Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull / Watershed Pinot Noir Finished Bourbon

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In 2008, director Steven
Spielberg and star Harrison Ford

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gave the world a flat reboot of
a storied franchise.

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In 2024, we try a whiskey we
know absolutely nothing about.

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The film is Indiana Jones and
the Kingdom of the Crystal

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Skull.
The whiskey is Watershed Pinot

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Noir finished bourbon.
Did you just say Quinoa Noir?

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No, I said.
Pinot noir.

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Quinoa Noir.
Grainy.

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And we'll review them both this
is.

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The Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm quinoa.
G Yeah, it's a good day for

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nicknames, man.
Indiana Jones, Quinoa G.

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That's I'm ready, man.
Quinoa G sounds like the worst

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90s rapper of all time.
I can't even deny it.

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That's that's pretty rough, man.
And today we're watching 2008's

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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of
the Crystal Skull.

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Now Brad coming off of last
week's movie, Transformers,

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which has a lot of overlap with
this movie.

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Transformers produced by Steven
Spielberg.

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This movie directed by Steven
Spielberg, both Co starring Shia

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LaBeouf.
We we talked last week about how

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happy we were that the title
Transformers was just

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Transformers and they had no
extraneous words.

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They made-up for it this week,
my friend.

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What's the Kingdom here?
Why are we not just calling it

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Indiana Jones and the Crystal
Skull?

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Like, what a freaking dope name
that would be?

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What are we doing here?
I I think that that raises the

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final, my final score on this by
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Or just cut it off at Indiana
Jones and the Kingdom of.

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That's it.
That, yeah.

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Dot. dot. dot of of what?
It's an.

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It's a mystery.
We have to.

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Go see the movie now.
Yeah, exactly.

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Oh that dude.
We should be in marketing that.

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That would be a heck of a a
movie poster.

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Like remember back in the day
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and there all the posters would
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If, like an early poster, would
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Kingdom.
Of dot dot dot Brad, do you do

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you not think they put posters
outside of the movie theater

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anymore?
I don't go to the movies.

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I I know.
And that's what qualifies you to

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host this movie related podcast.
You're welcome, America.

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I know you don't watch movies
either.

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Folks, welcome into the show.
If this is your first time

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joining us with film and
whiskey, we want to say hi.

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Hello.
Thanks for joining us for the

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4th Indiana Jones movie.
You can go back and listen to

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our first Indiana Jones review
which was Raiders of the Lost

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Ark.
We have not reviewed the second

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or third Indiana Jones movie
because this season is screwing

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us up, Brad, in terms of how we
review our series of films, What

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we're doing this season is we're
looking at the highest grossing

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films from 1988 all the way up
through 2019.

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So we're getting.
What we're doing.

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Yeah, we're getting closer and
closer to the end here, Brad,

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which I don't know if I would
call that something to celebrate

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or if it's, you know, not going
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Yeah, I didn't even know that we
were reviewing the top person

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films, Bob.
You just show up and do what I

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tell you.
I'm still stuck on that I it

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makes sense now why every week
I've I've progressed a year and

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you know my in 2006 seven.
This is all.

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It's all coming together.
My.

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Friend, all news to you, Brad,
we are.

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I mean, I guess we're like, what
we're 20 years in now, 21

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episodes into this, this season.
So from Rain Man to Crystal

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Skull, we have really run the
gamut here.

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What's your impression of what
was on America's mind for these

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20 years that we've watched,
Brad?

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Oh man.
If I had to summarize it, I

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would say it's Russia and then
America being awesome because

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because America is awesome.
And then fantasy.

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Jesus and then more fantasy.
And then there was that one year

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that we all really liked nuns
and that was that was it.

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You know, like, it's like, it's
like in the late 90s when Swing

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came back for a hot 2nd and you
had like zoot, Zoot Riot.

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It's like that, but with nuns.
Yeah, yeah, 92, man.

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It's a great year.
All right, dude, let's get into

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talking about Crystal Skull, as
I'm going to keep calling it

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because I'm not referring to it
by this full title.

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This is Assassination of Jesse
James Blank.

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OK, Brad, had you seen this
movie before this?

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Watch through.
Yes, exactly one time, because I

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think that would have been the
right amount of times to have

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seen this movie.
At the end of last week's

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episode, you did say that you'd
seen it at least once and you

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didn't like it.
And I was worried that you were

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going to watch it again and not
like it again because my guy

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Brad G can get a little bit.
What's the word Brad Petulant

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with films that he does not
like?

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That is a strong, strong take on
how I interact with films.

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I do not view favor.
You don't find yourself to be

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even a little petty sometimes.
When, when never when you're

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grouchy about the movie.
I give movies honest scores.

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That America deserves to hear.
That's true.

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It sounds like this one's not
going to get a very high score

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from you yet again, Brad, no.
It's not.

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This movie sucks, bro.
I'm in a I'm in a slightly

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different spot.
I don't think this is what I

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would call a great film.
I don't.

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Even think that it slightly
sucks, America.

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Yeah, it's.
It's mad.

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It's a pretty mad movie.
I did think that the 1st 40 ish

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minutes of this movie were
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They moved like gangbusters.
It was some of the fastest paced

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filmmaking I've ever seen
Spielberg do, and it really

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hurdles you from one scene to
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And then they get on a plane to
go to Peru and everything that

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happens after that gets
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So Brad, if you don't mind
before we even jump into Brad

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explains I I'm going to run this
by you as a guy who clearly did

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not like the entirety of the
movie.

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I did like part of it and I
would like for us to kind of

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let's let's spend the first part
of the episode talking about the

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first part of the movie so we
can say some positive things or

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at least one of us can, but.
I was going to say we that is

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that is quite the assumption
there.

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And then I will let your totally
not petulant side take over in

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the second-half.
Is that fair?

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Yes.
Yeah.

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Very, very even keeled.
Yeah.

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Even keeled.
Yeah, no, this is.

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I'm ready, man.
Has have you ever heard the

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phrase even keel?
Like has has keeled ever come up

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when it's not even?
Because anybody said like that's

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real odd keeled right now.
I this is probably completely

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wrong.
The word that popped in my brain

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was being off kilter, which
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keeled off kilter.
I don't know if it is I I could

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be completely guessing.
Well with that I have never

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heard.
Yeah, I've never heard keeled be

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talked about.
With that sort of knowledge

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base, it's time for us to get
into our first segment of the

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day, which we call, Brad
explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we
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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
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This was Brad's second time with
Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of

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the Crystal Skull, which means
it is nearer the top of his list

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on most re watched films now.
So Brad, you have one minute to

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spoil this movie and go.
I don't want to explain this

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movie.
It's not that bad, come on.

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Oh man, Indiana Jones and the
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is

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a film.
Undoubtedly it made money at the

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box office some.
Bob, I'm still amazed that we

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are watching this as the highest
grossing film of this year.

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Was this just a garbage year for
movies we've watched?

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The Dark Knight already.
Oh, that's right.

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OK, that's good to hear.
Here's here's the thing.

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Crystal Skull is about Indiana
Jones getting kidnapped like 7

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times by the Russians and forced
to do their dirty business as

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they seek this telepathic
Crystal skull ability so that

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they can control the minds of
their enemies and they go to

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South America and they find
aliens.

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Boom.
The end.

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Most most importantly, I don't
mean to immediately steer away,

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but you said dirty business,
which is a phrase I've never

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heard.
I've heard dirty work and I've

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heard like business or just
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Do their business, giving them
the business.

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But never do their dirty
business.

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And it makes it sound like he
became some sort of weird sex

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slave for the Russians.
And I just want to say, folks,

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that is not what happens in this
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It sounds like Brad may have
actually found that to be more

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interesting than the movie that
he got, though.

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I mean, you wouldn't be Cate
Blanchett's weird Russian

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accent.
No, that's no, absolutely not.

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I I know what you're into.
I'm I am into Cate Blanchett.

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You know this about me.
One of my all time all time

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movie crushes.
I I think you're more into Cate

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Blanchett from The Aviator.
If I had to, I.

