Hanksgiving, Vol. 5: Captain Phillips / Jefferson's Ocean

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In 2013, director Paul
Greengrass and star Tom Hanks

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gave the world a master class on
how to build tension to the

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absolute breaking point.
In 2024, we take a trip on the

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high seas with a luxury bourbon.
The film is Captain Phillips.

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The whiskey is Jefferson's
Ocean.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the film and Whiskey.

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Podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast and welcome to
Thanksgiving, Brad,

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Thanksgiving.
It is the holiday that no one

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asked for and everybody needs
that's.

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Dude, especially after such a
high tension last few weeks

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we've had here in America, we
need the warm hug that is Tom

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Hanks.
As an we sure do and talk about

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a warm hug of a movie Bob I.
Was going to say we've been very

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spoiled with our Hanks giving.
I believe this is our 4th one

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now. 4th or 5th?
And yeah, Tom Hanks is basically

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the terminal Part 2.
Yeah, exactly.

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Tom Hanks has found himself a
nice little niche of heart

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warming films, and we are
breaking that mold today because

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this is not one of those movies.
If you actually turned this on,

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like after Thanksgiving dinner
when all of your extended family

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is laying around the house, it
would probably be an

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entertaining movie.
I don't know if it screams, you

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know, togetherness the way that
some of his other Thanksgiving

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movies have.
Yeah, if you want your entire

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family to be weeping at the end
of Thanksgiving, this might be

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the film to watch.
There was a moment towards the

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end of the film where Tom Hanks
is splattered in blood and just

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going Oh no.
And I thought to myself, maybe

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not the best Thanksgiving film.
I mean, for some families it

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might just fit in perfectly, you
never know.

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Well folks, welcome into film
and whiskey.

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What do we do here?
We review movies and we drink

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whiskey.
This is our 4th time honoring

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Tom Hanks on Thanksgiving.
And we're also trying to align

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the film that we chose for
today, Captain Phillips, with

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our theme for the season.
So this season, what we're doing

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is we're looking at films from
the last 20 years and we're

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asking the big question, does
this movie deserve to be

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considered a modern classic?
Now, Captain Phillips is

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probably the closest thing that
Tom Hanks has in the last 20, at

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least 15 years to being a modern
classic.

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I think it has a 7.8 on IMDb.
So it's kind of hovering right

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close to that 8 mark where you
start getting into the top 250.

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It missed a couple of the
categories, Brad, that we wanted

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to review our movies for this
season.

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But I think it's a good kind of
sleeper outlier to consider for

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a modern classic.
Yeah, the four categories we

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have probably aren't enough.
We needed a fifth category that

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says is Tom Hanks in this movie,
and this film falls firmly into

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the yes category for for that.
So I I personally consider it a

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candidate for modern classic
just on that category alone.

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It's.
Like one of those websites that

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people made that's just like is
Henry Kissinger dead.com?

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And if you go there it says no
until he dies and then all it

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does is say yes.
That that's the whole purpose of

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the all right, man.
Let's dive into talking about

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the movie a little bit.
So this movie comes out in 2013.

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Tom Hanks had a kind of double
whammy this year of Captain

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Phillips and Saving Mr. Banks,
where he played Walt Disney.

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And the consensus around town in
Hollywood, so I have heard, was

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Hanks is gunning for a
nomination in both of these

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categories.
And he could very well get it.

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We've seen it done before.
We saw it actually pretty

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recently, prior to this, where
Kate Winslet was nominated in

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two categories at the Golden
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She put all her eggs in the
basket of going for best

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actress.
It ended up being a very good

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decision for her.
Tom Hanks, I don't know what his

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strategy was, but it
spectacularly backfired because

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he didn't get nominated for
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And I have to say, having
watched both films, is saving

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Mr. Banks a little bit cheesy?
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I liked him as Walt Disney.
I think it's a crime that he was

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not nominated for this movie for
Best Actor. 100% like I I have

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not looked at the list of
nominees for that year.

