Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood (2019) / Eagle Rare 17-Year Bourbon (2024) ft. Noah Gittell

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In 2019, director Quentin
Tarantino and stars Brad Pitt

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and Leonardo DiCaprio gave the
world a sprawling reflection on

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the death of the golden age of
Hollywood.

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In 2025, we just couldn't stay
away from this brand for more

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than a season.
The film is Once Upon a Time in

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Hollywood.
The whiskey is Eagle Rare 17

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and.
We'll review them both.

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This is the The Film and Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And this week we are looking at
Quentin Tarantino's 2019 film

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Once Upon a Time Ellipses in
Hollywood.

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I I expect you to hold that
ellipses with respect to Bob.

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I know you do.
We need, we need to pause for

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reflection as we say the title
of this film.

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You know, Bob, I never knew when
we watched The Assassination of

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Jesse James by the Coward Robert
Ford that there would be so many

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titles that I could use to just
be annoying.

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Yeah, and you have really paid
dividends on that bit, man.

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It's been 6 years here on film
and Whiskey Brad, this is an

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interesting movie for me to
record today because it's one of

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the first films that came out
after we started this podcast

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that I remember doing like a
video review for using our

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podcast social media channels.
And this is back in the day

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where we were only reviewing
movies from like the 40s.

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So it is it's just very strange
that we're all the way up to

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2019 now.
We're talking about a movie that

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I have not seen since that first
time in the theater in 2019.

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And I'll give a huge spoiler
here, Brad, because the first

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time I saw this movie, I was not
a big fan of it.

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Bob, Robert, what?
What is wrong with you?

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I listen.
Believe me, I have.

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I have searched high and low for
answers to that question, Brad

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not not just as it pertains to
this movie.

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I need to talk to your
therapist.

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Well, we have somebody here that
could maybe play the role of

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therapist today for us because
we've brought back one of our

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favorite people to guest on this
episode today.

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It's our friend, critic and
author Noah Getell.

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Noah, how are you tonight, man?
Guys I've had 8W sours and I'm

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ready to go.
The best point about that scene

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is he's like you couldn't have
just had 4W sours.

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Oh man.
What a great scene.

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It's so it's so good, man.
Brad, I have so many thoughts on

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this movie.
I don't want to dive in too

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quickly.
So let's set the stage here.

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Let's let's tease our audience
just a bit.

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Folks.
If you're new to film and

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whiskey, welcome in the title's
pretty self-explanatory.

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We talk about movies, we talk
about whiskey this season of the

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podcast.
What we're doing is going back

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through the last 20 years of
cinema history, and we're asking

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the question, does this movie
deserve to be considered a

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modern masterpiece?
We're trying to build the 21st

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century Canon here, Brad, and we
have an interesting artifact

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here of the 21st century.
This is a movie that I'm pretty

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sure you have not seen until
this watch.

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Is that correct?
That is absolutely correct Bob

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and I have done my best to stay
as spoiler free as possible.

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I, I think the most I knew was
that Brad Pitt is a stuntman and

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Bruce Lee, well, there is a
cameo.

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How, how do you say it?
Bruce Lee is not in the movie,

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but Bruce Lee is in the movie.
Yeah, sure.

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You would say an actor plays
Bruce Lee in the room.

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There we go.
Thanks, Noah.

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I believe that's the technical
terminology is is.

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Portrayed in the film.
I I think that's what I was

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trying to say.
There you go.

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All right.
So that's that's the extent of

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Brad's knowledge on the movie.
And I think that provides us the

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most natural segue into our
first segment of the day, which

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we call, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that Brad

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explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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Brad, this is very much true
today and given given what you

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said you knew about the movie,
I'm very excited to see you dive

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into explaining the entire plot
here, folks.

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What we do in this segment is
allow Brad free rein.

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He will spoil the hell out of
this movie.

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So if you have not yet seen Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood, it is

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bananas.
So you should probably go watch

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it and then come back and listen
to the rest of the episode.

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Brad, you have 60 seconds to
spoil the film and go.

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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is
a film that follows Rick Dalton

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and his stunt double Cliff
Booth, played by Lena Leonardo

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DiCaprio and Brad Pitt as they
wander about Hollywood,

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pondering their futures, trying
to figure out if what they are

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currently doing is right for
them or if they need to take a

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new pathway for their careers.
It also follows Sharon Tate,

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played by Margot Robbie, as she
lives just an idyllic few days

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in Hollywood.
It all culminates in a few

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months spent in Italy by Cliff
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They come back and have a very
Tarantino just incredibly

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peaceful, beautiful,
philosophical ending.

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Yeah, very much so.
By this is by.

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Philosophical You mean aortic
spray then yes, we we have

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achieved that for.
Sure dude, when Brad Pitt just

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like slams that girl's head into
like 8 different objects across

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the house, it's.
Incredible.

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Let me tell you something before
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And I want to get to Noah.
Watching that scene in the movie

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theater with the sound design of
that scene, I have never been in

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such intense discomfort as as
listening to the noises that

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were being made by flesh hitting
objects in that scene.

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Unbelievable.
It's absolutely brutal and it

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and it definitely is a
discordant tone to end the movie

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on compared to everything that
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I think that is a wonderful
setup for where I'm going to go

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today.
Brad.

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Noah, I want to throw to you,
though.

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You know, we gave you the option
to choose any movie on our list

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this season, and you immediately
jumped at Once Upon a Time in

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Hollywood.
You did throw in the caveat that

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you didn't want to talk about
baseball movies, and that is

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understandable at this point.
But why this movie?

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What What attracted you to this
one on our list this year?

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Well, I was really excited to
hear Brad do the Plot Summary.

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In fact, I've been looking
forward to it all day because

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I've watched this movie 5 or 6
times and I'm not sure what the

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plot is.
I would say, were you satisfied

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with me skipping over pretty
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You actually did really well.
You did.

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You did better than I would have
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I would have said something like
an actor and a stuntman hang out

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and watch TV and then this other
actress that goes to a

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bookstore.
And then there are these cult

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members who almost kill someone
at the end, but then they.

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Get killed.
I did forget to mention the

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cult, which is a somewhat major
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It is somewhat major and also
like not at all important in a

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way.
Like that's kind of the whole

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movie to me.
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love about it and why I will
always come back to it to try to

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understand more of what
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And I've come to the conclusion
that I don't think he knows

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exactly what he's doing.
I think this is in some ways

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like his most out of control
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He has said it's his most
personal movie, which is odd

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considering he was only 6 when
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place.
I mean, I know he was in LA, but

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I don't think he was super
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Maybe some of it.
So I don't know exactly what

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he's thinking and what he's
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I have a few ideas, but my my
guess is that he started making

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this movie and he just fell in
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You know, because this is a
movie.

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I think it's his his most tender
movie outside of maybe Jackie

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Brown.
And I think it's it's his only

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movie that would be like qualify
as a true hangout movie like

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from beginning to end.
And I think he got Leo and Brad

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and Margot in this movie.
And he was like, I just want to

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watch these people play these
characters and live their lives.

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And it's an immensely
pleasurable experience to me,

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despite the fact that two of
those 3 characters are probably

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terrible human beings.
But that's the genius of the

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movie.
That's the genius of these

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actors.
And in some ways I think that's

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the point.
But we can maybe unpack that a

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little bit more as we go.
I actually think I, I don't want

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to speak for Brad, but I will
speak for myself.

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I think you've actually nailed
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I think that is everything you
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And yet I feel like I fall on
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the fence on this movie.
It is by far his most unfocused

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movie.
And I, I said this to Brad

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earlier, it's my least favorite
Tarantino by a considerable

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margin.
Like I'm not counting Death

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proof.
I don't really, I know people

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love to count that one.
I don't really count that one of

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his, you know, own unique works.
I think it's my least favorite

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Tarantino.
And this was only my second

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watch.
So I gave it a good, you know,

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five years in between to make
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what I was doing here.
And I'm still landing in the

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same spot.
And Noah, you said that you had

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a few ideas behind why the movie
shook out the way it did.

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I'm wondering, Brad, if it's OK
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Maybe we just kind of let Noah
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episode here.
Let's let's listen to his

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theories and debunk them one by
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Well, these are the things the
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I watch them.
And I don't know how much of

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this is intentional because I
did read the novelization Once

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Upon a Time in Hollywood, and he
makes things explicit in the

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book that are ambiguous in the
movie.

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And I'm less interested the more
explicit he makes them.

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For example, I don't really want
to know that Cliff Booth, like,

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was part of a dog fighting ring
and that's how he got Brandy.

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Like, that makes it less good to
me to know that Cliff Booth was

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out there.
Like letting dogs murder each

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other for money.
Somehow that's worse than him

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killing his wife.
I'm not exactly sure why, but

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that's another thing that is
unambiguous in the book.

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Not a big Michael Vick fan, no.
Hardly.

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No, I I was the owner of two pit
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So Brandy is a special, special
dog for me.

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So again, I don't know how much
of this is, is intentional, but

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what it makes me think about is
he's making a movie about a

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transitional time in Hollywood
history.

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So he's probably also thinking
about the current era and the

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transitional moment we're in
now.

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And, you know, one of the things
that is has been much written

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about, much discussed of this
era is that we are losing movie

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stars.
We just don't have them anymore.

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We don't have people who can
carry movies the way they used

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to.
We have characters, superheroes

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and comic book characters who
are more important than the

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actor playing them.
And, and how this is really bad

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for the business.
And, you know, in some ways, I

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think this movie is him showing
us the power of a movie star.

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It is him lamenting, maybe even
call it an elegy for an era that

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is going away, just like Rick
Dalton is is represents an era

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that's going away in the film.
And the scene that made me

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realize this was the scene when
Brad Pitt is on the roof and he

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takes his shirt off because that
is a a moment that Harkins back

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to how Brad Pitt got his start
taking his shirt off in Thelma

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and Louise.
And like, it's his trademark.

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His chest outside of his face is
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He's got a lot of trademarks.
And I feel like in that moment

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he was saying, look at Brad
Pitt.

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He's still got it.
And once you do that, we're in

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in meta text, you know, we're
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much as the characters.
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how terrible these these
characters are, you know, Cliff

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Booth in particular, this is a
man who killed his wife.

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And yet I maybe Bob doesn't feel
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I still really like these guys
and I still want to hang out

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with these guys.
And I think that the only thing

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I can say for certain is that
that's part of the statement

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Tarantino is making here is he's
saying, look what a movie star

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can still do.
If we give them the chance, they

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can make these despicable people
likable, relatable and somebody

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you want to drink whiskey sours
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So that's one, that's one idea.
Should I move on or do we want

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to talk about that one?
No, let's talk about that for a

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second.
And, and I hope I don't throw

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you too far off track, but you,
you are falling victim to a

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classic blunder here.
And I, I feel like I need to

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address it.
It's it's a thing that Brad and

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I have interrogated a lot,
especially with well established

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directors who have some amount
of cache due to making really

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good movies.
And it's like, once you've

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achieved master status, can you
still misfire or, or are you

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given such a benefit of the
doubt that, you know, for me, I

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think this is a a very poorly
plotted movie.

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I don't, I look at the way that
it's set up and it's, it is a

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hangout movie and it is very
shaggy.

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But then there's also a lot of
questions I have about like, why

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is the scene filmed this way?
Why is it structured in a two or

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three day stretch for most of
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And then there's a jump forward
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Six months.
What is the Sharon Tate

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character even doing in this
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Should we have just kept her
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And then him being allowed
behind the fence is like, it it,

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it's almost more impactful that
way if we don't really see her

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throughout the movie.
I, I say all this because I

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think that you're already
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stuff.
And we're giving Tarantino a lot

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of credit in saying that, like,
he's leaving behind the plot of

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his own movie to take you into
Meadaville and like an

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interrogation and an examination
of stardom.

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And I'm not saying he's not
doing that, but I, I feel like

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people so easily dismiss the
weirdness of this movie in

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Tarantino's like Uvra because
they just want to give him so

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much the benefit of the doubt
and say he must be doing

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something more.
And I just want to pause it like

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maybe this is just not his best
effort.

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I do wonder why with a lot of
directors we kind of skip over

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that part of the thought
process.

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Well, I would say first of all,
I'm not a Tarantino fanboy.

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Like there's several of his
films I don't love at all.

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And in fact, as a person, I find
him very, very great in and

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maybe even worse than that,
maybe worse than that, I'm not

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sure I would want to ever have a
conversation with him in real

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life.
So I didn't necessarily go into

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this movie like expecting to
love it or wanting to be him in

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a masterpiece.
Although I agree with you if

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that happens, you know, and this
is where we differ.

