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In 1991, director, Kathryn

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Bigelow, and star Keanu Reeves,
gave the world a tubular crime

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Thriller that got all the been
he's stoked about carving the

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surf, even if as a complete
chunder of a day and you just

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have to act like a Quimby, real
bang in your way back to the

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shore bra.
Wow, in 2023, we returned to

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Kentucky to try a fan, favorite
brand, the film is Point Break.

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The whiskey is Makers Mark 101
and we'll review them both.

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This is the fish.
Film and whiskey podcast,

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welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and
this week Brad, we are Rounding

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out our mini series of Kathryn
Bigelow films with her 1990s,

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Masterpiece Point Break.
I was going to say we we've

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reviewed The Hurt Locker we've
reviewed Zero, Dark Thirty, I

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think Point Break, maybe the
most important film she will

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ever make.
I think so.

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I don't know.
It might be the most culturally

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significant film we've ever done
on this show.

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Brad easily.
Yeah.

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But like, by far, if they live
in, like a very specific, Take

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place of the country.
Yeah, right.

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So here's the thing about Point
Break man, I said this at the

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end of last week's episode,
normally I have seen and loved

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the films that we watch for this
show.

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I had never seen Point Break
until this watch through.

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Brad as, like, fourth fifth
time.

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I think I know we're on movie.
Number 201, on this podcast now

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and I think this is like, the
fifth time ever that I have not

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seen the movie before.
It's just a big blind spot for

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me.
And I feel like in the wake of

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Kathryn, They'll be coming
capitulo.

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Oscar-winning director.
This movie has taken on a second

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life, and people have really
begun to critically reappraise

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it in a serious way and, you
know, it's a fun movie.

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I just can't believe that.
It's by the same person that

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made Hurt Locker in Zero, Dark
Thirty.

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There's so wildly different but
you can still see like the

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prototype for a Kathryn.
Bigelow, movie embedded in this

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funny, Gary Busey See, Surfer
action movie?

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Yeah, you 100% can, and we're
going to get to that in a

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second.
Bob, I'm curious.

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Who would you consider to be a
lowercase o oscar-winning

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director?
I want you to spill the beans

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right now, whoever the guy was
that did green book is a

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lowercase o heater fairly fairly
lucrative by the way, Brad, as

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we record this, and you hear the
voice of our guests here in the

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background, we will introduce
him in just a second right now,

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the confit.
Festival is going on, which is

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one of the cool things about
that film festival is that it's

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kind of a Marketplace of ideas
where if you need money for an

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unproduced movie, you go to con
you wheel and deal you secure

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International rights to make
your movie and then it becomes a

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straight to DVD movie in the
United States.

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But you've got the rights to
release it and like

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Czechoslovakia.
So they give you the money.

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And so a lot of times people
that are kind of washed up like

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sell movies at con and right now
they're the Rumor is that Nick

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Val alonga the guy that wrote
green book is shopping his new

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screenplay At Con.
It's amazing.

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It's a movie called That's
Amore.

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It is a romantic comedy.
You have to look up the plot of

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this movie.
It is absolutely ridiculous but

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currently attached to Star is
like 70 year old, John Travolta.

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Hey, and Katherine Heigl and it
is a romantic comedy in which I

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believe they are the Romantic
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So I think that's incredible.
Nothing could go wrong there.

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Bob.
No, in fact, I feel like we

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should just talk about That's
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Instead of Point Break today,
because it, I mean like it can't

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get any more interesting than
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The easily.
That's the right decision.

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Bob at this point, I think we
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whether we should talk about
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Yeah.
Today we are joined by a

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first-time guest on the show.
It's Vince Mancini, who is like,

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honestly one of my favorite
movie writers, he's the host of

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a couple different podcast, I'll
let Vince come in and introduce

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himself.
Self a little bit because he has

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a very interesting point to make
about, That's Amore.

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So Vince, how are you today?
I'm doing great.

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Thank you guys for having me on.
I mean if there's two things in

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the world that I know about it
is Point Break and Nic Val,

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longest proposed movie, That's
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Do you know about them on an
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Knowledge level.
I mean, you know, there's

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there's not a lot to know about
That's Amore as of yet.

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It's like two paragraphs so
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Basically the same.
Yeah, I would say that I am have

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an encyclopedic knowledge of
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Yes.
All right.

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So wait.
I'm seeing in the chat that you

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said that.
You had an AI.

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Write a scene for this movie.
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Like I was obsessed with the
idea that Katherine Heigl was

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going to be playing a character
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And when she is the love
interest, which is like my

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favorite, like, Tyler Perry
writing move where you have, you

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know, the movies called good
deeds, and it's about a guy

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named was lead.
He's like, that's just that's

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great, that's classic
screenwriting.

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No, no, I found that like chat
GPT is really good like it a few

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narrow things and one of them is
like, writing bad movies when

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given a prompt.
So like I gave it the prompt to

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write this.
You know, this movie That's

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Amore with John Travolta.
You and Katherine Heigl, and I

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thought it did like a pretty
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I mean, I took a couple goes,
but at least made me laugh.

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At least as good of a job.
As what Nick Val long is

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probably doing.
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What are you what?
I'm sensing here is that after

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this episode recording, you're
going to hop on a plane to Khan

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and sell this bad boy.
If it's not already sold right?

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Be surprised if someone had
snapped it up yet.

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All right guys, so let's get
into talking about Point Break a

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little bit, you know.
Vince we reached out to you a

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couple months ago as up
Seneschal guest and you had

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circled one of two movies and so
I guess I kind of jumped ahead

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of myself a little bit here
because you said look I can

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either join you for Point Break
which I love or Zero Dark Thirty

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and this is your word which I
loathe and and I was like, you

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know what, you've never been a
guest on the show before.

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Maybe don't come and just like
shit all over your first movie.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, I like that II agree with

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that.
And I honestly would I have a

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much better time.
Talking about Point Break.

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Anyway, here's my thing, nor
we're going to do this in a

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second.
I do Brad explains take 60

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seconds to explain the movie.
Can you give us Vince lobes a 60

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second segment.
I'm instituting right now where

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he talks about why he hates Zero
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That was my question like you
know, we and we talked about the

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controversies and a lot of the
reasons that people critics

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especially hated that movie.
So I'm wondering like they loved

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it at the time.
I felt like I Out completely on

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an island saying that, I hated
it at the time.

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Okay.
So let's, let's do, Vince,

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loads.
I want to hear, like, what is

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your reasoning behind your
hatred for that movie?

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I mean, first bullet point, it
is literally like a CIA, puff

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piece.
Like, this was, this is like

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part of the cia's public
relations campaign, like, they

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literally had a big hand in this
movie, and put it out there as a

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way to make themselves look
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Like Like the entire, the entire
Jessica Chastain character.

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Like, I'm the motherfucker who
found him, sir, like completely

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not a real person.
The completely bullshit

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character.
And it also realigned though.

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I mean, come on.
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And just, I don't know.
It treats, it treats this, you

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know, extra legal execution.
Not that I like, you know, shed

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any special tear for Osama Bin
Laden obviously, but like, just

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the way that they made it into
like a cool video game.

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Like I get that we as a society,
wanted this guy dead and we had

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some seals go in and blow his
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But if you're going to do that,
show the brains, like making us

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actually grapple with the thing
that we did and not make it

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like, oh, wasn't that cool?
Wasn't it like a video game?

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It's like, first of all, you
crashed your helicopter in this

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guy's a compound where he was
like sitting in, in, like he was

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sitting on house, arrest
watching porn, and, and we went

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into go executed, when you
crashed your helicopter, like,

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You weren't that cool?
Sorry, it wasn't a cool video

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game.
It was kind of like you screwed

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up and I don't know, Vince, I
should have warned you before

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hand.
We don't talk about killing

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Osama Bin Laden.
We caught him.

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Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.

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We caught.
It's the caught him.

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We got him.
You guys.

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Sorry.
You know like I think you're a

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right to steer me towards Point
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It's because that wasn't that's
a movie that I love and I could

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talk about all day.
All right, in the spirit of

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talking about this movie, it is
time for America's favorite

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segment which we call Brad
explains rats gonna give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock.

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So let's go ahead and do you
take with this little segment

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that we call Brad explains?
Brad explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the movie that he

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has just seen often for the
first time Brad.

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Listen, I know for damn sure
that if it was my first time

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seeing Point Break, it was
definitely your first time

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seeing Point Break.
Hey, I mean so far.

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We've had one movie.
I think that I saw and you

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hadn't, right?
Sheree and charade and other

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than that, you are correct.
As if you haven't seen it, I

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haven't seen it.
Well, the great appeal of our

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show is that, you know, I am a
movie nerd and I'm introducing

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Brad to so many of these films,
but the beauty of today Brad is

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that we are discovering this
alongside each other.

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So I will be judging your Brad
explains even more harshly than

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normal.
Well maybe this should be a bob

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explained.
Absolutely.

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I feel like that.
Should be.

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No, I feel like that should be
your punishment for not having

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seen the movie before Brad, you
have 60 seconds on the clock, to

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explain the plot of this movie.
And go an FBI agent with the

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name.
Johnny Utah.

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I'm just going to linger on that
for a second.

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His name is Johnny.
Utah goes undercover to catch a

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gang of robbers who are also
totally rad Surfers and they're

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led by Patrick Swayze.
Who's kind of a Eastern

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mysticism, Buddhist monk, kind
of dude, who's just wants to

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experience life to the fullest
and they jump out of airplanes

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and they murder people and rob
banks, and just have a totally

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killer time doing it, man.
It's awesome.

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And Keanu, Reeves has a bad knee
and Gary Busey gets shot.

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Hmm.
Yeah.

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There you go, there's Point
Break.

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What a, what a plot synopsis you
you I've offered here.

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All right.
I mean, he was a quarterback for

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Ohio State.
Who blew his knee out in the

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Rose Bowl against USC here.
That's Frank you very much.

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What do you see that?
I am.

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I'm donning, my Ohio State gear
here tonight.

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Brad.
And I are both huge Buckeyes

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fans.
I did not expect to see that.

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Johnny Utah was a former Buckeye
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it's hilarious that even back in
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The Trope of the Ohio State
quarterback, not going pro was

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true.
Even then like it's You nailed

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man.
You know I blew out my knee and

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everybody on the beach was like
yeah.

