La La Land / Rebel 100 6-Year Bourbon

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In 2016, director Damien
Chazelle and star Emma Stone

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gave the world a brilliant
musical that captured the

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essence of love and dreams.
In 2024, we dream about one of

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our favorite bourbon brands.
The film is La La Land.

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The whiskey is Rebel 106 year
bourbon and we'll.

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Review them both.
This is the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And this week we are looking at

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Damien Chazelle's 2016
masterpiece.

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Oh, that's that's a bold, bold
move, Cotton.

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I'm going to go ahead and say
no, but it is Damien Chazelle's

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film La La Land.
Oh Bob, this is 100% of

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masterpiece.
Can you have more than one

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masterpiece?
Yes.

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I think some people operate
under the assumption that you

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have to choose one.
I've always said no.

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I mean, you look at guys like
Spielberg or Scorsese, like

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there's the Mount Rushmore is
better than anybody else's.

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Best movie ever.
You know what I mean?

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Yeah.
Yeah, that's a So you're saying

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yes, you can have more than one
masterpiece?

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I think you can.
OK, yeah, I was going to say

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there's no chance that you can
look at even, you know, a few

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seasons ago we did little
director miniseries at like, I

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can't have watched a bunch of
movies by one director and just

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say, Nope, you're only allowed
to pick one.

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Yeah, for sure.
And I think with Chazelle, you

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know, he's made 4 theatrical
films now.

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He did, he did have a film
before Whiplash that we've never

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talked about, but it was kind of
like his student film.

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So you've got Whiplash, La La
Land, First Man, and then

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Babylon.
And I think that they're, you

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know, Babylon and 1st Man
definitely have a following, but

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the two that we're doing this
season, Brad Whiplash and La La

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Land are definitely his biggest
2 films and I think both

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deserving of the title
masterpiece.

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Are you trying to say that
Chazelle Bros aren't quite as

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vocal as Nolan Bros?
Not quite.

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Wouldn't it be funny, though, if
people turned out in droves for

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a La La Land the way they did
for Oppenheimer?

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Dude, that would be a beautiful
thing.

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Well, let's talk a little bit
about this movie.

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This is one of the few films
that Brad has seen prior to

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coming into the podcast.
And I also happen to know it is

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one of Brad's favorite movies.
Brad is a huge fan of La La

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Land.
And so I'm excited to pick your

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brain today, Brad, because I
think that it has become kind of

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fashionable in the, you know,
bitchy, cynical world of film

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Twitter to dump on La La land.
In retrospect, I think a lot of

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people have been trying to find
hot takes about this movie for

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the last 7-8 years.
I don't buy into most of them.

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I think this is a pretty
fantastic movie.

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But I'm curious what puts it
over the edge into being like a,

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you know, I don't know if you're
going to give it a 10 out of 10,

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but for the sake of argument, a
10 out of 10 classic movie for

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you.
I think La La Land captures the

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essence of what it means to be a
human in a lot of ways.

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Like, there's this beautiful
ability that Chazelle shows in

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this film to delve into the
realm of human desire and love

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and how two people, two flawed,
imperfect people can push each

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other to become better and
better and better and achieve

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their dreams.
And in the midst of all that,

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there's still this longing, this
desire of like, well, what if I

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had stayed with this person?
I, I just, I think it taps into

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humanity at its core.
And, and, and there's just so

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much beauty about that.
Like, at the end of the day, all

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of us live with dreams.
And the, the final sequence of

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this film, which you know,
spoilers if you have not seen

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this film, go watch it.
It is well worth watching before

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you listen to this episode.
But at the end of the film, they

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go through this extended
sequence of a what if?

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Like what if we hadn't been so
negative with each other and

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broken each other's hearts and
moved away from each other.

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You know, what is the child we
might have had together?

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What is the life we could have
lived together?

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And I think that that is a
testament to the power of human

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choice and how that reality that
you get at the end of the film

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could have happened if they had
chosen differently throughout

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their life.
And so I just, I love that

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element of free will and destiny
kind of colliding in this movie.

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Yeah, and we're going to get
into talking about all this, but

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Chazelle seems to have a running
theme, especially in these first

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few films, about the choices we
make, the dreams that we choose

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to invest in, and the cost
investing in those dreams.

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Whiplash definitely had that.
This movie does as well.

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Whiplash is about that.
I know, right?

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Isn't that crazy?
Who?

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Who knew?
All right, man.

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I think that we're in a good
spot to get to our first segment

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of the day, which we call Brad
explains Brad's going to.

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Give us the movie plots with
only 60 seconds sticking on the

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clock.
So let's go ahead and do your

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take with this little segment
that we call, Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the film that he has
just seen, often for the first

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time.
Obviously not Brad's first time

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with La La Land, but what's the
La La Meter at Brad?

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How many times have we seen it?
I want to say this is my fifth

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time watching La La Land.
Maybe fourth.

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Wow.
Yeah, that might be a record,

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dude.
And not only have I seen it that

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many times, I like this is a
movie I saw in theaters, which

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is a rarity in and of itself.
I probably watched it with some

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friends.
A year or two later, I watched

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on the plane because I wanted to
watch something good.

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And now I've watched it again.
So yeah, 4 I believe I'm at 4

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times.
All right, well, then you should

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be able to summarize this movie
pretty easily, Brad.

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You get 60 seconds to breakdown
the movie's plot, including full

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spoilers.
Let's go La La Land.

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I will say when I was on the
plane watching it, I was like

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sitting there like Bob book
esque like weeping in my seat

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trying to keep it in.
You know what?

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That's the thing that I like.
I want to hone in on what makes

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you cry about this movie?
I think like it's it definitely

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has like some grieving regret
elements to it at the end of the

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film.
I'm shocked to hear that you cry

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at this movie.
Oh 100% dude, we will get into

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that.
Yeah, let's, let's do, Brett

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explains. 60 seconds go.
La La Land is a film about two

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young professionals in Los
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I was going to say, I was going
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Angeles, one of whom is Mia, who
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which means that she works at a
coffee shop and does a billion

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auditions.
And the other is Sebastian, a

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young man who wants to be a
serious professional jazz

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musician who holds on to a
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jazz.
Both of them have their goals

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and dreams, and as their worlds
collide, they fall in love, push

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each other to be the best that
they can be, and everything

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falls apart between them, even
as things come together on their

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professional lives.
Boom, La La land, baby Brad.

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I think I'd like to frame our
conversation thusly today.

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I am very high on this movie.
I'm going to give this movie a

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very high score, but I'm pretty
sure I'm going to come out just

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slightly below where you're at
on this movie.

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So I want to first of all extend
the olive branch to tell you

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that no matter what gets said
here today, Brad, I'm going to

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give this movie a very high
score.

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But I think it's one of those
films that I am on the cusp of

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loving.
And it's that that fine balance

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between, damn, this is really
good and I really appreciate the

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movie, but it doesn't have like
all of my heart.

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And I think if it did these few
things just a tiny bit better

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that I would be in love with
this movie The way you're in

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love with this movie.
Is that fair to say?

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100% I understand that your
heart still has some dead

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patches, still places that
Christ needs to regenerate it.

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It makes sense.
I mean, we are arriving at the

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time of year where we have our
annual reminder that I like the

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Grinch and so my heart may not
have grown 3 full sizes yet to

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receive this movie into it, but
we'll get there, man.

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So I think what I'd like to say
on my cold, callous heart front

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is let's kind of breakdown what
the movie's trying to do,

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because to the film's credit,
it's trying to do a lot.

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There are many homages and
references.

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It's also trying to be many
types of one film at one time.

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And I think that Chazelle pulls
it off almost in spite of the

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ambition of the movie, but that
ambition needs to be kind of

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discussed.
And so let's let's start diving

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into all of the things
Chazelle's trying to accomplish

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with this movie.
And I think we just start with

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the title of the film, La La
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At its core, this movie is about
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But he wanted to capture his
love for Los Angeles.

