How the Grinch Stole Christmas (2000) / Calumet Farms Citation 16-year Bourbon

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In the Millennium year of 2000,
director Ron Howard and star Jim

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Carrey gave the world a
satirical look at modern

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Christmas through the lens of an
old classic.

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In 2024, we try a bourbon that
Brad, Are you ready for this?

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Oh, I'm ready.
Is a real work horse.

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The film is How The Grinch Stole
Christmas.

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The whiskey is Calumet Farms
citation.

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And we'll review them both this
is.

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The Film and Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G and today I am
setting the over under on Bob's

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score for this movie at 4.5.
I guess it'd be 4.75 since we're

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allowed to go in half
increments.

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Hey you can go whatever you want
when you set the over under.

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That's that that that is true.
I'm going to set it at 4.75

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folks.
So if you want to take betting,

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each episode.

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Actually, you can just Venmo us
your bet.

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Yes, there you go.
We directly said odds.

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Of course, of course.
So Brad, at the beginning of

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every episode, I say the phrase
we review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
Has that word been doing more

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heavy lifting that it is today?
Because we are looking at not

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the actually classic 1960s short
The Grinch.

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We're looking at Ron Howard's.
I I mean, like, I don't know

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what the word is.
I don't want to call it

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abominable, but I want to call
it like sensory overwhelming

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experience.
The the year 2000s, the Grinch.

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Did you need to go see your
therapist after you saw this

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movie, Bob?
Man, I'll tell you what dude,

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Let's just let's set the stage
here a little bit.

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I have been dreading this for
weeks, Brad, because I remember

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this movie being like a little
too much, even when I was a kid.

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But because you're a kid and and
I grew up on in an era of

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Nickelodeon where everybody was
slimming each other and

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everything else.
I just see little little 10 year

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old Bob sitting with his arms
crossed like his leg crossed

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over the other tapping.
Yes, yes, like it was a little

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much.
I mean, I can't say you're

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wrong.
I would like to say that you're

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wrong, but.
Your little sisters are over

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there.
Like, wow, Grinch, what a great

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movie.
And you're just like ruining

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everybody's Christmas.
Let let me let me get to my

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point more quickly than I
intended to.

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I know I can be long winded,
Brad.

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I think this is actually a
really important historical

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document because I don't know
that that future generations

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will be aware of like what it
was like to consume media as

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children of the 90s.
Like what were we being fed our

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media diet and Nickelodeon
stuff?

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It was just there was so much
overwhelming sensory experience.

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Everything was tangible.
Everything was about getting

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slimed and the like, garish,
really bright visual colors.

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And you know, I think this is
like, this is born out of 1990s

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overbearing entertainment like
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This is just as related to
Nickelodeon as it is to like

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that crappy Godzilla remake that
we've been referencing from the

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late 90s.
It is the culmination of 1/2

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decade of visual and auditory
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And I think that it's kind of
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museum, you know what I mean?
Yeah, no, I was going to say if

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you want a shorter version than
having to watch this movie, go

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on YouTube and just look up the
old Sonic the Hedgehog ads for

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Sega and like, to me those are
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Like I like, I, I, I look back
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I'm like, what?
What did they think that they

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were doing?
Like, why?

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Like, how did that attract
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But I I mean it did.
I guess we spent money on these

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things.
We obviously spent money on How

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the Grinch Stole Christmas Bob,
because this was the was it the

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highest grossing movie of 2000?
Yeah, so we've been going on

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domestic gross for every movie
we've reviewed this season.

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Oh, and by the way, if this is
your first episode, welcome into

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film and whiskey.
We usually talk about Better

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Movies TM.
That's our that's our slogan.

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You you do know that if there's
somebody new to this episode,

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it's probably because they like.
Love this movie and I am so, so

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sorry for what's about to
happen.

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Your first words to them are, we
usually do better films than

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this one, The one that got your
favorite movie?

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Yeah.
So this season we are looking at

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high grossing films.
So usually it's the highest

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grossing film from each year
from 1988 to 2019.

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We have landed in the year 2000
where we are actually doing the

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highest grossing domestic film.
I think it was only like sixth

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highest grossing worldwide.
But people in America ate this

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up.
And Brad, you're you're

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absolutely right, man.
I think that if there's if this

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is really a spiritual cousin to
any form of media, it's not even

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just like the TV and movies of
the late 90s.

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It's the commercials.
Yes.

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Yeah.
And.

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And I think that like one of the
most generous things I can say

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about this movie is that
everything's intentional.

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Like I don't think they decided,
like, I think it would look cool

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if we did this and then they
just made a movie where every

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single shot is a Dutch angle.
Like it's doing this on purpose.

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And if I'm putting on my
thinking cap, I think it's

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because Ron Howard, a very good
director, was trying on purpose

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to mimic the advertisements and
commercials of the late 90s to

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help under score the point of
his movie, which is anti

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commercialism.
Like it, It makes sense why he

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chose to do it.
He definitely made choices.

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The question is were those
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and did they work?
And Brad, I am very excited to

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hear your thoughts on that
today.

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But before we get into that,
it's time for our first segment

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of the day, which we call Brad
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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we
call.

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the movie that he

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has just seen often for the
first time.

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The $1,000,000 question Right
now, Brad, Is this your first

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time with Ron Howard's Grinch?
It is not.

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No.
I I did not see it as a child,

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as you would have imagined.
I in fact, I never even watched

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Nickelodeon.
I don't know if I've ever seen

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an actual episode of of Slime
Time.

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What?
What was that show?

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Called Slime Time Live.
Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, never once saw a single
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I did, however, watch this,
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Oh, what am?
I out of man.

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I I just want to spend the whole
episode hearing about that,

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'cause that seems like if
there's any age to get

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introduced to this movie, that's
like the worst possible age,

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'cause you're not like, you're
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kids yet, but you weren't.
You have no nostalgia for it,

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you know what I mean?
Like I'm.

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Fascinated.
I think it.

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I think it actually hit well in
the college years because we're

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all kind of idiots when we're in
college and we think that stupid

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stuff is funny.
And so I remember walking away

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from it thinking like, Oh yeah,
like that was pretty funny.

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I think that was my take away,
like B minus maybe AC plus that

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was kind of funny.
Jim Carrey is a is a unique

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talent that that probably would
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About four or five years later,
I had a friend who it's like one

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of his favorite movies of all
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And so I watched it with him and
enjoyed how much he enjoyed the

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film.
And then I watched it for this

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viewing, Bob.
You're such a good friend.

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I dude, I love my friends.
I am very kind to them.

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Especially you, Bob.
I was going to say in terms of

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Jim Carrey movies that Brad
things are not that great.

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It does blow my mind that you
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out of 10 and are primed to give
this movie a much higher score.

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Oh.
My gosh dude.

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Easily higher than the eternal
sunshine.

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I need new friends.
All right, Brad, So this was not

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your first time seeing the
movie, folks.

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It's the Grinch.
I don't really know what there

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is to spoil here, but spoiler
alert, Brad's going to break

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down the plot of the movie.
You have one minute on the

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clock, Brad, and go.
All right, so imagine the 1950s

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Grinch.
But instead, the Grinch wants to

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bone one of the main Who's in
Whoville?

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And like, that's all you really
need to know, folks.

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That's the kind of movie we're
watching.

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The end.
Is that a good?

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Yeah, absolutely.
This is just like a deeply mean,

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ugly, horny movie.
And when I say ugly, like, it is

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visually very ugly movie, but
it's also just like it truly

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does embody like the late 90s
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what we put on screen.
Like the values that we A

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pretended to have but B actually
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women, the like, the weird,
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Like, it's just a really great
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But post late 90s I don't.
I'd like this.

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This might be the most important
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We've talked about Brad.
Baba, I feel like you're just

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going to continue to compliment
how, like unique to its era this

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film is to like cushion the 2.5
you're going to give it at the

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end.
Of the what if I end up talking

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myself into like this Is an
absurdist masterpiece 8.5 out of

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10.
Bob, let's be really honest.

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This is an absurd absurdist
masterpiece.

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I mean, it's absurd.
I don't.

