Joker / Benromach 10-Year Single Malt Scotch

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In 2019, director Todd Phillips
and star Joaquin Phoenix gave

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the world the darkest film we
have ever watched.

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In 2025 we take a return trip to
Scotland for the first time in

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weeks.
The I like the way you put that,

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Like we just, yeah, we just hang
out in Scotland pretty often.

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It's been too long, Brad.
Too long.

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The film is Joker.
The whiskey is Ben Romack, 10

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year.
And we'll review them both.

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This is the film.
And Whiskey podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And this week we are throwing it
back about five years here,

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Brad.
Well, a little more than five

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years I guess, which is crazy to
think about.

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I remember when Joker came out,
obviously, but it was pre COVID

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and those COVID years, we've
said it many times on this

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podcast, just really screwed
with my perception of time.

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It's weird to think that this
movie's already been out for

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five years because it feels like
it was, you know, maybe two

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years ago.
I don't know, maybe it's just

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me.
Yeah, I mean, according to

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Tarantino, 2019 was the last
year that cinema existed.

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So that like this just feels
like an epoch ago.

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Which is crazy because Tarantino
also happened to just release a

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movie in 2019.
He got his movie in just under

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the wire before cinema night.
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Funny how that happened.
What what a coincidence.

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All right, so today we're
looking at Joker and folks, I'm

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going to lay all my cards out on
the table right after this

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little teaser.
Welcome into film in Whiskey.

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If this is your first time
listening to us, we talk about

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movies, we talk about whiskey
this season, we're looking at

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movies from the last 20 years
and we're asking the question,

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does this movie deserve to be
considered a modern masterpiece?

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Joker is a really interesting
document, Brad, of, I guess the

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late twenty 10s, early twenty
20s.

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It's, you know, obviously still
really relevant to our times.

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They just came out with the
sequel this past year that was

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pretty universally panned and
flopped hard at the box office.

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So Joker is still somewhat top
of mind for people.

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But I wanted to lay my cards out
on the table by saying this,

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Brad, I watched this movie.
I think it's a pretty well made

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movie.
I don't have quite the visceral

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hate for it that it seems like a
lot of movie critics have, but I

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will say that I don't know if
I've ever been less excited to

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start watching a movie for our
show.

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I definitely at multiple points
this week could have started

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this movie and just decided
against it 'cause you really

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gotta get yourself in a specific
frame of mind to take in this

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movie.
Yeah, I watched this film maybe

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a year ago and was impressed
with a lot of the craft of the

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film and highly unimpressed with
the message.

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So coming into this time, I was
really curious where I would be.

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I I don't know if I quite had
the trepidation to get into it

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that you did.
It's definitely a hard movie to

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make yourself watch.
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And it's not filmed with the
sort of like, hatred for

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humanity that someone like a
David Fincher has.

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But it definitely reminds me of
watching a movie like 7, where

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you just come out of that movie
and you feel real icky, and you

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feel like you need a shower.
And there's not a lot of rays of

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hope happening at the end of
this movie.

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So we're going to dive into it.
We're going to talk about it a

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lot.
But Brad, I, I'm really curious

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to hear what you think of Joker.
So maybe for the earliest time

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this season, we're at the four
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I think.
Let's just jump right in and

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let's get into, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
sticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and do your take with
this little segment that we

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call, Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen often for the first
time.

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Now, this is of course, Brad's
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It's not really a super
complicated plot, Brad, and we

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will discuss how it seems to be
a plot that's reused a lot, but

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it should be something that you
can handle in 60 seconds, no?

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I I think I have this Bob.
By the way, nice sultry voice

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you have there today, Brad.
That's what happens when you get

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sick, Bob.
Dude, I I have never gotten sick

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with the frequency that I do now
after having children.

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It's like, and I thought that it
worked that such that like kids

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get sick a lot because their
immune systems haven't built up

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the tolerance, but I as an adult
should have the talt.

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Like why am I getting sick all
the time?

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Yeah, I It's because kids are
dirty, and not only do they fray

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your last nerve, they also fray
your bodily health.

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It's wild.
And that's our endorsement for

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parenthood, folks.
Dude, if anybody's, if anybody's

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out there listening, have kids.
It's the absolute best thing in

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the world.
Yeah, you get to sound like

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this, Bob.
You gave such a glowing

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endorsement that I'm sure that
really rings true with most

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people now.
All right, Brad, let's dive into

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Joker.
So you have 60 seconds on the

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clock, folks.
We are going to spoil this whole

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movie.
So if you haven't gotten around

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to seeing the Best Picture
nominee Joker, hit pause, go

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watch the film, and then come
back and rejoin us for the rest

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of the episode.
Brad, one minute and go.

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Joker is a film about an evil
society that tramples a poor man

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into absolute terror.
The end.

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The end.
Boom.

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Bad society, Bad society.
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How do we want to frame today,
Brad?

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I've been kind of sending you
little tiny fragments of

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thoughts I have on this movie
throughout the day.

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And I have so many thoughts, but
I don't really know how to

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construct an episode out of
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It feels weird to just jump into
like performances because

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there's really only one
performance we need to talk

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about in the movie.
And obviously Joaquin wins best

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actor for this movie.
I think we would both agree that

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he does a pretty phenomenal job,
right?

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Like I I don't have any
complaints about his

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performance.
I have lots of complaints, lots

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of thoughts about the movie that
he is in so.

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Personally, I I think we need to
spend at least 10 minutes

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talking about Sam Morel and his
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Who is that?
He's the You've never heard Sam

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Morel.
No.

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Oh bro, I thought you were in a
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He's the comedian that's on
stage right before Arthur

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Joaquin goes up and he's he's
talking about, you know, how men

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and women view sex.
You know what, there's also a

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comedian or before him, Gary
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working comedian.
That's that was in the movie.

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So I was like, oh, I recognize
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OK, so there you go.
Let's talk about stand up comics

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who make brief cameos, but not,
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So here's the thing.
Here's the thing with Joaquin,

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like he reflects the absolute I,
I mean, obviously he sets the

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tone, but in a lot of ways, I
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is an overindulgence and his
performance is just that.

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Now am I saying it's a bad
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Like not in any stretch of the
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I think Joaquin does incredible
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I I think his ability to have
like 3 different laughs for the

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joker based on like what's going
on around him is incredible.

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The scene where he kills Randall
and then is helping the the

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dwarf that is also a clown get
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It like I think Joaquin just
freaking knocks it out of the

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park, dude.
But I once again, I, I think my

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struggle with this film will
never be I, I don't know if I

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can separate the darkness of
this film and the message that I

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think is so wrong and terrible
from Joaquin's performance.

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Well, then maybe let's just go
ahead and start diving into

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messaging in this movie because
I've been really struggling with

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why the movie doesn't totally
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Why doesn't it work?
And why do I feel like this

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movie is irresponsible in the
way that it handles its themes?

