On the Waterfront / Gentleman Jack Tennessee Whiskey

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In 1954, director Elia Kazan and
star Marlon Brando gave the

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world a poignant drama regarding
the dangers of being a stoolie.

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In 2024 we try a whiskey that's
meant for some higher ups.

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The film is on the waterfront.
The whiskey is Gentleman Jack.

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More of you than both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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It could have been a contender.
That was perfect.

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I'm so proud of you.
You've been working on that for

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weeks, haven't you?
I did it on the spot without.

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Watch Really.
No.

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And this week we are looking at
the 1954 film On the Waterfront.

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Brad, each week I start our
episodes by saying that we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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And that's always true in the
general sense.

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Certainly true about the
whiskey.

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I say it's definitely whiskey
we're drinking.

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But you know, sometimes we kind
of stretch the definition of a

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classic.
And, you know, we've done whole

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seasons where we've just looked
at modern films and it's really

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nice revisiting these Season 1
films, especially when you land

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on a movie like On the
Waterfront, which is as highly

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regarded as an American movie
can possibly be.

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This is in the conversation for
one of the 10 most lauded

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American films ever made.
It is the one that you hear

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actors, you know, jizz all over
themselves about when they talk

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about Marlon Brando.
Like it's just, I mean, let's

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be.
Honest here dude.

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Raunchy here, my friend.
If you hear any actor from 1954

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to now talk about Marlon Brando,
this performance is going to

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come up and it's going to be,
oh, this was the thing that got

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me into acting.
It's all about on the

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waterfront.
And so this movie carries a lot

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of cachet with it, is all I'm
trying to say.

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Yeah, no, I this is number 19 on
the AFI top 100.

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And would you say that it would
be higher on the list if not for

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the Kazan reputation being
attached to it?

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Good question.
Yeah, it's funny because I think

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when the very first AFI list
came out in 1998, it was number

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8.
And so when they revisited it 10

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years later, it had dropped to
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Now I think part of that is just
we're getting farther away from

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this movie coming on the scene
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It's now 70 years old, and I
think that as as people get

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older, like the idea of the
method, acting, the Actor's

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Studio influence, it's been a
little bit inflated.

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And it certainly was among the
boomer generation and now

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younger generations just don't
gravitate toward that as much.

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But I also think you've hit the
nail on the head pretty early,

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man, because I don't know if it
was just when we were all in

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lockdown in the pandemic, but
people on Twitter started doing

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film history and found out some
things about Elia Kazan and

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spoiler alert, they do not like
him.

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No, you wouldn't say that.
People on the left side of the

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political spectrum hate people
who snitch on them.

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I mean, I feel like people on
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spectrum hate being snitched on.
I think political affiliation

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has to do with, hey, man, don't
rat me out.

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Maybe we should get this out of
the way on the on the front,

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though, Brad, Like, I, I wanted
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at some point today, but we've
only done a couple Elia Kazan

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movies on the podcast, and I
think we still haven't done one

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of his most famous ones, A
Streetcar Named Desire.

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So Kazan is a very famous
director at this point.

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He's already won an Academy
Award for Best picture with

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gentleman's Agreement in the
late 1940s.

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He makes Streetcar in 1951.
This was Brando's big arrival

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onto the scene.
It was the the explosiveness of

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this new style of acting that he
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And this is like their big
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Now, Brando had obviously made
movies in between, but On the

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Waterfront was their return to
form in 1954.

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And so Kazan has his place in
movie history kind of cemented

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already at this point.
And this is a hard movie to

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grapple with because two years
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Kazan was called before the
House on American Activities

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Committee.
He whack to name names, to say

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who, who are them commies out
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And your boy Elia Kazan did did
not keep his mouth shut.

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He named a whole bunch of names.
To be specific, Bob, he named 8

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names and According to him they
were all names that were already

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known by the Hue Act.
Yes, as communist.

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Correct.
Yeah, that that is important

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context because I think
depending on how you want to

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look at the situation, cuz then
willingly talked about this

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years later.
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at one point where they were
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sorry to bring up sensitive
history.

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And he was like, it's not
sensitive history.

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I'd do it again.
My guy was proud of doing this.

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And so it gets a really hot
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You know, if you watch, I mean,
I, I say still the guy's not

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alive anymore, but you watch him
collect his honorary Oscar for

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like a lifetime achievement
later in life.

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There's a great video on YouTube
of him coming out on the stage

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to collect this Oscar.
And actors you and I know are in

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the audience and some of them
stand up and clap for him.

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And some of them are sitting
down on their hands and looking

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very, very angry at the man.
So it's he has a very divisive

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legacy now.
How does that reflect on the

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film?
I think that's something we can

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get into.
But Brad, coming into this

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revisit of On the Waterfront, I
honestly can't remember if we

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talked about this in our first
episode or not.

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Were you aware of everything
that surrounded Kazan?

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I think we talked about it a
little bit during last episode.

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This time through, I did a bit
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I watched the video of him
receiving his lifetime

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achievement award where half the
audience is seated and not

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clapping.
Even, you know, the likes of

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Steven Spielberg.
I believe he's clapping but

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would not stand up.
Like, like you have all of these

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mixed responses from the crowd.
And that led me down a rabbit

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hole where I read a lot about
the Hue Act and Hollywood.

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And it seems like the general
consensus is that nobody blames

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McCarthy for being McCarthy in
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Like, obviously they all hate
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But it's almost like if Donald
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liberals don't like, like, like
they already hate him so much

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that it's like, yeah, Trump is
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But it would be as if, I don't
know a current, like, I don't

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know, like Nancy Pelosi came out
and like, suddenly became a

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Trumpian.
Like there's almost a deeper

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hate for her for turning on them
right than for Trump.

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Well, I mean is.
That is that a fair I was.

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Going to say, let's draw even
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It would be like Steven
Spielberg becoming a tremor, you

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know what I mean?
Sure.

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Yeah, yes.
So how does this tie to the

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movie?
I guess if you haven't seen this

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movie, you're very confused and
you're wondering why we're

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talking about some director in
Hollywood history.

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Now, the plot of the movie,
Brad, will break down in just a

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minute.
But in broad strokes, it is

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about a guy who rats a bunch of
people out and is presented as

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the hero for doing it.
And if you just watch this movie

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on face value, Brad, this is an
incredible movie that we have to

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eat some pie, some humble pie
about our thoughts ten seasons

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ago.
But it's weird because you can

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talk about the movie and we will
on its own.

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You can also look at the movie
from the lens of like Elia Kazan

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was absolutely embarrassed in
Hollywood because of what he did

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and then doubled down and made a
movie about a guy ratting people

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out and portrayed himself as the
hero in that movie.

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Which is either like either or
both the most dickish and or the

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most ballsy thing anyone's ever
done.

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I mean, honestly, I I think it's
kind of awesome.

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Like whether whether or not he
did the right thing, the dude

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stood by his actions.
Oh, he had.

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Convictions for sure.
Yeah, like he believed in what

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he did.
It seems like in that those

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years and beyond, he very much
so did not like the Communist

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Party in America.
And so he just was like, hey,

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hey, by the way, I'm glad I did
it.

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You and him and John Wayne would
have all gotten along real well

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back in the day.
Brett, I'm sure we would have,

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man.
All right, let's start talking

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about the movie in earnest.
And in order to do that, we need

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to get to our first segment of
the day, which we call, Brad

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explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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This is at least Brad's second
time seeing On the Waterfront.

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Did you have any exposure to the
movie Brad in the intervening

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years?
From 2019 to now, no.

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OK, not at all.
So you came into this

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essentially cold off of a, you
know, 5.

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Year.
Gap Yeah, I really like that

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because as I've said, I have
many thoughts.

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But like my chief thought is,
man, we were really off in our

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initial assessment of this
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And I'm, I'm very excited to
give this movie The flowers that

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we did not give it the first
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But that also means this is your
first time explaining the movie

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because you didn't do it in
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So, Brad, you get 60 seconds to
break down the plot of the film.

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Folks, if you have not seen On
the Waterfront, I highly

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recommend you hit pause here.
Go back and watch it and then

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return to this episode and join
us, Brad.

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And I will say, Bob, an hour and
45 minutes.

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Yeah, it's a tight.
It's a tight movie.

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Not quite a 90 minute film, but
close enough that you can hit

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pause here and not miss too
much.

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Yeah, and never boring, I will
say.

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Like just just short enough to
never be boring.

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Brad 60 seconds and go.
On the Waterfront is a film

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about a young man named Terry
Malloy, played by the famous

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Marlon Brando, who is in a
difficult position Bob.

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He is used as a setup man in the
death of a young man on the

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Waterfront, and the rest of the
film follows him as he tries to

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follow his conscience and figure
out what he ought to do in the

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face of brutal a brutal,
murderous man.

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I My brain is just not working
well today, Bob.

