Past Lives / Jack Daniel's 12-Year Tennessee Whiskey

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In 2023, director Celine Song
and star Greta Lee gave the

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world a quiet drama about the
beauty of intertwining stories

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and fateful choices.
In 2025, we take a cue from this

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movie's 12 year increments with
our Whiskey for the day.

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The film is past lives.
The whiskey is Jack Daniels 12

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year batch 1.
And more.

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Review them both.
This is the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And this week we are looking at

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one of Bob Book's favorite
movies of the last God knows how

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long ever of all time.
It's 2023's Past Lives.

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Bob, you have been just raving
about this film since it came

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out, and I very famously watched
it due to your influence on the

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back of an airplane seat as I
flew to Colorado.

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Now, as I recall this story
going, Brad, not only did you

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watch this movie on an airplane,
which depending on the time of

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day and the fullness of the
airplane, could be a good

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airplane watch.
It's a very quiet movie.

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Like it's, you know, if you're
on a red eye, this is a great

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movie.
But you were also surrounded by

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people who were watching the
film Barbie on surrounding

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screens.
Is that right?

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Sure was.
There was just one person a row

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in front of me to the right, so
I could like see like 70% of

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their screen.
And I used the soundless 70% of

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the screen, you know, occasional
glances at that, that film to

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decide that I don't like Barbie.
But I mean, nevertheless a

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prominent distraction given that
movie's color palette and just

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general vibe.
So not ideal circumstances to

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watch this movie.
And I will also say on rewatch,

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for myself, at least, not ideal
circumstances for watching this

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movie because we're recording
this on the morning of Saturday

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the 11th.
So a little over a week before

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this episode comes out, and
famously for us huge Ohio State

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Buckeyes fans, it is the
morning.

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The morning following Ohio
State's win over Texas in the

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college football semifinals.
I would say when this episode

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releases, we will know if we are
the national champions once

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again.
Yeah, it could be good or bad

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for us, but we're currently
flying high off of that win.

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And then I immediately had to go
watch this movie, which is a

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very quiet and admittedly a slow
paced movie.

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So the adrenaline doesn't.
Quite have the same ring as a 83

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yard scoop and score to win the
game.

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Yeah, that that carryover was a
little weird.

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Man the 1st 30 ish minutes of
this movie.

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I had to really reorient myself
to get in the zone here.

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Yeah, and this is a movie worth
getting in the zone for.

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If I had to imagine, Bob, I'm
going to guess that maybe 20 to

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30% of film and Whiskey Nation
has seen this movie.

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Would you say that's fair?
Yeah, probably less than that.

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I mean, people don't watch the
quote UN quote Oscar movies

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anymore and this wasn't a lot of
ways the little engine that

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could last year just to get a
nomination because I think a 24

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released this movie in like
March, May.

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It was really, really early on
in the year and because the

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reviews were so good, it carried
positive momentum.

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And it was like, I remember when
the Oscar nominations came out,

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it was kind of like, will this
get that 9th or 10th slot

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because it had just fallen so
far out of people's memories?

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But it was a really well liked
movie.

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I say all that to say, I don't
know if people would have seen

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this movie in theaters.
I don't know if people have

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caught it on like wherever it's
streaming, Hulu, but maybe if

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you follow the Oscars, you've
gone back to see this film.

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Bob This is streaming currently
on the wildly popular Paramount

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Plus.
Paramount Plus, baby.

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OK, but you know what's funny is
like I've never, I've never

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thought to myself like I want an
entire studios catalogue and

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only that studios catalogue.
Sign me up.

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Like Max is the closest I've
gotten cause Warner Brothers is

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really a great back catalogue.
But when are you ever going to

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be like I associate this with
Paramount.

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So I want to sign up for
Paramount.

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The the only thing that I know
that is like I do associate with

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Paramount is the Mission
Impossible series.

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Well worth a Paramount Plus
subscription.

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I currently have had Paramount
Plus for about 4 1/2 years.

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What?
Really.

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Yeah, I we paid for well.
So I'll say this, we signed up

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like right when it opened for
their yearly membership because

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we want to watch some survivor.
Haley was pregnant with our

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first child and like that was
just her go to.

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Like I'm annoyed at the world.
I just want to chill and watch

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Survivor and I like Survivor as
well.

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So we signed up for a year and a
few months later I was like,

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man, I don't know if our credit
card actually charged for that.

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And then like a year later I was
like, man, we still haven't

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gotten charged for Paramount
Plus.

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And here we are four years in.
I have never once paid for

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Paramount Plus and yet still
have full access.

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Well.
They they've got you now because

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you've confessed on air, Brad.
So.

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That's true.
Yeah, the end of Brad's

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Paramount Plus subscription is
coming soon, but it's time for

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us to talk about this movie.
So in order to do that, let's

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get into our first segment of
the day, which we call Brad

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Explains Brad's going to give.
Us the movie plots with only 60

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seconds taken on the clock.
So let's go ahead and do your

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take with this little segment
that we call, Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the movie that he has
just seen often for the first

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time.
This is, I believe, my third

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full time through with Past
Lives.

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And then I caught the end of it
on like we have a DIRECTV

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subscription and I think it
comes with stars or one of

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those.
I found the last five minutes of

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it one night and I was like, oh
hell yeah, I'll watch the last

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five minutes of this.
So I'm at like 3.1 viewings of

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this movie now.
Brad, I think this is your

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second full viewing, first where
it got your full attention.

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So I'm pretty excited to hear
you explain this movie.

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Is it fair to say pretty simple
plot.

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Very simple plot.
All right, well, I'll give you a

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full minute.
You can use it however you'd

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like. 60 seconds.
Spoil this movie and go.

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Past Lives is a film that
follows 3 main characters, Nora,

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Heysung, and Arthur.
Nora and Haysung were childhood

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friends when Nora's parents
emigrated to Canada and then she

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eventually goes to New York.
Haysung is a childhood friend

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that they kind of childhood
sweethearts if you will.

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They reconnect for a little bit
in 2012 when they're in their

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mid 20s.
They separate because distance

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is keeping them apart.
And then 12 years later, they

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finally reconnect in person for
the first time in 24 years,

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where Nora is married to an
American author named Arthur,

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and the three of them spend a
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exploring what it means to live
their lives, fully embracing the

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choices that they've made.
Brad, I love this movie, and I

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think I've talked enough on this
podcast about how much I love

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this movie that people will
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I've been looking forward to
today.

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I want to try to make this as
much about your experience with

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the film as possible.
But I think that the movie is

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such a deep, aching, vulnerable
exploration of longing and

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regrets and grief and commitment
and affirmation that in me at

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least, it inspired me.
I, I went to see this movie The

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second time I took my wife.
I was like, I really want you to

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see this with me.
And we had one of the best

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conversations we've ever had
about the nature of marriage and

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commitment on the way home from
this movie.

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I think if you engage with this
movie on its terms, it brings up

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a vulnerability in yourself.
And so I don't, you know, I, I

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obviously I'm not going to make
you like name every sweetheart

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you've ever had in your life
here, Brad, my soul.

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But I do think that we'll
probably get a little bit more

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wax poetic, I guess, is what I
would say today, because I think

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that's the kind of thing that
this movie inspires in me.

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So if you don't enjoy that, you
can get the.

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Hell out of here, yeah.
You can turn a few episodes ago

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and listen to our Mad Max
episode.

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It will.
You will enjoy it thoroughly.

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So let's set the stage a little
bit here because this is the

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directorial debut of Celine Song
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autobiographical movie.
So in the press notes that 824

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put out, they said that she had
the idea for the movie when she

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was in a very similar situation
to this, where she was in a bar

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in New York City one night and
she was sitting between her

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husband on one side and her
childhood sweetheart who was

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visiting from Korea on the other
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And this idea for a movie in
which, you know, you're crossing

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the boundary of different past
versions of yourself and

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bridging that gap.
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there was still love involved?
And then, you know, like the

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contours of the movie started to
come to her in that moment.

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And I think that what if I could
just set the states this way,

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Brad, what always strikes me
about this movie is it's really

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specific to these three people,
but it's so deeply taps into the

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universal.
And I'm just curious, like, does

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that resonate with you here?
Yeah, I think that, hey, my

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first question is, do you think
that her childhood sweetheart

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gets residuals for this, this
script because like he is the

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inspiration for the whole film?
Maybe, you know what?

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Maybe let's get that out of the
way first.

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So she's married to the
screenwriter Justin Kuritsky's,

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I think his last name is.
And it is very funny to look at

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the the way that they both
analyze their relationship

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through their work.
So Celine Song comes out with

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this movie and then it gets
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is working with the director
Luca Guadagnino this year.

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And they're making this movie
called Challengers, which is a

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highly sexualized movie in which
a domineering, manipulative,

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sexually, I guess, domineering
again, Zendaya, like is

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dominatrix Zendaya, Yeah, kind
of is pulling strings with these

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two guys in her life that have
been part of her life for years

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and years and years.
So then people are like, well,

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is this his take on this exact
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And then it gets announced that
her next movie that's coming

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out, I think next year.
It's a movie called

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Materialists.
Here's the plot line that

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they've released so far.
Set in New York City, the film

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follows the story of a
matchmaker, her ex-boyfriend and

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a wealthy businessman.
So it's they are really plumbing

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the depths of their own Freudian
psyche here, Brad.

