Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl / Sam Houston 15 Year Bourbon

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In 2003, director Gore Verbinski
and star Johnny Depp gave the

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world a rip roaring adventure
featuring pirates, curses and

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all sorts of early 2000 CGI.
In 2024, we wonder if a Barton

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by any other name will smell as
sweet.

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The film is Pirates of the
Caribbean, Curse of the Black

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Pearl.
The whiskey is Sam Houston 15

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year bourbon.
And we'll review them both.

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This is the Film and Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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Brad, I am very excited for this
week's movie, which is called

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Pirates of the Caribbean Colon,
the Curse of the Black Pearl.

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And I'm excited for it, Brad,
for a number of reasons.

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But this feels like in a lot of
ways, a turning point for this

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season of the podcast.
And folks, if this is your first

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episode with us, welcome aboard.
This season, what we're doing is

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we're reviewing movies that were
the highest grossing films of

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each year from 1988 to 2019.
We are in the smack dab in the

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middle of the early 2000s here.
And we've been teasing or I

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guess foreshadowing what is to
come with the Disney and Marvel

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vacation of everything.
And this feels like the first

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real foretaste of what is in
store for us, Brad.

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But it's also like a really
interesting cross section of a

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movie because there's very
little CGI in this movie

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comparatively, you know, to what
is to come for us.

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Oh yeah.
There's a lot, I mean, there's

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there's hand to hand combat,
there's swashbuckling like it,

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there's old school movie making
here, but it's also a Disney

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film based on Disney IP.
And so it just really feels like

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we're kind of situating
ourselves like at the at the

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apex here and we're going to tip
down into Disneyville from here

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on out.
Brad.

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Yeah.
I mean, the thing that I noticed

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that felt like a foreshadowing
of what was to come was the

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bloodless violence.
This is a incredibly violent

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movie, Bob.
Oh, yeah.

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I mean, they are getting it in
the fight scenes, which I love,

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really, truly enjoyed.
But there's no blood.

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And like when there is, it's
like a, oh, I just pulled my

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sword out of somebody and I'm
cleaning it off, right?

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And it's like very obvious, like
stage blood.

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But there's no actual like,
blood spatters all over the

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decks of these ships, which,
man, these things would be

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painted red because wow, Gore
gets after it in this man.

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Yeah, I mean, this is a movie in
which you see people get hit by

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cannonballs.
And fun fact, Brad, I never knew

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this about cannonballs.
All they really do is kind of

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lift you up off your feet and
carry you across the room.

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They don't actually blow you
apart.

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No, that's it, man.
They're.

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Just transportation devices.
Really somewhat ineffective for

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how they're portrayed in most
other films.

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Oh, man.
OK, let's do this.

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Even before we get into the meat
of our episode here, Brad, I

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want to situate ourselves in the
year of Our Lord 2003, where the

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highest grossing film of the
year was actually The Lord of

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the Rings, The Return of the
King.

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But we've already reviewed that
film.

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Are you sure we can't review
that again?

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I would be happy to because.
What a movie.

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It's a it's better than this
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This is a good movie, but like,
come on, folks, it's the Lord of

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the Rings we're talking about
here.

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It.
Sure is.

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I think this is kind of a good
comparison point to Return of

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the King, though, and and here's
where I was going to go.

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It was a really big deal at the
time this movie was released

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that a Disney movie under the
Disney banner.

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It was not just something Disney
distributed under like Buena

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Vista, which is like their their
like video marketing team or

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Touchstone or anything else that
Disney had their hands in.

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It was a Disney labeled movie
that was PG13 and I remember

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like this is big.
This is new for Disney.

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They never do PG13.
And I think that as you watch

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the movie, there's definitely
like some tension between how

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family friendly this wants to be
and also how violent of a movie

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it is.
And I think you've already kind

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of pinpointed they try to get
around it with the bloodless

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violence.
But I I, I definitely felt that

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tension kind of in the tone of
the movie throughout the whole

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thing.
Brad, do you remember where you

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were when this movie came out?
And I mean, do you remember how

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big of a deal it was that it was
APG 13 movie?

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No and no.
I am like the best podcast Co

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host you could have.
Asked for?

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Well, that just means you have
to take my word for it, which is

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even better.
There's no questioning my

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knowledge it.
Means that I have to I I will

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because it's not a point I feel.
Strongly about, sure.

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Yeah, sure.
I mean, I, I remember this movie

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coming out because I saw it in
theaters and thought it was

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freaking rad.
Like this movie ruled in 2003

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and that, and that's in a year
where Return of the King was

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like far and away the best movie
of the year.

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I think everybody still
absolutely loved this movie.

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We've done quite a few movies
from 2003, Brad.

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I mean, we've done Return of the
King, we've done Mystic River.

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What else?
What else came out this year

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that was rad?
The the third Matrix movie that

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people don't really like came
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The School of Rock, 2003, baby.
What a year.

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Perfect seven point O movie.
Speaking of perfect Seven Point

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O movies, let's talk about
Pirates of the Caribbean some

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more, Brad.
And in order to do that, we're

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going to throw over to our first
segment of the day, which we

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call Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we

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call, Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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Brad, how long has it been since
you last saw Pirates of the

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Caribbean?
I think Haley and I watched it

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maybe like five or six years
ago, so this is probably my

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third or fourth time watching
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This is a movie that, you know,
I've watched, I don't know,

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three of the sequels, 2, and
then kind of gave up.

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I don't think I saw the last one
that came out.

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But I don't know that I've
actually gone back and watched

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this movie since 2003.
Like, it's a movie that I've

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always liked and I'm familiar
with, but I literally cannot

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remember the last time I saw it.
So I think it may have been in

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the theater, you know, 21 years
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Sheesh, that's a long time, Bob.
Out of all the movies that

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you've returned to, why is this
not on that list?

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I don't know.
Hey, man, this is not called

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Brad interrogates.
This is called Brad explains.

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What are you doing?
I'm.

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Just I'm curious, you, Bob, you
return just so many movies.

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You have movies in your catalog
that you've watched 20 times

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that are terrible movies like
School of Rock.

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So what has kept you from
watching Pirates of the

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Caribbean again?
I don't know.

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And, and I was really, really
excited to return to it this

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time because this film has kind
of garnered A reputation over

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the last ten years or so.
People have really re evaluated

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Gore Verbinski because it's been
a long time since he's made a

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movie as, as this great Workman,
like director of the early

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2000s.
And so I remember loving this

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film.
I was super pumped to revisit

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it.
I, I don't think there was ever

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a reason for me not revisiting
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It just, you know, just didn't
happen, man.

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You got to make room for School
of Rock for the 20th time, I

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guess, man.
All right, before you start your

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Brat Explain segment here, one
point of clarification, and I

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think we are in agreement on
this, Brad.

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The region that they are sailing
around is called the Caribbean.

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But when you refer to this
movie, you have to say Pirates

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of the Caribbean.
You cannot call it Pirates of

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the Caribbean.
Yeah, no, that's that is like

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not kosher, Yeah.
Now you have to mispronounce it

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on purpose just because that's
how this movie is pronounced.

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I don't make the rules though.
Do you want to inform the the

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listeners about your views on
Reese's?

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No, there is no views on
Reese's.

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The man's name was Reese.
He made a peanut buttercup.

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They added an apostrophe S
Reese's peanut Buttercup.

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There is no Reese.
He did not make PCs.

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This is not even a discussion
that needs to be had.

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I don't understand how people
mispronounce it.

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I don't know.
It sounds like you want to have

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a conversation about this, Bob.
Brad, you have one minute on the

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clock to break down the plot of
Pirates of the Caribbean, The

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Curse of the Black Pearl, and
go.

