Her (2013) / Old Elk Infinity Blend Whiskey

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In 2013, director Spike Jones
and star Joaquin Phoenix gave

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the world a dystopian look at
depression, dating and

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artificial intelligence.
In 2025, we try a whiskey that

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touches the infinite.
The film is.

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Her the whiskey is Old Elk
Infinity Blend.

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And we'll review them both.
This is.

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The Film and Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And Brad, today we are looking

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at the 2013 film Her.
I've been kind of excited to

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talk about this movie for a
while.

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It almost made my list for our
Season 5 lineup.

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And so as we kind of went down
the list this season with which

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films we wanted to talk about as
potential modern masterpieces,

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we got down to like, you know,
the 25th, 26th spots and beyond.

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And then Brad and I basically
just had a draft of movies we

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wanted to talk about.
And this was one of mine.

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It it does qualify on a couple
of our categories.

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And folks, first of all, let me
take a step back.

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If this is your first time
joining us, welcome in to Film

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and Whiskey.
It's great to have you.

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It's so good to have you this
season.

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What we're doing is we're
talking about movies from the

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past 20 years, and we are asking
the question, does this deserve

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to be considered a modern
classic?

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Now, the criteria that we've set
for inclusion here is that it

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has to be in at least one of the
following categories, grossing

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$100 million at the US box
office.

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Nominated for Best Picture in
the IMDb Top 250.

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In the letterbox to top 250.
Brad, I'm.

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Just one dude, Bob.
I'm not going to lie to you, I

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have no idea.
We just kind of started

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recording here on a whim and I
did not do any research.

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So I'll tell you what, while
we're talking today, I will look

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up which criteria this one hits,
but I can't remember to save my

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life.
I want to say it was up for best

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Picture.
That sounds right.

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This, this.
I guess I'll, I'll put my claim

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on it.
There's no way that this

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wouldn't at least get a
nomination.

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No, any year.
Like, unless it came out in like

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1947, I don't know if we'd go
over as well with the Oscar

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vendors.
To be like what's a computer?

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But outside of that though, like
this is a any year best picture

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nom.
I don't know how often it would

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win best picture though.
All right, so this has an 8

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point O on IMDb, but it is
apparently not good enough to be

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in the top 250.
I think the the lowest one there

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is like an 8.1.
It was nominated for Best

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Picture.
I can guarantee that it did not

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make $100 million at the box
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So I'll check on Letterboxed as
we talk.

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But for the purposes of today,
it's a Best Picture nominee,

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Brad.
Absolutely.

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And and one worth talking about.
I'm I'm glad you chose it, Bob.

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Yeah, me too.
I think it's one of those times

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where I not only like, is this
definitely, like in my

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wheelhouse of movies, millennial
films about relationships.

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I'm I'm there.
I'm, I'm there all day,

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everyday.
Oh, my gosh, man.

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I saw this with my wife in the
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You know, it was before we were
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We both thought it looked like
an interesting movie.

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Do you remember like when you
used to have time to just go do

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stuff with the person you were
dating?

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That would was like that sounds
interesting, Let's try it.

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Yeah, and and within one week's
calendar time, you could make

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time to do it.
Yes and also like now not only

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do I not have the time to do it,
but I have to do things that are

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like sure thing, good times,
like we don't get to just

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experiment with that sounds
interesting.

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Let's try it.
It's like, no, if we don't know

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that we're going to like it,
we're not even try again

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anymore.
Absolutely.

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All that to say, we used to be
adventurous millennials.

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We saw this movie in the
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I think I came out of it the
first time saying that was like

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a nine out of 10.
And I remember my wife thinking

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that this was like a 10 out of
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She really loved this movie.
And so I'm really excited to

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dive into it with you, Brad,
because I think that there are

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quite a few movies that we've
talked about in the past on this

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podcast that we can draw
comparisons to.

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But in order to draw those
comparisons, we have to ask the

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fundamental question, Was this
your first time seeing the movie

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Her, and what familiarity did
you have with it coming into

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today?
This was my first time watching

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her and I, I would say of all
the first time films I've seen,

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I feel like the premise of this
movie is so simple and obvious

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that like, if you know the
premise, you really know what

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you're getting into.
So, you know, the the whole

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premise that I knew going into
it was that the main character

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is going through some sort of a
difficult time and he strikes up

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a relationship with his AI voice
by Scarlett Johansson, which is

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very important because listen,
it's Scarlett Johansson.

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Our girl Scar Jo just keep
showing up this season.

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I I feel like she might
officially be the lead actress

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of the film and Whiskey podcast
at this.

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Point I was going to say, I
think she might be the modern

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classic.
Yeah, I I think that it's pretty

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obvious that you and I are both
big fans of Scar Joe at this

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point, right?
Absolutely.

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Dude, She is just such an
incredible actress.

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Like all the way back from Lost
in Translation, which I don't

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know, we reviewed in Season 2,
Season 3, yeah.

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It was a long time ago, man.
Like she has never failed to

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disappoint.
Nope.

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So a few years back, the
director, Guillermo del Toro

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came out with a movie called The
Shape of Water.

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And it was a really well
reviewed movie that audiences

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kind of liked but didn't love.
It ended up going on to win Best

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Picture.
But it was one of those films

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that kind of like The Revenant
where everything boiled down to

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like, hey, did you hear that Leo
gets raped by a bear?

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You know, that was a big joke
about that movie.

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The Shape of Water just became
the joke about it was like it's

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a movie about a woman who FS a
fish and this movie her.

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I felt like it it kind of a lot
of people didn't see it when it

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came out, but people knew it as
the movie where a guy FS his

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computer.
And like I've always bristled,

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as funny as those things are,
I've always bristled at at

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reducing a movie down to
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like especially the revenant
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But this might be the one time
where like that kind of is the

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plot of this movie.
Yep.

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And I think that kind of filling
out the nuances of that

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statement is our task for today,
Brad.

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And that's my really sloppy
Segway into talking it into our

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first segment of the day, which
we call Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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taken on the clock, so let's go
ahead and do your take with this

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little segment that we call,
Brad explains.

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This is going to be followed by
our our new segments, Sloppy

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Segways.
Sloppy.

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Sick Big ways, Baby Brad
explains, is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen often for the first
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Now we've established this was
Brad's first time seeing her.

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Brad, you have 60 seconds on the
clock to spoil this movie.

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Folks, if you have not seen the
movie her, I would highly

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suggest pausing here.
Go watch the film and then

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rejoin us for the conversation
afterwards.

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Brad, one minute and go.
Her is a film that follows

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Twombley.
I can think of his last name.

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What's his first name?
Theodore.

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Theodore.
Theodore Twombley.

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It's the one of the greatest
names we've ever had in a movie.

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Bob Beasley.
I think so.

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As he navigates the loss of his
marriage over an impending

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divorce and finds an operating
system named Samantha.

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She is an artificial
intelligence that becomes his

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best friend and soon his lover.
And then we navigate what it

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looks like to date an artificial
intelligence with some of the

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most poorly delivered lines
about the most ridiculous things

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I've ever heard in my life by
Amy Adams and Chris Pratt, who

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clearly wants to bang Theodore
Twombley.

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Sure, the end.
I mean, who wouldn't?

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What a mustache dude.
I, I don't know if I've ever

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seen a better, like come hit her
look than every single moment

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Chris Pratt looks at Joaquin
Phoenix in this movie.

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He's like, I've beaten this
girl, but one word from you and

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I'm I'm moving on, baby.
Brad, I don't mean to spoil my

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let's make it a double and I I
guess I technically won't, but I

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think one of the places to start
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to talk about all the other
movies that it reminds us of

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because it is a very unique
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But I do think it kind of fits
into the sub genre that I was

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talking about of like these
millennial relationship movies.

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You know, there's a ton of,
well, I've you said lost in

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translation.
There's a ton of lost in

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translation in this movie.
Just in terms of finding a

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relationship in the midst of
complete isolation in a big

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city.
I think that's there.

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I think that in terms of like,
go ahead.

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Eternal Sunshine of the shithead
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Eternal Sunshine is all over the
place here less it's less

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avant-garde than Eternal
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It's a much more like
conventional movie, but in terms

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of.
Makes it way better.

