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In 1995 director, Michael Mann

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and stars, Pacino and De Niro,
gave the world.

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A tense crime Thriller that pits
two men who will stop at nothing

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to do their jobs in 2023.
We take a return trip to the

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Highland.
Region of Scotland to try one of

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our favorite Brands.
The film is heat, the whiskey is

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Glenmorangie.
A star war view them both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast, where each week, we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.
And this week, we are continuing

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our series of Michael Mann films
with his 1995.

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Masterpiece, heat, Brad.
Getting hot.

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It's getting hot in here.
Bob, first point of order about

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the movie Heat.
How great is it that you have a

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movie that the whole title is
just heat, and it's the best

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title of a movie ever.
Like, what an IT awesome name

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for a movie, it just totally
fits.

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Yeah, they use the title in the
movie like maybe two or three

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times to many, but it works
because it's Pacino and De Niro.

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It's just so good, man.
Brad.

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I want to very quickly, give a
little bit of history on me and

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the movie Heat.
We talked a little bit about

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Michael Mann, guys.
Like go out a little bit and hi

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sweetie.
Yeah, we had a dalliance there

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for a minute.
Okay.

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We talked a little bit last week
about my checkered past with the

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director, Michael Mann, and it
kind of started about a year ago

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when I finally got around to
watching heat.

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It had been like number one on
my to watch list for a long,

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long time.
And I was kind of wondering if I

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should just put it on the on the
list for the podcast before I

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see it.
And eventually, I just caved.

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I'd seen too many things that
said, oh, this is one of the 100

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best movies ever made and if you
haven't seen this movie, you're

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missing out and I was like, well
I don't want to miss out.

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So I watched and I got to say it
was like a seven and a half for

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me at that time.
I just thought this it's a

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really long movie Brad.
It's like two hours and 50

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minutes long and I'm sure we'll
discuss that point.

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But how long was it was
collateral?

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Oh I don't know.
Just under two it was like yeah

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2005 somewhere in there.
See I feel like this might be a

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hot take haha take heat.
I feel like Michael Mann would

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be a great 90-minute director.
Mmm like if he could Master the

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90-minute film, that we often
talked about as some of the

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greatest films ever created.
I just I think his movies would

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be killer if they were just a
lot tighter.

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Yeah.
So that was what really stuck

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out to me.
The first time I watched it and

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I was not really looking forward
to watching this movie again

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because I never liked being the
guy that comes across.

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Like I have a hot take like
Everyone likes this movie and

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Bob doesn't and I have to say
watching it this time.

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I started watching it at like
11:00 p.m. one night like an

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idiot and I made it 50 minutes
in and I was like all right I

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got to go to bed.
I press pause at the 15-minute

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Mark.
Went to bed.

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Watched it the next day and it
flowed like gangbusters.

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It was incredible.
It was like I watched an hour of

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prologue and then I treated that
built the second two hours, as

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if it was a different movie.
And this movie Works beautifully

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that way.
I couldn't believe it.

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Dude, like my score on this
movie is going to go up

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exponentially.
Here's a question for you.

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Do you think?
Like like there's part of me

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that feels like your score
shouldn't be valid here because

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I feel like Michael Mann would
be angry with you if you didn't

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just watch his movie 100%.
Yeah.

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Okay.
Okay.

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Alright.
With that out of the way, I mean

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my scores my score I don't
really care.

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No without a with that out of
the way I agree with you 100%.

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I watched I watched it all on
the same day but I literally cut

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it in half.
I I watched an hour and 25

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minutes of it while my Daughter
was napping and then finish the

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hour and 25 minutes later and I
remember pausing it and being

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like, Oh my God, I'm only have
like, literally halfway through.

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This is kind of bit a little bit
of torture but around that our

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30, Mark the movie Just picks up
and has some legs and it just

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gets so much better as it goes
on the first hour or so, 60, 70

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minutes is just like a prologue
that keeps going on and on and

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on That's a funny thing though.
Is that even though it's very

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slow-paced in that first hour or
so, I don't know that.

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I would say that it drags it's
just, it's all.

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It's almost like a completely
separate movie.

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It's a very meditative and
necessary set up to who these

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characters are.
And then in that, final two

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hours is most of the action and
the suspense and the tension

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ratchets up and it moves like
gangbusters.

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But that first hour really feels
like it comes from.

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I don't want to say comes from a
different movie because there,

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Definitely of all of a piece but
it's like, if they released the

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first the first hour, as a
television episode that you had

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to watch before you went to the
theater to see the second two

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hours.
I would almost say it like oh,

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that makes sense, you know.
Yeah no yeah it totally does.

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I will say if I had to describe
like the theme of this movie I

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would just say this the very
first Grand Theft Auto came out

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in 1997 and I'm pretty sure that
every iteration of that that

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Gaming franchise has been trying
to more perfectly.

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Perfect, what happened in the
movie?

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He absolutely.
Yeah, like we're gonna like the

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movie is just GTA on a movie
screen and we're going to get

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into talking about the very long
legs that this movie has had and

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the shadow that is cast over
this genre of movie.

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It's a super influential film.
And I think that's part of why

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it's held in such high esteem
today, but before we get into

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all that Brad, let's take a step
back here.

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Let's talk about the fact that
this was your first time seeing

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the movie Heat and that gives us
a wonderful opportunity to move

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into Brad.
Explains the part of the

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podcast.
Were Brad breaks down the plot

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of the film that he has just
seen often for the first time

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Brad.
I'm going to put 60 seconds on

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the clock here.
Can you break down the plot of

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heat in one minute or less?
All right, De Niro and Kilmer

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are are bad guys.
And Pacino is a good guy and

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Kilmer doesn't really That much.
He's just kind of a henchman to

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De Niro and he's married Ashley.
Judd, Deniro's, not married to

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anybody because he's got to
leave anything in 30 seconds

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flat.
If he feels the heat around the

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corner, Pacino, is the heat.
He's a police officer, he's on

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his third marriage, his
stepdaughter is depressed, and

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he is charged with figuring out.
What the heck is going on with

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De Niro and all the money he's
stealing.

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And so they they track each
other and they they games with

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each other and they have coffee
together the one time, and then

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DeNiro and his crew, steal money
from a bank.

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And then they shoot everybody
and everything.

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And, and one of the guy gets
killed and Val Kilmer gets away,

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and De Niro gets away. 10
second, here goes to kill the

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guy who betrayed him and Val.
Kilmer runs off and Ashley,

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Judd, saves him from the cops
and Pacino shoots De Niro, and

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he's dead.
Boom, the end heat.

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Oh, by the way, did we mention
that these, these, These are

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spoiler filled episodes on film
and beside ya.

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Do I, there was no spoilers
there Bobbo.

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No, no.
All right, man.

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I guess I want to start by
saying this last week with

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collateral.
I kind of went in on how obvious

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the metaphors were and how I
hated how much the characters

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That explicitly say their
internal motivations and I

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thought it was a little too on
the nose and I was really

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worried that like well if that
was on the knows what's Heat

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going to be like and I have to
say the first thing that

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impressed me about this movie is
that the script is sophisticated

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enough that you know it's not
like it's the most subtle thing

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in the world but they're not
coming out and saying

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explicitly.
Like this is my issue and this

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is why I can't connect with
human beings and this is blah

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blah blah.
Like it's always.

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Veiled in short little phrases
and then you see behind their

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eyes, the realization of, you
know, the toll that it's taken

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to be this dedicated to their
craft.

