Men In Black / Willett A Blend of Straight Whiskeys

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In 1997, director Barry
Sonnenfeld and star Tommy Lee

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Jones gave the world a clever
reimagining of what it would be

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like if we weren't alone in the
universe.

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In 2024 we paired this match up
movie with a match up of

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whiskeys.
The film is Men in Black.

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The whiskey is Will it a blend
of straight whiskeys.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey.

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Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And this week we are in 1997 to

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revisit the sci-fi comedy
classic Men in Black, a film

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that longtime listeners will
probably not be surprised to

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know, but I was surprised to
know Brad had never seen before.

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No, Sir.
Re Bob.

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I don't know what you were doing
in the late 90s, man, but you

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were not engaging the culture.
I was not watching Alien films.

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Independence Day, Men in Black.
Just Not A, not my cup of tea.

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Your.
Mom was too busy raising you on

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Steven Curtis Chapman and Amy
Grant.

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Dude, don't you know it?
Yeah, I grew up listening in the

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Cleveland, OH area to either
105.7 with my dad, which was an

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oldie station, or 103.3, WCRF
Moody Radio, Moody radio

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broadcasting station.
And I do remember when 95.5 came

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out, and that's like pop
Christian music and we'd

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occasionally listen to that and
I remember being confused why

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there was commercials on
Christian station.

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Wow dude.
And I was busy listening to the

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absolute bop that came out of
this movie, The Men in Black

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theme song by Will Smith.
I was going to ask you if if in

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your research you actually
listened to the Men in Black

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song.
I mean, I it happened during the

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movie.
Did it.

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Yeah, at the during the credits.
Oh, OK, OK, Got it.

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It's it's so good, man.
Hot Take Will Smith.

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Not a great rapper.
Oh, false.

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We'll go into this some other
time, but hard disagree with you

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on this, man.
All right, let's dive into

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talking about this movie now
folks.

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If you are first time listeners
to the Film and Whiskey Podcast,

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this is not a podcast about
contemporary Christian music or

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the Northeast Ohio area.
It's a movie about.

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It's a podcast about film and
whiskey.

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And this season what we're doing
is we are visiting or revisiting

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the highest grossing films from
each year from 1988 to 2019.

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And we have landed squarely in
97, where there was a behemoth

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called Titanic that actually
claimed the number one spot.

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We have already talked about
Titanic.

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And so we're going a little bit
farther down the list to talk

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about Men in Black, a film that
Brad, it's it's weird because I

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was very sick last week.
I was kind of bedridden for a

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couple days and I got to watch a
bunch of movies, which was

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great.
But I watched Men in Black while

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ill, and then I had nothing but
time on my hands and I said,

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well, maybe I'll watch Men in
Black Two and Men in Black 3

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after this.
And I think the the extent to

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which the first one works better
than the second two is because

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this is like a quote UN quote
big budget comedy.

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Like it has Steven Spielberg as
an executive producer.

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It had money behind it, but it
feels small scale enough that

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like all of the money for this
movie went into the practical

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effects.
And I don't know, like, I'm

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watching it now and when I hear
big budget comedy, I think of

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like for Ragnarok, where we're
like spanning multiple galaxies

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and everything's massive.
This doesn't feel like a massive

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movie, but it feels like a movie
where they put every dollar to

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good use on the screen.
And I I don't really know that

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we have comedies anymore that
that do that sort of thing.

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Yeah, the Men in Black.
As I was watching it, I kept

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feeling like there's going to be
something else.

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Like I I feel like I've been
trained over the last 10 years

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to expect there to be something
bigger going on.

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And at the end of the day, there
is just one little small story

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about aliens being told.
And kind of charmingly so, You

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know what I mean?
Like, it feels, I don't want to

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say it feels quaint because
again, it is like a it's a big

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movie, but it's it's big in an
intimate way, if that.

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I don't know if that makes sense
or not, but that's kind of how I

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feel about it.
Yeah, no, 100% it.

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It struck me as a relic of its
time and it's it's a it's the

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type of relic I miss because I I
didn't expect there to be any

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more than what happened in the
hour and 29 minutes of actual

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like screen.
Time.

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Oh man.
Which, oh, Brad, I know what

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you're about to say.
You go for it.

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But let let us once again extol
the virtues of the 90. 90 minute

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film.
What a what a beautiful thing

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when I can sit down at like 9:00
PM and still be going to bed at

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like 1045 like.
I watched an entire trilogy of

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films in like half of an
afternoon.

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It was great.
Yeah, no, I love it, man.

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Give me a 90 minute film any day
of the week.

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Like you need more time than
that to tell big, huge, arcing

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stories.
But I don't always want big,

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huge arcing stories.
When I'm when I'm watching a

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movie, sometimes I want a nice
little cute story about aliens.

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And I think part of the charm of
this movie, I'm going to keep

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using that word charming.
Because I, I, I do think this

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movie kind of is it's it's goofy
and it's silly, but it's got

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some heart to it.
But because they aren't trying

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to build out every rule of the
world in Men in Black and they

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can just kind of mention off
hand, like, Oh yeah, at any one

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time there's 1500 aliens on on
Earth and most of them live here

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in Manhattan.
And you're like, OK, cool.

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I don't need to know any more
than that.

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But.
But it also teases the

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possibility for more down the
road.

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Like, it sets up sequels very
well because it's not trying to

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like, you know, Bradford is as
big of a fan of like, Dune as I

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am.
It's not trying to like Dune you

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to death where it's like, yeah,
and there's a million different

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species and races of people that
you have to learn everything

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about their religious beliefs.
No one cares.

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Like, yeah, Will Smith, Tommy
Lee Jones, finding fugitive

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aliens.
Let's do it.

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Yeah, well, it almost has ATV
feel, right?

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Like you, you watch like a crime
show set in New York and it's

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like, hey, there's 5 million
people in New York and at any

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moment, 150,000 of them are
terrible criminals.

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Let's catch them all and then
you have a show for 12 years.

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We are in the middle of a run of
space themed movies in the late

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90s starting I.
Was I was curious about that,

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Like we got all these aliens, we
got Armageddon coming up, Like

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what was was there something of
like a cultural moment where

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we're like we've conquered every
enemy on Earth?

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There are no problems anymore
that we can talk about in

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cinema.
So let's talk about things that

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could go wrong in space.
Yes, well, I don't know man.

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Like, I think it's it's a combo
of the weird disaster fetish we

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all had in the late 90s and we
talked about this a little last

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week and it's going to come up
again with Armageddon.

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And yeah, space exploration.
I don't know, it just seemed

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like a big thing in the late
90s.

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I miss space movies.
We don't really get them

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anymore.
Like once every three or four

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years we get a space movie and
half the time they're released

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in like January.
It's like a crappy dump, dumpy,

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wary movie.
But but yeah, I don't feel like

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we get them anymore, Brad.
Yeah, I I mean, I remember

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watching like Cowboys and Aliens
back in the early twenty 10s.

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That was like what, 2011 or 12?
Hold on.

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So you've watched Cowboys and
Aliens, but you've never got

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around to Men in Black?
Yep.

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OK.
I I believe Cowboys and Aliens

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was a dollar theater gag during
College of.

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Course.
Where we were like, yeah, it's

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it's a buck.
I'll go spend a dollar.

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Yeah.
On on Harrison Ford.

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And now?
Now we're like, scrolling

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through all of the services we
already pay for on Netflix.

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And we're like, it's free to
watch this, but you can't

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convince me to watch it.
Yep.

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Yeah, life sucks, man.
We need to.

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We need to get rid of streaming.
And hence the yearning for space

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movies in the late 90s.
Life sucks.

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Let's let's think about space.
So Brad, we are here on Men in

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Black.
It's the first time you've

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watched it and that is a perfect
setup for our first segment of

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the day, which we call Brad
explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we
call.

