Independence Day / Willett Pot Still Reserve Bourbon

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In 1996, director Roland
Emmerich and star Bill Pullman

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gave the world an explosive
foray into Third Kind Encounters

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and how awesome America can
truly be.

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In 2024 we try one of the most
contentious bourbons on the

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market.
The film is Independence Day.

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The whiskey is will it pot still
reserved.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the film and whiskey.

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Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And Brad, there has never been a

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better time to be an American.
Because today we are talking

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about perhaps the most American
movie ever made, 1996's

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Independence Day, a film that
for a time, and that time, you

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know, in parentheses.
That time is when I was seven

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years old, but for a time was my
favorite film ever made.

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I believe it, man.
It's it's a hell of a movie.

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It's so good, dude.
It's so good and it's also so

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bad.
And I don't think I've ever

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watched this movie through the
critical lens that I watch

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movies on this podcast.
And I turned it on this time and

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I was like, oh, this is like
truly bad at parts.

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And also, I am having a complete
blast watching this movie.

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It's so good.
I'm glad that you've come to

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that place, Bob, otherwise this
may have been.

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A.
Very contentious episode.

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The I think that we're just
going to be on opposite ends of

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the bell curve.
Like if you're if you're in like

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the 70th percentile of people
who love this movie, I think I

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might be in like the 30th, 40th
where I'm like the the parts

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that work in this movie I do
enjoy and they're they're

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ridiculous and over the top and
funny.

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But a solid 50 to 70% of this
film could have been left on the

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cutting room floor.
I'll tell you what, man.

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I think you're being very
generous because if you truly

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believe that 70% of the movie
should have been cut, that that

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signals a pretty bad movie to
me.

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It could have been a short film.
All right.

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Well, as we get into our episode
today, I just want to say if

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this is your first time joining
us, don't leave yet.

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I'm going to praise Independence
Day, as we all know it should be

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done.
You never know, Bob, that that

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might drive some people away.
That's.

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True.
Well, you can hear Brad talk

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about the 30% that worked.
If this is your first time

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joining us, welcome into film
and whiskey.

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What we do here is we talk about
movies and we talk about

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whiskey.
And this season we are, we're

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changing things up a little bit.
Not that we're replacing films

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or whiskey, but typically we
look at movies that are

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considered classics of books.
And wine books and books.

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Typically we look at movies that
are considered classics of their

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genre.
And I mean, perhaps Independence

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Day is considered a classic of
some genre, but this year what

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we're doing is we're going year
by year from 1988 to 2019 and

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looking at the highest grossing
films of those years.

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Now Brad, remind me, is
Independence Day actually the

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number one highest grossing film
of 96?

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I don't believe it is.
See.

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I thought it might have been
because I.

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What?
Let me look.

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OK.
OK.

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And while you look, I'll keep
vamping, but every now and then

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we run into this situation where
we're not actually watching the

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highest grossing film because
we've already reviewed that.

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But we are looking at huge
blockbuster money makers.

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And Independence Day in a lot of
ways kind of exemplifies the

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summer blockbuster of the 1990s.
This movie was a money printing

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machine and I feel like it's one
of those movies that it didn't

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really have much of A footprint
at the Oscars or anything like

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that.
But everyone in America saw this

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movie, and I remember it being
just absolutely everywhere when

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we were kids.
So I'm excited to dive into this

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one.
Brad, what are you getting on

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this one?
Well, the IMDb is only showing

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domestic, it's not showing
foreign take.

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So according to IMD BS 1996
Worldwide Box Office, this is

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the number one grossing film we
did it with with 306,000,000,

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followed by Twister and Mission
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What a freaking year.
Yeah, Jerry Maguire at 4.

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Ransom at five, 101 Dalmatians
at six.

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Look at that.
Well, we had a good top five at

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least.
Never heard of Ransom?

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It's a Mel Gibson movie where
he, his kid gets taken and he

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kills a lot of people.
It's freaking great.

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OK, yeah, it sounds like there's
a a theme here.

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Have you seen Twister?
I've not seen Twister.

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They're making a sequel to it.
I just saw the commercial during

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the Super Bowl.
It has Glenn Powell.

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I'm I'm very excited for Glenn
Powell.

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I was tornadoes Glenn Powell's
your like your your rags to

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riches hope story for a new
superstar movie star.

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I know he had to overcome
looking like that to become the

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movie star that he is now.
Speaking of sequels, I have very

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important news for you, Bob.
No, what's that, Brad?

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I have finally gotten around to
watching the film you've begged

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me to watch for three years now.
I watched Deniz Dune.

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You know what else is even
bigger news?

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In the last three days, I too
have watched Deniz Dune.

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Have you now?
Are you getting ready for Dune?

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Two I am, yeah.
There's a there's a screening

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coming up in like a week.
I'm very, very excited for it.

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I wanted to refresh myself.
Interesting movie Brad, because

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I saw it in the theater and it
was like mind blowing.

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I saw it on the small screen and
I was like I I really like when

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film makers take sci-fi
seriously and you can tell the

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scope and the scale of this
movie is massive and the the

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shot composition is designed for
a 40 foot wall with an image

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projected on it.
It doesn't quite translate as

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well on the small screen.
I I came out of this one like

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that was like a 7/7 and 1/2 and
I when I saw it in the theater,

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I was like, that's an 8 1/2.
Yeah, that's exactly where I

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was.
I I, I I want to see Dune 2 in

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theaters.
It also made me want to read the

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books.
It it gave me just enough to

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make to pique my interest.
I think the biggest problem with

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Dune was just that they got
caught into the trap of world

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building and they didn't lean
into what Lord of the Rings does

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and help you fall in love with
the characters and.

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And I think that was my biggest
problem with it is like Oscar

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Isaac is busy dying and I'm kind
of like like I don't, I don't

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really care about him at all.
Like, all of the characters in

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this movie are unlikable and the
action is great.

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And like, the the world building
is pretty cool.

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Like there's these creepy
witches and there's a bunch of

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different houses and there's an
unseen emperor that's apparently

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going to be played by
Christopher Walken which led to

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no end of ridiculous imitations
of what the emperor would be

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saying as Christopher Walken.
But yeah, it was a good time.

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Had a good time with friends
overall was somewhat unimpressed

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with the film as a whole.
But it it's a Denny like the the

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floor for that film is A7.
And like you said in theaters.

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I can easily go, yeah, that's
that's an 8 to 9 out of 10 movie

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in theaters.
Well see Brad, The thing is when

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you talk about how that movie
failed to do world building,

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right, you forgot to mention
that the alternative to a world

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building movie is a movie where
aliens come and just blow up

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your world.
And that's what we have today.

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And that's why Independence Day
hot take better than dude that.

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I feel like that is a hot take.
It is also not my take, but I

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think that means that it is time
for us to get into our first

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segment of the day, which we
call Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we
call.

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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Brad, this was your first time
with Independence Day, right?

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Sure was, yeah.
You were talking about the bell

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curve of enjoyment.
I also think you're on the other

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end of the bell curve for me in
terms of age at which you first

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watched this movie.
Oh yes, and therefore the

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effectiveness of this movie.
Yes.

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You also, you also gave me like
an education of 250 plus films

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before I watched this.
So if there's if there's anybody

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to blame for me being a little
bit mad on the movie, it's your

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fault.
It's.

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Ultimately, me.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
Now, you were talking a bit ago

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about sequels.
This movie did get a sequel back

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in, oh gosh, I don't know,
20/14/2017.

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It was so forgettable that I
have no idea when it came out.

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And I never saw that movie.
So when you brought up sequels,

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I was like, wow, did you go
watch the sequel to this movie?

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Because you would have outdone
me on doing your homework on

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this film.
I sure did not did it was Will

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Smith in that.
I don't believe so.

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I think I know Jeff Goldblum
was, but OK, but not the big

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Willie.
Yeah, I will say my biggest

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surprise about Independence Day
one, the the original, because I

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didn't even know there was a
second one.

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My biggest surprise was that I I
feel like I always had the image

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of this movie, that this was
like a Will Smith blockbuster

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when in all reality he was just
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Well, one piece of the puzzle.
I I was very surprised by how

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little he was in the film.
Well, it's time for you to

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explain that machine and the
cogs within it, because you have

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one minute on the clock to spoil
this film and go.

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So there weren't any aliens.
And then there were and they

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wanted to kill everybody and we
couldn't stop them.

