529
00:31:00,150 --> 00:31:01,750
All right.
So today we are checking out

530
00:31:01,790 --> 00:31:06,370
Ezra Brooks 99 Proof Bourbon.
We've done Ezra Brooks on the

531
00:31:06,370 --> 00:31:08,490
show before.
Just your standard, I think 80

532
00:31:08,490 --> 00:31:11,370
proof Ezra Brooks.
This is a whiskey that is

533
00:31:11,370 --> 00:31:15,130
produced by Lux Row Distillers
in Bardstown, KY.

534
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:18,090
I say produced because it's not
actually distilled there, or at

535
00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:19,930
least it wasn't until very
recently.

536
00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:22,530
I think they might be laying
down their own distillate for

537
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:26,090
this product now, but Lux Row
for a long time, you know it's

538
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:28,210
owned by this big conglomerate
called Lux Go.

539
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:31,330
They sourced their whiskey and
they release it under their own

540
00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:34,360
labels.
So our favorite bourbon of all

541
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,480
time on this podcast in terms of
brands is Rebel.

542
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,640
They make Rebel and that is
their weeded bourbon brand.

543
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,000
They also make Ezra Brooks,
which is their more wry Forward

544
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,120
brand.
And so we liked Ezra Brooks, but

545
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,600
we haven't gone back and tried
it again.

546
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,040
Everything that they make that
is like a rebel product, like

547
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,520
distillers collection and Barrel
Proof, they make that in an Ezra

548
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,200
Brooks variety as well.
So we're finally kind of dipping

549
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,880
our toe back in with Ezra
Brooks, 99.

550
00:32:01,350 --> 00:32:06,670
This is a non age stated bourbon
composed of 78% corn, 10% rye

551
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:10,270
and 12% malted barley.
Brad, I don't really think

552
00:32:10,270 --> 00:32:12,870
there's that much more to say.
You know, we've we know what

553
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:16,230
we're getting here.
Yeah, yeah, this is you know and

554
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:19,950
I'll I'll just say this from the
start, this is a $22.00 whiskey

555
00:32:20,150 --> 00:32:23,990
in the state of Ohio.
And I I think that for what

556
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:27,430
we're getting here, I, I, I, I'm
a fan of Luxco.

557
00:32:27,550 --> 00:32:28,990
I think they put out some good
products.

558
00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:32,270
If you're trying to not spend
more than $25 on a bottle of

559
00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:35,870
whiskey, you could do a hell of
a lot worse than Ezra Brooks or

560
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:37,350
Rebel.
Yeah.

561
00:32:37,510 --> 00:32:38,150
Yeah.
And that's.

562
00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:39,830
I'll just take a moment to say
it.

563
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:46,550
The whiskey world is insane.
We need people like Luxco who

564
00:32:46,550 --> 00:32:51,350
sure, it's a giant conglomerate,
but hey, they're willing to make

565
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:54,110
a budget priced whiskey that is
good to pour.

566
00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:56,910
And so I like I'm down with
that.

567
00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:58,870
I don't care how big your
company is or little your

568
00:32:58,870 --> 00:33:01,910
company is, if you're making a
quality product at A at a

569
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:05,910
affordable price, like you know
I'm down with that, I'm down

570
00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:08,550
with the the little man.
I don't have too much more to

571
00:33:08,550 --> 00:33:11,590
say before we dive in here, but
there is one point I want to

572
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:14,750
make which is among bourbon
Bros.

573
00:33:15,150 --> 00:33:17,710
And if you are in the world of
bourbon at all, you know what I

574
00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:21,470
mean by bourbon, bro.
There's this expectation that

575
00:33:21,550 --> 00:33:25,110
noobs really like weeded a
bourbon because it's easier to

576
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,810
get into.
But then you get like harsher

577
00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,250
and harsher with your bourbons,
and you you tend towards high

578
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:35,650
rye bourbons if you're a real
bourbon drinker, and I have

579
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:37,450
found that to not be true in my
case.

580
00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:39,730
I think the more bourbon I
drink, the more I really do

581
00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:41,370
gravitate towards weeded
bourbons.

582
00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:46,170
I just really like a really
sweet profile and that tends to

583
00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:49,170
be weeded bourbons for me.
So I've never gravitated towards

584
00:33:49,170 --> 00:33:52,890
Ezra Brooks over Rebels because
this is a little bit more wry

585
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:55,150
forward.
And I just want to say, you

586
00:33:55,150 --> 00:33:58,350
know, in response to the bourbon
Bros, drink what you want.

587
00:33:58,710 --> 00:34:02,510
Like Brad, you and I have had
approaching 500 different

588
00:34:02,510 --> 00:34:06,550
whiskeys on this podcast.
And if if my palate is not good

589
00:34:06,550 --> 00:34:08,989
enough for the bourbon Bros,
because I still prefer weeded

590
00:34:08,989 --> 00:34:12,110
bourbon, then I don't want to be
a bourbon bro, you know?

591
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:15,989
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I never wanted to be a

592
00:34:15,989 --> 00:34:18,830
bourbon, bro.
Well, on that note, Brad, let's

593
00:34:18,830 --> 00:34:21,510
go ahead and jump right in here.
What are you picking up on the

594
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:24,400
nose?
Yeah, the nose for me is like a

595
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:30,719
nice soft sweet corn.
It has a a really sweet vanilla

596
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,400
note going on.
There's a little bit of peanut

597
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:41,320
butteriness that comes through
and the rye, just a hint of rye

598
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,360
comes through.
Not a ton, just a little bit.

599
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Enough to let you know that it's
there, but not enough to

600
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,159
overwhelm you.
I think I'd give it like a seven

601
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,870
out of 10 on the nose.
I'm going to give it an 8.