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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This is Brad's first time with
MIB.

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I am very excited to hear you
explain this movie because it's

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a very straightforward film.
Brad, I don't think you'll need

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a full 60 seconds to spoil this
movie.

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Do.
You.

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I mean I can take 60 seconds.
Well, listen man, the time is

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yours.
Do with it what you will 60

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seconds on the clock and go.
Men in Black is a film about

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aliens that live on Earth and
the police force that helps keep

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them in line.
Tommy Lee Jones plays a seasoned

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grizzled agent who has been
patrolling the streets of New

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York for years and years and
years and he recruits Will Smith

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to be his new partner in crime.
Partner in crime, I should say

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partner in kicking crimes butt,
am I right?

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Bob, some bug alien comes to
Earth and kills a hillbilly and

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he goes into New York to try and
assassinate some alien leader

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and accomplishes this and it
leads to the Earth almost being

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destroyed but Will Smith and
Tommy Lee Jones kick some butt

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and take some names and restore
peace to the Galaxy.

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And that I am is Men in Black.
OK, I think the logical place to

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start would be to talk about
Will Smith, but we're not going

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to do that.
We don't follow the rules of

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logic here on this podcast
because I have a spicy take.

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Brad and I think my spicy take
should lead the show today.

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You think that Vincent D'onofrio
should have won an Oscar for

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his?
Performance.

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'Cause that is a spicy take,
Bob, and I'm glad you just said

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it.
It is a committed performance I

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like, I have to say.
Yes, it sure is.

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I think that Tommy Lee Jones is
better in Men in Black than he

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is in The Fugitive.
There's my spicy take.

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That is a spicy take.
So Tommy Lee Jones really leaned

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into the guy hunting criminal
trope After he wins his Oscar.

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He does, obviously.
He does The Fugitive and then he

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does US Marshals later in the
90s, even to the early 2000s.

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He's making a movie called I
think it's The Haunted or The

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Wanted.
It's something like that where

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he's chasing Benicio Del Toro
through the woods because he's

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like an ex Navy SEAL or
something that snapped.

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He's doing this thing all the
way through the 90s and then he

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decides I'm going to do this
thing in a comedic way with

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aliens in Men in Black.
Like, this is basically him

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being the FBI agent from The
Fugitive.

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Except funny.
And I have to say, Tommy Lee

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Jones is an underrated comedic
actor.

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The guy's timing is impeccable,
Like, he doesn't get a ton of

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punch lines In this movie.
He's often playing the straight

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man to Will Smith, who gets the
punch lines.

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But The Odd Couple pairing of
these two is, is pitch perfect.

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Like it really is one of the
great duos of the last 50 years

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of movies, and it's evidenced by
the fact that they got three

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successful movies out of this
match up.

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But I think that Tommy Lee Jones
is kind of the unsung MVP of

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this whole thing, and pound for
pound, I like this performance

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better than I liked The
Fugitive.

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Man, that that is wild.
That here's the interesting

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thing in my research that I did
for this Bob, because I do

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research and let me I'll have
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I can.
I can't feel the quotes around

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the word research as you say it.
I mean, I wasn't doing research

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for the episode.
I was doing research for two

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facts and a falsehood.
Oh, OK.

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I thought you were going to say
you were doing it for your own

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edification, but.
Just just for my own personal

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edification.
Of all the movies we've watched,

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this was the one that I wanted.
To be this sparked your

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interest, yeah, Yes.
Tommy Lee Jones actually wanted

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to play the character much more
openly, like Jokey and Laffy,

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and Sonnenfeld was actually the
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essentially to say no, like you
have to play the straight man in

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every single scene for it to
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And so I I actually would say
like, yes, I am with you 100%.

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Tommy Lee Jo knocks it out of
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It's why I put him as the star
of this movie.

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But Sonnenfeld is the one who
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make sure that the performance
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Yeah, no, I love that, man.
And I don't know, do you want to

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dive a little bit deeper on
Tommy Lee Jones, or should we

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kind of move to other greener
pastures now that my spicy take

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is out of the way?
Is there anything deep about

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this movie, Bob?
Here's the thing.

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When it comes to fugitive Tommy
versus also who decided to keep

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the name Tommy for him was his
agent early in his acting

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career.
Like, yeah, Thomas Lee Jones?

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No.
Tom Lee Jones?

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No, We're sticking with Tommy.
But it's not Tom.

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Like you never say Tommy in a
vacuum.

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It's always Tommy Lee Jones.
It's not even Tommy Lee.

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It's just Tommy Lee Jones.
'Cause then it would be too much

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like the American Bruce Lee.
Well, no, I think.

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Isn't Tommy Lee the name of the
drummer from Mötley Crüe that

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you know that they made Bob?
You are asking the wrong guy.

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The wrong.
Person.

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There was a famous guy named
Tommy Lee in the 90s he he he

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partied and he married Pamela
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So I I feel like feel like there
would have been some confusion

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if you said Tommy Lee and then
this guy showed up instead.

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I know that Pamela Anderson was
the original Baywatch person,

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correct?
Yes, that's that's all I might.

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Doing this podcast with you
sometimes is just it's like Brad

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gives his opinions on the pop
culture that he's unfamiliar

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with.
Yes, 100%.

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My opinion on Fugitive versus
Men in Black Tommy Lee is that

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he's being asked to do
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And so for me it's hard to judge
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I think The Fugitive is the
highly superior film with a

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great performance from Tommy Lee
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I think Men in Black, it's a
home run in like AC Plus movie.

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You know what?
I I, I will go even further with

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my spicy take.
Do you know why I like this

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version of Tommy Lee Jones
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Is because this is Tommy Lee
Jones's version of a Harrison

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Ford performance.
It's like a a kind of grumpy,

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grizzled guy who has a light, a
lighter edge to him and a heart

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underneath the grumpiness.
And like, you don't really get

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that in The Fugitive.
Like, I think if Tommy Lee Jones

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was unavailable and they were
like, hey, Harrison Ford, can

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you do this?
Harrison Ford could have pulled

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this off beautifully.
That could have been a like a

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face off, like Harrison Ford
being chased by Harrison Ford.

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Yes.
But yeah, I mean, I think

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that's, you know, we, we went
into this a lot in our Fugitive

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episode with Patrick Williams
about how, you know, where

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Harrison Ford kind of falls
between a Costner and a Clint

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Eastwood.
And I think that's kind of what

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Tommy Lee Jones is doing with
this performance.

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It's just his version of that.
Yeah, I mean, I I think that

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Tommy Lee Jones playing Harrison
Ford, who's playing halfway

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between Clint and halfway
between who's the other person

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you name.
Costner.

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Costner it It feels like the
inception of acting.

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And that's why this performance
is better than the fugitive.

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Sure.
Yep.

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That's exactly why Bob, I am
here for it.

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I'm curious though, where are
you at on Will Smith?

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OK, so this was gonna lead to my
question, which is a a much

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broader question, which I think
we'll answer in pieces.

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I'm trying to parse out what you
thought of this movie because

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you don't seem to be like it
doesn't seem like you had as

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much fun with it as I had with
it.

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And part of that is because I
don't know what you think of

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Will Smith.
You kind of brought this up last

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week with Independence Day and
in and in that movie like you

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didn't criticize the
performance.

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I think he just said more like I
was led to believe this was a

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Will Smith movie and Will Smith
is like 110th of this movie.

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Yes, I love Will Smith in this
movie.

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I think this is where he has
finally kind of honed his on

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screen action star persona.
There's always a hint of

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awkwardness and goofiness.
He likes to insert himself into

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these situations where he's not
like, you know, he's not playing

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the guy who's been a polished
assassin for 30 years or

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whatever.
He's the guy that's like I'm I'm

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the fish out of water in this
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And by the end of the movie, you
buy him as a bona fide member of

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whatever group he's joining.
And I think that's like, that's

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why Independence Day kind of
works like he's supposed to be a

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really good fighter pilot before
this starts.