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But like, my retort would be
like, this is an immensely

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pleasurable movie.
When I watch this movie, I am

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smiling the whole time.
I even took a picture of myself

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watching it 'cause I was like, I
want to remember how my face

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looks when I'm this happy.
That's what I did the other

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night when I watched it.
And, you know, obviously our

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your mileage will vary, unlike
whether this is an enjoyable

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experience for you.
But like, there's only so many

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times as a film critic, I can
just say this movie slaps.

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You know, like without getting
into the ideas behind it.

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And I will acknowledge, and I
have acknowledged, and in this

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case, I'm not sure all that I'm
reading into it is intentional.

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But that's never stopped a film
critic before, and it's

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certainly not going to stop me.
Yeah, I mean, I listen to you

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guys and I, I feel like I
watched a different movie

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because for me, yeah, I don't
feel like this movie is shaggy

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in the sense of, like, lacking
direction and focus to, to me,

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like, even like the character of
Sharon Tate feels like the

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optimistic view on what
Hollywood can be even as it

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passes away.
Like I, I feel like she

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represents a very important role
in the movie of like, regardless

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of the old guard of Hollywood,
there's always something new

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coming on the horizon, Somebody
who still enjoys watching

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themselves in a movie.
And, and there's just something

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beautiful about that character.
And you, I don't know, I found

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myself utterly entranced by
every single character, by so

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many shots there.
There are so many incredible,

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beautiful shots in this movie.
And I like as I think about

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Tarantino pointing out the
transition of one era to the

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next, I find it fascinating that
this movie came out in 2019

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because like, obviously there's
no way he knows what's coming

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the next year in 2020.
But he and other film makers

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have gone on record of saying,
like, ever since 2020, like

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cinema just has completely been
altered.

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Like the, the whole deal between
was it HBO and WB where they

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were streaming all their movies
right away for the year and now

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they're back to the cinematic
releases.

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But like so much happened in
COVID that it really feels like

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2019 to 2020 was a 1969 to 1970
type of transition.

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And so I, I don't know, I just,
I was thinking about all of

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these things as I was watching
it.

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I did not for a moment feel like
this movie was really shaggy.

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Interesting.
Yeah, I I do think that even if

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you don't find it Shaggy, what
what I noticed reading reviews

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of it and you sent me a couple
reviews as well as that everyone

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sort of acknowledged that the
general vibe of the film.

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Maybe it's the pacing, maybe
it's something else was totally

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new for a Tarantino film.
And he's like a master at

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hangout level dialogue, right?
Like the the opening restaurant

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scene in Reservoir Dogs and the
opening scene in the car in Pulp

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Fiction.
Like he's always just been a guy

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that really cleverly writes 2
dudes hanging out talking about

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stuff.
And yet I feel like formally,

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functionally, this movie is just
very different and he's trying

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something new.
And Brad, you actually brought

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up earlier when I told you that
I wasn't a huge fan of this

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movie.
Like, how could you not be a fan

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of this movie?
This is his licorice pizza.

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And you know how much I love
licorice pizza.

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And I would actually posit
something different.

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And you can't argue with me,
Brad, because you haven't seen

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the movie I'm going to
reference.

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But Noah can argue.
I love licorice pizza and I

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understand like it's a
California set hangout movie.

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So yes, there's definitely some
parallels there.

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This actually reminds me a lot
more of a movie from PTA that I

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didn't like either.
And I'm in the small minority on

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that one.
And that's a movie called

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Phantom Thread, which I found to
be his most indulgent movie.

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It's a movie that is essentially
built to one final scene at the

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at the very end of the movie
that's kind of a rug pull and

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kind of a really funny, really
dirty joke.

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And it made the whole movie for
me feel like.

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You you undermined what you've
been building with the end of

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the movie and this just felt
like a really self indulgent

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joke upon the audience.
I don't think Tarantino like

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committed the level of sin to me
that PTA did with Phantom

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Thread.
But I always just found that

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like, it's really clear that he
wanted to write a story about

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the Sharon Tate murders and do
his revisionist history thing

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with them.
And so much of this movie feels

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like I I need to cobble together
some stuff to get us to this

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point.
And I think that's why it

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ultimately reminds me more of
Phantom Thread than Licorice

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Pizza.
Noah, I can see you by by your

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hands obscuring your face over
here that you are in utter

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disagreement with me.
So, So please take me down.

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But that's kind of where I land
on this one.

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Only I only disagree with you on
everything you said.

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No, no, not exactly.
Phantom Threat is my favorite

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Paul Thomas Anderson movie, so
we'll get that out of the way.

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And.
Get him Noah.

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I, I, I agree, I agree with you
in theory that I mean, I agree

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with what you're saying.
I think I just disagree with

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like how it worked out.
This movie was compared to

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Inglourious Basterds and Django
Unchained when it came out as

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like another film in which some
of history's most famous

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monsters are revenged upon by
Quentin Tarantino.

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And yet this film does not feel
at all like those movies.

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I'm not entirely sure those
movies feel exactly like each

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other, but this one feels more
different than either of them do

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to each other.
And there are even scenes in

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this movie that feel like
they're supposed to be like the

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scenes have long drawn out
tension in those films.

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You know, Inglourious Basterds
has like 3 or 4 of these

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incredible long scenes of
tension.

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The opening scene for example, I
think the Strudel scene and the

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the Tavern scene and Django and
Chain has a couple of them as

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well.
This movie you have the Spawn

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ranch scene, which I think is
supposed to be as tense as

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those, but it just isn't.
And I don't feel that that is a

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failing of the movie.
I don't think I wanted it to be

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that.
I do think it got away from him

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a little bit.
But as I said earlier, I think

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it got away from him because he
he loves these characters so

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much.
I think this is his softest

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movie.
I think it's a movie that shows

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Quentin Tarantino is not the
hard ass that he used to be.

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There's a tenderness towards the
characters.

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There's a love towards the
characters.

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I almost feel like he doesn't
want to put them through what he

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put through his characters in
his other films.

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And I'm a sentimental person.
I like sentimental movies and

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maybe that's why I like this
movie more than you do.

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But I will just on the Licorice
Pizza comparison, I do feel

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compelled to point out both Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood and

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Licorice Pizza.
You know, in addition to both

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being hanging out film set in
LA, they have something else

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really weird in common.
And I don't know what to say

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about it except it's a really
weird coincidence, which is that

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they both are littered with
actors who are the children of

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famous Hollywood figures.
You know, and Once Upon a time

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in Hollywood, all of those
Manson women are like, it's it's

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it's Margaret Quali, it's my
Hawk, it's Rumor Willis.

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There's a bunch of other ones.
And Licorice Pizza has, you

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know, Cooper Hoffman, it has
Leonardo Dicaprio's father is in

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Licorice Pizza.
So not children, but family

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member Paul Thomas Anderson and
my Rudolph's kids are in the

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movie. 2 of Steven Spielberg's
daughters are in the movie.

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I don't know how these two
directors who are friends ended

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up doing this in both of their
movies at the same time, but it

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that's just one of many things
about this movie that I don't

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totally understand but continues
to fascinate me.

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Crucially, only one of the
films, though, features a line

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about enjoying peanut butter
sandwiches.

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I was literally about to say,
Bob, if Pussycat got into the

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car with Brad Pitt and Brad Pitt
just immediately said, do you

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like peanut butter sandwiches?
Would would that have like

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notched it up a half point for?
You immediate 9.5 out of 10 for

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me if we'd gone.
There, I told you off camera

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that I'm single again.
I've been trying.

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That line does.
Doesn't work.

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No, not so much man.
Not that was a very 1973 line,

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you know they.
Haven't tried the line on Bob.

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You you do that line on Bob and
man, he is ready to go.

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Good to know man, buy all that
away.

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Yeah, please do.
No, I'm with you, though, in

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that I, I do agree that this has
Tarantino's kind of tender

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streak all through it in a way
that Jackie Brown did.

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It's actually what I love most
about Django Unchained.

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And I, I found that critics have
really diverged on their

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opinions in Once Upon a Time in
Hollywood and Django, Django

446
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seems to get crapped on a lot on
film Twitter.

447
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,320
It's actually my personal
favorite Tarantino film and it's

448
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,720
for all of the reasons that you
just said about this movie.

449
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,800
I, I find it to be his most
humanist movie.

450
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,040
I find that he's not trying to,
like, bludgeon the audience with

451
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,000
violence in in a way that's like
almost insulting to the people

452
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,760
that it's pretending to
champion.

453
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,880
Which is like, there's a lot
more gunshots.

454
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,720
In that than there is not so
much bludgeoning.

455
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,200
Yeah, but but yeah, I'm with
you.

456
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,040
And, and what I really noticed
was at the very, very end of the

457
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,840
movie that that great scene with
Emile Hirsch and Leo DiCaprio.

458
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,520
And then like the the fairy tale
kind of music at the end, it's

459
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,640
that all three of these sort of
revisionist history films that

460
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,120
he made, they ended in very
different ways.

461
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,000
And Inglourious Basterds ends,
you know, with them carving the

462
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,440
swastika into Christopher
Waltz's head.

463
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,760
And it's a very kind of sick
joke at the end, but it's like

464
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,120
one more chance to screw the
Nazi, so why not?

465
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,760
And Django ends on a very
triumphant note, you know, with

466
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,880
them kind of riding away
together after the house blows

467
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,920
up.
This one actually really lingers

468
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,200
after the comeuppance.
Like, he clearly wrote it to set

469
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,040
things right.
And I found that to be, like,

470
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,080
for me, the most profound and
impactful part of the whole

471
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,280
movie because it's so quiet and
so sweet.

472
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800
And I think that, like, I'm
going to be honest with you,

473
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,840
Brad, the last 20 minutes of
this movie really boosted my

474
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,720
overall score of the whole film.
Dude, I I think that the end of

475
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,720
this film, you said it earlier,
Noah, it is the softest, most

476
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,520
tender Tarantino that we have
ever gotten.

477
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,280
That the film's ray of light,
that Sharon Tate, this bright

478
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,800
bit of sunshine, little piece of
joy that just wanders around LA,

479
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,760
she survives.
And I think that's this whole

480
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:55,920
movie for me kind of came down
to Tarantino loves movies.

481
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,760
He loves old television and he
loves the magic that it can

482
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,800
bring into people's lives.
And if it's up to him, he is

483
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,520
going to guard that magic, even
if it means making a movie to

484
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,120
revise history to keep that
magic true.

485
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,200
Like, like that for me felt like
the point of this movie.

486
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,960
And, you know, it kind of comes
back to a debate that we've

487
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,600
talked about before, Bob, like,
do you go to movies to be

488
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,120
entertained or to like think
more deeply about the world?

489
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,320
And I think Tarantino does a
little bit of both here, But he

490
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,400
he does the let's think deeply
about the world in order to

491
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,520
protect and preserve what is
beautiful and good.

492
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,720
Well said.
And yet here I am, still by far

493
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,200
the lowest score of the three of
us.

494
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Unmoved.
Unmoved by your persuasive

495
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,920
skills, man.
No, let me, let me ask you this.

496
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,680
I want you to introduce your
theory #2 to us here.

497
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,320
But you said something that
stuck with me a bit ago that

498
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,040
like you do think this movie got
away from Tarantino a little

499
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,280
bit.
And yet it's still a a, a

500
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,800
resounding success to you.
Yeah.

501
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,760
I mean, is it fair to say that
this is in some way like an

502
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,920
accidental success, then like
it, despite Tarantino being LED

503
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080
astray, it still somehow works.
I.

504
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,440
Absolutely think it is.
And part of me thinks that a lot

505
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,600
of Tarantino's movies are
accidental masterpieces because

506
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800
when I listen to him talk, I
don't think I've ever heard him

507
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,280
say a self reflective thing in
his entire life.

508
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:36,280
You know, he is, he is not an
introspective person as far as

509
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,280
we know, unless there's this
whole other side of him that

510
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,080
we've never seen.
But given how much, how many

511
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,120
words this man has spoken, you'd
think some truth would come out

512
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,480
from time to time.
And yet I find his movies so

513
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:52,920
intellectually engaging.
And honestly, watching this

514
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,240
movie and reading the
novelization was very

515
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,240
illuminating for me because I
thought the novelization was

516
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,120
terrible.
Like I, and I've read his other

517
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480
book too, and I don't, I don't,
I don't think he's a good writer

518
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,120
of prose.
And it's bizarre because he's a

519
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,640
brilliant screenwriter and a
brilliant image maker.