602
00:34:52,909 --> 00:34:56,230
This is surprisingly not rye
forward.

603
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:58,350
This almost smells like a weeded
bourbon.

604
00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:00,670
You could almost trick me into
thinking it was a weeded bourbon

605
00:35:00,670 --> 00:35:03,550
in terms of how soft and how
sweet the nose is.

606
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:07,070
There's actually less rye in
here than there is barley, so

607
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:10,550
it's not like it's a super high
rye mash bill or anything.

608
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:13,470
But I'm with you man.
I think there's there's a little

609
00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:16,430
bit of brown sugar, a little bit
of Maple, Not not a lot.

610
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:18,390
It tips a little bit more
vanilla.

611
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,600
So then there's a there's a
really sweet fruit going on

612
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,520
here, and it's almost like a a
really ripe, juicy Peach for me.

613
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,440
And I didn't expect to get that
on this nose.

614
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,480
You're right in that the rye
comes through right at the very

615
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,800
end and it almost mingles with
the ethanol.

616
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,120
So like, right when you start to
feel the alcohol in your

617
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,320
nostrils, you also smell the rye
a little bit, but it's kind of

618
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,520
like just a little wisp at the
very end.

619
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,360
I love this, man.
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

620
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,980
10, yeah.
And when I got into the pallet,

621
00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:50,420
I think that the sweetness
continues on in like.

622
00:35:50,420 --> 00:35:52,380
And for me it almost turns into
that.

623
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:54,900
You know, we we talk about this
with weeded bourbons.

624
00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:59,300
It turns into like that cocacola
effervescents there.

625
00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,340
Like there's this bubbly nature
to it that I'm just really

626
00:36:02,340 --> 00:36:05,700
impressed with.
I think that that that cola

627
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:09,740
sweetness comes through.
There's the peanuts stay in

628
00:36:09,740 --> 00:36:14,380
there for me, and really it's
the vanilla that that sucks me

629
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:16,340
into this.
I don't know if there's very

630
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:20,980
many whiskeys that genuinely
feature vanilla as like the

631
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:24,220
prominent note, but for me,
that's what I'm getting here.

632
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:26,940
I I like the palette a lot and
I'm going to give it an 8 out of

633
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:28,340
10 there.
I do too.

634
00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:31,500
The only thing I'd push back on
is that I don't think this is

635
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,140
actually that sweet, but it's
almost like if you could bottle

636
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:39,420
up essence of Coke Coca-Cola.
I don't say essence of Coke,

637
00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:42,970
Essence of Coca-Cola.
Oh, de Coca-Cola.

638
00:36:43,770 --> 00:36:46,650
It's like you took the sugar out
of it, but like all of the rest

639
00:36:46,650 --> 00:36:49,490
of that effervescence and some
of those, like, spice notes are

640
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:53,410
still there and it mingles with
a really dusty oak for me.

641
00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:54,970
Like there's some sawdust on
this.

642
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:57,850
There's a little bit of floral
on this as well.

643
00:36:58,210 --> 00:37:01,450
I really, really like this man.
It is going in a completely

644
00:37:01,450 --> 00:37:03,410
different direction than I
expected it to go.

645
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:07,720
I'm going to give it an 8.5,
yeah and and for the finish.

646
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:11,400
I think this is where the the
price point starts to come in a

647
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,160
little bit for me.
It's sours just a bit throughout

648
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,560
the finish.
It's heavily okie for me and you

649
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,920
get a little bit of spiciness,
but but not enough to make it

650
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,600
stand out.
I think the finish is the only

651
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,240
place that I'm a little bit
disappointed, not too much.

652
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,120
I'll give it a 6 1/2 out of 10
here.

653
00:37:30,530 --> 00:37:32,770
I do think the oak is what stays
behind, like right when you

654
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:35,690
swallow, it's this nice little
punch of kind of like that

655
00:37:35,690 --> 00:37:39,130
cocacola effervescence again.
And then after about 10 seconds

656
00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:42,410
or so, it does kind of just
settle into toasted oak or

657
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:46,170
charred oak, I guess is what I
would say here and it's fine.

658
00:37:46,490 --> 00:37:48,890
I think my big gripe with it is
that it's not a very long

659
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:51,810
lasting finish.
It fades pretty quickly and

660
00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:55,210
that's where I would say that
the price is, is kind of playing

661
00:37:55,210 --> 00:37:58,800
into it a little bit.
I'm going to give it a 7.5.

662
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,600
I don't dislike this finish at
all.

663
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,840
I just wish that it had a little
more complexity or even like

664
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,240
viscosity to it to stay behind a
little bit.

665
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,160
But but still pretty good.
And that takes me to balance

666
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,560
where I think especially
considering the price, you know,

667
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,520
like I know we say we want to
divorce ourselves from the price

668
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,840
until we get to that category,
but like I don't know very many

669
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,440
$22.00 whiskeys that are this
well balanced.

670
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,860
Brad.
Like even at the worst of it, it

671
00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:31,020
was a 7 1/2 for me.
So while I think there is like a

672
00:38:31,020 --> 00:38:34,380
little bit of a fall off here,
it's still pretty darn good.

673
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:38,060
I'm going to give it an 8.5.
On balance, Yeah, that that's

674
00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:40,020
pretty high.
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on

675
00:38:40,020 --> 00:38:43,100
balance.
I think that it it marries the

676
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:46,300
simplistic flavors it has
really, really well.

677
00:38:46,820 --> 00:38:49,620
There's just not a lot of
complexity here.

678
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:52,700
There's some good flavors.
They work well together.

679
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:55,630
It tails off at the finish and
sours a little bit.