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I was reading a one of those
stupid listicles of like all the

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things that Damien Chazelle was
influenced by when he was making

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La La Land.
And one of them was this movie

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from the early 90s.
Does every like listicle article

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in your mind voiced by like like
a 2020 murder mystery narrator?

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No, it's voiced by like the
worst guest you've ever heard on

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Joe Rogan.
That's like that tone.

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It's like, maybe you've never
heard of this, but it's like one

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of those things and one of the
the influences was this early

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90s movie called Falling Down.
It's a Michael Douglas movie

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about a guy who just absolutely
snaps and then just goes on a

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like a shooting spree across Los
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I thought it was like a comedy
from like the 20s about a.

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Guy like an old heralding
Charlie Chaplin.

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Yeah, he's.
Just tripping over and over.

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Well, Chazelle said that when he
was growing up in New Jersey, he

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watched this film and it
convinced him that Hollywood and

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LA in general is a hellhole and
that it's the scary place that

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you should never go.
And he said, once I arrived

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here, I fell in love with the
city and found out that it was

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nothing like that movie.
And I think that that's a good

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way of kind of framing the LA of
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Brad, you and I, I mean, I have
for sure never been to Los

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Angeles.
Have you ever set foot in LA?

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No, I have been to San Francisco
and that is that is the closest

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I've been.
Well, it's closer to me, but

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still far away from Los Angeles.
It's still like a six or seven

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hour drive.
You might as well be in a

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different state dude.
But I, I love movies that are

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like about a place.
And you can tell, you know, when

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you're watching a film that's
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they're trying to give you a
sense of what it's like to live

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in New York or Los Angeles or
Chicago, any of these big

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cities.
And I think that I'd like to

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hear your thoughts on what does
Chazelle capture about LA that

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you think he was trying to get
across?

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But kind of more broadly, is
this a good LA movie to you?

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Once again, as somebody who's
never been to Lai would imagine

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that this is very much So what
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All of the horror stories that
you hear from this town revolve

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around people going there, and
it's the place where your dreams

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shine brightest and fall the
furthest.

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Like when Mia is going to
audition after audition after

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audition, and you know, these
people are barely paying any

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attention to her.
They're answering phone calls as

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she's, like, crying on camera,
which is something that was

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inspired by Ryan Gosling and
something that happened during

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one of his auditions.
It feels like LA is this bright,

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beautiful, gorgeous dance of a
city that you know, in the same

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way that the movie starts, it's
all of these dreamers who are

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dancing on the streets and would
only put up with the traffic

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because they know that they're
going to be the one who makes

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it.
And yet not many of them do, and

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most of them face
extraordinarily difficult times

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before they ever succeed in
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And so it it seems to me like
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the Hollywood area of LA, is
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emotion of the city and what's,
what's the phrase like the the

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stakes involved in everybody
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It's all these dreamers who have
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that is inside of them that has
driven them away from their

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hometowns and they're going out
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I think I'm wondering more of
like, I, I still don't really

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know if I get a good sense of
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because it's a highly
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You only really see a few
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I do think they let Chazelle
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you playing along or like
playfully poking fun at the

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stuff that sucks about LA, like
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You know, there's a scene where
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and they go around the corner
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scream like it's a one way and
then you watch them back up

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across the screen.
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Like, talk about a great like
physical sight comedy.

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Like what a great shot.
So in addition to it being a

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movie about LA and his deep,
deep love for LA, it's also a

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musical, a out and out musical
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it.
And I think there's a couple

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ways to approach that part of
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Brad 1 is like, how does this
work as a musical?

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How does it compare to musicals
of the past?

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But I'd like to start with the
songs themselves, because I

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think top to bottom, this is one
of the best movie musicals

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that's come out in a long time,
featuring holy original stuff.

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Dude the songs in this movie are
freaking bangers.

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Like I am watching John Legend
just tear it up on stage to one

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of the catchiest songs like
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Like the song that he's saying.
Oh, it's so good.

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It it gets stuck in my head
every time I watch this movie.

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I'm like humming it for weeks on
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The song of days that John
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And so folks at this part of the
movie, Ryan Gosling has kind of

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accepted a job touring with the
band of a guy he went to

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Conservatory with or whatever.
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style of music that, you know,
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to play.
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actually so good that it's kind
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movie and kind of for Ryan
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too, because, you know, he's so
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he hates playing that music.
And it's like, bro, I'm sorry.

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But if, if we as an audience are
supposed to be on your side

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here, then you should have made
that song worse because I am

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fully on board for whatever
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I think that's like the, I think
that's the key point about his

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character though, is that he is
unwilling to move on.

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He's unwilling to dive into what
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And so like, I think that's kind
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If anything, it's watching Mia
respond to how much Seb is

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enjoying himself playing the
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Like that part that felt a
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it's like that was one of the
very few points of the film that

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every time I watch it it, it
causes me to struggle that she

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is not allowing him to evolve to
change as a person.

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Like, like this is diving into
character study, which we

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weren't doing, but.
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it is kind of getting us off
schedule a little bit.

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But it's also that scene is one
of the key scenes in the movie.

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But I think it's because you can
read it like 5 different ways.

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Like I actually was was going
through the IMDb synopsis of the

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film and the way they describe
it in there was like, Mia goes

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to see the concert and can tell
that Seb is not enjoying playing

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this music and she's horrified
for him.

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And it's like, that's not
actually how Emma Stone plays it

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in the scene or how Ryan Gosling
plays it.

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Like, he might hate this kind of
music, but he looks like he's

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making the best of it.
And she looks horrified.

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And I think it's left up to
interpretation what she's

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horrified about.
Is it that she sees that his

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future will be playing music
that he hates?

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Is it more kind of the cynical
reading, what you're getting at,

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like, and what Ryan Gosling
accuses her of in the next

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scene, which is you only liked
me when I was failing, and now

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that I'm successful, you don't
like me anymore?

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I do think there's a number of
ways to read that scene, and it

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reflects poorly on either or of
the two main characters,

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depending on how you read it.
Yeah, I mean, I, I think

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throughout the movie, Sebastian
continually pushes Mia to change

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and grow and be better.
And as he is trying to do that,

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she is pushing against him
changing.

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The the reason I would lean
actually towards the first

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reading that you said where Mia
like recognizes his hatred of

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the new music as he's playing it
is the fact that dude, the scene

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where they get in the argument
as they're having the dinner

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that he made for her.
I think it's up there with

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Marriage Story is like one of
the best arguments I've ever

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seen a couple have on screen
because Ryan Gosling, Literally

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the entire time he is arguing
with her, his eyes are down

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down, down.
He won't make eye contact with

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her unless he is accusing her of
something.

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It's like he raises his eyes for
a challenge and then every other

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moment he's like stuttering and
stumbling over himself to try to

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defend where he's at and his
eyes stay down the entire time.

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I think it's one of the best
bits of acting in the entire

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film.
Yeah, And I think that scene

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almost feels improvised because
it mimics a real life argument

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so well.
I think it's really brilliantly

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scripted.
But the way they both play that

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scene is like, man, I wonder if
they were like ad libbing a

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little bit during the filming of
it.

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I I really can't tell.
I think it's the best acted

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scene in the whole movie.
And it also kind of wears the

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influences on its sleeve, right?
I mean, she comes into his

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apartment, and outside the
apartment window is this green

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neon light coming in.
And Brad, if we've watched a

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movie many times for this
podcast that features a man

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watching a woman walk through
the door surrounded by green

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neon light like this is a clear
homage to the hotel room scene

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in Vertigo.
Let's go dude, I didn't even

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realize that.
Oh, I thought that was like the

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most obvious reference of the.
Movie.