520
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,840
I mean, I think that's actually
his his bigger talent.

521
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,200
I know he gets a lot of credit
for his dialogue, but I think

522
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960
he's even a better director than
he is a a screenwriter.

523
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,320
So part of me thinks that once
he starts making the movie,

524
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,440
that's like things start
happening on an instinctive

525
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,200
level, you know, and because
this movie, he says, is his most

526
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800
personal, and I don't know
exactly what that means except

527
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,400
he grew up, He was in LA at when
this was happening and, and

528
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,320
maybe it made an impact on him.
I wonder if that's why it got

529
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,960
away from him a little bit, you
know, and the movie he wanted to

530
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,600
make ended up becoming something
different.

531
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440
I mean, he talks about this
movie almost like it's a memoir

532
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,520
piece, you know, and that is
just so vastly different from

533
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,760
anything else he's ever done,
which is always playing with

534
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,080
with genre.
So But I I think that's the kind

535
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,160
of movie I like the older I get,
to be honest with you.

536
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,680
I like movies that are a little
bit wild, you know, like my

537
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,640
favorite Wes Anderson movie is
is Rushmore, which I think of as

538
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,480
as a little bit out of control
as well.

539
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,720
Like there's, there's, there's a
psychology in that movie that he

540
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,720
hasn't quite, he doesn't quite
know exactly what he's doing.

541
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,120
And it's obviously very personal
to him.

542
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,920
And that's what I like about it.
I, I like the rest of his movies

543
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,080
too, but they're obviously much
more controlled.

544
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,960
So I think that that is a bit of
personal taste for me.

545
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,960
I'm really curious to hear, so
if this is like Tarantino's,

546
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:35,440
like personal childhood love
letter to Hollywood memoir, how,

547
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,440
how would you compare it to
something like Meet the

548
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,800
Fablemen's then?
Because I, I feel similarly that

549
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,040
like, you know, Spielberg is one
of the greatest of the greats.

550
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,720
But like, for me, that movie
felt a little bit Shaggy, like

551
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,480
it got away from him a little
bit.

552
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,120
Where do you think we're at with
director?

553
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,520
And, you know, maybe this isn't
a question about Fablemen's as

554
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,680
much as it is.
Why is it so hard for directors

555
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,000
to keep memoir type films from
getting away from them?

556
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,320
Well, I feel compelled to point
out I don't want to sound like a

557
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,800
broken record, but The Fable
Men's was my favorite film of

558
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:15,280
that year as well.
So all the movies you guys think

559
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,760
are just OK or worse are my
favorite films.

560
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,080
I I like the fable men.
'S I like it too.

561
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,960
Yeah, I was going to say I
enjoyed it.

562
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,160
Maybe not my favorite of the
year, but.

563
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,320
Well, you know, I, we should
point out that like, this was a

564
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,800
thing that's happening around
this time where a lot of film

565
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,560
makers were making their memoir
pieces and there was a lot

566
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,600
written on it at the time.
And people were saying it's

567
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,920
because the kind like it won't
be possible to make movies like

568
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,720
this at this scale for much
longer.

569
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,600
So film makers like Alfonso
Cuaron and Spielberg and

570
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,040
Tarantino, and I'm sure there
were a couple others, I guess

571
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,600
Paul Thomas Anderson as well.
On some level they're kind of

572
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,920
doing it now and they all were
sort of getting it out in in the

573
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,040
late twenty 10s.
So I think this movie totally

574
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,720
slots, you know, right alongside
all of those others as a memoir

575
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,800
piece.
And I don't know if these movies

576
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:11,240
are like better than these film
makers other films, but I like

577
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,080
them more.
I like seeing a director who is

578
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,160
very controlling and like
someone like Spielberg, who

579
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,120
really, you know, explores the
the breadth, the depth of the

580
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,800
cinematic possibilities.
I like seeing him get a little

581
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,520
loose and a little weird,
talking about his own childhood.

582
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,520
I found The Fablemans to be as
affecting as as any of his

583
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,080
movies.
And he did it without any of the

584
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,840
narrative crutches that he
usually uses, without spectacle

585
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,160
and without fantasy and without
visual effects.

586
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,840
And it's one of my favorite
Spielberg movies because of

587
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,000
that.
I'm, I'm, I'm moved by his

588
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,440
courage in doing it, in going to
this place.

589
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,680
It's so late in his life,
looking back at this painful

590
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,320
time in his history.
And I'm moved by his ability to

591
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,960
bring the same ingenuity and
skill to it that he does to

592
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880
these massive productions.
So maybe I'm just a sucker for

593
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,920
this kind of movie, but for me
they work almost better even

594
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,840
when they're not totally in
control, because that's more in

595
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,720
keeping with the spirit of the
of the film, what the film

596
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,080
makers going through.
Absolutely, man.

597
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:25,080
I, I think every single human
knows on an innate level that we

598
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,520
are weaving a story with our
lives that, that we are meaning

599
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,240
making machines.
And when film makers take the

600
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,520
time to reflect on the meaning
that they have made of their

601
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,320
stories, I, I'm with you, man.
I, I think it's a fascinating

602
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,680
endeavor.
I think it's why people are

603
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,200
fascinated by autobiographies.
The fascinating thing for me is

604
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,560
I don't know if necessarily I
did not know enough about

605
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,200
Tarantino to necessarily know
that this would be a memoir like

606
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,440
film.
So that makes it even more

607
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,200
meaningful in a sense.
Yeah, I mean, you're you're

608
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,600
right in that people want to be
able to narrativize their lives

609
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,720
and put their lives into
stories.

610
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,360
And it's worth noting that
Tarantino's version of telling

611
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,960
his story revolves around the
central question of what if I

612
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,000
could burn a hippie with a
flamethrower?

613
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,239
That, you know, that that seems
to be the question that he's

614
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,560
been sorting out in his own
psyche for all these years.

615
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,199
So and.
Can I also say his his version

616
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:31,320
of his own history is the story
of an actor whose career gets

617
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,320
revived, which is what he has
done to so many actors over the

618
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,159
course of the It's not a story
about himself, it's a story

619
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,080
about an actor who he does
texturally in the film.

620
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,000
What he did for many actors like
often.

621
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,679
That's actually a good point.
Once again, not an introspective

622
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:48,719
man.
He's just championing his own

623
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,520
abilities through this story.
Noah, you brought up Wes

624
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Anderson a bit ago.
And I think what I'm ultimately

625
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,560
doing with this episode is just
trying to figure out if we have

626
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,160
the same taste in movies or not.
But I do kind of think that

627
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,840
you're you guys really
pinpointed this, this trend in

628
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Hollywood that some of our more
established film makers are

629
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,240
getting their own personal
pieces out while they still can.

630
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,040
Wes Anderson's an interesting
one because I feel like his

631
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:17,560
early films were very personal
in a much more raw type of way.

632
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,640
And what you're seeing now is
him kind of playing with form.

633
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,840
He's, he's figuring out how much
of a labyrinthine Rubik's Cube

634
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,560
can I make my scripts into Brad,
he made a movie a few years ago

635
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,840
called The French Dispatch and
it, it's such an interesting

636
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,640
movie from a narrative
standpoint.

637
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,200
What I'm, what I do think,
though, is that as interesting

638
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,800
as it is to like, read the text
with Wes Anderson, now, I, I'm

639
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,360
detached from his movies in a
way that I never have been

640
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,720
before.
And I'm kind of getting the same

641
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,520
vibes with Tarantino in this
movie.

642
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,120
It feels like he started this
movie from a novelist or a

643
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,880
memoirist standpoint.
And he really wanted to be able

644
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,720
to demonstrate his encyclopedic
knowledge of movie history of

645
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:08,440
1960s California.
And there are so many scenes in

646
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,720
this movie where it's like, did
I really need Kurt Russell to

647
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,320
narrate a dinner held at some
random restaurant that is not in

648
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,760
any way pertinent to this story?
And so I think he kind of falls

649
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,800
in the same trap that that Wes
Anderson does.

650
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,040
Whereas Wes Anderson is, like,
really focused on this, the art

651
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,880
form of the screenplay.
Tarantino seems to be like, how

652
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,040
can I make this a novel?
Well, you know, it started as a

653
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,640
novel.
He wrote the novel first,

654
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,400
actually, and then interesting.
Yeah.

655
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,840
As he was writing, he was like,
I think this would make a better

656
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,480
movie.
And then he made the movie and

657
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,200
decided to finish the novel and
and put it out there for

658
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,920
whatever reason.
So I think you're I think you're

659
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,200
on to something there.
I just think when you talk about

660
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,400
this movie, like what is
necessary is like it's a tough

661
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,120
that's a tough conversation to
have because there's almost

662
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,040
nothing that's necessary because
I don't there's not a plot,

663
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,800
right, Correct.
Yes, there is no plot.

664
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,720
So I don't think any of it is
necessary.

665
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,640
It's a question of whether it's
enjoyable or not.

666
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,240
I honestly think this is a
movie.

667
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,760
This is a movie that you either
enjoy or you don't enjoy and

668
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,200
there's there's nothing that can
be done if you fall into that.

669
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,040
This does not make me smile,
camp.

670
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,800
Yeah, it's absolutely a Are you
along for the ride?

671
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Like when Brad Pitt takes a drag
on the acid cigarette and goes,

672
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,440
all right, here we go.
Like, like that could have been

673
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,080
at the very start of the movie
because that's the essence of

674
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,080
the film.
It's like, here we go.

675
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,720
Are you are you with me or are
you not?

676
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,240
I think part of it is the way
it's edited too, like so for a

677
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,000
long time, Tarantino worked with
this editor, Sally Menke.

678
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,800
They had a great relationship.
She passes away and then I think

679
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,720
from Inglourious Basterds on or
maybe Inglourious Basterds was

680
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,640
their last collaboration.
But it's it's worth noting that

681
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,240
his movies continually get
longer since that point too.

682
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,400
I think he probably has more
input in the edit.

683
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520
This is edited differently than
any Tarantino movie.

684
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,000
It has almost, forgive me for
this, Noah, but it has like

685
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,240
Family Guy style cutaways at at
points in ways that are like

686
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,440
anathema to what I'm used to
seeing in Tarantino.

687
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,080
You know, somebody at one point
he pulls out the acid cigarette

688
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,440
and he goes, where'd you get
that?

689
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,880
And he goes, oh, I got it from
some hippie.

690
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,520
And then they just show him
buying it from the hippie and

691
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,840
they cut right back to the scene
again.

692
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,520
It's a completely, once again,
it's an unnecessary cutaway.

693
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,600
I'm with you guys in that it's a
vibes movie.

694
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,160
But I think what I'm bucking up
against is that for all of his

695
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,240
really Florida writing,
sometimes, especially with his

696
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,600
dialogue, there's always been
like an economy to a Tarantino

697
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,400
movie.
Like, Reservoir Dogs is an hour

698
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:46,760
and a half long and this, this
is by far his least economic

699
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,960
writing.
And I think that that's like it.

700
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,720
It really sticks out like a sore
thumb among his filmography for

701
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:53,280
me.
Brad.

702
00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:00,160
Dude, I, I just, I never once
thought to myself, man, it, it

703
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,680
when's this movie going to be
over?

704
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,360
Which like.
I thought, could this please go

705
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:05,800
on forever?
That's what I think.

706
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,800
Yeah, I wanted to spend so much
time with Cliff and Rick that

707
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,200
like even when Rick I I don't
know how he manages this when he

708
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:23,480
is talking to Jay Sebring about
about what happened and he and

709
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:24,080
he's.
Like and the.

710
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,960
And the last one, I, well, I, I
don't know how to say this, but

711
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,120
I, he's a flamethrower, Jay.
I don't know how.

712
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,960
He's like, I roasted her or
something and he's like, you

713
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,680
roasted her?
He's like, yeah, I got that

714
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,360
flame thriller and.
Then he just looks at me.

715
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,000
He goes, yeah, the 14 cliffs of
what?

716
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,080
What should we call it?
There's a great like the facial

717
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,360
expression on Leo.
It is so earnest.

718
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,080
There's a cut to him when Sharon
Tate is talking to him through

719
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,600
the teleprompter, the
teleprompter through the like

720
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,080
the PA system and just says,
well, is everybody OK?

721
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040
And he goes.
Well, can hit these aren't, I

722
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,640
could tell you that much.
Oh, it's so good, guys.