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Yeah that tracks I guess for the
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There you go.
Yeah, I mean it was it was

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honestly prophetic, I think so
Brad.

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Where do we start with this
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Do you want to start with
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Do you just want to start with
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movie?
Where should we go honestly?

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I think starting with
performances is a good place to

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be simply because like all of
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film, I am Honestly think give
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performances.
Like everybody is really good in

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the film, and I like, I mean,
you have a, oh, I can't remember

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his name right now.
The doctor from Scrubs.

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He's again Lee.
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Thank you just being incredible
as like this hard-nosed.

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You know, Sergeant.
I just loved it.

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I have a very specific take on
the performances.

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If you'll, please Jump Right In,
please.

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I'm yeah.
I mean, you guys are talking

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about the filmmaker that Kathryn
Bigelow would become, you know,

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the capital.
Oh, Oscar filmmaker and I think

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Patrick Swayze is do is
performing for that director and

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everybody else in the movie
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sort of like a fun be movie and
like jhansi McGinley Keanu,

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Reeves and Gary Busey who is
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movie.
I think they are all just

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knocking out of the park.
These Great, B movie, roles Lori

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Petty to, and then, you know,
Patrick Swayze shows up and he's

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sort of got that like, Tom
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he's like, he's dialed it.
Yeah, like he's dialed in and

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he's doing a more serious movie
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And it works because like that
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freaky serious bodhisattva guy
who can convince you to join a

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surf gang.
Let's get, let's start with

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Swayze Brad.
This is the first Patrick Swayze

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movie.
Ever done on this show.

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We have we've made surprisingly
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movies on the AFI top 100.
I don't know what's going on.

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If you need, if you need to have
me back for Roadhouse, that was

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filmed in my hometown and I also
have an encyclopedic knowledge

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of that film which you should
also see.

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Absolutely.
We need to implement this

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Swayze, the Swayze miniseries of
Red Dawn Roadhouse and The

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Outsiders or or ghost throw one
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Vince back on for a marathon.
I was going to say bye.

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Bob Vince might just leave the
podcast.

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This is the first Patrick Swayze
movie.

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I've I don't like gosh, like
the, the closest I've ever come

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to watching.
Patrick, Swayze Act is watching

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him and Chris Farley.
Try out for Chippendales

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together.
Well, there you go.

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I mean I don't really know where
to go from there, except to say,

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Patrick Swayze in this movie
Brad legitimately.

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And I don't just mean like for a
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Early 90s action film, he's
good.

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He is like unbelievably good in
this movie.

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Yeah.
I legitimately was blown away.

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I think part of it is I'll call
it the Matt Damon effect of like

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coming into a movie halfway
through like he's really not in

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the movie very much until 45 to
60 minutes into the film and

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it's only a two-hour film.
So like you don't get a ton of

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him but once he like really
cements himself as one of the

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main characters of film dude,
takes it home.

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Yeah.
There's like a certain Then kind

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of actor and I've read the
director of Killing Them Softly,

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say this about Brad Pitt, which
I think is also true.

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It's like there's a certain type
of actor that is only.

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They can only play a character
who sort of like, Larger than

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Life and is like, it almost like
mythical figure.

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applies to Patrick Swayze in

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like Bay, you know, I've really
only seen him in like two

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movies, the rest.
Yeah, I'm sure I saw at one

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point, but like in Road House
and in Point Break, he is like

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this, like mythical Sage
character and he's not playing

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like a normal human, he's
playing this character who.

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Yeah, it's like a human myth,
musically?

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And yeah and I think that that
psychotic commitment that he has

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throughout this whole movie is
just like perfect for the

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character.
Honestly, he reminds me a little

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bit in a more extreme way and
like the negative version of

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this, but he kind of reminds me
of Samuel Jackson from Pulp

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Fiction.
Like the way he waxes, poetic

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lie about his beliefs about the
world and like, gives these

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speeches.
I'm like, I felt Vibes of that

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in this.
I mean, I guess technically,

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yeah, Pulp Fiction was a for
three or four years later, but

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yeah, it's hard to see, like,
little real literal reality and

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a character who speaks like in
monologues and allegories.

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But yeah, but it but we love
watching it.

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It's always fun to watch when
it's done.

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Well, it's such a cool
performance.

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Foreman sin like in the Arc of
his career to because, you know,

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he gets famous in the early 80s,
obviously The Outsiders and then

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into Red Dawn and all the way
through to like your Roadhouse's

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and he's at a point.
I think he's 38 39 years old

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when this movie comes out.
So he's, you know, he's getting

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to the point where he's gonna
start playing dad's if he's not

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careful and what he does is he
leans into this I don't know

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what you would call this guy
Brad.

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I mean, like, obviously Sage
kind of older wiser figure, but

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it works so perfectly playing
against Keanu, who is in one of

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his very first leading
performances in this movie.

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And I think it's, it says, a lot
about him that this is clearly

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positioned to be keanu's, like
diving board jumping off.

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Point into superstardom, this is
his movie star breakout role.

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And I think John, John, Wayne
and Stagecoach and I think

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Swayze just steal is the whole
movie out from under him, he

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because, yeah, it's the weight
and I think Bigelow's kind of in

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on it a little bit to, it's the
way she likes him.

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Like, the way, this guy looks
lit by a campfire, with his

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golden locks and stubbly beard.
He is one of the most beautiful

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men I've ever seen on screen.
I've heard it said that this is

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one of the only and arguably the
only movie of this era like the

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Crazy Action Movie.
Joel Silver like Lethal Weapon

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movies, which I'm also a huge
fan of like all His movies are

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very male, gaze e, and like,
this one is like the loan.

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It's very much like a female
gaze in like a action movie

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aimed at 13 year old boys, as
all of them were like in that

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era.
Yeah, it works because like you

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could see yourself wanting that
you know older Mentor that is

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Patrick Swayze because you're
like man, this guy's cool like I

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can't deny, it's just it's just
self-evident and that's like

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part of the charm of the movie,
right?

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Is that he's stuck with Gabe.
You see the most?

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I mean, he won world's most
attractive man by GQ what like,

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seven times in a row.
Right.

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Who's that Swayze.
No Gary.

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Are you saying this?
I didn't get the joke at first.

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I was like, yeah, there's like
so many conflicting career arcs.

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I mean, everybody, like all the
actors in this movie have such

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like, to me, this is Swayze sort
of like makana sants movie.

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Like Matthew McConaughey was
sort of like, Hot guy who was a

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joke and then, he sort of, you
know, he came back and serious

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actor form.
Like, that's totally.

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Like it was the Lincoln
commercials that did that.

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Yeah.
And then, you got Gary Busey who

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was like, went from heartthrob
to this to, like crashing, his

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motorcycle and becoming sort of
just like a famous celebrity

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weirdo.
Yeah.

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This is Prix motorcycle
accident.

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I believe, right?
I think so.

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I think that was the thing that
like finally, like, started the

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downward trajectory for abusing
and he is legit, like, Busey is

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legitimately incredible this
movie to I'm so good.

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Almost all of almost all of his
lines.

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Make me laugh out loud in this
movie.

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I want to talk about Busey, but
let's come back around to him

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because I think the comparison
Point here is Swayze versus

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Keanu and I don't mean to make
it like a versus an antagonistic

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thing.
But Brad, I think that Swayze is

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so good at this point.
And so in control of his own

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kind of movie star Persona and
Keanu, still hasn't really

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figured out yet who he is as a
movie star and he doesn't really

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cement that until the Matrix
which is this kind of stoic.

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I don't say very much, I hide
behind a pair of sunglasses.

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I don't move my face very much
and I do what I'm supposed to

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like I'm good at stunts and here
he's still like really going for

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it as an actor and I don't know
if I'm being unfair to Keanu.

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Or if it's just that Swayze so
good that it makes keanu's

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performance seem even worse by
comparison.

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Well, that's the thing is that
in the Matrix films and others

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that Keanu has been in.
I don't know if there's any

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actors too far above the level
of Keanu.

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Whereas, in this film, I'm with
you man.

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I think Swayze is acting at like
an a-minus a level.

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Like he is killing it and Keanu
Reeves.

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It's not a great actor, I agree.
But I also feel like his narrow

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range sort of works for the
character because like he's

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100%.
I mean, he's playing like sort

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of a dumb jock turned dumb
Surfer.

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So yeah, I mean, like there's
definitely like his acting is

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hilarious in this movie
objectively, but I also feel

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like you do believe him in it,
because it does fit the

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character to some degree.
Yeah.

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Well, and like they set him up
like that with the story, right?

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Like your introduction to him,
is him being really good at

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shooting a gun.
Like it's not him nailing like

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foreign language class, or like
stealth, you know, infiltrating

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a gang class.
It's him shooting a gun which is

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basically The Jock version of
being an FBI agent.

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And it also gave me strong, John
Wick Vibes, you know, 30 years.

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It seems like he joined the FBI
because he was like what job

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will allow me to keep being a
Jacques more?

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Yes.
Yeah.

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This is a perfect segue into my
question of the day, guys is

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Johnny Utah.
The worst FBI agent of all time

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because watching this film, it's
clear.

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He didn't pay attention in any
other class at the Academy

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except for, like the shooting
range.

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I just like he, he gives these
guys, his full Christian name,

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like the the second he meets
them.

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And then not only does he tell
them like, hey, I'm Johnny, Tha

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they're like, oh yes, Johnny
Utah, you are the quarterback of

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maybe the biggest brand and
Collegiate Sports.

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We've seen you on National
Television every week for years.

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How in the hell did this guy?
Go into the FBI thinking that

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he's gonna go undercover
anywhere?

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I just like the the entire think
he was I think he's the best FBI

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agent.
He was like too pure for the FBI

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that are like hey you want to go
infiltrate like this?

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You know, civil rights a group
and figure out how to, like,

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figure out how to undermine it.
And he's like, no, I want to go

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learn how to surf, and I might
go a little bit native when I do

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and that's like a human response
and it's like, well, you can't

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be in the FBI.
Now, my favorite, my favorite

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thing is that at multiple points
in the movie you're like, all

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right.
He's going to learn his lesson

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about how to not suck at his job
now and then it's like no he's

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going to run down the street in
Broad.

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Light after these guys, going
up.

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Bi I'm Johnny Utah.
And then after that he's like,

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I'm going to sleep with Lori
Petty now.