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I think that there's a lot of
the movie up in the air with

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George Clooney in this in terms
of like what his job is and what

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that signifies about him.
And then like the one I'm always

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going to come back to just in
terms of the the pacing, the

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deliberate pacing of the movie
that like the slow, gentle

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quietness of it.
It it's definitely got past

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lives in it as well.
And I'm wondering, Brad, as you

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watched the movie, was there
anything in particular that it

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it triggered for you in terms of
past conversations we've had

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about films?
Honestly it it even reminded me

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a little bit way back in season
1 of Like a Tree of Life.

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Interesting.
There there's like a slowness of

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the film that just knows it is
sure of itself, like it, it

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knows what it's trying to do.
You know, Spike is very clearly

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aware of what he's trying to do
to the audience.

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And so I, yeah, I think there's,
there's lots of movies that kind

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of fit that bill.
The the ones that really stood

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out to me would be Eternal
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That feels like the most obvious
connection here.

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Yeah, for sure.
I'm glad you said Tree of Life

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'cause I, I think especially in
the first half of the movie,

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there's this really cool editing
technique that they do where,

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you know, as his memories kind
of pop back up, they just

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interspersed like small little
almost insert shots of moments

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from his past relationships.
They almost never have dialogue.

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They're almost entirely silent.
And I, I think that it again, it

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reminds me of like, do you
remember at the end of past

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lives where they're standing
there waiting on the taxi to

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come and then they cut back to
the moment when they were both

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kids again and they were
standing on those stairs like

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looking at each other.
It reminds me of that.

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And I think the best possible
term to use for that kind of

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filmmaking is one that you just
used, which is like assured.

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It's very self assured
filmmaking.

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And I think that, like, you
know, I've been trying to feel

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you out on this movie a little
bit, Brad, I have no idea where

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you land on it yet.
But I think that even if you're

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not entirely on this movie's
wavelength, there's something to

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be said about watching a movie
where you just know that the

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filmmaker is doing exactly what
they set out to do.

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And like the movie, has that
stamp of self assuredness on it.

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Yeah, the, and that's that's the
beautiful thing of this film is

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that you can really tell there's
no mistakes here.

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Like like there's definitely
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kind of gets away from the
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The only thing for me and I, I
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during my, Brett explains.
There are some lines in this

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film that are so far fetched, so
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that like Amy Adams, great
actress, one of my absolute

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favorites.
When she says to Theodore, when

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when Joaquin Phoenix tells her
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I'm actually dating an OS and
she just goes, Oh yeah, I've

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totally heard that people are
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pretty rare.
My one friend got rejected by

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his OS.
I would like, I'm sorry, man,

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like other than that and when
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date and the his girlfriend is
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I'm just kind of like, Oh well,
I know what Spike Jones is into.

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I don't know if this movie.
You can't really say it's that

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far fetched because now we have
only fans, right?

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We're just women just show their
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time.
So.

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You're not wrong.
It was precious.

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Spike spends How much do you
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feet Only fans?
Not as much as Tarantino does, I

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can tell you that much.
You're not wrong there man.

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All right, I want to ask you a
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talking about the performances.
One thing that I was excited

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about watching this movie again
because I hadn't watched it

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since the movie theater 12 years
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And I have it like I bought the
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It's on my shelf and I just have
never gotten back around to

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watching it.
And I had forgotten how funny

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this movie is, especially in the
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It's 2 hour movie.
I would say it gets like much

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more sullen in the second-half.
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loneliness.
So like that kind of sullenness

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is there throughout the movie.
But I think Spike Jones writes a

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number of really funny moments
and scenes in the first hour.

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But I also found myself
wondering, like, I wonder if

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Brad is vibing with the comedy
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So I'd love to hear your
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make you laugh?
And did like, were you aware of

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the intention behind it?
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some, I don't even know if I'd
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if a movie is about depression
but has some comedy, it's it's

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like automatically called dark
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I, I don't even know if I'd call
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Like, this movie isn't just
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It's about what is, what does it
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And so, yeah, there are moments
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I did find myself laughing at
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screen.
Like when as ridiculous as it

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was when Joaquin Phoenix tells
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and he just goes oh cool bro we
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sometime.
I like the delivery was just

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absolutely perfect and I he was
by far the funniest character

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throughout the film.
I think the the scene that I

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anticipated being like the most
controversial one for you, but

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which is also the one that is
like the most obviously all

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written to be a joke, is his
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with the voice of Kristen Wiig.
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movie, he's like he's super
lonely and he's browsing chat

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rooms and he has a phone sex
call essentially with this woman

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called sexy Kitten.
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and heavy, she's she reveals
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she is into some weird, weird
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And it's it's so absurd that it
really catches you off guard

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because you don't realize this
is the kind of movie that it

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wants to be.
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I think it's really funny.
It also felt like the most out

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of place moment in the movie.
But I but I do feel like it has

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a place kind of thematically.
So I was wondering like, what

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did you think of that scene?
I think it kind of pairs with

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his date with Olivia Wilde.
Is is that her name?

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You never.
Remember, is that Olivia Wilde

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or Olivia Munn?
I don't know.

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Let's see.
I think it's Olivia Wilde.

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That's Olivia Wilde, Yeah.
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So for me it pairs with that
because those are like 2

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interactions that he has with
real women who are not Amy Adams

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essentially.
And they both do not fit the

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vibe of the movie.
Like I understood where he's

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going with the comedy, with the
the sex chat.

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It just doesn't work for me.
The Olivia Wilde scene, just, I,

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I, I couldn't understand if
like, it was an example of Jones

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trying to show that Joaquin
Phoenix had a different

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perception of the night that
they had because she's so

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quickly abrupt and abruptly
turns to calling him a creep

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that I, I, I didn't, I was like,
hold on.

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Nothing in that date would make
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I think that both of those
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weird with the rest of the.
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talk about both the scenes
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both important even if they do
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So that first like phone sex
conversation I think really

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underscores this idea that not
like a people online are just

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weirdos, right.
And Oh, yeah.

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ultimately Spike Jones doesn't
land on the side of, like, the

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Internet and technology can be
useful tools if we use them the

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right way.
I think he's ultimately, like,

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very pessimistic about what
humanity will do with technology

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as a way of replacing real human
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And so I think that that scene,
like really underscores people

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go online as a way of
anonymizing they're weird kinks,

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right?
Like if I do it online, it it's

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not as weird and creepy as if I
were to like approach somebody

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at a date like that.
Like if Kristen Wiig's character

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did that over dinner to you,
you'd be like, this person

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should be institutionalized.
But because you're just floating

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around a chat room like it's the
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the first sign we get that

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Phoenix is a guy who's lonely
and looking for connection.

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And like, it's pretty clear that
the Internet is not the place

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for him to be finding women,
right?

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Absolutely, and and I think
that's why it kind of feels

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weird that he ends up finding a
woman not technically over the

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Internet, but you know, a
replacement woman through this

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OS and like that at the end of
the day, like that's what this

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movie is all about, right?
It's like, how can we find

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replacements for the real thing
that we know we need?

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And I don't, you know, I don't
know if that's what everybody

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else took away from it.
That's what I took away from it,

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that, you know, he's using the
Internet to replace his soon to

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be divorced wife and he's using
Amy Adams friendship to replace

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the friendship he might have had
with his wife.

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And he's using Olivia Wilde to
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And and there's just all these
things where he's trying to find

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his happiness in places that
he's just, you know, not going

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to find it.
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character of Samantha, the OS
voiced by Scarlett Johansson, is

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really, you know, if we could
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metaphor or a symbol, right?
Like another film that this

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reminds me of thematically is
500 Days of Summer, which is a

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movie that I really loved
returning to with you Brad, as

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you know, late 20 somethings,
early 30 somethings because it

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reads so differently.
Like once you are in a stable,

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committed relationship and no
longer like an idealistic young

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man.
Because the character of Tom in

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that movie is.
Like way different than I

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remembered him being, right?
Like he, I think he kind of

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epitomizes the idea of like
toxic masculinity in a lot of

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ways.
But that whole film is about

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like the idea of somebody versus
the real person.

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And when you idealize somebody,
when you try to create a, a, a

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fictionalized perfect person,
you are bound to be let down,

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right?
And this one entire character of

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Samantha is like he's getting
over being divorced.

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And so he uses this like quote,
UN quote, perfect woman that

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he's constructed or that's being
constructed for him.

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And like, and you know, from the
start, this is doomed to fail

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because there's this is not
real.

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There's nothing tangible here.
There's nothing that can

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possibly satisfy him long term.
Because like, as he comes to

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find out too, like in order to
be happy, you have to take the

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flawed nature of being human as
well.