723
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,880
I think this is probably a good
place for us to hit pause.

724
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,480
We've been stepping all over
Noah's list of theories here, so

725
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,920
we'll come back.
We'll listen to theory #2 after

726
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,640
the break.
Brad, it's time for us to drink

727
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:19,640
some whiskey.
What do you say?

728
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:28,520
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

729
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,600
checking out for the second time
this season Brad Eagle Rare 17

730
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,000
year that.
Might be the craziest sentence

731
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,480
that has ever been uttered in
this podcast history.

732
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,280
It took us like, what, nine
seasons to even try it?

733
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,920
And then we got it twice in one
season.

734
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,560
We we've apparently gotten
inside the good graces of

735
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Buffalo Trace, despite all the
things Brad has said about them

736
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,120
over the years.
I I don't know what you're

737
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,200
talking about, Bob.
And they've sent us a sample of

738
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,200
Eagle Rare 17.
I think back in like January, it

739
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,720
came in and we were way down the
distribution list.

740
00:41:01,720 --> 00:41:04,720
So we got it kind of after that
initial rush, we've been sitting

741
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,800
on it for a while because at
first it was like, do we want to

742
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,880
do the same whiskey twice in one
season?

743
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,440
We typically don't do the same
whiskey twice ever.

744
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,560
But again, folks, this is
B.Tech.

745
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,160
This is some of the most sought
after whiskey in the world.

746
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,440
I kind of feel like, Brad, if
we're going to be like do our

747
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,080
due diligence here, then we have
to go all in and and try this

748
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,280
whiskey.
And this is a service that we do

749
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,960
for you folks.
It's it's hard work, but

750
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,560
someone's got to do it.
Yeah, we, we take our task very

751
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,960
seriously and and we will
sacrifice on your behalf.

752
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Now the 2023 batch.
So what?

753
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,840
Let me say this, this is the
2024 batch.

754
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,360
It just came out in the fall.
We tried 2023 earlier this

755
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,520
season and that proved to be one
of the best whiskey's Brad has

756
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,440
ever drank.
On this podcast.

757
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,120
I'm looking at your scores,
Brad.

758
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,000
You gave it a 45.5 out of 50, so
a 91 out of 100.

759
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,080
This one has some big shoes to
fill, a lot to live up to here.

760
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,360
It does of course clock in at 17
years, this one specifically 17

761
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,080
years, four months.
There's some really cool things

762
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,040
that Buffalo Trace does with the
fact sheets they send out with B

763
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:21,520
Tac it like including the
evaporation loss on every one of

764
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,240
the B tacs because they're so
well aged.

765
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:29,680
This batch had an evaporation
loss of 86%, so only 14% of the

766
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,000
whiskey that went into the
barrels that made this blend up

767
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,440
was remaining when they actually
blended it together.

768
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:40,800
That's insane dude.
I can't imagine a world where

769
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:46,840
you put liquid in at 100% full,
the barrels completely full, and

770
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:52,120
there's only 14% left.
That's like.

771
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:58,120
That is mind boggling to me.
How frustrating that has to be

772
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,360
as a distiller.
Yeah, like that's insane, dude.

773
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,920
I can't imagine how hazmat this
was in the barrel before they

774
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,440
proved.
It down.

775
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,640
Oh my. 201 proof, like it had to
be in the one 40s at least,

776
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,400
dude, minimum.
All right, let's dive in.

777
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,280
Brad, I am picking up on the
nose here and I'm drinking this

778
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,760
live.
Brad's already tried it.

779
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,760
I don't know if it's this
Glencairn I've been using, but

780
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,840
I've been using a Glencairn from
our friends at Doc Swinson's

781
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,040
that they branded and sent to us
a long time ago.

782
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,280
And it's got a like a, a, just a
little bit of a wider kind of

783
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,400
bell curve to it than the one
that I had been using for the

784
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,320
last season or so.
One of them curvy Glens.

785
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,160
Oh.
Dude it is thick with two CS

786
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,920
daddy and listen it.
It really adds a perfumey note

787
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,440
to most of what I've been
drinking.

788
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,960
It's like almost a Cologne type
note.

789
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160
So like I, I wasn't expecting to
stick my nose in this and get

790
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,360
notes of Old Spice, but there's
there, there's something going

791
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,160
on here that is both like
perfumey floral and a little bit

792
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,880
Old Spice, like Old Man Cologne
and it is really throwing me

793
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,160
off.
That's the first thing I

794
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,640
noticed.
I'm going to dive in.

795
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,280
Brad, why don't you keep giving
your nosing notes while I figure

796
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,360
out what's going on over here?
Are you sure you didn't like

797
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,200
accidentally spray that
glencairn with Cologne and then

798
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,360
like like bake it in somehow?
That's actually how I test all

799
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,320
my colognes is I'm like, I'm
going to spray the inside of

800
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,360
this glass first before I put it
on my body.

801
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,600
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, give it a nice Kentucky

802
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,560
chew.
Oh yeah.

803
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Bob, the nose on this Eagle Rear
17 is wild and complex.

804
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,600
There is cranberry there.
It's got a really nice bready

805
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,640
flavor to it that there's a bit
of like a chocolate cacao nibs.

806
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,160
There's caramel.
I I think that this has a lot of

807
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,280
really nice fresh notes about
it.

808
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,360
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2
out of 10 here.

809
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,760
I'm going to give it a nine.
I I can't get past these

810
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,040
perfumey notes, Brad, but they
are like kind of dancing above

811
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,480
all of the notes that you had
here.

812
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,600
It's a classic bourbon with a
little bit of that kind of dusty

813
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,040
floral.
Noah's Mill, you know, will it

814
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,120
funk a bit?
It does have some really tart

815
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,760
Berry notes as well.
I like this a lot.

816
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,920
And I think that I'm already on
board with this to the extent

817
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,160
that I can remember the 2023
version.

818
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,320
I'm on board with this more than
that already just because this

819
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,280
seems like it's going to go to
some interesting places.

820
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,680
Yeah.
Yeah, I, I mean, I think for me,

821
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,400
the palate has a lot of really
nice things going on.

822
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,640
It's got a bit of like a a
Baker's chocolate.

823
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,520
There's cinnamon, it's got
Graham cracker there.

824
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,920
There's a bit of like a mixed
Berry tart light.

825
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Like you get a little bit of
that pastry flakiness along with

826
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,920
like a really nice tart mixed
Berry.

827
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,480
I'm going to give it a nine out
of 10 on the palate, Bob, this

828
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,480
is delicious.
Yeah, I agree.

829
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,880
And Eagle Rare has always been
in that kind of like spicy range

830
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,960
where I prefer my weeded
bourbons.

831
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,720
I prefer my bourbons a little
more mellow.

832
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,240
Eagle Rare is definitely it
packs that peppery punch, and

833
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:11,440
this one does too.
I'm you can tell how much my

834
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,320
mouth is watering.
I think it's really prickly on

835
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,720
the palate.
It it drinks hotter than 101

836
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,920
proof, but that doesn't mean
that it's unpleasant by any

837
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,920
stretch.
For me, the note that I'm

838
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:26,480
getting on top of all this is a
really fresh ripe Peach, like

839
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,120
it's it's got Peaches for days.
It tastes like a summertime

840
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,760
whiskey to me.
I am really digging this man.

841
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,800
It's it's the classic eagle rare
notes with just a little bit

842
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,600
more of an oak punch, but not
over oaked and not char and not

843
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,000
ashy.
And then you get this great

844
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,320
summer stone fruit thing going
on top of it.

845
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,760
I'm going to give it a nine once
again.

846
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,120
I think the finish is where this
one really stands out.

847
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:56,240
The the oakiness stands in and
gives it like a firm foundation.

848
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,520
It gets into those really nice
pepper places.

849
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,480
The cranberry really comes
through on the finish.

850
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:09,800
It reminds me of like a baked
oatmeal with like a mixed Berry

851
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,400
yogurt on top of it.
I really like the finish a ton.

852
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,800
I'm going to give it a nine and
a half.

853
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,400
Yeah, I'm going to come down
just a little bit to an 8 1/2.

854
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,960
I actually really love the
flavors here, but it's just not

855
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,440
quite as long lasting.
And when you said yogurt, I

856
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,880
think what's actually lacking
for me here is like a sense of

857
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,280
creaminess or oiliness or
anything that kind of gives that

858
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,760
lasting like coat your tongue
impression.

859
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,320
This one gets a little bit thin.
And I mean thin in that like the

860
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,960
ethanol kind of lingers a little
bit and it makes the finish

861
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,600
dissipate more quickly.
It's still a really good finish,

862
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,280
but I think for me, I do wish it
had a little bit more like

863
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,920
creaminess, flabbiness to it
here.

864
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,440
So it's an 8 1/2 for me.
You know you like them, flabby

865
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,600
baby.
How many times do I have to tell

866
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,240
you?
Yes, we all know that.

867
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,080
Proudly.
Oh my goodness.

868
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,640
Moving on from that, I think, I
think balance wise this is a

869
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,200
nine out of 10.
Like there is complexity of

870
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,000
flavor.
There is all sorts of really

871
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,720
interesting notes that work
incredibly well together.

872
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,240
It's a nine out of 10 for me on
balance.

873
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,760
I think I'm going to be in the
same spot, Brad.

874
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,560
I, I actually feel like I like
this whiskey more than a nine in

875
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,720
almost all these categories.
But being objective about it,

876
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,160
it's, it's not quite to the
level of the like transcendent B

877
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,600
tax we've had, but I do think
this is probably better than any

878
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,240
of the 2023 B tax.
Like we went through that entire

879
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:47,600
line up and I was in the 39 to
44 range and I feel like this is

880
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,040
something that feels more
special than any of those ones

881
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,560
did to me.
I, I think I'm not quite with

882
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:58,280
you, Bob, that this one has
amazing flavors.

883
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,720
It is complex.
It's deserving of the title of B

884
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:04,000
Tac.
I think that the 19 year Eagle

885
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,560
rear 17 from last year just had
more of a punch, more

886
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,240
complexity, a little.
It was a little more interesting

887
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:16,400
of an experience and like
deserving of the B Tac moniker.

888
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,080
I think for me when it comes to
value.

889
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,280
And obviously folks, if you've
been around filming whiskey for

890
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,800
long enough, you know that once
we hit like $250 plus we're

891
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,720
talking luxury whiskeys now, I
know that this is technically

892
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:37,440
$150.00 MSRP.
We can call this a luxury

893
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,120
whiskey, can we not?
Very fairly, yes.

894
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,360
Yes.
So in the world of luxury

895
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,800
whiskey, I'm going to give this
a 7 out of 10 on value.

896
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:49,800
I like I think it's really,
really good.

897
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,120
It's not quite at the level of
other Eagle Rare seventeens that

898
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,240
I've had.
And I I found myself at the end

899
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:03,600
of the day wishing that this was
like 111 proof instead of 101.

900
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,080
I do think we really like
whiskeys that fall between that

901
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,160
one O 7 Weller proof point and
then like the 1:14 one sixteens.

902
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,600
That really does seem to be the
sweet spot for us.

903
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Brad, I'm going to do something
before I give my value score.

904
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,080
I just looked behind me on the
shelf and I have literally 1 sip

905
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,680
left of the 19 year from 2023
and I want to try it just to see

906
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,920
which one I like better.
If you will indulge me for just

907
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,720
a minute.
Yeah, have at it man.

908
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,080
I, I love that 19 year.
I think, I think this is like

909
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,000
the fascinating element of B
TAC, though, is like they've

910
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:47,120
created this like elite culture
where you, if you want to be in

911
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,520
the know, you have to get every
single year at least one of the

912
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,560
five bottles.
And I that's like what I hate

913
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,400
about B TAC.
But it does make for an

914
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,560
interesting experience where you
can compare and contrast the

915
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,480
different years and releases of
the whiskey.

916
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,080
I mean, how many people who are
huge sport fans don't spend time

917
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,240
debating like which version of
your favorite team would win

918
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:15,440
the, you know, the 80s
championship winning team or the

919
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,360
2000s team that almost won a
championship?

920
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,360
Like who would have won?
Like, you know, I I think all

921
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:25,560
the time about the 2019 Buckeyes
and how they should have beaten

922
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,800
Clemson and won the national
championship, right?

923
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,680
I appreciate you vamping so much
for me to take this sip.

924
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:32,920
Oh, I.
I'm back.