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I don't.
Know if it makes it a good

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movie.
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It like it's a masterpiece of
what Ron Howard is setting out

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to do.
Yeah, OK, let's, let's talk a

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little bit about Ron Howard as a
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I have gone on my soapbox many
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think that like Clint Eastwood
and like Steven Spielberg, he he

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often champions the everyman,
but his direction is the most

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kind of muted of the three of
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Like, you can't really.
There's not as much of A

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directorial signature as, you
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You can always tell when you're
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Every once in a while, Ron
Howard will do something that is

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just way outside of his
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Like, this is the guy that made
multiple Da Vinci Code movies.

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And you forget like, oh, he made
those Da Vinci Code movies.

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That doesn't seem like a Ron
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And then you remember, Oh yeah,
he made like one of the worst

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Star Wars movies ever.
That was also Ron Howard.

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So he just, every now and then
he's like, I'm gonna test the

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waters elsewhere and it almost
never works out for my guy.

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Which?
Which Star Wars movie did he

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make?
He did solo.

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Oh, that.
That was Ron Howard.

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Well, that, I mean that's he
only gets half credit for that

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'cause it was like almost made
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directors off of it and Ron
Howard was brought in to like

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try to salvage it.
So you know, like, I don't blame

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him for that one.
He did not unsalvageable.

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I as a Star Wars fan, I will
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It's just, it's not even, like,
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It's just like the most boring
and forgettable move As you're

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watching it, you're like, Oh
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Han Solo, right?
Like, like, every, every scene.

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Anyway, all that to say, Brad, I
like one of my boldest claims

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today is going to be, I think
this is like the most directing

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Ron Howard has ever done in a
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Like, he's really trying for an
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I don't know what you would even
call what he's trying to go for

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here, but it's very obvious that
he is making big choices.

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I I think that what he's going
for is trying to turn a

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children's like animated cartoon
book into a message of morality

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that wasn't in the original book
and it and it becomes something

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vastly different.
Now here's the thing, Bob.

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Do you feel like the
consumeristic urge that has

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dominated Christmas is good?
I I I do not.

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I will go on record and say no.
So what's your problem with this

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movie then, man, he's he's just,
he's on your side.

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He's on your team, Bob.
That's it, man.

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That's that's how movies work,
right?

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Like, that's it.
If we agree with the central

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message of the movie, then the
movie must be good.

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Yeah, that we just did an
episode, Brad, about the

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Christian movie industrial
complex.

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And every single Christian movie
is.

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Is good based on our criteria
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So I I think I wanted to point
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agree with the underlying
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Like like we're not going to sit
here and lambast him for trying

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to make a movie about, hey, like
the spirit of Christmas is

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probably something other than
buying a million gifts.

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Like what?
Like one of my favorite scenes

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of the film is when Cindy Lou
who has the giant thing of

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Christmas presents near the
start of the film and and he

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pulls out the one from the
middle to see her face which is

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a great little like frame within
A-frame.

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And and she just really quietly
goes, I don't know if this is

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what Christmas is all about,
Daddy.

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And it's the most sweet,
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film.
And it might be one of the only

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quiet moments of the film.
And I loved it.

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Yeah.
And so, man, I think, Brad, how

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I'd like the first half of this
episode to go is because we're

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already diving into kind of the
analysis part of it.

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My two big problems with this
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The first one is the
difficulties of adapting a story

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that is meant to be short into
an almost two hour movie and and

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the, you know, the additions
that they have to make to fill

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out the runtime and whether
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And then B, as a result of that,
I feel like the, the underlying

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message of the movie is kind of
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characterization is completely
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Like the who's in the short film
are completely different than

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the who's in this movie.
And I think they're trying to

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kind of update it for, you know,
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But I I do feel like it kind of
undermines the point of the

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movie, the way that they portray
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So I don't know if you're OK
with it.

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Let's kind of just go through
both of those points.

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And I want to start with an
episode we released multiple

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Christmases ago where we had a
debate about which short

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animated film was better for
Christmas time, Charlie Brown,

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Christmas or The Grinch.
What an episode.

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Now you have very famously said,
A, that you love Charlie Brown

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Christmas, and B, the Grinch has
never really worked for you, the

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original Grinch cartoon and and
part of your reasoning, as I

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recall, was that you just don't
really like the the animation

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style of Doctor Seuss.
Which is not.

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Totally.
Just don't.

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Just don't.
Like is a very very light

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encapsulation of the hatred.
Really.

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It's that bad.
Oh, I I think it is one of the

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most hideous animation styles
I've ever seen in my life.

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Interesting.
OK.

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I didn't realize it was that.
I thought it was more just like,

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yeah, I don't care for it, you
know?

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Oh no, I like and and I'm not
the animators for the Christmas

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special.
I I'm not blaming them.

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I hate Doctor Seuss's art style.
Got it.

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Period.
I think it's horrendous.

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The animators did a great job of
of mimicking it and putting it

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to screen.
I think it's terrible.

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OK.
All right.

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We got that out off your chest.
We're good.

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We could move past that.
I I do want to ask, though.

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So you don't really care for
that special, but like, I mean

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you have a good grasp on the way
that it's told and the

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underlying message of it.
Yeah.

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What do you think about the way
that they quote UN quote fleshed

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out the story for the two hour
version like because to me,

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Brad, when I think about this
story like it is, it is a

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parable.
That almost the same way that

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Charlie Brown Christmas is like
a parable.

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It's just a very short.
It's not supposed to have a lot

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of context.
You're not supposed to know why

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the Grinch hates the who's.
He just does.

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He's a guy who hates the who's
and the who's love Christmas and

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to give him the back story that
they give him in this movie and

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and all the things they flesh
out, it's like you tried to make

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the impact of the parable better
by giving it more context, but

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in doing so you actually rob it
of all of its power.

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Jesus's parables in the New
Testament, you know, my guy knew

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what he was doing.
If those, if those parables

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were, you know, multiple
chapters long, they would lack

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the rhetorical power.
So like, I guess just just on

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like a rhetoric level, Brad,
like did they ruin it here?

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Honestly, Bob, my curiosity is
so obviously your opinion is

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that yes, they did ruin it.
I guess I'll speak to that

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point.
I don't think that they ruin

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necessarily the moral of the
story with most of the

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characterization.
Like I, I I honestly kind of

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like the idea of the Grinch
being a part of the society and

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then being rejected because of
his skin color and his just

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robust facial hair.
If, if we can put it that way,

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like none of that bothers me.
I think that the only

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characterization that just feels
so far out of left field is how

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deeply what What's her name?
Martha May something.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.
Christine Baranski.

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Wants to have sex with the grin.
I mean, like, bad dude like.

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So bad.
It's so weird.

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And like if they literally just
fully cut that piece out of the

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story, or like not even cut it
out of the story.

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It's just poorly directed.
Like, I I like that he thought

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that this girl was cute.
Like that is so relatable to be

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somewhat of a loser in your
class, at least self perceived

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that way and think that the cute
girl in the class might ever

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like you like that.
Like that's a classic storyline

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that we can all relate to.
It gets weird when they become

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adults and I and I think that a
different director might have

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done a better job with it, but
it it's that's the primary point

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for me that kind of muddles the
entire message of the original

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Grinch.
Yeah, the way I see it, they add

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2 crucial things to fill out the
runtime, #1 is they they try to

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answer the question of like why
does the Grinch hate Christmas

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slash the who's and the 2nd is
like they try to they try to add

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context to the who's themselves.
So like instead of in the

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original version.
Like, they are not really caught

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up in consumerism in this
version.

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They have to overcome their own
consumerism.

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Like that's their obstacle to
overcome.

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And it's I I think they both
have their own flaws.

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But the biggest flaw of the
movie for me is like those two

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stories are kind of happening
separate from each other.

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So like the Grinch hates
Christmas, but only as an

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extension of the who's loving
it.

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Like, he doesn't really hate
Christmas so much as he hates

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the who's.
And he had a really traumatic

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experience happen to him around
Christmas.

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But when they have this
flashback and they show that the

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Grinch was, like, absolutely
bullied and humiliated by grown

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women and children and then
forced into exile as a small

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child, Like, what is actually
happening there has nothing to

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do with the consumeristic
attitude of the who's.

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It's like the Who's are awful,
awful people, and their

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consumerism is only one facet of
how they're awful.

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And so the end of the movie
attempts to fix this by them

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overcoming their consumeristic
impulses.