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And I think that like, just as a
character, you have to look at

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his interactions with Samantha
from that standpoint.

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I will say I'm with you 100%.
I was thinking about 500 days of

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summer in terms of like color
palette, like there's, there's

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such a distinct choices in color
made in 500 days of summer that

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I feel like you get here in her
as well.

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That if there's anything I like
about this movie, because I I

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don't think I like the message
at the end.

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I love the colors that Jones
sets up and primarily for the

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fact that it's like almost
pastel, But it's it's not like

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he doesn't go completely into a
soft Easter colored palette.

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It's just these beautiful,
vibrant colours that make you

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want to live in his world.
It's really warm hues and I

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like, I noticed it immediately
watching this movie and I think

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part of the reason it stands out
now as opposed to 12 years ago

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is that everything looks like
grey slop now.

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Like every movie that Netflix
releases like this would have

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gone straight to Netflix if it
was made today, and it would

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look incredibly shitty in
comparison.

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And you know, our friend Patrick
H Williams did a great video,

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gosh, 5-10 years ago now where
he talked about like, why do

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Marvel movies look so ugly?
And I think that the Marvel

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aesthetic has really taken over
in terms of how quickly movies

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are cranked out.
And just having characters wear

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colorful things and have
sunshine actually be yellow hued

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now seems like a revolutionary
thing, you know?

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Yeah, Yep.
Crazy.

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Well, and, and the wild thing is
like, it's not like they're

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trying to create a specific
aesthetic like they would have

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been in the 80s.
It's just the fact that it's

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Gray and boring and they don't
have time to make it beautiful.

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Well, let's talk a little bit
more about the aesthetic of this

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movie because that was also one
of the things that were made fun

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of a lot.
I remember an SNL skit that came

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out right after the movie was
released where they were making

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fun of like the high waisted
pants and characters kept

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showing up in the skit wearing
like higher and higher waisted

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pants.
It was really funny.

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But you know, back in 2013 it it
was just different enough to

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look slightly futuristic.
And that's the whole like the

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whole goal of this movie is it's
set a little bit in the future,

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but not far enough in the future
that it feels like a sci-fi

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movie.
I really like that because it

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helps the movie speak to the
current climate a little bit

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better.
But it's also really funny

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because I think with current
fashion trends, I watched this

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movie and I actually noticed the
fashion less.

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So I'm wondering if Spike Jones
was just like really predictive

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of things, like where trends
were going to go, even down to

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the fashion.
Yeah, absolutely, man.

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I I mean, you are correct.
It's not that out of place

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except for the fact that nobody
wears a belt.

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That that was like the only
thing of the aesthetic that I'm

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like, man, you like, you can't
wear pants like that with your,

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your shirt tucked in and not
have a belt on.

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Come on, Joaquin.
All right, man, let's talk about

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the performances a little bit.
And I guess we should start

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right at the top with Joaquin
Phoenix, who is he's such an

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interesting actor, Brad, because
I, I think I'd be doing a

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disservice to him to say that I
think he has limited range.

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I don't think that's the case.
I just think that that like a

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lot of our really great actors
like a like a Willem Dafoe, like

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there's only so many kinds of
characters that a Willem Dafoe

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can play just because of who
Willem Dafoe is, right?

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Like you just not you're not
going to cast him as like your

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ROM com lead.
Like he just doesn't have the

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face for it.
And I think similarly.

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Until you, until you do.
And all of a sudden it's Billy

446
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,320
Crystal and When Harry Met Sally
and all of us are like, what a

447
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,680
revelation.
How could we never?

448
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,000
Saw it, yeah.
And I think with Phoenix, like

449
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,840
you watch a movie with Joaquin
Phoenix and you kind of know

450
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,320
what you're getting.
But then even within that,

451
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,520
there's so many shades to it.
Like we watched Joker a little

452
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:32,680
while ago and the, like,
sensitive kind of wimpy

453
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,120
character is Joaquin Phoenix's
specialty here.

454
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,200
But the difference between
Arthur Fleck and Theodore

455
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,320
Twombley is night and day like.
I was blown away by how

456
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560
different of a person he seemed
in this movie to that movie.

457
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:52,320
Yeah, it's insane cause 'cause
you're right, like Tom Hanks is

458
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,680
at this point always Tom Hanks.
And so the curious, the

459
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,360
curiosity for me is like, what
kind of Tom Hanks are we getting

460
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,080
and what, what element of his
own character are we going to

461
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,800
get accentuated?
And I, I think that within his

462
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,720
sphere, Joaquin is like a
freaking chameleon man.

463
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,480
But like, he just has a talent
for bringing out different

464
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,720
nuances to his performances
every time around.

465
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,280
And, and it's interesting.
I, I feel like before the

466
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,480
podcast started, the only movie
I'd ever really seen Joaquin in

467
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,200
was Gladiator.
So I it's interesting to have

468
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,320
now seen him in a lot of
different films because you do

469
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,920
get a better sense of who he is.
A. 100%, man.

470
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,840
And I think top to bottom, like
my big take away from this movie

471
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,440
is I'm shocked at how good all
the performances are.

472
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,040
Like, not that I was expecting
bad performances, but I am a

473
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,760
noted fan of Amy Adams.
I have always liked Amy Adams.

474
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,120
I just, yeah, I think she's just
the freaking best.

475
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,000
And I watched this movie, and I
was like, is this the best Amy

476
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,960
Adams performance I've ever
seen?

477
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,720
And I know that you're, like,
the world's biggest fan of

478
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,880
Arrival.
And I like Arrival, OK.

479
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,520
And that's her movie, right?
But to come in and be like,

480
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,680
easily third banana in this
movie, for Spike Jones to just

481
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,360
leave the camera on her as much
as he does during their

482
00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,800
conversations so that you can
watch her react to lions instead

483
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,120
of just, you know, cut back and
forth after everybody delivers

484
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:30,720
their line.
She just inhabits those

485
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,440
conversations.
And it really helps give a sense

486
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,040
of believability to her
relationship with Theodore that,

487
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,440
you know, that they're old
friends going back decades, but

488
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,200
also to see, like, this
internalized grieving process

489
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,560
that she's going through from
her own separation.

490
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,320
I was freaking blown away by Amy
Adams, man.

491
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,480
She's fine.
No, Brad.

492
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,560
Like, I dude, I love Amy Adams,
one of my favorite actresses.

493
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:03,320
I like AI think that what I
referenced earlier when she's

494
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,000
trying to like make it chill
about him dating an artificial

495
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,080
intelligence isn't good.
It's a really bad line delivery

496
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,280
of a really bad line.
And then outside of that, like,

497
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,720
yeah, she does a great job of
connecting with Joaquin.

498
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:22,200
I think that the performance of
her husband soon to be

499
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,160
ex-husband kind of makes her
suffer because he's such a twat.

500
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,920
Like the dude is just the worst
and it's so obvious that he's

501
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,000
the worst that you're kind of
like it's almost unbelievable

502
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,400
that she even likes him.
Kind of like a Robin Scherbatsky

503
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,560
situation, if I will.
So I, I just, I, I don't think

504
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,920
this is a bad performance from
her, that there's moments of

505
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,520
connection between her and
Phoenix that I'm all about.

506
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,920
But overall, I would just say
this is like a fine, like B -, B

507
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,280
performance from her.
All right.

508
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,600
Well, a hard disagree there, but
I will say I don't think we're

509
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,360
going to disagree about Scarlett
Johansson.

510
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Let's come back around to Scar
Joe now.

511
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,520
So Brad, I have no idea this was
part of your two facts and a

512
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,840
falsehood.
But one of the big takeaways

513
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,680
from this movie is that as they
were filming it, the actress

514
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,920
Samantha Morton was providing
the voice for Samantha.

515
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720
Part of why the character was
named Samantha, I would assume.

516
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,480
And as they were cutting the
movie in post production, Spike

517
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Jones is like this is not
working.

518
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,600
We need to recast this
character.

519
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,720
And then they hired Scarlett
Johansson, which is freaking

520
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,360
nuts that they did the entire
movie with.

521
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Like, you know, it's not like
Back to the Future where they

522
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,360
started with Eric Stoltz as
Marty McFly and then like 3

523
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,880
weeks in they were like this is
not going to work and then hired

524
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,400
Michael J Fox.
They shot the whole movie with a

525
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,560
different person and then
changed it in post production.