925
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:39,720
I'm ready to to dive in The the
2023 is definitely like 10 times

926
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,280
more viscous and syrupy and it
has almost like a a really dark

927
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:49,280
wine grape character to it.
But it tips way too bitter at

928
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,800
the back end.
It actually, I don't know if

929
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,800
maybe just because of this
sample bottle having so little

930
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,480
in it, maybe it got a little
oxidized.

931
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,000
It was like unpleasantly bitter
for me.

932
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,800
I definitely prefer this new
one, but I can see how people

933
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,480
who enjoy the sort of thing I
just drank in the 23 would like

934
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,400
that one better because it does
feel more like a it.

935
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,320
It feels like a luxury bourbon
on the tongue, where this one

936
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,640
just feels like a really good
bourbon.

937
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,800
Feels like it has the elbow
patches on its sports jacket.

938
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,760
Very much so.
All right, So I'm going to go

939
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,280
ahead and give this a 7 1/2 on
value, Brad.

940
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,520
That's taking me to a very high
43 out of 50.

941
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,840
Where are you falling on this
one?

942
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:37,760
I am at a 43 out of 50 Bob.
After saying that it doesn't

943
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,600
achieve the heights you know.
Yeah, well, it doesn't.

944
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:47,800
I, I, I would say for the level
of notoriety that B.Tech has, it

945
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,040
needs to hit 45 out of 50 for me
to say, yeah, this is worth it.

946
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,440
Yeah, You know what I mean.
Like so you would call this just

947
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,320
by that definition, a
disappointing B.Tech?

948
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,840
I think so.
Interesting.

949
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:08,800
Yeah, I like and that's that is
all to say this is a 43 out of

950
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,560
50 folks.
It's an incredible whiskey

951
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,840
compared to the heights of B Tac
that you know, some of the stags

952
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:22,920
that we've had the the like
dude, the Thomas H Handy, like

953
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,240
those are the peaks, the the
beautiful mountain tops of AB

954
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,040
Tac experience.
And I hate to say this, Bob,

955
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,920
because I like eagle rear 17 was
my Unicorn for years and years

956
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,400
and years.
I think the eagle rear night,

957
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:45,040
the 2023 edition, I think hits
that level of wow factor to make

958
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,760
it worth it.
I don't think the 2024 edition

959
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,080
does all right.
Well, folks, there you have it.

960
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,600
We're coming out to the exact
same score, but for me it's an

961
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,280
achievement and for Brad this is
a let down.

962
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,040
So take do it that what you
will.

963
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,440
It's still coming out to an 86
out of 100 or a 43 out of 50.

964
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,080
Brad, would you recommend trying
or buying B Tac Eagle Rare

965
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:13,480
17/20/24?
If you have a choice between

966
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,880
this and other B tacs or even
other Eagle Rare seventeens, I

967
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,320
think I would say move
elsewhere.

968
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,600
If this is your only choice and
you know, you're like, wow, do I

969
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,440
want to spend 40 bucks on this?
I do think it's a really good

970
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,480
pour.
Like, I don't know, I'm not

971
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:34,720
going to tell you how to spend
your money.

972
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,320
You figure it out.
All right, man, what do you say

973
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,640
we rejoin our friend Noah Gatel
and keep talking about Once Upon

974
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,200
a Time in Hollywood?
Let's get to it.

975
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:52,480
All right, everybody, that was
Eagle Rare 17, a whiskey that

976
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,200
Bob and I ranked almost exactly
the same.

977
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,840
Oh, or exactly the same.
Were we both at a 43?

978
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,200
We, I think one of us was at a
43 and a half, one of us was at

979
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,080
a 43.
Beautiful.

980
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,960
And you said only negative
things about it, and I said only

981
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,480
positive things.
Somehow I don't think that's

982
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,640
where we're going to end up
today with the movie, though,

983
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,400
Bob.
Yeah, not so much, man.

984
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,960
But it it, it might be where we
end up with our next segment,

985
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,280
which we call 2 facts and a
falsehood.

986
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:27,960
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball. 2 are right and what

987
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,080
is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

988
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,560
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

989
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,560
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

990
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,480
which is a complete lie and I
need to figure out which one

991
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,120
that is.
Brad, I'm coming off of some

992
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,600
some ups and downs these last
few weeks.

993
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,320
Luckily I have a guest here for
the first time in a little

994
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,760
while.
Noah, the way this works is that

995
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,120
if I tap you in to help me
answer and we lose, I get

996
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,560
credited with two losses on the
week, but only one victory if we

997
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,560
win.
So Brad, this, this is his way

998
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,840
of trying to like get back at me
because I'm not going to just

999
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,800
like not engage with you, not
going to ignore you.

1000
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,640
So be prepared to take me down
here and give me two losses.

1001
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,720
I really hope you know more
about this movie than me, is

1002
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,320
what I'm saying.
I believe the last two times I

1003
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,720
have helped you with this we
have lost, so maybe the third

1004
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,000
time will be the charm.
Noah.

1005
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:30,800
Come on man.
Fact #1 Stuntman Cliff Booth was

1006
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,960
partially based on Jean LaBelle,
a real stuntman, professional

1007
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,920
wrestler and two time national
judo champion who came to work

1008
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,680
on the Green Hornet after
complaints by other stunt

1009
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,280
performers that Bruce Lee was,
quote, kicking the shit out of

1010
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,120
the stuntman.
Like Booth, LaBelle was

1011
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,480
suspected of murder but never
convicted.

1012
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,200
Fact #2 The controversial scene
where Cliff Booth fights Bruce

1013
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,160
Lee was originally a 7 minute
showdown, but test audiences

1014
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,440
thought it was too epic and it
overshadowed the rest of the

1015
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,160
movie.
Fact #3 When Sharon goes to a

1016
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:10,440
showing of her movie The
Wrecking Crew from 1968, the

1017
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,880
film makers chose to use the
actual film rather than

1018
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,520
recreating the scenes with
Robbie.

1019
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,280
The real Sharon Tate briefly
does appear on screen.

1020
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,240
All right, I I was typing
something during fact #2 what

1021
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:24,480
was the showdown was what, 2
minutes long?

1022
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,960
Bob that, that.
No, no, no, no, no problem.

1023
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,520
Hey, listen man, one of us has
to take notes to make these

1024
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,720
episodes coherent.
What's fact?

1025
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,040
#2 Brad The fight scene was
originally like a 7 minute

1026
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,160
showdown.
But it got the fight with Bruce

1027
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,040
Lee.
Yes, sorry, the Cliff, Cliff and

1028
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,440
Bruce fight, OK.
Noah I mean, I think it's got to

1029
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,560
either be one or two like
that's.

1030
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,600
I think I've got.
This one I'm.

1031
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,120
Sorry to say I'm really reticent
to say, but I think I got this

1032
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,200
one.
All right.

1033
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,680
Well, let me let me turn it over
to you here.

1034
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,360
I think it's #2 and I'll tell
you why.

1035
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,720
I mean, I know, I know the well,
Brad just made a weird face.

1036
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,920
Now I'm not so sure.
That's just his face, don't

1037
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:11,760
worry.
I know the character is based on

1038
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,840
a real stuntman.
I don't know the name of that

1039
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,320
stuntman, but it would not
surprise me if it was some

1040
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,040
obscure person I've never heard
of.

1041
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,640
How many stuntmen have I
actually?

1042
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,480
Heard of?
Are you also insinuating that

1043
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,720
stuntmen are just, you know,
murderers that don't get

1044
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,240
convicted?
Some of them, perhaps.

1045
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:37,080
Some of them, yes, and here's
why #2 just strikes me as false.

1046
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,720
I just don't think Tarantino
would trim down a scene that he

1047
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,920
loved because audiences felt it
throughout the pace of the

1048
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,800
movie.
Not a Bruce Lee Brad Pitt bites.

1049
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,240
I don't buy it.
I mean, as we know, this movie

1050
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,960
is famous for its impeccable
pacing anyway.

1051
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:01,120
So yeah, I think I'm going to be
with you.

1052
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,720
Noah.
Listen, if we're going to go

1053
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,160
down, we'll go down together.
Brad.

1054
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,120
I will say with Noah that number
2 is the falsehood.

1055
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:14,480
Gentlemen, you are 100% correct.
Yes, that is.

1056
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,360
The fault finally broke the
street.

1057
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,200
As soon as I read the words test
audiences, I was like, oh,

1058
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,960
Tarantino wouldn't give a shit
about his audiences.

1059
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,040
Why did I write that?
Come on, Brad.

1060
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,920
Yeah.
That's great, man, honestly,

1061
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,520
Noah, I Bob said that he was
typing and I was like, maybe he

1062
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,440
maybe he missed the test
audiences thing.

1063
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,080
Not me, buddy.
See, that's why we bring in a

1064
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:42,880
guest.
All right, Noah, we have been

1065
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,240
stepping all over your list of
theories here on why this movie

1066
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,520
is the way that it is.
I'd love to hear theory #2 if

1067
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,960
you'd be so kind.
All right, Well, look.

1068
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,160
Two or three, did we?
Did we get OK?

1069
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,320
I'm going to sort of combine 2,
which is this movie is

1070
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:07,520
regressive as like this this
movie when I think about the

1071
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:14,000
politics of this movie.
I like it less because so this

1072
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,920
is essentially a movie of
Cowboys versus hippies, right?

1073
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,840
Like Dalton's a cowboy on
screen.

1074
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,120
Cliff Booth is kind of a real
cowboy.

1075
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,920
Like what that would really be
like off screen.

1076
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,120
He's an actual hero and a
murderer.

1077
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,680
And the cowboy versus hippie
dialectic has been part of

1078
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,480
American politics for like 60
years.

1079
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,840
Like a really big part of
American politics for 60 years

1080
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,080
is the reason Ronald Reagan
wanted to be seen on his ranch

1081
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,040
all the time.
I mean, he was an actual Western

1082
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,480
star, but he understood that the
power of that image.

1083
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,160
And George W Bush, same thing,
always off clear and brush on

1084
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,880
his ranch or whatever, whatever
he was doing down there.

1085
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,840
And, you know, the cowboy is a
traditional alpha male.

1086
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,840
And that's certainly those are
some values that are associated

1087
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,640
with one side of the political
divide.

1088
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,920
And then the hippies, you know,
have been used as a scapegoat

1089
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,560
for, you know, so many things by
the right towards the left.

1090
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,360
Even these days when they talk
about, you know, crime in inner

1091
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,600
cities, like, or in how
disgusting New York is, things

1092
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,960
like that, that it that Harkins
back to the like, you know,

1093
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,960
liberals are hippies, hippies
are an American hippies are

1094
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,480
criminals.
Like this has been part, a huge

1095
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,280
part of the American discourse,
political discourse for years.

1096
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,280
And in this movie, it plays out
right.

1097
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:38,400
It is hippies versus Cowboys.
And he picks this moment in time

1098
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,840
and he makes the hippies, he
picks the worst possible hippies

1099
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,360
to represent hippiedum in this
movie, the ones who were actual

1100
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,000
murderers.
Like that is that is tipping the

1101
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,560
scales.
That is putting your thumb on

1102
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,760
the scales in a major, major
way.

1103
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,960
And on the other side, you've
got Rick Dalton, who, you know,

1104
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,000
I think Tarantino's knowing
about the fact that he's not a

1105
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,800
real cowboy.
He's a fake cowboy.

1106
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,720
But you've got Cliff Booth, who
is a wife killer.

1107
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,840
And yet we're rooting for him
over the hill.

1108
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,640
OK.
And that's another thing.

1109
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:16,760
That's another thing.
I have another theory.

1110
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,040
I'm glad you said that.
So we never see Cliff Booth kill

1111
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,480
his wife, right?
I have had this whole theory at

1112
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,760
the time, I don't know how much
I believe it anymore that that

1113
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,800
whole thing was meant to be
Tarantino's comment on the ME.

1114
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:29,720
Too.
Natalie Wood.

1115
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:31,880
Oh, I thought was Natalie Wood.
OK, OK.

1116
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,600
No, it's definitely.
Reference movement?

1117
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,440
Where?
Where are you going with this

1118
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:36,680
man?
Because this wasn't.

1119
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,000
I thought I had it pegged here.
No, I think it's definitely

1120
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,880
referencing Natalie Wood.
I think you're right about that.

1121
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,080
But you know, you got to
remember this was 2019.

1122
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,520
He's writing it in 2017.
He's shooting in 2018.

1123
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,400
This is right in the wake of the
Me Too movement.