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As soon as you said green neon
light, I'm like, he's right.

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It's Vertigo.
Now see, this is, I think one of

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those areas where Chazelle is
such a great student of classic

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Hollywood and he's trying to
evoke something here.

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But in the movie Vertigo, the
colors red and green are so like

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tied to specific emotions.
Green being like memory, red

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being longing.
And I think in this movie, he

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goes kind of overboard on that
too, because right after that,

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you have the scene of Mia about
to walk on stage on her one

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woman show.
And she is like shrouded in red

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neon light in that moment.
And it's pretty clear.

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That Chazelle is trying to
visually recall Vertigo, but I

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can't tell what those colors are
supposed to represent in this

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movie.
Like, it feels like a nice

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little nod to Vertigo, but it
doesn't feel as purposeful.

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And I think that kind of
underlines my overall opinion of

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the movie, which is like, this
is a expertly made film and I

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can see his heart and his
passion behind it, but I can't

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always tell exactly what the
purpose of those homages are.

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It's like, besides just saying,
hey, I saw this movie, You know

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what I mean?
Sure.

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I for me, I don't know.
I mean, it's hard for me because

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I didn't necessarily see that as
an homage at first.

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I think that the thing I loved
about the lighting and coloring

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of the movie is that the entire
first half, 2/3 of the movie are

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these wildly bright and
brilliant and colorful scenes.

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Where like, think about when Mia
is in her apartment.

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Like every single one of her
roommates is wearing things that

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nobody wears around their
apartment like that.

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Like they're all wearing these
bright, bombastic colors.

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And the entire movie is shot in
that way.

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But as they descend into the
depths of their dark night of

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the soul, the the shadow on
their career, they the lighting

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of the movie becomes a lot more
Moody.

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And I think neon is a really
good illustration of that.

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Like when I think about neon
lights, I think about things

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like Vertigo.
I think about things like like

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1980s dystopian sci-fi, like
like Harrison Ford dystopian

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movies.
And so you find yourself in this

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darker, Moody place.
And so the the bright red light,

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the bright green neon light
didn't necessarily make me think

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homage.
It made me think like, we're

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getting into these really
jarring places where the

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characters are in so much
darkness they don't know what's

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the right choice to make.
Yeah, I think, and I think

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that's a perfect segue into
talking about this movie.

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Compared to kind of your classic
Hollywood musical where

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everything was filmed on a
soundstage.

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The lighting is always
impeccable.

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Think about a movie like
American in Paris, which this

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pays direct homage to.
The lighting in that movie is

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very clearly like really even
done by light bulbs, not done by

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natural sources for the most
part.

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And I think this movie, it
caught me off guard once again

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from the very beginning.
You got that opening number,

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Another Day of Sun, where they
legitimately closed down an exit

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ramp on the freeway for two days
to make this number.

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They filmed it on location in
the blaring sun of LA, and it's

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really cool that they did that.
But the sun is so bright and

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such harsh lighting for a film
that a lot of times the people's

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faces in that scene are like
blown out by the sun on one side

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of their face.
And then there's like too much

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darkness on the other side of
their face and you can't really

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see their faces.
And then I love that.

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I like I think.
And I think that's it's an

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aesthetic choice, right?
And either works for you or it

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doesn't.
But the whole movie is kind of

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like that where I would just
describe the lighting in most of

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this movie as harsh.
And I don't necessarily mean

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it's like a spotlight being
shined on you by the

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interrogator, like, where were
you the night of?

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But it's always like, kind of
unforgiving light.

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It shows like, you know, the
oiliness of someone's skin or

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you can see their pores.
It's not lit in a classic

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Hollywood way.
And I think that's what's really

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interesting.
And you can tell Chazelle's

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doing it on purpose, but he's
trying to tell a classical

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Hollywood story in in terms of
the theme of the movie, but to

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visually represent it in the
most realistic way possible.

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And it's such an interesting
mash up of ideas.

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I think it, I think that's what
works so well for me about the

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movie is that human beings are
simultaneously their dreams and

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their reality that the bright
sun on one side represents, you

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know, I mean, that's another day
of sun.

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It's about the dreamers that
want to see these great visions

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of grandeur become reality.
But then there's the dark side

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of that.
There's the difficulties that we

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face.
There is the grease on our skin

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that we desperately want to get
rid of the the pores and the

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like.
All of the rawness of being a

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human is captured in this movie.
And, and so the, for me, the

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lighting choices really
accentuate that reality that

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these are very real people who
also have these bright, huge

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dreams.
And and like you, you asked

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earlier, like what makes me
emotional about this movie, it

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is the tension that Chazelle
holds between those two things.

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That we can dance in the stars
to the most beautiful of music

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and yet still end up in a place
with regrets and doubts and

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insecurities.
Man, what an eloquent way of

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phrasing your love for this
movie.

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I, I really have no rebuttal.
I I do think I just want to say

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like the lighting, the, the look
of the movie is a purposeful

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aesthetic choice and it either
works for you or it doesn't.

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And for me, it was the thing
that took me out of the movie

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The most.
You know, the very famous shot

444
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,240
from the poster of the movie of
them dancing to the song.

445
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,480
I believe it's called a lovely
night.

446
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,800
You can tell on all of the print
materials that came out the

447
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,000
poster that they had to
digitally like brighten up that

448
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,600
scene because in the movie you
can't see their faces hardly at

449
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,640
all because they're they're
lighting it with the street

450
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,800
lamps and obviously some off
camera lights.

451
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,960
But it's intended to look like a
parking lot at night time in in

452
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,320
the real world.
And they're just parts of me

453
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,320
that are like, dude, you can
still like this in a way that's

454
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,600
like movie magic.
And we'll all still think that

455
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,520
it's a parking lot.
It doesn't have to look fake to

456
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,320
look presentable.
And for me, sometimes the movie

457
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,560
doesn't look presentable.
It looks like, did you not have

458
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,880
the budget for the lights to so
I could just like see their

459
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,600
faces while they're dancing.
Do you know what I mean?

460
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,120
Yeah, did did the scenes that
were very not farcical, but like

461
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,920
the the fantasy sequence.
The fantasy sequences, did those

462
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,600
work better for you?
They're truly like just shadow

463
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,680
silhouettes dancing across the
sky.

464
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,560
That and then you know, the the
extended fantasy sequence at the

465
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,520
end of the film where they're
just ripping off American in

466
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,960
Paris.
They're doing that on a sound

467
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,200
stage.
The lighting is freaking

468
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,600
beautiful.
That and and I don't need

469
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,000
everything to look like it was
done on a sound stage, but I've

470
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,360
always remembered this one
quote.

471
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,200
There's a cinematographer named
Conrad Hall and he's the guy

472
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,960
that filmed American Beauty and
wrote to Perdition, very famous

473
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,080
cinematographer.
And one of the Godfather movies

474
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,920
that was shot by Gordon Willis
did not get nominated for best

475
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,600
cinematography, which is crazy
because like the Godfather

476
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,000
movies look incredible.
But Gordon Willis, his nickname

477
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240
was the master of darkness
because he always put people's

478
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,680
faces in shadow.
And you know, when you watch the

479
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,160
Godfather films, especially the
second one, it's very purposely

480
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,120
done so that you, you kind of
can't see people's faces in

481
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,840
these dimly lit interiors
sometimes.

482
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,080
And they asked Conrad Hall, who
was like the head of the

483
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,520
cinematography wing of the
Academy at the time, why didn't

484
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,320
you guys nominate the Godfather?
And he, he said, it's all about

485
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,920
the eyes.
You have to have eye lights off

486
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,440
screen so that we can see the
twinkle in their eyes.

487
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,000
And it's, it's a controversial
decision that was made 50 years

488
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,120
ago, but I think it applies kind
of to movies like this.

