My Big Fat Greek Wedding / Willett Family Estate Bottled 6-Year Rye

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In 2002, director Joel Zwick and
star NIA Vardalos gave the world

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a zany insight into the culture
of big Eastern European

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families.
In 2024, we returned to the well

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on a brand we've been mixed
about.

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The film is My Big Fat Greek
Wedding, The.

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Whiskey is Willet Family Estate
Bottled 6 Year ride.

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And we'll review them both this
is.

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The Film and Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast.
For each week we review a

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classic movie and a glass of
whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad.

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G.
And today Brad, we are in the

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year 2002 continuing our series
on high grossing movies with a.

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Year of Our Orthodox Lord 2002.
We are jumping into the little

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movie that could from 2002 known
as My Big Fat Greek Wedding,

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Brad.
We had an option ahead of us.

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The a fork in the road, you
might say, to either continue

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down the Star Wars path, of
which there will be many more

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paths to come, or to try
something different today.

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And at the time, I thought that
it was a really good idea to try

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something different.
Let's watch My Big Fat Greek

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Wedding, a movie that I have not
seen in 22 years.

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Yes, because it was, I mean,
listen to this movie's credit, a

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cultural phenomenon.
Oh, far and away one of the

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wildest cultural phenomenons I
think I've ever seen.

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Because here's the thing, Bob.
At the end of the day, I will

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watch Star Wars a million times
over my Big Fat Greek Wedding.

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And yet it had such cultural
power that I was kind of with

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you when we were deciding
between the two movies.

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I was like, man, I like, I want
to finish up the Star Wars

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series, but I'm really
fascinated to go back to my big

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Fat Greek wedding.
I mean, boy oh boy, did we have

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an experience, Bob.
Did we see a movie or what,

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Brad?
This film was definitely made.

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Listen, 2002, folks, was a very
different time.

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And Brad, I don't know that I
have felt so old as I did

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watching this film again,
because we've talked about how

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outdated some of the effects in
Star Wars Episode One were.

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We've talked about how The
Grinch Stole Christmas feels

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like a relic of its time.
Last week we talked about Shrek

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and how that animation and all
of the pop culture references

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don't hold up.
And yet, somehow, some way, this

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small movie from 2002 feels
older than them all.

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Brad.
It's it really does, Bob.

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And and just so we're clear
here, this is the fifth highest

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grossing movie of 2002
domestically, right?

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It's behind Spider Man, Attack
of the Clones, Chamber of

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Secrets and Signs, all of which
we have now reviewed.

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If you are a member of the
Patreon, you can listen to our

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Attack on the Clones episode.
But here's Here's the thing,

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Bob.
How did this make the fifth most

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amount of money in 2002?
In terms of like box office

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ratio, so when we're talking
about intake to budget, it had

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almost a 50 to one ratio Brad
like it cost $5,000,000 to make

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this movie.
It was a very small production.

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It made $241 million at the
domestic box office and I

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believe like another 120
worldwide.

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So it made 360 ish $1,000,000
off of a $5 million budget.

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Brad, I have so much I want to
talk about with this movie

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because like I said, I have
literally not seen it since we

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rented it in probably early
2003.

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It's been 21 years.
I could have had a kid

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immediately after watching this
movie.

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That kid would be able to join
us for our whiskey segment

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today.
That's how long it's been since

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I've watched this film.
I'm really pumped to dive into

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this movie, Brad, But before we
get any further, we do want to

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say if this is your first
episode, welcome in.

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We're talking about the Greeks
today.

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You know we are.
What we're doing this season, as

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I said, is we're looking at the
highest grossing film or

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thereabouts from 1988 all the
way through 2019.

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I thought that this was a really
good idea, Brad, and we're

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getting to a point where it's
still in the fun phase.

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The early 2000s are a really fun
time to look back on.

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I feel like that stretch from,
you know, like 9596 all the way

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through probably 2008 is going
to be really, really cool and

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then we we tip into all the MCU
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So especially 2004.
Man, that's just going to be a

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blast.
We are still in the Golden age

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right now, folks, so we'd like
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series.
We'd like to know what you think

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of My Big Fat Greek Wedding.
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Brad, it is time for us to dive
into talking about this movie

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and in order to do that, it's
time for our first segment of

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the day, which we call, Brad
explains.

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Brad's gonna give us the movie
plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we call
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the movie that he has just seen,
often for the first time.

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This was not your first time
with this movie, Brad, was it?

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No, it wasn't.
Similarly to you, Bob.

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I either saw it in theaters or
at home soon.

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Soon after we went, probably
went to the old Blockbuster and

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grabbed ourselves a copy of
this.

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All right, so it's been a minute
since either of us have seen

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this movie.
Brad, you have one minute on the

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clock to spoil the heck out of
this movie.

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Tell us everything that happens,
folks.

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If you have not seen My Big Fat
Greek Wedding and and you just

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got the itch, now you can hit
pause here, go watch the movie,

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and then rejoin us.
But Brad, you have a task set

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out in front of you here, one
minute on the clock and go.

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My Big Fat Greek Wedding is a
film about a air quotes, 30 year

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old Greek woman and air quotes
who's definitely not played by a

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40 year old who looks like a 40
year old who is in the midst of

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a blossoming She is finding
herself, she is figuring out

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what life is all about.
She's losing the glasses and all

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because she met a hot dude.
Here's the difficult part

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though.
Bob, are Are you ready?

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Her family is Greek.
I hate when that happens.

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They don't want her to marry a
non Greek, but she does.

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And that's it.
That's the movie.

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That's.
That's it.

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We learned some valuable lessons
along the way, such as non

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Greeks are humans too and.
Women should be allowed to go to

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school, yeah.
That's, you know, it's a

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progressive film, Brad.
It's it's so progressive.

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Here's the thing Bob, we'll
we'll just get this out of the

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way.
There are some wild statements

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in this film, like women
shouldn't go to school and you

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know, essentially non Greeks
don't count.

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Now this Brad, to be clear,
these have been your stances on

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both women and non Greeks for a
long time and so I'm sure that

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you really appreciated having
that validated by Hollywood as

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well.
Yeah, I just wanted to double

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down on it right here, right now
on our platform.

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I want to shout it from the
mountain tops.

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OK, man, let's let's get
something else out of the way

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here, Brad.
And this isn't open-ended

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question.
You don't have to make it yes or

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no.
There's shades to this.

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Is this a good movie?
No.

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Like, I watched this last night
with my wife.

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And my My wife is a noted lover
of Hallmark films like every

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Christmas.
Despite my inability to watch

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films such as Oppenheimer or
Past Lives or things like that,

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I find time every Christmas
season to watch at least like

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four or five crappy Hallmark
Christmas movies with my wife.

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And we have a blast with it.
Sure, we were watching this last

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night, and Haley goes, this is
just a really bad version of a

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Hallmark movie.
And so if my wife can recognize

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that this is like a Hallmark
movie gone wrong, I think we can

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all safely say this is a bad
movie, Bob.

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It is not well made.
I don't know if I would tip all

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the way into saying like, this
is a bad movie, but it's

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certainly like the most generous
reading is this is a, this is an

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OK movie.
Like, it's pretty mediocre at

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parts.
I do think that there's elements

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of it, Brad, that are
legitimately bad, and we're

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going to talk about that.
But I think perhaps the best way

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to approach this movie is to A.
Be honest about the fact that

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neither one of those things this
is very good, but also B to

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really lean into the historical
context here, because like this,

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of all the movies that we've
watched Brad, this really feels

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like an A relic of its time.
It feels like something that is

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like the most 2002.
Yes.