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But you're watching him learn
how to fight this new enemy, Men

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in Black, I think kind of takes
that to it's like logical

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Maximal peak.
He is completely unaware of all

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of this.
And by the end of the movie, you

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know, he's found a way to fit
in.

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And I think that it's obviously
like the the audience, you know,

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surrogate.
Like we're learning about this

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as he's learning about it.
And so yeah, man, I think this

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is like, if you're doing like
the Mount Rushmore of Will Smith

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movies, I think this has to be
on there.

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Not because it it might, may or
may not be one of his four best

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performances, but I think it's
one of the most crucial ones to

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understanding what he is
successful at doing as a movie

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star.
I think that Will Smith is

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really good here and I I don't
think that anything you said is

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like incorrect or wrong.
I I think it's a really good

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analysis of where Will is at in
his career purely based on his

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performance.
I'm just OK with him.

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I I think that he the the way he
jokes and the way he plays

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things off just often comes
across so snarky and that I I I

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struggle with him in this role
and and not that like anybody

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else would have been better than
him.

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I I think the role is feels like
it's written for Will Smith of

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the late 90s.
It's just not my favorite

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character and I I don't know if
I love the performance.

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It's good it it makes me laugh
at a certain point.

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But overall, I I think Tommy Lee
Jones just acts circles around

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him here.
I I mean, I agree with that

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because I think Tommy Lee Jones
is operating on a much more

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subtle register than he is.
But like I I also want to follow

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up with asking you, Do you think
that your problem is with his

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performance or is it with the
way the character's written?

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Because it sounds like what
you're saying is that there's

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kind of like a like a meanness
to some of what he says.

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That's not it.
It doesn't come across so much

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as like fun banter as it comes
across as like mean snarkiness.

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And so I'm wondering like, is it
the writing of the character or

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is it the way he acts it out?
I think it's some of the

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writing, but overall the
character comes across as very

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insincere to me and I think
that's my struggle with the

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character.
You don't buy him as a as a hard

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NYPD cop.
Not really, no.

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No, not at all.
Especially when it ends with him

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rapping about the Men in Black
there.

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There's just something about
Will Smith that just doesn't

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feel hey.
Man, the good guys dressed in

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black, Remember that, just in
case we ever face to face and

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make contact.
It's so good, Brad.

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Yes, Bob, please.
Please wrap it for me.

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I would love to hear your
rendition.

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I like.
I like my most monotone rap

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version of that too, right here.
Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, yes.
OK, so I'm gonna continue to

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lower your opinion of this movie
by talking about the director

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Barry Sonnenfeld, who is not,
like super well known and got

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his start as a cinematographer.
And so if you kind of paid

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attention to the way this movie
shot and Brad, you know neither

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one of us are experts at like,
camera lenses or we try our best

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to explain like.
For yourself, Bob.

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We try our best to explain the
look of a movie, but it's really

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hard when I don't understand
film stock or or lensing or

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anything like that.
But his movies and the ones that

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he shoots often have like that
sort of, I think it's like a

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wide angle lens.
There's like a bit of

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distortion, there's a bit of
almost like a bug eye kind of

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lens going on and you notice it
a lot even in like the opening

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credits of this movie where it's
just following like a dragonfly

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that's like weaving in and out.
They have a kind of whimsy and

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goofiness to the look of them.
And I say all this because I'm

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going to really make you mad.
Brad he he was the Coen Brothers

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cinematographer for about the
1st 10 years of their career,

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which means you will recognize
the look of his movies because

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he was the cinematographer on
Raising Arizona.

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Bob, I just want to take this
moment to say publicly raising

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Arizona sucks.
It's so good, Brad.

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It's a terrible.
It's like a 10 out of 10 movie

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that is.
I wish I had never done this

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podcast with you.
So I think it like he is

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probably one of the more
successful film makers to jump

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from just being a member of the
crew to being like the head

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honcho.
And he doesn't make, you know,

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he's never made like the Oscar E
movie.

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But I think that the tone that
he strikes, matching the visual

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look of the movie to the kind of
goofiness of the script, I think

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it it really fits well.
It doesn't go overboard with the

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whimsy, like if it was Tim
Burton directing this movie, but

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I think it has just enough of a
look that's like, don't take

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this movie too seriously.
It's not shot like freaking

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David Fincher was shooting it
either, you know what I mean?

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It finds a it finds a nice
visual middle ground.

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I think it's.
Not a not a Fight Club kind of

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movie can.
You imagine if this was shot

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like Fight Club?
Yo man, I mean I I think that

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there are moments where the
cinematography just works.

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Specifically, when Tommy Lee
Jones is talking to the the

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alien that's like running out of
town and the aliens alien wife

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is having a child and the shot
of Tommy Lee Jones just casually

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taking down info like he's a a
street cop.

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You know, witness, you know,
taking report on an accident

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while while Will Smith is being,
like lifted up in the air by a

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giant tentacle which like, you
know, let's just pause for a

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second and say where's that
tentacle coming from, Bob I.

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Mean.
Who's to say?

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Who's to say it's a weird movie,
but like the cities behind them,

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it's it's genuinely a really
funny yet serious.

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Yet it it perfectly fits what
this movie is going for.

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And then I don't know how they
managed to do it, but they made

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a cute as hell alien baby and
Will Smith, it might be one of

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his best parts of the film when
he's holding it.

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And I to go back to what you
said earlier, like Tommy Lee

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Jones is subtle throughout the
movie and is just the incredible

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performance.
Will Smith finally gets to be

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subtle when he's holding this
little alien baby and he's like,

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you see it dawn on him that this
baby is actually kind of cute

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and you're like, oh that like, I
want more of that, right?

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And then you.
And then you never get it again.

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Yeah, and I think this is one of
those rare instances where if

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the movie was 100 minutes long
instead of 90 minutes long, it

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probably is like 1/2 point
better as a movie as long as you

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don't pack it full of more gags.
Like if you give these guys a

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couple moments to actually act
and like give some heft to their

445
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,360
characters, I think this movie
actually works a little bit

446
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,960
better.
It it moves at such a madcap

447
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:11,800
kind of pace that yes, you get a
few moments of humanity from

448
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,400
these guys.
But like, I really do think,

449
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,200
Brad, this could be like an an
all time comedy classic if you

450
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,760
just had like 10 more minutes of
character development.

451
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,400
Yeah, no, I I do not think
you're wrong.

452
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,920
That's an interesting way of
agreeing with someone.

453
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,160
You're not right.
You're wrong.

454
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,160
I just don't think you're wrong.
You touched a minute ago on some

455
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,680
of the effects of the movie,
especially like that cute alien

456
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720
baby.
And I think watching this film,

457
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,720
one of the things that I really
miss is practical effects in

458
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,000
movies.
And this movie has such a

459
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:54,760
tangible like textile, like you
can feel, you can smell this

460
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,640
movie because there is just so
much bug guts, there's so much

461
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,600
slime and it really, really
works.

462
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,200
And I like it's one of those
things that pisses me off

463
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,960
because I'm like it can't cost
that much to throw a bucket of

464
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,400
slime on someone.
But I feel like that works so

465
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,840
much better than CGI ING bug
guts on to somebody when you

466
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,040
could just tell like.
I feel like like CGI ING slime

467
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,520
has to cost more then just get
it like calling Nickelodeon and

468
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,880
being like hey, do you have any
leftover?

469
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,680
Let's get some slime, please.
Yeah, yeah.

470
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,880
But this movie, I think for the
most part, I think the effects

471
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,480
hold up really, really, really
well.