489
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,200
You can choose dramatic
lighting, but you still have to

490
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,520
kind of demonstrate that you
know the rules in in order to

491
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,440
break them.
And I think sometimes this movie

492
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,760
looks like, frankly, I just
like, I think the lighting kind

493
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,360
of looks amateurish sometimes,
Brad.

494
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:27,240
No, I, I think that's fair.
I, I think that the, there are

495
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,720
scenes where they're dancing,
specifically the lovely night

496
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,720
that you're talking about that
remind me of something like the

497
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,800
scene in White Christmas where
the two guys go to see the two

498
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,360
girls at the club and then Danny
Kaye ends up dancing, you know,

499
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,360
up the, the pier and back.
And, you know, I'm talking about

500
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600
for some reason, those two
scenes remind me of each other.

501
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,360
And you're right, like in White
Christmas, you can absolutely

502
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,440
see their faces, their emotions,
what's going on.

503
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,720
The cameras also a little bit
closer to them, like I feel like

504
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:08,800
he has a more detached camera in
La La Land, whereas, you know,

505
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,960
classical classic Hollywood
musicals.

506
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:18,360
The cameras a little bit closer
and more flat to the actors

507
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,280
rather than like up and at an
angle.

508
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,120
And that's one of those things
where I know Chazelle's doing it

509
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,360
on purpose because to your point
about the camera in this movie,

510
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,840
he is in love with his wonders
in this movie.

511
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,560
There are so many really, really
long takes.

512
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,200
And that lovely night sequence,
once they start dancing, I

513
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,280
believe is 1 extended shot and
the camera will pull way far

514
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,680
back.
And then it'll kind of just be a

515
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,360
two shot and then, you know,
when they finally kiss, it

516
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,760
pushes all the way in on their
faces.

517
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,400
And it's really brilliant use of
the camera.

518
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,680
And so I know that if this guy
has these camera shots

519
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,960
choreographed so perfectly, then
obviously his decision to light

520
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,480
the movie like this is a is a
purposeful decision.

521
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,200
But that's kind of what puts me
in this frustrated place

522
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,520
sometimes with this film, 'cause
it's like I agree with 9 out of

523
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,560
10 choices you make, but the one
that you that I don't agree with

524
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280
is like, why would you like this
movie like that?

525
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,320
It's a it's a burn your saddle,
isn't it, Bob?

526
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,000
Well, hey, man, we've got a lot
to talk about.

527
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,120
We really haven't talked about
Emma Stone or Ryan Gosling, but

528
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,240
I think we're in a good place on
what this movie means to you,

529
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,640
what my small gripes with it
are.

530
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,120
And we can kind of come back and
revisit how these two leads

531
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,280
really take over this movie.
But we'll be.

532
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,440
Completely forgotten about the
star of this film, JK Simmons.

533
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,760
Oh.
Man, listen, those those couple

534
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,440
snaps he does at the end of the
film.

535
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,800
All right, man, let's drink some
whiskey.

536
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,840
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

537
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,600
All right, so today we are
checking out Rebel 106 Year

538
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,120
Bourbon Whiskey.
Now, Brad, as you know, the

539
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,080
Rebel brand is near and dear to
our hearts.

540
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,520
The Rebel, the Rebel lineup,
we've pretty much liked

541
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,600
everything in the Rebel lineup,
some less than others, but I

542
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,920
don't think I would just say no
to any of them.

543
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,880
No, I would absolutely drink
anything they put in front of

544
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,800
me.
We especially like the words

545
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,000
back-to-back.
Rebel 100.

546
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,360
That like that, is an especially
beautiful phrase in my heart.

547
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
A couple weeks ago we looked at
the Rebel Small Batch Reserve.

548
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:31,560
So today we're moving into one
of their newer expressions which

549
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,120
is this Rebel 106 year.
Now I believe the Rebel 100 is a

550
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,360
non age stated product, so we
know that it is at least four

551
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,240
years old, but it's a blend of
stuff and this one is an age

552
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,080
stated product.
So I appreciate that Luxe Row is

553
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,640
not doing away with the $20
bottle of Rebel 100 that we love

554
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,760
so much, but offering kind of
an, you know, a more elegant

555
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,680
version of it.
Yeah, it is always fun to see

556
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,000
what happens to some of your
favorite whiskeys when they stay

557
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,160
in a barrel for a longer period
of time.

558
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Like, you know, we've we've
talked a lot about like dreams

559
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,640
and love and and human
decisions.

560
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,880
Like, there is something magical
about whiskey, Bob, that like,

561
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,480
but we've talked to enough
master distillers at this point

562
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,000
to know that you can be as
scientific as you want with

563
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,600
whiskey if you are not MGP.
Like there's a magic to what

564
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:35,160
goes on here that you just can't
capture time and time again.

565
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,280
And so, yeah, like leaving it in
the barrel for a few years

566
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,040
longer.
I think it's going to be really

567
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,720
curious to see what has happened
to one of our favorite budget

568
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,360
whiskies.
Now, Brad and I first tried

569
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,840
Rebel 106 Year when we were at
the Kentucky Bourbon Festival

570
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,400
way back in September.
We visited the Luxe Row

571
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,240
Distillery.
They had a little tasting bar

572
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,240
there, and that's where we tried
the Small Batch Reserve and the

573
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Rebel 106 Year.
So I already have my scores

574
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,720
written down.
Brad, it's fun to revisit this

575
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,600
one, but let's go ahead and jump
into our nosing notes.

576
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
On the nose, I got a lot of
cherry.

577
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,520
I, I mean, this is just a
beautiful bomb of cherry.

578
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,280
There's like a, a caramel
drizzle going on here, a little

579
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,440
bit of a cheesecake feel and it
definitely dove into an almond

580
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,720
territory that I enjoyed quite a
bit.

581
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,800
I give it an 8 out of 10.
Yeah, I'm also at an 8 out of

582
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,840
10.
You know, it has classic egg,

583
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,400
classic Rebel notes, but just
classic weeded bourbon notes.

584
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,040
Cherry is all over the place on
this.

585
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,040
It's a little bit dustier than
the regular Rebel 100 and I

586
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,720
think that has a lot to do with
the extra age in the oak.

587
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,760
And then chocolate.
I I don't usually get dark

588
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,280
chocolate on Rebel products, but
this was kind of like eating a

589
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,440
cherry cordial.
I really, really loved it.

590
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,600
I gave it an 8 out of 10.
The balance on this palate is so

591
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,160
nice.
Like there is the cherry that's

592
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,200
not overwhelming, there's
caramel, there's vanilla.

593
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,800
It gets really almost into like
a white vanilla cake consistency

594
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,239
for me.
And there's this really nice

595
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,679
rich cream cheese frosting.
I think that this is a banger,

596
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,040
Bob.
Like I'm at a nine out of 10 on

597
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,679
the pallet.
I'm at an 8.5, but I agree with

598
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,400
you man.
There's there's a lot of spice

599
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,920
here, not just alcohol burn and
there's a little bit of ethanol

600
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,560
here, but it's, it just tastes
almost like like when you first

601
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,560
flip the switch into fall and
you start eating like spice cake

602
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,400
or pumpkin roll or anything like
that.

603
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,480
And just everything has more
cinnamon, nutmeg, clove to it.

604
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,719
There's some of that here.
It's definitely oak heavy.

605
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,639
It might be the most oaky rebel
product we've tried, but it's

606
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,560
really balanced with this kind
of sweet Luxardo cherry note on

607
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,320
the back of the pallet and it's
underlying everything.

608
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,000
It never tips into like a
Robitussin flavor, which

609
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,800
sometimes we get when it's too
oaky and has that cherry note to

610
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,120
it.
It gets kind of medicinal.

611
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,600
This does not have that at all.
Really beautiful.