1124
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,480
Like, a lot of stuff is still
coming out in this era.

1125
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:56,760
And here we've got a a figure in
movies who is accused of a

1126
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,920
violence against a woman and his
career is suffering as a result

1127
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,160
of it.
And nobody knows what happened

1128
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,960
because nobody else was there.
And Tarantino doesn't show it to

1129
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,720
us.
He lets us see like everything

1130
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,240
up until the moment and lets us
form our own own conclusions.

1131
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,040
And I thought that was an
incredible provocation at the

1132
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:20,240
time, like, you know, trying to
just touch on the the mood of of

1133
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,080
the moment and provoke us and
make us think about this sort of

1134
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,840
thing until I read the book and
I saw that don't know Cliff

1135
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,840
Booth totally, completely
brutally killed his wife.

1136
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,680
But it ties into the overall
theory, which is like he's

1137
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,120
totally he's stacking the deck
for the heroes, but in which is

1138
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,160
normal in a movie.
But in this case, in the in the

1139
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,440
context of the cowboy hippie
dialectic, I think it's really

1140
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,360
kind of politically problematic.
And I don't think that team is

1141
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,320
aware of any of this, but.
A a couple things that I'll say

1142
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,800
on that.
This most recent theory you just

1143
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,960
shared.
I, I agree with you.

1144
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,040
And I think that looking at his
movie prior to this, The Hateful

1145
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,800
8, which is a movie we haven't
even talked about, which I, I

1146
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,920
actually think might be his
worst movie, if I'm being

1147
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,240
honest.
Like, I'd like it less than this

1148
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:13,160
in that it's mediocre, but I've
always viewed that movie and

1149
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,520
essentially as Tarantino's
summation of his thoughts on

1150
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,160
race relations in the United
States.

1151
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,240
There is like this central
letter from Abraham Lincoln that

1152
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,640
is established very early on to
be bullshit.

1153
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:30,560
And inside that letter is all of
the platitudes that we

1154
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,920
consistently like parrot in the
United States about how to get

1155
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,280
along and respect each other.
And the way that movie ends is

1156
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,560
like, everyone's out for their
own survival.

1157
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:43,840
We're all trying to screw each
other over.

1158
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,520
And the only way that the main
black character and the main

1159
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,720
white character actually end up
working together is

1160
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:55,320
acknowledging the inherent
hypocrisy in each other and in

1161
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,800
the system.
Like, it's a really cynical read

1162
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,680
on race relations.
Sounds like a Coen Brothers

1163
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:01,960
movie.
Yeah, I mean it.

1164
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,000
It kind of is in the way that it
ends.

1165
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,080
So I don't think you're far off
here with this potentially being

1166
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,560
his comment on the Me Too
movement because, you know,

1167
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,640
Hateful 8 comes out in the wake
of so many, you know, police

1168
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:15,920
shootings and everything else in
that political climate.

1169
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,800
I I really do think that there
might be something there.

1170
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,800
And I think it's notable that he
cast Emil Hersh in this movie,

1171
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,840
who was persona non grata at the
time because he strangled a a a

1172
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,440
female executive, a movie
executive.

1173
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,680
And he hasn't really worked
since then in a mainstream

1174
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,920
movie.
So it does seem like I don't

1175
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,240
know if Tarantino's commenting
on me too movement or he's

1176
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,760
opposing cancel culture.
I mean, I think that's all on

1177
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,400
the table for him based on what
I see in the film and.

1178
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,520
I think you're caught you're
Cowboys versus hippies comment

1179
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,440
too.
It's interesting that you know

1180
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,920
Tarantino's favorite movie of
all time is The Good, the Bad

1181
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,600
and the Ugly.
He loves spaghetti westerns.

1182
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,640
He's on record saying this.
So yes, it makes sense that he's

1183
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,720
going to send Rick Dalton to go
be in a bunch of spaghetti

1184
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,680
westerns.
It's interesting, though, that,

1185
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:03,880
like, he doesn't see the
upheaval of the Western genre as

1186
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,600
part of the hippie part of on
the hippie side of the equation.

1187
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,360
Like, at the end of the day,
even though Rick is hesitant to

1188
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,280
be in these movies, he goes and
does it.

1189
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,120
And then like, it is brought
into the fold of Rick's side of

1190
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,560
things, which is like
championing good classic

1191
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,240
Hollywood, the past, you know,
not the future, not this

1192
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,520
ruination of this beautiful
thing that we have.

1193
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,640
So yeah, I I think there's a lot
to unpack there for sure do.

1194
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,960
You think is the good man, the
ugly, supposed to exist in this

1195
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,800
world?
Because Rick Dalton says very

1196
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,080
disparaging things about Italian
westerns.

1197
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,800
But this is 1969.
I mean, the whole Mam and No

1198
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,600
Name trilogy has come out
already by this point.

1199
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,280
That always struck me as a
little strange.

1200
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,320
All I know is that they say that
the the director he's working

1201
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,840
with is acknowledged as the
second best director of

1202
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,760
spaghetti westerns.
So I assumed that like, it's got

1203
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,000
to be Leone, right?
And it's possible that Dalton is

1204
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,920
just an idiot and doesn't know
that.

1205
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,120
Like they're actually great
spaghetti westerns.

1206
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,640
That 100% tracks.
You know, the more I think about

1207
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,520
it, I don't know if I want to
spoil my let's make it a double,

1208
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,880
but this would be such a weird
let's make it a double that I, I

1209
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,640
think I'll say it now.
You guys keep talking about the

1210
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,320
Sharon Tate character and I, you
know, deep down, if I'm being

1211
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:18,160
honest, I think this is a waste
of Margot Robbie.

1212
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,040
I'm I'm sorry, guys, She's
barely in the movie.

1213
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,240
She does nothing.
I love Margot Robbie to death.

1214
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,760
This character is a nothing
burger.

1215
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,400
But I think it's really
interesting how Tarantino is

1216
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:35,760
using Sharon Tate, the person as
a symbol, a symbol for like, the

1217
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,600
lost innocence of Hollywood.
Like, that her murder was a

1218
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,400
turning point in Hollywood, both
as an industry and as like, a

1219
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,920
community, a real geographic
community.

1220
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,960
And that by correcting the wrong
of her murders that, you know,

1221
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,400
we we've now set Hollywood back
on its idyllic course.

1222
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,600
And I think like, if there's
something that that reminds me

1223
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,000
of, it's the song American Pie
by Don McLean, where he, he

1224
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,800
pinpoints this, you know, the
day the music died, where the

1225
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,120
plane crash happened and
Rock'n'roll died as like the

1226
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,280
moment that a generation of
people lost their innocence.

1227
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,280
I I find it really fascinating
that like you said, 6 year old

1228
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,720
Tarantino would pinpoint this
this thing that happened as like

1229
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,319
the turning point moment in
Hollywood.

1230
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:25,399
Well, I do think historians have
sort of cited this and the

1231
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:29,399
Zodiac killer as well as like
the two the moment the hippie

1232
01:08:29,399 --> 01:08:33,080
wave sort of turned dark, you
know, when it when it crested as

1233
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:36,840
as Hunter Thompson said.
So I don't think he came up with

1234
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,720
that on his own necessarily.
I feel like that's been that's

1235
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,920
been discussed before, but on
the on the, on the Sharon Tate

1236
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,640
point, you know, I don't see it
as a waste of her.

1237
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,000
Like, I, I understand where
you're coming from.

1238
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,920
Like it's not, there's no
character there.

1239
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,520
Like she's just an Angel.
It's completely one-dimensional.

1240
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,880
But there aren't that many
actors who could do what she

1241
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,279
does in that movie theater
scene, you know, where you

1242
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,640
could, she could sit there and
be goofy and insecure and

1243
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,920
gorgeous and like have you be
right there along with her.

1244
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,359
That is a it's a rare gift, I
think.

1245
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,760
So I give her credit for that.
And I do think the character has

1246
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,439
a purpose.
I mean, Brad alluded to this

1247
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,840
earlier, but if there is an idea
in the end of this movie, I

1248
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:21,479
think it's that as Rick's time
was ending, there's two ways it

1249
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,760
could go.
You know, there's the really

1250
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,680
dark way, which is the way it
went.

1251
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:28,439
That's what could happen to
Hollywood.

1252
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,319
The Manson Family could like
that, could be the new character

1253
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,279
of this place that Tarantino
loves, or there could be these

1254
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:37,880
young, hip, beautiful people
like Sharon Tate who could be

1255
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:42,040
the next wave.
And in this movie, Rick Dalton

1256
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,560
kills the bad way and saves the
good way.

1257
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,680
And so I don't think the movie
would make much sense if that

1258
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,640
character were not involved to
that degree.

1259
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,359
Brad, it occurs to me that we
are like almost at the one hour

1260
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:54,880
and 10 minute mark or whatever
here.

1261
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,960
We really haven't talked about
like the actors or the the if we

1262
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,280
thought they did a good job in
the movie.

1263
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,760
Brad Pitt do so good.
Listen, Brad Pitt wins an Oscar.

1264
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,440
Brad Pitt's phenomenal in this
movie.

1265
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,600
No, I'd love to get your
thoughts.

1266
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,920
We've had Brad Pitt on a couple
times this season.

1267
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:12,800
This might actually be his third
appearance.

1268
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,960
Yeah, he's guested on this show
quite a few times.

1269
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,480
Brad Pitt has started doing,
it's like the He's challenging

1270
01:10:21,480 --> 01:10:25,400
himself to play every character
more and more understated, which

1271
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:30,360
is like really rare for a MW
star of his caliber.

1272
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,960
Moneyball, I think kind of being
like the apex of that where it's

1273
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,840
just like, I don't know if he
was just sleepy on set or if

1274
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,560
he's really doing an understated
thing.

1275
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,440
He kind of does it here too.
I I'm wondering what you think

1276
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:46,480
of like 21st century pit as
opposed to 90s movie star pit.

1277
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:50,240
Well, let me of of Moneyball, of
which I I know a few things.

1278
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:55,600
Let me say that people who know
Billy Beane well say Brad Pitt's

1279
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,800
performance was uncanny.
So I don't know how much of A,

1280
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,040
you know, low energy thing it
was or if it was really him just

1281
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,840
kind of matching the tenor of
that particular person.

1282
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,480
Got it, Got it.
You know, when I think of his

1283
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:12,680
earlier performances, I mean, I
all actors have more energy when

1284
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,880
they're younger, I think.
So Thelma and Louise and 12

1285
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,240
Monkeys, which is like a very
energetic performance, you know,

1286
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,360
that's that's a young actor
really trying to make a name for

1287
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,760
himself.
And it worked.

1288
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,200
You know, he became a star with
one and he got Oscar nominated

1289
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,120
for the other.
But, you know, Brad Pitt's 61

1290
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,000
years old now.
I mean, he's older than Paul

1291
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,480
Newman when he did The Color of
Money.

1292
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:40,120
And I don't think it's unusual
for a movie star to settle down

1293
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,080
a little bit as they get older.
And I don't know, Brad Pitt, I

1294
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,760
don't know if his personality
has settled down or not.

1295
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,560
I've there've been some stories
in the press that maybe, maybe

1296
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:54,120
not, but I don't I think it's, I
think it's good and normal and

1297
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,520
natural for a movie star of his
age to settle down.

1298
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,600
Frankly, I would I'd rather see
him make doing more performances

1299
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,240
like this.
And and if you were like,

1300
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,600
whatever Ferrari is or not
Ferrari, the F1 movie that's

1301
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,480
coming out soon is going to be
because that doesn't look at all

1302
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:10,960
interesting to me personally.
But on the other hand, you know,

1303
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,600
I think it's worth noting that
he also is doing more kind of

1304
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,360
action than he's done in a
while.

1305
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:19,520
Like he did this movie, which
has some actual action scenes in

1306
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,960
it, real physicality for him.
And he did bullet train, you

1307
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,760
know, not around this time as
well.

1308
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,680
So I think he's still doing
unusual, like varied things,

1309
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,120
which is sort of what he's
always done in his career.

1310
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,760
I, I think Brad Pitt is perfect
in this movie.

1311
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,080
I think that was like my main
take away.

1312
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:44,280
I loved the, the juxtaposition
of DiCaprio and Pit in this

1313
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:48,840
movie that they're both kind of
the same person, but just like

1314
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,880
the yin and the Yang of each
other.