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Because, you know, I was, I was
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lifts plot elements.
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accused of copying off was early
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called The King of Comedy.
And then prior to that, Taxi

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Driver.
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the structure of Taxi Driver.
And so I understand that people

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accuse it of ripping those
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I don't necessarily think it
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I I didn't think so on this
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But when I compare it to a movie
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Taxi Driver works is because
from the very beginning of the

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movie, not only do you
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an unstable person, but you
never view him or anything he

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does in terms of like, heroic
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heroic.
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movie, when you have that kind
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epilogue where it turns out
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did he not die, but he's getting
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being viewed as a hero by the
public, it's like, oof, that

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hits even harder because there
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That's kind of what they're
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But I think that Todd Phillips
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set the Joker up in such a way
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sympathizing with and rooting
for him, even as you watch him

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do, like, horrific stuff.
It's not that you want to be

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rooting for him, but I feel like
this movie is framing itself

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almost as like a good triumphing
over evil or a guy overcoming

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the obstacles, but the obstacles
are like innocent people that he

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shoots to death.
It's just it's a very confused

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messaging.
Well, I, for me, I walked away

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this second time watching it and
I was just kind of like, I feel

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like this is like a very radical
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Like the idea that rich young
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like late 20s, like just because
they are mean to a lower class

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citizen, if you will, on the
subway, we can assume that they

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are just terrible people in
their entire lives and they

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deserve to die.
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continues to spiral from there.
And I really, really struggle

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with this viewpoint that the
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nihilistically dark place that
pretty much everybody is evil or

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broken in their own ways and
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And they deserve death because
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have committed.
Yeah, man, it's, it's a struggle

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for sure.
And I I will also say on the

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stockbroker front, the three
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subway, surprisingly very adept
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I would not have expected those
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Stephen Sondheim to the extent
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They I, I agree with that and I
think that's like a very, it's a

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good call out Bob because it's,
to me, it points out the

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weirdness of this movie and how
it doesn't feel like he can

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really stick to a tone or like
an identity for the people in

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the movie.
It just feels like he's kind of

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throwing a lot of stuff in there
that he wants to see.

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Yeah.
And well, and I feel like

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getting back to the theme thing,
like I say that it's confused

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because I feel like, and again,
it, I'm not trying to say that I

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know Todd Phillips's mind, but
it almost feels like the things

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that he wants us to be kind of
chewing and marinating on are

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really underdeveloped.
And the things that he doesn't

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intend to be poking through are
the things that actually do poke

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through.
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thematically.
So I think it's pretty clear.

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And you kind of called this out
when you're talking about it as

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like a socialist fever dream.
I think that this movie wants to

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kind of toe the line of being
political and being like what it

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perceives to be timely.
Obviously this comes out during

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the first Trump administration
and you have at the beginning of

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the movie a a lower class man
whose mom only watches the news,

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doesn't have friends, but
watches the news all day and and

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says this billionaire is such a
good guy.

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He's going to save us all.
He's he should be in government.

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Like it feels like Todd Phillips
is trying to hint at like a

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Trumpian figure.
No, Rob, definitely, definitely

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not.
But then they also do the thing

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of like, but we're going to set
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So it's not current times.
And it feels like they're

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hedging.
Like if you're going to make a

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movie that is intending to be
some kind of either social

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satire or just like a social
commentary, you got to give it

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some teeth, dude.
Like make it a little more

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biting than this, whether or not
the audience ends up eating that

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up.
Like you have to go whole hog on

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that.
And it feels like at every step

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they want to be controversial,
but then they want to make him

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an empathetic figure.
They want to be bold, but then

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they want to soften it with, you
know, traditional filmmaking

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techniques.
They want it to be timely, but

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we're going to set it in the
past so that it can't be a one

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to one.
And it just constantly feels

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like a guy that wants to, like
he wants to muddy up the waters

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a little bit, but he's too
afraid to do so.

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I also think that this movie
works way better if in in

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pairing with what you just said,
like make it more direct.

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If that's what you're trying to
say.

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Get rid of the DC of it all,
yeah?

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Let's talk about that.
Like don't make this a movie

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about Joker like 100% you could
make this movie 100% the same,

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including all the clown stuff.
Like he can be a clown on the

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streets of 1980s New York
totally fine.

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But like why in the world did
this have to be a comic book

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movie?
It literally makes continues to

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make zero sense to me.
Well OK, so this might be a good

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place to touch on the sequel a
little bit.

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And I know you haven't seen the
sequel.

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I might be like one of the five
people that don't absolutely

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hate the sequel.
It is at least 1/2 hour too

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long.
It is very boring, but it is a

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much more direct and coherent
like Vision from Todd Phillips,

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because I think he basically, he
basically thought like people

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misinterpreted what I was trying
to do with my first movie.

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So I'm going to use the entirety
of the second movie to under

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score that this man is not a
hero.

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And in fact, he's like the
biggest loser on earth.

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And that's like like the the
second movie is punishing

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towards towards Arthur.
Oh, that's honestly Bob, that's

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partially fascinating to me
because I, I feel like you

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walked into that movie theater
like a wolf into a sheep pen,

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like you were just salivating at
the opportunity to hate on that

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movie.
So I'm impressed First off that

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you, you gave it its due process
if you will.

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Secondly, I, I don't know about
you, Bob, I walked away from

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watching Joker thinking, man,
not only is Arthur Fleck a

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loser, he is a sociopathic
murderer.

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That is not a hero, correct?
Should not be lionized.

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Well, and that's getting back to
your whole thing about the DC of

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it all.
So it feels like they're trying

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to shoehorn in these references
to Bruce Wayne to, you know,

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Thomas Wayne.
So like all these people.

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And it doesn't really work
because even at the as the movie

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comes out, Todd Phillips is
saying like, we're leaving it

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ambiguous as to whether this guy
really is the Joker that you

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know, or whether he's just going
to inspire the Joker.

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And it's like, so this isn't
even ADC character.

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He's just a guy.
And again, not trying to spoil

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the whole second movie for you,
Brad.

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It's made very clear in the
second movie, this guy's not the

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Joker.
So what are we doing here?

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I don't know if you know this
but it's like next on my list.

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There's no way I can go another
day in my life without.

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Seeing Joker fully idea, it
would only be better if it was

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directed by Denny Villeneuve.
Only better is a correct

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phrasing if it was directed by
Denny.

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So yes, the DC of it all kind of
pisses me off a little bit too,

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because the movie definitely
works better without the DC

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references.
However, I think we have to be

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honest and say like, this movie
also doesn't gross a billion

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dollars without the DC
connection.

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So yeah, I don't, I don't know.
Yeah.

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If if you want to make money,
you know make a comic book movie

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in the 20 teens.
If you don't want to make money,

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make a comic book movie in the
twenty 20s.

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Yeah, that's that's true.
They once again, they got it in

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right under the wire right
before cinema ended.

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All right, So Brad, we've we've
kind of set up some of our

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trepidations with the movie.
Our our peccadillo's with the

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movie.
I don't know man, where do you

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want to go from here?
Like Joaquin's very good.

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This movie is very confused.
Should we jump into things we

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liked?
Should we keep trying to explore

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what it is that makes this movie
not work?