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Well, and not only that, like I
think for you and I, Bob, this

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movie feels familiar.
I know I'll speak for myself.

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I grew up in an area with so
many Greeks and Ukrainians and

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Russians and Hungarians, and
like all of Eastern Europe, was

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just packed into our little
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And so this movie felt like I
like I have been in the the what

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I What's their name?
Tula's family.

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The porta callos is that what
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Is the Porta Callos?
Yes, I have been in the Porta

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Callos house endless times as
like a teenager hanging out with

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my friends.
Like the the, the couches that

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are covered in plastic.
All of the kitschy, weird, like

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motherland things that they
brought over when they were

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fleeing communism.
Like, like all of that.

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I I lived it.
So there was a part of me that's

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like this, I don't know, felt
like putting on a warm, fuzzy

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Mr. Rogers sweater.
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I think that that is a perfect
jumping off point because I want

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to talk about, you know, I've
been thinking about this movie

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all day, Brad, and what I
thought it was going to be and

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how it wasn't that, and then
also what I wished it was and

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was not.
And neither one of those are

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enough of a conversation to
sustain a listener of this

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podcast for the next 45 minutes.
Like, if we just give a laundry

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list of things we don't like, it
gets boring very quickly.

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So I think what we should talk
about first of all is the merits

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of the movie we got.
Now again, we don't think this

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is a great movie, but I will say
that even in the first 5-10

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minutes of the film, what I
noticed was, you know, I say

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that it's a relic of 2002.
This feels very different than

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most of the comedies we were
getting around this time.

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And you know, like for example
2001, 2002 is is when a movie

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like not another teen movie was
sweeping The young people of

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America like very, very raunchy,
but also everything had this

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quick cut MTV over the topness
to it.

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There was a like a really
plastic looking Sheen on

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everything.
This movie looks like an

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independent film, like it looks
cheaply made and not that like

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the sets are cheap or anything
like that, but it just doesn't

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look Hollywood Y and it also has
like a completely different

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rhythm to it than the quick cuts
that we're used to.

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Like, I I, I wish I could have
gone back and watched the TV ads

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for this movie.
Because I imagine that they're,

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they're the kind of ads that we
got in the early 2000s where

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they would, like, show quick
cuts between scenes and you'd

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have, like, a whooshing sound
effect.

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And there'd be a guy that's like
Tula was a waitress.

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And then they'd whip over to
something else that, you know,

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that's not actually the kind of
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And while I think that, frankly,
I think this movie is kind of

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way too slow and a little
boring, I do appreciate that it

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feels so much more like a movie
for grown-ups than what it could

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have been if Hollywood had kind
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100% I I mean this movie started
off as, you know, our main

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character Tula, played by NIA
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Vardolos probably say Vardolos.
So NIA wrote this as like a one

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woman show and it kind of plays
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Like it's not trying to be a
gotcha, funny, slick comedy.

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Like it's trying to tell a
dramatic story.

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It just doesn't have, doesn't
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helm of the different mediums,
the scripts, the cinematography,

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the the music that you would
need for it to be great.

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But, like, they're not trying to
make.

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Yeah, like you said, they're not
trying to make a 2002 comedy.

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No.
And I think that this kind of

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movie has been done to death,
especially like in the wake of

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this movie, there's a film that
came out, I don't know, one

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maybe two years ago.
There's a Italian comedian,

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Sebastian Maniscalco, and he
made a movie with Robert De

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Niro.
I think it was called All About

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My Father or something like
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And it's very much like it's
like this, like his dad is an

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old Italian man who says
inappropriate things.

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But by golly, we love him, you
know, and I think that at its

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heart, what makes this movie
work, to the extent that it does

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or does not work, is it's a very
sweet movie and it cares very

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deeply about the people in this
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Like, the point of the movie is
not to make fun of They are

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Greek and therefore they should
be ridiculed.

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Like, do they say inappropriate
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Yes.
But as with most people's

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families, we love them anyway.
And there are, there are things

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to be appreciated about these
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their lives.
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stale now because we've seen
this movie literally 100 times

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since.
But in 2002, when America was

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still very much like, you know,
Brad, think about Greek food and

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the the proliferation of just,
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US palate.
Like we didn't have Chipotle in

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2002 in Ohio.
We didn't, you know what?

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I mean?
We didn't certainly didn't have

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sushi and like pho and ramen
places and like all these things

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that we've gotten across America
now for for white people in

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America to watch this movie in
2002 and see like even remotely

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Greek things, they're like, oh,
those exotic people, like.

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And that's the appeal of this
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That's why it made so much money
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It just seems like we've seen
this 100 Times Now.

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Well, I I think the other reason
this movie made so much money

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because it this is like Haley
and I's entire conversation

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while watching this was like,
why was this so popular?

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Like, like we felt like we were
detectives on a mission trying

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to figure out like what made
this so popular.

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And I think that the the element
of foreignness makes sense.

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I think too though, there's
just, there's just so many

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places throughout this movie
where you get to see a big

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family at its best and at its
absolute worst.

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And I think that people watching
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that and go, ah, yeah, my family
too, right?

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My last name ends in a ski.
I I get it like or they don't

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get that experience and they've
never had a big family and they

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love the idea of being a part of
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And I I think that's kind of the
core of why this movie, at the

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end of the day, it is
heartwarming and it has, I don't

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know, it just has that vibe of
like, oh man, that feels really

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sincere and and kind and funny.
And even if it's not well made,

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it it it it portrays a story of
something that I want to be a

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part of.
And I think that's kind of why

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it did as well as it did.
Yeah, I agree man.

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And like, I think that the last
15 minutes of this movie do a

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pretty good job of tying things
together and really underlining

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those themes.
If we can start jumping off into

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like what didn't work about the
movie Pratt, because I don't

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know how far we can go without
talking about that.

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No, I I think we just need to
talk about the positives, the.

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Whole the whole time.
And then hit it with like five.

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Yeah, exactly.
I I extol the movie for for not

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tipping into straight
stereotype.

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Like it could have been so much
worse than it is.

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However, like and I and again I
think it's really good that it

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has that heart.
It reminds me a lot of, like,

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you know, when you watch
Goodfellas and you watch the way

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that Scorsese understands how
Italian families work like it.

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It is that kind of a thing.
You can tell that it's made from

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not just an insider view, but
somebody who really loves the

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culture that they grew up with.
I just don't think that, like, I

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don't think there's a lot of
comedy to this movie.

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Like there's there's some little
funny character traits.

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The the dad with the Windex is a
really funny trait.

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Like, you know, and then you've
got like the Greek women talking

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about how they have to like,
pull one over on the dad and the

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dad is this old patriarchal guy.
And like, yes, there's there's

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like some humor there.
I just don't think there's

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enough humor to sustain an hour
and a half long movie, aside

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from a few chuckles here and
there.

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Yeah, it's almost like it's
almost too appreciative to be

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funny, if that makes sense.
Yeah, this is.

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This belongs very firmly in the
hallowed ground of the 90 minute

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film, but it didn't quite feel
like.

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It did not.
It felt like at least a two hour

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and 7 minute movie.
Like, like, I I mean, it was

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every single second of that.
I think it was like an hour and

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34 minutes was the total runtime
and I felt every single second

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of it and some and and it's
because of what you said.

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There's so many places in this
movie that drag on a little bit

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too long that that move a little
too far.

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And like there are some funny
comedic moments.