680
00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:58,270
So yeah, solid seven out of 10
score.

681
00:38:59,270 --> 00:39:02,150
We already said that this is
$22.00 in the beautiful state of

682
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:05,590
Ohio, Bob, I think that's like
an 8 out of 10 value.

683
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:08,870
Like it's it's not the best
value in the world.

684
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:13,430
But I could see myself wanting a
bottle of this on my shelf to

685
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:15,950
just to pour like at any at any
time.

686
00:39:15,950 --> 00:39:17,510
I'm like, oh, this is a nice
quality sipper.

687
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:22,640
And I'll say this like Bob gave
me probably like 375 like half a

688
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,040
bottle of this and I've kept it
on my desk for a long time as my

689
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,840
warm up whiskey.
That like if I just need 1/4 of

690
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,800
an ounce of whiskey to get my
palate started and I don't want

691
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,920
something that's 80 proof and
you know, not enough to to get

692
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,280
things moving when we're
drinking, you know, 120 plus

693
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,440
proof bear like this 99 proof.
It's got some decent flavor,

694
00:39:46,980 --> 00:39:49,420
lets you know that it's there,
but it's not overpowering.

695
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:51,380
It doesn't mess with what I'm
going to drink next.

696
00:39:51,860 --> 00:39:54,180
Ezra Bricks 99 is a really solid
pick there.

697
00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:57,820
Yeah, I totally agree.
And I think, you know, I don't

698
00:39:57,820 --> 00:39:59,860
know, I don't know what
percentage of our audience is

699
00:39:59,860 --> 00:40:02,260
really like into having a warm
up whiskey.

700
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:04,780
Like I feel like that's very
much a problem only for people

701
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:07,140
like you and me.
But I think there is something

702
00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:12,260
to be said of having a like a
higher rye bourbon especially.

703
00:40:12,590 --> 00:40:15,670
For an issue like that, like it
really does get your palate

704
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:18,750
acclimated really well, I think
this would go really well as a

705
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:21,350
mixer.
Like it's a it's a great whiskey

706
00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:24,910
and Coke mixer because there's
so much that Cocacola in there

707
00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:26,670
already, but it does stand up
neat.

708
00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:29,270
It stands up on the rocks.
I think this is a really good

709
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:30,830
value man.
I'm going to go ahead and give

710
00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:35,710
it an 8.5 again, and that takes
me to a 41 out of 50.

711
00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:36,910
Brad, what are you coming out
to?

712
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:41,050
Yeah, a few points lower.
I'm at a 37 out of 50, all

713
00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:43,250
right?
So that takes us to a 78 out of

714
00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:48,050
100 or 39 out of 50 on average.
Yeah, I think I would have

715
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:51,850
expected this to be in the 35
range, just barely recommend.

716
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:55,890
But as we drink it, I'm like,
yeah, this is like a solid, you

717
00:40:55,890 --> 00:41:00,810
know, for me, 3738 out of 50,
like, you know, if this was a

718
00:41:00,810 --> 00:41:07,130
$30 bottle of whiskey, $35, I
think it would be like a 32 to

719
00:41:07,130 --> 00:41:10,260
35 out of 50.
But hey, here we are.

720
00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:12,060
Man.
It's a cheap bottle of whiskey

721
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:16,060
that has solid legs to stand on.
So go buy yourself a bottle of

722
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:19,340
Ezra Brooks.
It will not cost you much or set

723
00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:21,460
you back almost at all.
All right, man.

724
00:41:21,460 --> 00:41:25,660
Well, from the heights of Ezra
Brooks, 99 to the Depths of Ron,

725
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:28,700
let's let's get back to talking
about the movie.

726
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:30,820
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

727
00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:37,790
Alright everybody, that was Ezra
Brooks, 99.

728
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:42,910
A bargain by If I have ever seen
1 Robert, you know I love a good

729
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:46,310
bargain, Brad.
I know you do, except for you

730
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:49,870
drive a hard bargain when it
comes to our next segments.

731
00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:51,870
Brad.
I see what you did there.

732
00:41:52,430 --> 00:41:54,150
It's called 2 facts in a
falsehood.

733
00:41:54,190 --> 00:42:01,030
Brad is gonna try to stumpy ball
to alright and what is wrong?

734
00:42:02,660 --> 00:42:06,020
2 Facts and a Falsehood 2 Facts
and A Falsehood is the part of

735
00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:10,140
the podcast where Brad presents
three items to me as fact about

736
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:13,540
the making of this movie, one of
which he has completely made-up

737
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:16,660
Brad.
I have done a modicum of

738
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:20,300
research into this movie this
week, so I feel more prepared

739
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:23,220
than I have the past two weeks.
Which is good because those were

740
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:26,170
catastrophic failures for me.
Yeah, they sure were.

741
00:42:26,170 --> 00:42:29,450
And I have to ask, you know,
after promising film and Whiskey

742
00:42:29,450 --> 00:42:32,930
Nation, our loyal listeners, for
multiple weeks now, that you

743
00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:36,130
would look up the score, how's,
how's that going?

744
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:38,330
You know, it's amazing.
I looked back at it and I'm

745
00:42:38,330 --> 00:42:40,210
actually 17 and oh.
Wow.

746
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:43,370
Yeah, it's incredible.
That's I had just, I had just

747
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:45,370
miscounted.
I forgot to carry the one you

748
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:47,850
know.
Yeah, I totally understand that

749
00:42:47,850 --> 00:42:50,350
you're.
Your brains doing math like your

750
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:52,910
Abbott and Costello, Bob.
That's very true, Brad.