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But like, they don't fix
anything else.

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Like, they're still racist.
They're still like, they're just

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horrible, horrible people.
And I think that's like, that's

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the thing that pisses me off, is
like, it tries to manipulate you

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into thinking like, oh, they've
overcome this one thing.

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So now we can, like, cheer for
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Absolutely not.
Like I want.

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I want the Grinch to go Django
Unchained on this entire

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village.
I would like to see an absolute

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bloodbath at the end of this
movie, because those people

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deserve it more than anyone
else.

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How the Grinch stole Christmas
Django Edition I.

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Don't know man, am I like am I
far off in my assessment here?

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I feel like they they tried to
patch up a whole host of awful

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sinful things these people do by
like having them fix one sinful

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thing they do.
Sure, I I think that the the

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problem here is that Ron took
things.

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He allowed it to go too far.
It is Ron's fault.

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It's all Ron's fault.
It is Ron's fault.

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Like he and I say that because
he is the one who chose the the

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general timbre of the film.
Like like the the sound and the

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the garishness that we talked
about earlier.

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Everything is so over the top in
order to portray Americans

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ridiculous consumption habits.
But he never pulls the reins in

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on any other elements of it.
And so I think that you end up

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with the Grinch being the most
over the top Grinch you will

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ever see in your life, and the
who's being the most over the

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top who's and the storyline
being the most over the top

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storyline.
Yeah.

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And it undermines exactly what
they're trying to say, 'cause

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like, you know, even if we, if
we grant him that, like, the way

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he's shooting this movie is
supposed to be a reflection of

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the commercialism of the 90s or
whatever.

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It's not like they stopped doing
it at any point in the movie.

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Like the movie is a giant
commercial based on the way they

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shot it.
So I'm with you, man.

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Like it.
It does like it.

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It seems like it's trying to
make points, but then it's

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undermining its own points.
Also it it undermines it in a

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very simple way, like that isn't
even done over the top.

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Like at this point the movie's
calmed down some.

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But like the whole point of the
movie is like we don't need

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presence, we just need each
other, right?

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Kindness, human human goodness
and and decency.

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But but they still get the
presence at the end of the

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movie.
So this brings me like the the.

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Go ahead, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say like

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they still end up with the thing
that they.

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Should not they fix nothing
about themselves?

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These people suck.
Here's the curiosity for me.

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This is this is more general
Bob.

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A few, not even a few weeks ago.
Last week we watched The Phantom

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Menace and I I specifically
remember you saying, man, why

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didn't they just give us a a 10
minute background on Qui Gon

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Jinn or Obi Wan or Darth Maul.
And here we have one of your

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favorite movies, the The Grinch
getting a little bit of

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background and and it is not
your cup of tea.

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It is not So what's so?
So what gives?

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How?
How do we reconcile these two

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two things, Bob?
It's a good question, Brad, and

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I think the real answer is that
I am just not a consistent

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person.
But my my actual answer is going

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to be like I really do just
think this story is a 30 minute

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story.
Like if you read the book to

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your child, it will take you
about 30 minutes.

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If you watch the 30 minute
version, it takes you guess how

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long 30 minutes to get through
it.

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It's a perfectly told story in
30 minutes and trying to stretch

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it out to two hours is just a
it's a bad idea.

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Like they they made another
Grinch movie and I think 2018,

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an animated one with Benedict
Cumberbatch voicing the Grinch.

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And it's also not good because
like guess what, you are just

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padding the runtime when even if
it's an hour and a half long,

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you're putting an hour of filler
into this story.

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So like I wanted more Qui Gon
because I feel like The Phantom

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Menace is a 2 hour story, you
know, actually 2 hour plus,

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right?
But like, it needs to be filled

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00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,960
out even more because it's being
told on this big canvas, whereas

449
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,640
the Grinch is like it is
intended to be a very simple

450
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,640
story and it doesn't need the
context that they're trying to,

451
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,280
like, force on to it.
Now I I will say Bob in in

452
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:18,960
defense of my boy Ronnie.
This is an hour and 4040 hour

453
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,480
and 44 minute movie.
And I I looked when the credits

454
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,880
came up and it was at an hour
and 38 minutes, sure.

455
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,680
So this is very nearly a 90
minute film, yeah.

456
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,960
And and I will still say 60
minutes.

457
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,840
Too long, Brad.
You you were you would prefer

458
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,360
the 38 minutes I.
Sure would.

459
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,280
Where no one's horny like, very,
very importantly, the.

460
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,640
Joke's on you.
That's the 38 minutes, the R

461
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,600
rated version, just the horny
parts.

462
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,400
OK.
So I want to talk a little bit

463
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,160
about the, the second part of
what I was saying, which is like

464
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,720
the the characterizations
changing.

465
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,680
And Brad, you know, I do think
that at the end of the day, the

466
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,120
message is Christmas isn't about
consumerism.

467
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,200
Like we we reached that
conclusion when we were talking

468
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,240
about Charlie Brown.
Like they both kind of say the

469
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,920
same thing.
But what I really love about the

470
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:18,680
original Grinch is that the way
they get to that point is that

471
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,800
if you really think about the
Grinch, it's that he's been

472
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,880
misunderstanding them the whole
time.

473
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,360
Like, he thinks like he he, you
know, he's looking down at

474
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,200
Whoville and he's like, I can't
stand all the noise from their

475
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,480
toys.
And I I just hate that they're

476
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,160
making all this cacophony.
So what am I going to do?

477
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,840
I'm going to go steal it all
from them because in his mind,

478
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,520
he's thinking they make lots of
noise with this.

479
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,920
So they must love these things.
And I hate when they gather

480
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,360
around and sing.
I just hate it.

481
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,200
I'm going to take it all away
from them and then they'll be

482
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,680
sad.
And the big reveal is like

483
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,760
presents are fine, but they
never cared about the presents

484
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,920
to begin with.
And it's when he hears them

485
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,160
singing in the absence of their
stuff that he has a change of

486
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,760
heart.
It's a really beautiful story.

487
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760
And so, like it's anti
consumerist, but it's anti

488
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,120
consumerist because the Grinch
misunderstood them.

489
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Whereas in this movie they
freaking suck.

490
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,320
And he's right about them the
whole time.

491
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,160
And so his his plan to to get
back at them is to steal all

492
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,120
their stuff.
But it's more of a revenge story

493
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,600
than anything.
And so at the end of the movie,

494
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,160
like they, I guess they have a
change of heart, but they decide

495
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,840
like, we don't want to be sucky
anymore, so let's embrace the

496
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,480
spirit of being together.
But it completely changes the

497
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,200
calculus of the Grinch needing
to have a change of heart.

498
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,160
Like he had a change of heart in
the first one because he had

499
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,480
fundamentally misunderstood them
to begin with.

500
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,760
And in this movie, they're the
ones misunderstanding the

501
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,560
Grinch.
And I just don't feel like it

502
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,200
sticks that landing.
Like it tries to arrive at the

503
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,440
same place, but it completely
flips the characterization of

504
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,400
the who's and the Grinch to try
to do it.

505
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,000
And I just don't feel like it
works as well.

506
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,720
And I I'd like to hear your
thoughts because you're a guy

507
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,520
that doesn't like the Grinch
anyway, so it probably doesn't

508
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,280
matter to you.
But like, I mean, do you do you

509
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,440
know what I'm getting at here?
Oh 100% can can I get Biblical

510
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:19,200
here for a second Bob?
Like the the essence of being a

511
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Christian in a lot of ways is
summed up by Jesus when he talks

512
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,400
about like the world will know
you Christians by the love that

513
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,320
you have for one another And and
this is in the middle of a

514
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,000
passage where he's talking about
like leaving them and and

515
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,040
darkness and suffering.
And the implication is when

516
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,680
things are really terrible and
life is insanely difficult,

517
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,400
which as we all know, happens a
lot, you will be known by the

518
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,560
love that you have for one
another.

519
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,320
And I think that's kind of what
the original Grinch is getting

520
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,920
at, right?
Like when things are really bad,

521
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,960
when you're suffering, quote UN
quote, and it's a children's

522
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,920
story, so suffering equals
losing your toys.

523
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,360
What do we, what do we
recognize?

524
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,880
Oh wow, they actually love each
other.