472
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,320
And like, there are some
moments, especially the the end

473
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,320
of the movie, where the bug
creature fully reveals itself,

474
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,720
where the the early CGI of this
movie is just absolutely

475
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240
terrible.
But then there are also scenes

476
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,320
like the one you're talking
about where he's delivering this

477
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,040
baby in the background of a shot
and there's tentacles coming out

478
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,720
the windows, and those are
clearly CGI.

479
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,400
But because it's so small in the
frame, even though it's not

480
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,480
great CGI, it totally works.
Noticeable.

481
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Yeah, yeah, it it totally works.
And that's that's the beauty of

482
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,200
knowing your limitations and
like recognizing, hey, CG isn't

483
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,520
our strength right now.
We're just going to put it a

484
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,000
little ways off in the
background and not make it the

485
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000
main thing because the when they
do make it the main thing,

486
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,360
you're right, it does, it
doesn't work right.

487
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,080
I don't think that.
I think that's kind of the fatal

488
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,200
flaw of film makers nowadays.
It's not even that they use too

489
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,800
much CGI, and they kind of do,
but it's that they they're

490
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,080
convinced that the CGI has
reached the point of being

491
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,800
indistinguishable from reality,
and it clearly hasn't.

492
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,680
And so, like you always as a
filmmaker, you need to

493
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,640
understand it's not where it
needs to be yet and it's going

494
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,560
to look worse in 20 years.
So, like, how do we use it to

495
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,720
accentuate a shot without it
being the main focus of a shot?

496
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,680
And and this is a really great
example of that, because like I

497
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,120
said at the end of the film,
when the alien sheds its Vincent

498
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,760
D'onofrio skin and you see this
giant cockroach looking thing,

499
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,280
it looks like a cartoon.
Like it's not even remotely

500
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,040
realistic looking.
And that's really the only point

501
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,880
of the film where the CGI is
actually the focus of a shot.

502
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,360
So when you're paying attention
to the CGI, it looks awful.

503
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,280
Do you know what I mean?
But like, I think that's what

504
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,480
makes Sonnenfeld, for the most
part a pretty good film maker

505
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,240
here is that he knows how to
disguise it most of the time.

506
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,880
Yeah, Bob, I I don't think
you're wrong.

507
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,800
Hey, before we go to break, I
want to talk about a couple more

508
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,120
people in this movie.
It's got a pretty great cast.

509
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,920
I don't really have much to say
about Linda Fiorentino in this

510
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,240
movie.
I don't have much to say about

511
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Rip Torn as Zed, the leader of
MIB, but I do want to touch on

512
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,320
Vincent d'onofrio and his wife
because they are by far my two

513
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,240
favorite characters in this
movie.

514
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,200
Oh yeah, so the wife's name is
Siobhan Fallon and she must have

515
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,280
gotten married because now she's
listed as Siobhan Fallon Hogan

516
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,600
on IMDb.
This is a woman who is a

517
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:04,160
personal hero of mine due to
this performance and the the the

518
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,880
performance she turned in in
Forrest Gump.

519
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,720
She is the school bus driver in
Forrest Gump that talks to both

520
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Forrest and Little Forest and
has a cigarette hanging out of

521
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,880
her mouth both times.
And Forrest is like I can't talk

522
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,440
to strangers and she goes, I'm
Dorothy Harris and the

523
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,560
cigarettes just flapping up.
This woman rules.

524
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,320
I don't know anything else about
her, but she is a legend based

525
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,200
on just these two performances.
Yeah, I absolutely loved her.

526
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,040
I think that it's little side
quirky characters like this that

527
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,400
make a great comedy.
Like you, you have to have great

528
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,000
performances from your leads.
But man, when you have just

529
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,480
spectacular performances for
your little side characters, it

530
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,240
brings the whole movie to life
in a way that a lot of other

531
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,360
movies miss out on.
And you're right, the the way

532
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,080
she interacts with The Police
and with Tommy Lee Jones is just

533
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:06,240
like precious and funny.
And I I could not get enough of

534
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,520
them.
It is like a master class in

535
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,720
turning A2 scene performance
into like one of the most

536
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,480
memorable parts of a movie.
Though because she does this

537
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,480
thing, she makes this choice as
an actress to pronounce her

538
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,440
husband's name not as Edgar but
as Edgar.

539
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,120
And she does it repeatedly.
And it's like to the point where

540
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,360
I actually looked up the script
online.

541
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,600
It's just it's just typed out as
like what's wrong with you

542
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,200
Edgar.
But she's goes Edgar.

543
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Edgar.
Your skin is hanging off of you

544
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,360
Edgar.
I laughed out loud.

545
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,560
Dude it was so funny to hear her
repeatedly Just call this man

546
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,640
Edgar and the like.
Those few moments you get

547
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,760
between her and and D'onofrio,
who is like like the whole point

548
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400
of his character is he gets
killed by an alien who then

549
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,920
sucks out all his flesh and uses
his skin as like, a costume.

550
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800
And so his skin is literally
hanging off of him.

551
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,560
He can't use his limbs properly.
D'onofrio is just going for it

552
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200
and I have to say, like, it
freaking works.

553
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,880
It's like exactly what's needed
for what this movie is trying to

554
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,320
go for Brad.
Yeah, you you talked earlier

555
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,160
about like setting the tone for
a film.

556
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,600
I think that D'onofrio's
performance sets the tone for

557
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,680
how ridiculous and quirky and
over the top this movie is going

558
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,080
to be.
And I I I if I had to rank

559
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,800
performances, I think I would go
Tommy D'onofrio and then Will

560
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,240
Smith.
I'm going shaban saying Edgar as

561
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,600
#1.
As like the far and away.

562
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,480
Number one, this should have
been the Oscar nomination of the

563
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,320
film.
All right, man, I think we're in

564
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:50,960
a good spot.
Let's hit pause here.

565
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Let's drink some whiskey.
What do you say?

566
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,320
I'm ready, man.
Let's get to it.

567
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600
All right, so today we are
checking out a whiskey called

568
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,720
Will It, a blend of straight
whiskeys.

569
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Brad, this is a sample that was
provided to us by our friend

570
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Wes.
Wes, you know who you are.

571
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,440
We're not going to spoil your
full name and Social Security

572
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,640
number this time.
We're not doxing him.

573
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,920
Not today.
It depends on how good the

574
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,360
whiskey is.
If it's bad, then your full

575
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,840
address will be posted here
soon.

576
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,960
OK, so this is a product that
was released by Willett back in

577
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,000
I think like 2021-2022.
This is when Willett was still

578
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,760
sourcing a lot of stuff.
And so this is a blend of 10

579
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,560
year old MGP Rye and six year
old Willett bourbon.

580
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,440
Now Brad, I love me some Willett
products.

581
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,720
We had one last week, wasn't my
favorite among Willett products,

582
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,080
but I've poured this out in
front of me and I am falling in

583
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,440
love once again with Willett
because it has all these notes

584
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,560
that I love on the nose of
Willett.

585
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,640
This particular one, I don't
have like a ratio of what the

586
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800
blend is, but I have a feeling
that it's going to appeal to

587
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,920
both of us because it's got well
aged rye in it and it's clocking

588
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,000
in at 104 proof, which is kind
of like right in our preferred

589
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,640
like proof point.
Yeah, anything 100 to 110, it

590
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,920
often has a good chance of
striking that perfect balance of

591
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,160
complexity and just it coats
your mouth really beautifully.

592
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,560
All right, man, I'm not going to
beat around the Bush here.

593
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,160
This is a pretty pricey whiskey,
but we'll get to that in a

594
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720
minute.
Let's just dive into the product

595
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,040
itself.
Brad on the nose, I am picking

596
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,440
up what we like to refer to as
the Willit Funk.

597
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,840
There is on Willit products.
There's just this really, really

598
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,760
strong rose petal and kind of
sawdusty note, and that's here.