612
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,280
I gave it an 8.5 and then on the
finish I I took really brief

613
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,880
notes on this man.
I just said waves of flavor, a

614
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,960
bit ethanol heavy, but the oak
and cherry linger.

615
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,480
I think the thing that I want to
give this credit for is its

616
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,800
consistency across the board.
Like not the most complex

617
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,400
whiskey we've ever had, but
every note you get is consistent

618
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,120
throughout.
So I'm going to give the finish

619
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,960
an 8 out of 10 as well.
You you said that you start

620
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,120
eating spice cake and fall.
I just imagine like you see a

621
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,240
leaf that's like barely turning
yellow and you reach into your

622
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,640
you unzip your cargo shorts and
like Napoleon reaching for some

623
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,760
tots, you just pull some like
smashed spice cake out.

624
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,920
You're like frosting.
It's between my.

625
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,760
I think the finish, for me, it
falls off a little bit.

626
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,880
It turns into almost a cherry
syrup kind of taste.

627
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,040
It gets very oaky for me at the
end of this.

628
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,680
The vanilla kind of gets lost in
the shuffle, but it's still a

629
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,440
very good finish, just not quite
the heights that we hit on the

630
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960
pallet.
I'm at a 7 1/2 on the finish.

631
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,280
I do think I'm at an 8 out of 10
on the balance.

632
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,800
Like there is everything you
want out of a rubble product,

633
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,200
plus a little bit of that dusty
oakiness.

634
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,680
And you can't go wrong here, Bob
and.

635
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,560
That's why I gave the, that's
why I gave this a nine on

636
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,280
balance.
Now I do think that balance kind

637
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,880
of like value can be a little
skewed by the type of product

638
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,320
you're trying.
Like, again, this is not the

639
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,320
most complex thing we've ever
tried and it's a relatively

640
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,680
inexpensive whiskey compared to
a lot of stuff we've been

641
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,840
drinking this season, Brad.
But for what it is, it's

642
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,320
incredibly consistent and I want
to reward that by giving it a

643
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,600
nine here on balance.
Now, when it comes to the price,

644
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,680
it's kind of all over the place
from what I'm seeing online.

645
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,480
I see it for $65, I see it for
$49.00.

646
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,600
I don't know if you have an
MSRP, Brad, but if you don't, I

647
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,920
was going to say like 55 seems
to be a pretty nice middle

648
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,280
ground for this.
I think I looked at the

649
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,760
distillery and it was $60.
OK.

650
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,640
All right.
Well, I mean, I'm seeing it for

651
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,200
as as little as 50, but we can
set it at 60 if you'd like.

652
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,800
Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't
care in that 50 to $60.00 range.

653
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,320
I mean, you know, $10 is a big
difference.

654
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Not, you know, going to break
the bank.

655
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:40,920
I think if you put it in that 50
to $60.00 range, this is a 7 out

656
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,920
of 10 value like this.
Oh Bob, this is right on the

657
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,920
edge of being a remarkable
whiskey it it's not quite there

658
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:55,680
at $60.00.
Actually, if this was like 4548

659
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,040
dollars, I think that this would
be like a nine out of 10 value.

660
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,040
I mean, Rebel Distillers
Collection is my favorite

661
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,240
whiskey and that I think it's
gone up in price a little bit.

662
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:09,840
But as recently as like two
years ago, if you could find it

663
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,840
'cause it is kind of allocated,
it was $35.00.

664
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,440
So this is significantly more
expensive than that and it's

665
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,960
nowhere near as good as that one
is.

666
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,920
I think just kind of given the
market, yeah, I'm at a 7 out of

667
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,360
10.
This is we've always kind of

668
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080
talked about or I know we
haven't always, we talk about

669
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:31,280
how you have that like $10 per
year pricing structure and this

670
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,000
is about that.
However, I think there's other

671
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,160
things at this price point, like
if you told me, hey, you could

672
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,080
have this Rebel 10 or Rebel 106
year or Wild Turkey rare breed

673
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,280
like that's that's kind of a no
brainer for me.

674
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,280
So it's it's just a 7 out of 10
for me, but that's still enough

675
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,640
to bump this over the 40 mark
for me.

676
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,960
I'm at a 40.5 Brad.
I am exactly 1 point behind you

677
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Bob.
I'm at a 39.5 out of 50.

678
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,120
All right, so we are averaging
out to a 40 out of 50.

679
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,920
This is hitting that sort of
excellent mark where not only do

680
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,440
we recommend it, but it becomes
kind of a no brainer for us to

681
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,600
recommend.
Yeah, I, like I said before,

682
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,560
this is like on the edge of
being a spectacular whiskey for

683
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,400
me.
I think that at $60.00, it's a

684
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,680
really fun, flavorful
representation of one of our

685
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,560
favorite brands.
I just, I wish it was like 45 to

686
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,320
50.
Yeah, same, same.

687
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,720
All right, man.
So I think the undisputed king

688
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,360
of Rebel, the Rebel line is
still that distillers

689
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,080
collection.
We also definitely liked Rebel

690
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,040
Cask Strength, but man I like
nothing's approaching that

691
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,360
distillers collection for me.
Unless you're talking straight

692
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,520
value and then Rebel 100 takes
the cake.

693
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,840
I dude I've had so many
conversations with people

694
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,240
recently like I don't know why
but I've had so many people ask

695
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:55,720
me what's like your best budget
bourbon to buy and I have been

696
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,600
name dropping rebel 100 like
it's freaking hot.

697
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,360
I swear to God, rebel you, you
got to just start sponsoring

698
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,040
this podcast.
This is ridiculous at this

699
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,120
point.
You guys all right, man, let's

700
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,720
get back into talking about La
La Land.

701
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,880
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

702
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,560
All right everybody.
That was Rebel 106 year.

703
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,280
A really great expression of
whiskey that I just wish cost a

704
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,200
little bit less.
Yeah, me too.

705
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,600
That's OK, you know.
You know, it doesn't cost you

706
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,560
anything at all, Bob.
Freaking winning this week's

707
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:40,080
game. 2 facts and a falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

708
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,360
you.
Ball 2 are right and what is

709
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,240
wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

710
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,880
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

711
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,880
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

712
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,880
which is a complete lie and I
have to figure out which one

713
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,280
that is Brad I am sitting at
what?

714
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,440
12345. 6:00 and 2:00 on the
season so far.

715
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,160
You're knocking it out of the
park, man.

716
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,520
I'm.
Doing all right, I did very

717
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,320
little research on La La Land
aside from reading that one

718
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,200
listicle.
So unless it was, unless all of

719
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,960
these are influences on
Chazelle, then I you might get

720
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,840
me today, man.
Yeah, I am very excited for this

721
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,160
specific set of two facts and a
falsehood.

722
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,680
All right, let's hear him.
Fact #1 director and

723
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,880
scriptwriter Damien Chazelle
said that he originally included

724
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,920
a subplot in Blue involving
Sebastian having his teeth

725
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,080
knocked out by some people he
owed money to, similar to jazz

726
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,040
legend Chet Baker.
While it didn't make it into the

727
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,000
final cut, he did keep an
element of the idea, with

728
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,200
Sebastian biting his lip and
showing his front teeth during

729
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,960
his band's photo shoot.
Yikes.

730
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:56,160
Fact #2 executive music producer
Marius Devries says of the song

731
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,240
City of Stars it had many
permutations prior to filming,

732
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,640
from duet female lead, male lead
until it locked into its current

733
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,920
position.
The whistling in the song was

734
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,200
done by Justin Hurwitz as Ryan
Gosling is unable to whistle.

735
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,760
Huh.
Fact #3 Emma Stone performed the

736
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,000
song Audition The Fools Who
Dream Live.

737
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,120
She would decide when to switch
from dialogue to singing.