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So I mean the first point in its
column for me is that this is

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just a much more.
I guess I'd call it subtle.

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Portrayal of what collateral was
trying to do.

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Yeah, I mean I think that the
thing that you have going for

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this movie that collateral
doesn't is that a collateral has

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Tom Cruise in his first-ever
villain role and maybe only

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villain role and be Jamie.
Foxx's is a great actor but he's

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still a little bit up and coming
in that I think that in he you

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have the prototypical mobster /
police officer in Pacino and De

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Niro just at like the peak of
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They're not too old where
they're kind of just relying on

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what they've always done, but
they have so much experience

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that they elevate this movie to
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movie itself.
I don't know if it totally

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deserves it, but they are
incredible in this film.

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Yeah, they really are and you've
got Pacino.

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I guess.
Let's do this.

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Let's start talking about the
performances because I have

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many, many thoughts on both of
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Pacino is in full Pacino mode
throughout most of this movie

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and And it's been really funny
to watch him.

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Talk about this character after
the fact, because he talks about

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how apparently, you know, it was
part of the character that

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Vincent Hanna was on a lot of
coke and it was like, you don't

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say, you know what I mean, but
then, that was kind of cut out

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of the Final Cut of the movie.
And so he just looks like he's

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on Coke but you don't actually
see it doing coke.

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It was cut.
Yeah, there it is.

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I really struggled with Pacino
as an actor and that's not to

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say that he's not incredible and
Electric in this movie but When

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you watch him in The Godfather
and The Godfather to and even to

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some extent like Dog Day
Afternoon, where he has these

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moments where he blows up.
But then that's a very internal

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performance.
By the time you get past

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Scarface in 83 Pacino Embraces
the Pacino nests of himself and

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becomes kind of like a an
outsized version of himself and

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he never goes back and like like
post Scarface Pacino is just a

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different person than pre
Scarface Pacino and In this

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movie, like, you know, it's been
mocked to death when he slapped

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his hand on the table and
started screaming and getting, I

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got, give me I got and then the
scene where he has Hank Azaria,

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cornered and he's just talking
about, she's got a great ass.

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Like it's, it's like why did you
do those line readings?

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That way, I'll Pacino.
I don't understand, like, what

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are we going for here?
She's got a great ass was a, was

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a ad-lib line.
You don't say that up?

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Yeah, who would have thought,
but I say all that to say this

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when you get to that coffee shop
scene at the 1 hour and 30

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minute Mark everything stands
still and you can tell that the

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actors in that scene have so
much respect for each other and

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Pacheco is really truly bringing
his a game and it is such a

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beautiful example of watching
people react to each other

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rather than trying to out act
one another.

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And it's honestly the best I
would say like, after 1980.

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It might be my favorite moment
of Al Pacino acting ever.

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It's so good.
Brad.

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Yeah, it's an incredible scene.
I think that, for me was

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incredible.
And I think when you pair that

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those moments, he has with De
Niro with him, saving his

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stepdaughter in a, in a terribly
brutal scene to watch.

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Kinda it was kind of like out of
left field for me.

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It was like.
Wait, what's going on?

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Did somebody like come in and
try to kill his stepdaughter?

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has trying to save her and then
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room with his wife soon-to-be
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I just thought that he brought a
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he was little bit missing the
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that De Niro Has always been a
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to convey interiority.
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he's a guy that doesn't have
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what's inside that person.
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specific way in Taxi Driver.
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way, in Raging Bull, and now
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iteration of that here.
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my favorite DeNiro performances.
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It sneaks up on you.
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I think it's a great
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but there's a lot of anger
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That's like just boiling under
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character and a confidence that
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Thief.
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That He doesn't break under any
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character and I'll be honest
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De Niro as one of the greatest
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Yeah, he is, he is on another
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ever seen Bob.
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know, he's it's another one of
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figures out that he can do a
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Niro, doing that DeNiro face,
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do a DeNiro impression, and it's
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impression of De Niro and is
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doing the most outsized version
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think Robert De Niro's like and
then you watch him in a movie

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like taxi driver, I really am.
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driver and Raging Bull
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physical transformation is one
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180 differences between those
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them both so perfectly that you
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people and not as De Niro
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most Versatile actors we've ever
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enough credit for that
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Yeah, I mean, when he's sitting
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with Pacino and he just the wit
when Pacino, basically calls him

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a, to B, you know, gangster.
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with such derision and is like,
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liquor stores?
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Like he delivers that line with
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Well, that like, I almost had to
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I was like, oh damn, like like
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it takes you through like the
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Length - of those two guys and
how very quickly De Niro, just

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kind of sets the table that he
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He says, I do what I do best.
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You do what you do best trying
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starts him off on this.
This mutual respect to the Point

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where there's this really great
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know, they talk about Pacino
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freak Show.
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vulnerable moment where this is
the only guy Pacino can confess

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this to because he's talking to
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know what my life, either?
My life is a freak Show and and

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then he says but there's really
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But you know, DeNiro says me
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of a grin between both of them
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This is what we are destined to
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Whether it's good or bad,
whether we're going to destroy

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our lives in the process.
There's nothing else for us and

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there's a respect.
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moment, it's like this.
Resolved comes over both of them

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where they're like, hey, I just
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to kill you if it comes to that
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the same thing and then it's
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See you later?
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like it almost Most like sends
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see the the commitment of both
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have to do.
It's so well played.

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Yeah, I mean, truly one of the
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time, I'm realizing.
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though, greatest time students
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internet, has the editing
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Another of the greatest dining
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I want them to somehow create a
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Heat with the diner scene from
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have like Pacino and De Niro are
trying to have this

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conversation, but the all they
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Ryan moaning.
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just cut to the diner scene from
Pulp Fiction and everyone's

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pointing guns at each other.
Yes, that is all I want out of

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the internet today.
That's great.

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All right.
Where do you want to go from

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here?
Brad.

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I'm going to keep talking about
the rest of the cast.

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Is there something in the movie
specifically that you want to

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dive in on a little bit?
I mean, can we agree that John,

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Floyd has the worst hair and
makeup team of all time, they

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really tried to do something
with him here and I don't know

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what that was off that void.
I thought that voice is fine.

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I think he I think I honestly
think Jon Voight is a great

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Handler roll, you know what I
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Like for criminals or for spies
or whatever.

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Like I think he's great for that
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But they did the man dirty with
hair and makeup.

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Jon Voight is only I think five
for five years older than De

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Niro.
There's like a four-year

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different separating, like
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again.
And it's just, it's really funny

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to see how they try to make some
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others in this movie.
Dinero for what it's worth.

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You know, we tell you had this
conversation with Sylvester,

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Stallone in Rocky, Ford and
talked about how that was

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probably the best-looking
Sylvester Stallone has ever

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been, dude.
The beard Nero in this movie

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might be the most attractive
version of De Niro.

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Yeah.
Easily.

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He's cutting that George Clooney
phase of like he's starting to

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Grey but he's not you know, in
his 70s yet and he like he looks

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good man.
He sure does good-looking dude.

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Once again, you have the return
of the gray suit which we had

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last week with Vincent in
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again, I would say that it's a
very on the nose kind of

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metaphor for the fact that this
is a bad guy.

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But he's our protagonist and He
operates in Shades of Gray

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because he is a thief but that's
a movie about honor among

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Thieves and it's so like I don't
love the metaphor but I really

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like the costuming and I think
that it suits De Niro a lot

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better than it suited the fake
wig version of Tom Cruise last

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week dude, I'm telling you.
If they don't dye his hair grey,

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I think Tom Cruise looks
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It's over too big though.
That's not even died.