599
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,840
But I will say because it's
being blended with other

600
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,720
products and I don't know if
it's the MGP rye or if it's the

601
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Willit bourbon that's doing
this.

602
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,000
It it's like you cut the amount
of that aroma in half.

603
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,160
It's still there, but now it's
kind of layered in.

604
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,640
There is like a subtle secondary
note.

605
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,280
You've got beautiful notes of
like caramel and brown sugar and

606
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,280
Maple to start with.
You get up like a little punch

607
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,159
of rye grain and then you get
that rose petal underneath it

608
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:13,639
all.
And I think it makes for a much

609
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:18,320
more complex and intriguing nose
than most Willett products do.

610
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,280
I'm going to give this an 8 1/2
on the nose Brad.

611
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,800
I am far and away not with you
on the nose.

612
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,719
What?
Really.

613
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:31,600
I was not, like unimpressed.
It's an OK nose for me.

614
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,679
It it almost reminded me of like
pine cones there.

615
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,480
There's some floral things going
on.

616
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,320
It's a little bit citrusy it.
Today I'll describe the Willet

617
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,159
funk as dusty tome is, is how I
felt about it.

618
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,480
What is tome?
Nose tome.

619
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:51,679
Yeah, like a book.
Oh, like a really long letter.

620
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,120
Like I wrote a tome.
Got it.

621
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:54,679
Yes.
I've never heard.

622
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,000
OK, Yeah, I got it.
OK.

623
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,880
Yeah, I came to a six out of 10
on the nose.

624
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,120
I I just felt like it was coming
across way hotter than one O 4

625
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:10,480
even it it just was a struggle
for me to nose and enjoy.

626
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,480
There was definitely some
interesting notes though.

627
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,840
I think when it came to the
actual flavour of this whiskey

628
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,840
it improved a lot for me.
I I got on the palate, some

629
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,280
caramel cheesecake, the Rose
petals were coming through,

630
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,080
there was fresh bread, vanilla.
This had a lot of really nice

631
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,280
flavors.
It had just a hint of rye going

632
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,440
on.
Not enough to get me like super

633
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,160
excited, but overall it has a
really nice deep flavor on the

634
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,240
palate that I would give an 8
out of 10 to.

635
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,120
Yeah, I'm a little bit
disappointed in the flavor, just

636
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,760
from the standpoint of it not
having a lot of the notes that

637
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,560
the nose had.
It's very oaky, which is fine.

638
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,800
It's not Bitter Oak.
It's just like it tastes like

639
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,880
like if you've tried Woodford
and then you've tried Woodford

640
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,720
Double Oak, you can tell what
the differences are there and

641
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:07,160
where we know where the
additional oak cask has imparted

642
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,880
its flavor.
That's kind of what's going on

643
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,440
here.
I will say, compared to last

644
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,840
week's Willett product, this
reminds me a lot of that on the

645
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,440
mount, like on the mouthfeel or
I guess on the palate, but the

646
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,640
mouthfeel is significantly more
like dense and viscous.

647
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,880
Like it, it coats your mouth so
much better at 104 than last

648
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,960
week's product did at I think 94
proof.

649
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,080
I like this a lot.
It just it doesn't have.

650
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,520
I'm not getting like the rich
cheesecake notes you are.

651
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,280
I'm getting like pretty plain
vanilla, a lot of oak.

652
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,760
There's a little bit of like
pink bubble gum, but it's not.

653
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,480
It's not as deep and complex as
the nose was for me, so I'm

654
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,080
going to give it a 6 1/2 on the
flavor.

655
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,080
Yeah, and the finish came off a
little bit lower for me.

656
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,000
I gave it a 7 1/2 out of 10.
It's got a little bit of

657
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,840
caramel.
The oakiness really takes over

658
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,120
the citrusy notes, almost turned
into like a lemon zest at the

659
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,600
end.
Overall, just a really nice

660
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:14,720
solid finish. 2nd sip was much
better than the 1st and I think

661
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,560
it really improved on the
finish.

662
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:22,000
On the 2nd sip there's almost
like a almost like a Coca-Cola

663
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,560
kind of flavor left on my on my
palate on the finish there I'm

664
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,320
not getting like lemon zest and
I'm also still not getting

665
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,000
cheesecake Brad, but I am
getting that sort of creaminess.

666
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,280
It don't.
It almost reminds me more of

667
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,920
like a tiramisu then it reminds
me of a cheesecake.

668
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,200
And it's funny 'cause I think
we're getting wildly different

669
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,360
notes on this today.
Like my nose score was higher

670
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,640
than yours, your taste score was
higher than mine.

671
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,040
And now on the finish, I don't
see much overlap on what we're

672
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,440
picking up on this.
Which might be a good thing,

673
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,120
might be a bad thing, I have no
idea.

674
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,720
But it seems like this whiskey
has a lot more going on than

675
00:37:56,720 --> 00:37:58,600
either one of us is picking up
on.

676
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,160
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2 on
the finish and balance is where

677
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,680
I'm really lost on this one
because it has been a wild ride

678
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,840
from the nose to this point, so.
I mean.

679
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,400
I I don't know, man.
What do you think?

680
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,400
I'm maybe a 7.
That's.

681
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,320
Why I gave it Yeah, it's a 7 for
me.

682
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,000
It was a disappointing nose that
led to like a pretty solid

683
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,920
flavour experience and so you
know, that's a 7 out of 10 for

684
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,880
me.
I I don't know why.

685
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,480
What?
What What would make you give it

686
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,160
a 7 Bob?
I mean, I think part of it is we

687
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,720
are not usually so far off from
each other in our tasting notes.

688
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,680
And these came from the same
bottle, these samples.

689
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,560
So like, I know there hasn't
been any sort of like

690
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,240
shenanigans going on with the
sampling.

691
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,360
Now we have different, we are
different people, we have

692
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,440
different pallets.
But for us to diverge so much

693
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,160
tells me like, there's got to be
something weird going on here.

694
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,440
And also I was really pumped
about the experience going in

695
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,240
with the nose and then pretty
let down by the pallet before

696
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,320
the finish brought it back up
just a bit.

697
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,440
So it was just a little too up
and down for me.

698
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,880
But I can tell this is a well
made product And so that kind of

699
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,320
lands me at like, OK, I'm not
going to, I'm not going to Ding

700
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,360
it all the way down to A5.
Maybe I'll rest at A7 instead.

701
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,600
Well, that's this is where we're
going to get into some difficult

702
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:27,080
territory, Bob.
This whiskey is $120.00 MSRP, so

703
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,920
let's just let's just start
there.

704
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,400
If you could get this bottle for
$120.00, well, I'll give you my

705
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,680
score.
If it was 120 bucks I would give

706
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,480
this like a 3 1/2.
I don't know if I would go that

707
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,880
far just because it is like it's
all really well aged product and

708
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,320
Willit products are just always
more expensive.

709
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,040
So it's almost like for me it's
more like I I almost have to

710
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,840
measure it against other Willit
products instead of this.

711
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,600
I do still think I like my
Noah's Mill better than this and

712
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,120
that's like half the price.
But I do think this is only

713
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,360
about a 5 out of 10 on value for
me, Brad.

714
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,400
So on the secondary market,
currently what you're able to

715
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,320
find this for is anywhere from
400 to $800.

716
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,160
Nope.
Nope.

717
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Nope.
Nope.

718
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Nope, Nope, Nope Nope.
If you have a friend named Wes

719
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,840
who has a bottle of this who
wants to give you some, I

720
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,080
recommend it like I'm coming out
on on MSRP.

721
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Brad, I would come out to a 34.5
out of 50.

722
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,480
So like just a hair below that
35 mark.

723
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,360
I would recommend this.
I think this is a good whiskey.