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Yeah, I was going to say, man,
whatever it takes, make that

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money.
Make that money.

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Love triangles, man, people,
people just enjoy love

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triangles.
And I think that's like the

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fascinating thing about this
film is I don't it's not the

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love triangle that you think it
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You know what I mean?
Like the love triangle is hey

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Sung and 12 year old Nora and
adult Nora trying to reclaim who

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she was as a child and
experience that a little bit

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again, but also still be an
adult who's married to Arthur.

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And the husband is like just
honored to get a glimpse into

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who his wife was as a child in a
very foreign world to him.

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It's like a really weird, almost
like a time hopping love

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triangle A. 100% yeah.
And I think that I've already

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compared this movie on this
podcast before to Brief

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Encounter, which is a movie from
the 1940s that, you know, Brad

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had never heard of until I I put
it on the schedule, I think in

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our season 5 where we could just
pick whatever we wanted and.

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Really leaned into that one.
And it ended up being one of our

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favorite movies that we've ever
watched on this podcast.

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And I think that Brief Encounter
or Past Lives is a brief

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encounter for our times, Brad.
It's a really mature exploration

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of the people we are, the people
we have been.

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The fact that when people exit
your lives, they don't

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necessarily exit your thoughts
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That we never get a chance to
reconcile with loss when it

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happens suddenly and what that
looks like when it resurfaces in

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our life.
And I think that both of these

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are movies for grown-ups.
Like if you're going to go into

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this movie with this attitude of
like, this is a movie in which a

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woman parades around her ex in
front of her husband, then you

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are already looking at this
movie through the the wrong

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lens.
It's a super sympathetic movie

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to everyone.
And I think that because it is

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equally sympathetic and
empathetic to its characters, it

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forces you as an audience member
to put on your big boy pants and

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take it at its own terms, which
is what do mature people do when

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confronted with issues in their
relationships?

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And that's the beauty of this
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You know, there's an interview
with director Celine Song where

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she talked about how so many
dramas deal with adults acting

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like their children and making
immature decisions.

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And she wanted to explore, like,
what do you do when adults still

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act like adults?
They still lean into their

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responsibilities and who they've
chosen to be rather than like,

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second guessing the decisions
that they've made, and yet also

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just engage with their emotions
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And like, it is easily the most
mature movie I think I've seen

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ever.
Like, everybody is honest about

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where they're at, honest about
what's going through their heart

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at the time, and yet still, like
makes good decisions.

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They're honoring to one another.
Dude, when Hey Sung looks at

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Nora and says, I didn't think it
would hurt so much to like your

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husband.
Like what a great freaking line,

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dude.
I think that if you're going to

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knock this movie, you could say
that this is like a millennial's

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wet dream.
Of what, you know, liberal ideas

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of like consent and openness and
all.

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Like it's a very like, do people
really act like this in real

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life?
And yet I think because it it

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kind of makes you accepted on
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I never once thought that the
movie was cloying or pandering

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or talking down to anybody.
It didn't seem preachy.

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It was just these are people who
have really clear, open

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communication with each other
and this is how they would

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respond in a situation like
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And what it ultimately leads to
is a movie that more than any

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other I can remember in the
last, you know, 10-15 years is

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incredibly respectful of what a
marriage is about.

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I think if this was the more
Hollywood eyes version of this

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movie, you know, it's it's a
story about her sleeping with

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him and then trying to figure
out, do I want to stay with my

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husband?
And there's even a great scene

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in the middle of the movie,
which we'll talk about at some

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point where the two where Nora
and Arthur are talking about

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what a great story this would
make.

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And so they're contextualizing
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But this movie doesn't go that
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That's the easy way out.
That's the like salacious story.

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This is the story that asks
like, hey, we're adults and we

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know that we're not going to
kiss each other.

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We're not going to sleep with
each other.

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I'm we're not going to be
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How do we explain the fact that
we loved each other and we had

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no resolution within the context
of where we are as people now?

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And that is ultimately such a
more interesting question to ask

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and explore.
Because it, it allows for the

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depth of the human experience to
be explored more intensely and

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more honestly.
Like at the end of the day at

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like, everybody loves a good
drama like Rag, right?

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Where it's like, here's the
terrible things that these

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people do.
And even like you look at

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something like the Philadelphia
Story and it's it's all about

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this socialite who finds true
love in leaving her spouse at

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the altar, right?
Like it's it, like you said,

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it's salacious and people love
that.

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And I'm not saying it's bad to
enjoy things like that, but it's

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nice to have a movie that
explores it with emotionally.

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Like at the very least, they're
like B minus mature that, you

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know, they're not like perfect,
They're not like the most

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emotionally mature people ever
to live.

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But man, they feel real.
And for me, my favorite scene of

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the film is when Arthur and Nora
are sitting in bed talking to

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each.
Other it's mine as well.

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I would like let's let's hold
off on that because I think that

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really is the crux of the movie
for me.

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And to your point earlier, Brad,
I mean, it might have been

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before we pressed record.
I'm coming off the high of this

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Buckeyes game.
I pressed play on this movie and

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it took me a minute to really
get into the movie and I was

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having this like, Oh no, is this
not as good as I thought it was

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moment.
And I would say that lasted for

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the first twenty 30-40 minutes
of the movie where it was good

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and I respected what they were
doing, but I wasn't like

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emotionally clicking with it as
I had.

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And it hits almost exactly the
halfway point is where they

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finally meet each other face to
face in the park.

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And everything following that in
this movie was like, oh, this is

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like, I'm, I'm aching alongside
these characters because it has

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me so gripped emotionally.
But in order to talk about that

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part of the movie, I think let's
let's get the first chunk of the

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movie out of the way.
So it starts with these

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characters as 12 year olds in
Korea very quickly moving to I'm

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moving away.
You see the two of them holding

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hands and childhood sweethearts.
And then she's emigrating to

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Canada.
And then it jumps 12 years

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forward in time and he's doing
his mandatory military service

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and she's going to college and
moving to New York City.

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Go ahead the.
Shot of him marching and then

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sitting there eating and like,
you talk about expressive

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filmmaking where you know that
he's thinking about her without

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there being any indication that
he's thinking about her.

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Dude, yeah.
Teo Teo you I believe is his

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name.
Just freaking nails it.

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So I think this is the the part
of that first chunk I really

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want to talk about is them as
early 20 somethings because they

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do such a good job of playing
young adults, even though the

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both of these actors are in
their 30s.

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And it's it's very much posture
and body language and having

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that sort of youthful
exuberance.

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And you get this moment where
they finally reconnect via

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Skype.
Remember Skype, They were they

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connect via Skype.
And she at one point she

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mentioned Eternal Sunshine and
they kind of have this eternal

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Sunshine like montage that lasts
10 minutes in the movie of.

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Their relationship unfolding,
all the conversations they have,

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them deepening their bond with
each other, the missing calls

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from each other.
And you can kind of see the

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rhythm get thrown off and how it
ultimately ends with them

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because their lives are going in
different directions and she has

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to cut it off.
I'm wondering, Brad, of that

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whole first section, childhood
and young adulthood, what worked

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best for you and what didn't
work for you?

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Oh.
Dude, I'm about to bring up the

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greatest movie of all time.
Do you remember our discussion

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about how perfectly
Elizabethtown captures the like

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boyfriend girlfriend late night
self of conversation of 2006 a.

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100%.
Dude, like, and I know that part

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of this is my experience, but
when I was in college, I dated a

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girl who studied abroad in Italy
for, you know, four months.

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And we would Skype like that at
those sounds, the beeping sounds

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that Skype made when it started
and ended and lost connection

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and all the things I was like in
my fields, just hearing those

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sounds.
And I like this time through, I

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was like, man, they're not
really capturing the shoddy

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connection of the early 2000
tens.

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And then they had a montage of
like 9 missed calls in a row

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where her going, hey son, are
you there?

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Like where, where'd you go?
And and he's on the other end

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doing the same thing.
And I was like, Yep, that's it.

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That's it.
Like it is the most perfect

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cinematic illustration of like a
very specific time period where

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Skype was the only way to video
chat with people and it was

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unreliable.
And it was awesome.

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And like, I still vividly
remember the first time I used

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Skype.
I, I was like talking to an old

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friend from summer camp that I
hadn't seen in like 3 years.

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And we get on a Skype call that
I had never heard of.

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And she told me like, we'll
download this Skype thing.

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It'll let U.S. chat on video.
And I'm, I know I'm making

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myself sound really old right
now, but I remember literally

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thinking to myself as a freshman
in college, like what do you

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mean chat on video?
Like like that's wild.

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I understand phone calls but the
idea of talking to you live on a

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video feed was insane to me.
That's funny, dude.