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For me, it's when she goes to
walk and gets caught by the

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headset she's wearing and like
falls to the ground like great

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physical comedy followed up by a
really awkward scene of the two

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of them sitting behind the desk
and like, very awkwardly talking

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to each other about nothing.
And.

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And it was like you could have
just ended right after that.

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Really funny, like brilliantly
written little physical gag and

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you could have moved on to the
next scene.

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But no, we had to sit there for
another.

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I don't know, 80 seconds, right?
And it it's stuff like that that

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I'm like, oh, this movie gets
dragged down by so many

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decisions.
Like that.

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I mean the the point that
they're trying to make with this

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movie is is my family is funny,
but they're ultimately good.

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And so you've got three options
with a scene.

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A is exposition like this is
establishing something necessary

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to moving the story forward.
B is this is building towards A

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gag?
See is this is building towards

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an emotional pay off And there
are so many scenes in this movie

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where the scene is building
towards nothing and it's not

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accomplishing anything
narratively.

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Like we understand from the
title of the movie that there

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will be a wedding involved here.
It takes a good long while for

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these two people to get through
their dating relationship and

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into the wedding phase.
But then I feel like there's not

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a lot.
Like I maybe I was expecting

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father of the bride a little bit
here, but there's not a lot of

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wedding prep, there's not a lot
of actual wedding stuff.

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There's just kind of like, Oh
well, my parents want us to go

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to the Country Club, but my my
Greek family says no, OK And

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then we move on to the next
thing and there's it just seems

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like the rest of the time is
just being kind of padded out

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with filler.
I I don't know, man.

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And I know that this started as
a 45 minute one woman monologue

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show, which I imagine honestly
Brad would be very funny and

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very entertaining because Neo
Vardalos understands the humor

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in this story.
But now we're talking about

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doubling the length of that
story just to make it to 90

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minutes, and we're back in
Grinch territory from 2 weeks

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ago.
Well, it was.

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It's funny when you when you
said something along the lines

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of like so many of the scenes
feel like they're going nowhere.

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It honestly the the movie that
popped into my head was Do the

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Right Thing, where that movie
just feels like it's taking a

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slice of one block in New York
City and just showing you like,

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hey, here's here are things that
happen on an average day in the

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summer in New York City.
And obviously it all culminates

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into something and there is a
story thread going.

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But if so many of the scenes in
that movie just feel like

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they're just establishing the
vibe of of the world that, you

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know, Spike Lee is creating.
And I feel like that's what

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they're trying to do here.
They're just trying to establish

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like here's the vibe of what a
big Greek family is like the IT

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just kind of gets old somewhat
quickly.

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And may, you know, maybe that's
the genius of the film.

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It's it's gotten old for Tula,
too.

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OK, so man, the thing about this
movie is I feel like it's not

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that far off from being a really
good movie.

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Like if they had just leaned 5°
in either direction of making it

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funnier or making it more
emotional, I think we we would

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have gotten a movie that wasn't
just 5% better.

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But, you know, bumping this up
from my score redacted to like a

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7.5 out of 10, and I don't think
it's that far off from it.

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But it's also that makes it
harder for me to pinpoint

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exactly what is off with it.
Dude, I don't know if that makes

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sense.
Like it.

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It feels almost there, yeah, but
just a little underbaked.

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Yeah, I I mean, honestly, like I
think if you make it a little

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more Hallmarky, it gets a little
bit better partially just cause

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Hallmark knows what it's doing
with its movies.

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Like, there's a formula.
You stick to the formula and

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you're going to have a Hallmark
film that so many people are

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going to like.
And I this movie just felt like

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it was a little bit
directionless.

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Like, I mean, I don't know if it
had even just like AB Plus

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director that, you know, was
somewhat well known.

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I feel like that person would
keep it a little more reigned in

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that the actors wouldn't quite
have as much leeway to just be

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boring.
Yeah.

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Well, so one thing I remember
about the marketing for this

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movie, and it's it's in the
opening credits too, is that it

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starts off by just saying my
wedding and then slowly the the

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words big, Fat and Greek come in
and shove their way into my

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wedding.
And it's it's supposed to be

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this really funny visual
representation of what this

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family is going to do to this
poor woman's wedding.

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And you look at the poster for
this movie, and it's the two of

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them in their bridal, you know,
their wedding attire with the

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family, like butting in on the
side.

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And I remember this being this
loud, raucous family, you know,

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like just kind of doing their
shenanigans for an hour and a

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half.
And I got to be honest, man, I

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feel a little bit like this was
not a big fat Greek wedding.

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Like this was a wedding with
like a little bit of moussaka on

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the side.
And that's about it.

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Yeah, Like it just maybe.
And again, maybe in 2002, this

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seemed like an uproarious comedy
about this raucous family.

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But they just seem like people
with big personalities.

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They don't really stand in the
way of any of the wedding stuff.

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They have their things that are
like, tacky.

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And you know, the one at at the
end of the movie, John Corbett's

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character saying, oh, did your
answer to your make up for you?

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She says yes, and they're
laughing.

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And he says drag Queens could
learn a thing or two from your

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aunts.
It's like it's a funny touch,

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but these people really never
insert themselves in ways that

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are a hindrance to anything.
And so it kind of feels like,

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what is the point of this movie?
Is it just like I am getting

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married and I am Greek?
Because that's not a compelling

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story.
And you you have to do something

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more to make this family insert
themselves into the situation

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and cause bumps in the road,
Because otherwise there's just

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it's not progressing towards
anything.

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Yeah, but Bob, the the brothers
and and cousins make the the

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fiance, the dumb white fiance
Say like dirty phrases in Greek.

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Yeah, twice.
It's twice, yeah.

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00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,680
So it's like, it's funny, man.
And they're all Nated, Nick,

445
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,560
which which is once again
directly lifted from Goodfellas.

446
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,080
Yeah.
So you know, there you go.

447
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,800
There's my life.
Make it a double for the day I

448
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:44,040
guess.
Goodfellas, as a movie I don't

449
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:49,440
care for, does not belong in the
same class as my big Fat Greek

450
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:50,800
wedding.
All right.

451
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,080
But let's go back to what I was
just saying for a minute here,

452
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,480
because I want to get your take
on it.

453
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,160
Do you think that would fix the
movie?

454
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,720
Is it just that, like, if you're
going to call your movie My Big

455
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,520
Fat Greek Wedding, like let's
let's ramp up the Greek stuff

456
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,880
here a little bit.
Let's ramp up the big fatness of

457
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,640
it because it doesn't feel big,
fat or Greek like for most of

458
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,640
this movie.
Yeah, well, I don't know if it's

459
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,320
the lack of big fat Greekness.
I think it's the lack of

460
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,480
compelling interactions between
the family members.

461
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,240
Like the one of the only parts
of the movie that I was like, oh

462
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:34,440
wow, I feel really, like
connected here is when when Tula

463
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,680
and her brother Nick, like, sit
on the bed together and he shows

464
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,000
her his college brochure and is
like, hey, you like you inspired

465
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,080
this.
That whole interaction between

466
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,240
the two of them was the most
real interaction that any cast

467
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,880
member had throughout that whole
film, including Tula and her

468
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,560
fiance Ian.
Like that.

469
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,680
There's just not enough
authentic human interaction to

470
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,200
make me believe that this is a
real big fat Greek family.

471
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,720
Do you want to talk performances
or is there somewhere else we

472
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,560
should go before we head to
break?