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You want to tag me in here?
Yeah, tag in Bob, finish it off

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on the.
Waterfront is a film about

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Marlon Brando.
Marlon Brando plays a washed up

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X boxer named Terry Malloy.
Terry and his brother both work

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for the local mob boss who is
essentially a a a union local

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leader.
This union is corrupt through

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and through.
It's the longshoreman who unload

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all of the ships that come into
the dock and they rule with an

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iron fist.
The movie starts with a young

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man getting thrown to his death,
and like Brad said, Terry was

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the setup guy for this whole
thing.

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Terry gets a tinge of conscience
after his actions, starts

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wondering if this is all worth
it, and sees the route that he

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might go down if he keeps
following this boss, Johnny

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Friendly.
There is a priest in the

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neighborhood who decides that
it's time to roll up his sleeves

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and do what Jesus would have
done and stand up for what's

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right.
At the same time, Terry meets

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the sister of the young man who
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They start to fall in love, and
he is wracked with guilt about

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what to do with the rest of his
life.

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He gets a subpoena from the
cops, and he has to decide if

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he's going to rat everybody out
or if he's going to be D&D deaf

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and dumb like everybody else on
the waterfront.

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Boom, Bob explains.
Nailed it.

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That felt good.
I've never done that before.

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Isn't it nice when you just nail
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It sure is, Brad.
All right, Brad, let's start

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talking about this movie.
Where do you want to start?

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I mean, we could, I, I think
when we reviewed it the first

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time, we complained a lot about
the script.

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We said that it was kind of
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It didn't hold up very well.
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that anymore, but I think we'll
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gripes and revising them in the
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So where should we begin?
Man, I, I think that the place

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to begin is what everybody sees
most directly.

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I I think we should talk about
the performances here, Bob,

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because they are incredible.
Yeah, man, top to bottom.

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And I, I think one of the things
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in the intervening years, from
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now, you went on your own little
self quest of discovery with

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movies.
And I remember you, you called

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me up one day and said, guess
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I just watched.
And I was like, I don't know,

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you know, freaking Marvel
something or other.

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And you were like, no, dude, I
watched The Bicycle Thieves, the

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Italian neorealist masterpiece
from the 1940s.

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And I was like, holy crap, The
Bicycle Thieves.

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I never would have begged you
for that dude.

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What a movie and if you know
anything about Italian

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neorealism, and I'm sure
everyone listening does, it was

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a movement that came out of the
post war years in Italy when

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everything was rebuilding.
It was a much grittier style of

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filmmaking and it was marked by
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professional actors and it
really gave the movie a sense of

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realism.
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over into what Kazan is doing
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He's using these actors from the
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are all method and really trying
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style.
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shot is really gritty and feels
like a documentary sometimes.

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And you've got like your five
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movie, but then almost everybody
else beneath them, You can't

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quite tell if they're just like
a bit player actor or if they're

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just a guy that they grabbed off
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And I think that all of that
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shot, the way it's acted, it
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I want to say realism.
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foreignness.
It feels so different to

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everything else that's coming
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Like, this is the same year that
Rear Window comes out, Brad.

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And the styles of acting in
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these movies are shot could not
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I don't know, Bob.
I think it's basically the same

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movie.
This this was actually directed

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by Alfred Hitchcock, if you
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Oh, man, if this movie was
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man, that I'm really glad you
brought up Rear Window because

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this has such an incredible
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that specifically.
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proclaimed from the rooftops we
love Rear Window.

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Great, perfect name.
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But this is so much different.
And I, I, I think there are

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areas where this script
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overall the acting performances
feel so much different.

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I I'm thinking specifically of
like Jimmy Stewart fumbling with

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his camera and like trying to
like bulb flash the guy into

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submission and, and not
necessarily Jimmy Stewart, but

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his attacker and like the way he
like puts his hands up and like

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it just feels very artificial.
And there is not a moment of

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acting in this movie that feels
artificial.

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I mean, you have Brando and his
brother who who plays his

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brother Bob.
Oh, that's the actor Rod

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Steiger.
Yeah, Rod Steiger.

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Jeez Louise.
The scene with the two of them

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in the back of the taxi cab is.
It's the most famous scene in

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the movie.
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Would say it's as highly
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because they are freaking
destroying it in that scene.

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I think this movie really
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It has great crowd scenes and
it's good when when there's

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three or four people pinging off
of each other.

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But this movie really thrives in
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whether it's that first kind of
sheepish meeting between Brando

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and Eve Marie St. where he's
playing with her glove.

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That's a very famous moment in
acting circles or you know, the

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the interactions that Karl
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St. with Brando, that moment
with Rod Steiger in the back of

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the car.
Like there's just so many great

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one-on-one scenes in this movie.
And I think it goes to show

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again, like their theatrical
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All these actors had a
theatrical background, but their

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ability to read each other's
expressions to let moments play

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out.
You know, I'm thinking

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especially of the end of the
film, which we'll get around to

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talking about the ending itself.
But Brando has been beat to a

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pulp.
And they convince him to stand

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up.
And they don't even know if

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he'll be able to, like, keep his
feet underneath him.

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And as you watch this movie, I
finally got this.

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I like it.
It finally dawned on me 30

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seconds before the movie's over
that Brando isn't really even

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acting at this point.
Like he's he's behaving in a

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rhythm that is not made for
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They stand him up and he takes
like 10 seconds to study

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himself.
And then somebody asks, you

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know, are you OK?
And he says, am I standing?

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And they say you're standing?
And he takes another 10 seconds

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to study himself.
And he goes, OK, OK.

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And it is the most believable
looking thing because he is his

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internal clock that he's
counting the seconds of OK, this

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is how long till I'm not woozy
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It mimics real life.
It doesn't mimic movie acting.

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And I think that that's like one
of the most startling things

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about this movie is how fresh
and vibrant, but how true to

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life.
Every moment feels still.

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And the camera work in that
scene is so good, like as he's

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slowly stumbling towards the the
dock area of the the warehouse

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area that they're working in,
like the camera goes from

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showing him stumbling to like
his first person view.

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And they do such an incredible
job of matching.

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Like you see his head kind of
roll back a little bit and then

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it's a first person of the
camera, like slowly getting

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blurry as it looks up towards
the sky and then it snaps back

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down and then it flips back to
showing him his head falls

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forward and he looks.
It's incredible camera work,

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Bob.
Yeah, yeah.

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And this movie is such a great
blend of, like I said, you know,

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it's called like cinema verite.
It's this idea of, like, filming

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the truth.
And it looks like gritty and

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realistic.
And there's also moments,

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there's this great moment in
this movie where a guy who has

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decided to kind of rat, they set
him up to get killed by dropping

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like a whole pallet of cargo
onto him when he's like, you

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know.
Not just cargo, Bob.

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Whiskey.
Irish whiskey, yes, he gets

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crushed to death by whiskey.
That seems like it's something

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that is looming over us both,
Brad.

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I feel like that should be the
the film and whiskey drinking

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game.
Any any time we're watching a

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movie and they reference whiskey
like that, that's when we start

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drinking.
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So they're showing like an on
location version in some shots

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like Karl Malden rides the lift
back up afterwards.

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You can tell it's like this is a
real place.

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This is not recreated in the
studio somewhere.

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But then they have a few shots
like inside of that ship where

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Ava Marie St. is there for some
reason with the priest.

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They just let her wander into
this crime scene and she's

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looking at Brando and Brando's
in the foreground and she's in

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the background and there's like.
You know, pallets and pallets of

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whiskey behind them in the
background and it's lit like the

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most perfect Hollywood thing
ever.

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And so you can tell that's like
on a set somewhere.

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But they do such a good job of
marrying traditional Hollywood

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style filming with like shaky
Cam documentary style.

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There's moments of like film
noir when he's walking down that

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alleyway when the truck is
chasing them.

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The lighting is this really
harsh, like not realistic

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lighting at all, but it's like
Moody.

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And I think that all these
things taken together, it's,

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it's a very realistic movie, but
it also does all the things you

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love best about what Hollywood
can do in a movie. 100% I think

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the biggest thing that shifted
for me this time around was the

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pacing of the movie.
I I feel like before it came

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across as really slow and it
allowed the script errors to

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shine through and for whatever
reason this time the this movie

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just felt like it moved at such
a nice pace and the slow moments

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of the movie allowed you to live
and breathe with the characters.

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There's a lot of stories about
Brando, especially as he got

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older.
I mean, he took advantage of his

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stature in a lot of ways.
Like he would never memorize his

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lines.
And so by the time he got to the

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Godfather, you know, if there
was somebody in the scene with

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him that was facing away from
the camera, they would like tape

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cue cards to that person's chest
so he could just read his lines

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off the person's chest.
And he would, you know, he was

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known for kind of like, taking a
very indulgent look at the

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ceiling in the middle of the
scene because there'd be cue

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cards taped up at the ceiling.
And he would always play it off.