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But when I sleep with Lori,
Petty, I'm going to leave my

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wallet just want like just
spread-eagled on my nightstand

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so that she could see my FBI
badge.

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Like I also I also feel like he
doesn't know what the FBI is

445
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like, he's not only is he bad
FBI agent?

446
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,800
He doesn't know how to pretend
to be an FBI agent because he

447
00:24:20,808 --> 00:24:23,700
doesn't really understand it.
Like the First introduction is,

448
00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:26,100
he's in the office and he's
trying to impress jhansi

449
00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:28,300
McGinley.
And the first thing he says is

450
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:32,000
like oh I take the skin off
chicken sir and then five

451
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,200
seconds later.
He's like eating a doughnut.

452
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,700
Like he's trying to Pander to
them but he doesn't know which

453
00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:39,800
direction to do it in because
he's seems to be confused about

454
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,800
the whole thing.
That was the part that got me.

455
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,400
I was like, wait a second.
Is he going to be like, the like

456
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,900
rookie?
Who knows it all.

457
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,300
I don't like honestly, like the
Tom Cruise Direction.

458
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:53,500
Like, I'm a young.
Child and you can't tell me what

459
00:24:53,500 --> 00:24:57,300
to do or is he trying to like
suck up to this guy?

460
00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:00,900
And I had no idea and I don't
know if that's like the scripts

461
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:04,400
fault or keanu's fault but it
was entertaining at the very

462
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,100
least.
Yeah.

463
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,100
He always.
I mean, Keanu, Reeves always has

464
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:10,800
like this the appeal of like a
dog wearing a hat because it's

465
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,200
like he's he's really cute and
like you put them in these

466
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,900
different formats and it doesn't
really fit but it's really

467
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:22,900
adorable when he tries to do it.
So what I hear us saying is We

468
00:25:22,900 --> 00:25:26,600
all love Keanu in this role.
Listen Keanu is a national

469
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,900
treasure at this point, but I
feel like with the National

470
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,900
Treasure status, we've
collectively just decided to

471
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:37,000
forgive him for a lot of things
that, you know, he has not had

472
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,300
the best performances ever.
I love the guy to death.

473
00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:41,500
The Matrix is an Alzheimer John
Wick.

474
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:45,700
Really cool series.
He just gets circles acted

475
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,600
around him by Swayze in this
movie.

476
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:51,700
Yeah, I mean, I just think that,
you know, not every good.

477
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:55,000
Is going to look like Daniel
Day-Lewis.

478
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,800
Sometimes sometimes it can be
Keanu, Reeves.

479
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,900
And you're like, I'd enjoy this
just as much.

480
00:25:59,900 --> 00:26:01,900
It's a different thing but I
like it still.

481
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,700
Yeah, I mean, honestly, we
talked about that a lot on the

482
00:26:04,700 --> 00:26:09,400
podcast Vince, where it can be
so hard to delineate, am I going

483
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,000
to give this a good score
because the actor was what the

484
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,500
script and director were looking
for?

485
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:18,800
Or am I going to give them a bad
score?

486
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,600
Because like I didn't like it
even if it was what they were

487
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,000
hoping for.
Like I'm some genuinely hard

488
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,300
question to answer it times
here.

489
00:26:26,300 --> 00:26:29,100
I think it's a little easier
because Johnny, Utah's just

490
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:31,200
really cool.
Yeah, I mean it's like the

491
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,900
battle between auteur Theory
where you just assume every

492
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:40,000
everything that happens was you
know the result of some great

493
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,100
artists and their and their
master plan.

494
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:45,300
But I feel like a lot of good
movies and good performances are

495
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,300
just like a weird combination of
things that happened.

496
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:52,300
And it's sort of like this
spontaneous occurrence that

497
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,200
Could only happen in just that
one way and it's exciting

498
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,000
because of that.
All right, guys, before we go to

499
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,000
break, I want to hit like the
three other main / supporting

500
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,400
actors in this movie and that
would be Lori, Petty Gary Busey

501
00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,800
and John see McGinley.
So let's start with Lori Petty.

502
00:27:10,100 --> 00:27:13,500
And I just want to like 30
seconds on Lori Petty because

503
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,700
I'm really, if I'm being honest,
I'm really only familiar with

504
00:27:16,700 --> 00:27:19,700
her from A League of Their Own
Brad, in which she plays a

505
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,400
completely different character
and type of just a little bit.

506
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,400
It.
I was really impressed with her

507
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,700
performance here and it was, I
mean, it was just really cool to

508
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:30,800
see her not being like the
annoying little sister and to

509
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,800
hold her own as a, you know, the
to be frank, like a very sexy,

510
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,500
like female lead of a movie
where, like the the main

511
00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:42,900
characters, having a sex scene
is like, pivotal to the movie.

512
00:27:43,100 --> 00:27:45,100
She really held her own in that
kind of a roll.

513
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,700
Yeah, I think that, for me, I
couldn't get over for a little

514
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,300
bit.
The, I mean, maybe it wasn't

515
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:56,200
obvious in the 90s.
But in 2023 look back on this.

516
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,400
And it's like, there's just such
an obvious.

517
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,600
Like she's going to be like a
punk rock and we're going to

518
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,100
give her a boy's name and she's
not going to take any crap from

519
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:10,600
any man and like it works.
She does a great job with it but

520
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,500
I just couldn't help but laugh
at that the first like 30

521
00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:15,000
minutes of the movie.
It's weird.

522
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,900
Because it's like it's expected
in that sense like the oh man,

523
00:28:18,900 --> 00:28:23,000
she's so in my face but at the
same time it's like you know, if

524
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,600
you look at The Point Break
remake, they cast Teresa Palmer.

525
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,900
And that is sort of the kind of
actress that you sort of expect

526
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:34,900
to be in this role which is like
the blond like model looking one

527
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:38,500
who's like very voluptuous or
whatever like Lori Petty was a

528
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:41,100
different thing and even now
watching it you like yeah she

529
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:46,100
still seems like an
unconventional choice for yeah,

530
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,900
troll.
Well I think that's like

531
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:50,900
honestly, that's a huge credit
to Kathryn Bigelow and and I'm

532
00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,400
sure she had a hand in that
casting.

533
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,400
To because she looks like
someone I don't.

534
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,100
I have no idea what her surfing
abilities are in real life.

535
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,800
But she has an incredibly
athletic built and I think

536
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,300
that's part of what you're
getting at here.

537
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,900
Vince is like she doesn't look
like your kind of typical

538
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:12,800
everyday voluptuous leading lady
but she wouldn't be going to be

539
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,100
in Baywatch, right.
But she actually seems like she

540
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,700
belongs on the beach more than
anybody in Baywatch.

541
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:22,400
Does because she's like doing
these incredibly athletic feats.

542
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,200
On the surfboard.
Yeah, she looks like what an

543
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,600
actual, you know girls Surfer?
Yeah, but look like and has that

544
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,800
same appeal 100%.
All right, well, if we're going

545
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,900
to talk about voluptuous bodies
that we find for, then I got to

546
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:39,500
talk about Gary Busey for a
little bit.

547
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:44,900
Okay, here's the thing about
Gary Busey like he's always

548
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:49,800
operating at 100 plus on the
scale of whatever scale you want

549
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,900
to call it and yet this movie
really 10 scale, This movie is

550
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:59,000
so Bonkers in the just the plot
elements.

551
00:29:59,700 --> 00:30:04,200
That Busey not only seems at
home, but seems like, oh, yeah.

552
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,300
This is a very naturalistic,
kind of performance.

553
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:11,600
Like he, he doesn't seem over
the top at all, and in the first

554
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,200
five minutes of the movie, where
he's like, all right, you ready?

555
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,900
I'm gonna give you the answer
right now.

556
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:19,600
They're Surfers.
I'm like, what the hell?

557
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,300
You know.
And if you can get past that

558
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:27,600
initial bump, Which is this is a
Preposterous plot, it 100% works

559
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,500
and not only does it work.
It gives Busey like this level

560
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:37,100
of verisimilitude that the that
like, in any other movie, he

561
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:38,900
would be miles and miles over
the top.

562
00:30:38,900 --> 00:30:42,800
And in this one, he fits right
in I think what I love about him

563
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,300
is that from the very start, you
get his entire character, like,

564
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:50,900
they're asking him to dive for
two bricks and he's like, what

565
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,000
the hell does this have to do
with me?

566
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:56,300
Being an FBI agent.
But sure, I'll jump through the

567
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,200
Hoops, mmm, and that's his
character, the rest of the

568
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,600
movie.
And he is so over-the-top and

569
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,500
trying to jump through the Hoops
that they put him in that and

570
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:09,200
not just like the FBI.
But that Kathryn Bigelow is

571
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,500
asking of him that I absolutely
loved him in this.

572
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:21,100
Yeah, I think like he's playing
like, there's this view of Allah

573
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:26,900
as the place where all these X
counterculture figures like went

574
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:30,200
to settle and, like, they're
really painting Busey.

575
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,700
Is that like that?
That's basically, like the, what

576
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:37,300
the entire like, social
background of The Big Lebowski

577
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:40,900
is, and I kind of could I could
see Gary Busey his character.

578
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,400
In this as, you know, sort of
that, you know, eight or nine

579
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,400
years earlier because like one
of his lines was like, I like

580
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,500
he's reminiscing about like the
good old days of California and

581
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,500
like the 60s and 70s, where he's
like that the air got dirty in

582
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:59,400
the sex, got clean just like,
he's sort of like a, he's a

583
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:04,100
burnout like ex-hippie sort of
guy who is in the FBI for some

584
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,300
reason because of your like
yeah.

585
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:10,400
He's why not?
Honestly, I feel like he could

586
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,600
play the Oh, Crow character in
The Other Guys.

587
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,900
Oh, 100% and pull it off back.
Like I feel like Russell Crowe's

588
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:23,400
character is Gary Busey's
character just earlier in life.

589
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:25,800
Yeah, I like Russell Crowe just
because he was a slightly more

590
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,700
menacing than he.
He works better as like an

591
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:31,600
enforcer, maybe then right then
Gary Busey does, but they do

592
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,000
have that same quality of, like,
I think Gary Busey went to

593
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,500
college on a football
scholarship like they, they have

594
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,900
ex-jock energy, whereas, you
know, Keanu is like an actor.