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Pirates of the Caribbean The
Curse of the Black Pearl is a

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film about pirates.
Who would have thought, Bob?

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In the Caribbean.
Yeah, they are in the Caribbean.

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This movie follows a trio of
characters played by Johnny

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Depp, Keira Knightley and
Orlando Bloom, all of whom unite

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on an adventure to return a lost
Spanish cursed coin to a chest

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so that a bunch of pirates can
be freed of their curse.

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And And that's it.
Yeah, I mean, pretty much.

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Yeah, I, I don't know.
I don't know how to like get,

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get more granular without really
getting into the weeds.

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So I think I'll just leave it
there.

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So I'm not, I'm not going to lie
to you, man.

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Sometimes when you do, Brad
explains.

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I take that opportunity to check
my phone and make sure I don't,

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I'm not missing something more
important than Brad explains

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Rude.
And I typed in my passcode and I

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had Facebook open and there was
a Facebook ad waiting for me as

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I scrolled from Peacock TV.
And it's for a new television

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show called Orlando Bloom to the
Edge.

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Orlando Bloom goes on a
physical, mental and spiritual

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journey as he attempts extreme
sports in this Peacock original.

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Let's go, dude.
And the very first comment

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underneath that says thank
goodness he can play himself.

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He certainly can't act as a
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And man, oh man, am I grateful
for that comment because that is

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the perfect jumping off point.
After Brad explains, we usually

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talk about performances.
I would like to start with

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Orlando Bloom.
We have seen him now in This is

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the fifth Orlando Bloom film we
have reviewed on this podcast

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after The three Lord of the
Rings and Elizabethtown.

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Say, not the worst movie we've
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But maybe his worst performance.
And I got to be honest with you,

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man, I as Legolas, he is like
perfectly cast because he has

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just this this softness to his
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And he's also like the 11th lead
of that movie.

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Yeah, there's no personality.
I'm gonna be honest with you

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dude, Orlando Bloom is not a
good actor and I think it showed

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up pretty strongly here.
He has great facial hair in this

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movie but other than that he is
just a walking goatee and it's

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pretty bad dude.
I am in like 80% disagreement

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with you.
What?

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I I think he's like solid in
this movie.

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I like he is as solid as he can
be because fun fact folks,

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Orlando Bloom not a good actor.
I think that this movie covers

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up for a lot of his flaws by
allowing him to be very

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self-righteous throughout this
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And I think that like playing
self-righteous is probably one

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of the easier things to do where
he's just very sure of himself

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throughout the film.
And I think that the little

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moments they give him where he's
kind of questioning who he is

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and the things that he believes
he gives like just enough with

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his eyes and with his body
language that I'm like, OK, I, I

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kind of believe that you're
going through something right

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now.
So I, I, I think it's like a

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solid B minus performance.
Here yeah, I think you know if

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you've ever looked at advanced
statistics for sports, there's a

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there's a statistic called VORP
which is value over replacement

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player, which is basically
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providing to your team above and
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like an entry level player at
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So like the.
Last guy off the bench.

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I think about that all the time
for replacements for you as my

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Co host.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Luckily I'm knocking it out of
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Usually Orlando Bloom is like
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being replacement level.
I think you could slot in any

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number of young up and coming
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and it's roughly the same or
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You know what I mean?
Like we've, we had a long

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conversation last week about
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I don't know that you couldn't
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it would be pretty much the
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He, you know, Orlando Bloom is
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And you're right in this movie,
you don't really need that much

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else because there are huge
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character of Norrington in a
weird sense has a bigger

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personality than him, right?
Like, yeah, like obviously he's

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this very restrained British
commandant, but like, he, like

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the way he presents himself.
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whoever plays Commander
Norrington because he's

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incredible.
I like how you couldn't be

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bothered to look up like the 4th
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I love the performance of
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Uninterested, Bob.
His name's Jack Davenport, by

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the way.
Yeah, Jack Davenport gives a

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great performance.
Here's how little I remembered

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this movie.
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Tom Hollander plays like the
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chasing Jack Sparrow.
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He's so good I thought that he
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I don't even remember
Norrington.

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Like I don't remember this
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The guy was fine.
Jack Davenport is fine.

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saw Tom Hollander.
Yeah, I mean that that's an

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example of VORP in movies,
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Like like, Jack Davenport does a
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I think he's like a solid BB
plus performance with a decently

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well written character.
Tom Hollander is going to knock

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it out of the park.
Like, come on, man.

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Now, the reason that I bring up
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don't usually jump in with like,
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in this whole movie.
Let's crap on him for 10

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minutes.
But it's because his counterpart

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in this movie, Keira Knightley,
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well, we did Pride and
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the podcast.
I really think she is one of our

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best working actresses and she
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decades now.
We've become so used to her that

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we barely talk about her
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far between.
But every time I watch a movie

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with Keira Knightley in it, it's
like, how was she not the

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biggest movie star in the world
for at least 10 years there?

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She is so magnetic.
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particular requires so much of
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demure and deferring to
propriety, but then also like 10

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minutes later, kicking ass.
Like she has to be both Pride

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and Prejudice and she has to be
Marian in Raiders of the Lost

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Ark.
And I think go ahead.

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She.
She does it at age 17.

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That was my next point.
When this movie comes out, she

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is 18 years old and she, more
than perhaps anybody I can think

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of in the last 30 years,
benefited from looking like she

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was 27 for 15 years.
Like from the time she was 17 to

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the time she was 30 something,
she looked like she was about 27

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years old.
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young romantic love interest in
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And I don't think people realize
like when we've, you know, she

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was working in the 90s, but we
didn't really see her in a

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breakout role until Bend It Like
Beckham the year before this

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movie comes out.
And she's 17 years old when that

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movie comes out.
And so that means that she's, I

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think she's 38 now, right?
Am I doing my math correctly?

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She's either 38 or turning 39.
She's not even 40 years old and

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she's been in our lives for over
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The only other person, the only
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did that is Scarlett Johansson,
which we talked about that with

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Lost in Translation.
It's just, you know, I, I don't

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think we talk about Keira
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She's one of my favorite
actresses and she's so good in

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this role that she makes Orlando
Bloom look even worse by

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comparison, I think.
I I mean, I think she elevates

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everyone in this movie.
I she's stunning.

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Keira Knightley.
We need to watch more of her

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movies.
Bob.

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I've never seen a movie that
she's in and not walked away

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been being blown away by her
performance.

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She's.
So good, dude.

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Yeah, and, and honestly, as you
were talking about her, Scarlett

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Johansson was my like direct
analogue for her.

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I, I, I feel like we have such a
similar career pathway, but you

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know, Keira Knightley got her
big break in a Disney film and,

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you know, Scarlett eventually
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So I I don't know if there's
something to be said there for.

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It all comes back to the mouse,
is what we're saying.

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Yeah, it sure does.
No, but I'm even thinking now

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about like, OK, Scarlett
Johansson and Keira Knightley

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kind of coming of age at the
same time. 2 very different

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career paths, I feel like, but
what separates them as

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actresses?
And I think Scarlett Johansson,

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I think about a movie like
Marriage story and what's so

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good about the way Scarlett
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is that she's not trying to
suppress emotion, but she tries

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to keep her emotions under
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And so when she finally cries,
it's like it's not just like the

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dam breaking, but it's you can
see a person struggling to try

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to tamp down their emotion.
And where's Keira Knightley?

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I've always felt like she just
kind of nakedly wears her

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emotions out there like she
always does the gasping for

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breath kind of cry and she's
just she she's much more suited

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for material like this.
And I think that's why we've

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always seen her in period
pieces.

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She's so good in Jane Austen,
the movie Atonement, maybe my

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favorite performance of hers.
But there's something that seems

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like a throwback actress about
Keira Knightley.