473
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,320
Man, I I mean, I I think we
could kind of do a quick

474
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,640
roulette on like performances,
cinematography and sound like

475
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,720
you know, three of the the more
important things that we

476
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,720
experience in a movie.
So, like, yeah, performances

477
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,080
were.
Were there any that stuck out to

478
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,480
you in a good way?
I actually think NIA Vardalos is

479
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,400
really good.
Like I I think that she does a

480
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,040
good job with her character.
She's very natural.

481
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,640
You know, she kind of reminds me
of, she has like the the Liz

482
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,080
Lemon Tina Fey thing going on a
little bit, and I like that.

483
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,080
But it's also her story and she
wrote, it's like, of course

484
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,400
she's going to know how to play
essentially herself.

485
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,000
I was really let down by John
Corbett in this movie because

486
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,040
his entire role is like nice guy
with a completely blank face

487
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,440
that he has.
There isn't just no personality

488
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,960
like, and I'm not saying that
like I I'm not really familiar

489
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,480
with his work outside of these
films.

490
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,200
But like, I don't know if he's a
good actor or a bad actor, but

491
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,720
this character is just a nothing
burger of a character.

492
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,800
There's He is there to be
supportive fiance #12, and he

493
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,880
accomplishes that, and he looks
blandly handsome in the process.

494
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,280
And that's pretty much all we
get here.

495
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,760
Yeah.
There's nothing from him that

496
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,520
makes me go, Oh yeah, I would
risk the wrath of my entire

497
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,560
culture to marry this guy.
And like, if if there's a

498
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,600
casting you have to nail, I
think it's Tula's parents and

499
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,200
her fiance.
And they should have great

500
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,360
chemistry between the two of
them as they antagonize one

501
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,920
another over these cultural
differences.

502
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,440
And her parents, I think, are
decently well cast.

503
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Oh yeah.
I like from the, from the fact

504
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,280
that I've met so many parents
that are exactly like Tula's

505
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,560
parents that I'm like, yes,
nailed it.

506
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,480
Spot on.
The Fiance is just terrible.

507
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,040
Easily the worst part of the
movie for me.

508
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,200
And the the sucky thing about it
though is like, I don't think

509
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,960
that they have terrible
chemistry, but every scene that

510
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960
they're in together has a
different rhythm than the rest

511
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,640
of the movie.
Like it's much more low key and

512
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:31,080
they have this great like
almost, you know, we are, we are

513
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,120
dating but we are best friends
vibe like they have a relaxed

514
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,960
nature with each other and it's
really nice, but it also means

515
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,680
that they take more pauses in
between their lines and they're

516
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,400
kind of just staring at each
other lovey dovey and it it

517
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,720
slows the movie down.
Every scene with the two of them

518
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,000
slows the movie down and it
takes away from the source of

519
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000
the comedy, which is the rest of
her family.

520
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,400
And I'm with you man.
I think that both of the parents

521
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,240
are really well cast, aside from
the fact that Michael

522
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,040
Constantine, who plays the dad,
looks like the Greek version of

523
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,920
Paulie from Goodfellas.
Like, I keep going back to this.

524
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,560
I think the mom, Laney Kazan, is
really, really good.

525
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,400
And Aunt Vula, played by Andrea
Martin, is so good, she's like

526
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,280
the best.
That's what you want out of a

527
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,440
supporting character in a movie
like this.

528
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,400
But I remember at the time, you
know, Joey Fatone from In Sync

529
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,320
is in this movie for about 11
seconds and he makes it on the

530
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,840
poster.
And it was one of those things

531
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,960
where In Sync.
And by 2002, like we were kind

532
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,200
of getting over the boy band
thing and so they were starting

533
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,640
to branch out and do other
things.

534
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,320
And I was like, oh man, like
Joey from *NSYNC is in this

535
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,800
movie.
I don't know that he needed to

536
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800
be in any sort of a bigger role
than this.

537
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,800
But I remember seeing his name
pop up again and I'm like, Oh

538
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,160
yeah, I forgot he was in this
like everyone outside of the two

539
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,520
people getting married, the
parents and the one aunt, I

540
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,800
don't know that I remember any
of that, including her brother

541
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,880
who we just talked about like
he's in one scene and that's

542
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,920
pretty much it.
They don't really spend a lot of

543
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,480
time on the rest of the family
here.

544
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,960
Well the the brother kind of has
AI have cancer and then they

545
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,160
never mention it again.
Thing where he like goes up to

546
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,720
his dad and shows him a a
relatively decent drawing that

547
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,480
he wants to use for the new menu
and the dad literally just goes

548
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,560
and then he does it again at
this at a certain point and

549
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040
that's it, That's it.
Like, that's the whole

550
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,240
storyline.
At the head table at the end of

551
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,520
the movie, he's like, I'm going
to be an artist.

552
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Everyone's like, cool, Draw
Something for me.

553
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,480
That's that's your character
arc.

554
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,440
Like, OK, cool.
Oh man.

555
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,080
And and like, watching it this
time through, I I actually liked

556
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,960
the brother.
I I thought he was like, pretty

557
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,880
charming and like among all the,
like, sleazy younger brothers

558
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:55,880
that you have in like, romantic
comedies, he's easily the nicest

559
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,960
one of them all.
Like, he's he's not actually a

560
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,000
sleazebag, but you get that from
about 14 seconds of screen time.

561
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,640
So I'm like, give me, give me
more Nick.

562
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,840
Give me more, Nick.
That's the That should have been

563
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,040
the title of this movie.
All right, man, I think we're at

564
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,600
a good point to hit pause.
Let's drink some very pricey

565
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,880
whiskey today.
What do you say?

566
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Let's get to it.
All right.

567
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,320
So today we are checking out
Willett Family Estate bottled

568
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,680
rye.
This is a single barrel rye that

569
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,960
is 6 years of age.
It follows Willett's high rye

570
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,840
mashbill, which I have pulled up
here.

571
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,800
Brad.
Four, sorry, 74% rye, 11% corn,

572
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,640
15% malted barley.
It's 113.4 proof.

573
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Now, Willett is an interesting
brand that we've had on the show

574
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,600
many times.
They really made their bones on

575
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,840
sourcing whiskeys from many,
many distilleries, a lot of

576
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,480
which had stopped producing
whiskey at that point.

577
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,640
And so they'd they'd gotten
their hands on some old stock of

578
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,400
whiskey.
They would release it under

579
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,320
their label as single barrels,
and it would command thousands

580
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,480
of dollars because people found
out what was actually in the

581
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,239
bottle and they were sitting on
a gold mine.

582
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,239
Then they started distilling
their own stuff and they are

583
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,000
still trying to market
themselves as a luxury brand.

584
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,199
And a lot of their stuff is just
fantastic whiskey.

585
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:30,400
But there are an equal number of
willit haters out there because

586
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,880
aside from all the other brands
that they make, like Noah's

587
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,360
Mill, the stuff that's actually
bottled under willit is a lot of

588
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,280
times only like four, 6-7 years
old.

589
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,920
But it's commanding hundreds and
hundreds of dollars on the

590
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719
market.
So Brad, you know with all that

591
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,159
background, let us first say we
did not pay for this whiskey.

592
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,560
We had it donated by a friend of
show Wes who has been just

593
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,320
stocking us up on whiskey
lately.

594
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,920
But also we're returning to
Willett again.

595
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,760
Where are you sitting overall on
Willett as a brand I?

596
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,640
Don't know man, I I feel a
little funky.

597
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,360
About it there it.
Is it?

598
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,400
It just is a very unique brand
that has a lot of unique

599
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,400
expressions that overall if I
had to like just give it a yay

600
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,680
or nay vibe check, I think I'd
lean towards nay.