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But then then Jeff Goldblum can
do some crazy math stuff, and

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now we can stop them and we blow
them up because they suck and

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we're awesome.
And why are we awesome, Brad?

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Because we're America.
That's right.

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All right, that's good enough.
Let's jump into the movie

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itself.
So I want to start just kind of

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from the beginning and work
through this thing in the order

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that it is presented to us.
So it starts with an image of

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the moon.
You see the memorial that Neil

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Armstrong set up, and then all
of a sudden a shadow creeps

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across the face of the moon.
And what a freaking great way to

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start this movie.
Incredible opening like.

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First off, you failed to mention
that the opening like titles

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explode.
As every film in the 90s did.

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Yeah, I was going to say there's
no hiding what this movie is

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about.
No, it's about watching.

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Get blown up, Brad.
So OK, the movie starts with

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this, this moon thing.
And very, very quickly it gets

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into the meat of the movie.
Like you, you have the aliens

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showing up in these giant
fireballs in the sky and

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starting to position their ships
over major cities around the

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world.
And we are introduced to a few

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groups of people in different
cities.

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So you've got the Jeff Goldblum
character in New York City.

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He is like the main tech guy at
a cable company in the 90s.

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You've got Will Smith and his
girlfriend and her son out in

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California.
Will Smith is is it an Air Force

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pilot?
Like he's like he's.

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Continually refer to him as a
Marine.

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A Marine?
He's a Marine pilot.

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Got it, Got it.
OK, so he's, he's off base, but

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he's watching this whole thing
unfold over the, you know,

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skyline of Los Angeles.
And then you've got Bill Pullman

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and his circle in Washington, DC
Bill Pullman is the president of

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the United States.
And boy, oh boy.

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Also, just clearly say he is
very obviously banging his

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assistant that like Jeff
Goldblum is nervous about them

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having an affair.
Like they're very obviously

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having an affair.
He was right to be nervous.

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Is that what we're saying?
Yes.

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Yes.
OK.

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So I was going to end my little
thing about, you know,

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triangulating all these three
things by saying, boy, oh boy,

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is it crazy how much these three
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throughout this movie.
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you, man, I think that the 1st
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are almost perfectly plotted and
set up and and like,

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rhythmically they move you
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people.
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movie and I had to turn it off
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But I was like, they, they're
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building the suspense and the
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thing going on here.
And I'm learning about these

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characters.
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next 15 minutes, like, you know,
the aliens are going to blow

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something up because Jeff
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is on and then he tries to get
in touch with his ex-wife, who

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we find out is the press
secretary at the White House or

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something thereabouts.
Who's totally not sleeping with

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the?
President Not sleeping with the

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president, but wink, wink.
And so then you get this side

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quest where Jeff Goldblum has to
go to Washington, DC because he

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wants to save his wife and also
tell the president about all

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this stuff.
And I will say, like, as soon as

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that side quest starts, the next
15 minutes of the movie almost

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could have just been cut out,
dude.

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Like.
But what are you talking about,

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Bob?
You get Judd Hirsch being the

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most Jewish Jew that has ever
been a Jew.

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Like, offensively so.
Yep.

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But also OK, so like the like,
the aliens start blowing stuff

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up.
I paused it 42 minutes and 40

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seconds, which is like a good
chunk of the way into the movie.

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Yeah, I would say it is a really
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And I think if you cut out 30
minutes and you put that back

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about 15, get the aliens blowing
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think you have a hell of a
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And that's what I'm saying.
Like, I actually thought that it

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was perfectly plotted up till 30
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lost me.
And I'm a guy who is like very

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firmly in the Independence Day
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It lost me and I was like I made
a mental note because I knew.

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I knew in my mind Brad's going
to think this drags here and

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you're if you know whether you
did or not, I'm going to tell

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you Brad, you are right, it does
drag.

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Thanks, man.
I appreciate when you tell me

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that I'm right for things that I
never even.

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Told that I just assume about
you, yeah.

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Yeah, I I struggled a little bit
with pacing throughout the

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entire film.
I I think there's definitely

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moments where you spend time
with characters that I just

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don't care about.
I also think that they they give

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you just enough time in the
opening sequences of the film

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with certain like secondary
characters that end up dying off

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just enough to get you to like
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And specifically, I am thinking
of Harvey Fierstein, who plays

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Marty The Who has probably the
most distinct voice in Hollywood

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history.
Oh yeah, like as soon as you

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hear his voice, you're like, oh,
I know him.

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I don't know what his name is.
I I mean, I just had to look it

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up.
But he is probably my favorite

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character.
I wish they had killed everyone

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else off.
Like they could have killed Jeff

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Goldblum off and I would have
been fine.

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Keep.
Harvey Fierstein alive and I

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just want to see like a
Cloverfield style.

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Somehow he gets a hold of a
handheld Cam and like records

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his experience of Independence
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But overall, they keep the right
people alive and by the time you

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get to the the ending action,
you're kind of ready for

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everything to be over.
And so that last bit of action

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really flies through.
But you're right.

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The middle 4050% of the film,
it's it's a lot, man.

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There's a lot of cheesy, cheesy
acting, bad dialogue.

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Well, and I'm trying to think of
exactly how to like format the

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way we talk about it.
But I think the 1st place I want

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to start is, you know, in this
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because the movie is divided up
into July 2nd, July 3rd, July

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4th.
And each of those days has a

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very distinct flavor to it in
terms of what kind of movie this

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is trying to be.
And so the first day is very

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much your like 1970s disaster
movie, which we've never really

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talked about a movie like that
on this podcast, Brad.

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But there was a huge genre in
the 70s.

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There's a movie called Airport
that kind of kicked things off.

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And then you had like The
Poseidon Adventure in The

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Towering Inferno.
They were all these movies where

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like something horrible happens
and we got 45 A to B list actors

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to be in this movie.
And you're going to watch people

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that you know and love burn to
death.

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And you never know, like who's
who's next.

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And that be like would Flight of
the Phoenix fall into that

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category?
Probably a little bit.

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But like these were more built
around like a giant, you know,

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disaster happening where every
everybody mostly dies.

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Yeah, I.
Remember seeing the The Poseidon

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when I was a kid and and loving
that movie.

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So I think in that vein, this
movie is like really paying

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homage to that.
I don't know like the extent to

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which it succeeds at that, but I
think the like the secondary and

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tertiary characters, I think
this script does a really good

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job of setting them up with
minimal exposition to make you

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like them.
Like the Harvey Fierstein

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character, I really liked him.
But then like some of the

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primary characters, it's like
they go overboard with the back

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story and I think that's like
like the Jeff Goldblum

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character.
I just, I'm going to be honest

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with you, man.
Like I just don't care that

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much.
Like and you could have

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accomplished what you want to
accomplish with like 4 less

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scenes in that first 45 minutes.
Oh, all you needed was the

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opening scene with him, him
playing chess with his dad,

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right?
But even like the.

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Incredible scene.
Even if you want to continue the

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my wife works for the president
now.

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You didn't have to have like 5
scenes of them on their little

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road trip talking about like,
what it means to be a man and

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regret.
And like, just like I want to

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watch aliens blow things up,
let's please move this along.

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Yeah, no, 100%, that's that's
what I'm saying.

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Like the chess scene was great.
It was sweet and established

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what their relationship is with
each other.

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I I also don't feel like you
needed the like Green Earth

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Warrior message coming out of
Jeff Goldblum's mouth like that

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felt like an extra 12 seconds
every time he does that.

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Stick and it added up.
They were trying to get their

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product placement in because he
was like standing next to a

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fruitopia vending machine like.
And like having cans of

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Coca-Cola everywhere.
Yeah, it was not my favorite

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because it added up to a solid 4
or 5 minutes of screen time of

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him recycling things.
Yeah, OK.

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I I could have had that time
back to do other things with my

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life.
So I say all that about the

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characters that get set up well,
because there is a fourth group

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of characters that I have not
talked about at all yet and they

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don't like they.
They seem very set apart from

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the rest.
And that is Randy Quaid as crazy

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town drunk who flies a biplane
and crop dusts and his.

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Was abducted by aliens 10 years
ago.

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Abducted by aliens, the town
crackpot, and his three children

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who are riding across, you know,
the the deserts of California in

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an RV and they really want this
to be Comic Relief.