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Do like the Hepburnian version
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Yeah.
OK, so, Brad, I I want to start

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by asking you a question, and it
has to do with Indiana Jones as

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a series.
There's definitely been some ups

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and downs to the series people.
You know Raiders is considered

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one of the greatest films ever
made and then Temple of Doom has

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its followers but is always
considered a big step down and

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then kind of a return to form
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You know what, what did we get a
20 year break almost before

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Crystal Skull comes out and
people say Crystal Skull ruined

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the series and blah blah blah.
So we're dealing with a movie

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here that reputationally is kind
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dealt with with The Phantom
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I think The Phantom Menace has
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since, but for a long, long
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I mean, even you, Brad, as a fan
of Star Wars knows that it had a

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lot of obstacles to overcome to
become the beloved film that it

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is now.
And and this, this is kind of

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similar.
What I find to be interesting is

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like Indiana Jones was always
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stupid short serial films that
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You know, at a double bill in
the 1950s throwing all the way

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back to 1930s films.
You get a lot of that with

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Raiders.
With, with characters like, with

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the names like Mutt Williams.
Yes.

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And so when you get to this
movie now, we're set in the

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1950s and it's very clear that
Spielberg is trying to throw

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back to those 1950s teeny bopper
movies and parts of it, but also

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the cheesy science fiction films
of the 50s.

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And I think that if you go into
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is clearly designed to be as
cheesy as the films that it is

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ripping off or paying homage to,
I don't think I had a bad time

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watching it.
Whether or not it's a good movie

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is a different question.
But I guess my my question to

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you, Brad, is why do you think
we accept the homage to certain

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films that Indiana Jones does,
but that this movie doesn't work

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with the kind of films it's
paying homage to?

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Does that make sense?
Yeah, it does.

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I think for me, Oh, you're going
to love this analogy.

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Bob, Are you ready?
So you talked about cheese a

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minute ago, and I agree with
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This movie has cheese galore.
The problem with too much cheese

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in your personal diet or in your
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everything.
Everything ends up feeling,

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feeling forced.
And I think, I think that's.

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I think that's the problem with
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It just feels forced, like every
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lines in the most stilted,
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The action scenes feel forced.
The the music doesn't, I don't

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know, inspire the same highs as
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There's just a lot that felt and
I I don't know, honestly Bob, I

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think these might be the most
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film.
Like it just didn't really work

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for me super well.
There there are individual

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moments that had some impetus
and meaning and and felt like it

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was going somewhere, but they
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more the characters talked.
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problem, is is not that it's
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little too much.
Would you say that I keep

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thinking of like, the word
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Like Spielberg's trying to be
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lot of places.
And I don't just mean cute, like

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pandering, but I mean like, he
comes up with the most contrived

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ways to get his characters out
of trouble.

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And that's always been a thing
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But it seems like this time it's
especially like winking at the

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camera about it and he's trying
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a little bit.
And yeah, I'm with you, man.

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Everything from the like CGI
Gophers at the beginning of the

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movie.
You know, find.

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Find a real Gopher.
You're Steven freaking Spielberg

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Like.
You can't get me a trained

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Gopher on set here.
Hey, what's going on, man?

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I don't so much mind the
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I think it does tip off like,
oh, we're going to go to this

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kind of territory with this
movie, you know, And it reminds

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me of the scene with the the
monkey brains in Temple of Doom

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where Kate Capshaw sees them and
then falls over and faints and

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it's like it's so over the top.
It's so goofy, so cheesy.

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This movie definitely has a lot
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DNA with Temple of Doom.
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interesting about it, Brad, is
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it's actually probably the most
similar to Raiders, where you

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find out exactly what they're
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movie.
And the bad guys get their hands

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on it really early in the movie.
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like walking around either the
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here, fumbling the thing.
Different people pick it up and

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then at the end it gets cracked
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and bad things happen.
But I spent.

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A good I was.
Going to say I spent a good

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amount of time trying to figure
out why does this exact formula

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work so much better in Raiders
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It just feels.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Like, you can't just say, oh, it
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it's it's very clearly trying to
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I just think that there's
diminishing returns this time

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and a lot of people have.
Go ahead.

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Sorry.
That that's the honest truth,

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Bob.
There are diminishing returns on

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returning to the same, well, you
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to something a little more
modern, I would look at the The

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Force Awakens, right.
Episode 7.

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Like, I walked away from that
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pretty solid.
I'm curious to see where they go

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with the trilogy.
But it felt like a remake of A

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New Hope and and you can only
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especially when you know a few
of your main actors are so much

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older than they used to be.
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And I and that's kind of where
we're at here with with Indiana

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Jones in the Kingdom of the
Crystal Crystal Skull.

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Is that what it's called, Bob?
Is that the full final?

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I think so, yeah.
Oh, OK.

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All right, man, let's look at
the roster here, starting from

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the top.
Harrison Ford returns.

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And it's funny because, you
know, I just saw the most recent

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Indiana Jones that came out last
year in the theater, and my guy

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is 111 years old now.
And so to go back another 15-16

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years and watch this one where
he's already being commented on

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as being an old man because he
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He's like 65 years old I think
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But I'm like, wow, Harrison Ford
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He looks young.
Look how sprightly he looks.

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You know, Harrison Ford, even at
65, it it's kind of like the

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Clint Eastwood thing where
you're like, I I get it.

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I get why people would still
fall in love with you.

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Harrison Ford, he is an
incredibly good looking man.

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He still moves pretty well in
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I can see him doing a couple
stunts in this movie.

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You know, there's obviously some
stuntmen where they're like

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showing the back of his head and
you know, it's not Harrison

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Ford, but he's, he's still
moving around at a good clip in

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this movie and I think that he
brings every ounce of that

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Harrison Ford charm.
They keep putting him in

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situations where it's like, oh,
Harrison Ford is going to bail

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out this movie just by being
Harrison Ford.

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And then it gets bogged down in
the actual details of the movie

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again.
And I feel like they keep

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getting away from just let
Harrison Ford be funny and

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charming because that's why
we're here.

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Yes, yeah, I I am with you on
that.

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I think that Harrison at select
small moments throughout the

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movie, you can feel his sarcasm
coming through and it's perfect

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and it it kind of cuts against
the grain of what the movie is

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going for.
But in a way that makes me go,

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oh, I wish there was more of
that and less of Shia LaBeouf

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and less of Cate Blanchett
giving just a All Star Russian

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accent.
Oh my.

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Gosh, it is so good, So good.
Just so So.

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Goods.
So many goods.

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I have to ask.
OK, this is a really specific

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question, but.
Oh, I love really specific.

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I mean it just bothered me the
whole movie, The way she says

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the word Jones.
Yes, because it's like she I

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can't tell if if she maybe like
studied real Russian and they do

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this weird long O thing or if
she's just slipping back into

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being British, but only in that
word because she'll be like, you

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know you will come with us to
Russia, Mr. Jones.

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It just becomes this weird, like
OU umlaut type sound every time

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she says it.
And it drove me crazy the whole

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movie.
Brad.

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It's incredible.
I'm here for it.

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Man, the the cheese on her
Russian accent is what put the

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movie over the top.
And yet, I think if you isolated

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it, it's like a thing of glory.
Here's my hot take.

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She's not cheesy enough in this
movie.

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She needs to chew 10 times more
scenery than she does.

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She comes in and she like she's
got the like.

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I'm a badass with my tight
fitting clothes and my horrible

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looking haircut, and she needs
to be like, either over the top,

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like sex pot, You know, kind of
like a what was the Golden eye

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villain?
I was just, you know.

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What I mean, like she needs to
be like that or she needs to be,

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yes.
Or she needs to be like a John

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Malkovich character.
She needs to be one of the two

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and she has a couple moments
where.

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Like now I just want to see that
her role recast still as a

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woman.
But just John Malkovich.

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Same like the wig and
everything, yeah.

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Yes.
She has a moment in the movie

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where Harrison Ford says
something to her like you win or

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something and she goes, I
usually do and I'm like, see, we

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need more of those.
We need more of like Bond

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villain vibes from you.
And I think she's, she's trying

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to be over the top but also play
her role, like she's taking it

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seriously.
And it's once again like you

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can't have it both ways, Kate,
you got to choose one.

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And I think that the movie is so
ridiculous and cheesy that it

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needed her to be a little bit
more.

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Like Nicolas Cage level over the
top.

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Yeah, maybe that would have, you
know, been the It's kind of like

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a joke that gets old, gets old,
gets old, but then it comes back

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around.
It's funny again.

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Like maybe this just needed that
much more cheese in its life to

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push you from straining to just
very loose to the.

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Floodgates opening just.
Moving.