595
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,200
Playing an ex-jock.
When Gary Busey is actually what

596
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,600
a next job looks like what you
just has that, he's got that

597
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,700
Lumber to him and and like all
the dad jokes that he spits it

598
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,600
with movie, just leave it.
Somebody sports.

599
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,700
Did you play well, I think one
of the reasons that Busey seems

600
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:03,800
tame by Busey standards is that
you've got John see McGinley who

601
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,200
is just absolutely shooting his
shot in every scene of this

602
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,900
movie?
I have never seen anyone go.

603
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,100
As far over the top in a
performance when it's like,

604
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:18,200
you've got five minutes on
screen, you have to make every

605
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,800
second count and you have to do
all of them at 100 out of 100

606
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,800
level.
This guy is like it.

607
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,800
I keep wanting to compare this
movie to like, a Michael Bay

608
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,400
movie, or like to Con Air or
something, because there is just

609
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,600
a level of the writing and the
direction.

610
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,400
And the acting of this movie,
seems so fueled by cocaine.

611
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,400
Then like only a certain, upper
echelon of people can reach

612
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,700
those Heights and John.
See, McGinley is doing it here.

613
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:52,500
I think they, at the time there
was, you know, the the Angry

614
00:33:52,500 --> 00:34:00,200
police captain, who is pissed
off at his unorthodox, Loose

615
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400
Cannon.
Underlings was just like an

616
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,500
established Lane for actors at
this time and they were all sort

617
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,800
of competing with each other to
see who could take it more over

618
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,400
the top and like that was
established as Like a lane in

619
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,900
which actors could absolutely go
for it.

620
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:17,500
And so, like he's competing
against the guy from Beverly

621
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:20,300
Hills Cop, he's competing
against like the guy in Lethal

622
00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,900
Weapon, he's competing against
like I'm sure there was a

623
00:34:22,908 --> 00:34:26,699
character in like Tango & Cash.
Like how many movies had like at

624
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:31,400
an angry police captain who was
pissed about that do you know

625
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,100
this crazy Loose Cannon
destroyed a whole city block

626
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:37,699
again and they had to really
like lay down the law and likes.

627
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:41,800
He's just he's doing that.
He might be the Most memorable

628
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,400
one in that, you know, in that
style of roll.

629
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,199
But what's hilarious about it is
that like, in this movie, you

630
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,699
know, in every other movie,
people are blowing up a city

631
00:34:51,699 --> 00:34:53,800
block and then they're like,
damn it, Mel Gibson.

632
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,900
You gotta rein yourself in.
And in this movie Keanu, is

633
00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:01,400
like, can I go surfing and John
Cena Gillies like, hey Jonathan?

634
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,700
Yeah, I need to go blow up a
whole city block Ray.

635
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Oh, man, I I will say I have not
watched the show in years.

636
00:35:13,700 --> 00:35:18,700
I'm a huge scrubs fan and
McGinley is like the primary

637
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:21,100
reason.
Yeah, he just has an incredible

638
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:26,300
talent for giving angry
monologues and I feel like in

639
00:35:26,300 --> 00:35:29,700
this, he's trying to like join
Beatrice straight and Robert

640
00:35:29,700 --> 00:35:32,200
Duvall.
With like the lowest amount of

641
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:38,300
screen, time to win a Best
Supporting Oscar Does he like he

642
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:42,500
is he is giving it his all as
you said Bob he's shooting his

643
00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:46,700
shot in every single scene.
All right guys, we're gonna

644
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,300
press pause here, we'll come
back after the whiskey break.

645
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,200
We'll talk a little bit about
Kathryn Bigelow and how this

646
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,000
movie fits into her groove ra,
but before we get there Brad,

647
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,600
what do you say we stop here?
Let's try this Maker's Mark.

648
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:09,400
Let's get to it, man.
Alright, so today we are

649
00:36:09,408 --> 00:36:14,700
checking out Makers Mark 101.
Brad, you know, I don't think

650
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,900
we've ever done regular Maker's
Mark on this podcast.

651
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,400
Have we?
I don't think we've had--we've

652
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,900
like tiptoed around it with all
their other Expressions.

653
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:25,300
We tried makers 46 way back in
season.

654
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:29,800
One last year we did Makers Cask
strength which was yeah I think

655
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,900
that's right we didn't we hadn't
tried a makers in like six

656
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:37,600
seasons and we loved The Cask
strength after being like kinda

657
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:42,600
iffy on 46 back in season 1.
So we're eventually we're going

658
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,300
to get around to drinking
standard Makers Mark but I think

659
00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:47,400
we're going to drink through
every other possible expression

660
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,000
that they offer first.
That's the goal, every single

661
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,500
single barrel they've ever
released, like all the other

662
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,800
options, all right?
So Maker's Mark is perhaps the

663
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:01,400
world's most famous weeded
Bourbon, and when we talk about

664
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,900
weeded bourbon, you know, Brad,
I think sometimes we forget

665
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:06,500
that, When we started this
podcast, we were very new to

666
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,700
Whiskey.
And we've done this weeks and

667
00:37:08,707 --> 00:37:12,200
weeks and weeks in a row.
This is what the 201st week in a

668
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,400
row.
We've talked about whiskey.

669
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,700
So after we say something, when
we bunch of times, we don't

670
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,800
always say it.
But this could be someone's

671
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,500
first episode of film in whiskey
and maybe they're not familiar

672
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:22,500
with.
We did bourbon.

673
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:27,600
So bourbon as a drink is
predominantly made of corn and

674
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,300
when we talk about we did
bourbon, it means that the

675
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:34,200
second most used grain to make
that whiskey is sweet.

676
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,400
Then in a lot of cases, that
makes the bourbon people like to

677
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,700
say that it kind of rounds off.
The sharp edges of the bourbon,

678
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,900
it's not as prickly as spicy as
Rye.

679
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,400
Grain is Brad and I really love
are weeded bourbon, especially

680
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,900
me.
I think it gives it a really,

681
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,900
really sweet character.
And so, what's in our glass?

682
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:55,200
Today is a weeded bourbon, it
consists of 60 percent corn, 26

683
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,500
percent red winter, wheat and
14% malted barley.

684
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,900
It's aged for at least four
years and as you might be able

685
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:05,000
to tell from the 101st, In the
name.

686
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,800
It is 50 .5 percent alcohol by
volume.

687
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,900
Yeah, honestly Baba.
When I saw this on the on the

688
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:15,700
docket I was really excited
because of how much I love that

689
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:20,000
Cask strength, which I think
comes in at, like 113, 114

690
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,100
proof.
Yeah, comes in somewhere around

691
00:38:22,100 --> 00:38:22,600
there.
Brad.

692
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,700
This 101 was initially only
offered as leg, an in-house

693
00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:29,700
Distillery only thing that you
could buy if you made the trip

694
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:33,600
to Kentucky and back in I think
2020 or 2021 they started

695
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,400
releasing it.
It as a special edition but it's

696
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,100
a you know, Nationwide
distribution.

697
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:42,200
So you can find this on shelves
near you or, you know, you could

698
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,700
just pick up a bottle of the 90
Proof Maker's Mark and a bottle

699
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,100
of The Cask strength and just
kind of mix them together.

700
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:51,100
And come out with something that
probably approximates.

701
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:53,600
This pretty well Brad.
You've been sipping on this

702
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,300
already.
I have not tried it yet.

703
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,500
So go ahead and give us your
nose notes.

704
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,600
Yeah, I give it a 7 out of 10 on
the nose.

705
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,000
I think that there's some green
apple here, a little bit of a A

706
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,400
baking spice, almost an
allspice.

707
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,500
Feel there's some cherry that's
going on which is very typical

708
00:39:11,500 --> 00:39:12,700
for a.
We did bourbon.

709
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:20,000
However, the predominant note
for me was ethanol, like I I

710
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,400
struggled to get much more than
that and there's tricks for

711
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,300
being able to, you know, kind of
clear out the nose so that

712
00:39:27,300 --> 00:39:29,000
you're not just getting the
alcohol.

713
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,600
The man I was having a really
hard time finding any other

714
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,700
notes that that I enjoy.
I'd it's decent but not great.

715
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:39,500
Like I said, seven out of ten.
Yeah, when I first poured it out

716
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:42,600
I got a lot of melon like a
really ripe cantaloupe but that

717
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,500
one away pretty quickly and it
was replaced by notes that we

718
00:39:45,500 --> 00:39:47,600
typically get on weeded
Bourbons.

719
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,400
This has a lot of like a darker
fruit note to it but for me it's

720
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,400
not the Cherry that we normally
get.

721
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:56,700
It smells almost.
Like I don't know if you've ever

722
00:39:56,700 --> 00:40:00,000
made like fresh apple sauce
before Brad but they'd almost

723
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,300
smells like when you have to
take all the peels off of like a

724
00:40:02,300 --> 00:40:05,500
red, delicious apple.
And You just have that the red

725
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:09,000
apple peel left to discard, it
has that earthiness to it with

726
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,000
just a little bit of sweetness
like behind it, but it doesn't

727
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,800
have the kind of tartness that
you normally get with an apple.

728
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,400
It's really autumnal for me.
Like I think this would be a

729
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:23,100
really good whiskey to nose and
to sip like on a fall day.

730
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:26,600
When you're watching Johnny
Utah, play for the Ohio State

731
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:27,800
Buckeyes.
You know what I mean?

732
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,200
Yeah, man, I'm gonna give it an
8 out of 10 on the nose.

733
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,700
Yeah, when I get into the actual
palette this is where I feel

734
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:38,900
like it really started to
struggle for me.

735
00:40:38,900 --> 00:40:45,300
I got the Cherry I got a lot of
like grainy corn notes coming

736
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:49,700
through and that was about it.
Once again this came across

737
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:54,600
really hot a lot of ethanol and
kind of young and grainy and

738
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,800
Anna, it's not bad.
Like you can tell that this is a

739
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,000
decent quality whiskey but it
wasn't anything that was

740
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,500
impressing me.
I give it a six.

741
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,300
Six and a half out of 10 on the
taste.

742
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:09,800
Oh I don't like this man.
Oh That was immediately bitter.

743
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:14,000
Like, bitter bitter.
It's over oaked and it's like

744
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,600
the kind of oakiness that we
usually get on the very back,

745
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,300
end of the palette On a Buffalo
Trace product.