601
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Yeah, I think I would lean
towards nay, especially on

602
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960
things that are will it branded
with the purple tops and the

603
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,880
green tops, which this is I will
forever crusade for my beloved

604
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,560
Noah's Mill.
That's one of my favorite

605
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,360
favorite whiskeys on the market.
So if you can, you know my

606
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,960
general advice would be if you
can find will it brands or or

607
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,440
will it labels that aren't will
it branded things, you're going

608
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,000
to be paying significantly less
and I think that it makes it

609
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,720
much more worth the purchase.
But Brad we have a task set out

610
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,120
ahead of us which is to review
this whiskey and then spoil how

611
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,840
much it costs to buy this
whiskey.

612
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,320
This is a really old barrel.
Wes told us that it was actually

613
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,480
from like pre bourbon boom.
So we're talking about like, I

614
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,840
don't know, this is probably a a
a 10 year old barrel full of 6

615
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,680
year old rye.
So this was first put in the

616
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,600
barrel probably somewhere around
2008 or prior.

617
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,920
I'm really excited to dive into
this one, man.

618
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,920
I know that you've drank it, I
have not.

619
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,280
So take it away on your tasting
notes, Brad.

620
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,840
This is a really, really
beautiful nose Bob.

621
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,160
There's caramel, there's
cherries, there's clove.

622
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,600
The the rye spice starts to come
through.

623
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:35,240
For me there is like a distinct
Cream of Wheat note that I got

624
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:39,720
as I was nosing it.
I honestly really fantastic

625
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:43,280
nose.
Nothing that like bumped it up

626
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,600
into the upper echelon, but I'll
give it an 8 out of 10.

627
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,920
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2.
I'm with you man.

628
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:55,440
It has a really beautiful rye
forward nose, almost some like

629
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,960
fresh herbs or or like a freshly
cut grass like.

630
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,680
There's definitely something
that reminds me of being

631
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,240
outdoors with this one too, but
then it's under laid with.

632
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:08,080
I don't know how else to
describe it besides like

633
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,640
Coca-Cola spice.
Like there's a nice sweetness to

634
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,760
it, almost like a molasses.
But then all those great baking

635
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,040
spices that you get on the nose
of a freshly cracked Coca-Cola

636
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,000
as well.
Really beautiful.

637
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,200
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2
and I'm about to take my first

638
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,640
sip.
So why don't you walk us through

639
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,320
the actual palette, Brad?
Dude, this is delicious.

640
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,240
Like there's nutmeg, there's
cinnamon, there's caramel,

641
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:35,160
there's rye, there's oak.
All of it is balancing together

642
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,840
really well.
This is the first time I'll ever

643
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,760
give this note, and maybe the
last.

644
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,480
I almost felt like there is a
little bit of a really nice

645
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:50,200
olive oil taste to it.
That man oh man, just unlocked

646
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,960
the whole thing for me once.
I like pinpointed what that

647
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,680
flavor was.
I love this stuff.

648
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,520
I I gave it an 8 1/2 out of 10
here, Bob.

649
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,400
I think I'm also going to be in
an 8 1/2 and it's because it

650
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,440
doesn't quite work as well for
me as it does for you in terms

651
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,360
of marrying these flavors.
I know that there has been at

652
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,480
least one whiskey before Brad,
that I've said olive brine on,

653
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,240
and that's here.
But I think for me it's a little

654
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:18,320
bit closer to like dill pickle
brine than it is to olive brine.

655
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,560
For me, we get dill on Rise a
lot, but this one is like a

656
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,600
really sweet weeded bourbon.
So that Cherry Coke note that I

657
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,040
always pick up on weeded
bourbons with the dill forward

658
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,080
rye and that sour note is
underneath everything on my

659
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,400
palate and it doesn't kill the
experience.

660
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,720
But I also don't know if those
two flavors are as naturally

661
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,200
paired together as what they're
trying to do here.

662
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,280
Really good, but it keeps it
from being like transcendent

663
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,000
whiskey in my opinion.
So I'm at an 8 1/2, which is

664
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,040
damn good.
But man, I thought for sure when

665
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,200
I when it first touched my
tongue, I'm, I thought it was

666
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,440
going to be like a nine and a
half.

667
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,640
So I'm just slightly let down,
you know?

668
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:06,960
Yeah, and I'm kind of in a
similar place with my finish.

669
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,920
The rye spice comes through
really strong on the finish,

670
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,840
which I love.
The longer it sat after drinking

671
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,440
though, the more it reminded me.
You said it earlier, Bob.

672
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,360
Almost like a a cherry coke
molasses.

673
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,880
It almost turned into like an
apple juice flavor for me that I

674
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,600
I loved.
I I really, really enjoyed the

675
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,680
finish here.
It probably was my favorite part

676
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,040
of the experience.
I I'm going to stick it in 8

677
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,840
1/2, but man is it really good.
The second and third SIP on this

678
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,960
is where this really shines and
I I do tend to put those more on

679
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,520
the finish than on pallet
because you already got that

680
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,200
flavor lingering on your palate
from your first sip and it

681
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,360
builds and builds.
It gets much more like dense

682
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,160
like a it's like a thick piece
of cheesecake by my third sip

683
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,080
and I really, really love that.
I think once again I'm going to

684
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,240
give it an 8 1/2 on the finish.
This is shaping up to be a

685
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,560
really high scoring whiskey and
I think it's exceptionally well

686
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,320
balanced to Brad, like
everything that we had on the

687
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,440
pallet, on the nose, on the
finish.

688
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,240
Was in concert with each other
now.

689
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,240
Is it like the best thing I've
ever knows, the best thing I've

690
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:22,400
ever tasted?
No.

691
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,960
But I think I am going to bump
it up to like a nine out of 10

692
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,720
on balance.
Yeah.

693
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,640
Balance wise, I think that
everything you are getting here

694
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:38,000
is a a smooth experience that
that blends together incredibly

695
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,880
well.
So I'm with you, Bob.

696
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,680
I'm at a nine out of 10 on the
balance.

697
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,400
All right, now it's time for the
conversation, Brad.

698
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,080
The conversation about money.
So when a man loves a woman.

699
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,680
He buys her.
Will it green label?

700
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,520
OK, so how much is this
retailing for?

701
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,320
Again, this is a single barrel
from like 10 years ago, folks,

702
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,320
so.
How much?

703
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,760
How much do you want to spend,
Bob?

704
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,320
Yeah, I think you can probably
spend whatever you want on

705
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,600
these, huh?
Yeah, I I mean here.

706
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Here's what I I did today folks
as I was drinking this and

707
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,040
looking up information on it.
This is a bottle that you could

708
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:23,120
spend anywhere from about
$350.00 on to about $1200 on the

709
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,960
like.
That's the literal price range

710
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,120
that I saw for this and it hit
me.

711
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,520
I think that we need a new
category of pricing.

712
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,560
And Baba, you can tell me if I'm
crazy here, but I feel like if

713
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:42,480
we hit $150.00 or higher, we're
entering a territory of value

714
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,880
that we just need to call luxury
like that.

715
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Like we're no longer talking
about even like 120 bucks.

716
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,320
For most of my friends who drink
whiskey, they would swing

717
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,400
$120.00.
For like, man, this is a once in

718
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,160
a lifetime I I really want to
have this experience.

719
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:04,800
But once you get above 150, most
people I know would balk at that

720
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,560
and you get up past 200, three,
$100.

721
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,200
I don't know almost anybody
who'd spend that kind of money

722
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:14,040
on a whiskey.
And so for me, I don't know.