751
00:42:53,590 --> 00:42:56,670
Well, maybe you can break my hot
streak this week, but we'll see

752
00:42:56,670 --> 00:42:58,910
about that.
Hit me with your two facts and a

753
00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:01,950
falsehood.
Fact number one for this film,

754
00:43:02,110 --> 00:43:06,470
Asikazu Nakai became the oldest
person to receive an Oscar

755
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:10,870
nomination for Best
Cinematography at age 84.

756
00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:14,310
Record was previously held by
Ernest Laszlo, who was nominated

757
00:43:14,310 --> 00:43:19,730
for Logan's Run at age 78, OK.
Fact #2.

758
00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:22,010
Despite horrific weather that
plagued the shooting of this

759
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:25,730
film and an $11 million budget,
the largest for a Japanese film

760
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:29,770
at the time, Cursa was still
able to complete filming 2 weeks

761
00:43:29,770 --> 00:43:32,450
under schedule, with the actor
saying he pushed them at a

762
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:34,450
furious pace throughout the
production.

763
00:43:36,130 --> 00:43:38,290
Fact #3.
The castle destroyed in the

764
00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:41,050
middle of the movie was
specially constructed on the

765
00:43:41,050 --> 00:43:44,890
slopes of Mount Fuji for the
film and then burned completely

766
00:43:44,890 --> 00:43:47,520
to the ground.
No miniatures were used for that

767
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,840
segment, although an optical of
another castle being burned at

768
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,840
the end was used.
Interesting.

769
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,120
Well done again, Sir.
I'm nailing it, man.

770
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,960
We need to do more foreign
films, Yeah.

771
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,160
So I know this movie was
nominated for Best

772
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,160
cinematography.
I don't know anything about the

773
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,160
age of the cinematographer at
the time.

774
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,440
You know, I've really got to
start doing my project where I

775
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,400
map out everyone's family tree
that was involved in every movie

776
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,530
we've ever done.
That's where we press record.

777
00:44:15,730 --> 00:44:17,450
You sure do.
It really is my fault.

778
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:22,250
When you think about it, #3
sounds pretty true as well.

779
00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:24,330
I mean, they all sound really
true.

780
00:44:24,330 --> 00:44:27,090
I'm just going to go ahead and
say, knowing that I'm probably

781
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:31,290
wrong, #2 is the falsehood, just
because that sounds like the

782
00:44:31,290 --> 00:44:36,130
most general fact of what you
shared and the other one seemed

783
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:38,930
really specific.
SO2 stands out to me.

784
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:40,410
I'm going to say Two's the
falsehood.

785
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Bob, you are 100% correct.
Number two was the falsehood, 18

786
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,720
and oh, baby. 18 And oh, look at
you go suck it Tom Brady and the

787
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,360
Patriots.
You couldn't get it done.

788
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,040
But I could.
Oh man.

789
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,720
I was actually rooting for Tom
in that game quite, quite

790
00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,680
heavily.
That was the only time in my

791
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,040
life that I have ever rooted for
Tom Brady.

792
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,160
Well, that's not true.
I've only time in my life I've

793
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,090
ever rooted for the Patriots.
Yeah, like I wanted to see

794
00:45:11,090 --> 00:45:13,290
history that night, you know?
Exactly that.

795
00:45:13,290 --> 00:45:15,970
That's what I'm saying, man.
I think it's the one time we

796
00:45:15,970 --> 00:45:18,210
root for them.
That, Yeah, exactly.

797
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:22,690
Well, I mean, if we want to get
into my whole football history,

798
00:45:22,690 --> 00:45:24,290
we can.
But I've actually always kind of

799
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:27,530
liked Brady and the Patriots.
They never bothered me too much.

800
00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:31,090
I just think that the energy of
our brownsness really affected

801
00:45:31,090 --> 00:45:35,010
them, like we brought our losing
ways to their team for one night

802
00:45:35,010 --> 00:45:37,570
and they were like, don't put
that on us, Ricky Bobby.

803
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,840
Help me, Tom Cruise.
All right, man, let's let's get

804
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,680
back into talking about Ron.
And we left off by saying we're

805
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,080
closing the movie on.
Oh yeah, we're closing the book

806
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,560
on our gripes.
We want to talk about things we

807
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,200
liked about the movie.
So, Brad, I will turn it over to

808
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,040
you, man, who hates combat
scenes?

809
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,400
What did you like about these,
these specific combat scenes?

810
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,600
What did work for you about this
movie?

811
00:46:05,590 --> 00:46:07,750
Honestly, I I really liked the
acting.

812
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:09,990
You know we we talked about it
in the first half.

813
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:13,470
I think that overall everybody
does a really solid job.

814
00:46:13,470 --> 00:46:17,270
I don't know if anybody turns in
like a all time performance or

815
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:21,910
anything, but the all of the the
vassals, the lieutenants are

816
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:24,830
really great.
I think that the three sons all

817
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:28,150
do a really great job
respectively, except for Taro.

818
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:31,320
Taro's kind of boring.
Which, you know, maybe that was

819
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,560
his character.
Who knows?

820
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,840
They were like, of all the
people that need to die first,

821
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,360
this is the guy that needs to
die first.

822
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,320
The eldest born who's really
born?

823
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:44,480
Get this boring guy out of here.
Yeah, So you know, the acting

824
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,360
was pretty solid.
I think that there are some

825
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,520
incredibly beautiful shots in
this movie.

826
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,240
Like I'm thinking about when
when I was about to say King

827
00:46:55,240 --> 00:46:59,120
Lear.
When Hita Torah is sitting on

828
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,040
the steps and he's kind of on
the top right of the frame and

829
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,960
then the jester or the fool is
on the bottom left of the frame

830
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:10,640
and the cameras up above them
and like the walls are leading

831
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,080
down to where they are and they
just feel entrapped.