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I don't know how you watch this
movie and don't immediately

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think to yourself this is a
leading candidate for best

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winner of Best Actor for this
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So we had Matthew McConaughey
winning the award this year for

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his role in Dallas Buyers Club,
a very good performance,

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Christian Bale for American
Hustle, Bruce Dern got his final

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nomination for the film,
Nebraska DiCaprio for The Wolf

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of Wall Street, and she would
tell Ejiofor for 12 Years a

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Slave. 5.
Really good performances.

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Hanks should have been slotted
into the Christian Bale

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nomination here.
Like, there's just no, I was

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about to say American Hustle.
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Yeah, like 7 1/2, seven out of
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It was fun.
Not a single performance in that

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movie was worthy of an Oscar
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And I still think Hanks, in the
years since this, has been

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trying to do interesting things
with his career.

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Like I, I have to give him
credit, he is not just like

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sitting back and resting on his
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He's trying new things.
A lot of the things he's tried

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have been swings and misses.
And so there's a part of me that

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feels like this is the last
great Tom Hanks performance and

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it was not recognized at all.
And that really sucks, dude.

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Yeah, Tom Hanks is one of the
greatest actors of all time.

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Like he he'll probably be like a
Mount Rushmore goat type actor,

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at least in American cinema.
And the fact that this, like I

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said, the fact that he didn't
get nominated for best actor in

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this this cat this year.
I Bob, I wept at the end of this

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movie.
Yeah, I cried a lot.

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I mean.
In a way that I was not

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expecting to shed any tears at
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Even like 90% of the way into
the movie I was like, OK,

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riveting stuff.
Yep.

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I don't think you're going to
emotionally get me here and then

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all of a sudden, man.
And you've seen it before?

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Yeah.
And I've seen that clip at the

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end of the film multiple times
on YouTube.

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And if you don't know what we're
talking about, I think it's time

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to spoil the movie a little bit.
And in order to do that, it's

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time for our first segment of
the day, which we call, Brad

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explains.
Brad's gonna.

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Give us the movie plot with only
60 seconds taken on the clock.

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So let's go ahead and do your
take with this little segment

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that we call, Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen often for the first
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This was Brad's first time with
Captain Phillips and I have to

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say, man, I saw this in the
theater when it first came out

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and we can talk a little bit
about the shaky Cam of it all.

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I I think that it was a very
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As I was watching it on my TV
today, I thought to myself, I

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wonder how this plays for a
first time viewer if they're

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only watching it on their laptop
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So, Brad, before you even spoil
the movie.

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Did did the.
Immersiveness of the movie come

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through on a smaller screen.
I think it did.

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My struggle is the fact that
Netflix freaking is showing

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their movies at like 244 P
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Or 1:44.
Yeah, dude, what's going on

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there, man?
They're trying to get you to pay

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more for 4K, and they're ramping
everybody else down, I think to

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make the effect more dramatic,
like, oh, you need 4K.

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It's like, no dude, we just need
like 720P.

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Could you meet me in the middle?
Like that would be awesome.

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Like, truly, I think at best
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It was rough.
So yes, that definitely degraded

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my experience.
And I will be leaving a scathing

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review on Google's Netflix,
something I don't know.

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I'm going to find a place and
I'm going to leave a very bad

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review of Netflix and it's going
to hurt them.

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I'm sure it will, Brad.
They're going to miss that $7.00

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a month from you that you're not
paying and sharing someone

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else's password with SO.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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because you're not have it's
100% model.

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All right, well, there you go.
Brad's paying his own $7.00.

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There you go, USA.
All right, dude, you have 60

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seconds to spoil this movie.
Folks, if you haven't seen

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Captain Phillips, I highly
recommend it.

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I know you're probably stuffing
a Turkey right now.

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If you have the chance to press
pause and watch this movie, you

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should absolutely do so and then
come back and listen to the rest

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the episode.
Brad one minute and go captain.

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Phillips is a film about a man.
Guess what his name is?

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Bob.
Guess what his name is?

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Captain Phillips.
Yeah, the first name, Captain.