746
00:41:19,300 --> 00:41:22,200
Except it wasn't, it was present
from the moment, it touched my

747
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,600
tongue.
It is really hot.

748
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,900
It's pretty prickly on the
palate because of the ethanol.

749
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,100
I know, you know what Brad after
we tried the makers Cask

750
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,400
strength.
I went out and bought a bottle,

751
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,700
so I just had some of that, a
few weeks ago, that's a very hot

752
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:37,400
whiskey as well.
Like it drinks, like it's on In

753
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,700
15 proof, it makes you know it
leaves its Makers Mark as it

754
00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:44,400
goes down your chest too.
So I was expecting this to have

755
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,700
a lot of that heat to it but it
is it's really really hot and

756
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:53,300
it's just an unpleasant amount
of Oak with no sweetness

757
00:41:53,300 --> 00:41:57,100
underlying.
It almost almost sour bitterness

758
00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:59,700
to it.
I do not like this, I am going

759
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:03,700
to, I'm only gonna give it a 5
out of 10 on the palate.

760
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:08,200
Yeah, the finish for me is where
that bitterness This really came

761
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,400
through.
I give it a 5 and a half out of

762
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,700
ten.
It just gets way.

763
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:19,300
Okey, it's still taste young.
There's like corn and a little

764
00:42:19,300 --> 00:42:22,400
bit of green apple coming
through at the end Bob.

765
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,600
I'm not impressed with this.
Here's the thing, I don't care

766
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,400
for the flavors.
You can still tell that this is

767
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,100
a quality made whiskey.
Like this isn't just some cheap

768
00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:37,100
ten dollar whiskey that you got,
you know, it's not Canadian.

769
00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:41,600
Just so so it has that going for
it, but I just don't care for

770
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,700
what they've created here.
Yeah, you know what man?

771
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,800
Like I don't think that this is,
it doesn't taste young to me.

772
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:52,100
It just, it just tastes like,
really, really bitter Oak.

773
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,500
And that flavor does hang around
on the finish.

774
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:58,900
I will say that the Finish
dissipates nicely and not, it's

775
00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:03,700
not a quick dissipation but it
like it's not as concentrated of

776
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:07,000
a bitter sour Oak flavor as it
is on the palette.

777
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,400
And so I think the Finish is a
little bit better just because

778
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,500
it's like a reprieve from the
palette.

779
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,300
I'll give the finish a 6 out of
10 but that's being kind of

780
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:18,900
generous.
The Finish is good because it's

781
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:20,800
finish because it's not the
bezel it.

782
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,900
Yeah, because it's not there
anymore.

783
00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:25,800
When I think about the balance
on this whiskey I don't think

784
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,400
it's balanced.
Well at all the nose promised.

785
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,000
A lot of things that the palette
and the thinnest did not deliver

786
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,100
on.
Once again, I'm just going to

787
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:35,600
give it, I'll split the
difference and give it a five

788
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,900
point five on the Yeah, I gave
it a 6 on balance.

789
00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:43,400
I think it's somewhat consistent
throughout in the flavors, it

790
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,900
presents, but none of them are
that good.

791
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,200
So, you know, like like I'm
trying to recognize the quality

792
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,700
here but also say like, I just
didn't understand what they were

793
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:57,500
going for.
I just took my bath and final

794
00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:01,200
sip of this sample that we got
Brad and like there was some

795
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,000
there's a nice little bit of
like almost like an almond

796
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,800
extract to it.
It was starting to get a little

797
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:07,700
more power.
Palatable.

798
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:10,100
But like I shouldn't have to
take four sips of something for

799
00:44:10,100 --> 00:44:13,500
it to be even palatable.
This was a disappointment man.

800
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:17,300
Yeah I was in say usually if
you're new to tasting whiskey,

801
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,500
always reserve your judgment
after the first sip because like

802
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,800
a lot of times if you haven't
been drinking anything that

803
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,600
first sip will come across a
little harsh even on an 80. 85

804
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,300
proof whiskey, wait for the
second sip to really start

805
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,900
judging the whiskey, but if it
takes you four or five steps to

806
00:44:34,908 --> 00:44:37,100
be like, oh this is kind of
getting decent.

807
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,500
Aunt, it's not a good whiskey.
Like it, it should reveal itself

808
00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:45,900
on the second, maybe the third
sip, here's the problem Bob.

809
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,600
In general.
I I didn't find a price on this

810
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,200
in the state of Ohio, but in
general, it seems like this

811
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,700
whiskey retails for around 45
dollars.

812
00:44:57,300 --> 00:45:00,300
That is you might not have.
This is not a 45 dollar whiskey

813
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:02,200
Bob.
I'm going to punish this even

814
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,100
more harshly than I normally
would because makers, Cask

815
00:45:05,100 --> 00:45:08,700
strength is also about $45.
Yep.

816
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:14,700
So you're getting a more
concentrated product and a much,

817
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:18,100
much better product for
essentially domain rice.

818
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,700
Like this is a no-brainer Brad.
This, this is not good.

819
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:24,300
And also, it is the same price
as the one.

820
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:28,200
That is very good.
I'm going to give this a 3 out

821
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,000
of 10 on value.
Look at us, man.

822
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,600
I give it a 3 out of 10 to.
Hey, I love it when we're harsh

823
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,300
together.
Yeah.

824
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,600
It's like we're like our own
buddy.

825
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,300
Cop movie Brad.
This is a very low score and I'm

826
00:45:41,308 --> 00:45:45,400
super bummed because I wanted to
like this makers Cask strength

827
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,500
redeemed this entire brand for
me.

828
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:50,400
Not that it needed a demon, you
know what I mean?

829
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000
But like my, my recollection of
regular makers was that it was

830
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,200
not very good and tasted almost
kind of chemically.

831
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,800
Makers 46 was okay but nothing
to write home about and then

832
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,200
that makers Cask strength was
one of the highest-rated

833
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,300
Whiskey's of last season.
Yeah.

834
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,300
This is not going to be a
spoiler alert.

835
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:10,000
One of the highest-rated
Whiskey's of this season.

836
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,800
I'm coming out to a 27 and a
half out of 50.

837
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,500
Yeah, you're a half Point lower
than me Bob.

838
00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:17,200
I'm going to 28.
Wow.

839
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:24,600
So we are at a twenty seven
point seven, five or a 55.5 out

840
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,300
of 100.
This is a very low score.

841
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:29,700
I am not going to recommend
buying.

842
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:34,200
I have not going to recommend
trying just do something else

843
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,100
that stamp of disapproval.
Oh man, I'm trying to think of

844
00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:41,500
like some fun.
Clever segue back into Point

845
00:46:41,500 --> 00:46:44,700
Break, but I can't really think
of any except to say Point Break

846
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,400
deserved a better whiskey than
this Brad.

847
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,900
Yeah, it really did just like
lagavulin 16 deserved a better

848
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:52,000
movie than it.
Got.

849
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,100
All right man.
What do you say?

850
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:57,300
We get back to talking with
Vince and talking about Point

851
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,900
Break.
Let's get to it.

852
00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,900
All right, everybody.
That was Makers.

853
00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:09,800
Mark 101.
A whiskey that I personally did

854
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,100
not enjoy.
You were not a fan of that one

855
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:14,000
Brad.
No, no bueno.

856
00:47:14,100 --> 00:47:17,100
When do they put that out?
It's only been a couple years.

857
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:23,200
I want to say like 21 years ago,
2018, 2019, because it's usually

858
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,800
like forty three or four.
Like, I feel like there was a

859
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,200
controversy, a few years back
where they, they lowered the

860
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,100
proof by 1% people got pissed
off or something like that.

861
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,400
No, that was like a real.
Yeah, that was a real thing.

862
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,500
They, they dropped and I think
to 80 proof like they're regular

863
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,700
Makers, Mark and then people
revolted so much that they were

864
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:44,500
like, just kidding, it's still
90 proof or whatever and they

865
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:46,500
didn't do it, but yeah, Yeah.
That was what there that was

866
00:47:46,500 --> 00:47:49,100
with their original one and then
they came out with this 101

867
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:52,500
proofer just a couple years ago
until like makeup.

868
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,000
Yeah.
In fact, we're going to raise it

869
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,500
10%, right?
All right.

870
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:03,000
Well we know that the world has
revolted against Maker's Mark

871
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,700
trying to lower their proof but
we do know for a fact that

872
00:48:06,700 --> 00:48:08,800
Canada has a favorite segment of
our show.

873
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,800
Bob they sure do.
It's the segment that we like to

874
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:19,100
call to facts and a falsehood
Try to stop you ball to all

875
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:21,900
right.
And what is wrong?

876
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:25,600
Two facts, in a faucet to facts
in a falsehood is the part of

877
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,700
the podcast where Brad presents
three items about the making of

878
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:32,000
this movie.
To me all of them presented as

879
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,100
fact, one of, which is a
complete fabrication and lie

880
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,700
that I have to suss out Brad, I
have done.

881
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:41,900
Absolutely no research on the
making of this movie, actually,

882
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:44,200
where I got a couple Kathryn
Bigelow books out of the

883
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,400
library.
When we first This miniseries.

884
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,700
So I read some stuff about this
movie three weeks ago and

885
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:54,400
probably forgot it all by now.
So Bob, I feel like the public

886
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,000
library systems should be should
be sponsoring our podcast.

887
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Hey listen, man, way your we do
your shout them out every week.

888
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,200
We're doing a Charlie Chaplin
miniseries.

889
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,400
Starting next week, I have 12
books on hold at the library

890
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,000
about old Charlie right now.
So yeah, of course you do know

891
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,100
what, here's another quick aside
I had to do like a whole search

892
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:18,500
of The public libraries in Ohio
to find three Kathryn Bigelow

893
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:21,300
books.
I've got 12 bucks on Charlie

894
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:25,100
Chaplin on hold right now at the
library, let that speak for

895
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,000
itself even more more, more time
to write about it.

896
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,900
That will go with that.
All right.

897
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:33,300
Brad, hit me with your two facts
in a falsehood fact.

898
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:36,300
Number one bra.
Did you know, that Patrick

899
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:39,300
Swayze was totally rad and took
headers out of sky planes.

900
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,700
Like, all the time, hitting us.
Rip, tides, and floating down

901
00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:45,400
all nice.
And he did at least 55 times.

902
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,000
Times during the shooting of
this movie.