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To just straight Velveeta baby.
OK, we're jumping all over the

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place.
But I want to talk about Shia

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LaBeouf 'cause we obviously
talked about him last week with

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Transformers.
You didn't really like his

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character there and I'll I
didn't think he was really

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perfectly cast for that movie.
He has gotten a lot of crap for

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his role as Mutt in this movie.
I think that again, it reminds

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me of the kind of Jar Jar level
hate where it doesn't really

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make sense why people hate him
so much.

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I think most people just pushed
back on the fact that we tried

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to just insert a kid into
Indiana Jones's life and that

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they were toying with the
audience and of like a Will he

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take on the mantle?
Will he not take on the mantle?

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I got to be.
Honest with you?

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Spoiler alert, he doesn't.
He does not.

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They snatched that hat back real
quick at the end of the movie,

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which I thought was a funny
touch.

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I really liked that ending, but
separated from the film by 16

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years.
I guess I just don't understand

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it.
I think that first of all, I

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think Shia Labeouf's really good
in this movie and I also don't

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mind his character.
I do think that there are a

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number of scenes where the I'm
griping with my dad thing goes

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on way too long.
But that's more of a writing

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issue, and I don't think that
there's I I thought they had

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great chemistry, I thought they
played off each other well, and

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like overall, I found him to be
a really great addition to the

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movie.
I think that after these two

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weeks I find myself in a place
similar with like a Nicolas

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Cage, where it's like great
actor, but who the heck is his

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agent 'cause I I feel like he is
a really sincere, earnest actor,

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at least at this stage of his
career.

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And I I'm with you, Bob, I
actually really like Shia

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LaBeouf.
After watching him two weeks in

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a row, I I think he's a very
honest actor.

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I think the problem is the
script has him swinging through

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the friggin jungle like on vines
with a like 80 Monkeys.

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That's another.
That's another moment though,

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Brad, where you know, I I've
been in movies like that where

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you go, I can't believe they did
that.

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I can't believe they did.
They had this moment.

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You've been acting in movies.
I've been in the movie.

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Yeah.
And I've been like, Oh my gosh,

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what am I doing with these
monkeys?

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But then again, like, you hear
the fable of the movie over the

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years and it's like, that's the
movie where they swing with

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monkeys.
That's the movie where Jar Jar

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Binks does this.
And then you watch it and you're

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like, wait, that's the thing
that got people that like, yes,

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like that. 8 seconds long.
It's really bad.

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It's terrible.
But like, in the grand scheme of

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the movie, like, OK, I I feel
like I can overlook this a

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little bit.
It's it's definitely Spielberg

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overstepping in the cute, cutesy
department.

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Yeah, but again, like, the
opposite.

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Sorry you.
Get the opposite in a lot of

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movies, too.
Like, I I just watched Joker

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recently and I know that there's
the famous scene when he's like

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dancing his way down the stairs.
And I got to it and I was kind

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of like, oh, that that's, that's
it, that that's what everybody

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lost their mind over.
Also, you you think that scenes

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coming and it's going to be like
this really emotional moment, or

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like a moment that's like
disturbing, but then you realize

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that they're playing the Gary
Glitter song over the

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background.
Yep.

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And I'm like, wait a minute.
Of all the songs that I could

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have imagined, in my mind he was
dancing too.

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That would not be the one.
No, not not at all.

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I I think about like, going to
watch the Cavs as a child in the

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90s when I hear that song.
Maybe that's where he was going

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and then he just got derailed a
little bit.

447
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,200
Yeah, yeah, no big deal all.
Right.

448
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,080
Indiana Jones.
Other people in this movie,

449
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,280
we've talked about Cate
Blanchett.

450
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,120
We've talked about Shia LaBeouf
and Harrison Ford.

451
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,720
You've got Ray Winstone making
an appearance.

452
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,280
Not as Mr. Gopher this week, but
as Indies old sidekick.

453
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560
What's his name?
And he's fine.

454
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,840
It's like your classic Indiana
Jones.

455
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,080
I used to know you and now I'm.
I'm double crossing you kind of

456
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,000
character.
Crossing.

457
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,080
Yes, but what turned out to be
single crossing?

458
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:49,280
Dude, it's moments like that
where, like Harrison Ford, like,

459
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,000
holds his hands up and starts
like with his fingers counting

460
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,400
out how many times he's betrayed
somebody.

461
00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:01,040
And the way he does it just
feels awkward and weird.

462
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,040
And I'm like, I I don't know
what what you're going for here.

463
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,920
I saw the joke that you're about
to make like 18 seconds before

464
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,400
you made it like it.
It's it's not good writing.

465
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:12,520
I know.
Any.

466
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,520
Is there anybody else you want
to talk about in the cast?

467
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,880
Because I do want to kind of
focus on the first part of the

468
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,160
movie that I liked.
But I feel like the farther down

469
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,200
the cast list I get, the more
these people show up in the back

470
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,960
part of the movie and the more I
don't like them.

471
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,400
Like Jon Hurt, one of our great
actors who just has an absolute

472
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,480
nothing burger of a performance
here.

473
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,440
It's really tragic, but are you
OK with, like, reserving those

474
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,480
opinions until we get to that
part of the movie?

475
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,560
Yeah, that's fine, I have to
comment.

476
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:47,360
At the start of the film, like,
he shows up for all of .7

477
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,520
seconds.
There's an actor named Pasha D

478
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,800
Lichnikov who just runs in front
of the camera as a Russian

479
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,800
soldier #17 and I saw him and I
was like, I don't know what he's

480
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,240
from, but I recognize him.
He is from something.

481
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,200
And I thought he was going to be
like, you know, like one of the

482
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,960
C tier characters in the film,
like the Russian soldier that

483
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,240
indie keeps fighting.
And then he never appeared

484
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,160
again.
And I was a little sad because I

485
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,760
I recognized them and I wanted
to be rewarded for that.

486
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,080
That's one of Brad's favorite
performances in this film.

487
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,480
It was dude.
He was really good.

488
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,080
He he ran across the screen and
yelled something in Russian and

489
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,120
and that was.
It was unbelievable.

490
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,720
Yeah, it.
Was so good.

491
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,840
I love the 1st 25 ish minutes of
this movie.

492
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,560
Brad like love it.
I was having the time of my

493
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,640
life.
This movie starts off with an

494
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
empty expanse of Hwy. we're
We're in the middle of nowhere

495
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,080
and you get these teenagers out
for a joyride in their hot rod

496
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,920
and they start racing against a
military convoy.

497
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,840
And it's this stupid,
unnecessary scene where

498
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,880
Spielberg's like, look at all
the shit I can do with a camera.

499
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,400
And you have one of the coolest
shots I've ever seen in a

500
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,560
Spielberg movie where it starts
from directly outside the car

501
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,560
and you're looking basically
like adjacent to the back seat

502
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,480
into the side mirror.
And you see the driver who's

503
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,440
looking behind him.
And then the camera swings into

504
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,640
the car and from inside the car
it's still pointed at the mirror

505
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,800
and you see the people coming up
behind them.

506
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,400
And I have to this day, I have
no idea how they pulled off that

507
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,040
shot.
But there is just shot after

508
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,200
shot after shot in this opening
40 ish minutes where it's like

509
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,640
you can tell Spielberg
storyboarded everything and

510
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,240
every single shot is so
perfectly composed and so

511
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,640
technically brilliant and it's
lit so well that I'm like this

512
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,320
is going to be, I'm going to
come into this episode like you

513
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,560
guys are missing out on a
masterpiece.

514
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,520
And Brad, like I said, they get
to the point where they go to

515
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Peru and then Spielberg's, like,
now everything's going to be

516
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,200
made by a computer and the movie
goes so far downhill.

517
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,240
But I don't know what it is
about that first third of the

518
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,080
film.
It was like masterfully made

519
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,320
movie making.
And like, regardless of what you

520
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,040
think of the script of this
movie, I guess I'm wondering,

521
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,920
did did you notice the craft, at
least in the early part of this

522
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,480
movie?
Everything in in me just wants

523
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:31,960
to piss you off and just go Nah.
But I will say the the first

524
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,920
time watching this through
'cause you you had me go back

525
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,520
and rewatch the 1st 10 minutes
to see if if it stood up to your

526
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,680
evaluation.
And I I, without that being in

527
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,840
my brain, I didn't notice it the
first time through.