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Like it's very obviously a wig,
right?

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I don't know, man.
I feel like it was died.

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I could be run ever.
They did.

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It doesn't look good.
It wasn't, it doesn't work.

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It does work on De Niro though
because he had gray hair in it,

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it just worked for him.
I'm curious what you think about

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Val Kilmer in this Val, Kilmer's
an interesting actor.

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I've never been convinced that
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him in a lot of lead roles to,
you know, he very famously,

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played Jim Morrison, and the
doors and he gave his all to

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that role.
It was a really great

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performance, but I've always
just kind of found Val, Kilmer

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to be trying really hard in
everything he does.

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And I get that a little bit
here, but I really love that

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they've made him like the strung
out.

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I don't wanna call him a Chunky
because you don't really see him

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actually doing drugs.
But strung out in debt Gambler

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trying to hold his life together
and I think he does a really

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beautiful job of playing the
nuances of that character, that

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the script gives him because his
character isn't a lot of ways,

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the opposite of De Niro's
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He has too many attachments.
But where De Niro looks at him

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as like, what the hell are you
doing?

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You can you're not supposed to
have any attachments Kilmer's?

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Like listen, man, I like I'm
okay.

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Making my bed and sleeping in
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I'm not going to live a life
where I'm alone all the time and

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I like having a wife and a
child.

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And if you're asking me to leave
my wife in 30 seconds to avoid

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going to jail like that's not
worth it to me and I really

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think that he does a good job
with that.

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Also ironically he's the only
one who makes it away.

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Yeah yeah.
And he has to leave his wife in

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the process of De Niro's right
all along.

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That's the great irony of it.
Mmm no I for the longest time

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have I've never once thought
that Val Kilmer was a good actor

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until I watched heat.
Mmm, like watching heat.

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I was like really Blown Away
now, the bar was really low, so

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it's not like I'm saying, he's
like an A-Plus performance here.

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But like dude, turns in a really
solid performance next to two

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incredible performances from
near and Pacino, and like, it

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has like, I don't know if this
is facetious, this are not, but

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like he deserved to have his
name on the title.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, like to have his name on

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the top of the movie.
I thought he carried his weight

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incredibly well, here alongside
a wonderful performance from

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Ashley Judd.
Now, you and I were talking

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about this right before we hit
record, but it's worth

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repeating. 1995 Ashley, Judd
with bleached hair looked

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remarkably similar to Young
Charlize Theron and how they

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used to make her up in early
movies where she was stuck

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playing apples wives and
girlfriends.

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Like it's I legit thought.
Thought it was Charlie's and

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then I heard her talk and I was
like, wait a second that's not

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Charlize and I had to look it
up.

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Yeah, I mean it's you know, I
think that is also indicative of

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like they made everybody look
exactly the same, which really

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sucks.
But but yeah, man.

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Like a BLT, buddy, you mean
that's how they treated women in

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the night.
Exactly, exactly.

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Yeah.
It really caught me off guard

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for sure.
All right.

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So that's that's our actors.
I think that the action scenes

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in this suffer from a similar
problem that they did in

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collateral.
Interesting because I found this

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to have a lot better geography
then like like establishment of

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the geography than collateral
did.

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And in particular does thinking
of like you know The Big Heist

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scene does a great job of laying
out the interior of that bank

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and then what the street looks
like outside.

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And then when it spills over
into that kind of plaza where

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Tom Sizemore gets shot, you have
a really good sense of where

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everyone is at all times.
I thought that stretch was

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00:24:33,100 --> 00:24:37,200
pretty phenomenally done as well
as the the The opening heist

445
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,500
with the, the armed armored car
like I thought that was really

446
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:42,800
well done to.
I think I like the armored car

447
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,600
Heist better because it goes by
a little quicker.

448
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,700
Hmm, I think what I'm thinking
of is once you know De Niro and

449
00:24:50,700 --> 00:24:56,000
Kilmer and Sizemore make it
outside and their car has

450
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,100
crashed and they're like
advancing with their, you know,

451
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,300
assault rifles against the
police officers.

452
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,700
There's a certain point of the
action or I'm like, oh, I've

453
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:12,400
seen the same sequence of shots
like six times in a row now,

454
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:16,400
like one of them will move up
and shoot at the police lineup.

455
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,100
Police cars, the other one will
run forward, while the other

456
00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,300
ones shooting at the police cars
and then turn around and shoot

457
00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:24,200
it.
The guys behind them, then we'll

458
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,800
get a shot of the police
officers at the police line will

459
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,000
get a shot of the detectives
police officers following them

460
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,900
from behind, and then we'll go
back and we'll show them

461
00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:35,000
shooting at the police line
again and somebody advancing.

462
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:38,300
And he literally did that like,
six times in a row now.

463
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,300
Is it effective are there a lot
of bullets flying?

464
00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:45,000
I mean, yes, there's thousands
of bullets being shot, but

465
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,900
there's a certain point where I
was like, oh, this is the exact

466
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,600
same problem I had with the club
scene and Clanton like like he's

467
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,500
not raising the tension, he's
not raising the stakes.

468
00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:58,800
It's just kind of the same
action scenes over and over

469
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,800
again for a solid three or four
minutes until they finally kind

470
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,600
of split off and, you know,
somebody gets shot and He's

471
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,100
helping helping Val Kilmer off
and the other dude is picking up

472
00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,800
a child and and it changes and
it's great action.

473
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,000
And I thought they did an
incredible job with it.

474
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:17,500
But there's a few moments like
that throughout the movie where

475
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:21,300
I'm like, man, he just needs to
tighten it up a little bit and

476
00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:24,200
stopped just relying on the same
shots over and over and over

477
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,100
again.
I'm going to disagree with you

478
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,200
but only because of where that
scene comes in the course of the

479
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,100
movie.
There's been two hours almost of

480
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:35,200
build up to that moment like
they've been planning.

481
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,900
That particular Heist for
probably an hour and 15 minutes

482
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,200
and building the team.
And and understanding that

483
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,500
they've already got the heat on
them and trying to figure out

484
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:47,900
what's going on with this
waingro guy that betrayed them

485
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,500
in the first thing.
And so there's this paranoia,

486
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:54,300
that sets in and this sense of
like this is doomed from the

487
00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:57,200
start, like you just know this
is not going to go well, for any

488
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,300
of them.
And so you're waiting on it to

489
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:03,900
fall apart and I think having
them get trapped between, you

490
00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:08,300
know, the to Grunts the opposing
lines of police that are

491
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:11,800
shooting at them.
That sort of like incremental

492
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:14,500
movement, they're trying to make
to escape.

493
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,100
I really did feel the tension
there because you come to care

494
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:21,500
for all three of those main
people in that that gang as well

495
00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:24,300
as for Dennis Haysbert, the poor
guy who just gets roped into

496
00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:30,000
being their getaway driver.
And so like with each successive

497
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,800
attempt to like gain half a
block, I think you really do,

498
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,200
understand, there's no way
they're getting out.

499
00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:37,700
Of this like this is not going
to end well at all and so, it

500
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,800
takes on a more, tragic tone.
Where's the one in collateral

501
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,000
was?
Like, you didn't even know you

502
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,400
were going to that nightclub
until a minute before it

503
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,800
happened, because Tom Cruise is
playing everything real close to

504
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,700
the chest and not you know, not
revealing where they're going or

505
00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:54,200
what number.
This is on his list of who to

506
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,500
kill or whatever.
So it's like it was that was a

507
00:27:56,508 --> 00:27:59,100
cool scene but I was with you
more on that one than I am on

508
00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:02,000
this one.
Can I just say that?