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But it was a very, like, it's an
indulgent style of acting.

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You know you have to make these
grand gestures.

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To I don't know, man.
I mean, wasn't Marilyn Monroe

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doing that in?
In something like a hot The

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Line, Where's that bourbon?
Yes.

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So it's a tough line.
It really is, man.

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So Brando's known for doing
stuff like that.

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And I, I think that what really
struck me this time around is

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that the movie is paced so well
that it gives all the actors

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enough room to breathe with
their performances that nothing

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ever really feels rushed.
But it never feels indulgent

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either.
And I think that that's like

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sometimes with method acting,
that's the thing that can really

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strike me as like it, it Dings
it a little bit.

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Honestly.
We talked about this with There

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Will Be Blood.
As good as that performance by

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DDL is like there are moments
where it feels like the scene is

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going on a little too long
because we're just letting we're

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letting the guy cook.
You know, I don't feel that way

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with Brando in this movie.
I don't feel that way with

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anybody in this movie.
And I think that it's a really

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like, it's a huge credit to
Kazan and the editors that it

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doesn't feel shaggy and it
doesn't feel like they're just

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indulging this kind of prima
Donna actor at the lead.

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I think it's also because you
have Karl Malden opposite of

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Brando, and he has such a calm,
forceful, moving personality

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like that.
He's never allowing the movie to

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slow down.
And I don't say that in the

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sense that he's frenetic in any
way.

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He just has this really
magnetic, driving personality

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that keeps the story moving
forward in a really powerful

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way.
Molden was also with Brando and

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Kazan in Streetcar Named Desire,
and he might have won the Oscar

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for Best supporting actor for
that movie, but you know, he's

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used to working with Brando at
this point.

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And that kind of dance you have
to do with him when you're in a

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scene with him.
And his character in this movie

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could not be any more different
from his character in Streetcar.

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And because in that movie he was
really kind of like, I don't

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know what's the term, a cock.
He's just a a real beta in that

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movie.
Man Bob, the sexual references

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are coming fast this this
episode.

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Well, you know, we mentioned
Hitchcock, so I feel like I have

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to represent that old pervert
spirit of Hitchcock.

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Just got to force it in there.
And I think when you get to this

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movie, they have that
familiarity with each other.

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But if we can talk about Malden
for a minute, I think his role

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and his performance among the
main actors is probably the most

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classically Hollywood style of
acting.

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Like it feels like he could have
been playing opposite Bogart

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instead of Brando and it would
have been the same performance.

450
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,400
It doesn't feel as methody quote
UN quote, but I feel like the

451
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,040
movie needs that too because he
also represents such a different

452
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,000
way of living from what Terry is
currently experiencing.

453
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,440
And he has his literal getting
up on a soapbox speech moments

454
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,880
in this movie.
But they all work so well

455
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:04,240
because Carl Malden has this
very trustworthy puppy dog kind

456
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,840
of persona that you buy that he
is a man of conviction.

457
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,600
He's a man of principle.
And he really reminds me of like

458
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,520
his generations, John C Reilly
kind of, you know what I mean?

459
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,320
Like I can see that so much if
they remade this movie today but

460
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,560
Malden absolutely knocks it out
of the park dude and I think it

461
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,320
was one of the keys for me to re
appreciating this movie.

462
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,520
Yeah, the the scene of him
giving his speech is just

463
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,840
incredible.
Like, the First off, the bravery

464
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:44,360
to just, like, invoke the name
of Jesus in a movie feels rare.

465
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,120
Like, I don't know, we just
don't see that anymore.

466
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,240
Bob, you've often talked about
the reality that Hollywood never

467
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,440
takes religious thoughts
seriously anymore.

468
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,480
And so it almost feels
refreshing to see a movie where

469
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:04,440
the priest is treated like a
hero of the film, like somebody

470
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,320
who's actually has the best
interests of these longshoremen

471
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,040
at heart, that this is his
parish, these are the people he

472
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,440
needs to care for, and he's
going to do it in such a way

473
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,680
that might not be fitting for a
priest who is living out in the

474
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,400
countryside.
Yeah, yeah, we had a

475
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,640
conversation about like the Tom
Joe to speech at the end of

476
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,160
Grapes of Wrath.
And I feel like in a lesser

477
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,640
movie, this, this that the
speech in this movie is just

478
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:37,200
that it's a very like Hollywood
liberals idea of what a priest

479
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,320
should be.
And I feel like at its worst, it

480
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,720
almost tips into that.
But they do such a good job of,

481
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,680
I don't want to say pulling
back, but making him walk the

482
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,680
walk, right?
It's not just about ideals.

483
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,840
It's not just about like this is
what I think a priest should be.

484
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,240
And so I'm going to write this
ideal character that way.

485
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,120
You know, they let him smoke and
they let him drink a beer and

486
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:03,320
he's a flawed person.
But beyond that man, when he he

487
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,320
has that speech after Dugan gets
killed where he's standing next

488
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,040
to Dugan's body talking about
like, I told him I would go with

489
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,400
him to the end of the line here.
So I'm going to take my stand

490
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,280
now.
And he has that speech about

491
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,920
Christ is with you on the
waterfront.

492
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,960
And it's the first time in the
movie that the words on the

493
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,160
waterfront are actually uttered
in order like that.

494
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,040
And I like to think it's where
the title of the movie comes

495
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,480
from.
I know they say it a couple more

496
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,400
times as the movie progresses,
but when he says Christ is with

497
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,280
you on the waterfront, Christ is
here kneeling beside Duguid.

498
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Like I got emotional, man.
It was it was like this true.

499
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,040
Not just a wish fulfillment of
what the church could be, but

500
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:49,560
but like a depiction of doing
the nitty gritty dirty work that

501
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:54,520
it requires to actually bring
hope and also change to a

502
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,360
community of people that you are
serving.

503
00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,280
It's like it's just such a
beautiful picture of what the

504
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,320
church can and should be.
And that's just like, that's

505
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,560
completely beside how good the
performance itself is.

506
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,840
Yeah, I mean, there's a scholar
named Eugene Peterson who wrote

507
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,760
a translation of the Bible.
Well, an interpretation of.

508
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,240
The Bible, yeah, don't call it
call translation.

509
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,120
You'll get the Bible Bros coming
after.

510
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,800
You I know all the Bible Bros
that listen to our our podcast

511
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,920
Derek Derek human's going to
come after me.

512
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,720
I know he wrote this thing
called the message and it is a

513
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:37,840
interpretation of the Bible.
And in John 1, he takes a very

514
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:42,120
famous passage about how Jesus
is the word and it came to live

515
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,720
with us.
And he talks about it, that it's

516
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,320
Jesus with clothes on who came
into the neighborhood to live

517
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,600
next to us.
And I, I feel like this movie

518
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,960
captures that idea of a Jesus
who just lives in the

519
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,360
neighborhood, who's one of us.
That speech captures it better

520
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,160
than almost any other Hollywood
film I've ever seen.

521
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,960
All right, Brad, I want to talk
a little bit about the other

522
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,600
main performers in this movie.
And I don't want to get too much

523
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,120
farther without bringing up Ava
Marie St. who at the time of

524
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,480
recording is still alive.
She is 100 years old.

525
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,560
So keep keep going, sis.
I want this to let's go to still

526
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,440
be true when this episode
actually comes out.

527
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,800
But I love Ava Marie St.
We've only ever talked about her

528
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,400
outside of this film in her
performance in North by

529
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Northwest Hitchcock again.
And once again, those two

530
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,200
performances could not be any
more different from each other.

531
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,360
In that movie, she plays this
really sultry, sexy spy.

532
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,400
In this movie, she's playing, I
don't know what you would call

533
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,840
her, a vulnerable, grieving,
bereaved sister who is also,

534
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:55,680
like, filled with rage and
confused about why the system

535
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,080
works the way it does.
I just think that the way she

536
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,320
and Brando play off each other,
they bring out these moments of

537
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,760
almost like childlike innocence
in each other and and purity in

538
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,680
each other.
And you start to see those

539
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,080
cracks in Terry's facade because
of what Ava Marie Saints

540
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,280
character is doing.
But more than that, it's the way

541
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,760
these two actors are like,
there's this sense of like

542
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,960
almost naked vulnerability
between them.

543
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,360
And if we're a movie that's 70
years old, it feels so intimate

544
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,000
to watch these two in a scene
together.

545
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,680
I don't know man.
I think.

546
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,680
I think the weakest part of this
film for me is still the romance

547
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,600
between Terry and Edie.
Like I, I just.

548
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Weakest in terms of how it's
played or in terms of like how

549
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,440
it's written?
Because I I still have some

550
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,880
issues with how rushed the
timeline of this movie is.

551
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,400
Sure.
You know what I mean?

552
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,040
Like from the time her brother
dies, the time she's like making

553
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,880
out with this boxer, like 3
days, yes.