528
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Like the the opening scene I
thought was well done.

529
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,440
I think that it was really
beautiful.

530
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,760
The the shots that you get of
the Nevada wilderness and the

531
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,560
cars driving and and all of that
was interesting.

532
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,080
The to me, the teenage car just
drove me nuts a little bit,

533
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,320
like, I don't know if people
just drove differently back then

534
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,000
but getting run off the road
onto the side, into the desert

535
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,440
wouldn't lead me to like re jump
onto the road and fly up ahead

536
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,360
of everybody.
It just felt like a weird.

537
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Again, like I I do think there's
a difference between like is

538
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,400
this working on a story level
and is Spielberg just like

539
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,240
having a field day, being the
best person to ever use a

540
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,920
camera.
And and I think that if you're

541
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,000
like, if you're watching the
movie just for like, you know

542
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,480
what most people would be which
is like a surface level.

543
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,280
I just want to be entertained.
Like there's entertaining parts

544
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,720
to it but it's also absolutely
baffling some of the things that

545
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,880
happened in this movie.
I I'm the first person to say

546
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,840
that.
I just think that this time

547
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,760
through and maybe it's the the
guy who's been so beaten down by

548
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,600
MCU movies and even the most
recent indie movie, which I

549
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,600
think is a better movie than
this, but it just doesn't have

550
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,760
the craftsmanship.
There is so many shots in this

551
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,760
movie where if you're just
watching it, you would swear,

552
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,000
all right, this guy said
something, then they cut to this

553
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,640
person and then they're cutting
back and now you know, blah,

554
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,200
blah, blah.
And then I I would say no hit,

555
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,480
pause, go back 10 seconds and
watch that shot again and you

556
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,040
realize it was all a Warner.
Spielberg just has the camera

557
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,880
here, and the camera pulls back
a little bit to reveal a second

558
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,600
person, and then it pushes in on
that.

559
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,520
And then they pull back and now
it's a two shot.

560
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,960
And it's just every shot is so
meticulously planned that I

561
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,120
found myself just, like, giddy
from watching this dude be like,

562
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,640
yeah, this movie's shitty, but
watch what I can do with it.

563
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,800
It's like he almost pulled it
off too, you know?

564
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:50,040
Yeah, I think for me, I really
enjoyed the Nuketown scene where

565
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,480
it it's following Harrison
around this town that has been

566
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,080
built to see what happens when
an American town gets hit by a

567
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,040
nuclear bomb and like that.
Like that scene just was well

568
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880
done and and it felt like a part
of the movie where there was no

569
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,800
CGI.
It slowed down a little bit.

570
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,360
It let Harrison be almost like a
fugitive.

571
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,760
Oh, what's the 80s movie that
you don't like?

572
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,760
I don't know.
With with with Harrison.

573
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,680
No with Harrison.
The the, the cybernetic people

574
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,600
that, oh, Blade Runner, Blade
Runner.

575
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,640
It it feels like a Blade Runner
fugitive, Harrison, like

576
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,360
wandering around this abandoned
town and not knowing what to do

577
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,960
next.
And then the moment of panic on

578
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,240
his face is you realize they're
about to test the nuclear bomb.

579
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,440
I have to find a solution.
Like, those are the moments with

580
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Harrison that I'm like, oh, this
is the Harrison Ford I know and

581
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,560
love and I think Spielberg is
using to his maximum.

582
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,640
And then he puts him in a CGI
refrigerator and shoots him, you

583
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,240
know, 18 football fields away.
And it's another one of those

584
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,840
famously bad scenes.
Yeah.

585
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,960
And then well, and that's the
one that I'm like, I don't know

586
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,640
that you actually recover from
this one and it happens like 20

587
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,040
minutes into the movie and it's
just so unnecessary.

588
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,640
It has nothing to do with the
plot of the movie.

589
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,360
The The funny thing though too
is like from a filmmaking

590
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,680
standpoint, I can see exactly
why they did it.

591
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:20,920
I can like for Spielberg,
Indiana Jones is is his entry

592
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,360
point into the iconography of
America and America of certain

593
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,040
eras.
Like you get Harrison Ford

594
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,600
literally bumping into Hitler in
the third Indiana Jones movie.

595
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,840
He's battling Nazis all through
these movies, and now it's like,

596
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,520
we're going to bring him into
the nuclear age.

597
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,160
We're going to bring him into
the Cold War.

598
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,920
Spielberg's probably sitting
there with George Lucas.

599
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Like, I have an idea for a shot.
I don't know how we get there,

600
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,120
but it's Harrison Ford walking
up a hill, and over the Crest of

601
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,200
the hill, it's just a silhouette
of Indiana Jones with a nuclear

602
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,320
explosion behind him.
Yep.

603
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,000
That's the iconography that will
make people wonder, like, how do

604
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,720
we bring Indiana Jones into the
Cold War era?

605
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Let's build a scene around that.
And I just, I know, like, if I

606
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,440
know anything, Brad, I know that
they worked backwards from that

607
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,360
shot because it's one of the
coolest shots I've ever seen,

608
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,040
but nothing makes sense.
You know what I mean?

609
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,960
Like, I I I respect the attempt,
Spielberg.

610
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:19,840
But what the hell are we doing
here?

611
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,800
Yeah.
I mean, you've storyboarded with

612
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Steve before like it.
It makes sense with what you

613
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,760
know of him.
I already told you I've swung

614
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,680
with monkeys on set.
So what would make you doubt me

615
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,160
now Brad that?
Sounds like you're doing

616
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,680
something dirty on your own,
Bob.

617
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,640
Dirty business, as we say.
OK, before we go to break Brad,

618
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,320
I do want to call out just a
couple other things about the

619
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,800
first part of this movie.
I really like having Jim

620
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Broadbent show up as the the
Dean of the school.

621
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,880
Oh yeah, I like the introduction
of Shia LaBeouf and them

622
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,760
starting a fight between like
the socials and the jocks or the

623
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,120
bikers in that like soda shop.
I thought that was great.

624
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,600
And then it goes right into
shake, rattle and roll.

625
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,360
It's a great needle drop and
then you get this awesome chase

626
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,239
scene with a motorcycle and
these KGB guys chasing them

627
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,840
through the college campus.
It gets ridiculous.

628
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,520
They go into the library.
I'm having a blast.

629
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,159
Like this movie is cheesy as
hell and I'm loving it.

630
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,600
And I guess once again I'm
wondering like what was the

631
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,159
turning point for you, Brad,
where your internal, you know,

632
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,560
movie watching bowels started to
get stopped up with the cheese?

633
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,040
Because for me, the cheese was
working until the cheese was all

634
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,320
CGI.
But did it stop working before

635
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,679
that for you?
It was the Gophers, man.

636
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,239
What's at the two?
Minute mark.

637
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,560
The freaking Gopher pops out of
the ground and is just some of

638
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,840
the worst CGI.
Like, just hire Pixar to make

639
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,239
that Gopher.
It would have been incredible.

640
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Like, it's crazy.
How bad Some of the CGI is in

641
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,120
this movie, dude and.
It was from that moment on that

642
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,200
I just really didn't jive with
this movie, but.

643
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,920
Brad, you know that that's the
first shot of the whole movie,

644
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,560
right?
Like, it's the Paramount logo

645
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,520
and it fades into the mole and
then the Mole pops up out of it

646
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,000
and that's it.
Yes, 100%.

647
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,120
I am very well aware of that.
I think though, I'm with you,

648
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,520
everything up until the iconic,
you know, Red Line travelling

649
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,400
the South America interlude,
everything up until that point

650
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:37,760
is like, well done enough that
I'm enjoying the film outside of

651
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,640
the forced acting once, man,
once they head to South America,

652
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960
that's where the movie really,
really does take a downturn for

653
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,520
me.
And that's where we're going to

654
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,440
stop right here, Brad.
Let's try some whiskey and then

655
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,160
we'll come back and commiserate
a little bit.

656
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,040
What do you say?
Sounds good to me.

657
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:01,800
All right.
So today we're trying something

658
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,560
a little bit different, Brad,
both in terms of the product

659
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,880
we're trying and how we're going
to talk about it.

660
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,040
We are sampling something from
friend of show Wes, who's been

661
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440
giving us tons and tons of
whiskey to review lately.