903
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,700
Are you gonna do this whole
thing?

904
00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:52,900
And that, that this is a bit
that I do not want to commit to,

905
00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:54,700
I've just got to stir this in
and put this out here.

906
00:49:54,700 --> 00:49:59,100
Right now as a California, I
find this very offensive but

907
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:01,100
culture is not your costume, but
it's good.

908
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:08,700
Fact, number two, did you know
that the scene that that coup

909
00:50:08,700 --> 00:50:11,500
Keanu Reeves a total Jake and
makes the Nazi Surfer.

910
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:14,800
Take a dive Keanu, nearly met
David Jones himself in the

911
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,900
ensuing fight choking in enough
water to sing a shark.

912
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,200
Wow!
Okay, that number three.

913
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Did you know?
That Kathryn Bigelow was a real

914
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,500
bro.
Looking out for dude Keanu

915
00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:29,200
Reeves and she fought to give
him the role over a bunch of

916
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,000
other guys.
Like Johnny Depp.

917
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:37,900
All right, so to translate this
into The King's English, The

918
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:41,700
King's English, huh?
It's working on like way way in

919
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:44,000
the other direction.
Oh, we've got, we've got a king

920
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,100
in England again.
Yeah Queens dead having right

921
00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:48,400
now.
Where have you been?

922
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,500
All right, this is Savannah.
Not fax number one, Swayze

923
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:55,900
jumped out of a plane at least
55 times fact.

924
00:50:55,900 --> 00:50:59,000
Number two.
Yep Keanu, almost drowned fact,

925
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,200
number three, a Bigelow fought
for Kion.

926
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,800
New.
I'm gonna.

927
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,800
So first of all, I'm going to
tap in Vince if I need a phone,

928
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,900
a friend here because this is
like his favorite movie.

929
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:11,000
So I'm going to just assume
Vince.

930
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,600
I think number three is true.
This sounds like something

931
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,100
Bigelow would do and you know,
Keanu had made a few movies

932
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:23,000
before this.
Number one, sounds plausible to

933
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,600
have to agree with that.
Yeah, I'm gonna say Swayze

934
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,000
diving out of a plane sounds
like.

935
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,800
So I just like, Patrick Swayze
and I want to assume that my guy

936
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,700
was was jumping out of planes
but number two also sounds

937
00:51:33,700 --> 00:51:38,700
plausible that that Reeves could
have almost drowned because it

938
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:41,800
just it lines up with his
ineptitude in this movie at

939
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,500
being a good FBI agents.
Oh, Man, I don't know.

940
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:47,900
It seems like the bigger star,
so you have to, you have to

941
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:50,800
weigh this against like would
the with the production?

942
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Let him jump out of an airplane
55 times.

943
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,200
Or would they be like, you know,
would there be an insurance guy

944
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,700
there?
Being like you can't do this.

945
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,800
This is true, this weird.
It was in a pre Cruise jumping

946
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,400
out of planes world, so the
insurance may have had more to

947
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,800
say about it at the time.
All right, on on Vince's caveat

948
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:17,100
here, I'm gonna go ahead and say
One is the falsehood Brad Nagi

949
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:21,200
that came really close.
I almost lost Bob but Vince.

950
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,200
Damn good-looking, who iced.
I knew I steered him wrong.

951
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,800
Yeah, good looking out.
Number two, is the falsehood.

952
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,200
Yeah, Vince.
Come on, man.

953
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:34,500
Sorry, I'm sorry.
I mean, I was with you.

954
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:36,700
I think that it was definitely
between the first two because

955
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:39,700
it's like, sure he could have
choked on some water like that.

956
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:43,100
See, maybe that's why it should
have been the obvious falsehood.

957
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,400
Because it seems to plausible.
So, here's the thing, Gary Busey

958
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:51,200
said that, like, Patrick
literally, was constantly trying

959
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,400
to get him to jump out of a
plane with him.

960
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:56,600
It's just, that sounds like the
best thing in the world Gary

961
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,300
Busey.
Like, not, not like jumping out

962
00:52:59,300 --> 00:53:03,100
of the same time but being like
the co do you handle?

963
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:06,700
Yeah.
But apparently, they actually

964
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,900
went skydiving together after
the, the movie was completed.

965
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,400
That's all I could see its.
I wanted to do a caveat for In

966
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,100
correctly, identifying this as
being pre Gary Busey motorcycle

967
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,600
accident, that was actually like
three years earlier, I could see

968
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,500
Gary Busey be like, hey man, I
already crushed my skull.

969
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:26,000
Once I don't think I want to
jump out of an airplane.

970
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,300
Maybe not interested.
Yeah, at least until the pay

971
00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:33,700
check clears.
All right, Vince, this is one of

972
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:36,400
your favorite films.
I want to just turn the floor

973
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,800
over to you a little bit here.
When you look at Point Break in

974
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,400
the Canon of awesome action
movies, Like, where is this one

975
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,100
Landing for you.
And why is this one so

976
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:48,200
significant?
And like, you know, we were

977
00:53:48,207 --> 00:53:50,800
talking a little bit off?
Are you mentioning that you

978
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,900
think this movie actually
started a trend?

979
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,700
So I'm interested to hear more
about like why this one is so

980
00:53:55,700 --> 00:53:58,900
special to you, I do.
I mean, well, first of all if

981
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:02,000
you've ever seen Hot Fuzz which
I think is an excellent movie,

982
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,600
there's like a very like direct
homage to Point Break where you

983
00:54:06,607 --> 00:54:08,900
know he's looking at he's
watching Point Break and like

984
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:13,000
the whole third Act of Hot Fuzz
is very clearly like inspired

985
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,600
Bye Point Break, but also, this
is the week, I don't know when

986
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,100
you guys are posting this, but
this is, this is the week of

987
00:54:20,107 --> 00:54:24,900
release of fast 10, the 10th
Fast and the Furious movie.

988
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:29,800
And so that's clearly like one
of our most influential action

989
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,100
franchises and if you go back
and watch the first Fast and the

990
00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:36,900
Furious movie, it really is
Point Break with cars.

991
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:39,800
Like it is the exact same
format.

992
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,400
The characters are the same.
It's a A cop that's trying to

993
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,500
infiltrate a gang of you know,
cool Street Racers like this

994
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:53,500
movie is clearly very
influential to a lot of the

995
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:58,000
people making action movies
these days and it's also just

996
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,300
really great.
I think for me that was kind of

997
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:06,500
the takeaway that I had walking
away from Point Break was like

998
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,900
this very easily could be like a
seed a C+ movie.

999
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,800
That nobody would ever watch
again.

1000
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,300
That has like a 6.1 on IMDb,
right?

1001
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:24,300
And yet there's something about
the movie that goes so hard and

1002
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:28,600
feels authentic.
Like, and I think it comes back

1003
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,400
to Patrick Swayze, but I like to
use this word what I'm talking

1004
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,000
about things.
I like a lot.

1005
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:39,200
This movie just feels sincere.
Mmm, like yeah, it feels

1006
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,000
incredibly sincere and Earnest
like it.

1007
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:46,200
Wants you to enjoy the movie.
And I think that that's

1008
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,500
something that a lot of
directors could learn from.

1009
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:51,700
And I think that's where, like,
Bigelow shines the most in this,

1010
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,800
you know, as the Director of
this film.

1011
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,800
Yeah.
I also think like a lot of the

1012
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,900
best action, movies are ones
where the villain is like kind

1013
00:55:58,900 --> 00:56:00,700
of, right?
Like the where the villain has

1014
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:06,600
like a very compelling argument
and you know, bodhi's whole

1015
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:11,300
monologue about, you not wanting
to be like these people stuck in

1016
00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:14,800
there, whatever Steel.
You know, there's still coffins

1017
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,300
going to work everyday, like
he's convincing you that the rat

1018
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:21,300
race sucks and he's kind of
right about that.

1019
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:26,100
And there's also a lot of movies
where, you know, like the cop

1020
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:30,400
procedural format is popular for
a reason because it has like a

1021
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,300
very obvious like beginning and
end.

1022
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:36,100
And you're trying to solve a
mystery, but most of the time

1023
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,500
when they're doing that it ends
up being about how like cops are

1024
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:42,800
cool.
You know, this movie like Keanu

1025
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:48,700
is Is like, he's an FBI agent
and he does his job, but he he

1026
00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:53,000
clearly get seduced by some of
bodis ideas and it sort of, and

1027
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:59,000
it makes him treat his job with
the proper amount of distance.

1028
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,900
I think like he, he lets in the
end he lets Bodie go and, you

1029
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:06,100
know, and die on this on this
wave.

1030
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,300
And on his own terms.
Yeah.

1031
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:10,300
Yeah.
And I think that's like the key

1032
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:11,500
philosophy.
The movie right?

1033
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:14,900
Is that this culture Doesn't
allow people to live life as

1034
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:17,600
they would actually live it, if
they had freedom.

1035
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,900
And you know, Bodie is allowed
to ride off into the sunset, if

1036
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:23,400
you will.
Yeah, they're all searching for

1037
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,300
their little piece of freedom.
And that's sort of, you know,

1038
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:28,400
Pappas the Gary Busey's
character.

1039
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,100
Like, he sort of represents what
happens.

1040
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:35,700
If you go the other direction
and you sort of become, you come

1041
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:39,700
become jaded and cynical and and
you find your, you find your

1042
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:42,700
moments of happiness in like
boy, this Calvin and Hobbes is

1043
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:44,500
fun.
Yeah, yeah, give me a meatball

1044
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:46,700
sub.
Yeah, guy can eat that sand out

1045
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:51,300
of a rhinoceros right now.
He's, he's just gorging.

1046
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,800
And he's enjoying stupid things
because that is his only release

1047
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,600
and Keanu has found this whole
other thing that serves him much

1048
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,700
better in that way.
So Brad, I want to go back to

1049
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:05,400
something.
You were saying a bit ago about

1050
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:09,200
Kathryn Bigelow's Direction, and
the overall Vibe of this movie

1051
00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,900
being very sincere and honestly,
kind of sweet.

1052
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,100
For a movie with pretty brutal
violence like it has that sort

1053
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:21,700
of Lethal Weapon, Die Hard style
violence in it, but the heart of

1054
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:24,600
the movie is a very sincere
beating heart.