509
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,200
You said it was Dennis Haysbert.
Yeah.

510
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,200
You know how like movies?
They'll have like a second

511
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,500
director that will shoot.
You know, others Yashin, scenes

512
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,700
and stuff.
I'm pretty sure that they hired

513
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:18,000
the Coen Brothers to shoot his
part of the movie because he

514
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:25,600
just has the most sad and like
nihilistic archive ever seen for

515
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,300
a character like, he's like,
getting out of jail, he's trying

516
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,300
to make his life, right?
And then this This, you know,

517
00:28:30,300 --> 00:28:33,900
this kitchen managers just said
a jerk to him and put him down,

518
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:36,800
he gets a chance to make a
little money and get back into

519
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,300
the action and he just dies.
Like there's no there's no

520
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:43,800
celebration of his life.
There's nothing.

521
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,100
He's just meaningless and
everything is meaningless for

522
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:51,100
him and I just thought that that
was probably the saddest part of

523
00:28:51,108 --> 00:28:53,500
the whole movie because I really
liked him a lot.

524
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:56,500
It's so funny to, like, have an
association with an actor and

525
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:59,300
then go back and see their prior
work because my first exposure

526
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:03,400
to him was I don't know if you
ever watched the TV show 24 when

527
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,900
that was like a big thing but he
was the president on 24 and 0.

528
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:11,000
And so like I've always had this
this image of him as like he's

529
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,700
this, you know, Dapper
upstanding citizen and then he

530
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:17,800
becomes the Allstate guy.
And so like, you know, I'm like,

531
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,500
oh, it's the Allstate guy.
I need to know that he's like,

532
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:22,900
in a kitchen being like, fuck,
you like, oh, yeah.

533
00:29:22,908 --> 00:29:24,400
Allstate guy.
What the hell.

534
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,300
So that was a really other
really jarring thing.

535
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,700
And speaking of jarring thing,
Things Brad.

536
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,500
If there is one element of this
movie that I do not think works

537
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:36,700
very well.
I guess there's two things but

538
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:38,000
they're kind of related to each
other.

539
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,200
It all has to do with this
character of waingro, the guy

540
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,400
that betrays the gang and like,
screws everything up in the

541
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,900
first Heist, because he's just a
sadistic guy and just kills

542
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:53,300
people for sport basically.
And then he kind of, sells them

543
00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:54,600
out and starts working with the
cops.

544
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,400
And with these, like these other
guys that got their money stolen

545
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,300
in the beginning, like these
high-powered, Powered criminals.

546
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,400
The character of waingro just
does not work for me.

547
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,700
Brad.
I don't think they needed to

548
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:07,700
make him be like a serial
killer.

549
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,900
In addition to being like a
sadistic bank robber like

550
00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:14,900
there's this whole subplot
that's kind of kind of like

551
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:18,000
Buffalo Bill in Silence of the
Lambs a little bit.

552
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:19,200
Mmm.
Yeah.

553
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,100
And it doesn't make any sense
and it doesn't belong in this

554
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:25,100
movie and it doesn't really
Advance the plot or teach you

555
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:28,400
anything more that you needed to
know other than this guy's just

556
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,700
sadistic I just don't know that
you needed any of that.

557
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,900
Yeah, no he easily could have
had his opening scene with the,

558
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:40,100
you know, the armored car
robbery gotten almost killed by

559
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:43,600
De Niro, and then that's it.
Like, that's all the motivation

560
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,400
he needs to screw over these
guys, but I think that they were

561
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,900
trying to bridge.
The gap of like waingro is the

562
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:55,000
thing that gets them connected
to De Niro and the rest of the

563
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,700
crew.
And so he had to do something to

564
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,900
draw them in.
And so that something was To

565
00:30:59,900 --> 00:31:01,900
kill a bunch of prostitutes, I
guess.

566
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:04,400
Yeah.
So it's like it but it feels

567
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,300
very contrived.
Like, yeah, it just, it feels

568
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:10,400
like they could have picked him
up for some sort of simple

569
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,600
crime.
And then he's like, hey instead

570
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,200
of putting me in jail, I could
give you Macaulay.

571
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000
He's the guy that's stealing all
the money right guy.

572
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,100
I don't know.
It could, it could have been a

573
00:31:20,100 --> 00:31:21,800
lot simpler.
Yeah.

574
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,600
And then going along with that
they keep they keep giving

575
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,500
characters dialogue when they
have to describe guys as a hot

576
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,000
dog.
And I'm like, what is this

577
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,800
dialogue?
Because, like, I know, Michael

578
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,000
Mann, finished writing the
script in like 1979, but even in

579
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,600
1979, I feel like people would
read that and be like, what is

580
00:31:40,608 --> 00:31:42,400
this from the 30s?
Like, what?

581
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,600
Like, there's a moment where the
prostitute looks at waingro and

582
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,200
she's like, you're a real hot
dog.

583
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,200
And not like, was this supposed
to pass for like effective and

584
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:59,100
realistic prostitute dialogue in
1995 because I'm pretty sure

585
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:01,700
that this would only Only work
in like a Looney Tunes cartoon

586
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:04,000
Bob.
I don't know how much time you

587
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:09,300
spent with prostitutes in 1995.
That's the lingo, my friends

588
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:11,800
right behind closed doors.
Everyone knows that their lady

589
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,200
calls them, a real hot, dog.
You're a real hot dog.

590
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:19,800
They're saying, she just takes
off a mask and reveals that

591
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:25,200
she's actually Edward G Robinson
underneath chompin on a cigar.

592
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,600
Oh man.
Bob, I need to drink some

593
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:32,200
Scotch, if I'm going to keep
talking about Edward, G

594
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:38,200
Robinson, let's do it, man.
Oh, there you gate gate is, it's

595
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,400
me, George, be stagger back
again to Delight your ears.

596
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,700
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597
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598
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599
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600
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601
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602
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603
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,200
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604
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605
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,700
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606
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:13,700
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607
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,300
We've got a nice Kentucky hug to
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608
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:18,500
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609
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:21,500
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610
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,900
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611
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612
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613
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614
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,200
Alright, so today we are
checking out the Glenmorangie a

615
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,700
star.
This is a really, really

616
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:48,900
interesting bottle Brad because
I picked this up in the state of

617
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:51,600
Ohio when they stopped carrying
it here.

618
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:53,800
It was on their last call
shelves.

619
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,500
And so it got knocked down a
little bit.

620
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,900
I think it's a usually around a
hundred dollar bottle.

621
00:33:57,900 --> 00:34:01,400
This is a one of the fancier
bottles from the Glenmorangie

622
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,300
line.
It's aged only in Bourbon casks.

623
00:34:04,300 --> 00:34:08,199
It's non chill filtered and They
bottle it at fifty two point

624
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,699
five percent ABV or 105 proof.
So it's a higher proof offering

625
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:15,300
from Glenmorangie.
Brad.

626
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,100
We, you know, we've sung the
Praises of Glenmorangie for

627
00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:21,600
years on this podcast, but for
the most part, we try to stick

628
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,199
with their like 50 to 60 dollar
range of stuff.

629
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,100
We tried the the cad bowl of
state.

630
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:31,400
That's usually a little bit
pricier and we tried the 18 year

631
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,100
which is like 120 bucks and that
was phenomenal.

632
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,100
So I'm really expecting great
things.