525
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,480
And it's the recognizing of that
that converts the Grinch, if

526
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,960
you, if you'll allow the
metaphor to continue in this

527
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,640
one, Ron recognizes like one or
two elements of that and is

528
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,280
like, but also I hate
commercialism and we're just

529
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,000
going to focus on that like
we're just going to focus on the

530
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,840
consumerism and and how much I
hate that.

531
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,400
And it's been so in his face for
about 20 years now.

532
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Like 80s and 90s are not known
for their subdued nature.

533
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,680
And so it would make sense that
he would want to mock the last

534
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,080
20 years by making the most
ridiculous version of it

535
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,880
possible.
And so I I I think that's why to

536
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,640
me, Bob, I almost just consider
them completely separate films.

537
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,440
And well, and I, you know, I'm,
I'm glad you said that, 'cause

538
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,520
you kind of have to.
Like you can't, you can't think

539
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,640
of them the same because they
are two completely different

540
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,120
movies that are trying to make.
Like I said, they're trying to

541
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,440
make the same point, but they're
really not.

542
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,560
They're making two completely
separate points from each other

543
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,760
as well.
Brad, I know Before we go any

544
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,480
further, I don't, I won't talk
about the old Grinch anymore

545
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,120
because you've provided a good
segue out of it.

546
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,320
But I have to say, what I love
about the old Grinch is that we

547
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,880
don't even know what the
Grinch's relationship is with

548
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Whoville.
Like, we don't know if they've

549
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,120
ever seen him before.
He just hates them.

550
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,960
He just lives on a mountain and
hates these people and their

551
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,120
first exposure to him may be him
stealing their stuff.

552
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,920
It would explain why Cindy Lou,
who doesn't recognize him and

553
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,320
thinks that he's Santa Claus and
buys all buys into all his lies.

554
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,480
Because they are such a naive
and welcoming people.

555
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,240
And when this dude has his
change of heart after seeing

556
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,840
them singing around their tree
and he speeds down the mountain,

557
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480
it's so crudely animated, 'cause
they're like standing in a

558
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,720
circle and they they open the
circle up for the Grinch to come

559
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,720
in, but they animate it like the
people are like a hinge door and

560
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,760
they just like swing open and
let him in.

561
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,000
It's such a great picture of
like who these people are.

562
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:26,200
They they never cared about the
toys, they never cared about the

563
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,000
stuff.
The at their core they're like a

564
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,120
beautiful, welcoming people.
And the moment that he turns and

565
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,560
comes to them, they welcome him
with open arms, and they let him

566
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,480
carve the freaking roast beast.
And in this movie, like, the

567
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Grinch comes riding into town.
And the only reason that they

568
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,680
welcome him is because they're
like, he's doing to us what

569
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,320
we've been doing to him for 50
years.

570
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Like, look what we have wrought.
And then they're like, maybe we

571
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,120
shouldn't suck so much.
And again, like, that's an

572
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,320
effective way to tell a story.
It is not the Grinch.

573
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,760
This thing is an abomination to
grinches everywhere.

574
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,440
Burn.
Bob, I am gonna take the How the

575
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Grinch Stole Christmas to the
finals of our bracket at the end

576
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,240
of the.
Year just so I can burn it.

577
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,200
No, just so that it lives on
forever and is never burnt.

578
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,840
All right, Brad, we, we have
done all the analysis on this

579
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,400
movie and we haven't talked
about performances at all, but I

580
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,920
think this is a good place for
us to stop.

581
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Let's drink some whiskey.
We'll come back and we'll talk

582
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,800
about Ronnie and Jimmy and all
the people involved in this

583
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,760
movie.
What do you say?

584
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,880
Let's get to it, man.
Although I'm not sure if there's

585
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,720
anybody else involved that Jim
Carrey.

586
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,560
All right, everybody, today we
are drinking Calumet 16 year

587
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Citation.
Now, Bob, I I don't know a ton

588
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,440
about Calumet Farms, but I do
know that they have a special

589
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,480
limited release series that that
honestly comes out pretty

590
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,560
sporadically and they they're
naming them these special

591
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,800
releases after the the different
Triple Crown winners.

592
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,080
Is that correct?
Yeah, I don't.

593
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,199
I I don't remember if it's
actually just Triple Crown

594
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,320
winners or if it's just like
famous race horses.

595
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,679
But you know, Citation is one of
the most legendary horses to

596
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,719
ever win the Triple Crown.
If you drive through Lexington,

597
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,400
like there is a Citation Road or
Citation Blvd.

598
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,920
I'm getting nerdy now Brad.
But anyway, Calumet Farms, Brad,

599
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,800
we had a listener right into us
and in fact it was our friend

600
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:42,040
Wes who provided these Calumet
samples to us to correct us on

601
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,000
what we know or don't know about
Calumet.

602
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,199
So last week I called Calumet
Farms a non distilling producer,

603
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,600
which is true.
I said that they were sourcing

604
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,920
their whiskey from Western
Spirits which I don't know very

605
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,040
much about and Wes corrected me
to say that Western Spirits is

606
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,760
also a non distilling producer.
So this is actually Barton

607
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Whiskey that is being aged at a
warehouse owned by Western

608
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,120
Spirits and Calumet is just a
brand that Western Spirits puts

609
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,160
out.
So sure fine this is still a non

610
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,160
distilling producer that is
giving us what we now know to be

611
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,920
Barton Juice.
So Brad, this particular whiskey

612
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,760
is a 16 year old from their
single rack, Black Label.

613
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,840
We talked about this a little
bit last week.

614
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,160
They pull all these whiskeys
from one rack in the Rick house.

615
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,680
They say that it is the optimal
conditions.

616
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,600
I think they're they're never
more than like 19 barrels in a

617
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,840
blend and this is the oldest one
we've had by a lot.

618
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,600
Brad, this is 16 years old.
I'm a little worried, 'cause

619
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,600
even last week at 14 years old,
I think that thing was

620
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:56,400
approaching being over oaked.
Yeah, that I've not found many

621
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,280
12 plus bourbons that survive.
The oaking.

622
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,240
The oaking.
That sounds like a horror movie.

623
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,960
The the opening.
All right, we are We're sitting

624
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:16,040
at 106 proof.
Today we are at 74% corn, 18%

625
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,080
rye, 8% malted barley.
Brad, let's freaking drink this

626
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,240
thing.
What are you picking up on the

627
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,880
nose?
This is a really pleasant nose.

628
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,280
It it doesn't stand out in any
powerful ways, but it gives me

629
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,040
some really nice vanilla.
There's caramel it, it's very

630
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,200
like a like a rich cream cheese
and there's a little bit of like

631
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,680
a sweet mint going on that I
that I I really like.

632
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,600
It's very pleasant.
I give it an 8 out of 10 here on

633
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,080
the nose.
I'm really close to you because

634
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,760
I actually think your notes are
right on.

635
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:53,200
But that minty note, I think
sometimes tips into smelling

636
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,480
like straight ethanol, almost
like rubbing alcohol.

637
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,960
And so I can't tell from moment
to moment.

638
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,560
Like, is this just really
herbaceous or is it, like,

639
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,800
chemically almost?
And so that's the only thing is,

640
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,000
I'm, I'm a little wary of this
alcohol note.

641
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,880
Like, is it going to really kick
me in the mouth when I take a

642
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,800
sip here?
It's pleasant.

643
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,720
I'm going to give it a 7.5 on
the nose.

644
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,240
Yeah, I was.
I don't think it's the Mint note

645
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:19,200
that's giving you that.
I think it's the ethanol.

646
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,400
Yes, thank you.
Just just a little correction on

647
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,360
the pallet here.
The first note that I have is,

648
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:33,320
wow, that's oaky.
Like there is a lot of oak going

649
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,240
on here.
Once you kind of push past that

650
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,720
with the 2nd and 3rd sip,
there's some cocoa powder.

651
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:44,080
The vanilla continues through.
I got like a nice like Raisin

652
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,760
type of vibe.
It's got a little bit of a

653
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,760
coffee, ground coffee smell to
it.

654
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,440
I came down a little bit on the
pallet.

655
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,280
I'll give it a 7 out of 10 here.
It's it's good product.

656
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,120
It should be like 12 or 13
years, not 16.