1055
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,800
And I think that like, you know,
earlier I was comparing this to

1056
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,000
a Michael Bay movie and I feel
like that's honestly like one of

1057
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,400
the bigger points of Disconnect
between this and a Michael Bay

1058
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,700
movie.
I think based movies are all

1059
00:58:36,700 --> 00:58:38,800
incredibly cynical and they
author.

1060
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:42,700
All kind of mean spirited and I
love Michael like ambulance, one

1061
00:58:42,700 --> 00:58:46,900
of my Favorite theatrical
experiences of the last year, it

1062
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:50,500
was ridiculous and dumb and fun
and I loved it but it didn't

1063
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:53,900
have the sort of sincerity and
earnestness that a movie like

1064
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:55,100
this did.
Yeah.

1065
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,200
I've had this theory for a long
time that everyone in a Michael

1066
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,700
Bay movie is either a slut or a
clown like that he divides the

1067
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:06,100
entire world into like either
you are sexually attractive or

1068
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:10,300
you are like a funny loser and
that sort of like it sort of

1069
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:13,000
holds through like every single
character.

1070
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,600
Dirt a Michael Bay movie, like
you wouldn't really find a Bodhi

1071
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:22,000
in a Michael Bay movie because
he's yeah, there's like I agree.

1072
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,900
There's like a level of
earnestness that you probably

1073
00:59:25,900 --> 00:59:30,700
don't get in any of those Vince.
That is the most incredible

1074
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:35,800
opening line to a David Fincher,
movie I've ever heard in my

1075
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,300
life.
Everyone in the world is either

1076
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:40,900
a slut.
Iraq loud in the future.

1077
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,800
Alright.
So I've praised Bigelow a little

1078
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,700
bit forgiving this movie, it's
sincerity, but at the same time

1079
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:56,000
Brad if I'm being frank, I do
think that the Bigelow of 2009

1080
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:01,000
would have directed this movie
better than the Bigelow of 1991.

1081
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,900
Because you know especially
unlike the opening minutes of

1082
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:07,900
the movie when they show the
very first bank robbery, there

1083
01:00:07,900 --> 01:00:12,100
is so much like rapid editing
that it gave me Whiplash.

1084
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:15,500
And it was Most incoherent.
And I think that as the movie

1085
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:18,500
goes on, you get used to the
rhythm of the film.

1086
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,000
And so it's not entirely on her.
I think it's on the editing a

1087
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,100
little bit too, but I just one
of the things we love so much,

1088
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,600
about The Hurt Locker, was that
even in these kind of big open,

1089
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:35,000
you know, roads and burnt-out
shell doubt, Middle Eastern

1090
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,800
cities.
You always had a sense of

1091
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,700
geography, and I feel like in
this movie, it takes a long time

1092
01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:42,900
for Bigelow to kind of
establish, some of those things.

1093
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,700
Yeah, I'm 100% with you.
I think that what you're seeing

1094
01:00:46,700 --> 01:00:51,000
here is a young director who's
like getting her feet under her.

1095
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,300
And I love going back to movies
like this in a director's

1096
01:00:55,300 --> 01:00:59,700
catalog because it gives you an
opportunity to see their growth,

1097
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,900
you know, like like we're not
interested in people just being

1098
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,200
the capital O oscar-winning
directors.

1099
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,000
Like I am interested in seeing
them when they're still figuring

1100
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,500
things out.
And so the I think this movie

1101
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:15,000
stands is a really cool.
Adamant to the talent that she

1102
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,500
already had that, you know,
Hollywood recognized and was

1103
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:22,100
like, Hey like we need to get
this girl behind the camera and

1104
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,400
then that eventually led to her
not just being behind the

1105
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,100
camera, but being up on stage
receiving, an Oscar.

1106
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:30,800
Well, I mean, In fairness, like
this was her fourth, or fifth

1107
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,700
movie as a director.
She'd been making movies for

1108
01:01:32,700 --> 01:01:34,300
over a decade already at this
point.

1109
01:01:34,300 --> 01:01:37,400
So, I, you know, I think in a
lot of ways, this movie is just

1110
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,900
kind of Trapped in 1991, and she
was a little bit swayed.

1111
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:46,300
By some of the stylistic choices
that were like, this movie does

1112
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:47,700
have a lot of Lethal Weapon in
it.

1113
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:49,800
It just really does.
It has a lot of Die Hard in it.

1114
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,400
It's die hard on a beach and in
a lot of ways, I mean you got a

1115
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,700
hot naked woman that throws a
pit bull at you in the middle of

1116
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,600
like a Chase sequence so you
don't really get that anymore.

1117
01:01:59,700 --> 01:02:01,900
That's what we are.
Missing in Hollywood movies

1118
01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:05,600
today.
If I was to say that the early

1119
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:09,700
the like late 80s, early 90s
nudity, he definitely threw me

1120
01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:11,500
for a loop for a second.
I was like, wait, are you

1121
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:16,500
allowed to do that?
Ya know, every every like late

1122
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:21,000
80s to mid 90s action movie,
just had like surprise boobs at

1123
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:28,500
some point size, boobs, Vince.
You need to be on every episode

1124
01:02:28,500 --> 01:02:31,800
man.
I mean, remember Demolition Man

1125
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,500
or he's like we're like
Sylvester, Stallone gets like a

1126
01:02:35,500 --> 01:02:38,100
call on the video phone which
was like, you know, that was

1127
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:39,200
all.
Is the future right?

1128
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,800
A video of right and like his he
just gets a random wrong number

1129
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,200
which apparently is still
somehow still a thing in the the

1130
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,500
video phone future and it seems
like a naked lady.

1131
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:49,600
Like, I go.
Yeah.

1132
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,000
They're my example, is always
the very first National

1133
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,900
Lampoon's Vacation, where not
only do you get Christie

1134
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:59,300
Brinkley naked, but then they
have a random shot of Beverly

1135
01:02:59,300 --> 01:03:02,800
D'Angelo in the shower.
Just be a naked for no reason,

1136
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,200
you know, it's the 80s, man.
Everyone has to be naked.

1137
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:08,200
Yeah, you just had to have one
in there.

1138
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:10,000
Or somewhere.
Otherwise people I have no one's

1139
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,300
gonna see this.
If the people are expecting that

1140
01:03:12,300 --> 01:03:13,900
we can't let him down, all
right?

1141
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:17,000
I have one more question for you
guys and it's about the very end

1142
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,600
of the movie.
So setting aside the

1143
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,100
preposterousness of the plot
like Keanu Reeves has purposely

1144
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:28,600
allowed Patrick Swayze to to
Globetrotter for a year and so

1145
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,400
that he can, he can catch this
wave in Australia.

1146
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,900
And his plan is basically, to
let him go out on his own terms.

1147
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:38,000
And, you know, all these FBI
guys are like, what the hell did

1148
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,300
you do?
What are you doing here?

1149
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,800
Why are you gonna let him Surf?
And he goes, no one can survive

1150
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:43,700
that.
And it's this cool way of

1151
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:45,700
sending off his character and
you think there's going to be

1152
01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:49,700
this nice little fade out and
then in true late 80s.

1153
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:53,700
Early 90s brutality fashion like
they cut back that way.

1154
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,800
One more shot of the ocean
crushing Patrick, Swayze to

1155
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:03,000
death, and then they fade out
like just the most unnecessary

1156
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,300
final shot of a movie I've ever
seen.

1157
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,800
I feel like it's completely
Necessary.

1158
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,900
I feel like he let him, I don't
think he let him go to serve to,

1159
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:15,800
like, Globetrotter on purpose.
It was just he he knew that he'd

1160
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,100
failed at that point, as an FBI
agent because he couldn't shoot

1161
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:22,700
this guy that he was to
infatuated with.

1162
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,900
So he lets him get away and he's
been kicking himself for it this

1163
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:28,500
entire time, you know?
And so he goes and finds him on

1164
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:32,900
the beach and, you know, he lets
them, he lets him surf himself

1165
01:04:32,900 --> 01:04:35,800
to death, but he doesn't let him
get away.

1166
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,200
It's sort of sure.
It's sort of finds the middle.

1167
01:04:38,300 --> 01:04:41,500
On there and I think if you
watch like the Fast and the

1168
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:45,600
Furious that is sort of like the
oops all frosting version of

1169
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,100
Point Break where like, you
know, like what if the cop just

1170
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:51,400
went fully native and they
became best buddies and they

1171
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,000
started like cool gang together,
like right that, you know, like

1172
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:01,000
this was an effort to give it
some like fatalism and you know

1173
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,500
some reality to it some
consequences.

1174
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,700
Yeah, some consequences.
Well, I guess I'm so used to

1175
01:05:06,700 --> 01:05:11,000
like in 2023 Me when everything
is IP driven and everything is

1176
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,900
setting itself up for a sequel.
I just love that.

1177
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:18,100
Kathryn Bigelow's like know and
also just in case you might be

1178
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:21,500
expecting a sequel crushed to
death by a wave.

1179
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:24,600
Yeah.
That this is a yeah, but when

1180
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,000
characters are characters, you
know, they can die when their IP

1181
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,600
that's just like flushing your
nft down the toilet.

1182
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,000
Yeah, I'm not gonna can't do
that.

1183
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:34,200
I was just say, though, if this
is the Fast and the Furious

1184
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,100
franchise, he would come back
somehow.

1185
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:41,700
He was yes, like Somehow someway
a clone of him, or I like, I

1186
01:05:41,707 --> 01:05:44,500
don't know, somehow, Patrick
Swayze would make it back into

1187
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:46,600
the movies.
And by the way, like, well, you

1188
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,200
know, we talked about Johnny
Utah and that being like, an

1189
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,400
awesomely ridiculous action.
Movie character named, like, the

1190
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,000
reason you have to see the
Remake is they try to explain

1191
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,300
why he's named Johnny Utah,
which is hilarious.

1192
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:02,300
Like Luke bracelet.
He's this like Australian hunk

1193
01:06:02,300 --> 01:06:04,800
plays Johnny Utah.
And at one point, he has like a

1194
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,900
very serious monologue where
he's like, the Utah Ah, it's

1195
01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:11,600
from it's actually native
American from from the Ute

1196
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,400
Indian.
It means it means mountain

1197
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,500
people.
I guess that's why I was so good

1198
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:24,600
on the, slopes the writing is
impeccable as dumb as you think.