633
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:39,800
For this a star.
Yeah, I mean it's it's Barrel

634
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,699
proof is in X bourbon barrels,
I'm really excited for it, man.

635
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:47,500
All right, man, let's just Dive
Right In.

636
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:51,400
I'll spoil things a little bit.
I sip this before we got on

637
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,100
tonight and I might be in love
with this question.

638
00:34:55,100 --> 00:35:00,100
Mark on the nose, like the very
first thing I got was apple

639
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,700
juice, not, apple cider, like
almost like a kid's apple juice

640
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,300
and then right behind that was a
lot of Strawberry, I got almost

641
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:11,100
like a strawberry jelly, or
what's that?

642
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,000
What's it called?
Like jello like strawberry

643
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200
Jell-O.
It's very, very fruity.

644
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,500
Really sweet.
Almost candy sweet to me.

645
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,400
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10 on the nose just because

646
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,600
these are not notes.
I typically get on a

647
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,600
Glenmorangie.
So there's something different

648
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,300
going on here and I like it a
lot, huh?

649
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,000
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to give
it a 7 out of 10 on the nose for

650
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,500
me, there's a lot of must going
on here.

651
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:37,600
There's a little bit of honey.
I get some - but more of like a

652
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,900
dried tart cherry, there's a
little bit of nutmeg and then

653
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:44,300
the longer I sit with it.
The more I think that that Oak

654
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:46,300
is really coming through strong
here.

655
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,300
It's interesting.
It is important to note and this

656
00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:52,100
is not to undercut your score at
all.

657
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:55,800
We drank some Johnny drum last
week and you told me right

658
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,400
before we got on then like, hey
I'm feeling a little under the

659
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,200
weather.
So my score might be affected a

660
00:36:00,207 --> 00:36:03,300
little bit and you've liked
this, this cold has been hanging

661
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:04,600
on with you for about a week
now.

662
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,400
So I know that you drank this
you were not feeling great,

663
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,900
you're feeling a little bit
better today.

664
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:13,100
I obviously I trust your palate
enough that I'm not going to

665
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:16,600
like undercut your scores here
but it is important to note like

666
00:36:17,100 --> 00:36:20,000
but right now that you are Brad.
G not 100%.

667
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,300
Today I always am 100%.
Bob there's there's no such

668
00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:27,300
thing as a less than 100% Brad
G.

669
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,700
All right, I'm going to pass
that one up.

670
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,400
Okay, on the on the pallet on
The Taste here.

671
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:36,400
This is where I really, really
love this because it is Most

672
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,300
like, two distinct whiskeys for
me and different than anything

673
00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:43,400
I've ever had from Glenmorangie
on the front of the palette to

674
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,600
the mid palate, it is really
sweet.

675
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,800
It's the sweetest Glenmorangie
Scotch I've ever had, it's just

676
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,500
like it's apple juice.
It's all those things I noted,

677
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:56,100
it's got melon, it's got
strawberry to it.

678
00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,600
It hits your mid palate and you
go to swallow and then all of a

679
00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:04,200
sudden it's like an explosion of
smokiness and Ash, and Char and

680
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,200
it's mixed with that really
Terfel kind of Highland Scotch

681
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,600
flavor from The Barley that you
get there.

682
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,600
It doesn't turn, Super bitter
but it is like a very distinct

683
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,000
deflect dividing line on your
tongue between sweet and and

684
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,100
kind of pleasantly thin and then
immediately like, hey this is

685
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,000
105 proof, are you ready for
this?

686
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,800
And it just is a flavor bomb,
man.

687
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,000
I'm going to give it a 9 and a
half on the palate.

688
00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:33,800
Yeah.
I am not there with you Bob.

689
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:40,300
I think that sickness or know.
Yes, this is a little bit rough

690
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,100
for me, man, for me.
The oak is just overpowering.

691
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,700
There's, there's a decent amount
of barley.

692
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:51,200
It's very tannic for me.
And then I was sitting here for

693
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,900
a while.
There's just this awkward note

694
00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:57,600
that I couldn't place and I
finally realized it.

695
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,000
Kind of tastes like Dove soap a
little bit explain that flavor

696
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,400
of Dove soap To Me.
Brad, I'm not familiar, I don't

697
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,700
know.
It's It's just like Sophie

698
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,700
dovie, so be, yeah, there's
something about, I don't know

699
00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:16,700
what, you know, chemicals are in
soap that give it its smell, but

700
00:38:16,700 --> 00:38:19,300
it reminds me of the smell of
Dove soap.

701
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:21,500
But on my tongue.
Wow.

702
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:24,900
Don't like it that much.
It's not terrible.

703
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:28,600
It's like there's still a bit of
flavor there where I can tell

704
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,200
that this is Glenmore G but I'm
only going to give it a six out

705
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,400
of ten man.
Dude I was so excited to I was

706
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,900
like finally A scotch that Brad
and I can agree on like false

707
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,100
okay on the finish.
I do think that's where this one

708
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:45,800
is going to get dinged a little
bit.

709
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,400
It's got some of those great
kind of like Piney and vegetal

710
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,400
notes to it but it gets a little
bit bitter.

711
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,100
I do think the word tannic is a
good word for this.

712
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:58,900
It doesn't have the drying
effect that like real tannins

713
00:38:58,900 --> 00:39:01,400
have.
But it does kind of remind me of

714
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,000
that kind of like, you know,
inside of a wine barrel cream of

715
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,400
tartar.
A kind of flavor.

716
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,500
And so, I'm only going to give
it a seven on the finish.

717
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,700
I think the Finish actually
comes up a little, of course you

718
00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:16,200
do.
Oh my God.

719
00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:21,500
The, the reason being, I get a
lot of like a toasted Oak.

720
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,700
There's a lot of The Barley
coming through that sits on your

721
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,500
palate for me.
The only time I got something

722
00:39:26,500 --> 00:39:30,200
relatively sweet on this
experience, was on the Finish

723
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,400
like after it had sat on my
palette for a while.

724
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,000
I had swallowed, I was done with
it.

725
00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,000
I got a little bit of vanilla
notes.

726
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:40,600
Coming through that I enjoyed.
So it's not too far off from the

727
00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:43,100
the palate, but I'll give it a
six and a half on the finish,

728
00:39:43,700 --> 00:39:45,600
all right?
That takes us to balance like,

729
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,600
listen, I gave it a 9 and a half
on the palate and only a seven

730
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,300
on the finish.
So it's not a perfect experience

731
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,100
here, but I am still going to
give it an 8 on the balance.

732
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,700
I think there's a lot more in
the pros column and there is in

733
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:00,000
the cons column here.
So I'm an eight.

734
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:06,000
I'm at a five on balance, I just
don't think that what they're

735
00:40:06,100 --> 00:40:09,500
Are trying to do here Works.
Bob like I don't know if there's

736
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:13,100
much more to say than that but
the the movement from Flavor to

737
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:17,500
flavor, isn't great for me and I
don't care for it.

738
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:20,800
This is Far and Away the
harshest you've ever been on a

739
00:40:20,808 --> 00:40:22,900
Glenmorangie product.
Yeah.

740
00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:26,600
And I can, I can say it with
confidence to say, I love

741
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,400
Glenmorangie.
I think that they make

742
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,300
incredible stuff.
And there are a lot of, with

743
00:40:31,300 --> 00:40:33,500
every once in a while.
Mmm, it's okay.

744
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:37,700
Yeah, I don't think this is a
with And so that's where we

745
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:40,300
differ here, Brad.
Have you seen what this is

746
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:42,900
currently retailing for around
the country?