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I think she could have been the
exact same kind of actress in

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like the 1930s and 40s and it
would have fit so well.

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I don't think her acting style
is over like oversized, but I

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just think that there's like
there's so much more emotion

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worn on her sleeve and I really
like seeing that.

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It's kind of refreshing.
Bob, I I think that brings up

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the the bigger question on
everybody's minds why are Brits

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so much better at acting than
Americans?

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Listen, man, it's times are
tough over there.

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It's always Gray.
It's cold their their food has

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no seasoning.
That this makes them better

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actors and actresses.
They've experienced the depth of

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human drama and emotion just in
their everyday lives, and so

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yeah, it's easier to call that
back up again.

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Because it's still the 1800s
industrial revolution over

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there, and Keira Knightley was a
poor child in the coal mines,

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barefoot and penniless.
I'm pretty sure that you're just

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reading directly off of her IMDb
bio at this point.

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That's that sounds right to me,
yeah.

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That's exactly what I was doing.
All right, man, so Keira

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Knightley A+ plus plus in this
movie.

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And I think, Brad, that this is
another one of those

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performances that if we had
talked about this movie in like

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the early episodes of film and
whiskey, we'd be talking a lot

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more about Johnny Depp because
that's the big showy performance

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here.
And and we will and he's great.

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But I think we have, we've
developed an appreciation for

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not just what I would call
supporting characters, but lead

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characters who are like the
straight man for the big

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outsized funny guy.
You know what I mean?

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Like if Keira Knightley's not
this good in her role, and even

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Orlando Bloom I think to a
lesser extent in his role,

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Johnny Depp doesn't shine
because no one is like tossing

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up the lob for him to knock out
of the park.

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Yeah, well, and that's the issue
they run into with the later

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movies, right?
They slowly force everyone out

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and now it's just Johnny Depp
being asinine and ridiculous as

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Jack Sparrow and it it becomes
way less charming when you don't

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have an Orlando Bloom playing
this super earnest, pirate

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hating, justice loving,
idealistic young man like that.

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Makes Depp so much more complex
as a character because you you

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have him in between the
character of Will Turner and

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Barbarosa.
Like Barbarosa is the epitome of

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like the evil pirate and Jack
Sparrow's, you know, somewhat in

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between there.
But you you need those extremes

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on either side of him to make
his character endearing and

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funny and believable as he kind
of waffles between those two

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edges.
I mean, I think as with most

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comedic characters, the
character gets more and more

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broad as the movies go on to the
point where, you know, like

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Brad, you and I are are big fans
of How I Met Your Mother, like

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season 8 and Season 9, Barney is
it?

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It's like a little much.
At that point, you're like, this

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isn't even a human anymore.
It's like every time I

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accidentally stumble upon an
episode of The Big Bang Theory

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and it just like it.
It's just it makes me cringe

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because it's like, what?
In what world do people think

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these characters are funny?
These don't even resemble humans

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anymore.
That's Jack Sparrow.

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Like he gets to a point where
it's just the drunken swagger is

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it takes over everything.
There's just nothing there

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anymore except Johnny Depp
trying.

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Really hard.
And to be clear, like you are

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talking about the later films,
not this one.

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Yeah, I think that you can see
the seeds of it a little bit in

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this film too.
But then every time that I'm

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like, this is 'cause I'm
watching this movie again for

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the first time in 20 years,
remembering that I'm.

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I'm pretty sure Johnny Depp gets
an Oscar nomination for this

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movie, which is like huge.
Like, I couldn't believe it.

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And so I'm going back to it now,
like, OK, did we get caught up

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in the hype a little bit?
Is this performance good?

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And every time that it would tip
towards, OK, hey, in that scene

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he was a little too drunken rock
star Johnny Depp.

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Then they would they would throw
in a scene where he kind of

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dropped the ACT a little bit and
you could see like, once his

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eyes kind of focus in on the
person that he's talking to.

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And it's like, Oh, yeah, Johnny
Depp is killing this dude.

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Like, there's a reason that this
character became iconic that

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people still dress up as Jack
Sparrow for Halloween.

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Like, it's just it's a great
performance.

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And I think more often than not,
he knows how to walk the line

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and it doesn't tip too far into
caricature.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, he loses to Sean Penn in

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Mystic River, which is wild.
That was that was a great

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performance.
Is that my daughter in there?

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Come on dude, it's so good.
Oh man, would Sean Penn have

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made a good Jack Sparrow?
Is the question here.

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Oh.
I think he takes it too

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seriously.
Yeah, I don't.

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I don't think he does, actually.
Let's let's put all of the

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actors in a leading role from
2004 Oscars.

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Would Ben Kingsley make a good
Jack Sparrow?

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No, but he would have made a
great Barbarossa Ben Kingsley.

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Is a great actor all right?
Next, would Jude Law make a good

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Jack?
Sparrow.

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No, but he would have made a
good will.

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Turner.
Yeah.

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Oh, he would have made a hell of
a Will Turner.

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So much more charming.
All right.

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Last one.
And I think the answer to this

448
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,320
is unequivocally yes, for all
the wrong reasons.

449
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,120
Would Bill Murray make a good
Jack Sparrow?

450
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,400
I want that movie right now I.
Want that movie?

451
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,120
So bad.
All right, man, maybe this is a

452
00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:31,640
good point for us to talk about
Jack Sparrow's counterpart in

453
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,600
Barbarossa, played by Oscar
winner Geoffrey Rush.

454
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960
Now, here's the great thing
about Barbarossa.

455
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,120
He gets more and more villainous
as the movie goes on, like when

456
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,120
he first kidnaps, like quote, UN
quote kidnaps Elizabeth and

457
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:48,200
they're kind of conversing over
an apple in his office.

458
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,160
You're like, oh, I understand
this guy's motivations totally.

459
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,880
And then as the movie goes on,
they need him to be more of a

460
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,200
Dick.
So they kind of just make him

461
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,320
more of a Dick.
This is not even though he has

462
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,040
like a monkey on his shoulder
and is speaking with a piratey

463
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,640
growl and says yar and stuff.
It's actually not like a big

464
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,880
scene chewing performance like
he actually moderates and and I

465
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,120
guess modulates would be the
better word, his performance to

466
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,400
allow Johnny Depp to be even
more wild than he is.

467
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,240
And I think by comparison, it
seems very grounded.

468
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,640
And I just want to say like,
that's why Geoffrey Rush in this

469
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,480
movie and in all the later
movies works so well is because

470
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,360
he doesn't.
He's not competing against

471
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:36,680
Johnny Depp in who can have the
bigger performance.

472
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,920
And that's the only reason that
things stay balanced here.

473
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,000
Dude, I came in here ready to
say I think that Geoffrey Rush

474
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,480
might be the best agreed actor
in this movie.

475
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,040
Agreed.
Like he is incredible.

476
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,560
And I I think that he's
technically, I think he's in the

477
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,760
second movie, he's replaced by
the one and only Bill Nighy in

478
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,920
the second film, which is feels
like the perfect succession,

479
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,200
right?
Like Geoffrey Rush just has this

480
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:15,240
talent for staying grounded in
the midst of the most, like,

481
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,600
performance you have ever seen
in your life.

482
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,040
And I don't, I think I need to
watch the movie about eight more

483
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:26,240
times to figure out how he does
it because there were so many

484
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,000
movements where, you know, the
the trailer fodder.

485
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,400
When he's like this, you know,
this isn't a bedtime story

486
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,560
anymore.
You're in one.

487
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,800
Yeah, and it's like so over the
top.

488
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,880
And yet he's always holding
something back.

489
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,920
And I, I don't know how he does
it.

490
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,840
Bob it.
It's an incredible performance.