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Yeah, yeah.
I think that's part of why I say

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that it's Brief Encounter for
our times, is that it is

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nostalgic for things that only
millennials will feel nostalgia

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for.
But I think that because there

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are such universal themes here,
you could absolutely tap into

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it, whether you're a boomer or,
you know, Gen.

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Z or whatever you might be.
I think that the whole movie's

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kind of slow paced on purpose.
It's very meditative and kind of

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dreamlike in the way that the
camera just kind of glides in

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and out of scenes.
But it's paced really well

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because that that early section
of them as children is like 8

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minutes long.
And then you get maybe, you

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know, 2025 minutes of them as
young adults.

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And then it's immediately
dropping you another 12 years

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forward in time to when they're
in their mid 30s.

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And so the whole second-half of
the movie is this conundrum that

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comes up when he makes contact
with her to let her know he's

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coming to visit New York City.
Secretly, she's worried, and her

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husband is worried that he's
coming because he's still in

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love with her.
And will they or won't they?

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Will it be confirmed that he's
still in love with her?

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That's where the dramatic
tension of this movie rises.

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But even saying dramatic tension
doesn't quite feel right.

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It doesn't feel like this movie
is ever really making you think

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that she's going to cheat on her
husband or, like, is there going

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to be this passionate moment
where they both break and make

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out with each other?
The tension arises from like,

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what's going to happen to this
relationship?

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Like, are are they going to blow
it?

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Is he going to blow it with her
in such a way that it like,

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ruins everything?
You know, it, it comes from a

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much more human place than a
like, horny place, if I can be

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that frank about it.
And I think that's what makes

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the movie work.
Absolutely.

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The the moment when they first
see each other and like you

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could, you could just see it in
the actor's eyes and bodies and

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the the tension is so thick you
can cut it with a knife that

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like she enters back into the
physical.

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I'm around you again for the
first time in 24 years

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relationship with the bright
bubbliness of a 12 year old.

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And you can tell that that's
what she's looking to get out of

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this of like, oh man, I like I
have an opportunity to like

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capture a little bit of my youth
and remember who I was when I

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lived in Korea for the final
time.

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And and like this is an
opportunity to engage with that.

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And she becomes a little bit of
a 12 year old again.

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And he is entering into that
space as a 30 something year old

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man who's not necessarily like
trying to win the girl back, but

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he's trying to explore like,
what does this relationship mean

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to me today, here and now and
then?

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And like, the way she hugs him
is so powerful.

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And then you juxtaposition that
with when they leave and she

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can't hug him because she
doesn't want to see her 12 year

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old self disappear.
And he leans in and gives her a

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massive hug.
I'm almost like embracing who

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she's become now.
Yes.

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I am so glad that you're
catching on to those things

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because there are so many
callbacks.

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And it's something that like, I
didn't even notice how many

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callbacks there are to the early
scenes of the movie, whether

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it's them as 20 somethings or as
children.

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But they're sowing seeds that
they come back to harvest later

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on in the movie in such profound
ways.

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You know, going back to that
scene where they first meet each

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other in person.
You have Hey Sung coming to New

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York City.
It's like a rainstorm.

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00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,080
They show him in his hotel room
and he just, he doesn't know

449
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,480
what to do.
He opens the curtains, he's

450
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,560
looking out on New York City,
and he's just sitting alone on

451
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,480
the bed.
And to that point in the movie,

452
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,720
and even later in the movie,
every single time you see that

453
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,600
character by himself, he is in
the middle of a big city,

454
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,520
whether it's when he goes to
China or whether he's in Seoul

455
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,920
or whether he's in New York
City.

456
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,200
And there is nightlife happening
outside his window.

457
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,000
And there's like the bustling
culture of wherever he is.

458
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,240
And he is just trapped in in
this room by himself.

459
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,240
And it's such a great
representation of where he's at

460
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,680
emotionally.
Not can.

461
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,000
I get really quickly.
Oh please.

462
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,720
They also often in those scenes
trap him in a frame within a

463
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,400
frame.
Did you notice that we're like,

464
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,200
you see him from the kitchen
area of the the hotel suite and

465
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,440
he's like, you see through the
little window in the wall and

466
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,400
then he's sitting in front of a
window full of rain with like

467
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,720
one light shining on him.
And you're just like, this is

468
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,480
like every cinema part of me is
just like, I don't know if this

469
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,640
is like overboard and doing it
too much, but it's working for

470
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,040
me.
Oh.

471
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,760
No, I love, I think the
cinematography in this movie is

472
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,160
super underrated.
There's this scene where they go

473
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,080
to ride the ferry to Ellis
Island together.

474
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,080
And the way that it's shot like
you're watching them in line,

475
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,720
but it's shot from like outside
of the queue and like under some

476
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,200
sort of an overhang.
And so the top and bottom of the

477
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,720
screen are all blacked out.
And so it almost looks like

478
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,600
they've changed aspect ratios
for a minute.

479
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,440
It's.
A natural aspect ratio, yeah,

480
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,200
but it's also like, what's it
called?

481
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,560
What's it called when the the
music is diegetic?

482
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,920
Yeah, it's like diegetic screen.
But once again, it's like

483
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,240
putting them in this frame
within a frame, almost

484
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,720
suggesting that like, his idea
of spending time with her is

485
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,160
like this, you know,
romanticized painting that

486
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,400
you're going to hang up
somewhere.

487
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,080
It's not real life.
And I they never do that with

488
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,040
Arthur and Nora.
No, never, ever.

489
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,520
Except for there's one moment.
There's one moment at the end of

490
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,920
the movie when she says that
she's going to go walk him down

491
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,280
to his Uber and they leave the
camera on him.

492
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,400
And they have like, the whole
border of the outside of the

493
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,440
frame is all blacked out because
they've just gotten back to

494
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,560
their apartment and he's there
and like, standing facing the

495
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920
door, like by himself.
Oh they do such a great job with

496
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,720
those frames within frames in
this movie.

497
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,440
Yeah, just absolutely beautiful.
I know you were talking about

498
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,280
other things but when they're
walking past the carousel and

499
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,480
it's like life is moving faster
around them than their pace

500
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,200
together.
Like the dude the the

501
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,800
cinematography in this movie is
just absolutely beautiful.

502
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,640
That scene is where I started
clicking again with the movie,

503
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,880
and I was like, Oh yeah, this is
a freaking masterpiece.

504
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,000
It's, you know, they've been
kind of hinting, not even

505
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,400
hinting.
What's great about the way they

506
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,560
talk to each other is they both
know exactly what's going on and

507
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,120
nobody wants to be the one to
say it.

508
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,440
And it's not because they think
they're crossing lines, it's

509
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,760
because they're both terrified
of what it means if they confess

510
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,800
that.
Not that they have feelings for

511
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,160
each other even, but just like,
I missed you, I don't know where

512
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,200
this puts us.
There is no closure here.

513
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,760
And so they get in front of this
carousel and they're just

514
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,360
sitting.
And for a while, they're sitting

515
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,960
absolutely still as the carousel
spins behind them.

516
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,760
And Brad, that's where the
dialogue in this movie for me

517
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,280
took off.
And I wrote down.

518
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,720
When you get to the back half of
this movie, it reminds me a lot

519
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,760
of ET, one of my favorite
movies, where, like every moment

520
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,920
is kind of surface level but
also metaphorical.

521
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,040
Like there's a double meaning to
everything at the end of that

522
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,680
movie.
And I think every single line in

523
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,280
this movie almost from that
point to the end, has some sort

524
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,560
of a double meaning.
You know, like, she's asking

525
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,680
him, why did you come here?
He's kind of confessing to her,

526
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,680
but not really.
There's no I love you that comes

527
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,840
out of his mouth.
And then you hear her just kind

528
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,840
of look at him.
She leans in a little bit.

529
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,320
She says, we were babies then.
We're not babies anymore.

530
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,600
And you can tell from the way
she's saying it that like, she

531
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,280
looks legitimately concerned.
It's the first time that she's

532
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,840
let that sort of smiling,
reassuring posture go and she's

533
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,760
leaning into him and she's like,
you can see with her eyes, she's

534
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,240
like pleading with him, but you
don't know what she's pleading

535
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,680
for.
It's this portrayal of I need to

536
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,640
hear you say it And at the same
time, please God, don't say it

537
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,480
because I don't know where that
will put us and I don't know

538
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,800
where that will put me.
And there's so much unspoken and

539
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,480
I just think it's a master class
in posture and body language and

540
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,920
non verbal acting there.
Well, and it speaks the, the

541
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,600
reason you talked earlier about
this feeling like a universal

542
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,720
movie that anybody can like
access emotionally.

543
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,600
And I think the reason is, you
know, the, there's all sorts of

544
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,720
research into the brain.
And one guy, Dan Siegel, writes

545
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,520
about how there are 9 domains of
the brain, like 9 places that it

546
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,760
works within our lives.
And one of the domains is in

547
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:40,520
storytelling that, like humans
are naturally storytelling

548
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,240
creatures.
We are trying to make meaning of

549
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,240
our lives.
And I think that's the reason

550
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,840
this movie is so universal is
that you're watching these two

551
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:56,320
people dance around the social
standards of Nora is married, He

552
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,760
is not the their childhood
sweethearts, and yet he doesn't

553
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,480
want to be a home wrecker.
But he's trying to seek

554
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,960
validation for what his story
was with her.