657
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,520
Brad, I'm in a very interesting
position right now because you

658
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,160
sound like Bob Book right now.
You sound like a guy who, I'm

659
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,840
not saying you're lying about
your position or even couching

660
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,960
it in nice things, but you're
like, you know, if you think

661
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,720
about this and I'm going to be
the Brad G here because you said

662
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,280
the words, hey, once you push
past the first sip and give it a

663
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,120
second and third sip, it gets
better.

664
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,480
Brad G would look me in the eye
and say Bob, you shouldn't have

665
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,040
to give it 3 sips to think that
it's a good whiskey.

666
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Yeah, that's true.
So.

667
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,480
I'm going to be the Brad G here,
so it's too oaky.

668
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,240
It just is.
And that first sip, dude, like,

669
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,560
it was the front of my palate.
And then you said, Oh yeah, it's

670
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,200
on the front of your palate.
And I was like, OK, hopefully I

671
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,680
will push through this all the
way through oak, oak, oak.

672
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,800
And it's like you get just the
faintest glimmer of sweetness.

673
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,120
And then it is swallowed up once
again by just straight, woody

674
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,000
notes.
It's it's certainly something,

675
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,360
man.
I'm sure there are people out

676
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,880
here who love their whiskey to
taste like this.

677
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,920
This is just not, you know, I
like my decadent rich whiskeys.

678
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,360
This is not that, man.
I'm going to give it a 5 1/2 on

679
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,000
the taste.
Wow.

680
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,080
Yeah, I well, I'll, I'll just go
on to the finish.

681
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,760
For the finish, I'm at a 7 1/2 I
I think that the oak continues

682
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,520
through very strong as you said.
I get a little bit of black

683
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,960
pepper, a little bit of leather.
It has some some of those kind

684
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,000
of classic bourbon finishing
notes that you would have from a

685
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:43,440
more heavily oaked W7 and a half
decent finish on a on a decent

686
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,320
whiskey.
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2

687
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,880
too, and I'm going to, you know,
I'm going to pull a Bob book.

688
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,920
Now, when we were at the New
York Whiskey competition, Brad,

689
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,080
we got one sip to judge these
things.

690
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,920
That's it.
I mean, like if you really

691
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,480
wanted to take a second sip, you
would.

692
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,360
But we're drinking like 100
samples a day.

693
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,920
So you're you're pretty much
taking your notes based off of 1

694
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,320
sip.
You are absolutely correct in

695
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,640
that the 2nd and 3rd sip on this
are significantly better, much

696
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,840
more caramel, much more brown
sugar here.

697
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,080
And that's going to bump my
finish score up a little bit.

698
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,440
Because when I think about like
a finish, I'm I'm thinking about

699
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,360
the lasting impact of the
whiskey.

700
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,760
And I include like a second sip
in that I yeah, I'm going to

701
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,200
give it a 7 1/2 here, but my
balance score I can't pin down

702
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,280
dude, because this is like, this
was a wild ride.

703
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:37,440
Yeah, I I I think that it's a
wild ride and not in a great

704
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,120
way.
So I'm going to put my balance

705
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,400
score at a 7 out of 10 there.
There's a little bit of

706
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,440
complexity here, enough for me
to enjoy it.

707
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,760
It's just so heavily oaked that
I I can't go any higher than A7.

708
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,200
Man, I just.
I want to use this in like an

709
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,800
Infinity bottle.
I feel like this could give so

710
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,760
much character to a bigger
bottle of whiskey.

711
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,720
Like you add these two oz and
it's like a cheat code to just

712
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,480
making your stuff more complex.
But it almost reminds me of you

713
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,720
know how they make poor man's
Pappy where you blend Weller

714
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:16,280
Antique and Weller 12 year and
we've always said the antique is

715
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,920
like all the flavor and the 12
year is all the spice and

716
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,080
character.
This is like that.

717
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,680
This is like the Weller 12 of
the Calumet we've had so far,

718
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,920
Brad.
Yeah, I'm going to give it a 6

719
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,440
1/2 on balance and I don't even
know what this costs.

720
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Brad, what do you what's the
value on this?

721
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:43,440
Baba, I'm seeing it for $150.00
online and that's the only one I

722
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,480
can see it's.
At this point it is a very hard

723
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,520
to find bourbon.
Yeah, I'm seeing a review from

724
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,280
back in 2022 when it came out at
138 dollars then.

725
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,440
So it doesn't seem like it's
been marked up that much.

726
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,360
It was just expensive to begin
with.

727
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,080
Yep.
I don't think this is a poorly

728
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,200
made whiskey.
Like, I think this is a really

729
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,080
great example of a 16 year old
bourbon.

730
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:12,160
I just don't like 16 year old
bourbon now like it's sourced.

731
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,920
It's from a premium brand.
Everything's always going to be

732
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,920
expensive.
Like, I I don't know, Brad, that

733
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,840
I think $138 is actually
exorbitant for this.

734
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Do you?
Triple digits is tough.

735
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,480
Man, like, I wouldn't pay for
this, 'cause I don't like it.

736
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,480
But if this is what you're
looking for, I don't think this

737
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,920
is like gouging people.
Like if this was called Weller

738
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,240
16, it would, you know, it'd be
on the secondary market for

739
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,120
$400.00.
You know what I mean?

740
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Yeah.
I think that this is like a 70

741
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,320
to $90.00 whiskey.
I think 110 isn't gouging.

742
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,360
I think anything much above that
is.

743
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,040
All right, so let's say 90 is
where it should be, so that

744
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,080
they're charging like at least
$4050 more than it should be.

745
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,800
I'm still going to give this
like a six out of 10 on value.

746
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,520
I don't like it, but I don't
think.

747
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,320
I think you could do worse.
I think there's much, much

748
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,240
poorer decisions you can make in
terms of value on whiskeys.

749
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,240
Yeah, yes, I would agree with
that.

750
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,280
I'll give it a 3 1/2.
I I just, I don't think this is

751
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,800
a good value at 140 bucks.
Man that's a lot of money.

752
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,400
And you could go buy so many
other whiskeys.

753
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,280
Like so many other whiskeys,
Bob.

754
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:44,280
That is like 7 bottles of Rebel
100 tell me you could get.

755
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,560
So drunk.
All right, man, I am coming out

756
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,600
to a 33 out of 50, which is
higher than I thought.

757
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:54,680
But again, I think this is a
pretty well made whiskey, so I'm

758
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,040
OK with it.
Where are you at?

759
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,640
Would you, would you guess that
we're at the exact same score?

760
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:06,480
I I want that to be exactly how
we shake out on this movie, too,

761
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,960
Brad.
Yes, All right.

762
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,920
Now, would you recommend This is
the question?

763
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,280
If you're not paying for it I
like I would say it is worth a

764
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,960
pour.
Maybe if you could find a pour

765
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,400
for like 1520 bucks and like you
know what you're getting into,

766
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,680
I'd say sure.
Maybe try this, I I would not

767
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,560
recommend a bottle.
What do you think this would go

768
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,480
well with?
Like if we're food pairing?

769
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,240
Because, you know, like
Lagavulin goes really well to

770
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,120
steak because we've been talking
about this because like, the

771
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,680
steak almost takes away the
salinity of the Lagavulin, yes,

772
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,000
but you get the smoke a little
bit too.

773
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,040
So like this, I don't like.
I don't know this would go well

774
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,240
with a steak, but it definitely
like you couldn't drink this

775
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,240
with like fish or chicken.
It's too oaky, like it needs

776
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:57,760
something with a ton of flavour.
I don't think it's a dessert

777
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,040
bourbon.
Like it's got to be beef, right?

778
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,480
No, it's not beef.
This has to go with like an

779
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,920
insanely long smoked pulled
pork.

780
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,040
Like a like a brisket maybe.
I I think that this this has to

781
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,400
go with just the juiciest pulled
pork you've ever had in your

782
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,680
that.
Makes sense because of so

783
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,160
there's so much oak like it have
to be something smoked.

784
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:22,960
Yeah.
All right.

785
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Well, there you go folks.
Get yourself a brisket and a

786
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,240
bottle of Calumet 16.
Brad, let's get back into

787
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,200
talking about the Grinch.
What do you say?