662
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,680
And he gave us a sample of
Watershed Distilleries bourbon

663
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,280
finished in Pinot noir casks.
Now when we first received this

664
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,000
we said oh boy oh boy.
We love ourselves some wine

665
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,640
finished casks and we love
Watershed for the most part.

666
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,800
We're we're pretty big fans of
what they're doing in Columbus.

667
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:34,280
It is a craft distillery with a
pretty huge reputation at this

668
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,320
point, especially in terms of
representing the state of Ohio.

669
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,760
However, what we've come to find
out is that this is not just a

670
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,240
limited release from Watershed,
it is so hyper limited that I

671
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,040
can't really find any
information about it.

672
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,360
I'm starting to wonder if this
was just like a distillery only

673
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,600
gift shop release or something
because I see no pricing

674
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,560
information, I see no mash bill
information.

675
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,520
I know that Watershed has worked
with four grain mash bills in

676
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,920
the past, but their regular mash
bill is not.

677
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,840
But I can't tell exactly what
we're drinking today, Brad.

678
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,320
And so I think, you know, let's
give our impressions here, but I

679
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,760
think we might just want to use
this kind of as a jumping off

680
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,320
point to talk a little bit about
the craft whiskey scene in

681
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,200
America.
And I think this sort of

682
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,080
epidemic now of finished
bottles, because that's kind of

683
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,160
what we're doing here today.
Yeah, 100%.

684
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:31,600
I I think that so many craft
distilleries are working their

685
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,440
way into, hey, we're unique
because of this territory.

686
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,200
And I I think it works really
well for some of them and not

687
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,800
quite as well for others.
Like the the reason Angels Envy

688
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,440
is still famous isn't because
they make really good finished

689
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,200
whiskeys.
It's because they were the first

690
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,080
ones to make really good.
Well to make finished whiskeys

691
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:00,320
and and so I think that every
craft distiller is trying to

692
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:06,120
find their unique voice in a
over over saturated market.

693
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Can Can I get an Amen, Bob?
Yeah, dude, I I, I don't want to

694
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,640
be the doomsayer that I clearly
am going to be, but like I'm

695
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,880
really getting sick of the
bourbon industry assuring us

696
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,600
that there's not a bourbon
bubble happening.

697
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,320
And even like bourbon
influencers that I am friends

698
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,200
with are, I think really
optimistic that this will

699
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,120
continue.
But I just don't know how it

700
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,800
can.
The way that these distilleries

701
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,400
are expanding the 100 million,
$500 million expansions we're

702
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,800
seeing, I I just don't know how
sustainable this can be.

703
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
And so I think you're starting
to see it a little bit in this

704
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,840
explosion of product expansion,
product line expansion and

705
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,760
they're doing it by finishing
their same product in 85

706
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,840
different kinds of casks, some
of them good, some of them bad.

707
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,400
Brad, you know, the one we have
in front of us here.

708
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,800
I guess let's just go ahead and
dive in because it's it's

709
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,760
clearly standing in as a
representative for all finished

710
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,960
barrels ever right now, which is
probably not fair to it.

711
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,120
This has gone way darker than I
thought it would for our whiskey

712
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,760
segment.
Well, I mean, like, like it's a

713
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,840
harmless thing that Watershed is
doing here.

714
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,480
But I also like, what am I, what
am I to do with this?

715
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,840
If it's good, great, they don't
sell it anymore.

716
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,240
And if it's bad, it's like,
well, now I know why they didn't

717
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:23,200
sell it, you know what I mean?
I I I think I do, Bob.

718
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,960
OK, we're diving in on the nose
of this Watershed bourbon, Brad.

719
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,840
This is incredibly young
smelling, incredibly youthful.

720
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,520
A lot of times you'll hear that
there's a specific note on Kraft

721
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,240
Whiskey that needs to be
separated from youth.

722
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,480
And I I don't know if that's
exactly what's going on here,

723
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,200
but I smell a lot of just like
straight raw grain, and it's not

724
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,440
even corn, It's like some
secondary grain.

725
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,040
It almost smells like raw oats
to me, but like really sour and

726
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,200
and unaged.
And I am.

727
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,240
I'm a little bit nervous for
where we're going to go from

728
00:39:58,240 --> 00:39:59,360
here.
Brad, I'm only going to give

729
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:05,040
this. 4 1/2 on the nose. 4 1/2.
Yeah dude, this is not good.

730
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Wow.
I am in a very different place

731
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,960
from you Bob.
I like wow.

732
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,840
In the spirit of being honest
about our scores today, which I

733
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,000
know you will at the end of this
episode, yeah, like I would

734
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,760
normally just say like who
cares?

735
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,800
This is a 5 1/2 at least.
But I mean, if I'm being frank

736
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,800
with you, I think it's like 4
1/2 nose, dude.

737
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,720
Dude, I I luckily still have a
little bit of this poured out,

738
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:35,040
'cause I'm nosing it right now
again, 'cause that is low.

739
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,560
Yeah, that's really low.
I am at a 7 1/2 Bob.

740
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,800
I like, I think that you get
grapes, you get wood shavings,

741
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,640
there's vanilla, there's brown
sugar.

742
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,760
Like, I don't think it's a
spectacular nose.

743
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,640
It's not blowing me out of the
water, but it it's not a four

744
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,800
and a half nose.
Are you picking up on the youth?

745
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,400
Honestly, no.
Oh man, Like, I think this is.

746
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,840
It's like, really yeasty.
But I know this is from like

747
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,440
2020-2021, and at that point
they were already using their

748
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,720
four year bourbon.
And you know, four year bourbon

749
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,080
isn't like old by any stretch of
the imagination.

750
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,680
But it's not youthful either.
Like I I think 4 years is where

751
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,920
you're starting to hit your
stride with a bourbon.

752
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,080
So I to me, I I remember.
Old woodshed.

753
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Woodshed, I remember.
Woodshed whiskey.

754
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,920
We should start to hold woodshed
whiskey.

755
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,040
When we started this podcast
they were doing a four grain

756
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,960
recipe that had spelt in it.
Do you remember?

757
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,120
That and it was, well, that's
what I was about to say.

758
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,600
It was that might be this.
No, that that is not this.

759
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Do you have assurances that this
is the four year whiskey?

760
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,160
I can't find anything about it.
I maybe, maybe when they upped

761
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,600
the age statement, they were
like, let's get rid of the old

762
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,000
product, throw it in some wine
barrels, and let's give it out

763
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,960
in the gift shop.
That could be could be true,

764
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Bob, but I doubt it 'cause I
like I'm not getting any of that

765
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,360
youth on this.
Well, I am and I'm right.

766
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,280
So let's take a sip here Brad.
I'll let you go first this time,

767
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,600
as I give it my first sip.
Yeah, I I think that the grape

768
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,840
comes through strong.
For me it turns into like a

769
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:17,360
grape soda type of taste.
The the pre eminent note that I

770
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,320
always get on Watershed comes
through here in spades.

771
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,480
It is called balsa wood.
I don't know what it is about

772
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,720
watershed products but I almost
every single one I've ever had

773
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,400
tastes a little bit like balsa
wood.

774
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,520
It's it's almost like a a bit of
a funk if you will.

775
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,440
But other than that I I get some
vanilla bean I get a little bit

776
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,360
of that brown sugar caramel
coming through.

777
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,120
I think it's a pretty decent
pour of whiskey.

778
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,800
I I I came down to a 7 out of 10
here.

779
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,960
I actually don't mind this on
the palate and I think that as

780
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,840
it's been opening up a little
bit or I don't know if it's I'm

781
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,120
just getting used to the nose or
I'm starting to pick up more

782
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,720
notes here.
But it had a little bit of that

783
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,000
cherry cola note that I get
sometimes on weeded bourbons

784
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,800
when I sipped it.
Brad, I don't get like a really

785
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,920
sweet grape, but there's
definitely like some like some

786
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,000
grape skin in there.
And I think for me, I was really

787
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,720
surprised at how there's a
there's a note of saline to this

788
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,960
that I wasn't expecting.
It's a little bit salty and I

789
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,080
actually really liked that.
It kind of balanced things out a

790
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,080
little bit.
There's a ton of spiciness and

791
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,920
kind of prickliness on your
palate here.

792
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,520
It's marked on my sample bottle
as only being 94 proof.

793
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,600
This drinks like 100 and 810
proof whiskey.

794
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,600
It's definitely got some bite to
it and I really like that.