555
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,600
And she is trying to seek
validation for what her story

556
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,280
was with him, even though
they're in vastly different

557
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,240
places now.
And I think that is why this

558
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,880
movie is so beautiful is that it
honors the reality that we are

559
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:29,800
storytelling creatures and our
stories don't die the moment we

560
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,400
move on from the present moment.
A. 100% they.

561
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:38,000
Live on in our imagination, they
live on in our memory.

562
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,120
And when they are never
acknowledged, it can become

563
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,320
something dangerous that that
like ferments in the back corner

564
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,200
of your mind and grows into
something it shouldn't be.

565
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,320
But there is that catharsis of
just being honest to say we can

566
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,440
get through this.
Like, this was real.

567
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,960
And the cool thing is that
moment of catharsis doesn't

568
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,120
truly come until after Heysung
meets Arthur.

569
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,360
And like, once they've met, once
they've spent a little time

570
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,600
together and he's like, oh,
crap.

571
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,680
I actually like, really like
this husband.

572
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,920
I like, I think he's really good
for Nora.

573
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,760
That's when he's finally able to
say, yeah, our, our relationship

574
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,120
meant so much to me.
And she is able to say it back

575
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,520
to him.
And there's something about

576
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,600
honoring the present that allows
them to go back and validate the

577
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,240
past.
Yeah.

578
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,680
I think what I love about the
movie is that there's a sense of

579
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,440
inevitability, Like everyone
knows this is not going to end

580
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,640
with her running away with him.
And she says that out loud at

581
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,320
one point, you know?
And so there's no dramatic

582
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,720
tension in that regard.
But because you care so much

583
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,320
about these characters, all
three of them and their

584
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,880
emotional fragility, I think
that's where it comes is that

585
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,400
you you access that sort of
longing and yearning.

586
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,360
You access the grief, you access
the loss.

587
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800
It all comes flooding back.
And and Brad, before we go to

588
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,880
break, I think that I do want to
talk really briefly about Greta

589
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,000
Lee in this role as Nora.
I think all three of these main

590
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,280
actors should have been
nominated for Oscars, and I'm

591
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,199
pissed off that not one of them
did.

592
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,040
But her character, I think, is
really difficult to play

593
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,800
because, you know, it's written
from Celine Song's perspective

594
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,360
at least somewhat.
And I think that in the wrong

595
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,560
hands, an actress could make
this character seem like really

596
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,600
evil, kind of bitchy, you know
what I mean?

597
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,600
And the fact that A, they're
able to avoid any of that.

598
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,440
But it's such a tough character
to play because if she seems

599
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,040
overly flirty with Hey Sung,
then we as an audience will turn

600
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,199
on her.
Like, you are abandoning your

601
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,960
husband.
You're leading this guy on.

602
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,800
But if she seems overly aloof in
the way that she treats him,

603
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,560
then we'll think she's being too
cold to him.

604
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,240
And you know, we won't be on her
side then too.

605
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,160
So because.
Heysung is so likable.

606
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,400
Oh yeah, and, and also so
obviously, like I am in love

607
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,200
with you.
Please don't hurt me in my puppy

608
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,720
dog eyes.
Like, I don't know if I could

609
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:15,000
entirely say that the way he he
behaves all the time is super

610
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,360
appropriate.
Like it's not, it's not

611
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,160
disrespectful.
He's always respectful.

612
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520
But like, from the moment they
meet each other, he's like, hey,

613
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,120
you want you want to, you want
to be with me now.

614
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,520
You know what I mean?
Yeah.

615
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,920
You want to choose me?
And so in every situation, she

616
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,800
actually has to be the most
knowing person and you can see

617
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,360
her processing other people's
emotions in real time.

618
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,400
And like she instantly
recognizes he's still in love

619
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200
with me.
How do I make him feel

620
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,720
comfortable?
How do I reassure him, but also

621
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,560
keep proper boundaries without
coming across as manipulative or

622
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,320
bitchy?
And I think that as a person,

623
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,640
Nora has a really tough
balancing act.

624
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,000
But as a character, Greta Lee
has a really difficult job to do

625
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,520
to make you be on her side.
Because on top of all of that,

626
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,280
they also have to get us on
board with her and we have to

627
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,560
believe that she too wants and
deserves closure in this

628
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,920
situation.
And I think she manages it

629
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,080
because, you know, the whole
character is about like

630
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,080
balancing 2 worlds, the world of
her past, the world of her

631
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,440
present.
The moment that her character

632
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,280
completely clicks for me is when
she's done hanging out with

633
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,560
Hasan on the first day and she
sits down on the couch.

634
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Arthur takes off his gaming
headset and she goes, you were

635
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,480
right.
And he goes, what, what do you

636
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960
mean?
And she's like, he he came here

637
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,120
to see me.
And it's not he came here

638
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,080
because he's in love with me.
It's not he came here to steal

639
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,360
me away.
It's not he's a dirty scumbag.

640
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,520
It's just an acknowledgement of
like, yeah, you were right.

641
00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:01,280
Like, he came here to see me.
He's not here on vacation.

642
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:08,160
And the way she delivers that
line, you feel the honesty of

643
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,480
who she is here in the present
versus who she's trying to

644
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,280
figure out who she is when she's
around this person.

645
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,400
And once again, talk about a
universal feeling.

646
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:24,040
Bob, you were known as Bobby
Book back in the day, right way.

647
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,400
Back in the day, yeah.
And in your, in your modern day

648
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,680
2025 adult life, you go by Bob.
And yet there are still some

649
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,800
people that you hang out around
that might call you Bobby that

650
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,120
all of a sudden you feel like
I'm 1314 years old again.

651
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,320
And like I, I think all of us
have that experience when you're

652
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,720
around people from your
childhood that you're like I, I,

653
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,840
there's a tension.
I don't know who I am here

654
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,120
because I'm not 12 anymore, but
the 12 year old that I was is

655
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,400
still in me because it's a part
of my story and who I am.

656
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,480
But the, you know, 20 years that
have passed since then are also

657
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,000
a part of me and I'm different.
And it's that war within

658
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,880
yourself that you're trying to
figure out.

659
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,960
And then it's just magnified by
the fact that you haven't seen

660
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,800
this person since you were 12.
And I, we could talk for three

661
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,720
hours, Bob.
Yeah.

662
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,240
Man, this is a great movie.
Let's press pause here.

663
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,280
Let's drink some whiskey.
When we come back, I want to

664
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,720
talk about the other two actors,
Tail, you and John Magaro,

665
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,080
because I think they also knock
it out of the park.

666
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,640
And their characters are
obviously crucial to the movie,

667
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,880
but they're what really gives
the movie it's color for me.

668
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,040
So let's try this.
Jack Daniels 12.

669
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,400
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

670
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,240
All right, so today we are
checking out Jack Daniels 12

671
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,280
year batch one Last week we had
Jack Daniels 10 year.

672
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,320
This week, Brad, I, I wish we
could have found a Korean

673
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,680
whiskey to drink for this
episode, but in doing some

674
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,560
research, I only found one major
distillery in Korea.

675
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,600
And even then saying major, it's
a, it's a minor distillery, but

676
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,520
it's really the only one that's
importing to America wasn't able

677
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,800
to secure a sample for us.
So we said let's keep rolling

678
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,920
with Jack Daniels.
And here we are man.

679
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,720
What did you think of last
week's 10 year?

680
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,200
I think it was good, not great,
like not enough to make me want

681
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,960
to buy it.
It was intriguing and fun and

682
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,760
and like you know, I like trying
new whiskeys but nothing that I

683
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,080
would like write home about.
So the nice thing with these

684
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,960
Jack Daniels well aged versions
that we've been drinking is

685
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,000
there's really not a ton of
variance from what's in the mash

686
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,640
bill.
Like this is 80% corn, 8% rye,

687
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,960
12% malted barley.
You guys know what Jack Daniels

688
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,640
is?
It's 107 proof, which is nice.

689
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,320
I think that's like a perfect
proof point for you and I, Brad,

690
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,880
we always talk about how we want
just slightly more proof.

691
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,320
But when you start getting into
the teens and 20s, it can be a

692
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,680
little harsh.
So this is really nice, man.

693
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,320
I, I just poured it out in my
glass and even sitting, you

694
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,040
know, 6-8 inches away from the
glass, I'm getting immediate

695
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,720
notes of banana pudding on this.
Way more than I got on the 10

696
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:09,720
last week, to be frank.
Yeah, the banana here is the

697
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,480
most pleasant version of Jack
banana that I have ever gotten.

698
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,640
It's Okie.
It's like the fruitiness I get

699
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,960
from it is like a artificial
mixed Berry that I actually

700
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,000
really enjoy.
But there is like some caramel

701
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,440
and brown sugar and it it it
feels like sitting in the barrel

702
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,440
long enough has imparted some of
those bourbon Y notes that

703
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,760
really round out the experience.
I'm sitting at an 8 out of 10 on

704
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:39,480
the nose.
I'm.