832
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,280
I don't know that like there's
it's just such a beautiful shot

833
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,080
and I'm like, yeah, there's
there's a lot of really great

834
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,650
shots in this film.
You were mentioning a scene

835
00:47:22,650 --> 00:47:25,010
earlier that made you laugh out
loud and it's when they're kind

836
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:27,450
of like inside the ruins of the
one castle.

837
00:47:28,010 --> 00:47:31,410
And the establishing shot from
that scene is like it's shot

838
00:47:31,410 --> 00:47:34,210
from above looking straight down
the walls and they're at this

839
00:47:34,210 --> 00:47:37,530
kind of like cock eyed angle.
And then the two of them wander

840
00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:39,730
into the frame, and it is the
coolest.

841
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:44,570
Most like, you can tell that
Kurosawa was really influenced

842
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:48,800
by other cinematic eras in this
movie and that, like, there's a

843
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,920
ton of German Expressionism
going on in this movie too.

844
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,600
It's really, really cool to see
that kind of imagery in a

845
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,720
Japanese movie set in, you know,
like the 17 or 1800s.

846
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:04,600
And I really, really loved how
many of his own cinematic

847
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,880
influences he was able to sneak
in through the camera work.

848
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,480
Yeah, yeah.
Well, tell me what else?

849
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,160
What?
What else?

850
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,320
Like stuck out to you that made
you go.

851
00:48:13,810 --> 00:48:16,170
Brad, this is a masterpiece.
You know what honestly really

852
00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:19,850
worked for me was the score to
this movie, because I felt like

853
00:48:19,850 --> 00:48:24,770
especially in the first hour or
so, it leaned into how eerie and

854
00:48:24,770 --> 00:48:28,050
unsettling like the groundwork
was that was being laid.

855
00:48:28,450 --> 00:48:31,290
And then by the end of the movie
it no longer sounded like those

856
00:48:31,290 --> 00:48:34,850
kind of traditional Japanese
soundtracks that we got with

857
00:48:34,850 --> 00:48:37,290
like Rashomon.
It was much more western

858
00:48:37,290 --> 00:48:41,050
influenced, like even the like
the Chord progressions, really

859
00:48:41,050 --> 00:48:45,050
tragic, really sad string heavy
and I thought it was really cool

860
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:48,290
again bridging the the kind of
gap between eastern and western

861
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:53,170
forms of music that you kind of
saw how he used the strengths of

862
00:48:53,170 --> 00:48:57,090
both to their best effect.
You know Bob, the the only thing

863
00:48:57,090 --> 00:49:00,930
about the music and this is this
is a gripe with all three

864
00:49:00,930 --> 00:49:02,570
movies.
So I think that's how I can

865
00:49:02,570 --> 00:49:05,370
sneak it in here, even though
you close the book on on Gripe

866
00:49:05,530 --> 00:49:09,860
Griping.
He has a thing, and he doesn't

867
00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:11,620
do it too much, so it's not too
bothersome.

868
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:16,980
He has a thing for like,
shrieking flutes occasionally,

869
00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:20,420
and it kind of drives me nuts.
Yeah, they are very.

870
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:25,900
It's not my, not my favorite.
But again, I kind of feel like

871
00:49:25,940 --> 00:49:27,780
if they're going to work
anywhere, they work in a movie

872
00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:30,870
like this, where the title of
the movies, chaos.

873
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:32,990
It's like, all right, yeah, I
surely lived up to the billing,

874
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:36,830
I guess, you know.
Yeah, it it definitely does.

875
00:49:36,830 --> 00:49:41,110
I just remember, like, turning
on Rashomon and the first sounds

876
00:49:41,110 --> 00:49:44,670
you hear are just this
screeching flute.

877
00:49:45,310 --> 00:49:48,070
You're like, whoa man, I'm, I'm
in for some.

878
00:49:48,070 --> 00:49:50,230
Let me turn down the speakers a
little bit, yeah.

879
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:53,390
Yep, Yep.
Brad, you know, I I think that I

880
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:57,140
did kind of set myself up for a
segue here, but part of the

881
00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:59,660
reason I wanted to talk about
things that worked in the back

882
00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:03,900
half is that this is really
going to lead me into my let's

883
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:05,660
make it a double.
We'll get there in a second.

884
00:50:05,660 --> 00:50:08,900
But course I was at the end of
his career.

885
00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:11,460
Essentially here he makes one
more movie after this.

886
00:50:12,060 --> 00:50:17,300
And I think that watching this
movie a, it's such a monumental

887
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:21,620
kind of weighty, giant, epic
movie and it works on that

888
00:50:21,620 --> 00:50:24,140
level.
But I also think it works

889
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:28,500
primarily because you are
watching a director at the end

890
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:32,780
of his life and kind of
interrogating what are the

891
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:35,540
things that you still want to
say as an artist at the end of

892
00:50:35,540 --> 00:50:37,860
your life.
And I think that there are some

893
00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:40,700
really heavy parallels here
between what we see with

894
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:43,220
Kurosawa at the end of his life
and what we've been seeing in

895
00:50:43,220 --> 00:50:44,940
the last few years from
Scorsese.

896
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:47,860
And that's underscored by the
fact that just a few weeks ago I

897
00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:51,420
saw a Scorsese writing.
I want to say it was like in the

898
00:50:51,420 --> 00:50:55,910
New York Times or something, but
he was talking about how a quote

899
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:58,270
from Kurosawa that he had.
He'd had a conversation with

900
00:50:58,270 --> 00:51:02,790
Kurosawa and Kurosawa had said
something about like, now that

901
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:08,110
I'm getting older, I realize I
have so much to say and my time

902
00:51:08,110 --> 00:51:10,510
is running out.
And he said I didn't really

903
00:51:10,510 --> 00:51:12,070
understand what he meant by
that.