795
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,680
I don't know that I would have
necessarily pegged this as being

796
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,600
a finished bourbon unless you
had told me, but I'm kind of OK

797
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,000
with that.
I'm going to give it a 7 out of

798
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,520
10 on the on the pallet.
When I got into the finish is

799
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,880
where the the balsa of it all
kind of took over.

800
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,560
Not terribly so, as has been the
case with their regular

801
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
offering.
I really think that the the

802
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:06,040
Pinot Noir finish evens this out
really beautifully.

803
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,120
I'm sitting at a 6 1/2 on the
finish Bob.

804
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Yeah, I think I'm going to still
be at A7 here.

805
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,360
I think there's some really nice
notes of like butterscotch on

806
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,200
this.
The saline is there.

807
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,640
It's pretty like oily and kind
of viscous.

808
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,120
I really like that as well.
Very different from what I got

809
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,320
on the nose.
Once again, I just don't really

810
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,680
know.
Maybe it's the Pinot Noir that's

811
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,040
giving it that kind of making it
seem like it's a little bit

812
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,320
salty, but that's not really,
you know, it's not what Pinot

813
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,400
Noir tastes like, but it must be
bringing out some notes here.

814
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,440
Unfortunately, I just don't get
a lot of that grape character

815
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,520
and I think that's really where
this suffers for me.

816
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,080
So I'll give it A7 on the finish
and on balance I think I am

817
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,320
going to Ding it and just give
it a six out of 10.

818
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,800
Yeah.
I give it a six, 6 1/2 out of

819
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,600
10, Yeah, it it's OK.
Balanced.

820
00:44:55,600 --> 00:45:00,640
It definitely has some issues.
I I think the real issue is when

821
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
you get to value here, Bob.
Now we don't have the exact

822
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,680
price of what this cost when it
was being sold, but we've I've

823
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,720
lived in the Columbus area long
enough to know that their

824
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,200
special expressions, their
special releases usually are in

825
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,680
the 60 to $90.00 range.
So I don't know if we want to

826
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:27,280
call it like 7580 bucks for
this, but I I just if I'm

827
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,200
looking at spending 70 to $80.00
on a bottle of whiskey, I don't.

828
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,040
I don't think this is a great
value, Bob.

829
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Yeah, man.
And I mean, if I could be honest

830
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,760
here, you know, our, our
relationship with Watershed has

831
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,480
been kind of up and down over
the years as well.

832
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,800
I feel like we keep losing
contact with them and we really

833
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,360
want to support Ohio
distilleries.

834
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:53,040
Watershed is one that's like we
want to support you, but like

835
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,520
you're hard to get in touch
with.

836
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,600
And so Watershed, I'm really
sorry that we don't have the

837
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,920
information on this bottle that
might be necessary for us to

838
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,840
give this a more appropriate
score, but based solely on what

839
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,600
we drank and what this probably
would cost as a special, you

840
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,360
know, distillery only release.
Brad, I'm with you, man.

841
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,000
This is just not really up to
snuff.

842
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,560
I think that their stuff has
gotten better over the years and

843
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,200
I'm really excited for, you
know, the product that former

844
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,760
Master Distiller Aaron Harris
put down to start coming out on

845
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,600
shelves because we tried some of
that white dog and it was

846
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,400
really, really good.
Yeah, this is not that.

847
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,040
So I'm just going to give it a
4.5 again on value and that

848
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,240
brings me out to only a 29 out
of 50.

849
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,360
Brad.
Yeah, I gave it a 5 out of 10 on

850
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,160
value.
So I'm in a pretty similar place

851
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,760
to you, Bob.
I'm coming to a 32.5 out of 50,

852
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,360
a decent score, but not one
where I'm going to recommend it,

853
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,040
mostly because of the price.
I I think that what's actually

854
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,120
in the bottle is decent.
All right, so that takes us to a

855
00:46:55,120 --> 00:47:00,720
61.5 out of 100 or a 30.75 out
of 50.

856
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,960
I just don't think this is
really anything to write home

857
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,360
about, Brad.
I'm super grateful to Wes for

858
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,600
giving us this one off whiskey,
but I think Brad, this is kind

859
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,040
of emblematic of what we're
seeing in the craft distillery

860
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,680
world.
I don't want to say that this

861
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,760
this smells like desperation,
you know, But I think as these

862
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,160
craft distillers try to find
their place in the market, they

863
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,400
keep doing things like this and
they're just not always

864
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,760
successful.
Yeah, yeah.

865
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,560
I mean, if if anything, Bob,
this this episode at least the

866
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,560
whiskey portion has become a
weird commentary on the bourbon

867
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,040
bubble.
And I I do kind of wonder how

868
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:43,280
craft distillers are going to
stay afloat as like the the

869
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,320
return to the mean happens and
people go back to just buying

870
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,840
the big brands, Yeah.
There is an impending nuclear

871
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,400
explosion in the world of
bourbon.

872
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,040
Will they find the lead lined
refrigerator to make it through?

873
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,640
That's the question here.
Brad, what will be the CGI

874
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,480
Gophers that get annihilated?
All right, man, let's get back

875
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:04,880
into talking about Indiana
Jones.

876
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,880
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

877
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,400
All right, everybody.
That was Watershed Pinot Noir.

878
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Finish a whiskey that we are
done talking about, Yes.

879
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,800
We are.
You know what?

880
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,000
We're not done talking about
Bob.

881
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,120
Is it 2 facts and a falsehood?
Canada's favorite segment 2

882
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,400
Facts and a Falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

883
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,920
your ball. 2 All right and what
is wrong?

884
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,360
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and A Falsehood is the part of

885
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,080
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

886
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,320
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

887
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,240
Brad, I am sitting at 13 and
seven on the season.

888
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,000
I have done not one bit of
research on this movie.

889
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,640
I've probably said some wildly
inaccurate things in the

890
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,040
process, but that means that
bodes well for you, because I

891
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,800
have not been reading up on this
movie at all.

892
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,280
I don't blame you at all.
That's that's probably a good

893
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,040
decision on your use of time.
All right, man, hit me with your

894
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:15,480
two facts and a falsehood.
Fact #1 The girl who punches

895
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,400
Mutt Williams.
I almost called him Matt.

896
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,480
That that would be way too more
Williams.

897
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:27,000
The blandest name ever.
Mutt Williams, played by Shia

898
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,880
LaBeouf in the diner scene, is
Sasha Spielberg, daughter of

899
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,040
director Steven Spielberg and
Kate Capshaw, Fact #2.

900
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,160
Due to new safety rules around
the use of props deemed

901
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,040
dangerous on set, Indy's whip
was actually a CGI replica in

902
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,440
several scenes of the movie, a
move which was met with ridicule

903
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,920
by Harrison Ford.
Fact #3.

904
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,520
The Akator throne room near the
end of the film keeps up an

905
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,840
Indiana Jones tradition by
having C3PO and R2D2 etched into

906
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,400
one of the yellow tiles and ET
the extraterrestrial Bob I I

907
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:09,600
don't know if you've heard of
him, etched into another. #3

908
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,040
sounds true, and if it's not, I
don't care.

909
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,720
That just sounds like a fun
little Easter egg. #2 also

910
00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:17,840
sounds true.
My boy Harrison would not stand

911
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,080
for CGI.
Number one, I don't really know

912
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,400
or really care.
Sasha Spielberg is in fact

913
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,720
Steven Spielberg's daughter.
I don't know if that was her.

914
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,560
I don't know that you would know
enough about Sasha Spielberg to

915
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,720
make it up, though, so I'm a
little suspicious that that

916
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:38,720
might be true.
My gut is telling me #2 is one

917
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:45,160
that you would write.
Where you going with this, Bob?

918
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,200
Is it 1 or is it 2?
Is it 1 or is it 2 now?

919
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,280
Number one is the falsehood, but
I don't feel good about it.

920
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,480
You shouldn't 'cause you're
wrong.

921
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,280
No.
Was it 2?

922
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,840
Yeah, it was 2.
Ah, damn it.

923
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,600
I hate when that happens.
Yeah, I should have known you

924
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,160
didn't know anything about Sasha
Spielberg.

925
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,800
Yep, all right.
Every every once in a while I do

926
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,880
some research to write a really
good falsehood.

927
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,600
This was not one of the.
Today is not that day.