554
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:02,400
That is 100% a part of it.
I I mean, there are moments

555
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680
where it is portrayed
extraordinarily well.

556
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,680
I think my favorite moment of
their relationship is when

557
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,040
they're having the confession
where Terry is confessing to

558
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Edie that he was the one who set
up her brother, even though he

559
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,800
didn't realize he was doing it.
And they they play it with the

560
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,240
the scream of a ship whistle
blowing in the background.

561
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,000
And it it's just incredible
filmmaking.

562
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,240
Like we can't choose what's
going on in our environments

563
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,760
when we're fighting.
Well, in the way they're

564
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,680
underscoring that emotional
turbulence with this, like,

565
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,560
horrific sound.
I do think it's funny that

566
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,200
you're like, my favorite moment
is the moment where you can't

567
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,640
hear either one of them talking.
Yep, and and there's just so

568
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,720
many moments where I I think
that both Brando and Eve Marie

569
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,040
St. are are doing great jobs.
I just don't know if they click

570
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,600
together.
Oh, interesting.

571
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,440
I will say this time, the thing
that really overwhelmed me about

572
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,200
this movie and I got emotional
at a few points of this movie,

573
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,920
is this like pervading sense of
sadness in this movie.

574
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,040
Like it is an incredibly sad
film.

575
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,360
It's just, I don't call it
depressing movie, but like they

576
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,920
do such a good job of placing
you in the hopelessness and

577
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,960
almost like inevitability of
these people's lives.

578
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,680
And I've always had an issue
with, like, OK, the first

579
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,600
moments of the movie is night
one Joey there that, you know,

580
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,360
the brother dies.
And then like, morning #2

581
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,840
they're all on the waterfront,
like on the docks again.

582
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,200
And as if nothing happened.
And like, the guy's dad is there

583
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,480
and he's like, well, my son
shouldn't have got himself mixed

584
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,840
up.
But I'm like, dude, what?

585
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,800
How are you so callous about
this?

586
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,960
And it's, it's always struck me
as like a weakness of the movie.

587
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,680
I still don't think it's
perfect.

588
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,840
But watching their reaction to
their friend Dugan get killed

589
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,560
this time.
And when that comes almost at

590
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,240
the midpoint of the movie and
they react almost exactly the

591
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,760
same.
And they're like watching his

592
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,440
dead body laying there under
these crates of whiskey.

593
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,520
And he's like, you know, you
don't, he doesn't need a a

594
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,520
doctor.
He needs a priest or whatever.

595
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,360
And it's just like the
callousness with which these

596
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280
people have learned to have to
deal with this in their lives.

597
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,760
There's this moment where
they're they're trying to bait

598
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280
Terry out onto the street
because they they've killed his

599
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,520
brother.
And they're like, we've got your

600
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,120
brother down here.
And he goes off and Eva Marie

601
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Street is chasing him like down
the fire escape.

602
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,240
And her neighbor says that's
exactly the way they called my

603
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Andy before they killed him.
Andy's not even the person we've

604
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,320
ever heard of in this movie to
this point.

605
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,760
And it just like, again, it it
it underlines and underscores

606
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,880
this cycle of violence and just
like oppression that these

607
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,960
people have made a part of their
lives.

608
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,520
And I think watching the
intimate moments of Eva Marie

609
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520
St. and Marlon Brando, you
don't.

610
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,840
I didn't really get the sense so
much this time that they're like

611
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880
falling head over heels in like
a Romeo and Juliet way.

612
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,480
It's not like West Side Story
where the world's falling down

613
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,040
around them, but they're in
love.

614
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,040
It just seems like two people
who feel like they've lost hope

615
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,520
and they're just like finding
each other in this moment of

616
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,560
emotional turbulence.
I don't know, I thought it was

617
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,040
much more beautiful this time
because it didn't strike me as

618
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,400
like a standard romance.
It struck me as like 2 grieving

619
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,800
people kind of using each other
in that moment of grief.

620
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,639
And they might love each other
and they might not.

621
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:33,199
But like you're, you're watching
these kind of like freight

622
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,800
trains of emotion wrecking into
each other.

623
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:41,679
And it's it's most perfectly
identified by Brando's

624
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,400
character.
When when Terry says, like,

625
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,679
you're the first good thing
that's ever walked into my life.

626
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,719
And I think that that is a
really touching moment where it

627
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:01,160
shows the importance of beauty
in the life of a human soul.

628
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:06,680
That when we live in a world
that has no beauty, no goodness,

629
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,680
nothing, no nothing dignifying
in the world around them, even

630
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:17,000
just a spark of that can bring
up something in that person that

631
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,680
they never knew that they had.
That this, this woman who has

632
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,280
come into his life, who has
shown him a little bit of

633
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:28,240
goodness, is sparking the
conscience that they continually

634
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,880
reference throughout the movie.
All right, I think we've talked

635
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,440
about Brando, we've talked a
little bit about Rod Steiger,

636
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,760
we've talked about Karl Malden
and Ava Marie St.

637
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,760
And that really just leaves Lee
J Cobb as Johnny Friendly, who

638
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,040
is the big bad.
My guy knew how to scream, you

639
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:48,040
know, and he's one of the great
all time screamers, but so

640
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,520
physically imposing too.
Like when he's fighting with

641
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Brando at the end of the movie,
you can tell he's fighting dirty

642
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,080
and he's out of shape, but you
could tell that, like, this man

643
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,720
could land some punches too.
You know, he could beat the snot

644
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:00,920
out of you if he really wanted
to.

645
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,880
And I think that Cobb has always
been so good at kind of throwing

646
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,800
around that physicality as a way
of covering up for whatever's

647
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,040
going on emotionally underneath.
He did it so well in 12 Angry

648
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Men, and I think he does it
equally well here in On the

649
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,840
Waterfront, just without that
added layer of vulnerability.

650
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,240
Like he just has to be the bad
guy, and he does a really good

651
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:28,440
job at being the bad guy.
And he and he sets up the world

652
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:35,520
of gangster films for like the
prototypical mob boss that you

653
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,160
see played over and over and
over again throughout the years.

654
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,240
I think that when you look at
Jack Nicholson and The Departed

655
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:49,840
that you see like a evolution of
the Lee J Cobb character.

656
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:56,120
I I think when you look at
Robert De Niro in Goodfellas,

657
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,320
like you're seeing an evolution
of Lee J Cobb.

658
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,240
And I don't know about you, Bob,
but I saw the this felt like an

659
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,400
origin story for all gangster
movies to come in a lot of ways.

660
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Yeah, it really did, man.
And I think a lot of that comes

661
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,080
down to, and Scorsese's talked
about this too.

662
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Like this is one of the first
times I saw people that I

663
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,960
recognized on screen.
And it's in the way that, you

664
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,120
know, they dress the bartender
in in that flannel shirt and

665
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,520
just things details that you
wouldn't get in a Hollywood

666
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,600
movie before this.
So, you know, for all the crap

667
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,560
that we've talked on Elia Kazan,
he, he at least got flannel

668
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,840
shirts, right, You know?
Couldn't keep keep his story

669
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,680
straight in front of Congress,
but man, those flannel shirts.

670
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,360
Let's take a break here, man.
Let's drink some whiskey.

671
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,720
I'm excited to revisit Gentleman
Jack.

672
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,240
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

673
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,840
All right, today we are checking
out Gentleman Jack Tennessee

674
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,280
Whiskey.
This comes from the Jack

675
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Daniels.
Gentleman.

676
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,040
This comes from the Jack Daniels
distillery.

677
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,680
It is like, I don't know, the
second lowest on the rung of

678
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,880
Jack Daniels in terms of like
how fancy you can get.

679
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,720
You get regular Jack, then one
step up you get to become a

680
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,720
gentleman and have gentleman
Jack.

681
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,720
That's right, Bob, have I ever
told you that for a long time,

682
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,800
when I was like 21 to 24, my
best friend and I would would

683
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,160
drink Jack Daniels all the time.
You have told me this.

684
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,120
We got the Frank Sinatra select
and I wish I still had it

685
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,760
because I'm very curious now
what it tastes like.

686
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,720
Yeah, I wonder after drinking
like 500 whiskeys if you'd be

687
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,120
like, oh, this is super
mediocre, but back then because

688
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,880
I.
I mean back then we bought this

689
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,800
in 20/13/2014 and it was $150.00
back then.

690
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,120
Wow dude, you got suckered by
the marketing man.

691
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,400
Oh, 100%.
Dude, and all along you could

692
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,640
have just been drinking
Gentleman Jack.

693
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,560
Now let me segue back into
Gentleman Jack.

694
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,520
So the difference between
regular Jack Daniels and this

695
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,720
and the difference between all
Jack Daniels and bourbon is that

696
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:11,800
Tennessee whiskey is bourbon,
folks.

697
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,360
People like to say that it's
not.