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And then they want him to have a
redemption arc at the end of the

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movie and it does not work.
The only part of this character

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that works, and folks, you know,
forgive me for spoiling a nearly

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30 year old movie here, is when
he sacrifices himself at the end

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of the movie and they let him go
out, still being crazy, like

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it's not overly sentimental.
He's just shouts Hello boys, I'm

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back.
And then you get what is no

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exaggeration, one of the 10 best
explosions in the history of

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films when that freaking ship
blows up.

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It's great, but I don't need
Randy Quaid in any more of the

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movie than just that one part.
No, it should have been the

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president.
The president should have

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sacrificed himself for the good
of the world.

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And they all draw around the
memory of this great hero.

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He's you know top three
president of all time.

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Like that's that's the Come on
Bob.

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You and I should start writing
scripts I.

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Know now if we're going to talk
about the ending of this movie

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and whether it works, we have to
get there.

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So July 2nd, the aliens arrive.
Everybody's freaked out, Will

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Smith reports to Base.
The president is putting stuff

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on lockdown and try not to get
people freaked out.

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Jeff Goldblum's driving to
Washington to have domestic

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drama inside the White House
with his ex-wife.

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And then the aliens attack.
And the most iconic sequence of

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this movie starts where that
building in Los Angeles blows up

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the Empire State Building, blows
up, the White House blows up.

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It freaking rules.
Oh yeah, it is.

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And like, I'm going to be honest
with you, Brad, there's only a

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few stretches of this movie
where some of the effects look

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hokey.
I will say that the actual like

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attack of the aliens, it holds
up tremendously well almost 30

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years later.
Yeah, that that's probably one

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of the few special effects area
that looks great.

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I thought that the shot of the
Statue of Liberty and like the

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surprisingly prescient burnt out
husks of the two towers.

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That shot was incredible.
Like, talk about a devastated

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America.
That's it in one shot.

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And they just, they nail it.
And so there there's so much of

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that initial attack that like,
you can tell where they put the

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budget in this movie.
And it wasn't on the script

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writers.
I do want to talk just for a

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minute since we're we're on
topic now.

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Like this is a pre 911 movie in
which an invading force knocks

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out national landmarks and
wreaks destruction and kills

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thousands of people.
And in this movie it's millions.

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But.
Which which also leads to peace

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in the Middle East.
True.

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So at the end of the film, the
Iraqis and I think the British.

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They're all working together,
man.

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Yeah, they're working together,
man.

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It's great.
So a pre 911 movie where this

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happens and I was thinking oh
like this seems very unique

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right?
But actually, that's not the

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case.
Like in in the 90s, there was a

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lot of movies where buildings
were getting knocked over, and

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even like Godzilla, you know,
the crappy 90s remake of that.

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But I don't think there's any
more.

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I don't know what's the
analogous thing to 911 than

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Independence Day in 90s cinema.
We'll see a little bit of that

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in Armageddon, the beginning of
that movie, in a couple weeks

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here.
It's really interesting man.

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And it's it's it's weird to
watch with a post 9/11 lens

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because I feel like when stuff
like this happens now, you know

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there's a lot of superhero
Movies Now where they will

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destroy a city in the final
fight of the movie.

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And a a criticism of that genre
is always like you.

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You can't just flippantly kill
thousands of people anymore in a

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post 911 world like it just
reads it.

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It feels icky, right?
And I think we were, we didn't

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feel icky about this in the 90s
because it hadn't happened in

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real life yet.
But there is a part of me that

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wonders, like, does America's
response to 911, is it inflected

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with movies like this where
somebody attacks us and we

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immediately attack back and
like, that's what America does?

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Do you know?
Like, it's just it's very weird

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to think about what actually
ends up unfolding in real

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history as a result of, or maybe
not a direct result of, but, you

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know, in the wake of movies like
this that came before it.

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Yeah, I mean it.
It's fascinating because there

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there are a lot of films still
to this day that represent

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America as like a trigger happy
reactionary nation.

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Like I'm even thinking about the
the monster universe.

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Like if you watch the first
Godzilla from like I don't know

450
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:11,400
20/13/2014 like Godzilla comes
and our our first response is to

451
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,560
new kid like like that's the
immediate response.

452
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,440
So I think you still see that in
media.

453
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,800
I was curious about the fact
that they don't actually portray

454
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,240
America's trigger happy in this
film.

455
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,240
No, no like.
For the longest time, the

456
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,600
president is trying to
communicate they.

457
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,040
I mean, I don't know if this is
an homage, but it seems like an

458
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,720
homage to close Encounters of
the Third Kind.

459
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,120
When they send up the helicopter
with the.

460
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,120
Yeah, like the light displays
and trying to communicate.

461
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,960
And I I do like that the the
director and scriptwriters are

462
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,840
like, we're not messing around
with, like are we here for

463
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,400
diplomatic relations The first
time they try to communicate

464
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,200
with the aliens, the aliens
shoot them down without mercy

465
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,200
like the like there's nothing in
there.

466
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,600
And and even later in the film
when they kind of quasi talk to

467
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,960
an alien man in a sequence that
kind of reminds me of of Alien

468
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,320
right when the.
Anyways, when they talk to him

469
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,680
there, it's like there's no
nothing going on there.

470
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,800
We are here to destroy your
world end of story.

471
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,160
And they make it so obvious that
they need to retaliate that they

472
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:24,960
retaliate.
Right.

473
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,640
And that's the thing that.
Is an interesting take.

474
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,480
And because they portray America
as so justified in doing it too.

475
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,360
You know what I mean?
Like.

476
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,480
Right.
We had no other choice, right?

477
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,120
So anyway, I don't want to go
down that road or open that can

478
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,160
of worms, but it's a it's an
interesting document now post

479
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,360
911.
Yeah.

480
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,960
Oh, and I will say like, watch
it.

481
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,560
It's always interesting to
watch, to examine cultural

482
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,520
artifacts partially just for our
own emotional response.

483
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,040
Like when I'm watching this and
I see the burning husk of 911 of

484
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,200
911.
When I see the burning husk of

485
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,480
the two towers in the scene
following the devastation of New

486
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,760
York.
Like I got a little emotional.

487
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Bob 100%.
I I remember being 11 years old

488
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:12,040
and seeing the twin towers
collapsing.

489
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,760
Like there is a part of me that
was like crap this is this is

490
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,440
bringing something up.
I yeah.

491
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,520
Anyways.
So the you know, there's a fade

492
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040
to black on July 2nd.
After all these cities get

493
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,880
absolutely annihilated, we fade
up on July 3rd.

494
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,680
There's going to be a counter
offensive.

495
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,720
We're going to send some fighter
pilots up there and see what

496
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,440
damage we can do.
And this is really where, like

497
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,680
the bulk of the movie's
exposition starts.

498
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,040
Because the first third is like,
we don't know anything about

499
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840
them and we're operating solely
based on fear and survival

500
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,840
instinct.
And the second day of the movie

501
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,360
is where the is where the movie
really drags.

502
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,760
Brad like I that middle third
there's some great sequences.

503
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,120
Like I I think that everything
that happens with Will Smith is

504
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,080
well done, like the the fighter
pilot stuff, the chase through

505
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,960
the canyons, punching an alien
in the face and saying welcome

506
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,520
to Earth.
This is a star making

507
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,240
performance for for Will Smith
and he was, you know, perhaps

508
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,640
the biggest actor on TV outside
of Bill Cosby with The Fresh

509
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,720
Prince.
He does Bad Boys in 1995.

510
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,760
That's a big hit.
But he like, he had not cemented

511
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:19,600
his movie star credentials.
And then this movie comes out

512
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,920
and you're right, dude.
Like it's remembered as a Will

513
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,160
Smith movie.
He is not even like, I don't

514
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,600
even think he's in the movie as
much as Bill Pullman is.

515
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,680
No.
And so, like, it says a whole

516
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,840
lot about the charisma that my
guy was bringing to the screen

517
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,600
in 1996, that not only do we
remember it as a Will Smith

518
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,160
movie, but it just absolutely
catapults him into the A list

519
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,080
pretty much immediately.
Yeah, yeah.

520
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,200
I mean, at the end of the day,
Bill Pullman as an actor is

521
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760
somebody that I've never heard
of, Bob so.

522
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,280
He's, I mean, he's been in a lot
of movies, but he was never

523
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,080
like, outside of this, his
biggest role ever is probably

524
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,920
like he was the lead in
Spaceballs, like the Mel Brooks

525
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,280
movie.
He is.