928
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,880
Yeah.
Nope, I've.

929
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,040
Been busy, bro.
So I am at 13 and eight on the

930
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,880
season and Harrison Ford's whip
apparently real in all scenes.

931
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,840
Yes, every single one.
The I did somewhat steal this

932
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,560
from the IMDb page.
They there were new safety rules

933
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,760
and they did want to use ACGI
prop for all for the whole every

934
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,880
single whip scene.
And Harrison Ford literally was

935
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,920
like get the F out of here.
I'm using a real whip, and so

936
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,680
every single whip in the whole
movie is 100% real.

937
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,960
OK, thank you for authenticating
the, you know, veracity of the

938
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,920
whips here.
All right.

939
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,240
Brad, no problem, man.
Let.

940
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,920
Us dive back into this movie.
I don't have too much more to

941
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,720
say because everything after
Peru is a negative from me.

942
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,240
I just think that this thing
really devolves into talking in

943
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,920
circles.
I think is like the biggest

944
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,600
thing I can really criticize
this for.

945
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,240
We know exactly what the the
skull is used for.

946
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,280
The scene where she hypnotizes
him with it is like a

947
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,600
preposterous scene, but I think
it's really well done.

948
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,840
There's actually, like, some
stakes involved.

949
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,640
It's a little bit suspenseful.
They're trying to escape.

950
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,840
You can't tell if Ray Winstone
is the bad guy.

951
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,720
But like, the mythos of the
skull is established.

952
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,440
We know everything we need to
know.

953
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,800
And then it feels like the
characters just continually get

954
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,480
stupider throughout the movie.
And I don't even mean with the.

955
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,000
I don't even mean with, like,
the decisions they make, but

956
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,960
they're like, they get all the
way into a cave that is shaped

957
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,280
like the alien's head and
they're like, what do you think

958
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,840
this is?
For, I don't know.

959
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,680
How do we get in this door?
I don't know.

960
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,040
Maybe.
Let's try holding the skull up

961
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,920
to it.
It's like, no shit, like the

962
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,520
skull has pointed you
everywhere.

963
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,000
What do you?
What's wrong with you people?

964
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,000
They're continually surprised by
things that have already been

965
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,600
explained 45 minutes earlier in
the movie, and it's like,

966
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,600
infuriating.
By the time you get to the end

967
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,760
of it, this movie is only two
hours and two minutes long.

968
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,680
Brad and it I could have sworn
it was like at least 228 like

969
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,320
it.
It just feels so repetitive by

970
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,760
the time you actually get to the
conclusion of this movie.

971
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,400
Bob, I I I love when you get to
really enjoy a film.

972
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,800
But man, when you really are
annoyed with a movie, it is.

973
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,120
It's a thing of.
Beauty, isn't it?

974
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,680
It is a thing of beauty.
I love when you get annoyed by

975
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,960
me by movies.
I think I was just so mad

976
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,280
because it it undercuts what had
made the first part of the movie

977
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,800
so good.
There was so much build up and

978
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,400
like before you really find out
what the hell is going on in the

979
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,240
first part of the movie, it's
like chase after chase after

980
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,840
chase.
And I could see how for Someone

981
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,400
Like You who didn't like the
movie, even that seemed

982
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,600
repetitive.
But for me it was like the

983
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,880
stakes are keep, you know, they
keep getting upped here, what's

984
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,160
let's find out what's going on.
It reminded me of like when we

985
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,040
talked about the Matrix and I
was like I could I could see how

986
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,880
somebody could check out before
the 45 minute mark of the Matrix

987
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,120
because you don't get anything
explained to you till then.

988
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,880
But when it works it's because
the stakes keep getting upped.

989
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,440
And then the the last 2/3 of the
movie, it's like the stakes have

990
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,280
been at their highest and now
everything seems like resolution

991
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,280
when it's really not.
You know what I mean?

992
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,480
Like, it's just it seems like
the most suspenseful, most

993
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,680
impactful parts of this movie
are behind us.

994
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:41,240
And so when we get to meet
actual aliens at the end of the

995
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,760
movie, it's just like, oh, OK,
cool, yeah.

996
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,560
And you also don't get any
interactions with them.

997
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:56,240
Like, I dude, this movie sucks.
It's just so frustrating because

998
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,360
I I think that they could have
gone somewhere with this.

999
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,160
And I remember when it came out,
there was a lot of people who

1000
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,120
were like the Indiana Jones
series is about Nazis and and

1001
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:11,120
about, like religious artifacts
and that's what makes an Indiana

1002
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,520
Jones movie.
And and I don't actually think

1003
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,200
that that's the case.
I I kind of watch for that in

1004
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,640
this movie.
And I think that if you fully

1005
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,760
take out the Russians in this
film and replace them with

1006
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,800
Nazis, you know, almost in like
a Captain America sense, like I

1007
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,120
I don't know, man, I I don't
think it changed what's.

1008
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,840
I don't think it changes what
happens in the film.

1009
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,040
And what happens in the film
just isn't intriguing enough for

1010
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,480
me to care.
And and I, I don't know, I was

1011
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,720
even thinking about, you were
talking about this being a

1012
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:47,520
repeat of Raiders.
I think one of the few problems

1013
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,920
with Raiders that people have
pointed out that I kind of agree

1014
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,240
with is very true about this
movie as well.

1015
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:58,520
If Indiana Jones does nothing,
if he never gets involved, all

1016
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,840
of the same things happen like
they find their way to.

1017
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,720
Learn a lesson.
You know, maybe the real skull

1018
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:07,320
is the friends we made along the
way.

1019
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Oh man, I feel so much better
about this movie now, Bob. 9 out

1020
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:17,400
of 10, all right.
Brad, we'll go that far.

1021
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,320
If we've said everything we need
to say about the movie, I don't

1022
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,360
think it sucks.
But I'm not far away from that.

1023
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,120
Let's get into.
Let's make it a double.

1024
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,760
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things Listening to

1025
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,680
the Film and Whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

1026
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,080
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1027
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,680
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1028
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,920
Let's make it a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1029
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,000
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1030
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,000
feature.
Brad, I'm going to be really

1031
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,400
boring and I'm going to just
pair it with the most recent

1032
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,560
Indiana Jones movie which is
called Indiana Jones and the

1033
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,400
Dial of Destiny, which is a
significantly better title than

1034
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,800
this title.
And I actually think it's a

1035
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,320
better movie too.
People just did not go see this

1036
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,960
movie in theaters last year.
It's a ton of fun.

1037
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,760
It's not directed by Spielberg
and you can tell and I think

1038
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,160
that if you could Frankenstein
together, the craftsmanship of

1039
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,120
this movie with the story pacing
script of the of this most

1040
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,520
recent one, you have a really
damn good Indiana Jones movie.

1041
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,160
But as it is, it feels like 2
halves that are missing each

1042
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:24,720
other.
And I think it would make a

1043
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:28,840
really fun evening, if not if
not a frustrating one, because

1044
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,640
neither of these seem like a
complete indie film.

1045
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,520
But you can see how the equation
works better I think when you

1046
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,400
isolate both sides of it like
that.

1047
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,920
So that's my let's make it a
double.

1048
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,560
I think that's a pretty good
pick, Bob.

1049
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,240
Did you see the most recent one,
Brad?

1050
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,200
Have not seen the dial of
destiny.

1051
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,160
You should watch it.
It's actually it's pretty good,

1052
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,200
man.
I I have to ask, is the Dial of

1053
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,880
Destiny like an oven timer dial
from?

1054
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,840
Yeah.
Actually, it's about the

1055
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,600
invention of the Easy Bake Oven.
Oh yeah.

1056
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,840
And then at the end of the
movie, you think Harrison Ford

1057
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,560
is inside of this, like deep,
dark cave.

1058
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,480
And then it it zooms out and you
find you're just inside of a

1059
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,080
cosmic Easy Bake Oven.
It's like the end of the Grinch

1060
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,440
that way.
Really, really meta stuff.

1061
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,120
Yeah.
Absolutely love that, Bob.

1062
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:24,880
I am in for that movie.
For me, I don't know if I really

1063
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,800
have a good two facts and a
falsehood.

1064
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:29,560
Nope.
It's called.

1065
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,640
Let's make it a double.
Yeah, let's make it a double,

1066
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,360
man.
I'm over this episode.