724
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,480
I just don't think it's like a
mind blowing, life changing

725
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,200
whiskey.
Yeah, I'm kind of with you with

726
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,000
that at MSRPI would come to a 32
out of 50.

727
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,520
So just a little ways under the
35 mark.

728
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,720
Here's the thing I would, I
don't know if I would hesitate

729
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:56,120
to recommend this beyond the
fact that it's just dragged up

730
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,520
in price by the company name and
to be frank Bob Willett doesn't

731
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,040
deserve that.
Like, I'm just going to say it

732
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,720
will.
It does not have that great of

733
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:10,240
product to deserve the massive
spike in price that it gets.

734
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,880
And I I just, I don't know man.
I I think I'm souring on will it

735
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,160
a little bit.
I don't know.

736
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,200
It's not my favorite distillery.
I think that Willett's really,

737
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,840
really high end stuff is some of
the best whiskey I've ever had.

738
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,480
We, you and I, Brad went to a a
dinner last year that we were

739
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,400
very graciously invited to by a
friend where we we tried some

740
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,240
very rare whiskeys and the best
one we had all night was a

741
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,840
Willit product and like.
Was it though?

742
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,640
That was my favorite one by by a
lot and I think that bottle

743
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,560
probably cost like 2 grand like
it was it was expect you know.

744
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,640
But also like I can say that I
liked it so much because I did

745
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,520
not have to spend $2000 to get
it.

746
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,360
Yes.
So, so like, yes, Brad, we're

747
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:02,120
coming out to a 66.5 out of 100
or just a 33.25 out of 50.

748
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,120
I would recommend the whiskey
itself.

749
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,920
I would not recommend going out
and buying it.

750
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,560
Yeah, not even a pour of it
because the pour will probably

751
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,800
cost you 30 to $50.
Yeah.

752
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,760
Even more than that, probably.
If not more so, yeah, if you're

753
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,400
spending 60-70 bucks on a a few
ounces of this, it's too much

754
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,440
money.
Go buy four or five bottles of

755
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,000
Rebel 100 and you will be much
happier.

756
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,240
Be much drunker, that's for
sure.

757
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,120
All right, man, let's get back
into talking about Men in Black.

758
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,080
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

759
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,760
All right, everybody.
That was will it.

760
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,640
A blend of straight whiskeys.
Something I forgot to say.

761
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,400
During that segment, I realized
as I was drinking it that the

762
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,000
parts of the whiskey I really
liked were the MGP parts, and

763
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,160
the parts of the whiskey I
didn't like were the will it.

764
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,800
Parts Wow.
It's amazing that your palate is

765
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,800
so discerning that you can pick
out exactly what.

766
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,880
The nose was a will it nose and
I didn't love it.

767
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:13,720
And then on the palette I got
some of those MGP classic 95.5

768
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:16,560
type of notes and was like man,
I actually kind of like this

769
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,640
whiskey.
And then the finish was kind of

770
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,040
a mix of the two and I just
walked away going, oh, if they

771
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,960
had just gotten rid of the
blended part and just given me

772
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,960
the 10 year MGP, I would have
loved this whiskey.

773
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,800
All right.
Well, I I am very impressed by

774
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,040
your palette.
That's what I'll say.

775
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,240
Next, man, I appreciate that.
And you should be very impressed

776
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:41,600
by my current record in our next
game, which we call 2 Facts and

777
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,840
a Falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

778
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,360
your ball. 2 All right and what
is wrong?

779
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,160
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and A Falsehood is the part of

780
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,880
the podcast where Brad presents
me with three items as fact

781
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,520
about the making of this movie,
one of which is a complete lie.

782
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,360
Brad, I'm currently sitting at,
I believe seven and two on the

783
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,240
season.
My, my I was just saying my guy.

784
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,320
I am my guy.
I am crushing it.

785
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:12,920
My guy is.
Crushing it.

786
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,280
My guy.
Me is crushing it right now.

787
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,480
Baba, at this point in your
life, how how much does it mean

788
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,640
to you to be dominating at 2
facts?

789
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,120
This is all I have, man like
this is.

790
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,320
My, my children.
Nothing.

791
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,160
Meaningless.
I You know what?

792
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,480
When I tell my kids that I am
beating Uncle Brad at a game,

793
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200
they get pretty pumped.
I'm sure they do.

794
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,720
They don't need to know how
incredible I am they.

795
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:38,920
Don't need to know what the game
is.

796
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,800
They're just at the age where
they like playing games.

797
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Yeah, and Dad's winning.
I'll take them down the memory

798
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,640
road and and play Ken Griffey
Junior's Home Run Derby with

799
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,480
you.
All right.

800
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,440
See how that goes.
Hit me with your two facts and a

801
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,360
falsehood, Brad.
Fact number one for the iconic

802
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,240
suits in Men in Black, the
costume designer made an effort

803
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,360
to avoid looking too much like
the Blues Brothers and instead

804
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,520
focused on Cary Grant's Gray
suit from North by Northwest.

805
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,240
Fact #2, the iconic neuralizer
prop used by Agent K, was

806
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:14,160
originally a modified vintage
lava pen that director Barry

807
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Sonnenfeld often used during
script readings.

808
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,360
Fact #3 Vincent d'onofrio
researched his role as Edgar,

809
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,480
also known as Edgar, by watching
a lot of bug documentaries, and

810
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,880
in order to achieve his
character's distinctive walk, he

811
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,040
put on knee braces so that he
couldn't bend his legs and taped

812
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,720
up his ankles.
Oh, Brad, these are good ones

813
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,840
today.
Oh man.

814
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,840
OK, so #1 immediately sounded
like it could be true to me

815
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,200
because they have a much more
tailored look.

816
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,200
They have a much thinner tie,
and I'm a sucker for that grey

817
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,520
suit in North by Northwest.
However, you know all this about

818
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,600
me and so I'm like, oh, this
could be a Brad G invention.

819
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,520
Who's to say, Bob?
I don't know what a lava pen is

820
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,280
for #2.
That sounds like it could be

821
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,560
made-up, but it does have a very
like it looks like a pen, so who

822
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,840
knows.
Do you remember the I feel like

823
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,960
in the when I was in elementary
school I remember people would

824
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,240
have like a pen that had like
fake, almost like a lava lamp

825
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,760
pattern on the outside and
they're kind of like thicker

826
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,960
than a normal pen.
Do you remember what I'm

827
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,000
talking?
About No, no.

828
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,600
I see.
I remember like the thick pens,

829
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,440
but they were always the ones
that had like 15 pens inside of

830
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,120
them and you would like move
each button down to get a.

831
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,920
Different shirt.
Yes, I remember those.

832
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,640
So I don't know, man.
I feel like you're making this

833
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,480
up, #3 sounds plausible, but
he's also like my favorite

834
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,840
character in the whole movie.
So you got me today, man.

835
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,480
I'm going to just take a shot in
the dark.

836
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,480
I'm going to say that.
I'm going to say #2 is the

837
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,920
falsehood.
Bob, you can continue to brag to

838
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,760
your children that you are
winning in a game where the

839
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,400
points are made-up and don't
matter.

840
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,000
Oh, did I get it?
You did is a lava.

841
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,880
Pen a thing.
Yes, they are a thing.

842
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,840
So what you were saying is like
that.

843
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,760
That's that's true.
Like, do you remember seeing

844
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,160
them when you were a kid and
things like that?

845
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,080
Yes.
Yep.

846
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,400
I I have never been exposed to
the lava pen.

847
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,480
I'll have to send you a picture
sometime.

848
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,440
You can't just send me a lava
pen.

849
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,120
You got to send me a picture of
a lava pen.

850
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,720
Yes, we get on Amazon and order
you a set of 27 Lava Pens.