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I'm not sure.
Yeah, I mean, I'm curious how

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you feel about De Niro.
Like he's the only other actor,

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like really in the movie.
His mom is in it a little bit.

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I'm very curious where you're at
on De Niro on Late Night Show

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host De Niro.
Well, let's talk about the De

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Niro performance and let's talk
about the character of Murray

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Franklin.
So as De Niro's gotten older,

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he's obviously, I think leaned
into the fact that like he

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doesn't have to memorize his
line so much anymore.

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He improvises a lot.
This really felt like he showed

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up on set and it was his first
time reading any of his lines.

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Like there were some really
awkward line readings from him

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in this movie.
So I think it's a bad

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performance.
I also think that he doesn't

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have late night host vibes at
all.

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He's not a charismatic guy.
And why is Murray Franklin such

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a Dick?
Why is his show like set up to

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be mean to regular people?
That's not how late night TV

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works.
Exactly that.

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That to me was the biggest,
like, bizarre decision of the

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writing team where I'm like,
yeah, IA 100% believe that

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Joaquin Phoenix and Francis
Conroy are like watching late

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night TV host together and
falling asleep to it.

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That is very believable.
I don't know, man.

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Maybe the 80s were just a lot
meaner than we know about.

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Like maybe, you know, all these
late night show hosts were just

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being absolute DS to their
guests.

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It seems to me, though, based on
clips that I've seen from late

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night television of this, you
know, 60s, seventies, 80s, that

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these are some of the most
congenial, charismatic, like fun

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to be around guys in the world.
And De Niro is basically like if

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Travis Bickle got about two
steps more charismatic.

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Well, and they're obviously
getting De Niro to be in the

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movie to have something to kind
of volley against the

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accusations of them ripping off
Taxi Driver in King of Comedy.

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It's like, oh, well, now he gets
to be the late night host

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instead of the comedian.
And it's like, OK, cool, you

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made a little meta joke.
But I just don't think he's the

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right guy for this role, man.
Did you see that they tried to

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get Leo to play Arthur Fleck
opposite of De Niro?

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I don't know if that would have
worked as well.

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I actually, I, I really think
Phoenix is good for what they're

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trying to do with this
character.

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Like, I, yeah, even that very
first shot of him putting his

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make up on in the mirror and
forcing his fingers into his

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mouth to make himself smile and
you get the teardrop.

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It's like, oh, I know everything
I need to know about this guy.

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Yeah, that that scene was
apparently just completely like,

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there's nothing in the script
about him crying.

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Joaquin just, like, walked on
the stat, pulled his face up

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into a smile and a tear fell out
of his eye.

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And Todd Phillips is like, all
right, next scene.

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Moving on.
We, we got it, dude.

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Brad.
OK, so here's where I want us to

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go today.
I think that I still have more

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complaints.
As always, I want to center them

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around the ending of the movie
and why the ending of the movie

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is what makes this movie so
problematic.

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And I'm not even talking about
the climactic gunshot.

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I'm talking about what happens
after that.

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But in order to do that, I think
this is a good time to go ahead

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and press pause and drink some
whiskey.

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We're a little bit early, but if
I'm going to talk any more about

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this movie, I need a drink,
dude.

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I'm with you man, Let's do it.
All right, so today we are

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checking out Ben Romach space
side single malt Scotch whiskey.

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Ben, I almost called you Ben
because I'm talking about Ben

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Romach.
Brad.

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I looked up a video of how to
properly pronounce it just to

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make sure I wasn't going to
stick my foot in my mouth here.

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And they, they have the the
chapter at the end of Ben Romach

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is like aspirated.
It's not quite as, it's not

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quite as throaty as like a Hoff
in Hebrew, but it's, you got to

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say Ben Romack.
So I've been.

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Practicing.
No man, I like drinking my Ben

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Romack.
Ben rematch 10 years.

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So this is a space side whiskey
Brad, it's been a minute since

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we've had a space side.
I am very excited for this

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because we've always said space
side tends to be kind of like

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the most like delicate of the
scotches that we've tried.

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At least Highland packs a little
bit more of a punch.

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And then obviously you've got
your Isla, you know, among the

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other couple regions.
But it's been a minute and we've

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never tried Ben Romack.
This is their entry level 10

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year version.
They also have, I see on their

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website a 15 year and then
they've got super premium ones

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that are in the 20s.
Brad, what can you remember

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about the space side scotches
that we've tried to this point?

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Man, I, I mean, I really don't
remember much about our space

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sides.
Is is Abrilower a space side?

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Yeah, so I, I do remember really
enjoying the Abirlowers.

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For me, they had a lot of like
Berry notes and like a very

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beautiful floral delicacy to
them.

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Yeah, I'm with you, dude.
That's exactly what I pick up on

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space sides as well.
And it's funny because as we

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transition into the nose on this
one, I actually get a little bit

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more like a peat smoke on this
one than I think I've ever

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gotten on a space side before.
Brad, I think you've tried it

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already.
I'm drinking it live so I've

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given one nosing note, but I'm
going to go ahead and stick my

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nose in this class while you
give your notes.

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Bob, I am going to give you one
of the best nosing notes of all

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time.
This reminds me of Honey Smacks.

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Oh wow.
Right.

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Like they're so good but they
like even when I ate them I felt

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like it was the poorest I ever
felt as a kid.

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Yes exactly.
This seems like poor people

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food.
Like Great Depression era

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cereal.
Yeah, so honey smacks quite,

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quite the endorsing opinion
there, Bob.

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There is a bunch of vanilla
here.

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It's got like a really nice
thick cherry, syrupy vibe on the

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nose.
There's some cranberry, there's

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some plum.
I overall, it's a really

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pleasant nose that has me
intrigued.

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I'm going to give it a 7 1/2 out
of 10.

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Yeah.
I'm going to be just a little

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bit lower than you.
I meant just a 7 out of 10.

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When I first poured it out, I
got like really bright orange

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and and cinnamon notes that
definitely had the Pete smoke to

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it as well.
And then it kind of like it

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started to get a couple funky
notes on it.

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I get some almost raw, like
yeasty dough on it.

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I get some, there's some kind of
wood that I can't like put my

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finger on, but it smells like a
wet, almost like balsa wood and

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like it.
It was a really weird note for

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me to get.
I like it.

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I wish that it was a little more
in that kind of delicate fruity

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realm that we like.
So I'm just in A7 and hoping

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that it gets better on the
taste.

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I think the palette is
incredible.

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00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,840
There is plum.
There's like a really nice cacao

447
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,560
note kicking through the entire
experience.

448
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,320
It reminds me a little bit of
like a Rice Krispie treat, like

449
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,240
a like a sugary, grainy vibe
there.

450
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,240
There is a lot of really nice
flavors.

451
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,960
It's not overwhelmingly complex,
so somewhat simple in its

452
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,680
presentation, but I'm going to
give it an 8 out of 10 Bob.

453
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,280
Wow, this is way smokier than I
would have expected just looking

454
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,000
at the bottle and seeing the
word space side.