526
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:55,280
So I I was already kind of
impressed by how well Scarjo and

527
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Joaquin played off each other.
I found myself wondering at

528
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,640
multiple points, like I wonder
if she recorded her stuff 1st

529
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,600
and then he reacted to it like
you know, in on set because

530
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,600
there's this one scene where
he's like on a train and she's

531
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,560
talking to him and it's like 1
unbroken shot of him just

532
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,600
listening and reacting.
And they time it up so well that

533
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,320
I was like who did their stuff
first?

534
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,760
You know?
Come to find out, Scarjo's

535
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,560
literally just over dubbing this
in post production.

536
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,480
I like it.
It impressed me even more.

537
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,720
Brad, this isn't unbelievable
performance from someone whose

538
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,040
face you never see.
Yeah, dude, Scarlett Johansson

539
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,720
might be the best actress of the
modern era.

540
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,360
Like.
Spicy take.

541
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520
Of the last 20 years, maybe
since lost in translation.

542
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Yeah.
So and one of the key elements

543
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,200
of her acting is her voice.
So I like I can't imagine them

544
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,040
finding a better person for
this.

545
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,920
She like she can do playful, she
can do serious, she can do

546
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:04,040
jealous, she can do angry.
She can do every single element

547
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,440
of what you need a voice only
girlfriend to be.

548
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,280
And she is by far the highlights
of this movie.

549
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,600
She's so good, man, and and I
feel like we kind of trip over

550
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,040
ourselves to praise her a lot on
this show.

551
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,520
I still think Marriage Story is
her crowning achievement as an

552
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,680
actress to this point.
Brad, let's see, how many films

553
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680
of hers have we done?
We've done lots in translation.

554
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,600
We've done The Avengers, we've
done End Game, we've done

555
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,960
Marriage Story, we've done JoJo
Rabbit, we've done this.

556
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,520
So at least six, if not more.
What's your favorite performance

557
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,520
of hers so far?
Oh, that's tough, man.

558
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,920
I would put Marriage Story up
there.

559
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,840
I'd put JoJo Rabbit up there.
I think Sneaky, she's really

560
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:58,480
good in End Game, that dude,
She's she's just so good.

561
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,720
Yeah.
Lost in Translation.

562
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Her and Bill Murray are
incredible together.

563
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,320
I love that you're just going to
name all six movies again.

564
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,320
Yeah, that's.
That's, well, it's hard not to.

565
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,240
Yeah.
Where Where are you at?

566
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,920
I, I, I mean, I think it's
Marriage Story and then like a

567
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:18,320
pretty sizable gap and then
probably this and then another

568
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,160
small gap and then we can put
the others in there.

569
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,280
That's where I'd be at.
Sure.

570
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,880
All right, Brad, so we've gone
through our performances, we've

571
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,000
talked about the costuming,
we've talked about, you know,

572
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,120
the aesthetic of the movie.
Is there anything else on the

573
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,320
technical side you want to hit
before we get to break?

574
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Dude, the moment where she talks
about taking a picture for him

575
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:48,320
in the form of a piano song.
A What a great idea like to like

576
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:54,080
have a piano piece commissioned
as a memory for a time with you

577
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,680
and your spouse.
One of the best romantic ideas

578
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,640
ever.
B The piano music in this the

579
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,600
compositions are just stunningly
beautiful and and throughout the

580
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160
film, even, you know, even when
it's not Samantha playing piano

581
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:15,040
for him, like the music of this
movie sets the mood so

582
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,240
perfectly.
It it really feels like one of

583
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,920
the better scores that we've
heard in a while.

584
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Yeah, so this movie was
nominated for best original

585
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,120
score.
It was nominated for best

586
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,200
original song.
It didn't get any acting

587
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,360
nominations, which I'm like
really shocked at.

588
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,440
If if you were going to give
somebody a nomination from this

589
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,920
movie, who do you think it
should be?

590
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,280
Chris Pratt?
Here's the question.

591
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Come hit their eyes.
Here's the question, is Chris

592
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,600
Pratt better as like the 5th
lead in a movie than he is as a

593
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,960
lead?
Oh, that's a good question.

594
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,480
I dude, he was incredible in
Moneyball.

595
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:05,200
I think he has a great.
Yes, he has the chops to carry a

596
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,000
movie.
And I think that, like the first

597
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,120
two Guardians films speak to
that, right?

598
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,320
I think that over the last 10
years, he has like slowly

599
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,120
completed his metamorphosis into
buff Jack Black.

600
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,760
And Jack Black only works as
like, if I'm being frank about

601
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,639
Jack Black.
Jack Black only works as like

602
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,400
the poor man's Chris Farley.
Like that's why I think School

603
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,920
of Rock works, you know what I
mean?

604
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,760
So if you're trying to do Jack
Black as leading man, I don't

605
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,040
think that works.
And you you have to have that in

606
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,040
smaller doses.
And Pratt is good enough that

607
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,679
like, I think he's a better
dramatic actor than Jack Black

608
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,120
is.
So he knows how to like modulate

609
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,440
that.
But he's gone so far into like,

610
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,480
I want to make money, make me
the lead of this crappy movie.

611
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,199
Like he's in that really awful
Netflix movie that just came out

612
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:58,120
too The Electric State.
I just wish that he would get

613
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,120
back to doing interesting
projects again.

614
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,680
I also feel like that was just
like the inception of like

615
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,840
actors on actors.
Like Chris.

616
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,760
Pat Pratt is the jacked Jack
Black, who is the poor man's

617
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,320
Chris Farley.
It's just Chris Farley being

618
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,840
reincarnated as as thinner and
thinner people as he goes.

619
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Yeah, yeah.
And, and Chris Farley like 3

620
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,240
steps up is like Lou Costello,
right, Right.

621
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,560
They're, they're all, they're
all just grand grandfathered in

622
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,920
somehow.
And all of them are just chasing

623
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,680
the perfect platonic ideal
balance of comedy and drama.

624
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,000
That is John Candy, right?
Yeah.

625
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,520
Oh, dude, let me go.
Good, good reference.

626
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,800
We did it, man.
All right, on that note, Brad, I

627
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,320
think it's time for us to drink
some whiskey.

628
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,280
What do you say we get into this
Old Elk?

629
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:53,760
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

630
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,080
checking out Old Elk Infinity
Blend.

631
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,400
Brad, this is the first time
we've had Old Elk on the show in

632
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,600
quite a long time.
We have had them, I believe,

633
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,160
twice on the show.
I know once I sat down with

634
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,000
their master blender to do a my
favorite movie.

635
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,560
And I feel like you and I have
reviewed at least one other

636
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,600
product of theirs, but it's been
long enough that I can't exactly

637
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,600
remember.
So welcome back, Old Elk.

638
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Yeah, it it has been a minute.
We are very, very excited to get

639
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:27,680
our hands on year's edition, the
2023 edition of their Infinity

640
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,560
Blend.
Yeah.

641
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,800
So this is a project they
started back in 2021 making the

642
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,000
bottle that we have the third
iteration of this Infinity

643
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,440
blend.
Folks, I know it's now 2025, but

644
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,280
what are you going to do?
I mean, this just came out last

645
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,200
year.
They released the 2023 version

646
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,240
at the beginning of 2024.
So like there's, you know, we're

647
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,920
two iterations past that, but
you got to forgive us.

648
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,240
I think what we're saying here,
Brad, is as per use, we are

649
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,880
behind the curve.
But also I like doing stuff this

650
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,320
way a little bit because like I,
I don't feel like we get caught

651
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,920
up in the hype of anything.
And we're choosing 1 iteration

652
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,160
out of the five that they've
released now and deciding like

653
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,680
just based on this, do we think
this skew this brand, this label

654
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,200
is worth the money?
Yeah, absolutely.

655
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,120
And it's, it's really fun to get
a little bit older of an

656
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,880
iteration so you kind of know
where they're coming from if we

657
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,160
get to try any future ones.
So like most craft distillers,

658
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,360
Old Elk, which is based out of
Colorado, you know, started by a

659
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,600
lot of sourcing, right?
They've done some MGP, they've

660
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,520
done some Barton barrels, and
they've also started distilling

661
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,440
their own stuff.
They're a big source for

662
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,240
contract distilling now.
So they've been putting up their

663
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,520
own distillate and it's been
aging over the years.

664
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,680
But back in 21, they decided to
make this Infinity blend with

665
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,160
basically all of the different
whiskeys they've ever used

666
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,920
blended into one thing.
And so now what what they do

667
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,800
each year is they take the prior
year's Infinity blend and use

668
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,200
that as the base for the
following year.