526
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,280
That's that's funny.
I didn't make that connection.

527
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,200
And and like, I feel like, you
know, we, we haven't really

528
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,280
talked about performance as
much.

529
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,320
So let's sprinkle some in here.
Bill Pullman, when I was a kid,

530
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,840
I was like, that's a president.
And now I watch it and I'm like,

531
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,240
that's a guy trying to do a
Clint Eastwood gruff voice.

532
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,080
And I don't know why he's doing
that voice the whole movie.

533
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,600
And I don't know that this is a
good performance.

534
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,400
Yeah, it's not a great
performance.

535
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,480
It would honestly be probably my
least favorite performance from

536
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,280
the main kind of characters in
the film, if not for the fact

537
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,000
that he, like, transforms into
like, I don't know, like Jack

538
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Nicholson and A Few Good Men and
just gives a speech to beat all

539
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,760
speeches at the end of the film.
All right, go ahead.

540
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,200
No, we'll get there.
We'll get there.

541
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,680
We're on Day 2 right now, so.
Oh, I'm sorry.

542
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,800
Yeah, so Will Smith's whole
thing happens.

543
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,120
What What's going on in this
part of the movie, too is like,

544
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,760
it's it's kind of your classic
trilogy.

545
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,640
They're trying to do a whole
trilogy in one movie, like

546
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,840
something happens at the end of
the first movie that leaves you

547
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,200
wanting more.
In the second film, our heroes

548
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,320
are like truly laid low.
And you think that we're laid

549
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120
low after the first day where
all of our cities are bombed.

550
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,240
But then on the second day we
try nuking the ship and nothing

551
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,000
works.
You know, we get this extended

552
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,200
sequence in Area 51, which
really that whole sequence kind

553
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,160
of sucks, But like you get a
great tip into horror for a

554
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,160
minute where a live alien
communicates the intentions of

555
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,560
the aliens to the president and
then through the vocal.

556
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Cords of a dead human being?
Yeah, it's incredible.

557
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,440
And then the that section of the
movie ends with personal loss,

558
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,920
like the the the president's
wife dies, the first lady dead

559
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,880
on July 3rd.
Can I can I please just comment

560
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,640
on that for one please?
Please.

561
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Please the The president's wife
dies.

562
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,480
Why?
Because the plot needs her.

563
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,520
She needs to die.
Yeah, that's exactly why.

564
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,240
That's like literally what the
Doctor says.

565
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,520
He's like, isn't there anything
you can do?

566
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,960
And the Doctor just kind of
shrugs his shoulders and he's

567
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,080
like, well, she doesn't have
plot armor, so.

568
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,000
If she maybe if she'd gotten
here sooner.

569
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Yeah, but like, what's wrong?
She just didn't get here sooner.

570
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Yeah, exactly.
So she dies.

571
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,960
You have a a cute kid saying is
mommy sleeping?

572
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,760
The the waterworks are on Brad
but not.

573
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,800
Just a cute kid.
A cute kid who has been in

574
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,880
another movie in the film and
whiskey history.

575
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,960
Oh, who is this?
She her name is Mae Whitmore.

576
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,840
I believe she is in Scott
Pilgrim versus the.

577
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,120
World.
Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah.

578
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,880
Is that Mae Whitman?
I think it's Whitman.

579
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,640
That's her.
Yeah, that's Mae Whitman, man.

580
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,600
That's the president's daughter,
man.

581
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,240
She's like kind of a minor
character in a bunch of films.

582
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,680
OK, we're running long here, so
let's let's put day three after

583
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,080
the break.
But before we wrap this up here,

584
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,800
I want to talk about why I think
the middle section of this movie

585
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,880
sucks so much, Brad.
And it is because this is where

586
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,440
they start forcing these
characters stories to overlap.

587
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,920
Randy Quaid meets Will Smith and
Vivica A Fox meets the First

588
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,200
Lady, and Jeff Goldblum and the
President are already hanging

589
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400
out.
And it's like, do we need every

590
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,440
one of these groups of people to
have multiple layers of

591
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,080
interaction in each other's
lives?

592
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,440
Because it kind of just seems
like we're doing Crash but with

593
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680
aliens for a while and that does
not work.

594
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Like, I don't, I don't care
about the human drama here.

595
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,240
Like, aliens blow stuff up, we
blow up the aliens.

596
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,080
That's the that's needs to be
the plot here.

597
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,560
I was thinking like a is it New
Year's Eve, the the movie where

598
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720
there's like 80 different stars
in it and they all have

599
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,960
overlapping lives?
That that's kind of what I was

600
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,160
thinking as I as I watch this.
I was like, oh, it's a it's a

601
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,200
action New Year, New Year's Eve.
But crucially, with aliens.

602
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:24,760
With aliens, Aliens that if I'm
being honest the the the inside

603
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,720
aliens aren't great.
The alien that kills all the

604
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,640
people in the in the lab the.
Exoskeleton.

605
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,920
Right, one of the.
Coolest designs, yes.

606
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,520
And I think that if there's a
scene that we could talk about,

607
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,720
it is this scene where so Will
Smith punches an alien in the

608
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,800
head and it is unconscious for
hours apparently.

609
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,840
He's got a hell of a right.
Hook until they get him down

610
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,520
into the operating room and they
are cutting off this like

611
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,960
exoskeleton that the aliens use.
And you start to see, you know,

612
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,520
the fingers are moving and it's
one of the great horror tropes

613
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,560
of like you are trapped in a
room with a thing that's going

614
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,480
to kill everybody in the room.
Like this is the doc ock in

615
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,800
Spider Man 2 kind of a thing.
And boy oh boy, the IT It is

616
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,880
completely out of left field
because the rest of the movie

617
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,239
does not have this tone at all.
But I will say it's still

618
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,199
effective.
Sure is, man.

619
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,639
And even like when the rest of
the group comes to the lab and

620
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,159
the lab is covered in smoke and
you can't see anything, the

621
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,320
cameras like slowly zooming and
like pushing in on the on the

622
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,679
window and I'm like, Oh yeah,
one of the dead bodies is going

623
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,520
to get shoved up against the
window and it's going to happen

624
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,000
right about now.
Oh crap.

625
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,520
It still gives you.
Yeah.

626
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,840
All right, man.
I think we're in a good spot to

627
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,440
press pause.
This is a fun episode so far.

628
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,239
I really love talking about this
movie, but I'm ready to dive

629
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,360
into more contentious ground.
So let's talk a little bit about

630
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080
this.
Will it pot still?

631
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,239
What do you say I'm?
Sorry, pot.

632
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,000
Still pot.
Still.

633
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,240
I'm ready, Bob.
Let's do it.

634
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,800
All right.
So today we are checking out.

635
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,120
Will it pot still reserve?
Brad, I've already mentioned it

636
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,440
a couple times.
I've said that this is a

637
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840
contentious whiskey.
I guess I'll just put it

638
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,440
straight to you.
Were you aware that this was a

639
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520
contentious whiskey and like,
what do you know about it?

640
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,560
I would say yes, I I know that
the vibes on this whiskey are

641
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,600
are really harsh.
And when I say vibes, I mean

642
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,480
like genuinely people's thoughts
that this is something people

643
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520
either seem to really love or
really hate.

644
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,320
And I always had the impression
that it was an expensive

645
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,680
whiskey, and maybe that's
because I had heard about it

646
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,160
three or four years ago.
I I mean, I'll spoil the value.

647
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Not my score, but it's a it's
about a $50 bottle of whiskey.

648
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,800
Yeah, and it doesn't really did
experience a spike during the

649
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,360
the peak of the bourbon boom.
But then there is enough ill

650
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,640
will towards this whiskey out
there that like it market

651
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,080
corrected itself.
It's like one of the few ones

652
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,280
that has kind of come back down
into a reasonable range.

653
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,440
Yeah.
And I I don't know, do you know

654
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,080
if it's like really hard to find
even though it's at 50 ish on

655
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,680
the secondary?
Yes or no.

656
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,040
I mean, I I think that this is
like as available as regular

657
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,960
Buffalo Trace.
OK.

658
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,840
You know what I mean?
Like it's kind of allocated, but

659
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,160
not really.
Yep.

660
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,920
So this is from obviously the
Willett distillery.

661
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,840
Willett started making this I
believe back in 2008.