705
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,360
Going to give this an 8.5 and
it's because your boy likes

706
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,320
banana.
I do think there's a sense of

707
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,320
artificiality to the banana a
little bit.

708
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,760
That's why I said banana
pudding.

709
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,760
It reminds me of like those
really great southern style

710
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,520
layered banana puddings with the
vanilla wafers in them and like

711
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,280
the the vanilla or banana
pudding that actually goes into

712
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,440
them.
So I get the artificial and the

713
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,080
slices of banana.
It's really beautiful.

714
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,000
I actually think that I like it
way better than last week's 10

715
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,440
year.
And I'm wondering if there's

716
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,080
some weird alchemy going on
between 10 seemed over oaked.

717
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Is it going to come back around
and bring out new notes in the

718
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,720
flavor we're going to see?
I haven't tried it yet.

719
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,680
So why don't you give us your
tasting notes, Brad?

720
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,800
Bob this palette is incredible.
For me, the caramel turns into

721
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,920
like a really beautiful
butterscotch note.

722
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,040
The vanilla really comes through
here.

723
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,040
There's brown sugar, the the
banana is there, but it's not

724
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,200
overpowering it.
It really does remind me of a

725
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,200
banana pudding that that's a
good note.

726
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,000
And for me, the the mixed Berry
turned into like a Berry blast

727
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,120
crunch, which is like easily the
best version of Cap'n Crunch.

728
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,960
I think this is a delicious,
delicious whiskey.

729
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,800
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2
out of 10.

730
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Yeah, Brad, I think this is a
really good whiskey.

731
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,320
I think the banana is like
almost absent for me on the

732
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,000
palate, though, And it may be
just because I was expecting so

733
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,080
much of it, but we always talk
about that banana note on Jack,

734
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,960
and it's always more present on
the nose than it is on a palate.

735
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,080
And I'm just waiting for the one
that is going to be a banana

736
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,280
bomb for me.
It hasn't happened yet.

737
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,840
This is super oaky.
There's a lot of oak.

738
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,800
There's a lot of like tobacco
and leather notes, like really

739
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,560
earthy kind of notes going on
here.

740
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,120
It's complemented by like a
black cherry note for me and

741
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,240
some classic bourboni brown
sugar notes.

742
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
I just wish there was a little
more complexity here.

743
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,080
So I'm going to come down to an
8 out of 10.

744
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:39,000
Still a very good whiskey, but
not as good as the nose for me.

745
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,800
The finish definitely falls off
a little bit.

746
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,480
Still really delicious.
The caramel and banana sit

747
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,840
there.
It definitely gets oaky on the

748
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,040
back end.
Doesn't turn into the bitterness

749
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,440
that you get from some higher
age stated bourbons and, you

750
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,440
know, American whiskies.
But I'm, I'm going to say it,

751
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,880
man, this is a really solid
experience.

752
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,560
There's a little bit of black
pepper.

753
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,440
I like the finish a lot.
I'm coming down from my palate,

754
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,240
but I'll still give it an 8 out
of 10 here.

755
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Yeah, I think I'm just going to
be slightly below you on almost

756
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,080
everything today.
I'm at a 7 1/2 on the finish,

757
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,200
really nice.
I think it kind of continues to

758
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,080
get simplified the longer I go
into the tasting process.

759
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,480
The nose was more complex, the
taste less so, the finish even

760
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,160
less.
It's just kind of like vanilla

761
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,480
extract and oak for me, which is
nice, but again, kind of lacking

762
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,040
that complexity that I think
would make this a really special

763
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,840
whiskey.
So I'm going to be at a 7.5 and

764
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,480
on balance, I think I'm also
just going to give it a 7.5.

765
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,440
I'm slightly let down.
It's probably because your boy

766
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,720
loves banana so much and it's
just not there.

767
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,200
So I need to reset my
expectations, but they were set

768
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,280
at a very specific point with
the nose and then those notes

769
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,160
weren't carried through.
So I'm at a 7.5 here.

770
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,000
I'm actually at a nine out of 10
Bob.

771
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,560
Like I think that the each
individual part isn't perfect,

772
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,400
but it, it works together to
make something that is a really

773
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,280
cohesive, delicious experience.
So I, I'm, I'm coming up from

774
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,760
any of my tasting scores to give
it a nine out of 10 on balance.

775
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:24,080
I'm very fascinated.
As far as value goes, this is

776
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,880
MSRP, a $95 bottle of whiskey,
so not quite triple digits, but

777
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,920
still something you are going to
drop a very pretty penny on.

778
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,120
Where are you at on value?
This is hard because I think

779
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:43,000
just given that it's 12 years
age stated $90.00 is not asking

780
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,640
a ton for this.
The market on this is fair.

781
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,680
I would need to try more than
just this one batch to determine

782
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,400
if some of it, some of them will
be more complex.

783
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Because when you're approaching
$100, I want something that is

784
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,920
like I'm putting on my smoking
jacket and smoking my pipe next

785
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,080
to my fire.
Like I want a good, sturdy,

786
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,720
complex sipping whiskey.
And this one hasn't hit that for

787
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:09,480
me.
Good whiskey.

788
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,920
Would I spend $90.00 on it?
Probably not.

789
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,880
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10, Brad.

790
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:18,520
I'm at a 7 1/2.
I think this is good value. 7

791
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,840
1/2 for me on value is is the
point where I have to think of

792
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,480
whiskey is well worth the price
tag to give it a 7 1/2 or

793
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,160
higher.
I think that this is priced

794
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,720
properly as well as being worth
the money you're spending.

795
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,400
So I'm at a 7 1/2 Bob.
I'm coming out to a relatively

796
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,280
high 41 out of 50.
Oh wow.

797
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,200
OK, yeah, I'm at a 38.5 out of
50.

798
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,920
So that takes us to a 39.75 out
of 50 on average, just below

799
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,720
that 40 mark.
So this is a soft recommend just

800
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,400
judging on the score, but it
hasn't quite hit that like this

801
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,760
is a no brainer recommendation
that a 40 would indicate.

802
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,680
I do think it's worth picking
up.

803
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,560
I'm just slightly let down and I
think it could be a little bit

804
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,720
better.
It's like a.

805
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,000
It's like AB plus A minus
version of what I think this

806
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,400
could be.
See, that's the thing for me,

807
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,560
Bob.
I think this is the best version

808
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,960
of Jack Daniels I've ever had.
I.

809
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,400
Like it's not a perfect whiskey.
I don't think Jack Daniels is my

810
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,000
favorite flavour wheelhouse.
It's never going to hit a 45

811
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,240
plus for me, at least what I've
had of them, which we've, we've

812
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,800
drank a decent amount of Jack on
this, on this podcast.

813
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,760
Bob, I think this is the best
version of Jack I've had.

814
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,680
I I I think it is a really rich
and flavourful experience that I

815
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,400
would recommend bottle or bar.
I love it, man.

816
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,320
Yeah.
Usually you're not preaching the

817
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,440
gospel of Jack Daniel.
So this is a this is a big deal.

818
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,200
Yeah.
Good job Jack Daniels, you did

819
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,520
it.
Also I I went to sample this and

820
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,080
my 4 year old Sadie asked me
what I was drinking and I was

821
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,840
like oh it's Jack Daniels 12
year and she goes oh is Jack

822
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,680
Daniels friends with Daniel
Tiger?

823
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,400
And you said?
Yes, he is.

824
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,280
I was like, yeah, honey, I think
they're cousins.

825
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,240
Jack, Daniel, Tiger, you've got
it from us here first, folks.

826
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,480
Brad, let's jump back into
talking about past lives.

827
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,720
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

828
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,080
All right, everybody, That was
Jack Daniels 12 Year batch #1A

829
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,480
whiskey that answered a vitally
important question for us, Bob.

830
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,840
And do you know what that
question is?

831
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:42,120
I don't what's the question?
How much does Bob love bananas?

832
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,720
So.
Much he just he just loves him a

833
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:47,560
good banana.
Listen, we're talking about

834
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,080
Freudian stuff today.
I'm going to ask that you guys

835
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,920
don't read into that too much.
You know what you should read

836
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,760
into.
Is it 2 facts and a falsehood

837
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,000
the.
Fact that Bob is

838
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,840
overcompensating and two facts
and a falsehood.

839
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,600
Brad is going to try to stump
you.

840
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,040
Bob 2 are right and what is
wrong?

841
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,960
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

842
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,440
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

843
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,680
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

844
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,560
Brad, I am doing pretty darn
well.

845
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,320
What am I sitting at now?
Like 10 and 4 maybe?

846
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,400
Yeah, you've been killing it,
man.

847
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,480
This is this is your season.
You are like the Cleveland

848
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,080
Cavaliers of two facts in a
false Oh.

849
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,120
No, I lost last week.
I'm nine and five right now.

850
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,600
You you lost last week.
I lost last week on The Big

851
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,640
Short.
I thought you, I'm pretty sure

852
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,760
you won last week, Bob.
Well.