455
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,240
If you had told me that this was
like a more lightly peated Isla

456
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,360
Scotch, I believe you.
But this doesn't remind me of

457
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:34,280
any of the space eyes we've had
to this point.

458
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,480
Which is fine.
Like you don't have to mimic

459
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,600
other distilleries with the
product you're creating.

460
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,840
It's just kind of throwing off
my mental expectations here, so

461
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,400
I'm trying to readjust a little
bit.

462
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,120
I definitely get a much more
vegetable, much more medicinal

463
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:52,680
note towards the back end.
It's got like that kind of woody

464
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,640
grass type note to it, not quite
Piney, but in that realm it has

465
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,880
that almost like ashy cigarette
kind of taste towards the back

466
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,680
as well.
But I will say it's got a layer

467
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,280
of sweetness that helps to
offset that a little bit so it

468
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,280
doesn't tip fully bitter at the
end.

469
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,160
I like this quite a bit.
I think I'm just still resetting

470
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,440
what I was expecting it to be.
I'm going to come up to a 7.5 on

471
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,280
the pallet.
I think the finish is really

472
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,320
nice.
I think that there's a little

473
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,840
bit of oakiness to it.
It gets kind of spicy at the

474
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,440
end.
There is that for me it turned

475
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:36,040
into that vegetal note almost
almost into a dilly type of

476
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,000
region.
Overall pretty good finish,

477
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,400
drops off a little bit from the
nose and the taste.

478
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,960
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10.

479
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,680
Yeah, I like the finish.
I don't really have a lot of

480
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,560
notes on this one.
It doesn't feel like a super

481
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,160
complex whiskey to me.
It does get bitter and it does

482
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:57,080
get kind of overly like it's,
it's so smoky that it almost

483
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,000
comes back around into sourness.
I don't quite know how to

484
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,800
explain that.
But like the flavors that are

485
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,920
left a minute after on the back
of my palate are turning sour.

486
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,080
And so I think that this is kind
of like if this was an Isla

487
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,960
Scotch, I would think it's an
underwhelming experience as a

488
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,920
space side Scotch.
I kind of think it's a little

489
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,560
bit of an underwhelming
experience and it's so far out

490
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,160
of the wheelhouse of what we've
come to identify space side as

491
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,480
that it feels kind of like a
bottle floating on its own out

492
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,520
in between Space Side and the I
Love region.

493
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,160
I have no idea what to make of
this.

494
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,520
I'm going to give it a 6.5 on
the finish.

495
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,360
I'm going to give it just a 7
out of 10 on the balance.

496
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,080
Brad, did you give a balance
score?

497
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,400
I didn't.
I'll I'll give it a 7 1/2 on the

498
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,680
balance.
I think there's good flavors

499
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,120
that all work together really
well and I like, I'm a fan.

500
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,160
I I like this Bob, I found this.
It seems like you can get it for

501
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:59,160
around $50.00 in the States,
which is, I think an eminently

502
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,480
reasonable price for this
whiskey.

503
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,440
Yeah, I'm going to, man.
I'm going to purposely fudge my

504
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,720
numbers, Brad.
I'm going to ruin the integrity

505
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,200
of my scoring structure here
because right now I'm at a 28

506
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,600
out of 40 and I think that the
price on this is extremely fair.

507
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Like I was going to give it a 7
out of 10.

508
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,280
It's only A7 because I don't
really like it that much.

509
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200
But if we're just talking like
if you had to buy this blind

510
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,480
without ever tasting it, it's
like a nine or a 10 out of 10 on

511
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,600
value.
However, if I do give it a

512
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,960
seven, I would be at a 35 out of
50, which is where we start

513
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,800
recommending a product and I, I
don't think I recommend this

514
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,320
one, Brad.
So I'm I'm going to give it a

515
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,840
six, keeping me at a 34 out of
50.

516
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640
You just said this could be a
nine out of 10 value.

517
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,600
Yeah, it could be.
And then you gave it a six.

518
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,840
Yeah, that.
That's the brakes, dude.

519
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,640
Dude this is like.
As the Joker would say, that's

520
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520
life.
That, that is life Bob.

521
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,440
It didn't have to be that way.
You could have chosen otherwise.

522
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,240
This is an 8 1/2 out of 10 on
value I like for 50 bucks.

523
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,960
This is a really great single
malt experience, regardless of

524
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,480
if you are Snooty about a
regional flavour tasting like

525
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,720
what you expect a regional
flavour to taste like.

526
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,480
Not that I know anybody who's
like that.

527
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,840
Sure, sure.
And in my entire life, Bob, I am

528
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,200
coming to a 38.5 out of 50 here.
All right, I'm going to, I'm

529
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,400
going to 34 out of 50, which is
bringing us to an average of a

530
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,160
36.25.
So we still landed in the soft

531
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,640
recommend range anyway.
I will say folks like just the

532
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,120
value of it.
It really is like A9 or A10.

533
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,280
I just think that this was kind
of a subpar drinking experience,

534
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,680
and it's probably the first one
that I wouldn't recommend that

535
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,360
we've had in a long, long time.
Brad.

536
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,800
Just not my cup of tea this
week.

537
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,440
I.
Sure, man.

538
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,800
Whatever you say, Bob.
I, I, I, I have seized.

539
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,280
You know how you don't always
know what movies I'm going to

540
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,480
vibe with?
Yeah, you, you throw me

541
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,600
curveballs with our whiskey
sometimes where I'm like, yeah,

542
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,080
Bob's like, yeah, sure.
This is this is pretty solid

543
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,800
whiskey at a good value.
Nah, don't recommend though.

544
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,520
I don't think it's that solid.
That's the thing.

545
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,120
Like it's OK, I just think that
like if you could get a bottle

546
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,680
of like Talisker 10 for like 60
bucks instead of this Talisker

547
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,760
is world's better than this bro.
I dude I think the price on

548
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,360
Talisker has gone up.
I think it's like a $7580 bottle

549
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,200
now.
And I would agree with you.

550
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,560
Talisker, 10, is world's better
than this.

551
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Well yeah, but if it's 80 bucks
then I get it man.

552
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,120
So it sounds like you definitely
recommend though.

553
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,760
Would you try?
Would you recommend trying it or

554
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,920
buying it?
Yeah, yeah.

555
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,360
Try and buy great great great
whiskey.

556
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,640
Try followed by it by All right,
man, I love it.

557
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,200
Let's get back into talking
about Joker.

558
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,240
What do you say?
I would say that Talisker Single

559
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,720
Malt 10 Year Old will set you
back $75.00 in the state of

560
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,360
Ohio.
It's all these, it's all these

561
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,800
darn tariffs.
They just didn't put it on Ben

562
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,280
Roma because they don't think
it's that good.

563
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,720
That's what it was.
Tariffs.

564
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,400
All right, man, let's get back
into talking about Joker.

565
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:20,160
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody, that was

566
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,800
Ben Romack, 10.
An unmitigated success at that

567
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,120
$50 price point, don't you
think, Bob?

568
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Whatever you say, man.
Also, I'm, I'm just going to

569
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,720
take a second and tell you, I
can't trill my Rs.