904
00:51:12,070 --> 00:51:16,670
But now I, as an old man, I feel
compelled to work faster and

905
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:19,670
harder than I ever have because
I need to get these stories out

906
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:22,990
before I run out of time.
And putting that lens back on

907
00:51:22,990 --> 00:51:26,410
Kurosawa, it's interesting that
he would choose to make his kind

908
00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:31,810
of final epic before his his
last film in such a tragic and

909
00:51:31,810 --> 00:51:34,210
bleak way.
You know, I I don't necessarily

910
00:51:34,210 --> 00:51:37,210
want to read back on him that he
was a guy that was tragic and

911
00:51:37,210 --> 00:51:40,130
bleak, but he really did
struggle, I think, with his

912
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:42,290
mental health at points.
Apparently at one point in the

913
00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:46,370
70s, he tried to take his own
life after the Japanese film

914
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:49,970
industry kind of turned on him.
He was considered like old news

915
00:51:50,130 --> 00:51:52,970
and he couldn't scrape together
financing for his movies

916
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:55,830
anymore.
And so in this one kind of big

917
00:51:55,830 --> 00:52:00,590
last hurrah in Ron, the final
imagery that he leaves you with

918
00:52:00,590 --> 00:52:04,030
is kind of harrowing.
And I think it's, it's just

919
00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:07,190
really interesting to think
about like this guy's on his way

920
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:09,230
out.
What does he want to leave

921
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:11,270
behind?
And this is the statement that

922
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:14,110
he makes, you know?
Bob, I'm going to ask you a

923
00:52:14,110 --> 00:52:18,030
personal question.
How are you going to feel when

924
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:20,870
Martin Scorsese passes away?
That's going to be a big loss,

925
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:24,310
man, a big loss.
Him and Spielberg both.

926
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:26,990
I'm like stay, stay in good
health, guys.

927
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:30,910
You know, follow whatever
Eastwood has been doing because

928
00:52:30,910 --> 00:52:34,230
he's 93, I think, and making his
final movie right now.

929
00:52:35,710 --> 00:52:37,950
He has announced it's his final.
He has, Yeah.

930
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:40,910
I think he isn't declining
health, you know, like or he

931
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:43,590
wouldn't have announced it.
But man, it's just crazy to

932
00:52:43,590 --> 00:52:46,550
think.
Even if if Scorsese keeps

933
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:48,910
working for like another
thirteen years or something,

934
00:52:48,910 --> 00:52:51,470
he'll still just be at the age
that Eastwood is.

935
00:52:52,100 --> 00:52:54,100
That's not it's Scorsese
already.

936
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:56,220
Like 79.
He's almost 80, yeah.

937
00:52:57,300 --> 00:52:58,500
Doggy.
Yep, Yep.

938
00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:02,540
Anyway, you know, time marches
on, and I think that plays a big

939
00:53:02,540 --> 00:53:05,660
part in this movie.
This movie is so much about.

940
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:09,060
And I think in a way that King
Lear, from what I know of it,

941
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:12,820
doesn't quite lean into as much.
Which we've established as I

942
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:16,060
have not read right, but but
Kurosawa has gone on record and

943
00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:20,410
said this needed to be a movie
that fleshed out the background

944
00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:23,290
of these characters.
He said that Shakespeare didn't

945
00:53:23,290 --> 00:53:26,010
really give the characters in
King Lear a history and you're

946
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:28,570
just kind of put right into the
middle of this struggle for

947
00:53:28,570 --> 00:53:31,570
power.
And he said I needed to have a

948
00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:35,210
reason for these people to act
as violently as they do and and,

949
00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:38,090
you know, react so strongly one
way or the other against their

950
00:53:38,090 --> 00:53:39,970
father.
And it's to give their father

951
00:53:39,970 --> 00:53:44,690
this back story of you built
your empire on being ruthless

952
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:48,980
and look what you have wrought.
And this entire movie is just an

953
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:53,420
argument that no matter what you
do, you cannot escape your past

954
00:53:53,420 --> 00:53:55,300
and you cannot escape the things
that you've done.

955
00:53:55,980 --> 00:53:58,820
And it really like, I don't know
what that means for Kurosawa in

956
00:53:58,820 --> 00:54:03,500
his own personal life, but it is
I think having him as an old man

957
00:54:03,500 --> 00:54:07,700
making this movie, whatever it
means, I think it means more to

958
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:10,300
see him making that argument at
the end of his life than if he'd

959
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:12,260
made this movie.
It was like a 25 year old.

960
00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:16,410
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, man.
I think the message of the movie

961
00:54:16,690 --> 00:54:21,530
More fell along the lines of if
he had only taught his sons

962
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:25,050
better how to wage war, then
they wouldn't have been such

963
00:54:25,050 --> 00:54:26,890
imbeciles when it came to doing
it.

964
00:54:26,890 --> 00:54:30,330
Once they were in charge, I
think that would have been the

965
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:32,290
key.
Like, hey guys, this is actually

966
00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:36,370
how you fight a battle.
That's the that's the purpose of

967
00:54:36,370 --> 00:54:37,890
the movie.
That's the message.

968
00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:41,090
Be a better educator about war,
Bob.

969
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,400
Yeah, But I just really do
think, you know, and I guess I

970
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,880
will get into, let's make it a
double here.

971
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,560
So let me cue up the music,
Brad.

972
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,680
Hey, it's time for let's make it
a double.

973
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,120
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks for listening

974
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,120
to the film and whiskey show.
Let's ever know the film with

975
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,520
this one, even if it's
struggling.