747
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:49,000
Well, kind of like in the state
of Ohio, it was $60 and then it

748
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,900
was on sale for 48 and now you
can't find it anywhere because

749
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:54,000
I'm guessing they discontinued
it.

750
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,300
So I honestly, I don't know.
Bob what, where have you seen it

751
00:40:58,300 --> 00:40:59,200
at?
Yeah.

752
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,000
So here's the thing about the
estar is that like they released

753
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,900
it back in 2008 and then they
re-released it, and I think

754
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:09,100
2017, Dean and maybe they did a
release in 2018, but it's not

755
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:12,100
like a recurring product that
they put out.

756
00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:15,400
So it's hard to pinpoint because
I don't want to say it's

757
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,800
discontinued as much as it was
just a special release, it seems

758
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,300
like you can still find it
pretty readily available around

759
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:24,300
the country if you're looking
for it.

760
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,000
But you might have to go to a
certain store that's out of the

761
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,900
way or get it on an online
retailer.

762
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:33,700
When it was released, it
retailed at about 75 bucks, I

763
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:35,900
would say, now you're looking at
like at least a hundred dollars,

764
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:37,800
so Brad.
I don't know, like, just go

765
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,200
ahead and pick what price point
you think we should be

766
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,900
evaluating this at?
I mean, I would say what you can

767
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:46,700
currently purchase it at.
So, let's just put it on the dot

768
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:51,300
triple digits $100.
I truly think that aside from

769
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:55,100
the King to Ruben, this might be
the best Glenmorangie product

770
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:59,200
I've had and it's between this
and the 18 for second place and

771
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,700
I'd have to go back and try the
18 again.

772
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:04,200
But I really like this man.
It's so different from what you

773
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,700
normally get with that
Glenmorangie.

774
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,400
Her profile.
I like it a lot. $100 is pricey,

775
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,300
but I actually think that this
is a pretty good value Brad.

776
00:42:12,300 --> 00:42:15,700
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10 honestly, when I was thinking

777
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:20,900
it was 60 bucks, I gave it a 3
out of 10 at $100.

778
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,500
I'm gonna give this a one out of
ten Bob so when it did when I

779
00:42:25,508 --> 00:42:28,600
first talked to you about this
yesterday, you told me that you

780
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,200
thought it was just okay, and I
feel like you actively hate it

781
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,200
now.
So like what what changed about

782
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,900
this experience for you?
Nothing.

783
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,900
I genuinely think it's just okay
and at $100 that is that's just

784
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:48,600
a bad value.
Like if this was a thirty five

785
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,700
to forty dollar, whiskey sure
like six seven out of ten, I'm

786
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:54,700
value like it's a cheap scotch
great.

787
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:00,800
It's not that good Bob.
Alright, I'm going to try it.

788
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,800
I'm going to try it again in a
few weeks, I have enough left.

789
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Gonna try it again, we'll see
where I'm at.

790
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,800
And if I change my mind, if I,
you know, was sick and it wasn't

791
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,300
great, I will come on the
podcast and tell you.

792
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,500
All right, I'll hold ask you the
now.

793
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,000
I'm going to give it a 10 out of
10 on value, that brings my

794
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,100
total score to a 25.5 out of
15-0.

795
00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:26,300
Yeah, Brad, I really do think
that like regardless of if you

796
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:29,600
end up liking it better or not.
I think, just trying In it, when

797
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,800
you're not under the weather is
going to bring that score up to

798
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,300
like, at least a 30 because I
was just scoring out our

799
00:43:35,300 --> 00:43:40,500
whiskeys for the season so far
today, and that's your lowest

800
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:44,000
scored whiskey of the season.
And I know, I know in my heart

801
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,700
of hearts that this is better
than Jameson cold brew.

802
00:43:48,100 --> 00:43:50,900
So like, I think you should just
give it another try.

803
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:53,900
Even if it's just a bump, it up
a couple, a couple points here,

804
00:43:53,900 --> 00:44:03,300
but I am at a 39.5 out of 50
which Us to a 65 out of 100 or a

805
00:44:03,308 --> 00:44:07,100
32.5 out of 50.
I think that is criminally low.

806
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:09,800
You probably think it is
criminally high and that is how

807
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,300
numbers work.
Yeah.

808
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:15,900
I mean I will say though I
totally recommend go buy it, get

809
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:18,200
a tour of it.
Big fan.

810
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,200
Oh my gosh, you're real sassy
today.

811
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:24,000
I'm sassy Brad has shown up
today.

812
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,300
I'm about to be sassy Bob.
All right man I'm at 100%

813
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:31,800
remember Let's direct that sass
at the movie, Heat.

814
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,000
What do you say?
Forget that, I'm going to direct

815
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,100
you to you with two facts in a
falsehood.

816
00:44:37,100 --> 00:44:43,200
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

817
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:47,800
That was Glenmorangie a star
which was not a star in our

818
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,700
estimation is a star in my
estimation speak for yourself.

819
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:54,500
My good man, I'm speaking for
the podcast Bob.

820
00:44:56,900 --> 00:45:00,200
Well speaking for the podcast
then Brad, I will say that I

821
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,500
have a stellar record at this
season's game of two facts and a

822
00:45:04,508 --> 00:45:07,000
falsehood and nothing can prove
otherwise.

823
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,600
Mmm, so let's continue my forty.
Eight game winning streak here.

824
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,500
You factor in a falsehood, is
the part of the show where Brad

825
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,400
presents three items to me all
of them.

826
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,200
As fact, one of them is a
complete fabrication and I have

827
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,200
to guess, which one is the
falsehood.

828
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,900
Brad, go ahead and hit us with
your two facts and a falsehood,

829
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:29,500
apparently, the I'm the
Washington generals over here.

830
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,900
Fax number one primarily due to
the shootout scene about halfway

831
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:39,000
through the film Heat, at the
time, set the record for the

832
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,700
most shots, fired in a movie
with 4,000. 478 shots being

833
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,300
fired throughout the movie.
Now, I will say that is not

834
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,200
like, you know, in all the
takes.

835
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,000
That's just what you see on the
final product.

836
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,900
Okay.
Fax number two waingro played by

837
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:01,600
Kevin gauge is based on a real
Chicago criminal named waingro

838
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,800
who ran it out some influential
Chicago criminals, according to

839
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,200
Michael Mann, Winger went
missing.

840
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,500
His body was found in a Northern
Mexico where it had been nailed

841
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:13,800
to the wall of a shed, yikes.
Fact number 3, during the bank

842
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,600
shootout man wanted to
realistically portray the damage

843
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,700
caused by the gunfire.
So he took several of the cars

844
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:23,600
used in the scene to any took
them to a firing range and shot

845
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,300
them up with real rifles.
The bullet holes were then

846
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:29,300
filled with bomb, no painted
over and blown open with squibs

847
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:34,200
on camera.
Interesting man, I'm really

848
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,300
thrown today, I'm not sure.
So the one that sticking out to

849
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:41,400
me is number two and it's
because I know that Michael Mann

850
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,400
had add a factual basis for
like, a couple of the characters

851
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,500
in this movie like Neil McCauley
is a real name of a real person

852
00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:52,300
who lived in.
I think the 60s and, you know,

853
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:55,100
he based his character on that
and just set it in present day.

854
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:57,700
I don't know if waingro was a
real person.

855
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,500
Waingro is such a weird name.
That it's almost like he has to

856
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:02,900
be real because that just
sounds.