698
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,000
It is bourbon that has been put
through an extra step in this

699
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,240
process called charcoal
filtration at the Jack Daniels

700
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:21,160
distillery.
What that means is that they run

701
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:25,760
their bourbon through wood that
has been soaked in high proof

702
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,600
Jack Jack Daniels and then lit
on fire to make charcoal.

703
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,360
They say that it purifies it and
in the case of Gentleman Jack,

704
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,800
they do that two times before
entering the barrel.

705
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,840
So Gentleman Jack is double
charcoaled, Brad, and that's

706
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,840
what I'm going to start saying
when I burn the burgers on my

707
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,320
grill, like it's not burnt, it's
double charcoal charcoal.

708
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,840
The mash bill on this is 80%
corn, 12% barley and 8% rye, and

709
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,240
it is 80 proof.
Brad.

710
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,320
Let us dive into Gentleman Jack.
What are you picking up on the

711
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,520
nose?
This is a really pleasant nose

712
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,080
Bob.
The the first note that I got

713
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,320
kind of overwhelmingly was like
a really nice butterscotch.

714
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:12,120
There's a lot of vanilla,
there's some honey going on, and

715
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,360
at the end of the day, this is
Jack Daniels.

716
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,960
I am getting a nice pleasant
waft of banana.

717
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,600
This is a 7 1/2 for me.
It's not incredible, but pretty

718
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,120
good.
I'm also at a 7 1/2, and let me

719
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,600
say that we shouldn't just
assume that Jack Daniels is

720
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,280
synonymous with banana the way
that like Jim Beam is with

721
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,000
peanuts.
Because Brad, I like it is so

722
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,600
obvious to me that there's
banana on the nose of Jack

723
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,360
Daniels products.
I don't see that nosing note a

724
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,120
lot amongst other people.
I think it might just be me and

725
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,320
you that are out here, like
preaching the gospel of Banana

726
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,400
Jack.
But like it.

727
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,640
It smells like a banana laffy
taffy to me.

728
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,720
Like it's just slightly an
artificial banana candy kind of

729
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,840
thing.
And that is on top of a really

730
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,000
oaky, really spicy bourbon.
This smells like it's going to

731
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,680
be more prickly than an 80 proof
whiskey usually is.

732
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,400
And I like that 'cause it smells
mature in my glass and just with

733
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,600
a waft of like banana candy to
go with it.

734
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,080
It's a 7 1/2 for me.
Brad, what did you think of the

735
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,400
taste?
The taste came through with lots

736
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,360
of banana.
To me it was almost like, have

737
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:29,920
you ever had a like a campfire
fruit where you you, you like

738
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,400
cut open the fruit?
Usually people do with apples

739
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,440
and bananas.
It's like with an apple you

740
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,080
would core out the middle.
With a banana you you cut it

741
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,120
down the middle like a banana
split and you put toppings in

742
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,880
it.
You wrap it in tinfoil and you

743
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,600
put it in the fire for like 3 or
4 minutes.

744
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,360
Have you ever done that?
No, I never have, but that

745
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,680
sounds divine.
Oh dude, you haven't been

746
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,120
camping until you've done this.
It kind of reminds me of like a

747
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,920
slightly toasted smoked banana.
There's some Maple syrup going

748
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,160
on.
I I think that those burnt notes

749
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,400
almost turn into like a burnt
toast flavor to me.

750
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,840
There's a little bit of
wheatiness that not wheat like a

751
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,600
weeded bourbon, more like like
wheat bread.

752
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,520
It's it's good, but it's not
great.

753
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,360
I think I'm sitting at a six out
of 10.

754
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Yeah, I think that because I was
expecting that banana to be

755
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,160
there, I tasted it more than I
might have if I just sipped it

756
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,080
blind.
But it it had a ton of like

757
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,480
almost banana pudding for me on
the front of my palate.

758
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,960
And then it got pretty quickly
that sort of sour oak that we

759
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,520
get on toasted barrel products
that really came out strong for

760
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,680
me on the back of the palate.
It's not bad.

761
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:54,360
And I will say this is like way
more interesting than 99% of the

762
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,520
80 proof bourbons we drink.
I just don't think it's great.

763
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,520
Like it.
I, I applaud it for being

764
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,160
something different.
It's but it's not knocking my

765
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,840
socks off and it's not a super
cohesive tasting experience.

766
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:10,680
I'll also give it a 6 1/2.
The finish is kind of in a weird

767
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,560
spot too, because I get that
toasted oak.

768
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,040
It's a little bit bitter, It's a
little bit sour.

769
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,640
I almost have that kind of like
pink bubble gum powderiness a

770
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,800
little bit on on my palate after
I swallow.

771
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,240
It's nice and I I think this is
a really good sipping whiskey

772
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,840
for an 80 proof bourbon.
I don't think this would hold up

773
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,560
super well in a cocktail.
It's a little too sweet and the

774
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,640
oak isn't really like spicy so
much as it is bitter and sour.

775
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,800
But just just on its own, I
think it's like a 7 on the

776
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,560
finish.
Oh, I the finish for me is where

777
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,880
the proof stands out that it
just comes across really watery.

778
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,240
There's not enough flavor, like
you're just getting hints of the

779
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:58,520
flavors you got on the palate
and nothing sticks around for

780
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,640
long enough to make an
impression other than the

781
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,720
sourness.
So for me, it's a 5 1/2 on the

782
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:05,000
fish.
Wow.

783
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,640
OK.
And I, I think balance wise,

784
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,480
this is just really all over the
place of an experience.

785
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,640
I'll I'll give it a six out of
10 here.

786
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Yeah, I think I'll give it a 6
1/2 because again, like I think

787
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,280
sometimes distilleries proof
things down to 80 proof as a way

788
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:32,000
of kind of diluting out how
drastic some of the flaws in

789
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,040
something can be.
And then it kind of like rounds

790
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,800
those edges out.
So I don't want to give the

791
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,920
distillery too much credit here,
but as an 80 proof whiskey, like

792
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,200
the nose to the taste of the
finish are a definite like

793
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,000
downturn, but they're not
drastic enough for me to merit

794
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,080
like a really low balance score.
So I'll give it a 6 1/2 on the

795
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,800
value.
This is interesting because I

796
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,120
think when we first bought this
back in 2019, it was running

797
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,760
around $28.00 a bottle somewhere
in there.

798
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,360
Brad, what's it currently going
for in the state of Ohio?

799
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,120
2999.
OK.

800
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,240
Inflation has not affected it
too much.

801
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,880
I don't think this is a $30
bottle of whiskey like 262728

802
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,960
maybe, but there's something
about that, that two extra

803
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,520
dollars that I've just like,
absolutely not.

804
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,120
I think this is like a six out
of 10 on the value.

805
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,720
There's other things you could
get for around this price point

806
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,760
that are better.
There are some things you can

807
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,920
get for way less that are
significantly better than this,

808
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,920
like a Rebel 100.
I do think this is a good

809
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,200
example of the Jack Daniels
flavor profile, and it's a

810
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,200
little bit better than regular
Jack.

811
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,000
So not a terrible value, but
definitely not a great one.

812
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,000
Yeah, I'm, I'm at a 5 out of 10
on value.

813
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,320
It's not horrible value at
$30.00, but there there are just

814
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,320
so many other things you can get
like at the end of the day Bob,

815
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,960
you can get a Cooper's craft
bottled and bond for like 2 more

816
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,440
dollars than this.
And that is a far superior

817
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,320
whiskey for sure to, to
gentleman Jack for sure.

818
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,720
So I, I, for me, this is only a
5 out of 10.

819
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,920
I, I think that this had a solid
start to it.

820
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,240
It's a really interesting nose
that just doesn't have enough

821
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,800
oomph to push it over the finish
line.

822
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,400
I'm coming out to a 30 out of
50, Bob.

823
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,080
I'm at a 33 1/2, so I'm a little
bit higher than you, but not

824
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,560
significantly.
That takes us to a 63.5 out of

825
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,120
100 or a 31.75 out of 50 on
average.

826
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,800
This is below where we would
normally start recommending.

827
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,120
I do think I will recommend like
if you want to buy a bottle, you

828
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,840
know, go ahead and do it with
the caveat of like there's

829
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,240
better stuff at this price
point.

830
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,840
I think if you wanted to try a
pour that might be the way to go

831
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,880
because I don't think this will
be more than like 6-7 dollars a

832
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,520
pour and it's an enjoyable pour
especially if you like lower

833
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:07,000
proof whiskeys.
Yeah, I, oh, I think that if you

834
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,520
want to try the Jack Daniels
line and, you know, not the

835
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,760
entire line, you just want to
try a sample of it, I actually

836
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,640
do think that Gentleman Jack is
the place to go.

837
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,280
You know, regular Jack Daniels.
If you like whiskey and have

838
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,640
have tasted around the
wheelhouse a little bit, you're

839
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
probably not going to enjoy it.
Gentleman Jack gives you an

840
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,120
opportunity to see what they can
do.