851
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,040
Thank you so much.
Commemorative men in Black

852
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,320
stamped lava pen.
All right, man, let's let's dive

853
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,960
back into the movie.
Where do you want to go from

854
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:38,520
here?
What?

855
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,160
What haven't we talked about
yet?

856
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,360
I guess, like if you have
nothing to talk about, we could

857
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,480
talk about the extent to which
this movie works for you,

858
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,600
because I feel like I've been
trying to pull it out of you

859
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,000
this whole episode, and I can't
really tell where you're falling

860
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,760
on this movie.
I love doing that to you.

861
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,600
It's my favorite thing in the
world to do.

862
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,680
Here's the thing, Bob.
You're not going to give this

863
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,440
movie like an 8 1/2 or a nine
out of 10.

864
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,560
I know that.
I'm not going to give.

865
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,600
Yeah, I do, Bob.
I watched this movie.

866
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,000
I know where it falls in the
pantheon of film history, and at

867
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,800
the end of the day, whether it's
good or bad, this is just an OK

868
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,920
movie.
And I I think that there are

869
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,640
moments of it that are funny and
amusing.

870
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,480
For me, I think the absolute
best scene in the movie is when

871
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,680
they bring Will Smith in to test
against the the Navy Seals and

872
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,120
Green Berets of the world and he
drags that table over.

873
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:47,560
That is the the perfect element
of taking itself too seriously

874
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,680
and Will Smith making fun of it.
Like that's the whole setup of

875
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,600
the entire movie, right?
We we all take ourselves too

876
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,360
seriously and Will Smith just
keeps swatting them down, right?

877
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,960
That's the one moment where it
comes together in this moment of

878
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:09,160
just pure blissful comedy, and I
absolutely love that scene.

879
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,720
Other than that, it's a solid,
funny movie.

880
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,680
I I think the more interesting
thing is why don't we get movies

881
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,840
like Men in Black anymore?
Because Because at the end of

882
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,280
the day, this is a really fun
movie that deserved to make good

883
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,960
money at the box office.
I don't know if it deserved the

884
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,640
two or three slot, like I'm
guessing it did.

885
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,360
But at the end of the day, it's
very funny.

886
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:35,120
It's got big name actors.
It's got a solid director.

887
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,240
At least in this movie he's a
solid director.

888
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,280
And I don't know why we don't
have fun movies like this

889
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,000
anymore that don't have to be
perfect.

890
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,480
They don't have to be huge.
You know, I said at the start, I

891
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,280
kept waiting for there to be
something bigger that was going

892
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,560
to happen.
And even like, the big thing

893
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,440
that happens in this movie,
like, hey, there's this alien

894
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:00,080
ship that's going to blow us all
up, doesn't feel that world

895
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,840
ending the way it does in like,
Independence Day.

896
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,640
And so there's something about
this film that just feels

897
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,880
really, I'm going to go back to
your word, Bob.

898
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,200
Charming.
You know, I think I, I don't

899
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,000
know the answer to your
question, Brad, about why we

900
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,400
don't get movies like this
anymore.

901
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,920
But I think a big part of it is
that Marvel really did swallow

902
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,080
up these kind of movies.
Like everything that was magic

903
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:30,320
oriented or super strength
oriented or even space oriented

904
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,560
got folded into the MCU after a
while, 'cause it was like, oh,

905
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,160
we have superheroes in space.
They're called the Guardians of

906
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,840
the Galaxy.
And like, I think Guardians of

907
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,920
the Galaxy was kind of trying to
go for the same tone as this

908
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,600
movie.
I've never been, especially the

909
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,400
first Guardians movie.
I've never been a huge fan of it

910
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,720
because I think it has that mean
streak in it that kind of turned

911
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,160
you off a little bit in this
movie.

912
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,480
But that movie is like
significantly meaner than this

913
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,960
movie is.
And so they just, it never quite

914
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,280
clicked for me.
It never quite charmed me the

915
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,360
way that a movie like this did.
Guardians Two, though.

916
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,600
Guardians Two got me right in
the fields, man.

917
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,840
But I think what's really
missing is not just the tone of

918
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,720
this movie, but the scale of
this movie.

919
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,720
Like, why can't we just go watch
a movie that feels as small

920
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,120
scale as this and be happy with
it?

921
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,040
We talked, you know, like every
time we talk about this, Brad, I

922
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,720
go back to like the Sam Raimi
Spider Man movies because

923
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,720
they're like, they're big,
massive movies that take place

924
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,040
on this sprawling canvas of New
York City.

925
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,360
But they're always contained to
like, one guy fighting one other

926
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,640
guy or maybe two other guys over
the course of a movie.

927
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,120
And that's it.
Like, no one's, no one's blowing

928
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,400
up the world.
Like, maybe someone threatens to

929
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,200
blow up a building, but like,
that's that's the extent of it.

930
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,080
That's the perfect amount of
stakes.

931
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,640
And I just kind of wish that we
still got movies, whether they

932
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,720
are comedies like this, whether
they're action films, whether

933
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:02,280
they're superheroes, whatever,
that are appropriately low

934
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,840
stakes.
Because if the fate of the

935
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,720
universe rests on every single
movie, then none of these movies

936
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:12,760
seem to have any stakes after a
while, because they're just all

937
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,160
you know what's what's the
what's the phrase like?

938
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,720
Par for the course after a
while, Well.

939
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,800
I mean, here's here's an
interesting thought as the

940
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,240
Internet completely changed the
world and broadened our

941
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:29,360
attention like our attention
horizon of like what we pay

942
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:34,560
attention to in the world, it
seems like movies broadened the

943
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,960
scope of what's going to happen
if the heroes fail.

944
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Like you know, and you have
Independence Day, you have

945
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,400
Armageddon, you have world
ending movies before the mid

946
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,280
2000s, but it seems like you
have a lot more films that deal

947
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,680
with small subject matter.
Whereas by the time you hit 2010

948
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,440
and on, it feels very rare to
have what you said right.

949
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,960
Like a die hard film where
what's at stake?

950
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,440
Well, the lives of like 30 or 40
party goers at a high rise in

951
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,720
LA, like the and that's it at
the end of the day.

952
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,760
You know, sure, they might steal
a lot of money, but it's not

953
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,400
going to wreck the world
economy.

954
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,920
And so, yeah, it's just an
interesting thought.

955
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:25,760
I don't know if as humans,
attention span gets broader, not

956
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,320
longer.
It's definitely gotten.

957
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,880
Shorter.
So you're saying that the that

958
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,160
globalization ruined movies.
That's where we're going.

959
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:32,800
Yeah.
Got it.

960
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,320
OK.
I mean, am I wrong like?

961
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,080
You know what, I I will say,
though that I think these movies

962
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,880
are still getting made on a much
smaller budgetary scale.

963
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,720
Like, especially like in the in
the 2000 Tens, there were a lot

964
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:50,840
of indie movies that had kind
of, like fantastical elements to

965
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,280
them.
There's a movie with Aubrey

966
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,320
Plaza called Safety Not
Guaranteed that it was about

967
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,840
like, oh, maybe we're building a
time travel machine.

968
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,840
Maybe it'll work.
And it was like this tiny

969
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,640
budget, like sort of sci-fi
indie movie.

970
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,840
And it was fun.
But like, you know, it was an

971
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,440
indie movie.
So they really couldn't go very

972
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,440
big with like special effects or
actually leaning into the sci-fi

973
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,200
elements too much.
And I think what I really miss

974
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:19,760
is like small scale, big budget.
Like why don't we allocate

975
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,600
budgets to movies that are like,
we're going to make this a real

976
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,880
big Hollywood movie?
It just doesn't have to

977
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,000
encompass blowing up the
universe, you know what I mean?

978
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,000
Like, just put a guy in a skin
suit and have him drive a

979
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,240
exterminating truck around New
York City.

980
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,160
And like, that's fun enough.
Let's do it, man.