976
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,000
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

977
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,880
Let's make it a double is the
part of the podcast where we

978
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,840
pair this movie up with another
to make the perfect double

979
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,320
feature.
I've already mentioned Scorsese,

980
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,000
and I think there's two ways you
can go to pair this movie up.

981
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:16,960
One is Scorsese's own heavily
Kurosawa influenced film,

982
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,280
Silence.
I think they've kind of like

983
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,480
perfect pairings for each other.
The one of the final images of

984
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,160
this movie is the blind Prince
who has his family's been

985
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,680
slaughtered by the, you know,
the the family in power.

986
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,760
He's now teetering on the edge
of a Cliff and left there to die

987
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,680
because he doesn't know when
anyone's coming back for him.

988
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,200
And he's been clutching onto
this image of the Buddha.

989
00:55:40,610 --> 00:55:43,330
And then the Buddha falls out of
his hand and he's been told as

990
00:55:43,330 --> 00:55:45,370
long as you have this, like,
you'll be protected.

991
00:55:45,570 --> 00:55:49,650
And it's this final image of
like a silent and indifferent

992
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:52,170
God, right?
And that's exactly the plot of

993
00:55:52,170 --> 00:55:55,610
silence is, is God indifferent
and silent in the face of

994
00:55:55,610 --> 00:55:57,530
suffering?
So I think I'd be a really

995
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:59,850
interesting pairing.
I also think that his most

996
00:55:59,850 --> 00:56:04,690
recent film, The Irishman, which
is all about the sins of your

997
00:56:04,690 --> 00:56:08,740
past coming back to haunt you as
an old man and being left, like,

998
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:13,380
utterly in ruin as a result.
Like there's there are obvious

999
00:56:13,380 --> 00:56:18,300
and strong parallels to the end
of Kurosawa's career here in

1000
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,220
this part of Scorsese's career.
So I don't really think that you

1001
00:56:21,220 --> 00:56:23,260
couldn't do better than to pair
it up with one of those two.

1002
00:56:24,020 --> 00:56:27,900
Those are incredible, incredible
choices, Bob.

1003
00:56:28,510 --> 00:56:31,230
I am Are you going to do The
Sandlot again this week?

1004
00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:35,630
Yeah.
How do you know The Sandlot?

1005
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:39,270
It's the perfect movie.
I'm not going to do The Sandlot,

1006
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:42,830
but I am going to make you mad.
I was just thinking to myself,

1007
00:56:42,830 --> 00:56:44,990
what are medieval movies that I
just enjoy?

1008
00:56:45,070 --> 00:56:47,030
They're just fun.
I just have a good time with

1009
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:49,150
them.
I'm going to pair this with A

1010
00:56:49,150 --> 00:56:52,830
Knight's Tale, Bob, because
that's a medieval movie that's

1011
00:56:52,830 --> 00:56:57,750
fun and enjoyable and doesn't go
on for seven hours.

1012
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:00,850
You know, I just watched a Heath
Ledger movie for the first time.

1013
00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:04,010
Brad, it's the 1990 Nine's 10
Things I Hate About You.

1014
00:57:04,530 --> 00:57:07,530
Oh, what a movie.
Yeah, what a movie.

1015
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:10,090
I've never seen it before.
And I know that like when I was

1016
00:57:10,090 --> 00:57:12,690
growing up, all the teenagers
loved that movie, right?

1017
00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:15,690
Yeah, it's huge.
Man, that movie sucked.

1018
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:18,010
That was just a not well made
film.

1019
00:57:18,330 --> 00:57:20,970
But I, you know, it had Heath
Ledger in it and it was a

1020
00:57:20,970 --> 00:57:22,810
Shakespeare adaptation.
It was right after I finished

1021
00:57:22,810 --> 00:57:24,770
this one and I was like, oh,
that's another Shakespeare

1022
00:57:24,770 --> 00:57:26,450
adaptation.
I should knock off their list.

1023
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:30,730
Yeah, well, yeah.
And A Knight's Tale, also based

1024
00:57:30,730 --> 00:57:33,210
off of English literature.
Sure.

1025
00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:35,930
So here you go.
There you go, man.

1026
00:57:36,250 --> 00:57:38,810
There it is.
Brad is the learned one of the

1027
00:57:38,810 --> 00:57:41,010
two of us.
That that is true.

1028
00:57:41,010 --> 00:57:44,450
I have read The Canterbury Tales
and King Lear.

1029
00:57:44,610 --> 00:57:47,450
So, oh, you did read King Lear.
Yeah, I've read King Lear.

1030
00:57:47,490 --> 00:57:48,530
Oh, I didn't know that.
Nice.

1031
00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:51,410
Even though you confuse it, Are
you sure you're not confusing it

1032
00:57:51,410 --> 00:57:53,850
for whatever the thing was in
the Bible and the Bible?

1033
00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:54,610
Yeah.
No.

1034
00:57:55,380 --> 00:58:01,580
No, I read King Lear 9th grade.
See, I was like kind, like kind

1035
00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:04,500
of, you know, full of myself in
high school.

1036
00:58:05,660 --> 00:58:11,380
And I was in English class.
And I told my teacher that the

1037
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:13,300
books she was choosing were
boring.

1038
00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:18,500
And she told me that if I read
the Iliad and King Lear and

1039
00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:21,300
wrote like you know, a two or
three page book report on each

1040
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,040
of them.
That I could just do nothing the

1041
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,880
rest of the semester.
So in about a week, I read the

1042
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,600
Iliad and wrote a book report.
And another week I read King

1043
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,240
Lear and wrote a book report.
And I remember this story from

1044
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,640
that from our oh, brother, Where
Art Thou Episode.