841
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,680
And if it tempts you to go
further, awesome, Go for it.

842
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,840
But but this is this is probably
a good starting point.

843
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,760
All right, man, so we're we have
cooled a little bit on Gentleman

844
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Jack, but it sounds like we've
warmed up to On the Waterfront.

845
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,680
What do you say we get back into
talking about the movie?

846
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:55,920
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

847
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:02,160
That was Jack Daniels gentleman
version of their base whiskey, a

848
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:08,360
whiskey that I I don't know if I
would share with my gentleman

849
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,760
kind of friends.
Luckily I'm not friends with any

850
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,040
gentleman so they will gladly.
Accept this.

851
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,960
Well aware of that, Bob.
You know what is the most

852
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,080
attractive thing to a good
gentleman, Bob?

853
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,920
Is it 2 facts and a falsehood?
It sure is.

854
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,920
Brad is going to try to stump
you.

855
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,360
Bob to our right and what is
wrong?

856
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,560
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

857
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,960
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

858
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,280
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie and I

859
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,160
have to guess which one that is.
I say this every week.

860
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,160
It is super fun to do these on
the Season 1 films because a lot

861
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,040
of these are movies that are
like, not just near and dear to

862
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,400
my heart, but we're really
formative in starting to

863
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,320
understand what a classic movie
could be.

864
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,520
And so to get facts about a
movie as important as On the

865
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,520
Waterfront, I don't know, it's
just really cool.

866
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,400
I also had to hold myself back
from looking at the trivia page

867
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,160
on IMDb.
So, Brad, I come into this.

868
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,240
I'm proud of you.
Honestly, hit me with your two

869
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:20,440
facts and a falsehood.
Fact #1 Lee J Cobb refused to

870
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,160
sport a black eye for the final
scene of the film, as his

871
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,000
contract specifically stated
that his eyes would not be

872
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,280
marred in any way.
This led to Kazan's choice to

873
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,840
have cuts completely surrounding
his left eye.

874
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,920
However, it left the eye itself
untouched.

875
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,000
Fact #2 The leading characters
were based on real people.

876
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Terry Malloy was based on
longshoreman and whistleblower

877
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,880
Anthony Dave Vincenzo, Father
Barry was based on waterfront

878
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,680
priest John M Cordon, and Johnny
Friendly was based on mobster

879
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:57,120
Albert Anastasia.
Fact #3 after the ill feelings

880
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,320
harbored by Rod Steiger toward
Marlon Brando.

881
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,680
After shooting their taxi scene,
the two actors refused to speak

882
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,120
to each other for many years
after until the 1990s, when they

883
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,320
got back in contact with one
another and attempted to bury

884
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,440
the hatchet.
I will say I don't think I had

885
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,520
heard that story before.
It's #3 so that immediately

886
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,600
throws up some suspicion for me.
But I mean, who knows?

887
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,920
Like all these guys had beef
with each other at some point,

888
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,720
so maybe they did.
It's like Arby's, they've got

889
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,720
the beef. #2 I'm going to assume
it's true for the time being

890
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,360
because this movie was based on
true, a true story.

891
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,120
I believe it was a series of
articles that were written that

892
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,440
won the Pulitzer, and so I don't
know the names of the real

893
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,880
people.
So unless you made-up characters

894
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,080
for half of that fact, I'm going
to assume 2 is.

895
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,920
True.
Was the real story a Pulitzer

896
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,400
Prize winning story written in
the paper, or was it just Elia

897
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,280
Kazan's?
The number one was a Remind me.

898
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,360
It was about Lee J Cobb Doing
what now?

899
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,560
Yeah.
That he would not have a black

900
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,640
eye.
That's right.

901
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,880
Because I'm kind of, you know,
cut his face up around the eye.

902
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,960
I'm going to say 1 is the
falsehood.

903
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,960
I like it.
Maybe not because that sounds

904
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,560
like something stupid and diva
ish that a actor would have in

905
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,480
their contract.
But Lee J Cobb, I just want to

906
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,160
believe that he was not that,
not that much of A prima Donna.

907
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,880
So I'm going to say #1 is false.
Bob wants his villains to be a

908
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,880
good guy, to be a.
Good guy deep down, yeah.

909
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,360
Yeah, he hopes that there's hope
for him.

910
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,920
And there is because Lee J Cobb
was not a diva, and that was the

911
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,280
false.
All right, so Steiger and Brando

912
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,960
really did have beef.
They 100% did literally like 5

913
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:55,280
of the facts through the IMDb
fact page were like riffs on the

914
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,840
exact same thing.
So essentially what I gathered

915
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:06,960
was that Marlin had a very
strict clause in his contract

916
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,360
that he left the set at 4:00 PM
every day because his mother had

917
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,400
just died and he was seeing a
therapist and he would go every

918
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:20,160
day to see this therapist.
And Steiger?

919
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:28,040
The close-ups of his of him were
shot without Marlon in the taxi.

920
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Oh, interesting.
Whereas when Marlon did his

921
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,160
close-ups, Steiger stayed in the
taxi to help him stay in

922
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,040
character.
And so, you know, Steiger just

923
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,960
has some guy reading Marlon's
lines and he's acting off of

924
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,000
that and, and it he just kind of
felt like.

925
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,040
He got the shaft.
Yeah, I get.

926
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,360
It he got the shaft.
Absolutely, yeah.

927
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,360
I'm I'm Team Rod in that
scenario.

928
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,920
Honestly dude, the the more the
more and more I hear about

929
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,680
Marlin.
Oh, he was a weird bird man.

930
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,880
Yeah.
I'm just kind of in that camp of

931
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,640
like method acting beyond like,
I don't know, like on a scale of

932
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:12,440
1 to 10 of method acting like if
you get beyond like A5 or A6.

933
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Like you're just.
Kind of a Dick.

934
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,760
Yeah, yeah, he, he had a really
messed up psychology.

935
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,040
I don't think people have still
ever really figured out what was

936
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,920
going on in his head.
Like, he just seemed like a

937
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,520
really tortured guy who acted
out in some very weird manners.

938
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:35,440
But we have this body of work of
his that's like, how do you,

939
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,720
Yes, like how do you say you
can't say anything that hasn't

940
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,520
been said about this specific
role and performance?

941
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,960
And Brad, we've done a couple
Brando movies, like we've done

942
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:47,960
Apocalypse Now, we've done The
Godfather.

943
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,120
I keep mentioning that we
haven't done Streetcar.

944
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,400
I think that would be kind of
like one of his Mount Rushmore's

945
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,080
for me.
I have to assume.

946
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,960
I mean, the Godfather's a great
role, but like this is his best

947
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,000
performance that we've watched.
At least that would be my vote.

948
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,400
Oh, 100%.
Like, and for me, it comes down

949
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,480
to when his brother pulls a gun
on him.

950
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:21,160
The way he looks at his brother,
it's so mournful, it's so sad.

951
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,120
And the way he pushes the gun
away, there's like No Fear

952
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:30,080
there.
Like, Like Terry Malloy, Brando

953
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:35,040
knows that his brother Charlie
isn't pulling the gun out of a

954
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,840
fear for Brando's life.
It's out of a fear for his own

955
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,120
life.
Yeah, that that little

956
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,480
disappointment is just like,
it's so crushing.

957
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,360
It's it is incredibly crushing.
And so it's like moments like

958
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,760
that where I'm like, you don't
quite get that in in Godfather.

959
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,880
Brando's so good at acting with
his back to the camera too.

960
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,840
And just, like, watching his
physique change as his, like,

961
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,520
his posture changing to indicate
his emotion when he stumbles

962
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:09,160
upon his brother dead with four
shots in his chest, hung by his

963
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,960
hook in an alley.
Like, first of all, a gruesome

964
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,400
death.
Yeah, absolutely.

965
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,160
You know, you see it from
Brando's perspective, and then

966
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,160
you kind of see it from like,
behind his back as he decides

967
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,520
what to do.
And and he first it sinks in

968
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,560
what's happened and he's not
facing the camera and and the

969
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,320
first thing he does is just kind
of like lean up against the wall

970
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,680
and brace himself for a minute.
And it's just, it's such a

971
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,360
Brando thing to do.
Like it's no one else in the

972
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,200
world would have thought of.
You know, someone else would

973
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,800
have been a Tommy Wazzo about
it.

974
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,520
And you know, you're tearing me
apart, Lisa.

975
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,640
He doesn't do that.
You know, like he he has this

976
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,600
internal thing going on and you
only watch it by like looking at

977
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,080
the muscles in his back contort
a different way.

978
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,120
And it says so much.
And then you finally get the

979
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,760
moment where he he lays him down
on the ground and he tells Edie,

980
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,200
like, for God's sakes, don't let
them leave him out here too

981
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,000
long.
And his voice finally cracks.