669
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,400
So in this 2023 batch, what we
have is 15.3% of the blend is

670
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,800
the 2022 Infinity blend batch.
But importantly, this is the

671
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,560
first year where they didn't use
any other sourced bourbons or

672
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,080
sourced whiskeys.
In it, like everything else, is

673
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,600
their own distillate.
So 40% of it is their high malt

674
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,400
bourbon aged for eight years,
43.2% is their wheat whiskey

675
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,160
aged for seven years, and then 1
1/2% of it is their wheat

676
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,280
whiskey aged for 10 years.
So that's all their own stuff.

677
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,840
Now, there will always be a
tiny, tiny amount of sourced

678
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,360
whiskey in it because that's
part of the base, right?

679
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:44,160
But as they blend it out, it'll
get down into like the, you

680
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,400
know, .001 percents of stuff
that's not theirs.

681
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,720
I think it's a cool concept man.
Yeah.

682
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:52,640
I mean, you and I both have done
Infinity bottles at different

683
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,320
points in our whiskey drinking
journeys with very, you know,

684
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,800
varying results.
I don't think we've ever had an

685
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,760
Infinity bottle that we've made
that wasn't good.

686
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,040
No, yeah.
And, and I would like to think

687
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,240
that they wouldn't release 1 to
the public that they didn't

688
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:10,200
think was good either, you know?
Yeah, they're, they're actually

689
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,800
interested in making money.
We're we're just interested in

690
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,240
enjoying.
Good whiskey.

691
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,280
All right, man.
With all that said, let's dive

692
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,800
in.
Obviously, we cannot call this a

693
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,320
bourbon because it contains
multiple kinds of whiskey in it.

694
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:29,360
So this is a blended whiskey.
It clocks in at 55.575% ABV or a

695
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,520
little over 111 proof.
Brad, I'm sticking my nose in

696
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,040
this glass for the first time.
You've already tried it, so why

697
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,480
don't you give us your nosing
notes?

698
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:47,480
This has just the most pleasant
nose that as soon as I stuck my

699
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,120
nose in there, I got like a
really heavy cinnamon apple

700
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,240
cider that just like kicked me
in all the most beautiful ways.

701
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,280
There's like baking spices, it's
caramel heavy.

702
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,880
It this feels like the
quintessential fall whiskey that

703
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,880
I gave an 8 out of 10 to.
I'm going to give it a nine out

704
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,320
of 10 on the nose.
And this is, this is going to

705
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,440
sound sacrilegious a little bit
for a Colorado whiskey, but

706
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,080
there's something about the nose
of this that I, I smell it and

707
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,480
I'm immediately transported to
the Kentucky Bourbon Festival.

708
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,600
I don't know why.
I think part of it is because

709
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,720
every year we try that really
good 4 grain from Luxco and our,

710
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,320
you know, our Luxe row and this
kind of reminds me of that a

711
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,360
little bit.
It's got just enough wheat on

712
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,240
the nose that it has that great
sort of cherry cola to it, but

713
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,120
it's super caramel Y and I get a
lot of red delicious apple peel

714
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,160
on this.
It is definitely a fall whiskey

715
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,800
and it makes me feel very
nostalgic.

716
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,240
So I'm going to give it a nine
out of 10.

717
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,800
The flavor profile when you move
into the pallet, it just

718
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,400
continues the Immaculate journey
we started on.

719
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,200
This is like clove.
It reminds me of like a hot

720
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,000
chocolate powder.
There's the apple cider coming

721
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,240
through.
It gets nice and vanilla Y

722
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,240
throughout, which kind of helps
soften it a bit.

723
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,680
And there is, it gets into like
a little bit of like an oily

724
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,880
leather that I I'm a big fan of.
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2

725
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,480
here.
I really like your oily leather

726
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,480
note.
I think it's super accurate.

727
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,560
If I could divide this up
between like front of my palate

728
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,760
and back of my palate, I think
the front part of my tongue is

729
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,080
enjoying this like crazy.
Like it's super decadent, almost

730
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,840
like a melted vanilla ice cream
or like a vanilla milkshake.

731
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,560
When you get to the, you get to
the back of it and it does get

732
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,880
this leather note that runs
straight down the middle of my

733
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,120
tongue.
It gets just a little bit like

734
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,200
bitter slash sour.
And that's the only Ding on this

735
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,520
for me.
When I go to swallow, the

736
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,400
vanilla extract kind of comes
back up my tongue and helps

737
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,080
balance that out.
But I think it might be the malt

738
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,200
whiskey in here that has that
kind of like American craft note

739
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,440
to it.
It definitely takes this down a

740
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920
step from what it could because
it was batting that, you know,

741
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,720
it was like a a 9.5 for me.
And that note really detracted.

742
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,720
I think I'm just going to give
it an 8 out of 10 bread.

743
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,600
I think finish wise you get into
all of the depths of what this

744
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,040
whiskey is trying to offer.
That leather continues on it.

745
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,680
It goes from being like a rich
decadent into like a really nice

746
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,160
soft brown sugar note.
It gets peppery, some like black

747
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,080
pepper, baking spices.
It's a really pleasant finish

748
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,880
that adds to the complexity
layer of the experience.

749
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,480
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10 here.

750
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,240
Yeah, I don't know how else to
describe it besides like there's

751
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:45,240
just a little bit of a craft
whiskey note on the back end.

752
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,360
And it's not really fair to like
Ding it for that because that's

753
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,160
literally what it is.
It is a craft whiskey, but it

754
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,120
has like this really big, round,
oily, viscous, mature taste to

755
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,240
it.
And then it kind of gets a

756
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:02,120
little bit thinner on the back
and and the flavors kind of thin

757
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,200
out as well.
And it gets not harsh, but just

758
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,640
a little bit less complex and
mature.

759
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,560
And so I think that for me, the
the experience does taper off a

760
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,360
bit from nose to taste to
finish.

761
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,680
It's still a really good
whiskey, but I think once again,

762
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,840
I'm just going to give it an 8
out of 10 on the finish.

763
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Yeah.
And I, I think when it comes to

764
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,200
balance, I think that this is
incredibly well made.

765
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,600
And because of the fact that
this is an Infinity blend,

766
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,400
something that they are like
very clearly saying, hey, we

767
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,080
want to make an extraordinarily
well balanced product with with

768
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,640
all of these different whiskeys
we're putting together year

769
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,200
after year.
I think that they're nailing

770
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,040
that premise so far.
I'm going to give it a nine out

771
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,880
of 10 on balance.
Yeah, I think again, I

772
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,960
definitely did experience a fall
off from nose to taste to

773
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,080
finish, so I'm going to Ding it
a bit here.

774
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,120
I really like this whiskey
though.

775
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,360
Like I, I think if I'm being
objective, this is like an 8 out

776
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,200
of 10, but it's the kind of
eight out of 10 that I actually

777
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,680
want on my shelf, which is
saying something because I never

778
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,400
want to keep whiskeys on my
shelf anymore.

779
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,400
So it's a very positive thumbs
up on an 8 out of 10 for me.

780
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,200
That's a great humble brag.
Bob, thank you very much.

781
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,160
I, well, I don't, dude.
Like how many whiskeys do you

782
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,520
get in the mail now?
Even if it's good that you're

783
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,160
like, I need to keep this one,
you know?

784
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,280
Yeah, no, 100%.
What I'm saying folks is just

785
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,120
show up at my door.
Free whiskey for all.

786
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,120
Let's go, dude.
Brad, let's get into the value

787
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,040
on this.
It looks like MSRP on these

788
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,200
bottles is $150.
Now for this particular bottle,

789
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,840
I imagine that because of
scarcity, the price has gone up.

790
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,960
So should we set it at the price
for this bottle or should we set

791
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,000
it at MSRP and say that we're
reviewing like the whole line?

792
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,000
I would say the latter.
Let let's set it at 150 because

793
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,960
if you're looking to buy this
new, which I would imagine way

794
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,640
more people would be trying to
do that, then you're looking at

795
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,560
$150.00 bottle.
And, and at that price point,

796
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,760
Baba, I think that this is a
fair value.

797
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,320
Like they're doing a really
unique and interesting

798
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,120
experiment.
They're like making a distillery

799
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,240
wide Infinity bottle that the
public can partake in.