491
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,720
Man, I'm so happy that we're in
agreement on that one because I

492
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,240
like, do I think Johnny Depp
deserved an Oscar nomination?

493
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,800
Sure.
I don't think it's like it's

494
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,200
certainly not an egregious
looking nomination, but it's not

495
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,760
the best performance in this
movie.

496
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,560
It's the showiest performance.
And I think what Geoffrey Rush

497
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,640
is doing is actually much more
dialed in and much more complex.

498
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,240
Like it's it's hard to do this
character without just becoming

499
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,000
like a John Malkovich villain
from like the late 90s and just

500
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,960
going completely over the top
with, you know what I mean?

501
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,720
Like they he could have just
said, I'm going to sink my teeth

502
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,760
into this thing and we're I'm
going to get a shouting match

503
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,800
with Johnny Depp and we'll see
who comes out on top.

504
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,000
And he, he just, he zags.
And I really like it man.

505
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,280
Yeah, when you when you're
saying it could have been an old

506
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,320
villain performance, it almost
feels like it.

507
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,160
He could have gone the Tim Curry
route and just been so

508
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,760
ridiculous in the role.
But man, like you said, it is

509
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,920
such a grounded performance and
he gives you all of the reasons

510
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,960
for why he's doing what he's
doing.

511
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:02,120
I I think what it made me think
of was how our actions have

512
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,560
consequences for our souls,
unlike.

513
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,720
Oh, you mean like the actual the
character?

514
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,800
The character.
I thought you were like Geoffrey

515
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,440
Rush's performance made me
realize that, yes.

516
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,760
That is exactly.
You had a spiritual experience

517
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,600
watching this movie, man.
I'm sorry.

518
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Please continue.
Yeah.

519
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,520
I just mean, I mean, the
performance is a huge part of

520
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,280
it.
The his ability to stay grounded

521
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,840
is what kind of helped me
realize that the slide into

522
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,640
being more and more villainous
isn't a result of the scripture

523
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,640
saying, hey, we need him to be
villainous.

524
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,280
It it feels like an honest
character arc of, yes, we're

525
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,840
just trying to get back to being
real human beings.

526
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,360
And that seems like a good
motivation.

527
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,280
But then you realize as the
movie goes on, like he's also

528
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:01,040
spent the past 1020 years
murdering, raping, pillaging,

529
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,320
like all of the evil things that
the the skeletal interior of his

530
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,280
soul is who he truly is at this
point.

531
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,720
Yeah, it's just it's a great,
it's a great character and it's

532
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
a great performance.
All right, man, I think we're in

533
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,160
a really good spot to press
pause here.

534
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,160
I want to talk a little bit
about the fact that this movie

535
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,680
is based on a roller coaster,
like the the existing story was

536
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,640
just roller coaster and they
made this movie out of it.

537
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,280
We'll talk about that when we
get back from break.

538
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,600
But what do you say we try some
Sam Houston 15 year?

539
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:43,400
Let's get to it.
All right, today we are checking

540
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,160
out Sam Houston 15 Year Bourbon.
Now, I was trying to think of

541
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,560
something clever to connect the
Caribbean to Texas, where Sam

542
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,160
Houston famously is from, and I
can't think of a single thing.

543
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,480
So Brad, we're going to pretend
like I had some clever

544
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,960
connection, but honestly, it was
just time for us to drink some

545
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,880
Sam Houston.
This juice is from Barton

546
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,480
Distillery.
It's distilled under a different

547
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,880
label, similar to the Calumet
that we've been having for the

548
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,000
last few weeks, Brad, and also
similar to those.

549
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440
This is a very well aged
bourbon.

550
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,240
We have gone on record saying
that generally speaking, we

551
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,320
don't love bourbons that are
aged beyond, say, 10 years

552
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,440
because they get really, really,
really oaky and I'm a little bit

553
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:33,280
nervous about that today.
Yeah, this is a heck of an aged

554
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:38,920
product, coming in at only 103
proof, which is usually a pretty

555
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,960
good sign.
Well aged products in the

556
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,720
bourbon category that come in a
barrel proof have a chance to

557
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,720
just like, leave oak on your
palate for the next four days.

558
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Yeah, when I see that this is
only 103 proof, I like two

559
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,440
thoughts come to mind
immediately.

560
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,800
And one is like, is this just
too much flavour wise at barrel

561
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,040
proof and or was so much of it
lost to the Angel share over 15

562
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,280
years that they had like
physically had to dilute it to

563
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,960
have enough product to
distribute?

564
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,720
And so like, I mean, it's
probably a little bit of both,

565
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,080
but I'm also glad to see that
it's not like 118 proof or

566
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,680
something because honestly, I
just think diluting it a little

567
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,400
bit might help kind of tamper
down some of those insanely Okie

568
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400
notes we get.
Yeah, but I, I think, I think

569
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,640
it's worth just jumping in here,
Bob, as I got into the nose on

570
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,680
this, I got some really nice
dark cherry notes.

571
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,200
The vanilla really came through
strongly.

572
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,080
There's caramel.
It had a really nice, like fresh

573
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,880
bread kind of vibe to it.
A a little bit of, I don't know,

574
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,880
cacao.
Like it's a It's a relatively

575
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,080
nice complex nose that I gave an
8 out of 10 to.

576
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Yeah, Brad, similar to a couple
of those calumettes.

577
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,200
This doesn't have any wheat in
the mashbill, but it reminds me

578
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,680
of a weeded bourbon on the nose.
And I think that might be like

579
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,360
the interplay between the rye
grain and the oak and how much

580
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,160
oak we're getting on this.
But I definitely get those notes

581
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,960
of cherry that you're talking
about.

582
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,000
It reminds me of those cherry
cola notes that we get on some

583
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,360
of our favorite Rebel products.
For instance.

584
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,680
I get a lot of red apple peel on
this as well.

585
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,000
But other than that, I think
your notes are spot on.

586
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,080
There's a ton of vanilla here.
The oak is nice and it it is

587
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,600
more of like a toasted oak than
a charred oak, but it comes

588
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,800
across softer and it's not it
doesn't have that sort of soured

589
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,120
oak scent to it.
I like this a lot and I'm hoping

590
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,720
that it portends good things
here.

591
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,680
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10 on the nose.

592
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,200
When I got into the palate, it
stays in that kind of fruity

593
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,080
vein for me.
It turned into like a bit of a

594
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,880
BlackBerry currant kind of
flavor, but the, the cacao stuck

595
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,600
in there that that was a notable
note for me.

596
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:07,640
But other than that, Bob, it is
oak on oak on oak and there's

597
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,639
enough other flavors going on
here that I, I enjoyed it.

598
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,560
I think it's a solid whiskey,
but I, I came down a little bit

599
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,760
from the nose.
I'm at a 7.5 in the palate

600
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,159
category.
I kept trying to piece my

601
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,679
thoughts together and I thought
I'd landed on something and then

602
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,600
it kept going.
The flavor, I mean, it kept

603
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,239
going and then I had to revise
my thoughts and then the flavor

604
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,320
kept going.
And that's not a good thing

605
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,360
here, Brad.
So like I took a sip and I'm

606
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,280
with you.
It was like really nice, really

607
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,040
pleasant.
Still that red apple peel for

608
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,560
me, like a red delicious apple.
I went to swallow and it had

609
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,560
that nice dusty kind of sawdusty
flavor to it and a pleasant

610
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,360
amount of oak.
When I swallowed it, it was

611
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,520
like, it was a little smoky and
a little bit bitter, but it was

612
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,720
almost like the bourbon
equivalent of a peated Scotch.

613
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,320
I was like, OK, I can still rock
with this.

614
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,320
It's not my favorite thing.
But, you know, sometimes we like

615
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520
the fruitiness on a peated
Scotch and then we swallow it

616
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,960
and then there's the peat and it
just is what it is.