1315
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,040
And I like, I think Tarantino
just wrote two fascinating

1316
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,560
characters.
The the thing I loved about the

1317
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,160
two of them together was that it
wasn't until about halfway

1318
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,520
through the movie that I was
like, oh, they actually just

1319
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,520
genuinely really like each
other.

1320
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:09,360
Like their characters really
like each other.

1321
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:14,160
Like, he does such a great job
of setting them up as, you know,

1322
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:20,160
the movie star and the entourage
of a fading movie star.

1323
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,440
And yet by the end of it, you
realize you're like, oh, these

1324
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:28,120
guys just genuinely really love
each other and they understand

1325
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,400
their roles in relation to each
other and, and I think both of

1326
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,720
them like pull off that dynamic
perfectly.

1327
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,840
You know, the scene that you're
making me think of is when they

1328
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,120
get home and he says to him, do
you want to come in and watch my

1329
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,840
FBI with me?
And he goes, oh, I just figured

1330
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,200
we would.
I got a six pack in the back and

1331
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,240
we're going to order a pizza.
And then they sit there and do,

1332
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,600
like, a director's commentary of
that episode.

1333
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,400
And I love the moment when when
Rick Dalton appears on screen in

1334
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,400
the TV show and you just hear
Cliff Booth say something like,

1335
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:06,000
oh, here comes trouble.
And you just know these guys

1336
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,680
love each other.
I've never seen anything like

1337
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,280
that in the Tarantino movie.
Well, and then like again, you

1338
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,800
get a really sweet moment at the
end where they're putting Brad

1339
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,600
Pitt into the ambulance and like
through the closed door, Leo

1340
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,560
just says like, hey, you're a
really good friend.

1341
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,000
And I was like, aw, I can't
believe that.

1342
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,360
Like there's, there's no snark,
there's no irony to it at all.

1343
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,160
It's a, it's a truly genuine
earnest moment, which I don't

1344
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,560
think Tarantino is a supremely
confident person.

1345
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,480
I think we've established that.
I, I don't know if he would have

1346
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:39,360
had the self-confidence to put a
moment like that in a movie in

1347
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,560
the 90s and, and just let it sit
there without commentary.

1348
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,240
It's it's a really beautiful
moment.

1349
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,880
Do you think that there's a bit
of meta commentary there on Brad

1350
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,560
Pitt's career that he asks for
bagels?

1351
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:55,800
He's like, hey, I haven't been
seen eating food a single moment

1352
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,600
in this movie.
I need you to bring me.

1353
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,400
Food I can't get out of here man
without eating a carb.

1354
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,680
I need it.
Well, you know, DiCaprio

1355
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,600
improvised the whole scene in
the trailer and that's a very

1356
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,440
rare thing that people are
allowed to improvise in

1357
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:14,040
Tarantino movies.
So maybe Pitt improvised the the

1358
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:19,680
bagel line as well.
All right, Noah, any outstanding

1359
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,640
theories on why the movie is the
way it is?

1360
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:27,360
No, but I forgot to mention in
the whole Me Too movement thing

1361
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,560
that like Roman, Polanski plays
a significant role in this film

1362
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,600
as well.
I I was, I didn't get around to

1363
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,920
saying it, but I was like, man,
we're talking about me too.

1364
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,040
And Roman Polanski is a huge
part of this film.

1365
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,240
Totally innocent in this movie
does does nothing wrong.

1366
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,120
No commentary upon anything he's
done.

1367
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:46,560
I mean, if Sharon Tate did
doesn't die.

1368
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,760
Yeah, I mean.
That's true that that's that's

1369
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,200
maybe he prevents the whole, you
know, the history of sexual

1370
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,440
assault and harassment in
Hollywood from happening with

1371
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:56,200
this film.
Yikes.

1372
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,920
It it probably never happens.
Man, guys, I, I, it occurs to me

1373
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,040
that we haven't really talked
about Leo, once again, a fixture

1374
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,080
of this season.
Brad Leonardo DiCaprio.

1375
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:12,680
I don't know if this movie will
ultimately be on his Mount

1376
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,880
Rushmore the way like The Wolf
of Wall Street was.

1377
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,920
That's a bigger, flashier,
showier, more outsized

1378
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,240
performance.
But I will say that between that

1379
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:25,640
movie a few weeks ago and this
movie, he is such an underrated

1380
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,400
comedic actor.
He doesn't necessarily have like

1381
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,040
what I would consider great
comedic timing, but he does that

1382
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,360
thing that really good actors
who are in comedies can do.

1383
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,640
And I've already alluded to it.
It's like he's so perfectly

1384
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:43,160
plays the earnestness of that
character and, and gives that

1385
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,600
kind of dimwitted character so
much heart that everything he

1386
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,720
does is funny as a result of
that.

1387
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,520
And I'm glad that he's not
trying to go broad and he's not

1388
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,320
trying to be the funny guy on
screen.

1389
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,200
It's very much like, you know,
when you watch De Niro in a

1390
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,480
movie like Midnight Run, like De
Niro's funny as hell, but he's

1391
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:02,400
not trying to be a comedian.
He's just being Robert De Niro.

1392
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,040
And I I really appreciate that
about DiCaprio here.

1393
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,320
And he gets the biggest laugh
line in the movie when he says,

1394
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,920
in 15 years, you're going to be
living it, which I still

1395
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:18,320
remember in the theater.
Seen this movie like Pack House.

1396
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,880
It's almost out of character.
It's like a little too clever

1397
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:24,400
for Rick Dalton.
But DiCaprio totally nails it.

1398
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,480
And you're right, he's not he's
not turned it into a punchline.

1399
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:32,600
He's speaking from his own place
of despair and and his deep

1400
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,800
knowledge of the industry and
his cynicism about the world.

1401
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:37,480
And that's what makes it so
funny.

1402
01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:39,480
So I think that that completely
speaks to your point, Bob.

1403
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,760
I I think one of the funniest
moments for the character of

1404
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:49,400
Rick Dalton is when a 8 year old
child like compliments his

1405
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:54,280
performance and he like starts
crying as he reflects on how

1406
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:58,520
great he was.
And then like you, the audience

1407
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,440
think about like I and like to
be clear, it was a great moment

1408
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,720
of acting very good.
Yeah, very, very good.

1409
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,440
But then you the audience go,
yeah, it was a great moment of

1410
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:13,720
acting on some like C level TV
show.

1411
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,840
And it just, oh, it's such a
beautiful moment that made me

1412
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:23,200
laugh so hard.
All right, guys, we've

1413
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,960
established that Brad Pitt is
great and Leonardo DiCaprio is

1414
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,720
great, so we broke new ground
here on this podcast today.

1415
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,880
Can we can we say Mikey Madison
is great in this movie?

1416
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,720
Yes, yeah, let's yeah, let's
talk about the Tarantino to

1417
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,080
Oscar nomination pipeline going
on down the cast list here

1418
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,080
'cause you've got your Austin
Butler's, you've got your Mikey

1419
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,040
Madison's.
Like you said, Maya Hawk is in

1420
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,280
this movie.
There's there's so many young

1421
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,800
stars that were kind of Sydney
Sweeney, thank you very much,

1422
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,920
that we're catapulted to fame
after this film.

1423
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,480
Former young stars Dakota
Fanning.

1424
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:01,320
Yeah, listen, so we're recording
this the Sunday after the

1425
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,280
Oscars.
Mikey Madison has just won the

1426
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,440
Academy Award for Best Actress.
And it's it's interesting

1427
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:10,400
because I was certainly not
opposed to her winning.

1428
01:19:10,440 --> 01:19:12,480
She was not who I thought was
going to win.

1429
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,880
But I will say, if you didn't
want to see Mikey Madison win an

1430
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,360
Oscar, then watching what
happens to her in this movie,

1431
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,800
it's very interesting.
Next step in that process.

1432
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:29,120
My God, Brad, I can't.
I've never seen anything happen

1433
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,200
to the human body so badly in a
Tarantino film.

1434
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:38,080
Does she receive the worst
treatment of any Tarantino

1435
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:42,000
character?
Because I mean to be brutalized

1436
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:47,320
by a Pitbull to be?
Does she get shot or just

1437
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,080
stabbed?
Or does her fat?

1438
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,480
I can't fully remember, it was
such a blur.

1439
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:55,520
I do know that she ends up
getting torched.

1440
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,520
Yep, by a flamethrower.
She sure does.

1441
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,840
It's it's rough, man.
I mean, what happens to all

1442
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,320
three of those individuals?
You could.

1443
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,040
I mean, you could power rank the
deaths if you wanted to.

1444
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,480
They're they're all really
brutal deaths.

1445
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,480
I think it's the most like, to
me, it's the most violent

1446
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:16,880
sequence in any Tarantino movie.
And then because.

1447
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,600
Of how soft the rest of the
movie.

1448
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,920
Has been exactly.
And it's not like, you know,

1449
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,320
shooting Hitler in the chest
1000 times or something like

1450
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,240
that.
This is a gentle movie in so

1451
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:32,440
many ways, and these deaths are
deeply felt like when he is

1452
01:20:32,440 --> 01:20:35,720
slamming the redhead's face
against the mantle.

1453
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,760
I mean, it's it's.
I mean you do the inhale like.

1454
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,000
You.
Know yeah, it's it's rough.

1455
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:44,520
And yet I'm laughing at the same
time.

1456
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:49,120
That's the amazing thing.
Yeah, well, you are a twisted

1457
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:53,320
individual when?
Austin Butler says I am the

1458
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,640
devil and I'm about the devil's
work.

1459
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:01,960
Like and he just.
The most terribly dark humor

1460
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,960
funny line because.
That's, I mean, that's like on

1461
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,480
record as something that was
said and then to have him

1462
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:10,280
undercut it with like, Nah, I
was Dumber than that.

1463
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,200
And he said, and the booth
repeats it later, the cops, he

1464
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,360
said I'm the devil and I'm here
to do some devil shit.

1465
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,760
And.
Then he goes.

1466
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:24,960
I don't think that's verbatim.
All right, guys.

1467
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,480
On that note, I think it's time
for our last segment of the day,

1468
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:29,680
which we call let's make it a
double.

1469
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,160
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

1470
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,080
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's have another film with

1471
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,880
this one, even if it's struggle.
It's a final segment of the day.

1472
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,880
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is

1473
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,360
presented by Blackwood
Distilling Company.

1474
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:47,280
It's the part of the show where
we pick a movie to pair up with

1475
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,520
this one to make the perfect
double feature.

1476
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,080
Now, I already suggested a
plethora of I think we've all

1477
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,120
suggested movies here.
Licorice Pizza.

1478
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,200
Was it the master?
No, it wasn't the master.

1479
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,480
What was it?
Phantom Thread, American Pie.

1480
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,000
There's a there's a ton of stuff
we could pair this up with.

1481
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,080
Noah, you are our honored guest
today.

1482
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,520
I'll give you first pick in.
Let's make it a double.

1483
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:11,640
You know, with the Tarantino
movie, there's like an endless

1484
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,400
array of options because he
wears his influences on his

1485
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,360
sleeve.
Obviously you could pick any one

1486
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:19,400
of the other Once Upon a Time in
movies to pair it with.

1487
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,720
But I'm such a huge fan of
Westerns, particularly neo

1488
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,000
Westerns.
I love movies about, you know,

1489
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:30,160
aging gunslingers, people who
represent a different era.

1490
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,800
And there were quite a few of
them that came out in the the 20

1491
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,160
tens.
And the movie that I would pair

1492
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:40,280
this with is Logan, which is I'm
not a big comic book guy.

1493
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:44,600
I'm not a big superhero guy, but
I love Logan because it is so

1494
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:47,480
true to the conventions of the
Western.

1495
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:49,720
You know, I mean, you can go
back to Shane.

1496
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:51,200
I mean, that's probably where
all this starts.

1497
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,280
You know, a guy who's from a
different time, from a different

1498
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,040
place coming in to defend
civilization.

1499
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:59,920
But that's what Logan Wolverine
is doing in that movie, and

1500
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:01,760
that's what Rick Dalton is doing
in this movie.

1501
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,920
And they're both just phenomenal
movies, so I would love to watch

1502
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,240
them in succession.
You know, no, I hate to disagree

1503
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,920
with you, but Logan does not
have a flamethrower and there's

1504
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:16,920
no hippies to burn.
So I will say it guys.

1505
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,560
I've only seen.
So I watched Logan with a group

1506
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,400
of friends who had all seen it
and they wanted to watch the

1507
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,360
black and white version and so I
watched that.

1508
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,680
I really enjoyed it.
Do you think it's worth going

1509
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,040
back to watch the actual full
color edition?