857
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,300
It sounds too, fake to be fake.
You know what I mean?

858
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,600
Yeah, yeah, one in three also
could be true.

859
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,000
One sounds, pretty plausible.
Number 3, I don't know.

860
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,500
That sounds sure.
Is that like the entire premise

861
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:19,300
of your guessing, which of
Brad's fax sounds too fake to be

862
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:23,700
fake, kind of?
Yeah, I'm just gonna lock in

863
00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:25,300
number two.
As my falsehood.

864
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:31,000
Bob fax number two was indeed a
fact so interesting.

865
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Okay.
Yeah, there was a real criminal

866
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,900
in Chicago named waingro and he
was really found in northern

867
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:40,000
Mexico.
Where his body was nailed to the

868
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,500
side of the shed.
Yikes.

869
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,600
All right, what was the
falsehood crime, doesn't pay

870
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,300
kids.
The falsehood was fact, number

871
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:48,600
one.
Hmm.

872
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:51,500
It did not set a record for most
shots fired.

873
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Honestly, I just thought the
number was so high.

874
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,300
I was Like someone must have
counted all those numbers

875
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,500
because that's that's a lot of
shock because it's so shiny.

876
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:01,700
That's true.
It's the internet.

877
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:04,400
So I'm sure that somebody had
some point has counted the

878
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,000
number of shots in the movie I
did read a fact that each take

879
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,900
of the bank heist scene, they
fired two to three thousand

880
00:48:12,900 --> 00:48:15,900
shots while.
So I kind of use that as a gauge

881
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:18,500
to be like, you know, like 4,000
in the movie.

882
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:24,400
That sounds good.
All right man, so that's my

883
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,800
first loss in the last 48 weeks.
Yeah, it's crazy.

884
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,800
Man, I'm so proud of myself.
You finally toppled.

885
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:34,500
I was gonna say fun.
Fact, this is an actual fun

886
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,400
fact.
The Washington generals.

887
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,400
Do not lose every game.
Can you imagine buying a ticket

888
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,400
to go see the Harlem
Globetrotters and then seeing

889
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,200
them lose to the Washington
generals?

890
00:48:44,500 --> 00:48:48,800
I kind of would want to
absolutely not like I remember

891
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:54,000
going to a Philly's game when I
lived in Philadelphia and what

892
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,100
was his name, he was kind of a
long Term journeyman pitcher.

893
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,900
He was later in his career
playing for the Dodgers and he

894
00:48:59,900 --> 00:49:01,700
pitched a no-hitter.
Hmm.

895
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:04,600
And I like, I did the math and
the chances of seeing a

896
00:49:04,607 --> 00:49:08,500
no-hitter and like live in
person are like point two

897
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:12,700
percent that any game you'd go
to and I feel like watching the

898
00:49:12,707 --> 00:49:15,100
generals win would be a similar,
you know chance?

899
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:18,900
Yeah, we can see.
We used equally historic.

900
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:22,700
Yeah, exactly.
All right, man, before we get

901
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:25,000
out of here today, you know, I
don't really know that we need

902
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,900
to go super On the themes of
heat because we hit on most of

903
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:31,100
them last week, in collateral
other than to say, I just think

904
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:33,100
this movie does it
significantly.

905
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:36,000
Better like The Angst and the
existentialism.

906
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,400
And the, the doubt about one's
own choices and is their

907
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,600
Destiny.
I just think it all works here

908
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,800
in ways that it didn't, it felt
kind of shoehorned into

909
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,800
collateral for me.
Hmm, yeah, I mean, I think that,

910
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,600
for me, what really worked in
this film was the actresses You

911
00:49:55,607 --> 00:50:00,000
know, the the wives, if you
will, I just feel like they give

912
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,700
a lived-in feel to the world
that you didn't have in

913
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:05,500
collateral.
Yeah.

914
00:50:05,500 --> 00:50:07,300
Texture.
They add texture to the yes.

915
00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:09,900
Exactly.
Yeah, 100%.

916
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:13,600
And so I think all three of the
female leads give really great

917
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,000
performances.
But I think for the story their

918
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,700
performances, draw out the types
of men that these main

919
00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:25,400
characters are and you kind of
see them for the scum.

920
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,400
Eggs that all of them really
are.

921
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:32,700
And and yet their dedication to
the job is what makes them so

922
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,900
great at it.
So you don't know that it's a

923
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,500
movie that is full of Shades of
Grey like denier has suit.

924
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,700
Hmm.
Speaking of Shades of Grey, I

925
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:46,400
want to talk a little bit about
Michael Mann's visual stylistic

926
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:50,000
choices in this movie because I
think that's where this movie

927
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,600
really becomes.
Influential.

928
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,300
There's a couple things about
this movie and, you know, I said

929
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:56,700
this a few weeks ago with the
Globe, house key that I couldn't

930
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,800
believe this movie was 25 years
old and a lot of that had to do

931
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,700
with like the general Vibes and
how I think comedy has kind of

932
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:08,400
leaned towards the Lebowski bent
over the last 25 years.

933
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:12,700
But it's also the way that Roger
deakins cinematography looks and

934
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:14,400
in this movie, it's very
similar, man.

935
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,400
It's the cool color palette.
It's the big empty spaces.

936
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,500
It's the Sleek building designs.
It's the Dapper suits, it's the

937
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:25,200
empty La streets.
I think that, you know, I

938
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,100
mentioned Last week, the obvious
comparison here is that

939
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,500
Christopher Nolan took huge
inspiration from heat for the

940
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:35,500
dark night and if you watch that
opening bank heist in the dark

941
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:39,500
night, it is its heat set in the
DC comic book Universe.

942
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:44,800
There's so much of this movie in
there, but from the from the

943
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,100
bank heist on.
So like at the hour and a half,

944
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:50,600
mark on the score to this movie,
sounds like the score to a

945
00:51:50,607 --> 00:51:54,000
movie, you'd here in 2023.
It and the editing of this movie

946
00:51:54,000 --> 00:52:00,200
feels, it has the Rhythm of a
2023 action film, like, it is so

947
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,100
far ahead of its time Brad, this
movie came out the same year as

948
00:52:03,100 --> 00:52:07,900
Braveheart, and babe, like tell
me that this doesn't feel 15 to

949
00:52:07,900 --> 00:52:13,200
20 years more recent than babe.
Yeah, well, and I'll say the one

950
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,100
thing that really blew me away
is the sound design in this

951
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:19,900
movie?
Like, I don't know who won the

952
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:22,800
Oscar.
For what's the Oscar for like

953
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,600
sound design?
Yeah, there's one for sound

954
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,800
mixing and there.
To be 14 sound editing.

955
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,400
So I don't know if they had them
both back then.

956
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,800
But yeah, I feel like it should
have won one of those Awards

957
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:39,200
because the gunfight in the
middle of downtown LA just has a

958
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,800
crispness to to each and every
gunshot that you don't hear

959
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,400
another movies and I just
thought it sounded so much more

960
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,000
impactful than a lot of other,
you know, action movies I've

961
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,800
ever seen.
I thought that his choice with

962
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,400
the sound here.
Incredible, especially when it

963
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,700
was time to just cut the score
and just allow the guns to be as

964
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:03,700
violent sounding as they needed
to be.

965
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:06,500
Yeah.
Braveheart, one best sound

966
00:53:06,500 --> 00:53:10,300
editing.
Obviously for the dude.

967
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:13,700
I'm not gonna lie, Braveheart
soundtrack is pretty killer,

968
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,900
yeah, it has nothing to do with
the score though, it's just for

969
00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:19,200
the, you know, the soil.
Yeah, that's true.