788
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:37,360
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

789
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,640
That was Calumet 16 year
citation of whiskey.

790
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,520
That will just cost you too much
money, Bob.

791
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,000
Yep.
You know it's not going to cost

792
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,120
you any money at all.
What's that, Brad?

793
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:55,680
2 facts and a falsehood, Brad.
Is going to try to stump your

794
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,080
ball. 2 all right And what is
wrong?

795
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,480
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

796
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,600
the podcast where Brad presents
me with three items as fact

797
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,760
about the making of this movie,
one of which he has just

798
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,680
completely made-up and I have to
guess which one that is.

799
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,400
Brad, I am sitting at 9:00 and
4:00 on the season.

800
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:24,120
You're rocking it, man.
Now one of those losses is is

801
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,000
doubled because Noah could tell
or was it Noah?

802
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,400
I think it was Noah.
Somebody steered me wrong, they

803
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,800
done me wrong, and I took on an
extra L So the numbers don't add

804
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,080
up to the number of episodes in
our season, but that's because

805
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,680
we have crazy rules.
What's the?

806
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,840
What's the line in?
Whose Line is It Anyways?

807
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,320
The the games are made-up and
the points don't matter.

808
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,400
Yeah, the points don't matter.
That's that's all 100% what this

809
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,280
is, man.
All right, hit me with the 2

810
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,000
facts and a falsehood, Brad.
Fact #1.

811
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,200
Jim Carrey was suggested for the
title role by Audrey Geisel, the

812
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,480
widow of Doctor Seuss, who
controlled the rights to the

813
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,000
book.
She also suggested Jack

814
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,800
Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman and
Robin Williams.

815
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,320
Fact #2, Jim Carrey would often
smoke in order to cope with the

816
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,520
stress caused by the intense
makeup process.

817
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,720
However, his as his suit was
covered in yak hair, he had to

818
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,320
use a very long cigarette holder
in order to avoid a potential

819
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:24,200
fire hazard.
Fact #3, the role of Max the dog

820
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,320
was auditioned for by 47
different pooches with the

821
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,160
winning the the final winning
dog being Chip, a mixed breed 3

822
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,720
year old puppy.
These are good, man.

823
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:41,240
I actually have no idea.
So fact number one is

824
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,360
interesting because I read
enough about the making of the

825
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,200
movie that I know that when they
first started pitching the

826
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:56,120
rights to the story, Doctor
Seuss's widow stipulated like it

827
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:01,000
has to be somebody on the level
of a Jack Nicholson or a Dustin

828
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,360
Hoffman.
In terms of like, I don't know

829
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,280
what the term is, you know,
popularity, purchasing power.

830
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,680
Right, she she was greedy, is
what you're saying.

831
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,320
No, she just, well, I guess so.
But like, you know, I think this

832
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:18,360
movie is very much like the
weird 2000 commercialized

833
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,400
version of, like, Tim Burton's
Batman.

834
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,480
So it kind of makes sense that,
like, you'd want Jack Nicholson

835
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,560
to be the star, like the way
that he was the Joker.

836
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,720
She wanted somebody to be the
Grinch.

837
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,200
Now, does that mean that she
actually suggested Jack

838
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,440
Nicholson?
I don't know.

839
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,240
Or did the person who wrote that
IMDb thing understand exactly

840
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:37,400
what she was saying?
I don't know.

841
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,320
Fact #2 sounds funny just
because I could like the Grinch

842
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,480
with a long cigarette holder.
Just seems like the that seems

843
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,440
like the perfect thing to put in
the Grinch's hand with those

844
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,040
long fingers and stuff.
Fact #3, I just don't care.

845
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,760
Like I don't care how many
pooches they auditioned, so that

846
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,800
could be made-up.
I truly do not care.

847
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:00,400
Screw the dog, yeah.
Forget that dog.

848
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,120
Forget that dog.
Come on, man.

849
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Max is a very cute dog.
Yep.

850
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,360
Hey, can I tell you something
else?

851
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,600
Yeah, Max is probably dead by
now.

852
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,680
Yeah, he probably.
Is that dog's dead?

853
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:20,080
All right, so fact #1.
That was that man.

854
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:27,440
Chew, I'm gonna say fact number
one is the falsehood just on

855
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,400
that technicality, but I think
I'm wrong.

856
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,360
You are in fact wrong.
Which one was it?

857
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,000
It was #3 was the falsehood.
Yeah, see, here's the thing.

858
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,880
I don't care.
That's that's what I need to do

859
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,920
more often, right?
Falsehoods that you just don't

860
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,560
give a rip about.
Like, I actually, I really like

861
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,760
dogs.
I I just like, you know?

862
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,440
Convince me, Bob.
How it like how am I ever to

863
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,960
care about like the number of
dogs that they what.

864
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,280
So what was false about it?
Did you just make it completely

865
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:05,000
up or?
There was a fact on IMDb about

866
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,120
there being like 3 different
dogs that played Max and I think

867
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,640
that they were mixed breed, but
like that there was nothing

868
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,320
about the name of the dog or how
many different dogs auditioned

869
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,240
or anything like that.
I didn't even think about the

870
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:21,160
possibility that there was more
than one dog.

871
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,080
It's like the Olsen twins on
Full House.

872
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,320
Yeah, I thought about that when
I wrote the fact I was like, I

873
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,560
feel like if I write something
about there being multiple dogs,

874
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,040
you're going to sniff that out
more than if I just say there

875
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,560
was one.
I would sniff it out.

876
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,400
Yeah, See what I did there?
All right, man, you've got me at

877
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,560
9:00 and 5:00 on the season now.
Still got a little bit of

878
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,680
cushion, but things are getting
dicey here.

879
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,800
Brad, let's talk not about the
dog in the movie, but let's talk

880
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,640
about The Grinch himself, Jim
Carrey.

881
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,920
Here's the thing, man.
You could write the article

882
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,720
about this movie that's like,
oh, the Grinch is such a relic

883
00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,640
of its time, like Bob Book said,
and it's because of this crazy,

884
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,920
unhinged performance by Jim
Carrey.

885
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,840
I actually think Jim Carrey's
performance makes so much sense

886
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,840
in the context of this movie and
in fact is less crazy and wild

887
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,200
than the filmmaking going on
around him.

888
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:20,000
Like it seems like a very
grounded performance and he's

889
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,920
under so much make up that you
have to go that big or else it

890
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,040
would seem like a really flat
performance.

891
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,920
The fact that he's able to emote
and move around as much as he

892
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,200
is, it's kind of a minor
miracle.

893
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Like I think it's a really,
really good performance.

894
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,120
Brad.
I'm 100% with you, man.

895
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,000
And.
And can I take a second just to

896
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,000
extol the virtues of practical
effects like this is a hell of a

897
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,560
costume.
Oh my gosh.

898
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:53,000
Very famously drove Jim Carrey
insane.

899
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,520
The costume director who put him
into it every day nearly quit

900
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,520
because Carrie was so difficult
to work with.

901
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,720
Like, like, it's almost
legendary how terrible of a

902
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:04,720
costume it was to get on.
But I'll tell you what, man.

903
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:10,440
I don't know if I've ever seen a
better, just ridiculous costume

904
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:16,000
that looks perfect.
And and The thing is, like the

905
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,960
way they shoot this movie, I
hate, like, I hate

906
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,040
cinematography.
Brad.

907
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,520
Like it's just, it's ugly.
There's like sometimes there's a

908
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,600
weird fog filter on top of
everything.

909
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,200
Everything's at an angle.
The angles themselves, they

910
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,760
reveal too much of the sets a
lot of times.

911
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,120
So it doesn't look like a real
town.

912
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,080
It looks like a set.
And even with all that going on

913
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,200
around him, like I never was
looking at Jim Carrey's costume

914
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,520
going like that's a costume.
Like it is.

915
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,120
It's one of the best costumes
I've ever seen.