1510
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,640
I actually haven't seen the
black and white, so I couldn't

1511
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:39,560
tell you, but I will say he he
captures the color of westerns

1512
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:40,640
really well.
Of course, there are a lot of

1513
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,480
great black and white westerns
too, so perhaps.

1514
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,000
He also captures the color of
gratuitous blood and gore quite

1515
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,120
well.
Yeah, you could.

1516
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,160
That's what I was like curious
about because I'm like black and

1517
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:54,120
white does not capture blood and
gore quite the same.

1518
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,720
I think it would feel much more
vivid overall in color.

1519
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,200
I would do it.
I mean, it's a great movie.

1520
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,000
If you have to watch it again,
then it's just OK.

1521
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,520
I don't think you know that's
not a problem.

1522
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,640
All right, Brad, what's your?
Let's make it a double today.

1523
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:12,560
You know, I with all of
Tarantino's references to films

1524
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:18,720
of the past, along with it being
a buddy, just get along with it.

1525
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,120
Have fun movie.
I am going to pair this with the

1526
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:29,320
nice guys because I for the life
of me, I like I grew up with

1527
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:34,760
like six or seven VH s s of
Abbott and Costello.

1528
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:40,120
And when Ryan Gosling is like
pounding his chest, I literally

1529
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:46,000
I I pulled a Leonardo DiCaprio
and I like pointed at the screen

1530
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,280
and was like Lou Costello.
Lou Costello.

1531
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,560
I've seen that before.
And it was like a beautiful

1532
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:56,120
moment and I felt like a film
nerd and I felt proud of myself.

1533
01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:58,600
And I'm going to pair it with
the nice guys.

1534
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,240
Both great LA.
Movies, too.

1535
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:02,920
Yeah, very much so.
You know, it's amazing to me we

1536
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:06,480
haven't talked about Robert
Redford and Paul Newman at all,

1537
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,200
which this this movie was kind
of billed as like this is the

1538
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,880
Newman and Redford movie of our
generation and Brad Pitt.

1539
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,720
I feel like it's such an
interesting combination of both

1540
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,000
Paul Newman and his demeanor and
Robert Redford and his looks

1541
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,560
that like we could have gone
with the sting.

1542
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,680
Brad, that's a great movie.
Butch and Sundance would have

1543
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:25,840
been a great movie to pair this
way.

1544
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,000
What a.
Great film.

1545
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:31,120
I dude, I was so surprised by
the sting, it was incredible.

1546
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,280
Oh, it's so entertaining, man.
I'm actually going to go a

1547
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,920
little bit farther back with my
let's make it a double.

1548
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,600
I'm going to say that, yes, this
is Tarantino's western, but it's

1549
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,320
also Tarantino's riff on another
classic Hollywood movie, a movie

1550
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:47,040
about two guys hanging out in
Hollywood, one of whom is a

1551
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,520
movie star, one of whom hangs
out behind the camera.

1552
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,040
They hang out with a bright,
upcoming young ingenue who's

1553
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,320
trying to become a star at a
time when Hollywood is on the

1554
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:00,560
precipice of a huge change.
That movie, that movie is

1555
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,920
called, That movie is called
Singing in the Rain, Baby.

1556
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:10,080
I knew it.
I mean, this is Tarantino's take

1557
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:14,040
on a Singing in the Rain story.
That's a good cut, man.

1558
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,800
Love it.
If Gene Kelly had murdered

1559
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,520
anyone with a flamethrower at
the end of that film, it

1560
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:23,040
probably would have been even
better.

1561
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,360
That's all I have to say, Brad.
Bob, would you pay to watch that

1562
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,120
movie?
Lena Lamont getting torched at

1563
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,400
the end of that film.
Talk about a character who truly

1564
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:32,600
deserved it.
Brad, come on.

1565
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,160
Gene Kelly does not kill anyone
with a flame flamethrower, but

1566
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,040
Leonardo DiCaprio does dance
briefly in this movie, so I

1567
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,720
think that's.
True the the hullabaloo

1568
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:46,920
sequence, yes, he wins, I think.
All right, so there are our

1569
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:48,840
picks for Let's Make it a
double.

1570
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,640
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1571
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,000
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1575
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,800
Guys, it's time to give this
movie some final scores.

1576
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,760
I'll go first 'cause I'm the low
man here.

1577
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,280
I was at when I first saw this
movie, I was at like a

1578
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,920
legitimate 4 out of 10.
I really truly disliked this

1579
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,520
film.
I texted Brad with about 20

1580
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:20,840
minutes left in the movie and
said I'm I'm up to about a six

1581
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:23,200
on this.
And then the ending was so good

1582
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,840
that I think I'm going to come
up to A7 out of 10 on this

1583
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:29,240
movie.
It is still, I think my least

1584
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,640
favorite Tarantino film, if if
not his worst.

1585
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,800
But it says a lot about
Tarantino that a 7 out of 10 is

1586
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,720
like, this is his worst movie.
So that's where I'm at, Brad.

1587
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,160
Bob, you're dumb.
No, I want to hear what your

1588
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,240
score is.
Well, last time I was on this

1589
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:49,440
show, guys, I believe I gave
Armageddon a nine, so.

1590
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:54,400
And right, Lisa?
So I'm going to also give this a

1591
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,880
nine.
I can't possibly go lower than

1592
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,360
Armageddon and I don't, I don't
think it's a 10.

1593
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:04,960
So I'm going to go that's.
That is the incredibly difficult

1594
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:10,520
thing about having 8 1/2 seasons
now of scores under my belt.

1595
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:14,440
It's like the inevitably there's
going to be a movie that I gave

1596
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:17,720
like a nine and a half and Bob's
going to be like, you gave this

1597
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:21,520
a nine and a half and then I'm
like, yes, Bob, I I don't I

1598
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,360
don't keep it all in my head all
at once.

1599
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,960
Well, it.
Speaks to, you know, as a film

1600
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,480
critic, you look at a movie and
you say how well did this do for

1601
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:30,960
what it is trying to be, you
know, and I maintain that

1602
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,720
Armageddon got really, really
close to what it was trying to

1603
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:35,520
do.
And I I think this movie did

1604
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:37,040
too.
I certainly prefer this movie

1605
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,160
over Armageddon, but for what
they are, I think they are

1606
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,280
equally good.
Yeah, what you're saying is not

1607
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,680
all nines are created equal.
There you go.

1608
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,440
That is much more succinct than
the way I put it, a. 100% man.

1609
01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:53,360
No, I'm with you.
This is a nine out of 10.

1610
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:58,800
I loved this movie.
I like I had so much fun with

1611
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,160
it.
It connected with me.

1612
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,160
I I thought it said a lot of
interesting things, but more

1613
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:10,720
than that, it had great
characters and I like I will

1614
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:14,040
come back to this movie.
I do think that this movie is

1615
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:17,760
going to be divisive, like
there's no way to walk away from

1616
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,280
this movie and not feel
passionate about it.

1617
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,480
And so like to go back to what
Bob said at the start of the

1618
01:29:23,480 --> 01:29:29,120
episode, I had no doubt as to
why you picked this movie, Noah.

1619
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,520
It's because this is a movie
that draws passion out of

1620
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:37,160
people.
It doesn't leave you standing in

1621
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,360
the middle ground.
And I, and I think that could be

1622
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,680
said about all Tarantino films,
but this one, because it feels

1623
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:48,640
so personal to him, feels like
it has a little bit extra bite

1624
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,800
and edge to it in a really
beautiful way.

1625
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,640
All right, So it's a nine from
Noah and from Brad it's a 7 from

1626
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,520
me.
So for me and Brad, that brings

1627
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:05,000
us out to an average of an 8.0
out of 10 guys, Any final

1628
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,680
thoughts on this?
And I guess crucially, the

1629
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:10,320
question for us to answer is, is
this a modern masterpiece?

1630
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,640
That honestly, that's a tough
one for me.

1631
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:21,360
I because, and it's tough
because it's reflecting on so

1632
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:26,080
much history of Hollywood.
I like, I'm going to come out

1633
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:29,280
and say this.
I, I think apart from me, this

1634
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,520
is considered 1 of Tarantino's
best films.

1635
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:34,600
So I acknowledge that it
probably will be considered a

1636
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:38,960
masterpiece.
I think that I, I mean, I think

1637
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,520
Inglorious Basterds is better
than this.

1638
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,080
I think Django is better than
this.

1639
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:46,200
I I would put this on par with
at least the Kill Bill movies.

1640
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,680
So I know we're not capping
directors entries into our

1641
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:54,000
fictional like pantheon here,
Brad, but for me it's a no.

1642
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,080
But it's just because we have so
many other really good Tarantino

1643
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,880
films.
For me, it's a yes and I put it

1644
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:04,760
in the top tier of Tarantino,
which probably has for me has

1645
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:09,040
four films in it, this Jackie
Brown, Pulp Fiction and

1646
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:12,160
Bastards.
But I think it will be very

1647
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,760
interesting to see how this film
ages because he's got one more

1648
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,400
in them, right?
He says he's making 10 movies.

1649
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:20,960
This was his ninth.
He almost started production on

1650
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,720
a new one last year and then
pulled it at the last minute.

1651
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,120
I'm kind of not surprised after
he got so open and vulnerable

1652
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,360
and tender with this movie.
It's kind of like, where do you

1653
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,920
where does he go from here?
And and with the pressure of it

1654
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,280
being his last one, I can see
why it would it would cause him

1655
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:40,120
some, you know, hesitancy.
But if his next movie is like

1656
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:44,200
Stone cold Tarantino
masterpiece, I can see this

1657
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,760
movie sort of getting forgotten
or considered a minor, a minor

1658
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,120
Tarantino.
And that wouldn't necessarily be

1659
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,080
a bad thing.
Some of my favorite films are

1660
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,840
minor films from acclaimed
directors.

1661
01:31:55,120 --> 01:32:00,240
But it might make us withhold
the modern masterpiece

1662
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:05,600
designation.
I think I'm going to say no.

1663
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:12,080
Like this is the hardest answer
to that question that I've had

1664
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,720
this season.
Because I think that quality

1665
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:20,240
wise, it's up there.
It's just on the edge.

1666
01:32:20,440 --> 01:32:25,200
Like if this is a 9 1/2 or 10
out of 10 for me, yes, then it's

1667
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:27,800
a modern masterpiece.
I think there's just enough of

1668
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:33,360
this film that feels casual for
me to keep it out of the

1669
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:37,960
pantheon of modern masterpiece,
but man is it close.

1670
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:40,760
I don't know, I might change my
mind after we stop recording.

1671
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,360
We could always just meet in the
middle and put licorice pizza in

1672
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,400
the pantheon.
Then you get the rest of both

1673
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:48,240
worlds.
We have not reviewed that movie,

1674
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:49,720
Bob.
Oh, fine.

1675
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,480
All right.
Well, Noah, I can't thank you

1676
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:53,840
enough for being here tonight.
Man, we.

1677
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,080
It's always a freaking pleasure
when we have you on the show.

1678
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,280
Where can we find you?
What are you up to these days?

1679
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,560
Well, you know, I'm not doing
that much film criticism

1680
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,960
anymore, but I'm still
apparently giving terrible takes

1681
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:09,120
on Twitter, so you can find me
there and on Blue Sky at Noah

1682
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:13,120
Gitell GITTELL.
And I don't know when this

1683
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,960
episode's coming out, but I will
be appearing at the Music Box

1684
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,880
Theatre on the 23rd of March.
Will it be?

1685
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,960
Yeah, will be up by then,
introing a screening of Eight

1686
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,520
Men Out and selling copies of my
book Baseball The Movie.

1687
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,440
That's awesome, man.
Cannot recommend the book highly

1688
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:32,160
enough.
Cannot recommend the guy highly

1689
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:33,840
enough.
Folks, this has been Noah

1690
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,280
Gettel.
Thanks so much for joining us

1691
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:36,800
today.
Thank you guys.

1692
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,280
It was great as always if you.
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1702
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friend Daniels YO to talk about
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So join us for a healthy dose of

1705
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Ben Affleck next week when we
talk about that movie.

1706
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:29,520
Is Ben Affleck just like cheap
Brad Pitt?

1707
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:33,240
It's it's a question that that
echoes down throughout the

1708
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,240
annals of time.
We will discuss it next week,

1709
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:37,760
Brad.
But until then, I am Bob.

1710
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:41,280
Book I am Brad.
G and we'll see you next time.