617
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,560
And then it just kept going.
It turned really bitter.

618
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,000
It got really ashy.
There's like a cigarette ash

619
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,800
kind of thing going on.
And then it got more bitter and

620
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,440
more herbal and like vegetal
almost.

621
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,600
And man, I just wish that they
look.

622
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,640
I wish I could have put a hard
cut off on when my tongue

623
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,560
stopped tasting because it was
going really well and then it it

624
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,760
definitely tapered off.
I'm going to give it a 6.5 on

625
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,320
the flavor.
Oh man, yeah, I I think that the

626
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,880
finish for me is is going to be
at the 6.5.

627
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,480
It just there's some there's
some stuff going on on the

628
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,760
pallet that just slowly
dissipates into the black hole

629
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,520
vortex that is oak like that.
Like this is what Matthew

630
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,600
McConaughey got stuck in in in
Interstellar.

631
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,040
Like, like it.
It's just the oak from all of

632
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:11,720
these 1520 thirty year bourbons.
Yeah, man.

633
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:16,000
And I have to be honest with
you, I think that the 1st 60% of

634
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,880
this tasting experience was the
best one of these that we've had

635
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,800
so far.
I really liked where this was

636
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,720
going.
And then it was just like it, it

637
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,320
would kept piling on itself.
And I just want to be able to

638
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,800
shake this Burbin and say like,
quit while you're ahead.

639
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,480
You, you had a good thing going
here.

640
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
I'll give it a 6.5 again on the
finish.

641
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,480
It's not terrible.
And once you know what you're

642
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,800
getting, the 2nd 3rd sip are not
unpleasant, but it's just it

643
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,240
could have been so much better.
Yeah, I gave it A7 on balance.

644
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:52,680
I I think that this is a well
made whiskey that has lots of

645
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,920
good qualities.
It's just overwhelmed by the

646
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,160
age.
So I, I don't know where are you

647
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,840
at on balance?
This is hard because I don't

648
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,680
think that the nose tipped me
off about how oaky this was

649
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,920
going to get, but the oak was
definitely there, you know what

650
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,480
I mean?
Like I don't think a nose can

651
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,680
tip off how sour the oak is
going to taste.

652
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,880
So like is it well balanced?
I think it might be pretty well

653
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,240
balanced and it's a 15 year
bourbon like this.

654
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,000
This all everything we've said
makes sense for a 15 year

655
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,320
bourbon.
Nothing seems out of the

656
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,240
ordinary here.
It's just something that we

657
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:31,040
don't personally love.
I think I'll give it an 8 out of

658
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,080
10 on balance.
Like I I can't hold it against

659
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,320
the whiskey that it does what it
is supposed to do at this age.

660
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Sure.
I can, however, hold it against

661
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,840
this whiskey that it costs a
whole bunch of money.

662
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,040
I think MSRP on this Brad is
around $160.

663
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,120
I'm seeing 16999.
And then when you're actually

664
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,800
trying to find the particular
batch we're drinking, which is

665
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,520
the Indiana batch #2 I mean,
it's like at least $300.00 at

666
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,400
this point.
So I don't know if you want to

667
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,640
consider it our in our new
premium category or not.

668
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,320
Yeah.
Bob, Bob, this is you are not

669
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,320
going to find this for less than
$200.

670
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,040
Yeah.
It's not worth $200, Brad.

671
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:21,080
No, no, in in the category of
premium, I think I would give

672
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,480
this about a four and a half
like I like.

673
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,880
I think it's decent.
I don't think it's a terrible

674
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,160
value for a premium whiskey.
I just think that there's so

675
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,760
many better options out there
for you in that premium

676
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,280
category.
We were just talking to the

677
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,480
owner of this bottle of whiskey
who generously sent us a sample

678
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,080
of it, our friend Wes, and he
was basically saying that the

679
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,400
way that he likes to price out
things he buys on the secondary

680
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:56,720
is the $10 per year rule.
So at 15 years old, $150.00 for

681
00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,080
this bottle would be about
right.

682
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,480
So I think that if we are
pricing it at 150, I'd give it a

683
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,280
better score.
The fact that you can't get it

684
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,040
for less than at least 200 now,
it's just not worth that much.

685
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,920
I'm going to give it a yeah, I'm
with you, man.

686
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:15,480
I'll give it a 4.5 on value and
that takes me to a 33.5 out of

687
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,360
50.
Are you in the same place as me?

688
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,720
Yeah.
I sure am exact same score.

689
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,160
I love it, man.
So yeah, that was a pretty easy

690
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,960
one.
Brad, we're at a 33 1/2.

691
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:31,000
If you were just scoring out
like what's in the glass, does

692
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,960
this drink like a 35 out of fit?
Like would you recommend the

693
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:41,280
juice itself, Brad?
Oh yes, I, I think that what is

694
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,160
here in the glass is unique and
interesting and somewhat complex

695
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,920
on the nose and then slowly that
that complexity just it's a

696
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,280
black hole, man.
I I, I think that it's solid

697
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,640
whiskey, but it gets lost in the
age statement.

698
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,680
I have nothing else to say, man.
Wes, thank you again for your

699
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:09,680
insanely oaky aged bourbons.
But Brad, if I can just be frank

700
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,400
with you, man, this is just not
my.

701
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:15,840
This is not my wheelhouse.
No, no, nor mind Bob.

702
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,200
I And that's crazy because like,
you're the one who loves bourbon

703
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,880
and I, I wish that I could say
better things about this, but

704
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,640
here I am.
It's fine 33.5 I will not

705
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,840
recommend it if you find it at a
bar and you know what you're

706
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,280
getting into like go for it
spend your money but I I

707
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,600
wouldn't.
Go for it, Spend your money.

708
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,760
I love it, man.
All right, let's get back into

709
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,320
talking about Pirates of the
Caribbean.

710
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,760
What do you say?
Well, let's get to it.

711
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,040
All right, everybody.
That was Sam Houston 15.

712
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Should have been Sam Houston 8
and I think that they would have

713
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,520
had a hell of a product.
Oh, it would have been great,

714
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,920
man.
The end.

715
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,160
Yeah, I'd have nothing else to
say there.

716
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,200
That's it.
That's all folks.

717
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,320
You know what is a great
product, Brad?

718
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:11,040
Is it Canada's favorite segment?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 facts

719
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,840
and a falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

720
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,360
your ball 2 all right.
And what is wrong?

721
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,720
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

722
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,400
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

723
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,120
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

724
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,120
Brad, right now I am sitting at
10:00 and 6:00 on the season

725
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,040
because I got 2 unfortunate
losses a few weeks ago when our

726
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,160
guest LED me astray.
This is our 16th episode of

727
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Season 8, so after today we're
halfway.

728
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,320
Through the season, halfway
through, it always kind of jumps

729
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,000
up on me by surprise.
I didn't realize we were already

730
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,360
that far into the Season 8.
What are your thoughts on on the

731
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,040
first half of season 8?
Think that I've had a movies

732
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,640
we've watched.
Yeah, I the 90s were a wild

733
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,640
time.
Like for a few years there I was

734
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,840
just kind of like above average
on an Independence Day.

735
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:13,160
Men in Black, but like man, true
lies the fugitive.

736
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,720
Come on man, it was a hell of a
decade.

737
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,720
I can't remember exactly where I
heard it, but there's a a writer

738
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,640
named Chuck Klosterman and he
was on a podcast once and he was

739
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,920
talking about this idea of kind
of like how with increasing

740
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,400
technology, culture actually
doesn't change as much anymore.

741
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,440
Like you think that things speed
up now, but things that were

742
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,760
made 20 years ago feel pretty
much the same as they do now.