662
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,840
It was originally introduced as
a single barrel whiskey and then

663
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:43,240
in 2011 or 2012 they kind of on
on the hush hush swapped out the

664
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,440
labels to say small batch.
They said that at no point where

665
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,360
the batch is any larger than 12
barrels, so it's a true small

666
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,920
batch whiskey.
This was not something that was

667
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,240
being distilled by Willett
because Willett didn't distill

668
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,320
whiskey for a long, long time
and so it was always a fun game

669
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,600
people played to try to figure
out where this whiskey came

670
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,640
from.
Most people thought it was from

671
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,280
Heaven Hill.
I do have it on very good

672
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,080
authority, Brad, that this is
actually being made 100% by the

673
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,640
Willett Distillery now that they
have their operations up and

674
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,240
running and that it does in fact
use a pot still in its

675
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,400
distillation.
So one of the big knocks on this

676
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,720
whiskey, because if you've ever
seen the bottles, the bottle of

677
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:24,840
whiskey is shaped like a pot.
Still, it is a very cool, albeit

678
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,280
gimmicky bottle.
Yeah, I I don't care if it's

679
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,480
gimmicky.
It's a really cool.

680
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,240
It's cool.
Yeah.

681
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,040
Like I I have nothing against
it.

682
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,480
I just for a long time people
said we don't actually know if

683
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,920
there's a pot still involved in
the production of this whiskey

684
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,400
or if they just put it in a
bottle shaped like a pot still

685
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,960
and then called it pot still
whiskey.

686
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,400
That's involving a pot still.
It's a pot still replica.

687
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,760
Made of glass?
Sure.

688
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,040
Yeah, made of glass that holds
the whiskey.

689
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:56,240
But again I can say as far as I
know 2024 it is being 100% made

690
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,920
by Willett and it it does use a
pot still in the distillation

691
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,560
process.
So on that note, let me say

692
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,040
this.
It's 94 proof.

693
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,360
We do not know the exact mash
bill on it, but it's suspected

694
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,680
to be will.
It's weeded mash bill.

695
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Brad, I'm pretty excited to dive
into this.

696
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,680
It's been years since I've tried
this thing.

697
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,920
Yeah, I I tried it at some point
with, I believe, my friend who

698
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,320
gave this to us, Wes.
So thank you, Wes.

699
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,480
Thanks, Wes.
Yeah, what a guy.

700
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,720
I'm excited as well.
My notes on it honestly are very

701
00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:31,920
interesting.
I I landed at an interesting

702
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
place and I'm excited for us
both to get there.

703
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,240
For me, the nose was decent, it
was satisfactory.

704
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:46,240
It didn't blow me away.
I got some vanilla cake, kind of

705
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:51,520
like a a really dark Raspberry,
and and then like I'm going to

706
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,440
use a different phrase because I
don't want to use this phrase.

707
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,960
I'll let you take over it.
I do have a.

708
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,480
Treatment.
I'm going to call it Dusty

709
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,040
Attic.
That's that's the note I got on

710
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,760
the nose.
Overall, a decent nose.

711
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,640
I'll give it a 7 out of 10.
My first note, Brad, that I

712
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,280
wrote down was the Will It
freaking funk.

713
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,320
Not just the will it funk.
Dude, I don't know how they do

714
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,840
it because, like, for so long
they were sourcing this whiskey

715
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,800
and now they're making it
themselves and their whiskey

716
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,600
still smells exactly the same.
Like about season 6 or so.

717
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,880
Season five, maybe.
We finally pinpointed what the

718
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,480
funk is, and it's not actually
funk.

719
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,960
It's like rose petal.
There's a ton of rose on this

720
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,200
and it's here, man.
It's here in spades.

721
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,760
But there was also this really
weird note that I got underneath

722
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,880
it, and it was like burnt paper.
It wasn't like char, it wasn't

723
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,920
ash, it wasn't cigarette or
tobacco or anything.

724
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,200
It's like when you accidentally,
like, catch a piece of paper on

725
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,040
fire.
There's a very specific smell to

726
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,880
the way that burns.
Is this a common occurrence for

727
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,400
you, Bob?
You know, listen, man, when I

728
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,080
get top secret messages, you got
to burn those things with fire.

729
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,920
All your Mission Impossible
messages that self destruct.

730
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,480
So it was just a really weird
thing to have underneath those

731
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,240
layers of rose, and I couldn't
tell if it was tipping me off to

732
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:15,080
something bad coming.
But in a vacuum, it wasn't a bad

733
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,960
nose.
It was just like, I'm going to

734
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,240
take note, you know what I mean?
So I'll give it a 7 out of 10 on

735
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:25,920
the nose.
The pallet here, I got a really

736
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,000
interesting note of I I don't
know if you've been overseas

737
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,720
much, Bob, I haven't.
But the one time I was, they had

738
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,800
cherry juice in Ukraine, and it
was incredible.

739
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,520
And I got a very distinct vibe
of like a really fresh, juicy

740
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,920
cherry juice.
There was some Coca-Cola notes.

741
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,560
There's a little bit of like a
salted caramel.

742
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,080
I got some some like really
salty peanuts.

743
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,320
All of that might make it sound
like I liked this whiskey.

744
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,280
I was just OK with it.
I was too.

745
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,960
I came, yeah, I came to a 6 1/2
out of 10 on the on the palate.

746
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,520
I did too.
Yeah.

747
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,160
It's.
Interesting and unique.

748
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,720
I just don't know if I like it
or not.

749
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,320
I think the most controversial
thing I'm going to say about

750
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,160
this whiskey on this review is
that almost every category was

751
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,560
middle of the road for me.
I neither loved it nor hated it.

752
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,680
And for a whiskey to be so
divisive, I was really expecting

753
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,760
super bold, prominent flavors.
And for me, I'm actually kind of

754
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,440
envious that you picked up on so
much because you know, Brad, I I

755
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,920
just got over a cold like a week
ago and now I'm like Oh my gosh,

756
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,920
should I be COVID testing
because I didn't taste any of

757
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,000
these things that Brad tasted.
In fact, for me, I was like this

758
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,280
has a surprising lack of flavor
when compared to other Willit

759
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,880
products.
Like it was kind of non existent

760
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,480
flavor wise at the front of my
palate and it wasn't until the

761
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,800
middle and the back part of my
palate that I started picking up

762
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,160
anything.
It, you know, I feel like the

763
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,000
mouthfeel and the experience of
drinking.

764
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,800
It was really pleasant and it
drank like an expensive whiskey,

765
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,040
like it.
It grows really nicely.

766
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,440
It builds on the palate.
There's good spice here.

767
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,680
The alcohol is never harsh, but
it like, it leaves a nice little

768
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,600
layer of like a prickly effect
when you go to swallow.

769
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,200
But it just reminded me of
Noah's Mill, which I love so

770
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,280
much.
But if you took all of the

771
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,000
sweetness out of Noah's Mill, it
had some char to it.

772
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,960
It wasn't bitter, it was just
kind of like kind of bland

773
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,480
compared to other Willett
products that I've had.

774
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,920
On my second sip I got a little
bit of like a almost like a

775
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,160
blended Scotch kind of flavor.
It definitely didn't taste like

776
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,120
a weeded bourbon to me like at
all.

777
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,440
So I just gave it a 6 1/2 and
then on the finish, like I said,

778
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,400
it has a nice chest burn like a
really good oak base.

779
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,080
It's perfectly fine and I think
it would make a really good

780
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,680
cocktail because it has
everything you need like that a

781
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,040
whiskey needs to announce itself
with in a mixed drink, but just

782
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,200
it doesn't have flavours to
stand up on its own.

783
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,560
It's almost like a super high
quality mixer, so I gave it a 6

784
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,800
1/2 there as well.
That's so funny, man on on my

785
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,360
finish, the first note I took
it, it took me a little bit to

786
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,080
get to it, but it reminded me of
like the egg white that we put

787
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,520
in the whiskey sour.
And not that I like ever, like

788
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,280
just eat or drink.
Just egg whites.

789
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,640
But for some reason that's what
I couldn't get out of my my

790
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,040
brain.
Like that specific texture of an

791
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,200
egg white mixed in with your
your whiskey sour.

792
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,120
That's what I was getting there.
There was black pepper, there's

793
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,240
tobacco.
It got kind of ashy for me after

794
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,120
it sat on my my palate for a
little bit.

795
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,600
I actually think I liked the
finish better than anything

796
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,040
else.
I gave it a 7 1/2 on the finish.