570
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,600
That was a good, that might have
been the absolute best I have

571
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,960
ever done in my life.
I'm very proud of myself, right?

572
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,880
That was a really good rolled R
Man you you still missed the Ch

573
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,960
sound but well, I was I.
Literally was.

574
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,280
I was so impressed with the
rolled R that I just was like,

575
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,240
I'm not even going to try.
No, I know I can do that.

576
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,800
It's like you got to quit while
you're ahead and you quit mid

577
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,280
word I.
Sure did, Bob.

578
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:03,280
I sure did.
Speaking of things where I quit

579
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,240
when I'm ahead, let's talk about
two facts and a falsehood, Brad.

580
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:15,920
Is going to try to stumpy ball 2
all right and what is wrong 2

581
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,040
facts and a.
Falsehood 2 Facts and a

582
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Falsehood is the part of the
show where Brad presents me with

583
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,200
three items as fact about the
making of this movie, one of

584
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,960
which is a complete lie.
Brad, I'm still riding high off

585
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,680
last week's victory in
Everything Everywhere All At

586
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,240
Once, where I did not enlist our
guests help and still got it

587
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,520
right.
I'm not riding coattails this

588
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,960
season, man.
I'm doing pretty well.

589
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,960
Lee Diaz, What a guy.
Great guy.

590
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Truly what a guy.
Go back and listen to that

591
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,920
episode if you haven't heard it
yet.

592
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:49,120
If you've not ever purchased a
bottle on Reserve Bar, I highly

593
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,120
recommend that program.
Lee, you know heads up the

594
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,480
Single Barrel program as well.
They pick absolute bangers on

595
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,160
Reserve Bar.
Dude, excellent whiskey.

596
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,000
We're not being paid to say this
not.

597
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,680
Yet at least like unasked for
plug Lee, you're welcome.

598
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,719
You do great work and we think
you're the best.

599
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,360
Also, this is our pilot for
advertising for you next season,

600
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,480
so you know, send that money
bro.

601
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:16,199
There's more where this came
from, Lee.

602
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,639
Let's get into two facts and a
falsehood.

603
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,440
Fact #1 Early in production,
director and writer Todd

604
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,840
Phillips wanted Willem Dafoe to
narrate the film as a unreliable

605
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,960
older Joker, with his takes on
the scenes growing more manic as

606
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,719
the film neared its conclusion.
Fact #2 Early footage shows

607
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,320
Arthur walking by a sign for
amusement mile Gotham City's

608
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,719
version of Coney Island, which
features prominently in the

609
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520
original Killing Joke graphic
novel.

610
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,679
Joker Co creator Bill Finger was
partially inspired by a sign for

611
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,480
Steeplechase Park in the real
Coney Island, which featured a

612
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,440
grotesque grinning face.
Fact #3 the Super Rats segment

613
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,920
on Murray Franklin's show and in
the news references Ratcatcher,

614
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,400
an obscure D List villain who
could mind control rats.

615
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,040
The character eventually made an
appearance in James Gunn's The

616
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:18,440
Suicide Squad.
OK, 2 sounds the most factual,

617
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,600
so I'm going to say 2 is a fact.
Is it one or is it 3?

618
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,080
I don't know anything about
comic books. 3 sounds absolutely

619
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,840
preposterous, but I can't tell
if it's preposterous because you

620
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,280
wrote it or because comic books
are just dumb.

621
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,720
Brad, That's that's where I'm at
on that one.

622
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,520
I think both of those things are
probably true.

623
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,320
So you're admitting to three
being a falsehood.

624
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,240
I, I mean, I, I would never ever
admit to a falsehood, Bob.

625
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:52,120
Number one also sounds fictional
because people have been making

626
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,720
like fan art of Willem Dafoe as
the Joker for such a long time

627
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,800
that it almost seems like it
would be kind of like when they

628
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,200
had the Juggernaut in that one
X-Men Movie and they made him

629
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,120
say the I'm the Juggernaut
bitch.

630
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,360
Like it feels like it would be
more of a joke than a real thing

631
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,840
at this point if Willem Dafoe
was the Joker.

632
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,800
Does that does that feel like
something Ryan Reynolds would do

633
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,800
or Todd Phillips though?
That's what I'm saying I'm going

634
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,800
to say #1 is the falsehood.
But I'm really going to kick

635
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,880
myself.
If you admitted on air to

636
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,320
writing #3 and I didn't pick it,
but I'm still doing it, man.

637
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,440
I'm going to go with number.
One Bob.

638
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,280
I have never once in my life
seen a fan art of Willem Dafoe

639
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,200
really as the Joker.
Oh yeah, like all over the

640
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,120
place, dude.
It makes a lot of sense.

641
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,520
He would be an incredible joke.
Dude you know how they made

642
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,960
Logan about like old Wolverine?
They they could make Arthur

643
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,520
about old Arthur Fleck and have
Willem Dafoe play him.

644
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,040
Well, they can't, if you saw
what happens to Arthur Fleck at

645
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,760
the end of the second movie.
But aside from that, yeah.

646
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,400
We Ultimate Universe Multiverse,
Bob, they're all the rage.

647
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,520
Fact number one is the
falsehood.

648
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,440
You got it correct.
Yes.

649
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Do you know why Willem Dafoe
works so well as the Joker Brad?

650
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Why is that?
Bomb he has a gigantic mouth.

651
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,640
He like just a huge mouth that
like it makes so much sense.

652
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,600
As the Joker that is.
If that's the only qualification

653
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,960
to be Joker, then Cameron Diaz
would be an incredible Joker.

654
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,320
Well, that's just not kind.
Come on man.

655
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,720
Dude, I she's a beautiful woman.
Yeah.

656
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,720
Also huge mouth.
We could just like, have a Mick

657
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,480
Jagger Joker.
We could do a Steven Tyler from

658
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Aerosmith Joker.
Just assemble a team of people

659
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,920
with big mouths to be Joker.
I have just a bunch of different

660
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,400
like it's a multiverse Joker
movie.

661
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,840
This sounds terrible.
We need to stop talking or

662
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Disney's going to actually make
it.

663
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,440
Or Warner Brothers.
Or whoever the hell it is they

664
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,680
they need.
Content.

665
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,320
Yeah, they they do need content.
Where do you think life is at

666
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,880
for superhero films?
Because it just feels like they

667
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,760
have had their last gasp, for
the time being at least.

668
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,000
Yeah, I still think there's
probably a couple billion dollar

669
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,920
movies waiting to be rung out of
that.

670
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,600
The whole thing, like Deadpool
this last year, just made a

671
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,080
billion dollars plus.
Did it?

672
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,800
Yeah, dude.
And it's like it wasn't a good

673
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,600
movie like.
Yeah.

674
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,120
Most of these are not good
movies.

675
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,360
And I think the thing about
superhero movies is, like, we

676
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,080
used to have superhero movies
that we all understood would be

677
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600
bad, and then we just had fun
with how bad they were.