853
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,040
Good.
Then I'm going to change this L

854
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,840
to AW.
We're just going to say I won.

855
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,080
Yeah, 'cause you picked out the
Easter egg of the the Monopoly.

856
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Pieces.
Oh yeah.

857
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,480
All right, cool.
So I'm 10 and four.

858
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:55,920
Got it, man.
Let's freaking go.

859
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,320
I don't know a lot about the
making of this movie except for

860
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,920
like what has been widely
reported about Celine Song and

861
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,480
her weird marriage, so you might
get me.

862
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,160
The IMDb fact list for this
movie, normally there's like you

863
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,200
know, for big budget movies like
End Game there is literally like

864
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,920
200.
Most movies have anywhere from

865
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:22,840
like 30 to 70 facts written on
their IMDb trivia page.

866
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,280
This one had like 8.
See, what you should have done

867
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,960
is written 2 falsehoods and had
me pick out the one that's true.

868
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,160
In that sort of.
Scenario, you know.

869
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,880
What I should start doing?
I should start writing the

870
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,040
trivia things on the IMDb page
because then I can say that they

871
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,400
are true based on our standards.
Just start submitting

872
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,840
falsehoods.
I love it.

873
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,560
All right man, hit me with your
two facts and a falsehood.

874
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,400
Fact number One In preparation
for the film, director and

875
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:56,480
writer Celine Song took Greta
Lee TOU and John Magaro to a

876
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,720
house similar to the Artisan
Residence home in the movie and

877
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,880
conducted a Past Lives workshop
for each actor to explore the

878
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,600
hypothetical past lives that
each of their characters may

879
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,480
have had.
Fact #2 To enhance the emotional

880
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,760
authenticity of the reunion
scenes, director and writer

881
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,440
Celine Song revealed in a New
York Times profile of Greta Lee

882
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,040
that she deliberately kept Lee
and Tail You apart during

883
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,960
production, mirroring the
prolonged separation their

884
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,520
characters experience in the
film.

885
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,240
In fact #3 the Skype scenes
between Nora and Hey Sung were

886
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:35,520
filmed at the same time in two
different sets, connected by a

887
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,040
cable with built in throttle on
the connection, meaning that the

888
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,040
delay could be adjusted or
paused to get authentic

889
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:47,240
reactions from the actors.
All right, Brad, I think #3

890
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:50,480
sounds the most plausible to me.
You may have made that up, but

891
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,920
it just sounds it's a good fact.
1 and 2 are striking me as

892
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,800
potential falsehoods here and #1
strikes me as a potential

893
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,640
falsehood because I'm wondering
how pretentious the film makers

894
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,280
of this movie are.
If you're a pretentious artist

895
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,840
that is absolutely something you
would do.

896
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,080
You're a non pretentious artist
then.

897
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,320
That's a falsehood.
I mean, consider, consider how

898
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,120
we started the episode, Bob,
when you talked about

899
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,240
Challengers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah #2 like

900
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,640
physically distancing the actor
is like, yeah, maybe you could

901
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,120
do that.
I don't know how effective that

902
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,080
would be.
So I, I think it's one of those

903
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,880
two, my gut says #1 is the
falsehood.

904
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,280
And I think that for the sake of
time here, I'm just going to go

905
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,600
with one as the falsehood.
Brad, Bob.

906
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,080
You should listen to your gut
more often.

907
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,680
It has not steered you wrong
this season.

908
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:50,400
You are just like a true
cavalanche of correct answers

909
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,800
this season.
What Cavs player would you say

910
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,240
that I fill the role for on this
podcast?

911
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,760
Tristan Thompson.
Fuck you man.

912
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,280
Married to a Kardashian?
Divorced from a Kardashian?

913
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,040
A little.
Past such time but but still

914
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,680
just, you know, a great guy to
be around.

915
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,840
Whatever, whatever man, let's
get back into talking about past

916
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,200
lives, Brad.
And we left off by saying that

917
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,320
we're going to revisit tail you
and John Magaro.

918
00:52:21,720 --> 00:52:24,440
John Magaro we just talked about
last week on The Big Short.

919
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,000
Here he is again.
Akron, OH native, my guy John

920
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,800
Magaro.
I'm so excited to be talking

921
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,240
about him.
Can I just say, like, out of all

922
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:40,040
the actors to randomly have to
never have had in 9 1/2 seasons

923
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:44,600
of this podcast and then he's on
two weeks in a row freaking

924
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,920
killing it?
Yeah.

925
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,840
Listen, this dude is going to be
nominated for an Oscar within

926
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,240
the next 5 years.
Like mark it down, book it.

927
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,840
How much?
How much do you want to bet on

928
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,480
that $50.00?
I will short you that bet.

929
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,080
Put put it in a CDO squared
that's.

930
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,480
Right, 'cause I'm jacked to the
tits.

931
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,120
So the key piece of this movie
for me, the key scene is one

932
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,040
that you mentioned and it's the
one where the two of them are in

933
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,360
bed together, Greta Lee and John
Magaro.

934
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,640
And it's his perspective on this
whole thing.

935
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,000
And it's not just that it's the
best written and potentially the

936
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,680
best acted scene in the whole
movie.

937
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,120
It's that it is the most
narratively necessary scene in

938
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,760
the movie.
Because without that, he has a

939
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,800
nothing character.
He is literally just a guy

940
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,320
that's getting cucked by his
wife.

941
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,040
And I think the fact that they
give him so much deep,

942
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:45,880
vulnerable fear in that moment
is what makes this movie have

943
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,960
deeper meaning.
Because without it, it's just

944
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,680
the story of these two people.
And he's a bystander.

945
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,520
And with that scene, it's a
movie about three people with an

946
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,240
equal amount of emphasis and
empathy on all of them.

947
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,320
And what it captures so
beautifully.

948
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,120
And, you know, this isn't
something I've experienced, so

949
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,760
I, I can't speak fully into it,
but I would imagine that for any

950
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,320
marriage or like, you know,
partnership of two people who

951
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,960
specifically spoke different
languages from one another

952
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,680
growing up that lived in
different countries from one

953
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,880
another growing up.
I have to imagine that like what

954
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:31,040
he says about her speaking in
Korean in her dreams, it like

955
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,840
it's got to be true where
there's a part of you that

956
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:39,440
always wonders, like, am I
missing a part of you?

957
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,000
Do I have full access to your
soul?

958
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,360
And, and it's a question that
he's probably been pondering

959
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,760
since the moment he met her and
was attracted to her.

960
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:56,720
It's a question that is like, am
I enough?

961
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:03,080
Like, am I enough for this woman
who I deeply love and respect

962
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,680
and want to make her better?
Like, am I keeping her from

963
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,960
something, from a true part of
herself?

964
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:16,880
And in a culture where we, in my
opinion, unfortunately place so

965
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,560
much stock in our inner feelings
and like being true to

966
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,920
ourselves, there's this place
where he basically tells her,

967
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,200
like, if you were just quote UN
quote, being true to yourself,

968
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,880
like this is the greatest story.
Like you fall in love and you

969
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,760
run off with your childhood
sweetheart.

970
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,400
And I'm just the dumb American
that stood in the way.

971
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:46,040
And and she just lovingly,
gently is honest with him and

972
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:47,880
says, yeah, there was something
there.

973
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:53,640
Like she's not trying to
gaslight him and yet reassures

974
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,320
him.
But what we have is real too.

975
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,800
And we can't live in a fantasy
world.

976
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,560
We have to live in the world of
the choices we've made.

977
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:08,640
And it's just one of the best
scripted scenes of any movie

978
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,400
I've ever seen.
As if the goal is to represent

979
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,240
the honest human experience
well.

980
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:17,280
And I talked earlier about how I
think so many lines in that back

981
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
half of the movie have multiple
meanings.

982
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,440
And so he's going on and on
about like how frightened he is.

983
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,920
And, and to his credit, he's the
only character in the movie to

984
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,320
that point that has like
completely verbalized out loud

985
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,080
what he's thinking.
Everything else has been non

986
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,600
verbal or communicated through
body language.

987
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,200
And the fact that he says, like,
I'm really afraid in this moment

988
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,320
and the story that you guys are
writing is a really good story.

989
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,400
And in that story, I am not the
hero.

990
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,200
And that concerns me.
And the way she shuts him down

991
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,320
is by being the realist in that
moment.

992
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,080
At first she says she just says
that's not how life works.

993
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,920
And then he pushes back and
says, like, yeah, but what if

994
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,000
you met somebody else at that
artist residency?

995
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,440
What if you were living with
him?

996
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,360
And.
And then all she says is this is

997
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,840
my life and I'm living it with
you.

998
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:12,800
And on the surface level, it
just seems like almost a cold

999
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,760
thing to say.
But the way she says it, like I,

1000
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,160
I wrote down 5 or 6 different
meanings, Brad.

1001
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,360
Like she's shutting him down,
She's reassuring him, she's

1002
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,720
shutting herself down from
fantasizing about something

1003
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:31,200
else.
She's mourning the sacrifices

1004
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,120
and the compromises that she had
to make to be in this moment by

1005
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,120
just telling herself, this is
this is who I am.