797
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,200
Balance wise, I give it a six
out of 10 Bob.

798
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,440
It's just such a weird mix of
flavours and I don't think it's

799
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,120
bad.
It's just so strange I I don't

800
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,800
know if I love it or hate it.
I.

801
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,600
I actually gave it a 7 1/2 on
the balance I like, which is

802
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,640
higher than any of the
individual categories.

803
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,080
But I think it's actually quite
nicely balanced.

804
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,600
It's just it's it's nicely
balanced for what it is, which

805
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:18,200
is a cocktail with a really good
backbone, but or a cocktail, a

806
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,920
whiskey with a really good
backbone but with like no

807
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:28,200
accoutrements like it.
It is like a solid highish proof

808
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,440
whiskey with no flavor.
And it's kind of that throughout

809
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,280
the whole experience I was like
you know what if this is your

810
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,600
thing, it does that pretty well.
So that was a 7 1/2 for me.

811
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,560
And then we get to value.
Now Brad, you've already kind of

812
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,480
tipped your hand a little bit
about value in the state of

813
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,400
Ohio.
This is selling for $57 a

814
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,480
bottle.
It's a little bit cheaper out of

815
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,480
state like in a you know, non
price controlled regions.

816
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,000
At 57 this is probably going to
be my lowest score.

817
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,000
I think this is only like a 5
1/2 for me Brad, it's a cool

818
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,640
bottle, but the whiskey inside
of it, it's non age stated.

819
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,240
It's not, it's not purported to
be any older than like five

820
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,440
years.
Some people are arguing that

821
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,640
it's like 8 to 10 year.
I don't think that's true.

822
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
And I just don't think that like
at 94 proof that there's really

823
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,480
anything that you're paying for
here to justify 57 dollars

824
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,920
outside of the bottle.
Yeah, I I'm with you.

825
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,800
I I'm going to give it a 5 out
of 10 actually for value at

826
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,840
almost $60.00.
There's just a lot of other

827
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,040
things to spend your money on.
I I mean I I will say like this

828
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,560
is a fascinating whiskey.
I I I think it's very

829
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,560
interesting and it deserves some
level of buzz around people

830
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,760
loving and hating it.
But overall like I'm coming to a

831
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,640
32 out of 50.
Like it's not my favorite

832
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,360
whiskey.
It is not bad.

833
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,440
It's well made.
It's definitely not going to be

834
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,720
everybody's cup of tea.
If I had to guess, I would

835
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:05,040
imagine that like 25 to 30% of
people who drink this actually

836
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,360
really like it.
I'm at a 33 out of 50, so I'm

837
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,600
really close to you.
And for the second week in a

838
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,240
row, I'm going to say by the
Noah's Mill, which is almost the

839
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,920
exact same price and a whiskey
that I truly love and just water

840
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,840
it down to 94 proof because I
think it's better than this.

841
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,240
And so, like, you know, that
doesn't sound like a ringing

842
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,480
endorsement.
We're coming to a 32.5 out of 50

843
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,160
or 65 out of 100.
We're just below the 35 out of

844
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,560
50 threshold where we usually
start recommending stuff.

845
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,240
I'm not going to recommend this,
but it's not because I'm opposed

846
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:41,560
to it.
You know what I mean?

847
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,680
Like, I feel like people are
going to see that we said, oh,

848
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,040
we don't recommend will it pot
still.

849
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,440
And they'll be like, aha, I knew
it, you know, but like, it's

850
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,080
fine.
It's a fine whiskey.

851
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,880
I think the the big
differentiation point for me is

852
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,080
the price.
Like if it was cheaper, I'd

853
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,120
probably tip into the 35 range.
Yeah, honestly, if it was $10

854
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,080
cheaper, like if this was like a
45 to $50 whiskey, I'd say yeah,

855
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,040
this is a really unique and
interesting whiskey for under

856
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:13,440
$50.00.
But 50 definitely is a wall when

857
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,040
it comes to purchasing whiskey
that I have to really like

858
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,480
something to spend over half of
$100 on it.

859
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,840
So yeah, I'm just going to go
buy a bottle of Quinta Ruben or

860
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,920
Wild Turkey rare breed at this
point over something like this.

861
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,000
All right, man.
Well, we're going to leave

862
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,080
Willett Pot still behind us.
We're going to get back into

863
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,640
talking about Independence Day,
the greatest film ever made.

864
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,360
What do you say?
Obviously, yeah, I'm ready,

865
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,440
dude.
Let's get to it.

866
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,360
All right, that was Willet Pot
still reserved.

867
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Brad, I'm not going to do any
fancy segways.

868
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,160
I'm going to ask you this.
Should we finish talking about

869
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,400
the movie and then do 2 facts
and a falsehood?

870
00:47:53,720 --> 00:47:56,080
Or should we keep the people in
suspense and do our game?

871
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Let's do our game, Bob.
They They deserve to to linger a

872
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,760
little longer.
All right.

873
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,760
Well, that means it is time for
two facts and a falsehood.

874
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball.

875
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:16,400
Two all right And what is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

876
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,160
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

877
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,080
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

878
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,400
which is a complete lie and
fabrication.

879
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,600
And I have to annihilate it the
way that the aliens try to

880
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,760
annihilate us in this film.
Brad, I am sitting pretty.

881
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,640
I I think I'm at like 6:00 and
2:00 on the season.

882
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,000
Yeah, you you're nailing it,
man.

883
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,720
I don't.
Also, how are we 8 movies in?

884
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,720
Well, this is this is movie 9.
Yeah, that's insane.

885
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:46,840
I know, man.
It's crazy.

886
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,920
I'm not really worried about
whether I win or lose today,

887
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,760
Brad.
I am in a position of

888
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,960
pompousness today.
So.

889
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,560
Pompousness.
Pomposity.

890
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,920
So hit me with your two facts
and a falsehood.

891
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Fact #1.
Filming took place in the summer

892
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,160
of 1995, and unexpectedly,
production was delayed for a few

893
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,320
days when filming in the Los
Angeles airport because it had a

894
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,880
bomb threat from none other than
the Unabomber Ted Kaczynski Fact

895
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,600
#2.
The production team came up with

896
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,120
two primary designs for the
large alien warships, and

897
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,360
director Roland Emmerich liked
them both so much that he

898
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,480
decided to keep them, one
becoming the massive warships

899
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,200
scattered across the planets and
the other becoming the mother

900
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,640
ship that Will Smith and Jeff
Goldblum had to fly into.

901
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,080
Fact #3 Will Smith's line while
dragging the alien back to the

902
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,000
base.
What the hell is that Smell Was

903
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,520
completely unscripted.
The Great Salt Lake flats, where

904
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,080
the scene was shot has an issue
where when the wind is just

905
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,240
right, it can kick up the smell
of millions of decaying brine

906
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:55,840
shrimp from the nearby lake.
Brad, these are three really

907
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,000
good facts and or made-up facts
because they all sound pretty

908
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,320
pretty reasonable.
I I'm going to be honest with

909
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,560
you dude.
I think that the design of both

910
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:10,920
the little alien fighter jets
and the city wide size ships are

911
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,160
really, really cool.
I've always hated the design of

912
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,520
the mothership.
It looks like a big flee like

913
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,160
it's just floating through space
with his little legs.

914
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,920
I don't like it.
So I kind of want #2 to be false

915
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,680
just because I want to on that a
little bit #3 see.

916
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,160
I don't know.
Did would Will Smith have been

917
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,360
improvising?
I don't know.

918
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,560
Brad, you got me today.
I got you, man.

919
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,400
I'm going to say one is.
Do you think that Ted Kaczynski

920
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,040
was threatening the Los Angeles
airport?

921
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,640
I mean, I'm going to be
surprised.

922
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:46,840
He was threatening a lot of
people.

923
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,480
I think that one sounds the most
plausible.

924
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,240
I I think one is a fact just
because it is like, why would

925
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:55,840
you make up a fact about the
Unabomber?

926
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,080
It has nothing to do with this
movie.

927
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,280
So it's either two or three.
And it just depends on did Will

928
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Smith improvise?
I'm going to say I'm going to

929
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,480
say two is the falsehood, Brad,
But I think he might have gotten

930
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,080
me today.
Bob, you are on a hell of A roll

931
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,480
like America in Independence
Day.

932
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,080
You are firing on also.
Oh, it was too.

933
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,240
It was too Wow, that was the
falsehood, man.