970
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,900
Words hitting each other and
arrows hitting men in the but

971
00:53:22,100 --> 00:53:23,500
yeah.
And like, you know, men

972
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:25,400
screaming is, they get caught on
fire.

973
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:26,900
Yeah.
No.

974
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:29,600
He should have one there as much
as I love Braveheart.

975
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:32,600
I think he was killer in that.
That category.

976
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,000
All right, Brad.
So we are two movies down in

977
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,600
our, Michael Mann, you know,
retrospective here.

978
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,500
And next week, we're going to be
looking at the Last of the

979
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,500
Mohicans, which is a very
different type of movie to

980
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:45,200
Collateral and heat.
And I just want to gauge at this

981
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,300
point.
Like, do you feel like you have

982
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:50,500
a handle on Michael Mann?
And if you do, what would you

983
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:56,800
say, is his calling card?
I mean so far, I think his

984
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:03,100
calling card is action with a
Twist of philosophy.

985
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,900
Hmm.
That like that seems to be his

986
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:10,100
goal is to like create the
greatest action movie that he

987
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:14,700
can, while having characters
that have deep philosophical

988
00:54:14,700 --> 00:54:17,600
motivations.
I think it works incredibly well

989
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,300
in heat.
It works pretty solidly in

990
00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,100
collateral but like you said, I
love The word texture, there's

991
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:27,800
not enough texture to either of
their lives in collateral like

992
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,800
they only exist because they are
together.

993
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,900
It feels like and so, I just
think he's missing out on

994
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:37,700
something there that, that he
nails and heat.

995
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:41,500
And I think for me that, that
missing thing in collateral is

996
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:46,900
that they really nailed down the
idea of Destiny and fate.

997
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:50,000
And like, there's a little bit
of playing with fate in

998
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,100
collateral, but it just doesn't,
it feels kind of forced because

999
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:56,000
One night movie, these
characters don't know, each

1000
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,000
other.
And so those kind of start

1001
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,200
kicking around the idea of like,
who was this fate?

1002
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:03,500
Whereas in heat, you know, the
final shot of the movie is this

1003
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:06,900
brilliantly.
Composed shot of De Niro dying

1004
00:55:07,300 --> 00:55:10,100
and basically, like the plane
that he would have been leaving

1005
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:15,300
on like taking off and Pacino's
holding his hand as he dies.

1006
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:19,200
And it's like, the only moment
of real Connection in that whole

1007
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,100
movie of like intimate touch.
And it's these two guys holding

1008
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,600
and it really gets back to this
idea of like, was this just

1009
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,900
their Destiny all along?
Did they have any control over

1010
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:30,600
this or is this just who they
are?

1011
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,000
And is this like, what is the
end of that?

1012
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,800
What was this all for?
And I think it it asks so many

1013
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,300
great questions that collateral
was just incapable of asking.

1014
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,300
So yeah, man, I I think that as
we move in to make it a double,

1015
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,300
this is a hard one for me
because I could go the route of

1016
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:51,400
like What's a movie that heat
influenced?

1017
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,900
And the answer is like every
movie for the last 27 years.

1018
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,400
I'm gonna do a really
unconventional one.

1019
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,400
And it's one that's on the theme
of guys who are too committed to

1020
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:09,400
their job, who understand that?
They're going to ruin their own

1021
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,100
lives and it's not that they
don't care.

1022
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:13,100
It's just that they don't know
how to do anything else.

1023
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,800
And it really reminded me of
this date part documentary

1024
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,900
series from a couple years ago
called The Last Dance where,

1025
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,800
where Michael Jordan, very
clearly showed that his

1026
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,300
commitment to the game of
basketball is.

1027
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:31,800
The only thing that gives his
life meaning and I hate to say

1028
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,800
that about a guy but like, very
lonely man.

1029
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,800
Yeah, so I would pair this up
with the last dance if you want

1030
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,000
to see a real life example of
that kind of commitment and its

1031
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,800
toll on someone, I think for me
for making a double I'm going to

1032
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,300
pair it with a movie that is
much lower production quality

1033
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:53,500
but I think there is a lot of
strangely similar themes that

1034
00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:58,000
this movie follows the cops and
it follows the bad guys and it

1035
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,900
follows Vigilantes I think
there's some great shootout

1036
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:04,700
scenes with just a massive
amount of bullets being shot.

1037
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,600
I'm gonna pair this with
Boondock Saints.

1038
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,600
I feel like you've been like
holding Boondock Saints in the

1039
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,300
back pocket, like waiting to
slap it down on the table for a

1040
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:16,500
make it, a double you've
referenced it a couple times

1041
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:17,800
before.
Yeah.

1042
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,700
I think that heat is the one to
watch it with my God, it would

1043
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:24,200
be a wildly enjoyable evening to
watch.

1044
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,500
I would say watch Boondock
Saints to like warm you up for

1045
00:57:27,500 --> 00:57:31,000
all the violence and the Then
get into heat which is is very

1046
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,200
clearly the better movie.
All right.

1047
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:35,600
You say it's the better movie.
I want to hear a final score

1048
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,100
here, Brad because I agree.
It's a really long movie.

1049
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,900
And yet, the more I think of it,
the more I'm like, I don't know

1050
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:45,800
what I would cut because I feel
like even though it's a very

1051
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:51,500
protracted intro, like it really
gets you into the headspace and

1052
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:55,200
the lives and The rhythms of
these guys and so it's almost

1053
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,100
like I don't recommend watching
it in one sitting but Also

1054
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:03,300
wouldn't recommend cutting it
down, and because of that, I

1055
00:58:03,308 --> 00:58:05,300
think I'm going to give this
movie a 9 out of 10.

1056
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,600
It's a really great movie and it
works at exactly what it sets

1057
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,400
out to do.
Yeah, I think I'm with you, man.

1058
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,600
I man, I'm trying to I'm
waffling between an eight and a

1059
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,200
half in a nine.
I think it's a really, really

1060
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,300
great movie.
I think for me, the struggle was

1061
00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:24,700
that for the first hour hour and
15 minutes of the movie.

1062
00:58:25,100 --> 00:58:27,300
It just felt like there was too
much going on.

1063
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:29,700
He was pulling it too many.
Threads.

1064
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:34,300
The, the whole, you know,
waingro being a serial killer

1065
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,600
thing.
Just was too much but it has

1066
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,400
some incredible scenes.
See, here's the thing.

1067
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:45,200
The final scene I love, but I
hate De Niro's final.

1068
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:51,400
I like De Niro's final line
represents 0 of the character.

1069
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,800
We have watched like him, not
him, not getting caught is not

1070
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,600
his motivation in life and so I
was really frustrated that they

1071
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,500
put those words in his mouth.
At the end I'm going to give it

1072
00:59:03,500 --> 00:59:06,600
an eight and a half.
Alright so we're at an eight

1073
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,100
point seven five out of ten on
the movie Heat but we want to

1074
00:59:10,107 --> 00:59:13,900
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1075
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1076
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:20,900
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1077
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,200
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1078
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1079
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,200
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1080
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At the end of every single one
of our show notes will be back

1081
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,100
next week with our friend, movie
critic, Daniels, y0, to talk

1082
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:38,900
about his favorite film of all
time. 1992's, The Last of the

1083
00:59:38,900 --> 00:59:44,000
Mohicans But until then I'm Bob
book, I'm Reggie and we'll see

1084
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:44,800
you next time.