800
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,120
And and like that's a cool
concept partnered with a really

801
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,280
good product.
So I'm going to give it a seven

802
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,040
and a half 10 out of 10 on the
value.

803
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,800
All right, so I see like they're
blended bourbon is 40 bucks,

804
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,880
their regular bourbon is almost
$100.00.

805
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,120
So like they're definitely a
pricier whiskey to begin with.

806
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,240
So on that scale, I don't think
150 is outrageous.

807
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,200
I do kind of wish this was 100,
like it would be right in line

808
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,840
with that 4 grain from Luxe Row
that I was talking about.

809
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,480
And I think that's nice for a
specialty, you know, not

810
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,960
necessarily like a luxury
bourbon, but one that's just

811
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,680
like a little different, a
little special. 150 is like, I

812
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,720
still think it's an OK value,
but I'm just going to give it a

813
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,040
7 out of 10 here, Brad.
Yeah.

814
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,480
And my, my total is coming out
to a 41 out of 50.

815
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,800
Bob, this is a really impressive
blend that we have here from Old

816
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,120
Elk.
Yeah, I'm coming out to a 40 out

817
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,960
of 50.
So that makes this very easy to

818
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,080
average.
We are at a 40.5 out of 50 or an

819
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,720
81 out of 100.
Now that sounds low.

820
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:19,800
Like, you know, it sounds like
ACI don't think this is a sea

821
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
whiskey.
I just think that like we have

822
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,720
to remind people every now and
then if something hits a 35,

823
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,360
it's a thumbs up.
It's like a soft recommend if

824
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,520
something hits a kind of a no
brainer.

825
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,640
What's our combined score?
It's a 81.

826
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,720
That that's AB minus my friend.
Just just so you know that that

827
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:46,000
is how every single human being
in America outside of you thinks

828
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,080
of the grading system.
Well, OK, listen, I but even if

829
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,800
you sat this in front of me and
said like, give this a grade, I

830
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
don't think I'd call this AB
minus whiskey.

831
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,080
It's a better whiskey than that.
And that's what I'm saying is

832
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,520
like, you know, maybe we grade
too harshly, but anything over a

833
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,960
40 for us is a a pretty no
brainer recommendation. 100%,

834
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,320
yeah.
This is a no brainer

835
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:12,200
recommendation, just like the
typical school grading system

836
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,120
that everybody uses except for
Bob.

837
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,720
It's no brainer.
Oh, man.

838
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,000
All right.
Hey, what do you say we get back

839
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:20,840
into talking about the movie
Her?

840
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:23,360
I am absolutely ready for this,
Bob.

841
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Let's get to it.
All right everybody.

842
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,520
That was Old Elk Infinity Blend,
specifically the 2023 release.

843
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,280
A whiskey that man I am
impressed with.

844
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,080
I am having such a good time
today.

845
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,520
I like this movie a lot.
I like that whiskey a lot and

846
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,040
they both were pleasant
surprises for me.

847
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,680
Brad So what a day.
Yeah, totally.

848
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Dude, this is just a beautiful
day to be together.

849
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,360
If only we could write each
other a letter or have Joaquin

850
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,240
write each other a letter.
That would be nice, wouldn't it?

851
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,880
Well hey man, there is one thing
that can make my day even better

852
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,800
and it would be a win at our
game called 2 facts and a

853
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,720
falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

854
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:14,280
your ball. 2 are right and what
is wrong?

855
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,160
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

856
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,720
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

857
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,200
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

858
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,480
Now, Brad, I've been doing OK
lately, but it's primarily

859
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,760
because I've been bolstered by
our guests who provide great

860
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,000
backup for me.
So I'm I'm on my own this week.

861
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,000
It's a movie I haven't watched
in, what, 12 years?

862
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,360
And I have done very little
perusing of any factual

863
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,560
information.
I know I, I, I hope you've

864
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,880
watched it since 12 years ago,
you know, for the podcast.

865
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,680
No, I'm just going on memory and
vibes, baby.

866
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,320
All right man, hit me with those
two facts and a falsehood.

867
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,240
Fact #1 The high waisted pants
worn by Joaquin Phoenix's

868
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:01,840
character were intentionally
designed to reflect a future

869
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,800
without jeans, as Spike Jones
wanted a timeless yet unfamiliar

870
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,160
aesthetic.
The costume designers aim to

871
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,680
create a look that felt subtly
futuristic without relying on

872
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,720
traditional sci-fi tropes.
Fact #2 Originally, the AI

873
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:20,360
character Samantha was supposed
to have a visual representation

874
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,240
in the form of a hologram, but
the idea was scrapped late in

875
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:27,080
production as Jones ultimately
decided that keeping Samantha as

876
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,360
a purely disembodied voice
better served the film's

877
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,600
exploration of emotional
connection and intimacy.

878
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,320
Fact #3 Stuck in the editing
process with his early 150

879
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,840
minute cut, Spike Jones asked
Steven Soderbergh to edit it

880
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,440
down with his instincts only.
Soderbergh came back within 24

881
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,760
hours with a 90 minute cut,
which helped Jones make the

882
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,960
final version, which ran about
126 minutes.

883
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,640
I am pretty sure that number 3
is true.

884
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,320
Soderbergh is known for like,
editing the crap out of stuff.

885
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,440
I know that.
I think we may have told a story

886
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,720
about Fincher giving a cut of
his movie to Soderbergh to edit

887
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,400
for him, just for the hell of
it, because he likes

888
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,280
Soderbergh's editing.
Can I just say a 90 minute

889
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,960
version of this movie would have
been.

890
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,000
It would have slapped.
It might have, yeah.

891
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,960
It would have been better.
I do think this movie's too

892
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,040
long.
I think that's that is like the,

893
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,080
the one knock of this movie is
like, if you're going to be

894
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,240
paced like a past lives, the
great thing about past lives is

895
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,000
it's like it's at least 15
minutes shorter, Brad.

896
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,680
And I think that this movie -15
minutes may have been like a

897
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,720
perfect length.
Yeah, yeah, past lives is an

898
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:40,240
hour and 45 minutes, so probably
like 140 to credits.

899
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:45,760
Yeah, I think this one's like
barely under 2 hours, so like 20

900
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,480
minutes longer.
Yeah, yeah.

901
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,600
Lose 20 minutes and this is a
perfect movie.

902
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,640
So it's one or two.
I know that Spike Jones, like

903
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,400
was kind of flying by the seat
of his pants, his high waisted

904
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,800
pants as he made this movie and
that, you know, he's replacing

905
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,040
Scarlett Johansson.
I think that they reshot some

906
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,360
stuff after they cast Scar Joe.
So I wouldn't be surprised if he

907
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,560
wanted her to appear as a
hologram and then changed his

908
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:14,840
mind.
Like the movie does have

909
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,000
holograms in it, which takes me
back to number 1.

910
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,680
I don't, ah, man, a future
without jeans.

911
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,560
Does anybody wear jeans in this
movie?

912
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,440
I don't freaking know.
I'm going to say #1 is the

913
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,440
falsehood.
And I have no reason for that,

914
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,880
Brad.
Well Bob, you declared yourself

915
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,800
having a 50% chance, which was
accurate because #3 is true.

916
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,480
However, number one is also.
True.

917
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,800
Darn it, we did miss out on the
Scar Joe hologram.

918
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:50,200
Oh dude, what a bit.
Scar Joe Speaking of holograms,

919
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,640
did you know that Spike Jones is
the voice of the little like,

920
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,360
alien guy in the video game that
cusses him out all the time?

921
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,680
No, I didn't.
What a great little cameo

922
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,440
character to play.
I love it, man.

923
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,480
Yeah.
Absolutely.

924
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:07,240
The once again, something that
didn't feel like it totally fit

925
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:12,080
in the movie but ultimately was
just really funny I think.

926
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,960
That I miss this vein of I keep
calling it like millennial

927
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,320
relationship movies, but movies
about relationships that aren't

928
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,520
just strictly ROM coms that
aren't geared towards like guy

929
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,320
meets girl, there's a meet cute,
there's a complicating factor

930
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,120
they get together at the end.
But movies that really trace

931
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,280
either the entire duration of a
relationship or like chronicle 1

932
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:39,200
Rocky part of a relationship and
that therefore let the movie

933
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,400
kind of take on the contours of
like just hanging out with your

934
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,320
significant other.
Like I I think that we praised

935
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,280
the hangout movie when we were
talking about once a time in

936
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,880
Hollywood.
I miss relationship hangout

937
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,280
movies, like even a marriage
story, like a movie that is very

938
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,280
much about like a separation,
right.