934
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,520
Yeah, so apparently the lakes
have all of these, like, brine

935
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,960
shrimp that like live in the
lakes.

936
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,800
But as they die, they they decay
into like the silt.

937
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,360
And if the wind hits just wrong,
it like just spreads this

938
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,200
reeking smell.
And Will Smith had no idea about

939
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,240
it and he just, you know, on one
of the takes as he's dragging

940
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,360
this alien across across the
salt flats, he just casually

941
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
goes, what the hell is that
smell like?

942
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,920
As a more serious question to
somebody.

943
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,920
And they're like, oh, this is
perfect, Let's keep that in

944
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,400
there.
All right, man, let's get back

945
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,040
into talking about the movie
itself.

946
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,200
So there's a fade in on July 4th
after Mommy sleeping now, OK?

947
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,640
And we're we're back at it.
Everyone has been emotionally

948
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,360
devastated.
Jeff Goldblum is drinking

949
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,040
himself into a stupor because he
doesn't care anymore and the

950
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,520
world's going to end And and
then Judd Hirsch comes in and

951
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,080
and says like, oh you're going
to catch cold down there and and

952
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,120
he goes, he goes, wait, say that
again.

953
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,080
I hate when characters do this
but he does the say that again.

954
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,680
What you're going to catch cold.
He goes yes, like OK and and we

955
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:48,560
are off on a mission to infect
the light years traveling alien

956
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,400
mothership with a virus from
Windows 95.

957
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Yep.
And boy oh boy, if there is

958
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,320
anything 90s about this movie,
it is the idea that, you know,

959
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,480
no one knows what antivirus
software is yet.

960
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,640
Definitely not the aliens.
Definitely not the aliens.

961
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,040
They don't need that stuff, man.
So OK, I want to talk about that

962
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,760
plot line and get your thoughts
on that, because there's good

963
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,960
stuff that happens on July 4th,
but there's also like, look,

964
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,600
it's a movie about aliens
attacking Earth.

965
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,320
And even I was like, this is
implausible, you know what I

966
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,920
mean?
Yeah, yeah.

967
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:27,360
I mean, it's that element of you
set your heroes up with an

968
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,800
impossible task and then you
give them a way to accomplish

969
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,840
the task.
The key in any film is whether

970
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,800
it's, you know, Lord of the
Rings, Frodo being able to throw

971
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,880
the ring into the Into Mountain
Doom.

972
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,200
You know, whether it's Star Wars
them able to blow up the Death

973
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Star, Like the way in which they
defeat the impossible odds has

974
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,200
to feel plausible.
Like like like it came about in

975
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,280
this this moment of ingenuity
and at the end of the day like

976
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,640
to believe even that the initial
premise they use radio

977
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:08,800
communication that we could hack
into is ridiculous.

978
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,000
Like they they flat out say
these aliens communicate through

979
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,360
like sight like psychic means,
and yet for some reason they're

980
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,000
transmitting radio broadcasts
and not only are they doing

981
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,840
that, we can like reverse
engineer it to destroy their

982
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,560
Shields.
OK, cut.

983
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,760
Oh OK yeah.
These super psychic like world

984
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,760
destroying aliens who have
destroyed thousands of worlds

985
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,520
beforehand.
They also rely on radio

986
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,080
technology.
Got it?

987
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:43,800
Sure.
Yep.

988
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:47,560
I mean, have you also considered
that these are not Americans and

989
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,680
so they're just not as
intelligent as we are?

990
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,920
That's true.
I hadn't thought about that.

991
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,880
I mean, that's the message of
the film here, Brad.

992
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,640
Although, like, wouldn't they
have been the Americans of their

993
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:00,320
original planet?
I believe they're the British of

994
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,200
their original planet,
obviously.

995
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,040
All right, here's another
nitpick.

996
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,320
Now that we're talking about the
plausibility of this Alien

997
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,120
movie, you know how, like, it
always positions The ships

998
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,680
always position themselves
directly over their target, And

999
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,520
the target is like, in the dead
center of where the ship is,

1000
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,000
'cause it has this laser beam
that comes down at the end of

1001
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,120
the film.
The ship has moved to, like,

1002
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:26,040
directly over this military base
that all of our heroes are far

1003
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,200
underground in.
And then they blow the ship up

1004
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,920
and the ship falls to Earth.
Like, you're still, you're still

1005
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,880
very much trapped there, right?
Like, I don't know.

1006
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,240
How do you get out of that
situation?

1007
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,640
No, they're totally fine.
But don't think about it.

1008
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,520
I totally didn't think about it
myself.

1009
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,040
That question never came up.
Never came up one time.

1010
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,400
It's very obvious that they're
going to be just fine.

1011
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,880
Honestly, as they blew it up the
final time, I thought that they

1012
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,240
were going to do like some sort
of like it just like implodes on

1013
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,960
itself and burns up into
nothingness.

1014
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,040
But no, they they show it
falling to the ground and I was

1015
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:07,120
like, hot what?
OK, sure, why not.

1016
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,000
So the the climax of this movie
is what I am going to refer to

1017
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,920
as a double Star Wars.
And this is after a guy we

1018
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,680
follow on YouTube, Brad named
Ryan George who does the pitch

1019
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,960
meetings.
He had this extended thing in

1020
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,520
the Top Gun Maverick pitch
meeting where he talks about how

1021
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,560
they have to do a Star Wars
because the end of the movie is

1022
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,080
just, it's just A New Hope.
And this movie we're doing a

1023
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,920
double Star Wars.
We have Jeff Goldblum and Will

1024
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:38,440
Smith going into the mothership
to upload a virus and they have

1025
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,320
to get back out and then blow
the ship up.

1026
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,800
And on Earth you have the
president of the United States

1027
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,960
saying, hey, I'm going to go fly
this mission to blow up this big

1028
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,840
citywide destroyer.
And so they're doing a Star Wars

1029
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,440
'cause they have to find, you
know, the equivalent of, like,

1030
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,000
the vent hole from A New Hope.
And it's freaking great, man.

1031
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,240
The end of the movie is so
preposterous, and I love it so,

1032
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,080
so much.
And it all kicks off when Bill

1033
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:06,880
Pullman has his presidential
moment.

1034
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,560
And I had the text of this this
speech pulled up.

1035
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,440
I'm not going to say it, but
when my guy goes into, like

1036
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:20,000
second gear and he's like, you
know, Independence Day, July 4th

1037
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,720
will no longer be an American
holiday, but it will be a

1038
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,520
holiday where, like the whole
world says.

1039
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,440
And then he just kicks it up a
notch and he does.

1040
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,800
We will not go quietly into the
night.

1041
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:34,000
And I'm like, dude, I was like,
yes, like I I have seen this

1042
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,080
movie 35 times and my wife is
sitting across the room for me.

1043
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,240
She's like, I've never seen
this.

1044
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,440
And I said you came in at the
perfect time because America is

1045
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,400
about to kick so much ass.
You don't need to know.

1046
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,560
Anything has happened previously
and I realized halfway through

1047
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:55,040
this speech that it is so moving
that I was like tearing up as an

1048
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,800
American.
And my wife notices me having an

1049
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,720
emotional response to Bill
Pullman's alien speech.

1050
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,080
And I'm be honest with you, I am
not ashamed.

1051
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,240
It is so good, Brad.
Yeah, it's incredible.

1052
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,000
Like, as I was doing my
research, for two facts and a

1053
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,560
falsehood, the the crew, weirdly
this feels strange.

1054
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,720
They weren't actually instructed
to applaud at the end of the

1055
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,480
speech.
It was supposed to be like in

1056
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,440
the script.
It was just a like go back to

1057
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,000
work, you know, maybe a little
more energized.

1058
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,840
They actually just spontaneously
burst into applause as the

1059
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,560
speech ended.
And for good reason, because

1060
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:38,920
Bill Pullman was half dead
throughout the film and he comes

1061
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,880
to freaking life and just
delivers an incredible speech

1062
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,880
here.
It's so good, and I love that at

1063
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,360
that part of the movie too.
They're like, we don't have

1064
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,000
enough people to fly planes.
Anyone who thinks they can fly

1065
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,520
can fly a plane now and then
they like cut to the the crowd

1066
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,440
of people he's talking to and
they look like it looks like the

1067
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,400
production team just went into
like every bar in the area and

1068
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,680
pulled guys out.
And but, like, it works so well

1069
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,440
for what they're trying to do
because like that's what America

1070
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,000
looks like.
Let's be honest here.