916
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,280
It's like, incredible.
And and the performance

917
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,640
underneath it is spectacular.
And it's because Carrie is such

918
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,120
a brilliant comedian and he
knows like, like there are

919
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,080
moments in the asinine
ridiculousness of his

920
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,400
performance.
There's moments where he draws

921
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:10,720
it in and he almost like he
often uses his body in a very

922
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,880
big wide fashion.
When he's engaging with the

923
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,920
who's and he like it's almost
like he's trying to get big for

924
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,440
a bear and like scare them right
and but when he's on his own in

925
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,160
The Cave on the top of the
mountain, like the scene where

926
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,040
he's putting together his
schedule, he's he's drawn in on

927
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,200
himself.
He's inwardly focused and and

928
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:39,040
like Carrie, just has a talent
for this type of comedy that I

929
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,080
don't know if anybody else has.
I will say like that that part

930
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,080
of the movie was the worst part
for me.

931
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:50,040
Like the first half of this
movie, for many reasons, was

932
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,000
like unwatchable.
Like once the actual plot kicks

933
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,680
in and he's like, I'm going to
steal Christmas, the movie gets

934
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,920
a lot better.
But it if there was one scene

935
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,560
that I could do without, it's
that one where he's just in his

936
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:05,960
cave chomping on a glass and
basically doing like his version

937
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,520
of Robin Williams riffing in
Aladdin.

938
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,840
You know, like there's like
multiple points in Aladdin where

939
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,200
it's like, I don't think they
could actually cut around all of

940
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,080
this improv.
So they just kind of left it all

941
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,960
in there and animated it.
That's kind of what this feels

942
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,520
like.
It just goes on for way too

943
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,720
long.
But I like overall, I think this

944
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:29,400
performance is a huge success.
I do want to ask you about his

945
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,760
voice because, you know, very
famously in the original it was

946
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,440
voiced by Boris Karloff, one of
the great voices.

947
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,800
And in this movie, Jim Carrey's
like, you can tell he's kind of

948
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,480
trying to pay homage to that
voice, but he's more doing like

949
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,880
funny Sean Connery.
Like, there's a lot of, there's

950
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,400
a lot of Sean Connery here and
it's it is also a choice.

951
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,880
Yeah, I I think it's fine.
That, like his voice, never

952
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,160
bothered me.
I think it fits with the

953
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,160
character that he's trying to
create.

954
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,280
I think it would have bothered
me in a more or in a less crazy

955
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,480
movie.
Yes.

956
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,280
But like, you got to pick your
battles, honestly.

957
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,880
Yeah, like if it was a very
accurate live action readaption

958
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,120
of the animated film, but it had
that voice.

959
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,600
It yes, it would not fit, it
would be over the top.

960
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,040
But what?
What is over the top anymore,

961
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,640
Bob?
No.

962
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,640
There is there is no top.
If you find it.

963
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,520
Brad, I don't want to spoil.
Actually I do.

964
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,600
I'm going to spoil my let's make
it a double here because I don't

965
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,800
want to wait until we get to
that segment to come back to

966
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:46,920
this.
I I do think that I saw a lot of

967
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,880
Burt Lars, Cowardly Lion in his
performance, like from the

968
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,800
extent of the makeup and the
heaviness of the costume, but

969
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,320
also like just the way he moves
like you.

970
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,520
I really do think Carrie was
probably watching The Wizard of

971
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,880
Oz to try to get some pointers
for how to act underneath all

972
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,040
this makeup.
And you can draw a through line

973
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,200
from the Cowardly Lion to the
Grinch.

974
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,200
There's a lot of voice
similarities, there's a lot of

975
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,400
movement similarities.
I didn't know if that was

976
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,600
something you picked up on.
Like, you and I are very

977
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,240
famously not the world's biggest
Wizard of Oz guys, and we

978
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,840
haven't talked about that movie
since, I don't know, season one

979
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,160
or two.
But I like, I kept thinking,

980
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,280
like, what does this remind me
of?

981
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,480
And it hit me halfway through
the movie like it's the Cowardly

982
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,680
Lion, and then I couldn't get it
out of my head the rest of the

983
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,960
time.
Yeah, that did not enter my

984
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,520
consciousness.
I haven't thought about The

985
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,160
Wizard of Oz probably since we
reviewed it.

986
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,000
But you're.
Yeah, I I think you're 100%

987
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,120
correct.
Like what?

988
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:51,320
Like when I think back on The
Wizard of Oz, there is.

989
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,080
Yeah, yeah.
If he didn't watch it, I would

990
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,600
be surprised.
Boom.

991
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:56,720
I did it.
I nailed it.

992
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,360
You.
You.

993
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,480
Did it, man, you're doing great.
Is there anything else in this

994
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,240
movie worth talking about, Brad?
I think the little girl's great,

995
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,960
Taylor Momsen.
Momsen Yeah.

996
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,400
Yeah, I I think Cindy Lou, who
is really well done.

997
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,400
I think that if the notes for
Christine Baranski were just be

998
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,880
as horny as possible, then she
does a great job.

999
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,400
I don't know if I like the
performance.

1000
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,000
I definitely don't like the
character.

1001
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,040
Yeah, I mean, I don't really
think she's asked to do anything

1002
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,040
except be horny.
So she's she's fine.

1003
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,920
So the the mayor of this
Whoville town is played by

1004
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,320
Jeffrey Tambor, very famous
comedian and I could not

1005
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,200
recognize him under the makeup
and the buck teeth, but he.

1006
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,400
Looks no idea that that was him.
He.

1007
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,040
Looks.
He.

1008
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,120
Looks like somebody else.
And I couldn't place it.

1009
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,720
And I was thinking like, oh,
this guy looks familiar.

1010
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,640
But then I saw Jeffrey Tambor
and I'm like, no, no, that's not

1011
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,800
who I'm thinking of.
Like, even when confronted with

1012
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,480
the reality of who it was, it
like, I guess it it speaks to

1013
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,200
the effectiveness of this makeup
because I thought he was being

1014
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,120
played by somebody else than he
actually was.

1015
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,720
This makeup is weird sometimes,
Brad, because it's really good

1016
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,200
on Jeffrey Tambor.
It's incredible on Jim Carrey.

1017
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,360
And then you've got different
stages of it.

1018
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,640
Like with the little kids, they
don't put as much makeup on

1019
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:18,960
them.
There's like the nose, but

1020
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,240
that's about it.
There's not as much prosthetics.

1021
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,840
Christine Baranski barely has
any.

1022
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,200
But then you've got like, Molly
Shannon playing the mom.

1023
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,120
And every time she tries to
like, say, the letter M, she

1024
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,640
can't close her lips over the
teeth.

1025
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,960
And so, like, there there are
points where the makeup is

1026
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,880
really distracting.
And I kind of wish that they had

1027
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,600
been like, you know what?
We are maximizing everything

1028
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,160
else about this movie.
Like, do we really need to force

1029
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:48,520
this poor woman to try to speak
through these teeth?

1030
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,200
You know what I mean?
This is not my let's make it a

1031
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,680
double.
But as you're saying that all I

1032
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:56,960
could think about was Remy
Malik.

1033
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,360
But keep me in Rhapsody teeth.
Yes, yes.

1034
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,320
They must have been taking notes
for Bohemian Rhapsody from How

1035
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,480
the Grinch Stole Christmas like,
oh, this is exactly what we're

1036
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,200
going for here.
All right, Brad.

1037
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,600
Like I think we've both
established there's not going to

1038
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,560
ask you.
One one question about the

1039
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:23,240
script.
Sure, what I At the end of the

1040
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:28,640
movie, you find out that the
mayor isn't actually married to

1041
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,800
Christine Baranski.
Yeah, I don't really.

1042
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,640
So here's the thing after.
What was up with that?

1043
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,680
After the whole movie, they make
it seem like they're married.

1044
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,600
After the Grinch rides into town
and and the dad, like, stops the

1045
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,320
sleigh, I I'm not going to lie
dude, I just completely zoned

1046
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,640
out.
I don't remember a thing about

1047
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,320
the end of this movie, except
that, like, Anthony Hopkins is

1048
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,560
narrating, right?
Oh.

1049
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,920
Dude.
And even that I'm hot take.

1050
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:01,400
I love Anthony Hopkins.
My guy was mailing it in like he

1051
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,600
he wanted that check and he he
did everything in one take and

1052
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:09,200
it was like OK but not the best.
Yeah, and I mean he he recorded

1053
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,600
his lines in one day.
Oh yeah, so.

1054
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:17,440
So it shows.
Anyway, all that to say, I don't

1055
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,880
even remember this thing about
the mayor that you're referring

1056
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,240
to.
So, like, yeah, that through the

1057
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,040
whole movie, he's clearly got
the hots for her.