743
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,440
Whereas in in prior generations,
things accelerated so rapidly.

744
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,840
Think about movies from the 40s
versus the 60s versus the 80s.

745
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,360
And I think that this is kind of
what I'm seeing here.

746
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:56,880
Like we got distinct phases of
movie making between the Rain

747
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,480
Man's and the Batman's of the
world to even The Fugitive.

748
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,040
And then in the late 90s, your
Independence days, your men and

749
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,120
blacks.
And now it kind of feels like

750
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:09,520
this is the last gasp of old
movie making and pretty much

751
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,520
everything from Transformers
through End Game is going to

752
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,040
feel like the exact same thing.
And so like, I will miss the

753
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,840
variety.
I think that's what that's

754
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,040
what's been really nice about
the first half of this season is

755
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,080
we've gotten a ton of variety
here.

756
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,600
You do you want to hear my my
theory, Bob?

757
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,200
Let's hear it.
I think that the Internet has

758
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,760
homogenized humanity.
And like, we thought that it was

759
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,360
going to be this great thing
that allowed us to discover each

760
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,000
other's uniqueness.
But at the end of the day,

761
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,320
advertisers were like, oh, you
mean I can get dad on all these

762
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,720
people and figure out what the
most amount of people are

763
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,200
attracted to so I can make money
off of them?

764
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,720
Like, those are the things we're
going to make.

765
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,680
And like, that's that right
there.

766
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,320
Death of creativity, Bob.
Yep, as we review a movie based

767
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,680
on a roller coaster, Brad, hit
me with your two facts and a

768
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,000
falsehood.
Fact #1 When casting for the

769
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,000
role of Will Turner, it was down
to Orlando Bloom or Heath

770
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Ledger.
They made a mistake.

771
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,000
No commentary here Bobble, just
the facts.

772
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,400
Verbinski chose Bloom because he
knew that he was in the Lord of

773
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,160
the Rings trilogy and felt that
he would be a more bankable

774
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,120
choice.
Fact #2 In the scene where Keira

775
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,160
Knightley sets fire to the rum
on the deserted island, the

776
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,840
smoke rose so high that the
Grenadine Coast Guard came to

777
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,800
investigate.
Fact #3 When returning home from

778
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,360
a night shoot on one of the I
was Is it Caribbean or

779
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,400
Caribbean?
What are we going with?

780
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,320
Yeah, dealer's choice, man.
No, I'm just going to start

781
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,160
start over.
Fact #3 When returning from a

782
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,800
night shoot on one of the
Caribbean islands, Keira

783
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,920
Knightley's boat struck a reef
and went down.

784
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,840
The only people aboard were
Knightley, her mother and the

785
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,400
boat skipper, all of whom
escaped unharmed and were

786
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,240
rescued within a few hours.
I think it's either two or

787
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:14,360
three.
And I say that because like I'm,

788
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,880
I'm just going to assume that
what I said earlier is correct

789
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,280
that you could slot in anybody
for Orlando Bloom.

790
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,440
So I have to assume they were
looking at a number of different

791
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,160
actors for this part.
Heath Ledger makes sense based

792
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,040
on his age.
So then it's like, OK, did the

793
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,520
fire signal call people over to
investigate?

794
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,840
One would think that when
they're burning trees, they

795
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,960
would have gotten some permits.
So I don't know #2 seems

796
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,600
suspicious #3 is also like, I,
you know who, like, cool story,

797
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,600
bro, You know what I mean?
So that seems like it could be a

798
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Brad G special.
Brad G Original.

799
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,960
I was gonna say #3 is the
falsehood.

800
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,920
That one just kind of stuck out
to me, is the falsehood.

801
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,440
But the more I think about it,
the more it doesn't really make

802
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,600
sense that people would come to
investigate.

803
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,320
So I'll go out on a limb and
I'll go against my gut and I'll

804
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:12,080
say #2 is the falsehood, Brad?
Bob, you have done it again,

805
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,320
proving to yourself that your
gut is a terrible, terrible

806
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,040
thing to follow because #2 is
the falsehood.

807
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,040
All right, yeah, I just don't
think Disney would mess around

808
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,040
with like, let's burn Caribbean
islands and see what happens

809
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,760
without a permit.
Just seems like the worst

810
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,320
lawsuit waiting to happen.
Be a good time.

811
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,400
That's funny.
All right, so tell.

812
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,280
Me that you haven't heard of
Dumber things happening on the

813
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,680
set of Hollywood movies.
Oh 100% man.

814
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,880
Then them not getting a a
permit, I mean heck one of my

815
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,640
favorite movies of all time,
charade didn't file their

816
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,720
patents properly.
And so the moment the movie came

817
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,880
out and hit public domain like,
and that wasn't in like 1920,

818
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,240
that was 1965.
I was just reading a a fact,

819
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,080
man, I wish I could remember the
movie, but it was like a movie.

820
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,280
It was Lawrence of Arabia.
And I think it was like, maybe

821
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,360
it was the costumer, you know,
remember how beautiful those

822
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,320
robes on Lawrence were?
And it was like the costumer

823
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,440
wasn't nominated for an Oscar on
Lawrence of Arabia because

824
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,760
somebody forgot to file the
paperwork on time and so they

825
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,360
missed the deadline.
And it's like that movie won

826
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,840
every other Oscar, was nominated
for, and the costumer just

827
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,960
didn't get nominated.
Dude that you?

828
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,560
Can you imagine how mad you
would be?

829
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,520
Oh my gosh.
Come again?

830
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,840
I spent all that time and effort
and I'm not going to get

831
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,000
recognized by my peers because
you didn't file paperwork.

832
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,720
Crazy, dude.
All right, let's get back into

833
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:49,440
talking about Pirates of the
Caribbean.

834
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Brad, very famously, this movie
is based on a roller coaster.

835
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,000
Now my first question to you,
have you been to either Disney

836
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,720
World or Disneyland and have you
ridden the Pirates of the

837
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:06,360
Caribbean ride?
As I said earlier, Bob, no and

838
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,560
no, I don't.
Remember you saying that?

839
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,600
I'm sorry, I must have been
scrolling and looking at the

840
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Orlando Bloom.
Reality show.

841
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,080
It was a answer to a different
question that you asked.

842
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,760
Oh, OK.
But my answer to most of your

843
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,240
questions whenever you ask two
in a row to me are no and no.

844
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:25,360
You've never been to Disney?
Not a single time in my life,

845
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:30,680
no, no, when, when I was growing
up, my dad worked in the

846
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,320
construction, in the trades and
in Cleveland, you pretty much

847
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:40,560
get laid off from like December
to like late February, early

848
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,960
March.
And so our vacation, you know,

849
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,200
everybody else would come back
in the fall from summer break

850
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,160
being like, yeah, we went to
like Hilton Head or Disney.

851
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,840
And I would come back from
Christmas break and be like, I

852
00:48:53,840 --> 00:49:01,040
went to Iowa to visit family and
it was like 20�� colder and like

853
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:06,320
20 more inches of snow.
So that was my vacation.

854
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,640
OK, so the answer is no, you've
not been to Disney The.

855
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,320
Answer is no, but the story.
That's both, man.

856
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,000
The the real pirates were the
friends we made along the way.

857
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,120
I think that's what you're
saying here, am I right?

858
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,280
All right, so I've never ridden
Pirates of the Caribbean.

859
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,600
That might be one that's only at
Disneyland, if I if I remember

860
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,200
correctly, anyway, it's very
famous.

861
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,920
You go on the thing.
The pirates are animatronics,

862
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,840
but they're also spooky.
I don't know how much story they

863
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,600
give you when you're riding the
ride.

864
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,800
Like, is there a narrator?
Are they telling you about this

865
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,200
curse?
Who's to say?