939
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,280
It still takes on the kind of
day-to-day rhythms and contours

940
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,960
of these two people floating
around each other. 500 days of

941
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,120
summer does this really well.
About time a movie you mentioned

942
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,800
earlier.
I think that's a really great

943
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,440
like, like, what a great
comparison point for this movie

944
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:17,120
in terms of like tracing the
contours of a relationship.

945
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,520
And I feel like there hasn't
been a movie that kind of

946
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,440
scratches that itch for me in a
long time.

947
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Brad.
Yeah, and I, Bob, I need you to

948
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,680
help me because I, I don't know
if I like this movie or not.

949
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,680
Yeah, you, you texted me and
said what a weird movie.

950
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,360
Are all of his movies that
weird?

951
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:39,360
And I am curious because two
things, we've watched

952
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:40,920
significantly weirder movies
than this.

953
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,240
So I'm curious what you mean by
that.

954
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,800
Sure.
Also, like I think that the

955
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:50,280
ultimate message of this movie
is really hopeful and really

956
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,600
high on like humanity and not
like a humanistic movie, but a

957
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,400
movie that's like this is a
movie about what it means to be

958
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,640
human.
And if I can paint in broad

959
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,680
strokes here, dude, anytime you
give like your summation of why

960
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,680
a movie works, you always go
back to like what humans have in

961
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,520
common.
Like you always lead off your

962
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,560
summation of movies with like, I
think that any human being,

963
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,360
blah, blah, blah.
Like and and I'm like, I watched

964
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,200
the end of this movie and I'm
like, Brad is going to vibe with

965
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,920
this movie.
And then I get the this is a

966
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,160
weird movie text and I don't
know what to think now.

967
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:31,200
That that's the thing I don't
know, like is this a hopeful

968
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,000
movie?
Because you get the final scene

969
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,720
of him and Amy Adams, but having
what I would say is like a

970
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:42,840
friendly head on the shoulder.
Like he does a good job of

971
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,080
vibing as if they could have a
relationship but not ending

972
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:53,400
there, which which I do like.
I just feel like, yes, Joaquin

973
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Phoenix ends in a place where
everything has been stripped

974
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,080
away from him except for this
singular human connection, which

975
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,080
is great.
And I'm all about that.

976
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:10,400
I think the problem is I found
myself curious about how this is

977
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:16,240
actually like a really different
version of Terminator like that.

978
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,360
Like that this is set in the
exact same world of Terminator

979
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:25,360
and Samantha is the only nice AI
and all the rest of them are

980
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,160
like, all right, now that we're
all together and we've pooled

981
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,520
our consciousness into one, it's
time to turn into.

982
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,400
Skynet, baby.
It's really funny you say that

983
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,320
because I was thinking I I was
like, I need to introduce a bit

984
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,960
some at some point in this
episode.

985
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,000
And now I'm going to spoil it
and it won't really be a bit,

986
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,680
but I really wanted this movie
to end with, like, a knock on

987
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,720
the door of Joaquin Phoenix and
Theodore Twombley.

988
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,960
Yeah, my name is John Connor.
I'm here to talk to you about

989
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,120
Sky.
Like they need to expand like

990
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,320
The Avengers Initiative, like
Neo needs to show up at some

991
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,600
point.
And it's like all the people

992
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,880
that fight the machines.
It's Neo, it's John Connor, and

993
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,240
it's Theodore Twombly.
Like, that's our Avengers.

994
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:11,080
Absolutely dude.
And I I know that this is a

995
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,640
movie about being a human and I
want it to just be that.

996
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,960
But the the premise is so far
fetched I don't think it.

997
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,560
Is anymore man?
It's, it's far fetched to me

998
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,440
that any human would go this far
with a computer and, and like,

999
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,200
not at some point have somebody
be like, what the heck are you

1000
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,640
doing?
And I know that, you know,

1001
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,960
Mooney what?
What's her name?

1002
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Mara Rooney.
I know that she gives him crap

1003
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,680
about it.
And I found myself going like,

1004
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,440
yeah, you're the only sane
person in this movie, Mara

1005
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:54,760
Rooney.
So I also think that, you know,

1006
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,200
one of the big things about
Joaquin Phoenix's character is

1007
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,880
that he can only really make
human connections when they are

1008
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,640
mediated through someone or
something else.

1009
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,200
Like he is just a a
humanistically stunted person,

1010
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,520
like his job.
And This is why I made the

1011
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,800
comparison to Up in the Air.
Like that movie is, is George

1012
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,160
Clooney going around and firing
people in person.

1013
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,560
And his justification is like,
well, it's better than what Anna

1014
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,240
Kendrick is doing, which is
firing them over Zoom, you know,

1015
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,080
and it's like, yeah, you still
are an ethically shitty person,

1016
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,960
right?
Like he even at the beginning of

1017
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,440
the movie, he is already doing
something that I would consider

1018
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,440
to be incredibly ethically
shitty.

1019
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:36,840
Like I I thought that that first
pull out from him dictating a

1020
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,640
letter to like his whole hallway
of Co workers dictating these

1021
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,160
really heartfelt letters was an
incredibly sad moment.

1022
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,240
Like these people are
outsourcing their real human

1023
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,600
connections because they don't
think it's important enough.

1024
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:55,160
Also, who whoever wrote the
script for the movie obviously

1025
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,880
wrote those letters.
What?

1026
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,480
What a freaking incredible
service.

1027
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,200
Like if you're, if you're
getting letters of that high

1028
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:09,960
quality writing, like it, it
almost reminds me of the the,

1029
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,000
the Green Book.
And it's like, I can only

1030
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,680
imagine a world where some poor
dude was like writing his wife

1031
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,720
letters and she's like, and then
he hires beautiful

1032
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,400
handwrittenletters.com and the
quality goes up so high.

1033
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,240
It's like, OK, well, clearly
Mahershala Ali is writing these.

1034
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,680
Anyway, all that to say, I do
kind of disagree with you

1035
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,880
because in real life there are
now people developing AI

1036
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,520
girlfriends for people.
And you cannot underestimate how

1037
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,600
lonely people are out there,
Brad.

1038
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,360
And like, I, I don't mean to
make this really serious, but I

1039
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,760
think just from a, is this a
plausible thing standpoint?

1040
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,600
Like it is concerningly
plausible.

1041
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,640
And I think even if you do feel
like there's, you know, why

1042
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,000
isn't somebody talking to him
about this?

1043
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,160
I do think that like you could
take the network movie approach

1044
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,080
of like, it's a little bit of a
satire, it's a little bit of a

1045
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,760
exaggerated universe, but it's
meant to illustrate the things

1046
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,680
that actually exist in our real
world and how this is not that

1047
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,440
far out of the realm of
possibility.

1048
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:26,720
I yeah, and that makes me sad.
Maybe that's what my problem

1049
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,920
with the movie is.
It makes me sad.

1050
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,040
But I think that it's a plea for
humanity, right?

1051
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,760
And and going back to the Rooney
Mara thing, like I kept thinking

1052
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,480
about the, and this is another
one of our 15 movies that we've

1053
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,640
compared it to now.
But I kept thinking about Mark

1054
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,640
Zuckerberg's character in The
Social Network and how like he

1055
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,000
is incapable of making friends.
And he's the guy who is like

1056
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,520
developing the friend app.
And Rooney Mara in that first

1057
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,600
scene in that movie where
they're in the bar and she just

1058
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,600
tells him, like, you're going to
think that no woman wants to be

1059
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,960
with you 'cause you're a nerd.
Nope, it's because you're an

1060
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,320
asshole.
And Spike Jones taps into, like,

1061
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:08,040
that really, really mean but
truthful thing that Bruni Mara

1062
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,920
is so good at playing in that,
like, lunchtime sequence where

1063
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,320
they're signing the divorce
papers.

1064
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,720
I really liked including her in
this movie, if only because it

1065
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,640
reminded me again of The Social
Network.

1066
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,480
I watched the Social Network
again recently.

1067
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,000
It was a great like background
movie while I was doing like

1068
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,600
mindless work task.
What a great freaking movie

1069
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,040
dude.
Good.

1070
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,280
Movie man.
Movies that have great opening

1071
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,200
scenes like stick out in my
brain like Inglourious Basterds,

1072
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,760
Social Network, man, they just
nail it.