723
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,480
Do you think it's OK to just say
what is the price on this?

724
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,800
The price is luxury.
Yeah, I think I'd probably set

725
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,040
that at like 200 from that
matches personally because you

726
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,240
know, there's some barrel
products that I would call

727
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,160
premium but not luxury.
And I know that this is all

728
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,480
semantic.
But yeah, when when we talk

729
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,800
about a luxury whiskey, I think
from here on out we should be

730
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,320
thinking, all right, you know
that you're dropping at least

731
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,280
$200.00 on this whiskey.
Is it worth that price?

732
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,400
And folks, there is a free
market out there.

733
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,440
You can spend as much as you
want.

734
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,280
But we're going to say for the
sake of argument that this is at

735
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:56,120
least $200.00 at at least $200.
I think this is like a 5 out of

736
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,760
10.
It's a six year old ride, dude.

737
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,800
Like Whistle Pig is 6 years old.
That's 50 bucks you can get

738
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,680
Russell's Reserve six year.
I know we're talking about

739
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,920
bourbon now, but like, there's
no reason for this to cost

740
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,120
$1000.
I don't care how good it is.

741
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,480
Like I it's really good folks.
But it, you know, it is a coin

742
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,960
flip for me whether I would want
to spend that much money on this

743
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:19,200
bottle.
Yeah, I'm.

744
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:24,440
I'm in a pretty similar place.
I gave it a 5.5 on value score,

745
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,360
but I can't really say anything
different than you Bob.

746
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,600
This is a luxury whiskey that is
very tasty.

747
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,680
The juice is really good.
I don't know if it's luxury

748
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,320
level good.
So I Bob, I'm coming out to a

749
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:46,960
39.5 out of 50.
Like just on the cusp of really

750
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,720
being a great whiskey.
Brad, I am coming out to a 39.5

751
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,080
out of 50.
Oh.

752
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,800
Look at us.
But The thing is, like, it

753
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,760
should be a 39 point, you know
what I mean?

754
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,440
Like if you're going to pay $200
for a bottle of whiskey, it

755
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480
should be a 40 out of 50 or
higher.

756
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,160
Like, yeah, this doesn't feel
like, Oh my gosh, we finally

757
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,520
found a great one.
It feels like this is

758
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:17,400
appropriately placed and it may
even, you know, it should be a

759
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,040
couple points higher than it is.
And I hate to poo poo a whiskey

760
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,840
that's like this good.
But if you're going to be

761
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,880
charging people $1000 for it,
like yes, it should be a good

762
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,440
whiskey.
That should go without saying.

763
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,360
Yeah, Bob, I just and the world
of luxury whiskey is wild.

764
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,680
I I think I'll just say that.
Do you know how many bottles of

765
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:46,760
Rebel 100 you could buy for
$1000 5050 bottles of whiskey?

766
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,520
50, 750 millilitres.
How many millilitres is that

767
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,720
Bob?
I don't know, man.

768
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,920
Listen, it is quite a few.
35,000, Yeah, Brett, I think

769
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,040
that every time we talk about
how many bottles of Rebel 100 we

770
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,400
could buy for the price of a
whiskey this season, 'cause this

771
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,640
is not the first time we've done
it.

772
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,200
I just picture us actually
accumulating that number of

773
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,800
bottles, and by the end of the
season, we're just sitting on

774
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,720
top of a pile like smog.
Like just hoarding our treasure

775
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,920
for ourselves.
Oh.

776
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,200
Bob, if if you were a dragon,
what what color dragon would you

777
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,440
be?
I'd probably be bourbon colored

778
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,480
with the amount of Rebel 100 I'd
be drinking.

779
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:29,480
An an amber.
A nice and soft amber dragon.

780
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,640
Let's let's shift from whiskey
to uzo and keep talking about my

781
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,240
big fat Greek wedding.
What do you say?

782
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:42,280
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

783
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:47,320
That was will it something
something Single Barrel Rye, a

784
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,040
whiskey that tasted delicious
and dag on it.

785
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,840
It better 'cause that's a that's
a mortgage payment, Bob.

786
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,400
I think that the difference
between like, if I can, if I can

787
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,080
paint an analogy here, Brad, you
and I are operating with a

788
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,480
budget equal to what my Big Fat
Greek wedding cost to make.

789
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Yep, and this whiskey costs what
my Big Fat Greek wedding

790
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640
actually grossed at the box
office.

791
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,000
We should start a new podcast.
My My Big Fat Greek Whiskey

792
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,760
podcast.
Yes.

793
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,320
Yes, all right, man.
It is time for me to try to

794
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,800
redeem myself a little bit at
our next game, which we call 2

795
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,680
facts and a falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

796
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,200
your ball to our right and what
is wrong?

797
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,520
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

798
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,400
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

799
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,920
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie and I

800
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,600
have to figure out which one
that is.

801
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,240
Brad, I'm at 9:00 and 6:00 on
the season.

802
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:55,000
I am slipping quickly towards
500 and I don't want that.

803
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,800
Let's make it 9:00 and 7:00.
No.

804
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,560
Let's please don't hit me with
your two facts and a falsehood,

805
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,240
Brad.
Fact number one, My Big Fat

806
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,720
Greek Wedding was filmed in only
27 days with the final scene

807
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,360
shot of the movie being Tula and
her brother Nick talking on the

808
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,840
bed about him going to art
school.

809
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,800
Fact #2, Tom Hanks wife Rita saw
the play and recommended that

810
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,600
her husband produce a movie
version.

811
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,240
In an interview with NIA
Vardalos, she mentioned that she

812
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,200
had hung up on Hanks when he
called because she did not

813
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,520
really believe that it was him.
Fact #3.

814
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,360
Despite its status as a small
independent film, and despite

815
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,080
never holding the number one
spot at the American box office,

816
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,040
the movie went on to earn almost
US $369,000,000, a return of

817
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,600
over 61 times its budget.
Well, I'm going to say #3 is

818
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,880
true because I'm pretty sure we
both established that earlier in

819
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,600
the episode.
So I think #2 is true.

820
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,480
I mean, Hanks and Wilson were
producers on this movie, and I

821
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,640
don't know the thing about her
hanging up on him, but I can see

822
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,560
that happening.
So I'm pretty immediately

823
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:09,160
circling #1 as the falsehood.
But The thing is like, I mean,

824
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,080
I, you know, it seems like it
would be shot in 27 days.

825
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,840
It it there's nothing going on
in this movie that would

826
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,040
necessitate a long shooting
schedule. 122 days, Bob.

827
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,320
So OK, let's it was.
Grueling 14 hour days.

828
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:29,280
Let me break this down with #3.
When you say that it made like

829
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,360
USX number of dollars, you're
talking like it grossed that

830
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,240
worldwide, but it was the
equivalent of 360 uus dollars,

831
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:43,160
right?
I am saying that despite never

832
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,400
holding the number one spot at
the American box office, the

833
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,360
movie went on to earn almost US
$369 million, well return of

834
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:58,640
over 61 times its budget.
All right, I'm just going to say

835
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,400
#1's false because everything
about 3 sounds true.

836
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,000
I guess.
I don't know if it was ever

837
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,440
number one at the box office,
but who the hell cares?

838
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,600
Number one is the falsehood.
It actually.

839
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,800
So it didn't actually ever hold
the number one spot at the box

840
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:20,040
office and it I believe it is
the second highest performing

841
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,400
film based on budget to income
ratio to like Paranormal

842
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,720
Activity in 2007.
I say all that to say you are

843
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,720
correct, Bob.
Number one is the falsehood.