1199
01:06:24,700 --> 01:06:28,900
The original Point Break is like
the the sequel just takes it.

1200
01:06:29,100 --> 01:06:32,400
So many levels further also Brad
you know just before we go to

1201
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,900
our final segment of the day I
do have to remind both of us

1202
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:38,100
that as ridiculous as we think
the name.

1203
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:44,400
I'm Johnny Utah is our given
names are Bob book and Brad G

1204
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,300
like these are these are
fictional names if I've ever

1205
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:50,400
heard that, I don't know what
you're talking about.

1206
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,800
Bob I have the greatest name in
the history of famous.

1207
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,300
All right guys, it is time for
our final segment of the day

1208
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,200
which we call.
Let's make it a double we near

1209
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,300
the end of the episode.
So thanks for listening to the

1210
01:07:04,300 --> 01:07:07,400
film and whiskey show the spare
another film with this one.

1211
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,800
Even if it's struggle, it's a
final segment of the day.

1212
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,200
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it.

1213
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,900
A double is the part of the
show, where we pick a movie to

1214
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:19,200
pair up with this one to make
the perfect double feature guys,

1215
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,700
I'll just get mine out of the
way real quick.

1216
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:23,000
I've been talking about these
Michael Bay movies.

1217
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:24,400
I'm going to go with a Michael
Bay knock.

1218
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:29,800
Off movie, which is 1997's, I
think Con Air, which is a movie

1219
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,300
that is equally as Preposterous
as this and equally as

1220
01:07:33,300 --> 01:07:37,400
incoherent in Parts, both from a
plot standpoint and from a like

1221
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,100
editing standpoint.
And I just think that there is a

1222
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:45,000
certain level of over-the-top
drug-fueled supporting

1223
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,500
performances that we don't get
any more and when you watch John

1224
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:52,800
Malkovich and Conair he's like
matching jhansi McGinley beat

1225
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,500
for beat so I'm pairing.
Us up with Conair, have a great

1226
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:59,000
ridiculous night of things
happening on planes.

1227
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:02,800
I think, for me, I'm going to go
with the movie.

1228
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,400
I incorrectly said earlier
earlier, I said the other guys,

1229
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,800
but what I meant to say was the
nice guys.

1230
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:13,200
I think that that is one of the
funniest movies and it has

1231
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:18,100
surprise boobs.
So, it clearly a match for Point

1232
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:21,500
Break.
I think the nice guys would be a

1233
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:23,700
great pairing for a really fun
night.

1234
01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:26,500
You said the other guys and I
heard the nice guys.

1235
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:28,100
Anyway.
Yeah I didn't even know where

1236
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:32,500
did that.
I yeah, yeah I have three

1237
01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:35,000
choices and I can't.
I've already mentioned all of

1238
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,399
them.
So I probably, you know, I've

1239
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:38,600
already stepped on this.
But, you know, I think the Fast

1240
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,100
and the Furious is Point Break
with cars.

1241
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:45,300
It's like the same movie.
It has the same DNA of like

1242
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:49,300
let's capitalize on this cool
subculture by turning it into

1243
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:53,600
like a cops and robbers movie.
Like that would be a great

1244
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,300
double.
Sure, I also think Hot Fuzz just

1245
01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:59,899
because it's, you know, a
heavily references Point Break

1246
01:08:59,899 --> 01:09:04,100
and it's just a really fun movie
and, you know, just in general

1247
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:05,800
or we're big Edgar Wright fans
on this pain.

1248
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:06,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

1249
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:11,000
I am too.
And and, and also the Point

1250
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:16,000
Break remake, which is just
awesomely stupid, and I think

1251
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:19,800
there needs to be a serious
reappraisal of that movie

1252
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:24,100
because it is, it's a fantastic
bad, good.

1253
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,600
Movie.
Alright, so there you have it.

1254
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,700
Vince has given us a quadruple
feature, call off work.

1255
01:09:29,899 --> 01:09:32,100
Spend eight hours watching all
these movies.

1256
01:09:32,100 --> 01:09:34,000
Yeah, why not?
Let's take a seat.

1257
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,700
Take a Saturday, good work your
way through them.

1258
01:09:36,899 --> 01:09:38,899
All right let's give this movie
some final scores.

1259
01:09:38,899 --> 01:09:40,600
Now Vince is your first time
joining us.

1260
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,200
When we score out a movie, we
give it a score one to ten.

1261
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:46,899
You can give half Point
increments but nothing more

1262
01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:48,700
granular than that.
We're not going to be giving

1263
01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:51,800
like an IMDb eight point six out
of ten.

1264
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:55,200
So Brad Why don't you kick us
off?

1265
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,800
What do you give in Point Break?
I think that Point Break is.

1266
01:09:58,900 --> 01:10:04,600
It's truly a really fun little
movie from the 90s that reaches

1267
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,700
higher than its script should
allow it to.

1268
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:13,300
I think that this is like a six
and a half to seven movie that

1269
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:18,700
somehow just it it moves itself
in a way that I was really

1270
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:22,000
impressed with, I will give it a
seven and a half out of ten.

1271
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,400
I'm gonna go ahead and give it
an 8 out of 10 and it's one of

1272
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,900
those eights that's like we've
given Capital oh Oscar winners.

1273
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:33,900
An 8 out of 10 and they are like
they're shooting for something

1274
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:35,500
bigger than what this movie is
shooting.

1275
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:39,800
For this movie is like almost as
good as a movie like this can be

1276
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:43,400
and I think to your point Brad
you put anybody else in the

1277
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,500
Patrick Swayze roll.
This is like a six-and-a-half

1278
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:49,500
movie I think Swayze by himself
takes this movie up to being an

1279
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:53,600
8 out of 10 for me.
So Vince I just To see Sylvester

1280
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:58,300
Stallone in that rule, but with
a blond wig though.

1281
01:10:58,300 --> 01:11:01,000
Yes.
But that means we would have

1282
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,100
bearded Stallone back and as we
all know, bearded Stallone is

1283
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:07,600
the most attractive still of
this is objectively.

1284
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,800
True, it's science.
All right, Vince, what are you

1285
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,400
coming out to on point break?
I can't think of any reason not

1286
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,600
to give it a 10 so I'm going to
have to give it a 10.

1287
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,500
I feel like there's so many
classic action movies from this

1288
01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:23,300
period like Die Hard.
Lethal Weapon.

1289
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:29,500
Lethal Weapon 2 but I feel like
I would rather watch re-watch

1290
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:31,500
Point Break than almost any of
them.

1291
01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:35,800
It's just it's it's classic for
being kind of dumb and it's

1292
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,700
classic for, being way better
than it should be.

1293
01:11:39,700 --> 01:11:43,800
It's just yeah, it's just, it's
a ball of fun.

1294
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,600
I love it.
Vince, I have to say you are the

1295
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:52,400
first guest who's ever just like
stuck to his guns.

1296
01:11:52,900 --> 01:11:55,200
Like we've had so many people
come on and be like, yeah,

1297
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,900
absolutely.
Love this movie and and Bob and

1298
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:59,500
I are like, yeah, sure.
It's like seven f8.

1299
01:11:59,500 --> 01:12:01,800
And they're like, yeah, it's a
eight and a half.

1300
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,900
No, Vince comes in here and he's
like, 10 out of 10.

1301
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,100
I love this movie.
That is the energy we want on

1302
01:12:09,100 --> 01:12:14,600
the film and whiskey podcast.
You know, I bet it's been 27

1303
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,200
years, six years.
Yeah. 27 years or something like

1304
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,500
that since it came out.
And yeah.

1305
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:24,000
And I still love it.
Like what's it stand?

1306
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,900
This tent is withstood the test
of time and I feel like there's

1307
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:30,200
no there's no better measure of
quality than that.

1308
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,800
Yeah, 100% man.
All right, as we wind down today

1309
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,900
Vince I want to give you the
opportunity to plug anything

1310
01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:38,100
that you have coming up.
Tell us a little bit about your

1311
01:12:38,100 --> 01:12:39,600
sub stack and where we can find
you.

1312
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,100
You can find my sub stack at
Vince Mancini, dotsub stack.com.

1313
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:48,500
Like I said, I asked an AI to
write a scene from That's Amore

1314
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:51,000
and I think it think they did a
superb job.

1315
01:12:51,100 --> 01:12:56,000
But I also have a couple of
podcasts pod yourself a gun, was

1316
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:01,000
our podcast about The Sopranos.
We Go episode by episode and

1317
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,900
talk about each of them with you
know a celebrity guest.

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And we finished all of The
Sopranos and we are doing a

1319
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sequel, second season of that,
which is called pod yourself the

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wire on the same feed.
Yeah.

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So go check those out Vince.
It has been an Pleasure having

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01:13:21,900 --> 01:13:23,200
you.
You know, we've had a ton of

1323
01:13:23,208 --> 01:13:25,900
guests on this podcast.
It's pretty rare that somebody

1324
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:28,700
comes on and just like
immediately gets the vibe of the

1325
01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:33,200
show like team wouldn't it like
truly seamless we had to take a

1326
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,100
break about 10 minutes into
recording folks.

1327
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:38,900
So Vince could in his words pull
some peel off off of the stove

1328
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:46,600
which is about to do it and
insanely specific request but as

1329
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,900
he was getting his pilaf, I just
Brad and I were just like man,

1330
01:13:49,900 --> 01:13:53,600
this guy fits right in In the so
like usually thank you so much

1331
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,100
for bringing the Vibes to filmin
Whiskey today, man.

1332
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,100
Oh, thank you for having me.
I had a great time.

1333
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:01,100
All right.
We will be back next week as we

1334
01:14:01,100 --> 01:14:06,000
transition out of Kathryn
Bigelow and into the early 1930s

1335
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,600
to do.
Our first series of at least,

1336
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,700
some of them are silent films.
We're going to be looking at the

1337
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:16,800
films of Charlie Chaplin Brad
with 1931 s City Lights which is

1338
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,100
regarded as perhaps chaplains,
Masterpiece.

1339
01:14:19,300 --> 01:14:20,700
Join us for that one.
It's gonna be really

1340
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:22,200
interesting.
Going to dive into a silent

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,600
movie and so we'll see you next
week for that.

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01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,100
But until then, I'm Bob book,
I'm Reggie, and I'm Vincent

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01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:31,000
Mancini, and we'll see you next
time.