982
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,240
And it's the moment where it
like, it gets me, you know what

983
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,640
I mean?
Like, because you haven't seen

984
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,480
this guy crack the whole movie
despite all the pressure.

985
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,040
And when he finally starts to
kind of cry a little bit there,

986
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,120
it's just, it's just such a
masterful performance, man.

987
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Yeah, we, we've spent so much of
this movie talking about

988
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,040
performances in general, lots
about Marlon.

989
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,080
Is there anything else in this
movie that you feel compelled to

990
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,160
talk about before we wrap up
shop here?

991
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:34,120
I want to talk about the ending
really quickly because the

992
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,440
ending I think is the part of
the movie that works the least

993
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,960
for me.
It's it's the most Hollywood

994
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,680
like putting a bow on everything
type ending to the point where

995
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,800
like the actual mechanics of
what's happening plot wise don't

996
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,080
really make a lot of sense.
So like Brando goes to confront

997
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,320
Johnny and like all the
longshoremen are hesitant about

998
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,720
going to work anyway and they
kind of are just sitting back

999
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,120
watching.
And then Brando starts getting

1000
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,600
his ass kicked and all the
longshore men are like he's 1 of

1001
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,320
theirs anyway.
And then somewhere in between

1002
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,560
him starting to get his ass
kicked and having his ass fully

1003
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,400
kicked, they all change their
tune and they're like, he's

1004
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,800
actually one of us now.
And then they decide without

1005
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:20,400
consulting each other that if he
walks in first, they'll walk in

1006
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,600
with him as a sign to
demonstrate to the shippers who

1007
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,520
have just showed up that they're
not taking orders from Johnny

1008
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,120
Friendly anymore.
Now you don't see any of that

1009
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,320
interaction amongst themselves
happening on screen.

1010
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,680
It's a very elaborate plan that
requires Brando to be like the

1011
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,800
symbolic person for them.
And then you have Father Barry

1012
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,800
Karl Malden convincing him to do
it and not allowing anyone to

1013
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,640
touch him.
And there's literally no plot

1014
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,280
reason for no one to be allowed
to touch him other than that it

1015
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:54,360
is a direct literal parallel to
him talking about Christ being

1016
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,960
with them on the like.
He's being the Jesus figure.

1017
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,360
He's being marched to his own
kind of crucifixion as like the

1018
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,000
scapegoat for all these people.
He is broken and bruised.

1019
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,440
He's holding his side at one
point.

1020
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,560
Like it's a very obvious Christ
metaphor.

1021
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,800
And but it doesn't make sense
why.

1022
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,600
Like why can't two guys just
kind of come under each of his

1023
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,120
arms and go in with it?
Like it doesn't really have any

1024
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,640
reason for existing other than
that and so.

1025
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,960
Moses having his arms held up
type of thing.

1026
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,240
Yeah, I just like when you think
about it in the context of the

1027
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,880
world of the movie, like this
doesn't make any sense.

1028
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,640
And so they actually, you know,
Johnny Friendly this whole time

1029
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,200
is like, come on, you bums go to
work and they won't listen to

1030
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,400
him.
But then they go to work.

1031
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,240
They do exactly what Johnny
Friendly told them to do.

1032
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,160
But they said, well, now that
they saw that we weren't taking

1033
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,520
orders from him, but we came in
on our own volition, they'll

1034
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,360
they'll never let Johnny
Friendly give us orders again.

1035
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,360
That makes absolutely no sense.
And like at the end of the

1036
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,320
movie, he's just standing there
going, I'll be back.

1037
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,280
You just watch.
But like, you still have the

1038
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,640
keys to the warehouse.
Your office is still right

1039
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,640
there.
Like, what do you mean it'll be

1040
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,080
back?
No one kicked you out.

1041
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,040
You are clearly not from on the
waterfront.

1042
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,520
You don't understand how these
men think.

1043
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,120
Brad, enlighten me.
I know you grew up in some rough

1044
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,200
and tumble parts of Seven Hills.
OH.

1045
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,400
Yes, it was it was a very rough
time in Seven Hills.

1046
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,840
OH, I still remember I dated a
girl from the Brecksville

1047
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,720
Broadview Heights area, which is
like a little more affluent than

1048
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,400
Seven Hills Parma, but that
crazy.

1049
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,040
So and we were at a dance the
one time and her friends were

1050
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,720
asking me like, what's it like
being at Normandy in in the

1051
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,600
hood?
And I was like, I don't know if

1052
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,720
you guys understand that Parma
is very, very similar to

1053
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,360
Brecksville, Broadview Heights.
And I'm just over here in

1054
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,280
Barbara didn't like, OK, Seven
Hills.

1055
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,720
Exactly so.
Let's talk about the ending,

1056
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,280
though.
Like, I know I'm ranting and

1057
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,120
that it, I'm saying it doesn't
make any sense.

1058
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,280
It still works emotionally.
Like it's a great ending, but it

1059
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,040
did kind of pull me out, You
know, it was like, oh, this

1060
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:07,560
movie's A-101010101010, maybe
it's a nine and a half.

1061
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,480
And it it was the ending that
did it for me.

1062
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,360
Yeah.
I mean, I, I think that the from

1063
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:21,440
a story standpoint, there's an
element of these longshoremen

1064
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:26,280
only respect brute power and
strength, and that's the reason

1065
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,240
that they've stayed in line for
so long.

1066
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:35,360
And so to watch somebody be on
the receiving end of Johnny

1067
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:42,080
Friendly's raw power and still
get up and walk in, like, to me,

1068
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,800
it felt like they were voting
him in as the next Union Leader.

1069
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,720
Like that's kind of the vibe
that I got.

1070
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Like, we'll follow him to work.
We'll never follow Johnny

1071
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,680
Friendly into work anymore.
So I like it.

1072
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,120
It worked for me.
But but I'm with you.

1073
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,640
I think that's one of the
weakest parts of the film as

1074
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,880
from a story standpoint, but
from an emotional standpoint,

1075
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,080
like, I mean, it's, it's right
up there with like passion of

1076
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,040
the Christ, like, like he's,
he's dragging himself up there

1077
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:20,120
like like Jim Caviezel.
That's that's the comparison I

1078
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,480
want to make on this podcast is
like Marlon Brando clearly

1079
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,040
patterning himself after Jim
Caviezel.

1080
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,560
Yes, obviously.
All right.

1081
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,880
One more point I want to make
real quick.

1082
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,120
And it's it's the really famous
scene in the taxi cab that we've

1083
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,760
mentioned a couple times and the
famous line, you know, you don't

1084
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,000
understand.
I could have had class.

1085
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,440
I could have been a contender.
It's the number three quote of

1086
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,680
all time, according to the
American Film Institute.

1087
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,840
It's taken out of context all
the time, you know, when people

1088
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,560
are parodying Brando.
But man, that scene is crushing

1089
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,960
in so many ways.
And you talked about when

1090
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,200
Steiger pulls the gun and
Brando's just disappointed more

1091
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,480
than anything.
For me, it's the it's the it's

1092
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:06,840
hearing him confess out loud and
owning the fact that he's a bum.

1093
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,960
It's like, ah, dude.
Like even he accepts that he's a

1094
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:12,240
butt.
The whole movie, people have

1095
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,120
been calling him a bum.
And he's like, I'm not a bum.

1096
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,640
Don't you call me a bum.
And to get to this moment where

1097
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,760
everything he's been feeling,
it's like he's clearly believed

1098
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,880
this about his brother making
his life miserable for years and

1099
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,280
he's never said it.
And to hear him confess out

1100
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:31,360
loud, not only have I finally
given into seeing myself as a

1101
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:36,080
bum the way everybody else does,
but it was you that made me this

1102
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:40,760
way is like, it's like a double
gut punch in one line.

1103
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,080
And I, you know, I keep talking
about how unbelievably sad this

1104
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,760
movie is.
I'm sure I'm not inspiring

1105
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,960
anyone to go watch this movie,
but it really taps into this

1106
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,600
undercurrents of not just the
inevitability and the

1107
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,200
oppression, but kind of like
failed dreams and, and losing

1108
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,400
out on who you're supposed to be
because you've allowed yourself

1109
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,520
to be taken advantage of.
And it really all culminates in

1110
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,320
that one moment.
Not even just that whole scene,

1111
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,000
but just that one moment for me.
And I I couldn't let us get out

1112
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,800
of here today without talking
about it a little bit.

1113
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:19,360
Yeah, I It taps into the very
essence of what it means to be a

1114
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:26,400
human, that the moments that
make us and break us until we're

1115
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,160
willing to lament what could
have been and lament what

1116
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:37,160
happened in our lives and call
out the truth of what our

1117
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,720
experience has been.
Until we're willing to do that,

1118
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,600
we will live conflicted,
disintegrated lives.

1119
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,840
And and you see that in the
character of Terry Malloy.

1120
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,240
He he doesn't know who he is.
He doesn't have a conscience.