678
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,160
And now we're expected to take
them all as, like, serious works

679
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,920
of cinema, and they're still
bad.

680
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,960
So it's like, cool, I just
watched an unenjoyably bad

681
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,480
movie.
And I think that's kind of where

682
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,120
I'm at with it.
I don't want to follow your

683
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,160
stupid TV shows.
I don't want to go into this

684
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,760
Grim Dauer experience and have
it be bad like we're we have run

685
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,240
our course.
That's where I'm at with

686
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:09,640
superhero movies.
I I think that's my problem with

687
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,360
Joker in a lot of ways, is that
I think they actually like the

688
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,000
craft of this movie is really
well done, Bob that there are so

689
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,880
many pieces of this film.
I I really truly like, it's just

690
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,480
that the entire narrative force
of this movie is like completely

691
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,720
antithetical to how I see and
understand the world.

692
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:40,040
And I also think that it's like
truly a harmful viewpoint for

693
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,160
people to think this way about
the world.

694
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,160
I like, I think it's bad for
society.

695
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,280
Well, so let's let's hone in on
that a little bit because I've

696
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,160
also been thinking of like words
like harmful and dangerous.

697
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,200
And that's kind of why I brought
up my taxi driver parallel in

698
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,280
the first half, because this is
not the first movie that tries

699
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,480
to kind of gut punch you with
the unhinged guy who has killed

700
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,720
people is actually hailed as a
hero.

701
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,960
Taxi Driver does that Clock Rick
Orange does that.

702
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:12,000
But I think going back to again
what I said in the first half,

703
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,600
those movies never pretend like
their main characters are heroic

704
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,920
and they don't use the language
of cinema.

705
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,200
To paint them as heroic.
And I think this movie does.

706
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,320
And what I can't tell is if Todd
Phillips intended that or if

707
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,080
like he accidentally made a
movie that was like a really

708
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:35,280
good rags to riches story, but
then still made that movie go

709
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,000
where it does at the end of
this.

710
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,320
And I texted you at one point
and I said maybe it's just

711
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,840
because we just reviewed Creed,
but this feels like a really

712
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,400
effed up version of Rocky.
Like it, you know, the it's set

713
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,440
around the same time as the
original Rocky.

714
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,280
There's that level of grime and
poverty.

715
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,480
But it definite like, here, let
me pull up the text I sent you

716
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,280
because I phrased it so much
better earlier.

717
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,680
Yeah.
And so I don't know if it's just

718
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,280
like the guy on the stairs thing
that you get in both Rocky or

719
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,120
Joker, but I feel like it's
presented structurally really

720
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,280
similarly to Rocky.
It's a rags to riches story.

721
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,720
It's about a guy that overcomes
the odds.

722
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,960
And no matter how much they want
you to see it as a descent into

723
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,560
madness, the way they filmed the
movie is like you're watching

724
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,880
the training montage in Rocky.
And so when Rocky goes and

725
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,920
fights Apollo Creed at the end
of the movie, even though he

726
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,040
loses, you cheer for him.
And in this movie, yes, you

727
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,360
recognize, like, on its surface
that what Arthur is doing is

728
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,120
horrific, but it's almost like
they've set you up to kind of be

729
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,200
like, well, those maybe those
people did deserve it.

730
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,600
Those people really sucked.
And that's a really, really

731
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,440
tricky and dangerous tightrope
to be walking.

732
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,600
And I don't think it does it
with much grace.

733
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,960
Yeah, you don't know my favorite
character in the movie, Thomas

734
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,440
freaking Wayne when he punches
him in the face in the bathroom.

735
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,240
Like, tell me that's not the
most John Wayne moment of a

736
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:13,480
modern film you've seen in a
while, Bob.

737
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Yeah, and The thing is, Thomas
Wayne absolutely seemed like a a

738
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,080
huge Dick and probably a bad
person.

739
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,480
You know what though?
I didn't see him murdering

740
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,880
innocent people.
So like, sure, didn't you know?

741
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,680
That's where we're at with this
movie.

742
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,840
If you put hands on my like 8
year old son as well, I'd

743
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,360
probably punch you right in the
nose too.

744
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,040
Yep.
And so that's why I wanted to

745
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,360
talk about the ending of this
movie.

746
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,720
So Joker goes on the Murray
Franklin program after Murray

747
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,840
indicates that he wants to
basically bring him on just to

748
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,280
make fun of him.
He has completely lost touch

749
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,960
with reality.
He's murdered at least five

750
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,760
people at this point and admits
to murdering people on air and

751
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,360
then shoots Robert De Niro in
the head, which apparently they

752
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,400
do not broadcast that on tape
delay.

753
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,360
It went out live to millions of
people and happened during the

754
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,120
middle of a riot, which he also
inadvertently sparked.

755
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,760
And when they saw him kill this
famous celebrity, it was the the

756
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,120
spark that lit the flame that
caused the revolution in Gotham.

757
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,640
And he is now a hero amongst the
disenfranchised in Gotham,

758
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,120
leading to a maybe reign of
terror.

759
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,640
And that's where this movie gets
really weird for me, man,

760
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,760
because I don't know how you
interpret the ending of this

761
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,680
movie as anything more than a
valorization of what he has

762
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,720
done.
Dude, he, he's pulled out of the

763
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:40,400
car like Christ, like he's laid
on the hood of an ambulance or a

764
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,920
police car.
And like the mob gathers around

765
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,360
him like, like he is their
salvation.

766
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,280
And I like, it's that scene that
makes me go, man, I don't care

767
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,800
what Todd Phillips says.
He knew what he was doing.

768
00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:01,280
Like you, you can't film that
scene and not have the audience

769
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,280
see Arthur Fleck as the hero of
the film.

770
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,400
Well, and I think it also opens
up a whole bunch of unintended

771
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,480
secondary questions of like, OK,
let's just say that he's

772
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,320
presenting him as as a hero for
these people who are already

773
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,280
angry.
And he's not necessarily

774
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,960
condoning the violence, but he's
trying to portray this is how it

775
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,880
gets when people are beat down
for too long.

776
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,520
This is what you can come to
expect.

777
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,560
I can.
If you if you want to do that,

778
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,960
Bob, go watch Do the right
thing.

779
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,120
Well, and I yeah, I was just
saying I can almost, almost

780
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,240
understand that point of view.
The problem is that you're also

781
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,720
folding in these issues of
mental health, which are done

782
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,160
really poorly and really
sloppily.

783
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,280
And you're making this person
who admits to being mentally ill

784
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,760
and we know probably
schizophrenic and has breaks

785
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,720
from reality, be the leader of
this crusade.

786
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,120
And so then the secondary
question becomes, what is Todd

787
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,760
Phillips trying to say, not
about the Joker, but about the

788
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,520
people who are worshipping him?
Are you saying like, are you,

789
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,920
are you ultimately saying that
all of the poor disenfranchised

790
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,640
people who are pissed off are
also mentally ill?

791
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,240
Because that offense?
Like it just seems like there's

792
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,000
no good way to interpret this
where characters or or even Todd

793
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,280
Phillips comes out clean at the
end of it because he wrote, he

794
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,040
writes himself such a convoluted
ending that it, it reflects

795
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,920
poorly on him and all the
characters.