1071
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,880
Like there's just scraggly
looking dudes with beards.

1072
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,560
And then Bill Pullman gives them
the speech and they they're all

1073
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,200
drunk and they all immediately
burst into cheers.

1074
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,840
It's incredible.
And Randy Quaid is picked a hell

1075
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,000
of a day to.
Quit drinking.

1076
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,440
OK man.
Before we get into our last

1077
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,920
segment of the day, I want you
to give me 30 seconds on the

1078
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,880
last 30 minutes of the movie.
How does it work for you?

1079
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,160
What holds up?
What doesn't hold up?

1080
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,320
Is it the best part of the movie
or?

1081
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,720
No, there's elements of it that
are great.

1082
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:46,520
The the speech is great.
I think the final shot of the

1083
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,760
alien ship getting blown up is
great.

1084
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,920
I I think that the tension of it
as it like opens up and starts

1085
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,440
to shoot, it's it's giant laser
beam is great.

1086
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:02,760
But overall, I think that they
struggle a lot from the CG of

1087
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,280
the day for the fact that I I
kept, and this was kind of my

1088
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,320
note throughout all of the
technical aspects of the film.

1089
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,200
Every time they had a scene of
like a spaceship attacking the

1090
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,600
the F sixteens or you know,
getting into dog fights,

1091
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,200
whatever, I just kept thinking
to myself, man, Star Wars did

1092
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,800
this better in 77, like like
Return Return of the Jedi did

1093
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,040
this better and that was like
over a decade before this.

1094
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,000
And I think that was my big
issue.

1095
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:40,480
I just don't think they did the
fight scenes very well.

1096
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:46,720
And if you're gonna do it an
alien versus human sci-fi film,

1097
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,880
you gotta nail the dog fighting
and you you have to really nail

1098
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:57,680
the the feeling of terror as
enemy alien ships fill the sky

1099
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,440
and I just don't think that they
nailed that.

1100
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,360
So that's that's my biggest let
down for the end of the film.

1101
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,720
You don't like it when Bill,
when Bill Pullman says come on

1102
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,440
boys, let's plow the road and
then they just start firing

1103
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,240
machine guns.
It's great, dude, you.

1104
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,600
I just don't think you're a
lover of cinema.

1105
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,000
I think is what we're finding
out today.

1106
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,640
I don't think I am.
I hate it.

1107
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,880
That's why I've been doing this
podcast for so long.

1108
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,120
All right, man.
It's time for our last segment

1109
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,120
of the day, which we call.
Let's make it a double.

1110
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,680
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things Listening to

1111
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,520
the Film and Whiskey show.
Let's favorite another film with

1112
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:32,920
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1113
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,360
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1114
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,640
Let's make it a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,640
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

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01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,200
feature.
Brad, I have not given one

1117
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,840
second's thought to this, so I'm
going to let you go first.

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01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,480
I actually have what I think to
be a absolute perfect pairing

1119
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,720
for this movie.
It is another film that has

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:02,600
preposterous battles, really
terrible dialogue, many not

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01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:07,480
memorable characters and just
some kick ass fight scenes.

1122
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:14,280
I am going to recommend 2013's
Pacific Rim 'cause that would

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01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:19,200
just be the most humans are the
best and everybody else can go

1124
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,040
kick rocks movie pairing that I
could imagine.

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01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,840
I have absolutely no idea what
to pair this movie with, I

1126
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,080
think.
Yeah, I mean, do you want some

1127
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,120
recommendations?
No, I think I'm going to go, and

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01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,480
it's like a really lame one, but
I'm going to go with Return of

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01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,160
the King.
I think that's like the obvious

1130
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,720
one here, because you get.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

1131
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,800
How is Return of the King the
obvious?

1132
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:42,720
Fair.
Here's how.

1133
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,200
Here's how It's obvious.
It's obvious because there's

1134
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,640
like 2 movies that I think of
that are also in the like

1135
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,960
Rousing the troops with a speech
and it's Braveheart and it's

1136
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,000
this or and you know, it's
Return of the King.

1137
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,800
I don't really want to rewatch
Braveheart anytime soon.

1138
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,200
It's fine.
It's a fine movie.

1139
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,840
I will also say if I can give
one really hot take, I think

1140
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,880
this is a better speech than
William Wallace's speech in

1141
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,080
Braveheart.
And here's why.

1142
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,160
William Wallace's speech is like
maybe three sentences long.

1143
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,320
We just like the way he
delivers.

1144
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,360
They may take our lives, but
they will never take our

1145
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,720
freedom.
Is a great line.

1146
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,840
Reading the speech as a whole,
not persuasive.

1147
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,760
I'm not, you know, like if you
break it down on a literary

1148
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,600
level, I think Bill Pullman wins
the day.

1149
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,680
And that's why Aragorn gets my
nod, because he does a great job

1150
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,480
with his speech.
And also we get to watch, you

1151
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,800
know, horrific looking creatures
fall at the hands of man.

1152
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,800
And I'm, I'm cool with it, dude.
So Return to the King is my

1153
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,120
pick.
Anytime you have to start a

1154
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:53,080
sentence with, it's obvious,
because it clearly isn't

1155
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,280
obvious.
Yes, it's obvious to everyone

1156
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,840
but you, Brad I.
Perhaps.

1157
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,440
Oh man, Bob, I I'm ready to give
this movie a final score.

1158
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,600
I don't know if you're going to
be happy with this.

1159
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:11,560
I liked this movie, but I very
much so did not love this movie.

1160
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,560
I came to like a 6 1/2 out of 10
here.

1161
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,960
I think that's kind of like,
objectively how good this movie

1162
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,760
is.
I am both operating from a place

1163
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,000
of.
I saw this as an American child

1164
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,440
in the 90s.
Yeah.

1165
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,240
You did.
And also like, I kind of want to

1166
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,560
give it A7.
I'm not going to give it a 7.5

1167
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,920
to fudge the numbers here, but I
I will give it a 7.

1168
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,800
Because last week we both gave
Goldeneye A7.

1169
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:42,800
And like Goldeneye may or may
not have more filmmaking merits

1170
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,920
than this movie, but I think,
like, the action sequences are

1171
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:47,320
incredibly well done in this
film.

1172
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,840
And I'm just being frank, I had
a way better time watching this

1173
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,320
movie than I had watching
Goldeneye.

1174
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,360
Like Goldeneye really had some
serious whiplash tonally

1175
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,160
throughout the Yeah, but.
Did this movie have a tank?

1176
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,040
I don't.
I don't think this movie had a

1177
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,760
tank, Bob.
That's true.

1178
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,040
They are at least each other's
equivalent.

1179
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,720
So I'm going to give this A7.
You gave it a 6 1/2.

1180
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:14,800
That takes us to a 6.75 on what
is known around the world as the

1181
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,640
greatest film ever made.
So it's it's pretty pretty hot

1182
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,800
take from us today.
Yeah, it's the the BFI top film

1183
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,840
sight and sounds it's it was at
the number one of the is it the

1184
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,720
AFI?
Yeah, yeah.

1185
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,960
Yeah, #1 dethroned.
Citizen Kane.

1186
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,480
Yeah, it sure did.
All right.

1187
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,560
We want to know what you think
of Independence Day.

1188
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,600
Have you watched it as an adult?
Have you watched it recently?

1189
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:43,840
Have you been able to take off
your childhood child of the 90s

1190
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,760
glasses to watch this movie?
You can find us on all of our

1191
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:51,280
social media accounts, Facebook,
Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,

1192
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,200
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Or you can jump onto the

1193
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,320
Discord.
We are on there every single day

1194
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,920
talking to you guys, fans of the
Film and Whiskey Podcast.

1195
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,560
If you'd like to join the
conversation, there is a link to

1196
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,240
our discord at the end of every
single one of our show notes.

1197
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,480
Next week Brad, we are staying
in the Will Smith camp to watch

1198
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,640
a movie that has really grown in
people's estimations over recent

1199
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:18,680
years and crucially, a film that
is like 98 minutes long and that

1200
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:25,440
is 1997's Men in Black. 98 falls
within the 90 minute film,

1201
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:26,320
right?
I think so.

1202
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,120
It's a rounding error.
Let's go.

1203
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,000
Right.
Join us for Men in Black next

1204
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,800
week.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1205
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,800
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.