1045
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,640
Yeah.
Yeah, Yep, I just blasted on

1046
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,080
through.
Honestly Brad, part of the

1047
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,000
reason why we do this podcast is
that you are no less self

1048
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,520
assured or cocky, but now you've
actually seen the things to back

1049
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,760
up your state That's you've
finally done the homework.

1050
00:58:52,210 --> 00:58:56,330
I would say so.
If anything, my my cockiness is

1051
00:58:56,330 --> 00:58:57,690
your fault, Bob.
Exactly you.

1052
00:58:58,090 --> 00:59:00,530
Forced me to sit down and watch
what is it?

1053
00:59:00,530 --> 00:59:03,650
220 movies at this point?
Yeah, pretty much.

1054
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:06,570
All right, man, let's give this
movie some final scores.

1055
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:10,330
Brad, I I do agree with you that
this movie is too long.

1056
00:59:10,690 --> 00:59:13,450
And I honestly think they could
have cut at least 20 minutes out

1057
00:59:13,450 --> 00:59:17,760
of that middle chunk.
However, I was absolutely

1058
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,640
overwhelmed by this movie.
I think just from a a technical

1059
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,760
filmmaking standpoint, I think
the sort of like, dread and

1060
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,560
inevitability of the the tragic
downfall that was coming was

1061
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,280
played perfectly.
I think the battle scenes are

1062
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,280
incredible, even if my my
counterpart here does not think

1063
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,360
so.
I'm really teetering between a

1064
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,480
nine and a half and a 10, Brad,
and I think I'm going to give it

1065
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,640
a 10 because when I finish this
movie, I immediately went on to

1066
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,720
Amazon to see how much the
Blu-ray was.

1067
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,520
And if I want a movie that
badly, I think it's a 10 out of

1068
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:51,880
10.
Yeah.

1069
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,680
Well, good for you, Bob.
Thank you, Sir.

1070
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:54,600
Really happy.
Thank you.

1071
00:59:54,840 --> 01:00:03,440
Cocky bastard.
Bob, I will give this a 7 out of

1072
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,080
10.
OK, so better than Rashomon for

1073
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:08,160
you?
Yeah, but I like this more than

1074
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,620
Rashomon.
I love the costumes.

1075
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:14,140
I like the acting.
I think there's some really

1076
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:17,860
gorgeous shots.
The story itself is intriguing

1077
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:22,060
and like it's little things that
frustrated me about the movie

1078
01:00:22,060 --> 01:00:25,460
where I'm like I like.
I was emotionally moved by

1079
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:29,900
Suboru's death at the end, but
not nearly as much because

1080
01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:34,860
Kurosawa has him at the start of
the film, be a Dick to his dad.

1081
01:00:35,790 --> 01:00:41,190
Disappear for two hours and 20
minutes and then show up again

1082
01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:43,990
looking for his dad and and now
he's like a hero.

1083
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:45,990
I think that's the.
I mean, I think that's the point

1084
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:48,750
though is like the person that
you think is actually betraying

1085
01:00:48,750 --> 01:00:52,430
the dad and was warning him that
everyone's just flattering him,

1086
01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:54,910
gets kicked out.
But he was actually the most

1087
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:59,830
loyal one all along, you know.
Yeah, sure, but but no.

1088
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:03,430
But it didn't work.
For you just didn't really just

1089
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:06,210
didn't really work like.
I don't.

1090
01:01:06,210 --> 01:01:08,130
I don't know what he could have
done to make it work.

1091
01:01:08,330 --> 01:01:12,050
But, and you know, I'll be
honest, I think that that might

1092
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:17,050
be a a place where, as an
American who does not speak

1093
01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:24,250
Japanese, the opening scene may
have held all sorts of layered

1094
01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:28,210
nuance to Suboru's performance.
You know who, whatever the

1095
01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:32,010
actor's name was that I just
didn't pick up on, but I

1096
01:01:32,010 --> 01:01:36,880
literally almost texted you.
Bro Saburo is a giant D like

1097
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,880
like I.
All I got from that was that he

1098
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,720
was snarky and sarcastic and,
like, crappy.

1099
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,560
There you go.
Well, and so it just didn't

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work, man.
Snarky and sarcastic and crappy

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defines both of our
personalities.

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So Saburo or what's his name?
Is it Saburo?

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Saburo, Yeah, You can join us on
the podcast anytime.

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Guest guest chair open for you.
All right, Brad.

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He just speaks Japanese the
whole time.

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What did you what did you think
of Lords of Arabia?

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All right, Brad, we're coming
out to an 8.5 out of 10 on this

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movie, but we would like to know
what you think.

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Have you seen Ron?
This is an interesting movie

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because I I didn't expect that
many people would have seen this

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one.
Brad It's not often brought up

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in the first breath of Kurosawa,
but when you look on IMDb, it's

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got a ton of reviews and it's in
the top 250.

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In fact, I think it's in like
the top 150 on IMDb.

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So I know someone out there has
seen it and really, really loves

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it.
And if that's you, you can reach

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out to us on Facebook, Twitter,
Instagram, TikTok, YouTube at

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Filmwhiskey.
There's so many ways to reach

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out to this, Bob, And there's
one more.

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It's called Discord.
Discord is an awesome community

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of people.
It's a private server where

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people who are fans of the Film
and Whiskey podcast, that's you.

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Everybody can join the
conversation.

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So you can find a link to the
Discord at the end of every

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single one of our show notes.
All right, we are finally moving

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into Kurosawa's more modern day
set films and we're going to be

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starting with a thriller from
the 1960s called High and Low.

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Really excited to watch that one
with you, Brad.

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So join us for that one next
week.

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But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G and we'll see you

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next time.