796
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,400
I, I, you know, I don't know if
I'm expressing it exactly how I

797
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,760
want to, but do you know what
I'm saying?

798
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:37,320
Yeah 100% dude.
The the reality is you can't

799
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,680
walk away from this movie
feeling clean.

800
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,600
Like there is no non dirty way
to walk away from this movie.

801
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,160
Todd Phillips, for better or for
worse, Like I I read AI read a

802
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,360
quote from him saying that for
him the through line of the film

803
00:45:54,360 --> 00:46:01,600
is kindness and how it's like if
he had had just one person show

804
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,240
him true kindness, maybe this
wouldn't have happened.

805
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,680
And I'm like, dude, I'm sorry,
but like, that's not the message

806
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,640
of this movie.
Like, you created a grenade.

807
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,400
You pulled the pin out and you
put it in the hands of the

808
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,240
American public.
And when it exploded, it's kind

809
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:21,800
of like oopsies.
Yeah.

810
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,520
I wanted to give them a flower,
and instead I handed them a

811
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,320
grenade.
Right.

812
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,480
Well, in the, the metaphor I was
going to use was almost like,

813
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,600
you know, it's like they they
drilled a hole into a wall that

814
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,760
you need to stick a piece of
dynamite into and it has to be

815
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,360
placed with precision to blow
the whole thing up to collapse

816
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520
it.
And I feel like to your point

817
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,560
earlier, it is OK to make a
movie where everyone in the

818
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,960
movie is awful and you're
supposed to, as a viewer, come

819
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,360
out of it questioning how can
humanity be so terrible to each

820
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,920
other.
There are movies that do that

821
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,760
quite well and they're good
movies.

822
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,480
This movie I it just wants to
have its cake and eat it too.

823
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,320
It wants to make you think,
like, man, the world is such a

824
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,720
mean, horrible place.
But then it also wants to make

825
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:07,160
you feel not just empathy for
the Arthur character as the

826
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,080
person who's beat upon, but to
root for him as he gets one over

827
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,160
on these people through
extremely violent and horrific

828
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,160
means.
And then it's like, well, OK, is

829
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:21,200
your intent to just implicate
all of us in how horrible human

830
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,400
nature is?
Because I think even that could

831
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,280
have been done better.
It just, it's not done with

832
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,360
tact.
And in movies like a taxi

833
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,080
Driver, like A Clockwork Orange,
you take that stick of dynamite

834
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,040
and you get it put exactly where
it needs to be.

835
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,880
And it feels like, you know, you
use the grenade metaphor, I'll

836
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,000
use dynamite.
It feels like he's just kind of

837
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,280
been juggling the stick of
dynamite that he knows is going

838
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,960
to explode.
And he kind of like, lobs it up

839
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,640
against the wall.
And he's like, that's close

840
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,880
enough.
And he walks away and he lets

841
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,360
the wall get some damage done to
it, but he doesn't do it with

842
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,960
precision.
And I feel like if you're going

843
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,160
to juggle themes like this, you
have to do it so much more

844
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,240
tactfully than what we have
here.

845
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,360
Absolutely.
And I, I'm curious, I, I, I

846
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,120
don't know if you're OK with me
moving us into to let's make it

847
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:06,920
a double.
Yep.

848
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,400
But I I think for me, well.
Hold on, let's play the theme

849
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,200
song, Brad.
Hold on.

850
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,840
We're going to do.
Let's make it a double.

851
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,200
Presented by Blackwood
Distilling Company.

852
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,720
We're.
Near the end of the episode.

853
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,400
So thanks listening to the film
and whiskey show.

854
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,120
Let's have another film with
this one.

855
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,360
Even if it's struggling.
It's the final segment of the

856
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,800
dinner.
Let's make it a double.

857
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,840
Let's Make It a double Is the
part of the show where we pick a

858
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,600
movie to Paris up with this one
to make the perfect double

859
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,720
feature.
Brad, you were on a roll.

860
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:36,080
I, I didn't mean to interrupt
you there, but you go ahead and

861
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,720
share your double feature with
us.

862
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,120
I I'm going to pair it with a
movie that I think does what

863
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,200
Todd Phillips is trying to do.
Maybe not in the same like vein.

864
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,120
They're not.
The two movies are not trying to

865
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,160
say the same thing, but I think
they both have a slightly

866
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,840
nihilistic view of the world.
I'm going to pair this with

867
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,600
American Beauty.
Interesting.

868
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,000
I I I think both films have
artistic merit.

869
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:08,160
The story that they are trying
to tell can be interesting at

870
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,160
points.
I just think that American

871
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:17,400
Beauty does the whole
examination of like the thin

872
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:23,840
veneer of the American suburban
dream way better than Joker does

873
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:31,040
the harshness of modern society,
if you could say that that's

874
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,920
what he's fighting against.
I think they're both trying to

875
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,920
get at like the rot that is at
the core of America as they see

876
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,960
it.
But you're right, I think that

877
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,640
American Beauty does it better.
And this movie if if what you're

878
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,960
looking at is the quote UN quote
rot, this movie starts with them

879
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,640
in like 1970s New York City
basically where it's like the

880
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,400
dirtiest a city has ever been.
You're already in the rot.

881
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,120
And so it doesn't really feel
like they have to work that hard

882
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,080
to convince you of like,
everyone's on edge, everyone's

883
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,680
crazy, you know.
So I'm, I'm with you, man.

884
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,720
Now that you've explained it, I
like that pairing for mine.

885
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,080
I'm going to go ahead and pair
it with a movie that I also

886
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,320
don't think accomplishes what it
wants to in terms of its social

887
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,680
critique, and also a movie
that's been misinterpreted by

888
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,640
Bros and brought into the fold
among them and and kind of

889
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,600
worshipped among them.
And that is a movie called Fight

890
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,880
Club Bob.
You you know the number one

891
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,960
rule.
You don't talk about Fight Club

892
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,000
I, I will talk about it 'cause I
think it's not that good of a

893
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,440
movie and.
I think I think you're

894
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,640
ridiculous.
If I've ever given an opinion

895
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,240
that most people disagree on, it
is it's my Fight Club opinion.

896
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,560
But I feel pretty similar about
both these movies where it's

897
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,760
like you're really playing with
fire here.

898
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,720
And sometimes it's fun and
gleeful to play with fire and

899
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:48,120
not care about the consequences.
But sometimes it's like you can

900
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:55,880
see the angry men of America
wanting to hold on to this thing

901
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,120
and misinterpret it.
And that can be very dangerous

902
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,640
sometimes.
And so this this reminds me of

903
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,160
Fight Club in a lot of ways.
I will say, Brad, as we Segway

904
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,000
out of Let's Make It a Double
and closer to final scores, I

905
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,560
think this is a better movie
than Fight Club.

906
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,960
And for all the complaining I've
done, I think this is like a

907
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,080
pretty good movie.
Would you agree?