866
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,360
But apparently Disney in the
early 2000s thought this is a

867
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,520
great idea for adapting into a
fully fledged movie.

868
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,680
And I remember thinking, this is
the dumbest idea for a movie

869
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,280
I've ever like.
Even as a early teenager, I was

870
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,600
like, this seems desperate.
Like, what are we doing here,

871
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,680
folks?
And then the trailer came out

872
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,360
and I was like, huh, maybe
that's not going to be so bad.

873
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,880
And then I remember opening up
the the movie.

874
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,800
I used to look at the movie
reviews like every week in the

875
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,520
newspaper, and it got 3 1/2 out
of four.

876
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,560
And I was like, oh, this might
end up being a good movie.

877
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,400
And you know, fun fact it was,
it was a good movie, but I just

878
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,920
can't believe like we talk now
about how soulless and hollow

879
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,360
the adapting all the IP stuff
is.

880
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,040
Disney's been doing this for a
long time, folks.

881
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,800
And like, I just, it's so funny
to me that we now forget that

882
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,960
they just based a whole movie
off of like what if roller

883
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:41,080
coaster was movie?
I mean, it is that man.

884
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,400
I I am loathe to say it, but I
might defend Disney a little bit

885
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,440
here.
Like, is that the worst thing to

886
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,640
do when coming up with a movie?
No, I don't think so.

887
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,160
I do think, though, that like,
it's a really, it's a balancing

888
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,680
act.
And it's one that that Gore

889
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,400
Verbinski really nailed and all
the writers on this movie too.

890
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,920
Because you want to replicate, I
guess what I'd say is like the

891
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,400
feeling of being on a roller
coaster.

892
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,960
You want this to be like a
rollicking adventure, but it's

893
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,120
not really related to like you
are on a roller coaster.

894
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,000
There's not like a lot of POV
shot like this could be filmed

895
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,920
like a first person shooter, you
know what I mean?

896
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,680
And I'm really glad they didn't
do that because they took the

897
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,240
experience of like, why do we go
on a roller coaster?

898
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,440
Why do we want to go on a roller
coaster that's kind of spooky?

899
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,480
And they're like, let's expand
that into a movie going

900
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,120
experience rather than just like
we have to actually replicate

901
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,440
what it's like being on a ride
because I, I feel like there's a

902
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,600
version of this movie that is
that and that would have sucked.

903
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,800
Well, and and that's the
beautiful thing about what we

904
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:51,160
got here is that I don't know if
I have seen many action

905
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:56,280
adventure movies that have
perfect pacing the way that this

906
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,440
film does.
Like walking away from this

907
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:04,400
viewing of the movie.
I kept, as the movie went on, I

908
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,280
kept waiting for the slow part
where it dragged right, 'cause

909
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,920
every action adventure movie has
the slow part in the middle

910
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,680
where it drags a little bit and
you have to put up with a little

911
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,640
bit of exposition or like
explaining why the bad guys are

912
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,320
doing what they do.
And even when those things kind

913
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,360
of come around in this movie,
they are so well done and

914
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,960
they're so action oriented and
they they thrust you through the

915
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:39,760
movie at such a fast, breakneck
pace that it feels like you are

916
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,160
on a roller coaster without any
of the gimmicky things a lot of

917
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,320
directors would do if they were
told make this like a roller

918
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,560
coaster.
Yeah, they replicate it through

919
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,320
good movie making, not through
gimmicks.

920
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,120
Yep.
Yeah, man, it's so nice to be in

921
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,520
agreement with you, Brad, but I
wonder what kind of what kind

922
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,720
of.
The heartburn Is that because of

923
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,000
the heartburn that you get when
we disagree?

924
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,920
I do wonder, like, what kind of
audio are we producing today?

925
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,560
Because we're both just like,
Yup, Yup.

926
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,000
And then there's five seconds of
silence and then we're like, oh,

927
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,800
I guess we have to move on to
the next thing now.

928
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,240
We're not arguing.
It's like Skip Bayless and

929
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,000
Stephen A Smith, just like
agreeing for a whole episode.

930
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,200
Yeah, that would be incredible.
Worst first take episode of all

931
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,120
time.
All right, man, So what?

932
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,880
What else have we not hit yet
about this movie that you want

933
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,320
to make sure we discuss, because
I'm pretty much tapped out.

934
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,240
It's a really good movie.
It's fun.

935
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:39,800
I'm not sure if it's the classic
that it's been re evaluated as,

936
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,800
but I'm also not going to I'm
not going to say many words

937
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,360
against it here.
So Brad, you know, I think

938
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,240
you're a little bit higher on
this movie than me.

939
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,480
What am I missing here still?
The soundtrack, Bob.

940
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,920
My guy, Hans.
Dude.

941
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,120
Well First off, technically
credited.

942
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,880
I don't think Hans is credited
as the composer for this movie.

943
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,800
'Cause he steals everything,
man.

944
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,720
Well I've I've heard that said
to be true.

945
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:16,240
What I do know is that the
entire like Pirates theme is

946
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:20,520
based off of like 1 little bar
from Gladiator.

947
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,880
You know what I'm talking about,
yeah.

948
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,160
'Cause he mentioned it in the
Gladiator episode.

949
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,720
Yes, he and he took that and he
gave it to his minions and they

950
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:35,280
turned it into the entire
pirates soundtrack and it

951
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:41,520
freaking rocks.
I like any good action movie

952
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,840
adventure movie needs great
music and like I'm I'm even

953
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,320
thinking about like the theme to
spider man from 2002.

954
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:54,440
Yep, like that theme freaking
rocks and it makes that movie

955
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,880
incredible.
And I think the same thing is

956
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,880
true here.
Yeah, this this has this really

957
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,120
charming, I don't want to call
it cheesiness to it because it's

958
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,440
like, it's like this big bright,
percussive, almost like

959
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,960
overbearing soundtrack.
And I think that if this movie

960
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,360
was being made today, the
soundtrack would sound very

961
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,240
different.
A it would have no recognizable

962
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,200
themes because that's just how
movies get made now.

963
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,880
But like, it'd be much darker.
It would be much kind of more

964
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,280
ambient and in the background.
And this movie's like, no, every

965
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,480
time you see British soldiers
punching skeletons in the face,

966
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:37,720
we're going to throw in like,
it's just, it's so big and brash

967
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,920
that you you have to respect the
2003 Ness of it and like it.

968
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,040
I miss movies like that.
I miss when movies were like fun

969
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,080
swashbuckling adventures that
did not take themselves too

970
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,360
seriously and didn't feel like
they had to double down on being

971
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,880
grounded or gritty or realistic.
This is a movie about a roller

972
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,200
coaster where pirates turn into
skeletons.

973
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,080
Like, what are we?
Like just have fun.

974
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,600
And, and I think the soundtrack
embodies that.

975
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,440
It's not taking itself too
seriously.

976
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:13,560
It is a really cool theme, but
like it's a little cheesy and I

977
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,920
love that about it.
Yeah, it, it's cheesy in all the

978
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,680
right ways.
And I think that the same, like

979
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,040
that can be said for the whole
movie.

980
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,600
Like when I think about Geoffrey
Rush's performance, it's cheesy,

981
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,800
but like in all of the right
ways, hitting all of the right

982
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,520
notes.
I I think the same thing for

983
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,200
Orlando Bloom and Keira
Knightley.

984
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:42,520
Like they're all over the top in
just the right ways that keep

985
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,000
you at the edge of your seats
and engaged.

986
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:50,400
This is one of the true summer
blockbusters.