1058
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,200
I don't remember thinking they
were married, but then also

1059
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,120
apparently there's a reveal at
the end that they weren't

1060
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:31,920
married.
I don't know.

1061
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,400
Here's the thing, Brad, it's a
it's a 30 minute movie that they

1062
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,040
stretched into an hour and a
half.

1063
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,360
I think we are at a good place,
Brad, to get into our last

1064
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,480
segment of the day, which we
call, let's make it a double.

1065
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,800
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks for listening

1066
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,840
to the film and whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

1067
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,240
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1068
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,840
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1069
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,920
Let's make it a double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1070
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,240
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1071
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,440
feature.
As I said, I'm going to pick The

1072
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,840
Wizard of Oz here because of the
Cowardly Lion similarities, but

1073
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,760
also because, like The Wizard of
Oz is not my favorite movie.

1074
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,240
It is a significantly better
film than this, and it also is a

1075
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:24,280
really good example of how to
film sets that are very fake and

1076
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,320
still make them seem like real
places that our characters are

1077
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,800
in.
Because one of the biggest

1078
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:33,720
downsides of this movie is that
the crazy camera angles just

1079
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,600
completely ruin any chance of
you thinking that these people

1080
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,920
are are anywhere but on a sound
stage.

1081
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,240
So if you would like a better
example, but also maintaining

1082
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,640
absolute wild craziness, I would
say go watch The Wizard of Oz.

1083
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,560
I think I'm going to pick
another movie from the 90s that

1084
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,600
is just a great example of the
wild craziness of the 90s.

1085
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,400
I am going to pair this with the
Arnold Schwarzenegger LED Jingle

1086
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:10,240
all the way.
Dude, as a child of the 90s, I

1087
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,480
love this movie, a film my wife
had never seen until we got

1088
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,440
married.
And when we were decorating for

1089
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,880
Christmas one year, I was like,
well, let's put this on in the

1090
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,280
background.
She was not into this movie,

1091
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,360
dude.
Like, I don't think she hated

1092
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,680
it, but she was just like, you.
You watched this as a kid.

1093
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,440
You liked this as a kid.
What's going on?

1094
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,280
Like, it's just one of those
movies, you know?

1095
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:39,040
5-6 year old Bob had much worse
taste apparently than 10 year

1096
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,040
old How the Grinch Stole
Christmas watching Bob.

1097
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,120
How much better would this movie
have been if Arnold

1098
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,440
Schwarzenegger had been like the
mayor or something, though?

1099
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,240
Oh.
Bro if.

1100
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:55,280
If if the Grinch was played by
Sylvester Stallone and the mare

1101
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:01,680
was played by Schwarzenegger,
yes, I'm 100% in.

1102
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,600
All right, so there you have it.
I said the Wizard of Oz.

1103
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,720
Brad said, Jingle all the way.
Honestly, I think Brad wins this

1104
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,840
round.
That's just such a deeply weird

1105
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,240
movie.
I love it so much.

1106
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,760
Yep, I I thought it was a good
match for this.

1107
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,960
All right, Brad, let's give this
some scores.

1108
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:25,160
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I was fully prepared to come in

1109
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,680
and give this movie a 2.5 out of
10 based on the first half.

1110
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,720
In fact, at the halfway point, I
texted you an article I found,

1111
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,120
and I I don't know if I've ever
agreed with more in an article

1112
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,240
than this review of the Grinch.
And it was like a complete

1113
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,320
takedown of just what an
abomination this movie is.

1114
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,000
I still agree with that.
But I will also say that once

1115
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,600
this movie finds a plot, you
kind of stop noticing how

1116
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,520
freaking weird everything else
is.

1117
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,440
Like the the filmmaking gets
more propulsive.

1118
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,400
There's like a rhythm to it.
You're kind of used to the

1119
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,680
garishness of it.
And so you kind of don't pay

1120
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,680
attention to that anymore, and
you're just along for the actual

1121
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:13,160
Doctor Seuss written ride.
And like I I kind of enjoyed the

1122
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,160
second-half of this movie, Brad.
I didn't enjoy it enough to give

1123
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,360
it a really high score.
But Brad, I I've been waffling

1124
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,440
between a four and a half and
A5.

1125
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,360
And then you set and then you
set the over 104 and a half

1126
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,880
4.75.
Exactly where it needed to be,

1127
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,080
baby.
Do I know you or do I know?

1128
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,240
You and I'm 100% serious, dude.
Like, we did not talk about

1129
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,000
this, this, These were the 2
scores that I was.

1130
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,840
Like is it a 5 or is it a four
and a half?

1131
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,360
I'm gonna give it.
Vegas has got nothing on me,

1132
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,120
baby.
I'm gonna give it a 4 1/2 man.

1133
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,120
Like it.
The ending is OK, but the first

1134
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,520
half is an abomination, yeah.
No, I I'm not too far off from

1135
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,040
you, Bob.
I think for me, I don't have as

1136
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:00,040
much angst about this movie
because I really don't give a

1137
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:05,480
rip about the first one.
That being said, this isn't a

1138
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,960
great movie, folks.
There are some funny moments I

1139
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,280
for me, I'm with you that the
scene of just Jim Carrey being

1140
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,880
Jim Carrey in the mountain by
himself is is overwrought in a

1141
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,000
movie full of of going over the
top.

1142
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:26,720
But it has some classic lines.
When he talks about not being

1143
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,720
able to cancel on himself for
dinner again, it's it's so

1144
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,080
funny, man.
So I think there's more than

1145
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,280
enough here to enjoy.
I wouldn't recommend watching it

1146
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:42,600
more than like twice a decade if
you even if you're a big fan.

1147
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,040
I'm like, I I don't know if this
movie is good for you if you

1148
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,560
want.
To like, Are you saying like if

1149
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,640
you want to preserve the magic
of the movie?

1150
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,480
Like you can't, you can't ruin
it for yourself?

1151
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,800
Exactly.
Got it.

1152
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:58,040
So I I'll give it a six, I'll,
I'll give it a 5 1/2 out of 10.

1153
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,680
It's it's fine.
It was OK.

1154
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,520
It made me chuckle a few times.
Not a great movie.

1155
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,280
All right folks, that takes us
to an average of just a 5 out of

1156
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,680
10.
Brad I have a feeling it's going

1157
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,480
to be pretty difficult for
anything to come out lower than

1158
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,360
this movie on the season.
Yeah, yeah, I I can't see a

1159
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,720
world where this isn't the
number 32 seed.

1160
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,600
Michael Bay and his Transformers
movies are like Challenge

1161
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:31,640
accepted, baby, yeah.
I yeah, I guess that's true.

1162
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,960
I mean, we have The Last Jedi.
We have.

1163
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,280
Yeah.
There's a lot to bring us down.

1164
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,000
All right.
We're just starting starting

1165
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,120
early in 2000.
Yeah, and we're going to

1166
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:44,640
continue this weird trend of
like goofy monsters that we've

1167
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,200
been on with Jar Jar Binks and
the Grinch.

1168
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,320
And we're going to roll into
2001 next week to look at what

1169
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,760
is apparently the Internet's
favorite film of all time, the

1170
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,600
DreamWorks animated Oscar
winning film Shrek.

1171
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,400
Hopefully that's not going to
come out to a 5 out of 10

1172
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,400
because I don't know how many
more of these I can take, Brad.

1173
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,520
So before we get out of here,
let me say folks, we'd love to

1174
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,960
hear what you think of how the
Grinch Stole Christmas.

1175
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,520
Are we out of our minds or did
we score it too high?

1176
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,520
You can let us know at any of
our social media accounts.

1177
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:22,040
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Tiktok, YouTube at Film Whiskey.

1178
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,560
Or jump into our Discord.
We have a Discord server

1179
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,240
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1180
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,480
We love getting on there,
talking to you guys, discussing

1181
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:35,160
anything going on in our worlds.
So if you want, you can join the

1182
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,520
conversation.
There's a link at the end of

1183
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,480
every single.
Join us next week for Shrek, but

1184
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,600
until then, I'm Bob book.
I'm Brad G.

1185
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,160
And we'll see you next time.