981
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,160
It's like a taking Apollo 123
spin off.

982
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:50,720
Skin suit guy steals a train.
Oh man, Bob, I I think I've said

983
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,720
everything I need to say about.
Yeah.

984
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,000
It's hard to get into our last
segment of the day, which we

985
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,760
call.
Let's make it a double.

986
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,400
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things listening to

987
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,240
the film and Whisk.
Let's pair another film with

988
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:05,640
this one, even if it's
struggling.

989
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,240
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

990
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,640
Let's make it a double is the
part of the program where we

991
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,600
pick a movie to pair up with
this one to make the perfect

992
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,960
double feature.
That was the most P words I said

993
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,400
in one sentence ever.
Brad.

994
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,640
It sure is, Bob.
I I think for me, with today's

995
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,960
Let's make it a double, I I was
thinking about going in a

996
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,640
similar, you know, in the same
decade, similar kind of

997
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,120
campiness level of a film.
I was thinking about Galaxy

998
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,200
Quest, but I think I'm actually
going to go with a movie that I

999
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,480
actually want people to watch
because I think it's a a better

1000
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,120
version of a space comedy.
I'm going to recommend 2005's

1001
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,240
Hitchhiker's Guide to the
Galaxy.

1002
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,440
A movie that I have never seen.
Brad.

1003
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,200
Oh Bob, once again, probably
like a 7 1/2 out of 10.

1004
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:00,040
Nothing that's going to shake
the foundations of cinema, but

1005
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,920
just a really funny Martin
Freeman performance based on

1006
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,200
what might be the funniest book
ever written.

1007
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,400
See, that was the thing.
When I was like a teenager, I

1008
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,520
remember a lot of people telling
me you need to read Hitchhiker's

1009
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,240
Guide to the Galaxy.
It's such a fun book.

1010
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,120
And I I don't know exactly how
long the book is, but I remember

1011
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,560
thinking like that's a little
bit too long for me to want to

1012
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,800
read write this moment.
And then like every time I had

1013
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,520
the option to read it, I just
never did.

1014
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,360
And then I I learned they were
making a movie and then the

1015
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,040
movie came out and all I heard
was not only is it not as good

1016
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,160
as the book, it's just not that
good.

1017
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,840
And so I just never bothered to
watch the movie.

1018
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,800
Yeah, see, that's disappointing.
It's a it's a fun little romp of

1019
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,600
a movie.
Zooey Deschanel.

1020
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,080
Martin Freeman.
Maybe I'll check it out, Brett,

1021
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,600
I am going to go with Galaxy
Quest as my Let's make, Yeah.

1022
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,640
You are.
I actually had a lot of trouble

1023
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,400
trying to figure out a movie off
the top of my head that would

1024
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,680
kind of match the tone of this.
And I thought I said Galaxy.

1025
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,520
Quest.
And you said let's do that.

1026
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,640
No, it's funny, I I I was going
to go with Independence Day

1027
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,120
because I do think that's like a
solid pairing with the Will

1028
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,800
Smith connection.
But I employed our friend

1029
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,320
ChatGPT.
I've never done this before, but

1030
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,840
I asked it for 10 movie
pairings, and of these ten, it

1031
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,840
came up with some good ones.
But I think Galaxy Quest is the

1032
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,880
closest thing in terms of the
goofy, almost parody level, and

1033
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,440
I don't think Men in Black quite
gets to that.

1034
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,160
Like, it's not parodying other
old sci-fi movies the way Galaxy

1035
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,160
Quest is.
But if you just wanted to have a

1036
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,800
really fun night of dumb, goofy
laughs involving aliens, you

1037
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,320
could do a lot worse than Galaxy
Quest and Men in Black.

1038
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,800
Yeah, no, that would be a really
fun evening.

1039
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,280
Brad, I feel like I've let you
down the last couple weeks, man.

1040
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,400
Because I think of all the
movies so far this season that

1041
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,840
you hadn't seen, you seemed very
pumped to watch Independence Day

1042
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,880
and Men in Black and it seems
like you're a bit meh on both of

1043
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:01,240
them coming out now.
I did not promise you like Oscar

1044
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:05,280
winning films here, so I don't
know where your expectations

1045
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,120
were set, but but now that
you've seen them both what what

1046
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:08,840
are your thoughts?
I.

1047
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:16,320
I think that culturally I knew
more about Men in Black and I

1048
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,560
think Men in Black fit what my
expectation was.

1049
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,120
My expectations were way higher
for Independence Day.

1050
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Like, I truly was thinking that
it was going to be like a solid

1051
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:33,520
8 1/2, maybe even 9 out of 10
action blockbuster.

1052
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,760
Like I I don't know, like like a
Star Wars level, like just well

1053
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,600
made, great script, great
characters.

1054
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,840
So I was expecting a lot out of
Independence Day Men in Black.

1055
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,440
I was expecting to be like a 7
1/2 out of 10 comedy.

1056
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,040
And I I mean I if I can get into
my final score, I like I'm at a

1057
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,520
7 out of 10 Bob.
I think this is fun.

1058
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,880
It's fine.
There's amusing elements to it.

1059
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,320
I I don't know if it's quite
enough for me to ever come back

1060
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,240
and watch it again.
I'm at a 7 1/2 on this one.

1061
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,200
And it's because, like, we talk
a lot about certain genres of

1062
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,000
movies or types of movies and
how they have a ceiling on them.

1063
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,800
A movie like this has a ceiling
of like, a nine maybe.

1064
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,040
Like, if it was, if it was the
most perfect expression of this

1065
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,800
movie, it would still probably
only be a nine.

1066
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,600
And so, like, when you're
grading on that curve, I'm like,

1067
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:29,160
OK, how close to being the
perfect expression of this movie

1068
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,960
is this?
And it's like 80% of the way

1069
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,440
there.
It's like 80% of a nine, you

1070
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,520
know what I mean?
So I'm like, all right, I can

1071
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,560
give it an 8.
I think I'm at a 7 1/2.

1072
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,560
I think this movie is going to
get a higher score than

1073
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,680
Independence Day did because
Independence Day is one of those

1074
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,880
movies that it's so long that
you truly only do remember the

1075
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,600
good parts.
And then you come back to it and

1076
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,120
you're like, oh, this is kind of
a mess.

1077
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,600
It's a little bit of a mess.
This movie is not a mess.

1078
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,200
It's very tightly constructed.
It's really tightly written.

1079
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,000
Everything seems to logically
flow.

1080
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,360
It's just kind of a fun little
trifle.

1081
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,400
And I think that it it could be
more if it wanted to.

1082
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,680
But as it stands, it's a 7 1/2
out of 10.

1083
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,200
But at the end of the day, what
we say doesn't matter.

1084
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,800
Ain't that right, Bob?
Speak for yourself.

1085
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,160
Most the the most important
thing we need to know is what do

1086
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,920
you think about Men in Black.
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1087
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,240
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1088
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,760
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1089
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,080
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1090
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,840
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1091
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,760
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1092
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,520
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1093
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,400
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1094
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,360
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1095
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,680
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We try to give updates on every

1096
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,400
episode as they come out.
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1097
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,200
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1098
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:59,280
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1099
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,160
we hope to see you jump in the
conversation at our Discord as

1100
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,160
well.
Brad, next week we are pivoting

1101
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,200
a little bit, but not too much
because we're still going to be

1102
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,560
in space.
We're drilling holes in an

1103
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:15,080
asteroid to save the Earth.
It's 1998's Armageddon I.

1104
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,080
Film that I have not seen.
I am pumped the most 90s of all

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90s movies and you will
understand why I say that after

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we watch it, Brad.
I'm super excited, Bob.

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It's going to be a 10 out of 10
masterpiece.

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So join us for Armageddon next
week.

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But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And we'll see you next time.