1006
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,200
And she's reaffirming her own
commitment to him all in one

1007
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,400
line.
It's an incredible moment of

1008
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,360
acting and writing and not
overwriting.

1009
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,920
That's the great part of this
movie is like, there is so much

1010
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,840
between the lines, both spoken
and unspoken in this movie that

1011
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,840
it doesn't pander to you as an
audience member.

1012
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,280
You have to fill in those
blanks.

1013
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:05,080
Absolutely.
I could go on and on and on

1014
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,240
about this movie.
I I'm curious, is there anything

1015
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:13,040
about this movie that you're
like, I can't get out of this

1016
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,200
episode without making sure
filming Whiskey Nation

1017
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,080
understands this about the
movie?

1018
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,400
Because at the end of the day, I
feel like we are making a pitch

1019
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,520
for more people to see this
movie, which I think we're doing

1020
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,120
successfully.
You'll have to let us know.

1021
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,200
Jump on our Discord, jump on our
socials, let us know if you have

1022
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,320
watched the movie because of
this episode.

1023
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,080
But Bob, what, like give your
pitch?

1024
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:38,120
What, like beyond everything
we've already said, Like, what's

1025
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,640
something about this film that
just makes it so daggone special

1026
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,760
to you?
I think it's the avenues that it

1027
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,720
opened up for honest
conversation in real life for

1028
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,480
me, Like it accessed a part of
me that I felt seen by this

1029
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,920
movie.
This movie understands.

1030
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,200
And you and I come from a
background where we, you know,

1031
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,440
you grew up this way.
I came to it in high school of,

1032
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,880
of evangelical Christianity and
dating culture in evangelical

1033
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,200
Christianity is real messed up
because, you know, at the very

1034
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,960
least it was from like 98
through like 2015, correct?

1035
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,760
Our experience of it was like
dating is not so much you

1036
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,680
figuring out who you are, what
you want in a partner.

1037
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,440
It was like identifying your
spouse and then immediately

1038
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,200
committing to that person and
you are locked in for life.

1039
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,200
And that is just that.
A that's not, that's why it

1040
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,480
didn't ever work when you were
dating in the evangelical world.

1041
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,200
That's also why so many
evangelicals, I think, have

1042
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,880
horrible foundations in their
marriage.

1043
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,400
Brad And like this movie sparked
a conversation between me and my

1044
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,920
wife where for the first time we
kind of felt permission to talk

1045
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,160
about the fact that like, yes,
like you, we both know we have.

1046
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,960
We had other relationships in
life, but we never really talk

1047
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,880
about the fact that there was
real love there or that

1048
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,720
sometimes you miss seeing people
that you had to cut out of your

1049
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,440
life because that's who you are
as a person now.

1050
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,640
And it is OK to admit that
sometimes you miss a person.

1051
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,120
Or to say, like, yes, there have
been times where after we've

1052
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,400
gotten in an argument, I've sat
down and wondered, like, how

1053
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,200
could my life be different in
this moment?

1054
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,200
Like, that is a human emotion.
It doesn't make you a bad person

1055
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,160
to experience that thought.
And in fact, it is significantly

1056
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,760
healthier to talk about those
things than to push them to the

1057
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,760
side and ignore them.
And I think for people of a

1058
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:36,240
certain culture like you and I,
Brad, this movie was not just a

1059
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:40,120
wake up call, but a really
necessary text for me to see.

1060
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:46,440
Yeah, At the end of the day, the
human experience is inherently

1061
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,320
an emotional one.
And our our emotions are like

1062
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,520
messengers from the front line
of a war.

1063
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,680
Like they come to us to let us
know this is what's happening in

1064
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,000
your world.
This is how your story interacts

1065
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,360
with it.
This is how your body is is

1066
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,680
responding to the things
happening around you, the people

1067
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,160
who are talking to you, the
relationships that you've had.

1068
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,920
And if you kill the messenger,
it doesn't mean that the war

1069
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,400
isn't still being fought on the
front lines.

1070
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,720
And so the ability to honestly
express our emotions in a place

1071
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,960
that is safe and where you can
be seen and secure in who you

1072
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,400
are in that moment and soothed
and like cared for is so

1073
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,040
evidently powerful in the human
experience.

1074
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,320
And this movie captures that.
And I think it captures it

1075
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,560
throughout the whole film, but
most perfectly in the final

1076
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:51,480
three minutes of the movie.
Like Nora and Haysung walk off

1077
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,480
to his Uber.
One of the facts that I learned

1078
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,600
was that Celine Song sends them
off to get the Uber in the scene

1079
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,440
and didn't tell them how long it
would be.

1080
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,880
Like like they truly were
waiting for a car to come and

1081
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,560
they didn't know when it was
going to come.

1082
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,520
And so they're sitting there
waiting.

1083
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,040
They finally, the car finally
arrives.

1084
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:19,440
He initiates the hug with her
because he has found validation

1085
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,760
throughout the film and she is
the one who's struggling now and

1086
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,360
she she hugs him and they talk
about in yon, which we didn't

1087
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,600
even touch on this.
But it's essentially the idea

1088
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:36,080
that in all of our past lives in
in a karmic Buddhist sense, like

1089
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:41,200
people who get married are ones
whose past lives have touched at

1090
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,000
least 8000 times.
And they just have a little like

1091
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:50,160
beautiful conversation about
like, I wonder what this life

1092
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,320
like what in yon it is leading
to where we are married, or

1093
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,040
maybe we were married in the
past in yon and and it's a

1094
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,400
really beautiful moment.
She walks back and it's the

1095
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,040
moment I love Arthur the most
because he didn't sit up in the

1096
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,040
apartment and sulk and he didn't
He also didn't go down to creep

1097
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,240
on her.
Like he's just sitting on the

1098
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,400
stoop.
He's not like craning his neck

1099
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,040
to see if his wife is making out
with another dude.

1100
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,160
He's just sitting there smoking
a cigarette.

1101
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:23,320
He knows what this weekend or
few days as meant to her and as

1102
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:28,120
she weeps he gets to experience
her as the crybaby 12 year old

1103
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,880
who is feeling her feelings and
he just loves her.

1104
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,840
Dude, I have seen this movie 3
full Times Now and I did not

1105
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,440
make that connection until this
time because they do it so

1106
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,640
subtly in the opening parts of
the movie when they first

1107
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,280
reconnect as 20 year olds or
whatever they are.

1108
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,120
He asks her, are you still a
crybaby?

1109
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,560
Do you cry anymore?
And she says no.

1110
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,560
Like I, I moved to America and I
felt like nobody cared about me

1111
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:56,960
crying.
And she said you used to be

1112
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,640
there with me and you would stay
with me when I was crying.

1113
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,120
And they say it one more time
when she's first talking to John

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01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,560
Magaro about him.
And they really sow this seed

1115
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,040
and you don't see that emotional
damn break.

1116
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,600
And I think that moment has
always been really impactful for

1117
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,720
me because you do see her
breakdown finally.

1118
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,840
She doesn't have to be, you
know, playing a role to support

1119
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,120
him and and not let tail you
down.

1120
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,040
But more than that, it's this
affirmation that like he has now

1121
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,000
fully become that person for
her.

1122
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,880
Her husband is the person now
who is there for her when she is

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01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,600
crying and who stays with her.
And it is like, dude, it's just

1124
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,000
such a beautiful picture of that
relationship.

1125
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:41,600
It's incredible.
And it's that moment where he

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01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:46,080
has been honest about who he is
in this story between the three

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01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,360
of them.
She has been honest about her

1128
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,600
role.
Like she tells it, you know, he

1129
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,640
asks, is he attractive?
And.

1130
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,840
And she goes, yeah, like, he's
really masculine in this weird

1131
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,560
Korean way that makes sense if
you're born in Korea.

1132
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,320
And and like, they're honest
with each other throughout.

1133
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:07,120
And because of all that, that
honesty, the payoff is the fact

1134
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:11,960
that their marriage is deeper
than it ever could have been.

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01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,640
If T OU doesn't come back into
her life.

1136
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:22,800
And you know, I said it earlier,
Arthur gets to experience a

1137
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:29,000
fuller, more integrated version
of his wife that her story now

1138
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:37,080
includes 12 year old crybaby
Nora instead of just being adult

1139
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,840
Nora that he's known for the
last 12 years.

1140
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,280
All right, man, we've we have
really gone on with this movie.

1141
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,680
It's freaking phenomenal.
It's time for us to get to our

1142
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,040
last segment of the day, which
we call let's make it a double

1143
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,080
we're.
Near the end of the episode.

1144
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,040
So thanks listening to the film
and whiskey show.

1145
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,760
Let's pair another film with
this one.

1146
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,000
Even if it's struggling.
It's the final segment of the

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01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,440
day.
Now let's make it a double.

1148
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,400
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1149
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,280
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1150
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,640
feature, right?
There's a million movies I can

1151
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,200
pair this with.
You know, I've talked about

1152
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:11,800
Brief Encounter, I've talked
about ET.