844
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,160
All right.
I wonder how many shooting days

845
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,080
this movie did have.
Brad, We should probably look

846
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:36,760
that up.
That's a that's probably about

847
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:47,440
four from July 5th to August
3rd, principal photography.

848
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,680
And then on August 10th, filming
officially wrapped.

849
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,240
So like, yeah, almost, almost,
exactly 27 days there, Brad.

850
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:58,080
I 100% made that up.
Like, I'm really not kidding.

851
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,600
I just was like, I don't know, I
feel like most shooting for

852
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,240
small films is anywhere from
like 35 to 60 days.

853
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,360
Is that is that crazy?
I would, yeah, sure.

854
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,600
So I was like, I don't know,
27's a short amount of time,

855
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,200
I'll say that.
Not.

856
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:15,760
You know what?
Nope.

857
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,440
That's my Big Fat Greek Wedding
three.

858
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,840
My Big Fat Greek Wedding one.
The shooting schedule remains a

859
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:21,960
mystery.
We have no idea.

860
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,840
Let's talk for a second, Brad,
while we're on the subject, this

861
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,720
movie has two sequels.
They just came out with a new

862
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,120
one, like a year ago.
I'm like, I am a little bit

863
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,880
shocked, You know, I I think
that the, the best analogy is

864
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,800
like the Mamma Mia series, which
keeps getting sequels, but also

865
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:48,960
like Mamma Mia was based on a
stage play that was based on

866
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,760
Abba's music.
Like there was a lot going into

867
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,080
Mamma Mia.
I can see why that would get

868
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,320
sequels.
I just can't believe that this

869
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,640
movie continues to get sequels
more than 20 years after its

870
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,680
original release.
It's kind of crazy.

871
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:07,840
Yeah, especially considering the
second one made $90 million at

872
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:15,200
the box office and the third
one, let's see, made made $38

873
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,840
million at the box office that
came out September 7th of 2023.

874
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,560
Yeah, it just came out.
Wow.

875
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,000
You could say we're recording
this as an homage in honour of

876
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,480
that new movie coming out.
All right, man, what else is

877
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,200
there to say about this movie?
What is?

878
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,920
What's sticking in your craw
that we haven't talked about

879
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,360
yet?
Oh man, I I don't want to stick

880
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,480
it to this movie any more than
we already have Bob.

881
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,320
Like this is a this is a good
hearted film with people who

882
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,560
tried really hard.
It's a very harmless movie, you

883
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,280
know.
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,120
There there is a little bit of,
we'll call it harmless sexism

885
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:59,120
and racism, but outside of that,
you know, it's it's pretty

886
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,920
harmless.
Actually, I would like to talk

887
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,120
about the sexism and racism for
a second because I feel like it,

888
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,120
it affected you or it stuck out
to you more than me.

889
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,920
And I don't know, like maybe I'm
just a a much more sexist and

890
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,640
racist person than you, Brad,
I'm not sure.

891
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,680
But we compared this movie in
our text messages to each other,

892
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,000
to the movie Green Book, because
I said basically everything that

893
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,560
they accused Green Book of doing
is kind of what this movie

894
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,440
actually does.
And I don't want to step on any

895
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,840
let's make it a double.
SI have no idea what your choice

896
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,400
for let's make it a double would
be, but she, it does kind of

897
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,840
seem like she wrote this movie
in the most Greek stereotypes

898
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,960
are funny kind of way.
Yeah.

899
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,680
And dude, like I said earlier,
it just seems like white people

900
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,240
in the early 2000s ate this
stuff up, you know?

901
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,760
And and again, we didn't talk
about this in the casting thing,

902
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,640
but John Corbett's parents are
like the perfect white people to

903
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,040
put in this movie.
Like they are the most perfectly

904
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,040
casted people, but I imagine
everybody in the theater looking

905
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,280
exactly like those people and
just thinking these Greek

906
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,400
stereotypes are so funny.
What is it, Brad, about the the

907
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,120
quote UN quote racism of this
movie that you feel like you

908
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,880
know didn't work or what is
outdated or anything like that?

909
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,200
I don't know if it didn't work
or felt outdated, it just felt

910
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:29,800
very honest to how the world.
How do I want to say this?

911
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,760
People who come from a strong
ethnic community, like the

912
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:43,800
Greeks, often just have the
worst views of non fill in the

913
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,800
blank.
Greeks, Ukrainians.

914
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,160
You know what?
Whatever you want to, whatever

915
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,280
you want to say.
And it's a stereotype that I

916
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,080
have seen played out so many
times in in the world that I

917
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,080
grew up in that it just felt
like, Oh yeah, I guess, I guess

918
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,080
they still do that, don't they?
Right.

919
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,600
At the very least in 2002 that
was a thing and and so I don't

920
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,720
know if it was like racism
towards Greeks.

921
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:16,760
I I think it was more of like
that kind of generic attitude

922
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,760
that the dad has.
That's just kind of like, yeah,

923
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,920
it just feels really cringy.
And it's the same attitude that

924
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,560
he had towards women.
And I'm not saying that the film

925
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:30,200
celebrates that very obviously.
The film is painting the father

926
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,600
figure as a relic of the past.
So I'm not saying like the film

927
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,000
supports it.
It's just very blatant.

928
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:43,120
And I I was almost like taken
aback by how blunt it was that.

929
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,200
I mean, he just flat out says
This is why women shouldn't be

930
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,200
educated and you're like, oh
wow, you.

931
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:51,440
Just.
I guess we're going there, huh?

932
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,080
Yeah, you don't quite hear it,
put that bluntly, even in movies

933
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,680
that want their characters to
come across as sexist anymore.

934
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,920
Yeah, that's true.
You know, Brad, this is going to

935
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,320
be one of my hottest takes of
all time on this podcast.

936
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:11,080
But I can't tell whether they
should have been even more

937
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:16,480
stereotypical in this movie.
Like to make A to make it

938
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,200
funnier.
But also, like you mentioned

939
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,560
earlier, that there's a
universal aspect to this movie

940
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,120
that people can go to this movie
and see their own families in

941
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,280
it.
And I think that that is in

942
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,360
large part what made this such a
huge box office success.

943
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,080
But I wonder if it's actually a
successful thing for the movie

944
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,360
itself.
Because as I think about, you

945
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,840
know, you could plug in any
ethnicity into this movie and

946
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,400
call it like my big fat Jewish
wedding, My big fat Persian

947
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,480
wedding.
And you would have to change

948
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,320
very little about the movie in
order to make that work.

949
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:55,280
Like, so much so that, you know,
like they say OPA every now and

950
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,560
then and they drink ouzo.
But, you know, if you said it

951
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,560
in, I don't know, wherever else,
you can just have them drink a

952
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,920
different liqueur and say a
different word, The the comedy

953
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,600
doesn't really come from their
Greekness.

954
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,120
And I think that's kind of a
detriment to the movie.

955
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,800
Is that I don't feel like I
learned a lot about Greek

956
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,760
culture from this movie.
Not that it's like required to

957
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,880
teach me Greek culture, but be
it just seemed like we are going

958
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:27,200
to kind of make this family
blandly quote UN quote ethnic.

959
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:32,000
And I think that they made it so
palatable for white American

960
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:37,560
audiences to watch this movie
and and identify blandly

961
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,400
different things about this
culture that it doesn't really

962
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,120
feel true to Greek culture.
Do you know what I mean?