1067
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,920
Clearly.
How about we pair it with I feel

1068
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,560
like I'm throwing a dart at a
dartboard here.

1069
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,760
I don't know.
How about Tomb Raider from 2018?

1070
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,680
Oh, I have not seen it.
The Alicia Vikander, 1.

1071
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,520
Yeah, I've never seen it either.
I I do like Alicia Vikander.

1072
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,240
Another Another celebrity crush
of mine.

1073
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,200
I don't know.
Alicia Vikander.

1074
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,880
An Academy award-winning
actress?

1075
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,960
All right, Tomb Raider is Brad's
pick and mine is the Dial of

1076
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,760
Destiny.
Brad, let's give this movie some

1077
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,400
scores.
Now you know how I feel, man.

1078
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,240
About The Phantom Menace.
This is your Phantom Menace,

1079
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,280
Brad.
Yeah, but here's the thing, you

1080
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,720
you asked this question really
early in the episode and and I

1081
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,720
didn't fully answer it.
Like, where does the Indiana

1082
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,600
Jones series stand in the
history of movie series?

1083
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,600
Yeah, movie.
You know, IP.

1084
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:33,280
I actually don't think that
Indiana Jones ranks that highly

1085
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,400
for me personally.
Like, no.

1086
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,760
Nor does it for most people of
our generation.

1087
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,160
I feel like there was, there was
enough of a gap.

1088
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,760
You know, from Return of the
Jedi to Phantom Menace is a 16

1089
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,520
year gap.
From Last Crusade to this movie

1090
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,080
is a 19 year gap.
And so there's a little bit

1091
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,920
longer of a gap.
But also like, I don't know,

1092
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,440
there's just something about
Star Wars appealing especially

1093
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,320
to kids that it kind of gets its
hooks into you really young.

1094
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,920
I've thought about this a lot,
Brad, because I think for me.

1095
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,920
When Raiders or when the Indiana
Jones is clicking, I find it to

1096
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,240
be more purely enjoyable than
the world of Star Wars, that

1097
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880
that's just me.
But I I mean, I would never

1098
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,440
argue that the ups and downs of
this series, like, are anything

1099
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,600
compared to Star Wars.
Like I I just think that whether

1100
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,360
I like Star Wars or not, it's a
more consistent product, at

1101
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,720
least until you get to the
sequels.

1102
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,040
But but the.
Indiana Jones movies are always

1103
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:33,000
kind of like, great, meh, pretty
good meh.

1104
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,920
OK, you know what I mean?
Like, he just kind of bounces

1105
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,720
back and forth, which is
unfortunate, 'cause I think that

1106
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,520
like with with some more
consistent scripts, this really

1107
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,360
could have been Spielberg's, you
know, Star Wars type saga and it

1108
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,680
just falls a little bit short.
And I think because of that,

1109
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,880
like people just haven't
embraced it through generations

1110
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,040
the way they have with Star
Wars.

1111
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,920
I I think you summed it up
perfectly, Bob.

1112
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,160
I'm a I'm 100% with you.
I think Indiana Jones is fun,

1113
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,640
but outside of Raiders of the
Lost Ark, none of the movies are

1114
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,440
good enough to really warrant.
Our last crusade's really good,

1115
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,040
dude.
I I honestly haven't seen it

1116
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,320
since I was a teenager.
Friggin Sean Connery, man.

1117
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,360
Yeah, I know.
Indiana, let it go.

1118
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,040
Oh, it's so good.
He's in this one too.

1119
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,120
There's a picture of him.
Yeah, there, there sure is.

1120
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,240
First dad dies, then this guy
dies.

1121
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,920
He just like, dresses to both
pictures.

1122
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,440
Brad, what's your final score,
man?

1123
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:36,120
What's my final score?
5 out of 10, yeah.

1124
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:40,200
I want to give it a six because
I feel like the first half, like

1125
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:44,240
the 1st 45 minutes, were like a
legit 8 1/2 to 9 for me.

1126
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,640
The last 2/3 I was on my phone
through, so like let's be real

1127
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,840
here.
I watched this movie for the

1128
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,800
first time about a year ago, so
I remembered the whole thing and

1129
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,200
I felt like I could be on my
phone.

1130
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,880
But also the movie put me in a
state where I felt like I needed

1131
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,280
to be on my phone and that is
not a good sign.

1132
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,680
That means that this is in like
4 out of 10 territory for the

1133
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,760
second-half.
I'm just going to give it a 5.5

1134
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,640
Brad.
I think that's that's fair for

1135
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,800
this movie.
If you're giving it A5, I'm a

1136
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,600
little bit higher than you.
It's it's unfortunate that it

1137
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,760
could not sustain the energy of
that first part, but it really,

1138
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,480
really falters at the 40 ish
minute mark.

1139
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,160
Yeah, 100% man.
I want this movie to be good.

1140
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,440
Like I started this episode by
saying director Steven Spielberg

1141
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,840
and star Harrison Ford and I I
feel like that is quite the epic

1142
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,480
pairing.
Can I give, like, a really quick

1143
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,400
I've been workshopping this
theory, and I'm not it's not

1144
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,080
fully formed.
It'll come out in a future

1145
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,320
episode.
But this movie really made me

1146
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:50,480
realize that I think Spielberg
is like the LeBron James of

1147
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,040
famous film makers.
Oh, because you know, like the

1148
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,160
the argument to make LeBron the
GOAT.

1149
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,240
You do have to do some finessing
of the stats and you have to

1150
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,080
downplay some stuff Jordan has
done.

1151
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,800
But you also have to reckon
with, like, whether you agree

1152
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,960
with Lebron's move to Miami and
his sort of sometimes petulant

1153
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,720
behavior in terms of getting
what he wants and roster

1154
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,760
construction.
Whether you agree with that or

1155
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,280
not, you have to deal with the
fact that, like, he has

1156
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:25,000
spearheaded a particular
movement in the NBAA bent toward

1157
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,200
this player empowerment thing
and building super teams.

1158
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,480
And a lot of what people don't
like about the NBA can be

1159
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,760
directly traced back to LeBron.
Like, as the world's biggest

1160
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,840
LeBron fan, the dude comes with
baggage when he's on your team

1161
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,080
and you just have to roll with
it because he's that good.

1162
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,240
And I think Spielberg's kind of
like that.

1163
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,120
Spielberg might be my favorite
movie maker in history.

1164
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,840
I think he's also kind of
directly responsible for the,

1165
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:56,120
like, nostalgia, baiting,
sequelization of everything that

1166
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,920
has LED us to the Marvel
Cinematic Universe, where

1167
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,280
everything is just merchandise
and everything is just a

1168
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,920
product.
Like between Lucas and

1169
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,280
Spielberg.
They're they're the guys that

1170
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,560
got us here, man, and you got to
take the bad with the good.

1171
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,320
You can't have Schindler's List
in Jurassic Park and stuff

1172
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,760
without also acknowledging this
is the guy who made Kingdom of

1173
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,320
the Crystal Skull, you know?
Yeah, dude, I'm.

1174
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,240
I'm.
I'm feeling it, man.

1175
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,120
So, So what I'm saying is
Spielberg might be the GOAT, but

1176
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,080
he he definitely comes with his
own form of baggage.

1177
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,760
Especially when his I I see his
name slapped on Transformers at

1178
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,400
the end of the movie.
I'm like, what the hell Steve,

1179
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,000
what are you doing man?
Yeah, Transformers, man.

1180
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:45,240
Once again, if it was just one
movie, I think I'd be more OK

1181
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,080
with it than I am.
But it's like 7 now.

1182
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,880
The.
Fact that we haven't gotten a

1183
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,280
Fast and Furious Transformers
mash up, like that's how that

1184
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,560
series should end.
Is Vin Diesel driving a

1185
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,720
Transformer?
Yeah, that's dude.

1186
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,640
That's a good call.
All right, man, let's get out of

1187
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:05,920
here.
Next week, folks.

1188
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,160
We are watching the Pixar movie
up.

1189
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,000
We're actually doing
back-to-back Pixar's Up and Toy

1190
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,280
Story 3.
I am really excited to get into

1191
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,840
Pixarville, Brad, because we
haven't really done animated

1192
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,760
movies in a while outside of
Shrek, and God do I not want to

1193
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,520
talk about that anymore.
So we'll dive into Up next week,

1194
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,760
but until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1195
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,440
And we'll see you next time.