908
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,800
I would agree.
I like the first time I saw this

909
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,080
I probably was at like A7 7 1/2
out of 10.

910
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,840
I think I've come down a little
bit because I just have a hard

911
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:36,840
time assigning value to artistic
merit when I think the message

912
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,400
itself is just, yeah, gross.
Yeah.

913
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,680
You know, so I think I'm going
to come down a little bit.

914
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,240
I do think that there are a lot
of parts of this movie that are

915
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,040
incredibly well done.
I I think that the color palette

916
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,120
for the film is actually like,
great.

917
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,400
Like, I, I think whoever
designed the sets and the

918
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,520
costumes, they really had a good
eye for what Todd Phillips was

919
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,760
looking for.
I do think Joaquin Phoenix is

920
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,720
incredible.
I do too.

921
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,560
I think he's really good man.
That I, I looked at the other

922
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,120
best actor candidates from this
year and that like there are a

923
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,080
few other performances that I
think are incredible and maybe

924
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,480
deserving of it, but it makes a
lot of sense that he received

925
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,800
this this year.
All right, so before you give a

926
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,200
final score, let's say goodbye
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927
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,040
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933
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,000
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935
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936
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937
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938
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939
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incredible toasted products.
We're going to get into final

940
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,200
scores here.
I just want to remind you, Brad,

941
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,280
that this year, 2019, the year
cinema died, apparently,

942
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,080
according to Tarantino.
What a freaking lineup.

943
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,240
Here's the Best picture lineup
from the 2019 squad.

944
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,720
Parasite wins the Oscar Ford
versus Ferrari, The Irishman,

945
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:38,960
JoJo Rabbit, Joker, Little
Women, Marriage Story 1917 and

946
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:44,440
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
unbelievable lineup of movies I

947
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,680
I forgot about marriage story,
one of my favorite movies of all

948
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,560
time and then I saw it here and
I was like, Oh my.

949
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:54,200
Gosh, dude, do you think Adam
Driver because he was also

950
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,560
nominated, do you think he
deserves it over Joaquin?

951
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,840
No, see, that's a question of
head or heart.

952
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,080
I would say yes, just because I
love that movie so much.

953
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,360
But I like, I really do.
I have no qualms with Joaquin

954
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,960
winning this Oscar.
Yeah, I I don't think I do

955
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,760
either.
He he really poured his heart

956
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,320
and soul in and from what I've
heard, he's like kind of a

957
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,960
method actor, but also still
like overall a really nice guy

958
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,280
on set.
So it seems like he kind of has

959
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:26,000
the best of both worlds.
There you go, just like us, with

960
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,280
me and you as the hosts on Phil
and Whiskey Brad.

961
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,560
I'm going to give this movie A7
out of 10.

962
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,240
I think I could go higher, like
a 7.5 doesn't seem unreasonable

963
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:41,240
to me, but I think it's so
mishandles the really delicate

964
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,840
balance you have to achieve with
the themes they're working with

965
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,840
that I give it a seven more on
like ethical grounds than

966
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,440
anything else.
I don't think I can go any

967
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,320
higher than that.
Does that make sense?

968
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,840
Yeah, 100%.
The I think he's the lead guy at

969
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:02,200
Ebert wrote a review on this and
he said a phrase that I really

970
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,040
liked.
He said that this movie is

971
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,320
unforgivably, opportunistically
nihilistic.

972
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,160
And I'm like, I I think that is
a perfect summation of this

973
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,680
movie.
I can't get down with it.

974
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:22,080
I think like artistically it's
like an 8 out of 10 morality and

975
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,240
like heroization of the main
character is like a 2 out of 10.

976
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:30,080
I'll land at a six Bob A.
Six.

977
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,160
OK, all right, well, we're
putting ourselves in the

978
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,560
crosshair of a bunch of Bros
that really love this movie

979
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,840
because we're coming out to a
6.5 on average, but we'd like to

980
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,160
know what you think.
Joker seems to be a beloved

981
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,560
movie by a lot of people, and it
seems to be accepted into comic

982
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,800
book Canon even though it is not
even remotely related to any

983
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,360
comic books.
So reach out to us.

984
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,040
Tell us what you think.
Is this a modern classic?

985
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,680
Oh, you know, usually I I get
upset when you cut me off mid

986
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,920
sentence, but you've got a
really good job of reminding me

987
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,560
all the things I've forgotten
today.

988
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,200
I keep forgetting to ask the
most important questions.

989
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,080
No, it's not.
I this is the closest I would

990
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,280
come to saying yes on a movie
I've scored this low, but I am

991
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,920
going to say no more on
principle than anything else.

992
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,200
I I think tons of people would
say yes.

993
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,640
Yeah, I think principle is the
thing that like, it's unfair for

994
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,120
me to say no because if it's a
classic, it's a classic even if

995
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,680
I don't like it.
But I will say, the goodwill

996
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,440
towards this movie has
dissipated a lot in the wake of

997
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,280
how much people hated that
second movie.

998
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,200
I think over time people will
like revisit the first one and

999
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,000
be like, OK, it's not so bad
after all.

1000
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,200
But even the people that love
this movie hated the second one

1001
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,680
so much that I think we're in a
real Joker rut right now.

1002
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,160
So for now, and to cover over
the fact that this is just my

1003
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,800
own feelings, I'm going to say
no.

1004
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,960
But once again folks, you can
let us know what you think of

1005
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,880
Brad and my own scoring system
for whether or not something

1006
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,920
could be a classic by reaching
out to us on social media,

1007
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:11,320
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
Tiktok or YouTube at Film

1008
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,400
Whiskey.
Or if you want to talk to us

1009
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,400
directly about it, you can join
our Discord server where we are

1010
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,400
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1011
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,360
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So if you want to join us, you

1012
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,400
can find a link at the end of
every single one of our show

1013
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,440
notes.
Brad, we've had to reshuffle a

1014
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,560
little bit with our line up here
and it looks like the next movie

1015
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,120
on our list is supposed to be
The Wolf of Wall Street, which

1016
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,320
we will get to in time.
I think I need a palate cleanser

1017
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,800
after Joker, so I'm going to
call Wolf.

1018
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Of Wall Street.
Isn't it?

1019
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,400
I mean, if we were, if we were
cleansing our palates with

1020
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,720
copious amounts of cocaine, then
sure, Yeah.

1021
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,960
But I'm going to say let's slot
back in Inside Out for next

1022
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,720
week.
We'll do a Pixar week, and then

1023
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,800
we will return to the world of
debauchery for The Wolf of Wall

1024
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Street.
What do you say?

1025
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:02,440
Pour inside out man, it is just
like squashed between two

1026
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,880
hookers right now.
You, dude, you're telling me,

1027
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,080
man.
All right, so next week we're

1028
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:09,600
going to do some Pixar.
We're going to cleanse our

1029
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,080
palates.
We're going to come up for air a

1030
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,160
little bit before diving back in
the cesspool.

1031
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,960
So we will see you next week for
Inside Out, but until then, I'm

1032
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,920
Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1033
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,480
And we'll see you next time.