1153
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,520
I'd like to hear from you first.
What's your pair with past

1154
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,240
lives?
Oh this is such a tough one.

1155
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,760
I'm kind of in between 2 movies.
I want to pick one because I

1156
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,600
like it more.
I think the other one's tone and

1157
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:35,000
pacing fits this movie better.
I think I'm going to pair it

1158
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,400
with the movie I like less, but
I'm going to pair it with Lost

1159
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,360
in Translation.
Oh, interesting.

1160
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,160
I.
I think there's a place where

1161
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,920
you get the characters of Lost
in Translation asking very

1162
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,520
similar questions, and they
answer it in very different

1163
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,760
ways, right?
Like that film involves an

1164
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,640
affair and this one does not.
But I think both of them are

1165
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,200
paced in similar ways.
They ask similar questions, they

1166
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,040
both have quietly funny moments
throughout the film, and I I

1167
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,680
think it would make for a really
interesting evening to watch

1168
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,240
Lost in Translation and Past
Lives.

1169
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,640
So what was your other movie,
The one you like more?

1170
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,440
I think La La land I.
Knew it.

1171
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,680
Yeah, I wrote down La La Land.
Yeah.

1172
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,640
I think La La Land has a lot of
similarities, but it's just so

1173
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,480
much more vibrant of a film it
it like it's hard to pair it

1174
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,960
although.
If you watch La La Land 1st and

1175
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,400
then immediately jumped into
this movie, you'd be in the

1176
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,080
perfect headspace for this
movie.

1177
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,360
Yeah, I, I, I would actually
agree with you there.

1178
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,560
Because we didn't even talk
about this.

1179
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,600
I think this movie does a really
good job of subtly also

1180
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,120
underscoring her character with
the immigrant experience and how

1181
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,360
when she's first talking to John
Magaro, she's like, he's so

1182
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,360
Korean and it makes me feel like
I'm less Korean and should I be

1183
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:55,760
more Korean and so like her.
Her infatuation with him is also

1184
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:59,800
trying to figure out, like who?
Like, am I Korean still?

1185
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,760
Should I be more Korean?
Like, what does this mean for

1186
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,080
me?
I've given up on a lot of hopes

1187
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,600
and dreams to be where I am
here.

1188
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,520
Or I've pursued a dream and
given up on a past life.

1189
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,920
And that's like, literally the
plot of La La Land.

1190
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,600
So yeah, I think that would be a
great pairing, Brad.

1191
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,640
I think I'm going to go ahead
and pair it with a movie that is

1192
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:22,120
even more tonally wild than La
La Land would be, but it's

1193
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:26,520
because not too far off.
It's a movie called Everything

1194
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,680
Everywhere All at Once.
It's a movie that I I don't like

1195
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,080
as much as this movie and I
think that I'll, I'll under

1196
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,120
score that when we get to it in
a few weeks here.

1197
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,319
There's this line that John
Magaro says to her when they're

1198
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,279
sitting in bed and he has 2
great lines.

1199
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:42,960
One of them is my favorite line
in the movie where he tells her

1200
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,880
you dream in a language I can't
understand which.

1201
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,160
Is what a great line, dude.
Oh.

1202
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,160
My gosh.
But he tells her, you make my

1203
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:54,040
life so much bigger.
And I just wonder if I do the

1204
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,840
same thing for you.
And that moment hit me.

1205
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,840
There's this moment in
Everything Everywhere All at

1206
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:04,319
Once where Kiwi Kwan's character
says, like, you know, even

1207
01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:07,520
though I know that you're going
to break my heart again, I just

1208
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,760
want you to know that in another
life, I would have really liked

1209
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,560
just doing taxes and laundry
with you.

1210
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,880
And it's and they're in the rain
behind the Opera House.

1211
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,840
It is unbelievable.
And I think that those like

1212
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:27,800
supportive husband characters
helping their like Asian wives

1213
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,399
go through an emotional journey.
It's like that's the connective

1214
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,520
tissue here.
It's it's a wild pairing, but

1215
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,240
I'm going to pair it with
Everything Everywhere All at

1216
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,080
once, just.
Based on that scene, I'm with

1217
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,200
you man.
Like, yeah, we'll talk about

1218
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,040
Everything Everywhere All at
Once in a few weeks.

1219
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,439
I freaking love that movie.
I've seen it since I saw it in

1220
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,960
theaters, and I definitely came
down a little bit.

1221
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,040
But man, it's moments like that
that make me understand why that

1222
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,960
film did so well at the Oscars.
Let's Make It a Double was

1223
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,320
brought to you by Blackwood
Distilling Company.

1224
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,880
No matter what movie you choose
to pair this with, you can

1225
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,200
always make it a double with
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1226
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,680
Blackwood will expand your
horizons, Bob.

1227
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,760
It'll never hold you back.
We need to get Zach Johnston

1228
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,480
back on here.
He seems like a guy that would

1229
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:18,440
like past lives.
He really does seem like a guy

1230
01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:22,240
that like past lives, although
based on your history of like.

1231
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:26,640
Predicting movies I would like.
Who knows, man?

1232
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,920
He he might be he'll just he'll
come in here and like knowing

1233
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,840
his his journeys over the years,
he'll be like, I lived in Korea

1234
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,920
for eight years.
This this movie does not

1235
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,800
accurately represent the Korean
experience, you know Yeah.

1236
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,880
And then he'll like.
Start speaking in Korean.

1237
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,800
Yeah, sure, Zach.
Zach, come back on, man, we miss

1238
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:45,760
you.
Brad.

1239
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:47,240
It's time for us to give final
scores.

1240
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,640
This is a 10 out of 10.
This is this is like every time

1241
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,800
I see it, I think I'm going to
go down a little bit on this

1242
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,320
movie.
And I put it number one over

1243
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:57,840
Oppenheimer last year and over
the holdovers.

1244
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,240
And I watched both of those
movies again in the last, what,

1245
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,040
four months?
And I was like, oh man, past

1246
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,480
lives has a lot to live up to.
This is one of the best movies

1247
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:10,080
of the 21st century.
It is an all timer for me and it

1248
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:16,240
is 10 plus out of 10.
I so this movie is like from

1249
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:20,360
opening to credits rolling, it's
an hour and 39 minutes.

1250
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:25,920
So First off, I'll call it
because it is in that hour.

1251
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,400
It's like an hour and 39 and
like 42 seconds, but I'm still

1252
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,840
going to call it a 90 minute
film, so perfect amount of time.

1253
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:38,360
Secondly, the first like 45
minutes of this movie to to an

1254
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,520
hour, it's around the hour mark
that things really shift for me

1255
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,920
is like a nine, maybe 9 1/2 out
of 10.

1256
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:52,600
But the last 40 or so minutes of
this movie are so perfect.

1257
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,320
And, and everything that you
said, Bob, about the seeds that

1258
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:00,360
have been sown, they all are
harvested in the most beautiful,

1259
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:04,480
perfect, meaningful ways.
I'm with you, man.

1260
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,640
This movie is a 10 out of 10
yes.

1261
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,720
Oh, I'm so happy.
Do you know how hard it is for

1262
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,920
both of us to hit on a 10 out of
10, Brad?

1263
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:18,040
We might disagree on ET.
We might disagree on the

1264
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,880
assassination of Jesse James by
the Coward Robert Ford.

1265
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,320
But Brief Encounter and Past
lives, baby.

1266
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,160
Folks, I cannot recommend this
movie highly enough.

1267
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:31,080
It is one of only 3 movies so
far this season that have

1268
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:34,560
received a perfect 10 out of 10,
and it's joining Oppenheimer and

1269
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,760
Whiplash in that club.
And I will say I'm glad it is

1270
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,240
because those are two very like
Broy manly movies.

1271
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:44,320
And this is not necessarily a
feminine movie, but it is a very

1272
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,880
different kind of movie.
And I think you need that

1273
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,280
represented here as well, Brad.
Absolutely.

1274
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,720
Go watch Past Lives.
This movie is absolutely

1275
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,000
incredible.
And like you said, Bob, it's

1276
01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:00,560
incredible because it speaks to
the human and soul at a really

1277
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,840
meaningful level.
All right, so it's definitely a

1278
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,080
modern classic, it sounds like
from both of us, Brad.

1279
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,320
I think that's it for today.
We want to know what you guys

1280
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,960
think of past lives.
Will you go watch it as a result

1281
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,560
of us talking about it for so
long?

1282
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,720
You can let us know and sing
poetically.

1283
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,200
Yes, you can let us know on all
of our social medias, Facebook,

1284
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:22,120
Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok or
YouTube at Film Whiskey.

1285
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,920
Or you can join the conversation
on our Discord server.

1286
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,480
You can find a link to it at the
end of every single one of our

1287
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:31,240
show notes.
Next week, we're taking kind of

1288
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:35,600
a hard turn from a movie about,
you know, confronting your past

1289
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,720
through nonviolent means to
confronting your past with

1290
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,520
extremely violent means.
We're watching the modern day

1291
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:45,120
boxing classic Creed.
So join us for that one next

1292
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,320
week.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1293
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:50,320
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.

1294
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:14,760
Music.