738
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,200
There was no pre recorded
soundtrack that she was lip

739
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,520
syncing to.
Justin Hurwitz, the song's

740
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,880
composer, was in another room,
playing the piano in her ear.

741
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,360
Well, these are good, Brad.
I don't know.

742
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,280
I'm going to say 3 is true
because you can kind of tell

743
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,960
that she's doing like a live on
set performance.

744
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,560
So that leaves me with one and
two.

745
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040
Now I am immediately drawn to
number one.

746
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,680
I'll explain why.
Earlier today I texted Brad and

747
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,640
said, hey, are you familiar with
Chet Baker?

748
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,160
And Brad said, I have never
heard of that human being before

749
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,920
today.
And Chet Baker, of course, very

750
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,400
famous jazz trumpeter who also
sang occasionally and has a very

751
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,320
unique, like really, really well
regarded voice.

752
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,480
It's this breathy kind of sultry
voice.

753
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,800
He's good for ballads.
And I was like, this had to be

754
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,440
an influence on how Ryan Gosling
was instructed to sing in this

755
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,840
movie.
And that's how I ended up on

756
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,320
that stupid listicle because it
ended up being true.

757
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,880
Ryan Gosling was influenced by
Chet Baker.

758
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,240
However, Brad was not familiar
with Chet Baker.

759
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:32,760
So I'm immediately drawn to #1
as a falsehood, 'cause if you

760
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,560
had done this research, you
would have heard of Chet Baker

761
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,360
before I texted you.
Here's here's a thought for you,

762
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,040
Bob.
What if I made 2 facts and a

763
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,400
falsehood 10 minutes before we
got on and I went to the IMDb

764
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,800
page, clicked control F and
typed in chat Baker?

765
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,040
You might have done that.
Perhaps I should do that right

766
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,840
now just to Fact Check myself.
I don't know, man.

767
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,600
It's either one or two.
I'm gonna go ahead and just put

768
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,240
it on one 'cause I bought.
I, you know, made the effort to

769
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:08,040
tell that super long kind of
anticlimactic story.

770
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,160
So we're going to say #1 is the
falsehood, Brad.

771
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:19,000
Bob, you have locked in the
absolutely 100% correct answers.

772
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,880
You are sitting at 7:00 and
2:00, my friend.

773
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,000
More importantly, I got you to
listen to a small snippet of

774
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,880
Chet Baker.
You did, and I googled him and

775
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,080
he did in fact have his front
teeth knocked out by a drug

776
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,800
dealer.
By a drug dealer.

777
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,200
Yeah, he had a very tragic life,
man, as most jazz musicians tend

778
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,080
to have, apparently.
Yeah.

779
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,880
Not Sebastian man.
He ends up owning his own club

780
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,760
and living the bachelor life.
It's great, man.

781
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,680
Yeah, he he doesn't seem sad at
all at the end of.

782
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,000
No, not, not even in the
slightest.

783
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,600
Let's jump into talking about
the leads of this movie, Emma

784
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,400
Stone and Ryan Gosling.
And since we're on Sebastian

785
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,440
right now, let's talk about Ryan
Gosling.

786
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,240
Now, Emma Stone wins the Oscar
for this movie.

787
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:06,080
Ryan Gosling obviously does not,
and I think upon watching it

788
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,520
this time, that is the correct
choice.

789
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,560
I still don't know if Emma
Stone's performance screams

790
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:17,800
Oscar winner, but Ryan Gosling's
character is definitely hard to

791
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,960
get your arms around.
He's a he's kind of a prickly

792
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,680
guy, but from scene to scene,
he's so damn lovable.

793
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,280
And I think Ryan Gosling is
inspired casting for this

794
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,880
performance because he as an
actor, really toes the line

795
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:34,040
between too cool for school.
Like I'm, I'm too good for this.

796
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,120
And you kind of see it in that
lovely night dance number.

797
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,280
My guy is just super half
hearted in the way he's dancing

798
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,760
in that scene.
But then you have the scene like

799
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,200
where I don't know if it's his
sister is over at his apartment

800
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,440
towards the beginning of the
film and he's going back and

801
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,720
forth with her.
And it's just like this is what

802
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:55,520
Ryan Gosling was made for was to
do this like self deprecating,

803
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,360
improv heavy style of comedy.
And so he's, he's a delight.

804
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,040
I just don't know if it's the
character as written that I

805
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,360
can't quite get my arms around
or if it's how Gosling plays him

806
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,320
from scene to scene.
I think Gosling is spectacular

807
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,880
in this movie.
Bob, I like.

808
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,200
I don't totally disagree with
you.

809
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,280
I think there are some places
where like the Gosling of it all

810
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,440
kind of overwhelms the
character, but that is very few

811
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,480
and far between.
I think that you get to see

812
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,560
somebody who has been burned too
many times for holding a strong

813
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:38,360
opinion, obviously in the world
of jazz and like he's going to

814
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,640
go down with the ship.
And I think that's why you have

815
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,480
such a deep disconnect between
Mia and Sebastian in in the

816
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,880
ultimate fight scene that they
have.

817
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,560
I think that Gosling is
absolutely incredible at playing

818
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,840
the disaffected person who
deeply wants to believe in

819
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,440
something real but is trying to
just get by in life even as he

820
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,000
has these huge dreams.
Yeah, I totally agree.

821
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,760
I think the thing with Gosling
is that because he plays

822
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,040
everything kind of deadpan and
sometimes too cool for school,

823
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,800
his way of expressing emotion is
also that he's really good at

824
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,120
playing a guy who tries to
stifle his emotion.

825
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,680
And so he's like, right at the
very end of the movie, there's a

826
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,480
time jump after Mia and
Sebastian have kind of broken up

827
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,400
and she's gone off and become a
famous actress.

828
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,160
She wanders into his jazz club
with her husband and he sees

829
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,440
her, kind of freezes up, and
then goes over to the piano.

830
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,560
And you watch him decide what to
play.

831
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,520
And Gosling is just absolutely
like statuesque, like he, he

832
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,200
just sits there still, but
there's so much tension in him

833
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,400
without any expression that it
communicates so much.

834
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,120
And I, I really love the dynamic
of both of them together, he and

835
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Emma Stone.
Because where I think Emma Stone

836
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,680
really succeeds in this movie is
when they do close-ups on her

837
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,600
face and she has just the
tiniest little flicker of

838
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,000
emotion or you start to see
those great big eyes of her as

839
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,880
well up with tears.
She plays the minutia of emotion

840
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,840
really, really well.
And he plays the suppression of

841
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,520
emotion really well. 100% and
whenever I love his character

842
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,200
because whenever he has high
emotions regarding Mia, he lets

843
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,880
them out like every single time.
But whenever it's something that

844
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,040
he wants or something that's
really a huge emotion about him,

845
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:44,280
he freezes up, he pushes it
down, and it just feels like a

846
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,560
very raw, honest human being.
And I think that Gosling is

847
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,320
stellar at communicating that.
Now, it sounds like you had some

848
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,680
qualms with the decisions that
Emma Stone's character makes in

849
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,280
this movie, which is funny
because I, I really did have the

850
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,840
opposite read from you on that
one scene we discussed earlier.

851
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,920
But let's talk about her
performance because she does win

852
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,680
the Academy Award.
I think that a lot of her

853
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,600
winning this award was running a
really good campaign.

854
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,560
She's a super likable movie
star.

855
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,040
She's really down to earth in
the way she does interviews.

856
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,920
So she was working the campaign
trail a lot.

857
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,360
But as I watched this movie, I
think if you try to take that

858
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,720
out and just say, like, does
this seem like an Oscar

859
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,800
performance?
It does not because it's not a

860
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,400
big showy role.
She seems like she's Emma Stone

861
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,560
that also sings, but I think
that's kind of sneakily what

862
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,120
makes this performance work so
well.