963
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,520
Like if you can swap out entire
cultures that easily into this

964
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,800
movie.
I don't know if it's really

965
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,400
doing what it set out to do that
well.

966
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,920
Are you sure that's not just a
reflection on how, despite all

967
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,480
our differences, humans are
really all just the same, Bob?

968
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,800
We have the apple and we have
the orange.

969
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,040
Yes, see, he understands it.
You know what, honestly, though.

970
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,000
It's kind of a touching moment.
I I really like that moment.

971
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,480
Yeah, I did too.
And then he gives him a house.

972
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,720
He sure.
Does.

973
00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,080
That's the most 2002 thing about
this movie.

974
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,040
No one can afford a house.
Now what are we talking about?

975
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,840
Home ownership.
What a joke.

976
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:31,960
Oh man, I I think the the way
that you could swap out another,

977
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,960
you know, insert another ethnic
group here.

978
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,400
I don't know.
Yeah.

979
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,080
We're going to get into hot
water.

980
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,360
We should probably steer away
from that.

981
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Brad, it is time for us to get
into our last segment of the

982
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,960
day, which we call, Let's make
it a double.

983
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,520
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

984
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,320
the film and whiskey show.
Let's favorite another film with

985
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,760
this one, even if it's
struggling.

986
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,320
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

987
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,280
Let's make it a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

988
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,120
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

989
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,800
feature?
Brad, I am kind of curious to

990
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,960
hear what your pick for Let's
make it a double is today.

991
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,160
And I I was hoping we would get
through the episode without you

992
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,760
mentioning it, but I'm going to
pair this up with Mamma Mia.

993
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,920
I I just feel like they are the
same movie.

994
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,040
And I say that Bob never once
having seen Mamma Mia.

995
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,400
They do.
I mean, I think it, I think it's

996
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,720
set in grease.
So, like, you know, we're

997
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,720
already halfway there.
Yeah.

998
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,080
Now if anyone had just sung ABBA
songs in this also, well, I I

999
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:40,680
also have not seen Mamma Mia.
Why the hell are they in Greece?

1000
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,240
Isn't ABBA from, like, Sweden?
What are we doing?

1001
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:49,080
You know, it's Sweden's just
way, way too out there for the

1002
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:52,320
American public to.
It's just a hop, skip and a jump

1003
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,200
away from Greece.
As we all know, people who

1004
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,760
vacation in Greece often fly
through Sweden to get there.

1005
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,200
Yeah.
Very, very obvious, Bob.

1006
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,440
Brad, I think like I said
earlier, there's 100 movies.

1007
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,320
You could pair this with any
movie about a a big family who

1008
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,880
has stereotypical beliefs and
things to learn.

1009
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,880
Like I thought about just
putting Coco here.

1010
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,280
Coco would work great here.
But I'm going to, I'm going to

1011
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,480
pick a movie that I've never
talked about on this podcast,

1012
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,120
and it's an Eddie Murphy film
called Coming to America, in

1013
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:28,640
which he plays an African Prince
who is sent to America to find a

1014
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,440
bride for himself.
It is a very funny movie that

1015
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:36,280
also deals in stereotypical
beliefs and, you know, Americans

1016
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,120
not used to outside cultures.
It's also a movie that got a

1017
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,480
sequel, I think two years ago,
almost 40 years after the

1018
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,120
original movie.
But I think that Coming To

1019
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,800
America does it so much better.
And it's the first one of the

1020
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,680
first times that you see Eddie
Murphy playing like every

1021
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,840
character in a scene, and they
would make him up to be

1022
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,400
different people.
The thing that you would see

1023
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,880
with like the Nutty Professor
movies in the 90s, I just really

1024
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:02,320
love coming to America.
And I thought about it a lot

1025
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,240
during this movie.
Unfortunately, I thought about

1026
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,080
it because I think it's a better
movie than this.

1027
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,520
And that takes us to final
scores.

1028
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,200
Brad, where are you falling on
my Big Fat Greek Wedding?

1029
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,880
Oh man, Bob, this isn't a good
movie.

1030
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,160
And yet, I really enjoyed it.
Like, like it's fun, it's

1031
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,720
cringy, it's ridiculous.
There's moments in it that feel

1032
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,840
almost like it's veering into
the trash film genre, which make

1033
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:40,640
it funny.
I think I'll come to a 5.5 out

1034
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,680
of 10.
Yeah, we've we've been sitting

1035
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,760
in this area for a while now.
It seems like, and I don't think

1036
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,240
that this movie hits the lows
that either for me at least,

1037
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,680
that that either Phantom Menace
did or like the Grinch.

1038
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,640
Like, I think the Grinch has
moments that are just like this

1039
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,720
is one of, this is like a a
physical assault on my senses.

1040
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,760
And I hate this.
This movie is just kind of bland

1041
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,080
and it's not funny and it's kind
of boring for being only 90

1042
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,920
minutes long.
And yet it seems very innocuous,

1043
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,200
very harmless.
And I come out to a place where

1044
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,760
I'm like, that was fine.
I don't ever need to think about

1045
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,120
this movie again.
I don't understand why it made

1046
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,400
so much money, but I'm also not
really angry about it.

1047
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:21,600
You know what I mean?
Like, it doesn't.

1048
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,040
It doesn't suck.
So like, I'm coming out to, I

1049
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,280
think I'll give it a six out of
10, and I think that's kind of a

1050
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,240
generous score for this.
But a lot of times it's like

1051
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,000
when when I come out to
something being fine, I don't

1052
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,080
regret watching it and I don't
feel like it's an hour and a

1053
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,120
half, I'll never get back.
So there it is, 6 out of 10 for

1054
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:46,840
me, 5 1/2 from Brad, which takes
us to an average of a 5.75 out

1055
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,240
of 10.
The real question, Brad, is how

1056
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:56,120
far away from episode 2 is this
movie in terms of overall

1057
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:03,480
goodness?
Personally, I would put this

1058
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,720
quite a bit higher the OR I
would put Attack of the Clones

1059
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,920
quite a bit higher than my Big
Fat Greek Wedding.

1060
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,720
Like man, at the end of the day,
like Lucasfilm had millions of

1061
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,520
dollars to make.
Attack of the Clones and you can

1062
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,080
tell.
I would like to see a $100

1063
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,600
million version of My Big Fat
Greek Wedding and a $5,000,000

1064
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,800
version of Attack of the Clones,
just to see what happens.

1065
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,640
Because Lucas did that in 1977
and it was called Star Wars.

1066
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,080
There it is.
All right folks, if you want to

1067
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,840
hear more about Attack of the
Clones once again, you can find

1068
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,280
us on our Patreon, where we
recorded a whole review so that

1069
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,600
we can be Star Wars completists.
You get bonus episodes, you get

1070
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,720
tons of new content, you get
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1071
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:53,880
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1072
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,440
And if you want to tell us more
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1073
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,160
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1074
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,760
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1075
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,080
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1076
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,840
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1077
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,560
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1078
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,520
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1079
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,280
conversation, you can find a
link to the at the end of every

1080
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,880
single one of our show notes.
Next week is a movie that I am

1081
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,440
incredibly pumped for.
We're looking at 2000 Threes,

1082
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,640
Pirates of the Caribbean, The
Curse of the Black Pearl.

1083
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,000
I cannot wait to revisit this
movie.

1084
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,520
Brad.
Such a good movie.

1085
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,240
Yeah, super, super excited for
that.

1086
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,160
All right, join us next week for
unproblematic actor Johnny Depp.

1087
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,000
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1088
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,440
And we'll see you next time.