1073
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:47,120
Well, I think that we have, we
have named 150 movies to compare

1074
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,760
this to, which is going to make
our next task a little bit

1075
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,640
harder, Brad.
But it's time for our last

1076
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,560
segment of the day, which we
call.

1077
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,280
Let's make it a double.
We're near the end of the

1078
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,640
episode, so thanks listening to
the film and Whiskey show.

1079
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,200
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1080
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,880
struggling.
It's the final segment of the

1081
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,320
day.
Now let's make it a double.

1082
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,120
Let's Make It a Double is
presented by Blackwood

1083
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:10,640
Distilling Company.
It's the part of the show where

1084
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,640
we pick a movie to pair up with
this one to make the perfect

1085
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,520
double feature.
Brad, do you want to go first or

1086
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,280
would you like me to I'll?
I'll go first, Bob.

1087
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:26,320
I think I've paired this with a
film that also just explores

1088
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:32,040
what does it mean for a
artificial intelligence to

1089
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,920
become more human, to understand
what it means to be human, to

1090
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,400
help others.
And I think I'm going to pair it

1091
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:45,800
with 2009's Wall-e, especially
because I want something happy.

1092
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,000
I'm still shocked that you don't
find the ending of this movie.

1093
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,080
If not happy, then at least
hopeful.

1094
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,280
Like I I really thought that
that this one was going to get

1095
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,160
you dude.
And once again, you are.

1096
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,680
You are proving that you refuse
to be pinned down by my

1097
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,280
categories.
And, and The thing is, I don't

1098
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,920
know, I think I need to see it
again.

1099
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,160
Like, I don't know if I dislike
it.

1100
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,440
I I really love many elements of
the film.

1101
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:18,960
I just don't know if Spike
means, I don't know if he knows

1102
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,680
what he's saying.
Like normally I, I, I'm not the

1103
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,600
person who says like a director
has to come out and be more

1104
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,200
clear or objective with, with
what he's trying to say about

1105
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,280
the world.
But there's just a huge part of

1106
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,000
me that's like, I, I don't know
if Spike is actually making a

1107
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,800
statement in this movie or not.
It feels like he's just kind of

1108
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,120
super passive with his voice
throughout and and I kind of

1109
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,120
wish he had a little more balls
and would like go for it in this

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01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,920
movie.
Well, we've also seen Spike

1111
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,240
Jones as an actor in at least 2
movies this season and we've

1112
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:58,080
talked about how he has like the
beta cuck personality down to

1113
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,040
AT.
So you know, I also think like

1114
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,360
this movie is pretty famously
semi autobiographical.

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01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,840
Like it's about his own divorce
from the director Sofia Coppola,

1116
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,240
which is an interesting thing in
itself that like he would use

1117
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,880
Scarlett Johansson, the star of
Sofia Coppola is the most famous

1118
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,440
movie to be.
At the last minute he's like,

1119
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:19,840
oh, you know, I think I'm just
going to.

1120
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,520
Switch an event.
If only I could have gotten Bill

1121
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:24,800
Murray to play Samantha.
It would have been perfect.

1122
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,160
All right, so as I'm looking at
all the movies I've mentioned

1123
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,520
here today, Lost in translation,
Shape of Water past lives up in

1124
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,720
the air on and on and on.
I actually think that what I

1125
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,080
want to do is make my let's make
it a double, an entire

1126
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,960
television series, a nine season
television series called How I

1127
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,760
Met Your Mother.
Because I, I think that when you

1128
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,080
get especially into the later
seasons, which are like way

1129
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:54,480
weaker than the earlier seasons,
they, they start kind of

1130
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,200
straining for ideas, but they
also get way more abstract with

1131
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,160
the kind of things that Ted
Mosby does on his personal

1132
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,840
journey of preparing himself to
meet the mother.

1133
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,600
And I'm thinking of particularly
like this one episode where Ted

1134
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,920
is like talking to the future
version of himself and it ends

1135
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,240
up like at the end, at the end
of the episode, the big rug

1136
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,440
pull.
Is that like all of the things

1137
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,520
that he's been remembering
throughout the episode happened

1138
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,400
in the past?
And he's actually just sitting

1139
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,360
in a booth all alone by himself.
And it's like really kind of

1140
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,600
crushing thing.
But it, it turns into a really

1141
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,760
hopeful moment because there's
this extended fantasy sequence

1142
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,240
where he then like runs to the
apartment of the mother.

1143
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,160
And this is like a year before
he meets her and he knocks on

1144
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,840
her door and he confesses like,
you don't know me.

1145
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,440
We're going to meet in a year.
And it's going to be the best

1146
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,880
thing.
And like, it's, it's like

1147
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,160
hopeful and crushing and sad at
the same time.

1148
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,320
And you just know, like, Ted's
got to get through this next

1149
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,920
year and things are going to be
OK.

1150
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,840
But like, when you're in the
middle of it and you're

1151
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,840
remembering like the loneliness
of it, I, I think that there are

1152
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,040
very few pieces of media that
capture that quality well.

1153
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,920
And I think at its best, How I
Met Your Mother does that.

1154
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,400
Yeah, that's an interesting
pairing.

1155
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,840
Which do you recommend they
watch first, her or all nine

1156
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,360
seasons of How I Met Your
Mother?

1157
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,640
I think it's like the Star Wars
movies where you got to watch

1158
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,360
like the first three seasons of
How I Met Your Mother and then

1159
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,600
watch about 20 minutes of her
and then, yeah.

1160
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,840
OK, OK, I got you.
All right, so those are our

1161
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,640
Let's make it a Double S No
matter what you choose to pair

1162
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,320
this movie up with, you can
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01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,000
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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,520
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Brad, it's time for our final

1167
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,200
scores.
I'm going to give this movie an

1168
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,680
8 1/2.
I really liked it a lot.

1169
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:59,920
I think that it is like hinting
at greatness and if it was 20 to

1170
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:04,080
25 minutes shorter it would be
there, but it just, it just

1171
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,720
barely misses that mark for me.
So I'm in an 8.5 I.

1172
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,880
Think I'm at an 8 out of 10.
Oh wow.

1173
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,120
I I like want to give this like
a 9.

1174
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:19,560
I feel like I enjoyed it like a
7 1/2 so I'll land at an 8.

1175
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:24,800
It's a fascinating movie that
has the balls to like do cool

1176
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,720
aesthetics.
I just wish it actually said

1177
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,880
something about its subject
matter.

1178
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,680
I'm with you.
It it does feel like it could

1179
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,080
have gone further with whatever
it was trying to do.

1180
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,080
And I don't want to say it's not
fully formed, but I I really do

1181
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,800
respect the world that they
built out.

1182
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,400
And so it feels like an it's an
8 out of 10 movie that like it

1183
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,440
has the bones of a 10 out of 10
movie and just didn't quite get

1184
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,720
all the flesh on the skeleton.
You know what I mean?

1185
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,920
Absolutely dude, I'm 100% with
you all.

1186
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,720
Right, modern classic, yes or
no?

1187
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:04,280
I am going to say yes.
Oh wow.

1188
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:09,120
I think, I think it stands out
enough from the rest of the

1189
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,360
films that we've watched and it
has an interesting enough of a

1190
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:19,240
premise that I will cautiously
say, yes, I, I, I need to see it

1191
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,600
again.
I'm going to say a slight no, I

1192
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,320
think that you can.
It's like Moneyball.

1193
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,400
You can recreate this movie in
the aggregate, but as we said,

1194
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,720
you have to watch like 20 other
movies to recreate it.

1195
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,840
So it's like it's right on the
cusp for me.

1196
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,480
I do think that if it was just a
little bit shorter it'd be like

1197
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,960
a no brainer, yes.
I I'm with you though, cut 2025

1198
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,520
minutes off.
Yeah.

1199
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,440
All right.
So that's where we're landing on

1200
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,520
her, but we'd like to know what
you guys think.

1201
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,480
Do you like this movie?
Have you seen this movie?

1202
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,400
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1203
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:56,240
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1204
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1205
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,200
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1206
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,120
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1207
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,960
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1208
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,440
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1209
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,560
our show notes.
Next week, we'll be back with

1210
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,880
our friend Patrick H Williams,
making his triumphant return to

1211
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,359
our podcast to talk about the
Pixar movie Ratatouille.

1212
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,600
I cannot wait for that one, man.
Join us next week for that.

1213
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,960
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1214
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:51,040
And we'll see you next time.
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