863
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,480
She feels like a real person
when they're standing in front

864
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,440
of her parents house towards the
end of the movie and they just

865
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,760
leave the camera on her as she
just keeps saying like, maybe

866
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,800
I'm not good enough, maybe I'm
not, maybe I'm not.

867
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,960
And then it she finally kind of
breaks down.

868
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,120
It's like, Oh yeah, like that's
she's got the goods, man.

869
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,760
And she's not overdoing it.
She's not performing in that

870
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,200
sort of classic Hollywood
musical way.

871
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,040
And I think that that's what
makes this truly a great

872
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,360
performance, even if people
can't always see it as a great

873
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,800
performance.
I think that Emma Stone is one

874
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,880
of the best actresses we have
acting nowadays, like, and it's

875
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,360
because of performances like
this, like that.

876
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,160
That scene you just referred to
felt like a goodwill hunting.

877
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,200
It's not your fault.
Like, she finally breaks down

878
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,920
and is honest about what's going
on at the deepest levels of her

879
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,240
heart and that fear of not being
good enough.

880
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Who can't relate to that and who
can't wish that they had

881
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,720
somebody who pushed so deeply
into their life that they could

882
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,800
honestly admit that with the
tears in your eyes, with the

883
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,920
emotion coming through.
I, I think Emma Stone is

884
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,480
incredible in this movie.
I think that her reaction to the

885
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,440
producers or, you know, the
casting agents who finally take

886
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:09,000
her seriously, who are kind
enough to say, hey, like, just

887
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,840
tell us a story whenever you're
ready.

888
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,080
You take your time.
And like, you know, the you're

889
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,000
whenever you're ready has been
said to her before in the

890
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,320
audition, but it is said in such
a biting like you're beneath us

891
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,560
whenever you're ready, Like, and
the way that the casting agent

892
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,120
says it to her at the end of the
film is full of kindness and

893
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,120
patience And like feels honest
that when the camera switches

894
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,760
back to Emma Stone, she looks
like she's about to cry because

895
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,080
she has received kindness in the
place where she is only ever

896
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:52,680
received coldness for six years.
I like she is freaking

897
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,040
incredible in this movie.
Yeah, I'm glad you're on the

898
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,320
same page as me, because
Gosling, man, I, I, I sound like

899
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,520
I'm crapping on Ryan Gosling.
I love Ryan Gosling.

900
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,240
I just think that what he's
doing in this movie is a little

901
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:09,800
bit more like toned down, muted
than what Emma Stone is doing.

902
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,120
And I think that she's doing a
lot of the heavy lifting here.

903
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,120
Even though the camera seems to
wander off with Sebastian Moore,

904
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,320
I think that they kind of want
you to be on his side a little

905
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,560
bit more.
I was just always like, where's

906
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,000
Emma Stone?
Let's get her back in here

907
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,240
because she's freaking great,
man.

908
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,040
Yeah, I, I always want her to be
on the camera more.

909
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,440
I do think, though, like little
moments like when he gets fired

910
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,160
by JK Simmons and has that
brilliant little back and forth

911
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,760
when he's walking away.
And she, like, brings her bright

912
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,360
dreamer like self to like put
herself out there and say, hey,

913
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,120
I think that was beautiful.
Like, you don't often just say

914
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,200
that to a stranger, although if
I if I had a guy like Ryan

915
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,040
Gosling, I might say it to them.
That is just sure.

916
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,920
Like go for it Emma Stone, you
get a girl.

917
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,480
The brooding anger in his eyes
as he brushes past her is

918
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:10,960
incredible, and it makes the
next scene believable that you

919
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,880
know, six months later, whenever
you know, the summer scene

920
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,400
starts and he's playing the
terrible music on the synth.

921
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,800
Like, the idea that they would
remember who each other were is

922
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:28,000
only realistic if you see the
brooding, angry intensity with

923
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,000
which he approaches brushing
past her in the scene before.

924
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,080
So I want to talk real quick
before we get to let's make it a

925
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,600
double about this movie as
compared to Whiplash.

926
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,240
We just did Whiplash a few weeks
ago, so it's still kind of fresh

927
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:45,480
in my brain, Brad and I think
Whiplash was a obviously a much

928
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,680
smaller movie than this, but it
also was a movie that I feel

929
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,440
like he honed a bit more because
he had to make it as a short

930
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,440
film, as a proof of concept to
get financing for the whole

931
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,720
thing.
And so it felt like he really

932
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,400
zeroed in on what that movie
needed to be.

933
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,040
And I, I just truly think
Whiplash is a perfect film in a

934
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,840
lot of ways.
It's just, it works like

935
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,680
clockwork, man.
This one, it doesn't feel

936
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,600
Shaggy, right?
But I almost can tell that he

937
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,840
had more passion for this movie,
like he wanted to pour more of

938
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,960
himself and his beliefs about
the world and about regret and

939
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,920
dreams and LA and everything
else.

940
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,760
But this one doesn't feel quite
as honed to me as Whiplash did.

941
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,960
And I'd kind of like to hear,
because I know you're higher

942
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,400
than me on this movie, do you
agree with that statement or

943
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,480
not?
I think that Whiplash is just

944
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,520
trying to tell a different
story.

945
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,800
Like it maybe not even a
different story.

946
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,840
I think it's honing in on a
different element of the human

947
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:51,120
experience.
Like neither Emma Stone nor Ryan

948
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,680
Gosling's characters in this
movie are interested in

949
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,600
destroying the rest of their
life in pursuit of their dream.

950
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,800
Like like that.
Like that is focusing Whiplash

951
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,920
is focusing on just a very
different part of the human

952
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,920
experience.
I think that this one is highly

953
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:15,680
more focused on human choice and
dreams and visions of the future

954
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,200
and love here in the present.
And how do we navigate all of

955
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,840
those things?
And so it's just working in

956
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,800
different lanes, maybe on the
same highway.

957
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,800
OK, I like that.
Yeah.

958
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,480
And I don't like, like I said, I
don't think this is like a

959
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,320
really shaggy movie that needs a
bunch of time cut out of it.

960
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,080
But it it reminds me of when we
talk about, you know, Jaws or

961
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Jurassic Park against a
Schindler's List or something.

962
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Right.
Like Schindler's List, you can

963
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,520
tell, is like a passion project
for Steven Spielberg.

964
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,640
And I think a great film.
It just doesn't have the sort of

965
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,200
clockwork precision that like a
Jurassic Park does, you know

966
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,200
what I mean?
And I think this is, this is

967
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:58,280
similar, obviously on a much
different kind of scale, but you

968
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,680
can see Chazelle's heart all
over this movie.

969
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,600
I just wish that it had like
that I could look at this movie

970
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,000
and say they didn't need to cut
one second of this movie out.

971
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,440
I wouldn't change a thing about
it because that is how I feel

972
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,400
about Whiplash.
I I guess I'll say this and

973
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,240
maybe this is pre saging my
final score.

974
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:23,040
I think that Whiplash is the
better quote UN quote film.

975
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,360
I think I like La La Land more
like just pure enjoyment.

976
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,240
Like you, little romantic you.
I am man that like there's just

977
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:38,920
something so beautiful about
this film that makes me want to

978
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,760
dream big dreams and experience
beauty in the world.

979
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,480
And like, you know, we've talked
about how musicals, the whole

980
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,000
point of a well made musical is
that it doesn't represent the

981
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,120
real world is that it shows how
when somebody can't find the

982
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,160
words for what to say, they
burst out into song and dance.

983
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:06,800
I think that this movie captures
that element so perfectly that

984
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,960
it oh, it's it.
It's so, so good, Bob.

985
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,480
All right.
I think on that note, it's time

986
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,680
for us to get into Let's Make It
a Double presented by Blackwood

987
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,040
Distilling Company.
We're near the end of the

988
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,400
episodes of Things, listening to
the Film and Whiskey Show.