1121
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:56,720
It, it, it, it is a broken,
boring, sad life that even his

1122
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,920
brother says like, you know,
you're like, you're coming up on

1123
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:01,760
30 now, man.
You got to make something out of

1124
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,320
your life.
And and that's what leads to

1125
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:10,160
this conversation where Terry
finally acknowledges who he is

1126
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:15,680
now, and he laments the events
that led to him becoming who he

1127
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,400
is.
And it's that choice to lament

1128
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:25,480
that choice to call a spade a
spade, that leads to him being

1129
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,640
redeemed as a character.
And I think that's the reason

1130
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:34,200
why I've swung around on this
movie is because that message is

1131
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,520
so important for all humans to
hear.

1132
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,800
All right.
On that note, it is time for us

1133
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,960
to get into our last segment of
the day, which we call let's

1134
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,240
make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1135
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,880
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

1136
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,160
Let's have another film with
this one, even if it's

1137
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,840
struggling.
It's the final segment of the

1138
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,280
day.
Now let's make it a double.

1139
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,160
Let's Make It a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1140
01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,200
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1141
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,440
feature?
Brad, do you want to go first or

1142
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,000
should I go first?
Yeah, I'll go first, Bob.

1143
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:11,600
I am going to pair this film
because I, I think it fits

1144
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:17,600
thematically and I, I think that
there's a similar vibe

1145
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,440
throughout the film.
I'm actually going to pair this

1146
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:25,000
with Raging Bull.
Now, I, I think I do want to

1147
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,360
interrupt you just for a second
to say I texted you at one point

1148
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,760
today and I told you, hey, I was
going to spring this on you

1149
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,600
later, but I want to know your
thoughts now.

1150
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,520
And I said, what did watching
the Bicycle Thieves do for your

1151
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,400
appreciation of this movie?
And your response was, damn it,

1152
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,600
Bob, I was going to make Bicycle
Thieves my let's make it a

1153
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,920
double.
So I want to publicly apologize

1154
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,720
for stepping on your Let's make
it a double.

1155
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,400
That's OK, man.
No, I, I think bicycle thieves

1156
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,440
would be a great let's make it a
double.

1157
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,920
I, I think especially for the
fact that they came out in, in

1158
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,600
similar, you know, chronological
time, like, you know, raging

1159
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,680
Bulls 1980.
The reason I went with Raging

1160
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:10,120
Bull is because that scene where
he acknowledges who he is.

1161
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:16,080
I think if you juxtapose that
with De Niro at the very end of

1162
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:21,800
Raging Bull and his inability to
ever accept who he is and the

1163
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,280
actions that have brought him to
where he is.

1164
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,120
Like when you juxtapose those
two characters and the ends of

1165
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,680
the film, like that scene with
Pesci at the end of the movie.

1166
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:37,320
Is.
Just still one of the most

1167
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,560
crushing moments I have ever
seen in a movie.

1168
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,760
And so I, I think that
thematically, if you, if you

1169
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:49,000
just go with the theme of like
the importance of accepting the

1170
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,120
things that have happened in
your life and naming them and,

1171
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,280
and, and lamenting what has gone
on.

1172
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,000
And then you see one side of the
coin and the other between On

1173
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,640
the Waterfront and Raging Bull.
I I think it's a really poignant

1174
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,520
pairing.
Yeah, I think we could honestly

1175
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,280
just put together a series of
movies called Big Dumb Boxers

1176
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:14,240
and they could do these two and
then you could throw a Rocky in

1177
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,320
there because I don't know if
you've ever seen the original

1178
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:21,440
Rocky, Brad it like it is just
on the waterfront, except like

1179
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,240
he stays a boxer and you love
him.

1180
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:26,080
You know what I mean?
Like that's it.

1181
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,360
Like it's.
Oh dude, I I literally couldn't

1182
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:35,120
stop thinking about Rocky when,
when Brando breaks into the room

1183
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,600
and starts making out with her
even though she's telling him

1184
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,400
not to, I'm like, Oh yeah, it's,
it's Rocky all over again.

1185
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,840
Sylvester Stallone out here
winning Oscars for his script

1186
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,760
that is literally just on the
waterfront.

1187
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,080
Yeah, So I, I think you could do
Rocky.

1188
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,720
I think I'm going to pair this
movie up with Mr. Smith Goes to

1189
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:56,520
Washington, which is another
movie about a guy that is like

1190
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:01,600
fighting corruption to a point
where like 15 minutes before the

1191
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,800
movie's over, you're like, how
the hell is this going?

1192
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,280
How is he ever going to win?
This seems insurmountable.

1193
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,760
And then the ending of each
movie is a little bit of like a

1194
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,640
Deus Ex machina.
It's a little bit of just like

1195
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,000
really tidy, puts a bow on
things.

1196
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,920
Might be the weakest part of the
movie, but God, I love them both

1197
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,479
and I and and damned if I don't
feel inspired at the end of each

1198
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,960
of these movies.
I really do think you could do a

1199
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,319
lot worse than pairing up on the
Waterfront and Mr. Smith Goes to

1200
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:33,000
Washington.
That is an interesting pairing.

1201
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,439
I'm not going to lie that
there's a lot different about

1202
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,760
those films, but I I think I see
where you're coming from it.

1203
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,399
It would be a very entertaining
evening to say the least.

1204
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:47,040
And you know, you Brad, as the
anti commie crusader that you

1205
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,319
are.
That's right.

1206
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,800
You you definitely want to end
with Mr. Smith Goes to

1207
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,200
Washington so you can hear all
that patriotic music and, you

1208
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,880
know, salute the flag, dude.
America, am I right?

1209
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,000
All right, let's give this movie
some final scores.

1210
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,000
I think last time I gave this an
8, and that was really by virtue

1211
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,000
of the fact that I'd seen it
many, many times and loved it.

1212
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:10,040
But then the watch that we
specifically did for the

1213
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,240
podcast, I was like, oof,
doesn't hold up for me.

1214
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,160
I don't know what I was drinking
the night before we recorded

1215
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:18,479
that.
Dude, this is a fantastic.

1216
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:22,960
I think that it does have some
some slight flaws, but it's not

1217
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,319
enough to bring it any lower
than a 9 1/2 for me.

1218
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:30,800
I believe that I was at a 7 out
of 10 and I'm going to follow

1219
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,680
your pattern.
I'll bump up a point and a half.

1220
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,279
I'm going to give this an 8 1/2
Bob.

1221
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,960
I think it's an incredible film
that has a few of the most

1222
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,479
important scenes in film history
that everybody should watch.

1223
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:49,160
It just doesn't quite rise to
that 9 out of 10 wildly

1224
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,600
impactful films for me.
Right now, this is sitting at

1225
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:57,360
#199 on IMD BS top 250 at an
8.1.

1226
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,040
So Brad, would you say, I mean,
obviously you gave it an 8 1/2,

1227
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,000
but thinking about the general
population, does that seem about

1228
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,920
right or do you still think
that's a little too low for

1229
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,920
where this movie should be?
I think with the general

1230
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,640
population I'm a little bit
surprised that it's 8 out of

1231
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,960
8.1.
I would almost guess people

1232
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:20,680
would be at a 7978 out of 10.
So you think this is like the

1233
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,560
ceiling for where for where it
could be in 2024?

1234
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,040
I would say so.
I think it's an old film and I

1235
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:31,320
think that people will struggle
to connect with certain elements

1236
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,680
of it.
I mean, one of the motivating

1237
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,040
factors of the film is that
after he rats on the

1238
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,640
longshoreman's union, they kill
all his pigeons.

1239
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,840
Bob.
Oh no.

1240
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,680
That.
Made me sad, man.

1241
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,160
The little kid crying the pigeon
for that pigeon, Yeah.

1242
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,960
There was a few references
throughout the film that I was

1243
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,840
like, Oh yeah, this is 100
percent 1954.

1244
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,920
I have no idea why that was an
insult.

1245
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,560
All right man, so that is on the
waterfront, but we'd like to

1246
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,280
know what you folks think is an
8.1 on IMDb about where you

1247
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,120
would land.
Are you closer to where me and

1248
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,720
Brad would be?
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1249
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,840
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1250
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,640
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1251
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,920
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1252
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,640
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1253
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,880
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1254
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,200
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1255
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,720
Next week, we will be talking
about a film maker whose name we

1256
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,080
dropped earlier in this episode,
Steven Spielberg looking at his

1257
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:47,480
2002 drama comedy masterpiece.
Catch Me If You Can.

1258
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,920
I cannot wait to revisit that
one, Brad.

1259
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,440
That's what, a fun movie.
Oh dude, the scene when Leo is

1260
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:56,520
is at the window during
Christmas time.

1261
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,280
Not fun, but a great scene.
So good.

1262
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,480
All right, so join us for that
next week.

1263
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,760
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1264
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,320
And we'll see you next time.