987
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,880
And I, I know that you might not
put this movie in the, the

988
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:59,400
classic category, but I, I think
you should because it, it falls

989
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,000
in that perfect.
Like this is just a summer

990
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:08,080
blockbuster that you could go
see like 3 months in a row once

991
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,720
a month and be more than happy
that you went to see it three

992
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,440
times.
No, I'm with you, man.

993
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,840
And I think that that's kind of
what I was trying to get at at

994
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,320
the beginning of the episode,
talking about how this is a

995
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,600
cross section of a lot of
different groups of moviegoers.

996
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,520
Like it.
It appeals to your weird Disney

997
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,120
adults who are just big on all
Disney IP.

998
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,320
It appeals to like movie critics
who just like to say stuff rules

999
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,840
sometimes.
It like this is, for all intents

1000
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,640
and purposes, it's like a modern
classic.

1001
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,560
I don't really know many people
who talk down on this movie.

1002
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,040
It's just a fun movie.
I mean, there there's even some

1003
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,960
horror elements to the start of
the film that like had that

1004
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,080
aren't like incredibly well
done, but they're they're like

1005
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,840
just effective enough that I
like I'm in.

1006
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,000
It's scary.
Well, Brad, I think that that's

1007
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,560
actually a really good jumping
off point to get to our last

1008
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,960
segment of the day, which we
call let's make it a double.

1009
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,400
We're near the end of the
episodes.

1010
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,760
Oh, thanks for listening to the
film and Whiskey Show.

1011
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,320
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1012
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,200
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1013
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1014
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,400
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1015
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,360
to make the perfect double
feature.

1016
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,360
Brad, would you like to go first
today?

1017
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,400
Oh, I think I will, Bob.
I am going to stick in the same

1018
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:34,320
realm of film, action, adventure
and I am going to go with a a

1019
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,960
little known movie.
Not many people saw it that

1020
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,320
definitely not as good as
Pirates of the Caribbean, but I

1021
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,120
think you'd have a fun night
with a double feature. 1998's

1022
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:50,280
The Mask of Zora.
I love it dude, what a fun

1023
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,080
movie.
Yeah, like, like both movies,

1024
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,760
just really fun, really earnest
movies that I think anybody

1025
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,560
could enjoy.
I'm kind of similar to you.

1026
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,240
I'm I'm waffling between 2:00
and I I'll give the one that's

1027
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,000
like the more film guy first.
There's a movie that came out

1028
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,320
the same year that I think was
nominated for best picture

1029
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,880
called Master and Commander.
It's a Russell Crowe movie about

1030
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,160
him sailing on a ship as part of
the British naval fleet.

1031
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,040
It freaking slaps.
It's so good.

1032
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,560
And I haven't seen Master and
Commander I think probably since

1033
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,320
the same time I saw Pirates of
the Caribbean.

1034
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,200
I'd love to revisit it.
Did not get a chance to before

1035
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,480
recording today, but I think
based on the tone of the movie I

1036
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,280
actually just watched, I'm going
to pair this up with 1999's The

1037
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:43,720
Mummy, a movie that is equal
parts rip roaring good time and

1038
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,120
goofy masterpiece like.
And that's kind of the tone that

1039
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,840
this is going for.
It's it's goofy.

1040
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,080
It's just a fun little movie
that's PG13.

1041
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,560
So when you see it when you're
11, you feel like you're

1042
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,520
watching a movie for grown-ups
and then you watch it as a 30

1043
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,720
year old and you're like, oh,
this is a movie for 11 year

1044
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,160
olds, but it's still good.
Like that's that's The Mummy and

1045
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,640
that's this movie.
And I would have such a blast

1046
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,280
watching both of those movies
together.

1047
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,000
Yeah 100% man I have never seen
the mummy but everything I've

1048
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,320
heard about it would confirm
what you are saying.

1049
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,680
It's so good, man.
I might prefer The Mummy to this

1050
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,080
just a little bit, but they're
like, if you've seen this movie,

1051
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,360
you have an idea of what it's
like to watch The Mummy.

1052
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,880
Just a just a fun time dude.
Yeah, no, I'm, I'm in man.

1053
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,040
I would 100% watch that.
All right, let's get to final

1054
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,160
scores here.
I think I'm going to be just

1055
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,240
slightly lower than you.
I was really looking forward to

1056
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:43,040
revisiting this because I've
seen so many people talk about,

1057
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,280
hey, I went back and watched
Pirates of the Caribbean and

1058
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,440
that movie holds up like crazy.
And I went back and watched it

1059
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,880
and I loved it.
Like I had such a fun time

1060
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,240
watching it.
But I did have a little bit of

1061
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,840
that.
This is a movie for 11 year olds

1062
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,480
that was marketed to like
grown-ups.

1063
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,400
And that tension between it, it
doesn't quite want to embrace

1064
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,080
being a violent film for adults,
but it also doesn't quite want

1065
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,560
to embrace being a bloodless
film for kids.

1066
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,520
It didn't always work together.
It felt like those two things

1067
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,720
were at odds, you know, a few
times in the movie for me, and I

1068
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,040
think that's what brought it
down just a little bit in my

1069
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,480
estimation.
But overall, man, what, what can

1070
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,280
you say negatively about this
movie?

1071
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,920
It's an 8 out of 10 for me,
Brad.

1072
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,040
I yeah, I'm at a 9 1/2 out of
10.

1073
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,320
Wow 9.5.
And I, I think a large reason

1074
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,760
for that is how entertaining
this was.

1075
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,160
Like if we scored this out in
categories like cinematography

1076
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,040
and sound and entertainment
value and things like that, it

1077
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,600
would get a 10 out of 10 on
entertainment for me.

1078
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:55,000
I like, like I said man, I kept
waiting for it to get boring and

1079
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,600
it never did.
It kept me absolutely glued to

1080
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,560
the screen.
I was exhausted and was planning

1081
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:06,600
on watching it over two nights
and couldn't stop watching and

1082
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,480
watched it all in one night.
Like that's how much I enjoyed

1083
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,240
this movie.
I I think this is a modern

1084
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,120
classic and I I think that
Pirates of the Caribbean

1085
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:19,760
deserves all of the the
laudatory reviews that has

1086
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,640
gotten.
All right, so there it is.

1087
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:27,480
I gave it an 8, Brad gave it a
9.5, which puts us out at an

1088
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,000
8.75 out of 10.
But we'd like to know what you

1089
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,440
think is, first of all, we're in
agreement here, Brad.

1090
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,360
This is the best of the Pirates
movies, right?

1091
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,760
Oh, far and away.
I think the second one has

1092
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,960
cooler effects, but this is the
best movie.

1093
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,600
Folks, you can disagree with me
if you want, but let us know

1094
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,760
what you think of The Curse of
the Black Pearl.

1095
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,400
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1096
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,120
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1097
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:57,760
Yeah, or you can follow us on
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1098
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,360
We are on there every single day
talking to you guys, fans of the

1099
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,960
Film and Whiskey podcast.
So if you'd like to join the

1100
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,200
conversation, you can find a
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1101
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,120
of every single one of our show
notes.

1102
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,880
I don't know that there will
ever be a harder pivot, A

1103
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:17,480
weirder left turn thematically.
Then this week to next week in

1104
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:22,560
our podcast, Brad, because next
week we, I don't even want to

1105
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,760
say it, man, it feels weird.
Next week we're watching Mel

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Gibson's 2004 film The Passion
of the Christ, and boy oh boy,

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is that is that different than
than Undead pirates?

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It's basically the same movie,
yeah.

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I mean come on, you know, fun
fact, there is not a roller

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coaster dedicated to this event
at Disney.

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Yet could you, could you imagine
that roller coaster?

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The same people who built the
Ark down in Kentucky are going

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to build that roller coaster.
The resurrection roller coaster.

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All right, folks, join us next
week for the Passion of the

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Christ.
Until then, I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.