989
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,440
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's struggle.

990
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,080
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

991
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,080
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

992
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,960
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

993
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,200
feature.
Brad, you're on a roll here.

994
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,120
I'm going to let you go first
with your Let's Make It a

995
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,840
Double.
I'm going to pair this with a

996
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:45,240
movie that definitely does not
stand up in quality in my mind,

997
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:51,000
but I think that thematically,
visually, it is a unique enough

998
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,920
movie that I think it really
would be a great pairing with

999
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,400
Lala Land.
I'm going to put this with 500

1000
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,040
Days of Summer.
Nice.

1001
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,000
Yeah, I, I think that there's
that element of relationships

1002
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,000
going sour and the hopes and
dreams that we have for a

1003
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,840
relationship and how real life
doesn't always match it.

1004
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,640
I think that that scene near the
end of the movie when you have

1005
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,680
the split screen, like what he
hopes will happen versus at the

1006
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,400
party versus what actually
happens.

1007
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,840
I think that there's a lot to
love about 500 Days of Summer

1008
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,280
and it feels it's got the same
vibes as a La La Land.

1009
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,120
Yeah, I think I was going to go
this same route, not with 500

1010
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,560
Days with Summer, but I was, I
was thinking about pairing this

1011
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,160
up with Past Lives, a movie that
we're going to watch later this

1012
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,960
season because that's another
movie that's all about the what

1013
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,720
ifs of this is a person that I
could have married, how would my

1014
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,680
life look differently?
And in that film, that sequence

1015
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,280
that we see at the end of La La
Land is happening internally to

1016
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,560
those characters.
And so I found that to be like a

1017
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,800
really nice interplay.
I think since you chose 500 Days

1018
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,840
of Summer, though, I'm going to
go a slightly different route.

1019
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,040
And I want to talk about this
filmmaker named John Carney.

1020
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,520
He's become a pretty popular
filmmaker in the last decade and

1021
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,040
1/2 for making these kind of
modern musicals similar to La La

1022
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,360
Land.
He made a movie back in 2007

1023
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,760
called Once, which was won the
Oscar for best original song,

1024
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,480
became a massive hit on Broadway
after the movie came.

1025
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,120
And then he made a couple other
bigger budget musicals as well.

1026
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,720
He made one in 2013 that had
Keira Knightley and Mark Ruffalo

1027
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:30,040
in it called Begin Again.
And I freaking love that movie.

1028
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,040
And you know, she is a musician.
It's not like a musical in the

1029
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,800
same style of La La land.
But what I really found

1030
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,480
fascinating about thinking about
Begin Again in this movie is how

1031
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,200
do you portray someone's passion
for music on screen in the 21st

1032
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,320
century in a way that doesn't
feel cheesy and also doesn't

1033
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,120
feel super cynical?
And I think both of those movies

1034
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,240
do that really, really well.
So I'm going to pair this up

1035
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,160
with Begin Again.
I would be very curious about

1036
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,080
watching that movie.
It's super good you'd like.

1037
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,120
It a lot.
Big big fan of Keira Knightley.

1038
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,680
Mark Ruffalo.
I I never know quite where to

1039
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,960
put my finger on him, if I like
him or not.

1040
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,560
Well, give it a try man.
Tell me what you think.

1041
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,520
Let's Make It a Double was
presented by Blackwood

1042
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,480
Distilling Company.
No matter what movie you chose

1043
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,200
to pair this with, you can
always make it a double with

1044
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,400
Blackwood Distilling Co.
Dude talking about something

1045
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,200
that makes me dream big.
Blackwood's whiskey.

1046
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,120
So freaking good.
I have been, I have been nursing

1047
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,560
this bottle of rye that we
brought home from Kentucky.

1048
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,200
'Cause I don't want it to fit
it, I don't want it to be over.

1049
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,800
Yeah, it's really good.
Where are you at?

1050
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,760
I'll just, I'll just get my
final score out there.

1051
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,960
I think this movie is a 10 out
of 10.

1052
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,280
Like now I will say I was
hovering between a nine and a

1053
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,040
half and A10.
I think that emotionally it

1054
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,760
pushes me over the hump to say
that this is a 10 out of 10

1055
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,760
movie, even though I would
recognize Whiplash is a more

1056
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:03,400
technically sound film that also
is wildly emotionally effective.

1057
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,520
So like, I'm not acting like
like Whiplash isn't, you know,

1058
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,880
this incredible film.
I think Whiplash is the better

1059
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,200
movie.
I think La La Land just gets me,

1060
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,120
man.
Makes me cry every time.

1061
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,560
Brad I think I'm going to go
with a nine out of 10 on this

1062
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,840
movie.
I think my the overall enjoyment

1063
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,960
factor of this film is about an
8 1/2, but I think it's a better

1064
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,960
made movie than an 8.5.
And my big hang up is is like

1065
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,000
the lighting of the movie and a
few small directorial choices.

1066
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,520
But I can look at this movie
objectively and say those things

1067
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,280
were done on purpose.
They work for some people even

1068
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,720
if they don't work for me.
And I think because I know

1069
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,120
Chazelle's intention, it it kind
of papers over the fact that I

1070
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,320
don't like it, I can be a little
bit more objective about it

1071
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,840
because I don't have to wonder
if it's just a mistake, you know

1072
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,680
what I mean?
And so because I like the

1073
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,800
ambition of the movie and it
works way more than it doesn't

1074
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,680
work for me, I'm going to go
with a nine out of 10, which

1075
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,960
brings us to a really high
average on this one, a 9.5 out

1076
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,640
of 10, Brad.
Dude, what a great film.

1077
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,840
I know that this isn't going to
be for everybody.

1078
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:16,040
I literally was watching this
last night and during the day

1079
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,400
yesterday I told Haley, I'm
like, I'm going to invite a

1080
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,120
bunch of guys over to watch La
La Land tonight.

1081
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,080
I love this movie and she goes,
what a great bro night watching

1082
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,800
La La Land together.
I was like, hey man, I I think

1083
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,120
it's going to be a great time.
Should be watching La La Land

1084
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,760
together.
I, I mean, to be honest, I think

1085
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,800
so too.
Nobody came.

1086
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,240
I watched it by myself and
cried.

1087
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,360
Oh, you basically had the same
experience as Emma Stone in this

1088
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,440
movie.
Yes, yeah, it was brutal.

1089
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,280
I was devastated.
And for those of you listening,

1090
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,880
you know who you are.
That's right.

1091
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,280
No, I cried because this movie
is gorgeous and beautiful and I

1092
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,920
love it.
All right, so there you have it,

1093
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,760
it's a 9.5 from us on La La
Land, but we'd like to know what

1094
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,760
you think.
You can find us on all of our

1095
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,120
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1096
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:11,200
YouTube at Film Whiskey.
Or you can jump onto our Discord

1097
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,280
channel.
We are on there every single day

1098
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,440
talking about movies, whiskey,
and everything else that enters

1099
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,800
into your little brain.
You can find a link to a Discord

1100
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,280
server.
Well, I'm talking about people

1101
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,840
who think that you pick good
movies about.

1102
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,200
Sure, sure, sure.
You can find a link to our

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Discord server at the end of
every single one of our show

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notes.
We want to say thank you again

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to our sponsor, Blackwood
Distilling Company.

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If you would like to try their
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bourbonoutfitter.com/film
Whiskey and type in our code

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Film Whiskey at checkout.
That's whiskey with an E That's

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5% off at Blackwood Distilling
Code when you use our code Film

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Whiskey.
We'll be back next week, Brad.

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Going in a completely different
direction.

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We're looking at the sci-fi
classic District 9.

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District 9.
District 9.

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District 9.
So join us for that next week,

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but until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And we'll see you next time.