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Last name Phillips.
What?

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An appropriately named man.
You might say he was destined

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for the job he worked.
Rich Phillips is a captain of a

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cargo ship that is sailing
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eastern side of Africa that is
eventually boarded by Somali

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pirates.
As the pirates slowly try to

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force him to acquiesce to their
demands, he cunningly forces

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them into some traps, eventually
gets them to leave the ship with

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$30,000, but unfortunately they
are able to capture him in the

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lifeboat.
As they're on the lifeboat, the

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US Navy catches up and slowly
begins the process.

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Honestly it feels like a spider,
like layering a web around a fly

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as they slowly trap them.
And the the end of this movie is

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the single most realistic
depiction of a trauma response

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that I have ever seen in my life
and I've seen a decent amount of

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trauma responses and it was
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There you go, Captain Phillips,
folks.

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Brad, there's a lot to say about
this movie.

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Typically, we keep our Hanks
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shorter, so we'll try to
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Do you want to get the Hanks of
it all out of the way now?

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Because I feel like we've kind
of already like dove into

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discussing the performance a
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Maybe we should just round it
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Yeah, I mean to to set the stage
of the end of the movie.

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Like the Tom Hanks is great
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there's nothing in it that makes
me go, oh, this is peak Hanks.

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Like it's it's really good.
Tom Hanks.

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He's.
Doing like bad accent work

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again.
He's going, he's going back to

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the Carl Hanratty, catch me if
you can Boston accent for a hot

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2nd, but.
But then it disappears.

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It's gone half.
Quarter of the way into the

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movie, yeah.
So all normal Tom Hanks stuff

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that is forgivable because he's
Tom freaking Hanks.

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At the end of the film, the main
captor has boarded the US Navy

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ship in order to negotiate a
deal for money, which is fake

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and not going to happen.
And the three remaining Somali

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pirates are on this tiny,
cramped lifeboat with Tom Hanks.

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They string him up.
They're going to shoot him,

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execute him.
They have him blindfolded.

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And at the last moment, the Navy
Seals are able to take sniper

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shots on the three Somali
pirates and they take them out.

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And from that moment to the end
of the film, Tom Hanks is

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transcendent.
Like, I don't know if I've ever

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seen an actor go from, oh, wow,
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He's great.
Like the performance in this

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movie is solid to this might be
one of the best like 10 minutes

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of acting I've ever seen in my
life. 100% And here's like, am I

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wrong?
No.

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And here's the real feat Tom
Hanks, you know this Brad, one

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of my favorite actors, I feel
like in the last four or five

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years, the the roles that he's
taken on have both seemed a

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little bit more comfortable for
his wheelhouse and also exposed

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some very minor flaws in his
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Like, I don't think I would say
anyone's a perfect actor.

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And everybody has their own
little foibles, and Tom Hanks

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has his.
And for Tommy Wiseau, of course.

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I mean, that goes without
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So Tom Hanks is not a good
improviser.

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And I don't mean that.
Like, I've seen clips of him.

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There's a really famous clip
that's gone around YouTube of

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him and Tom Holland on a talk
show where he's talking about

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how you kind of run these drills
as an actor where you just do 80

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passes at the same line and you
learn to like, you know, be

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quick on your feet.
I'm not saying he's not witty.

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I'm not saying he's not quick on
his feet, but Paul Greengrass,

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the director of this movie, has
a very specific style and it's

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very kind of cinema verite shaky
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It's almost documentary feel.
He uses a lot of non actors in

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this movie and I think that
throughout the film you can tell

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when Tom Hanks is acting against
non professional actors because

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he still has that sort of
constraints of Hollywood acting

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upon him like.
He he's.

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Trying real hard to seem like a
regular guy.

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And I think that he's just kind
of butting up against the fact

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that he's Tom Hanks a lot.
And so I think that makes the

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end of the film even more
extraordinary because because

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he's not a great improv guy.
And then you get to the end of

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the film and he's acting against
this like, you know, paramedic

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basically, who is a real life
like corpsman and not an actor.

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And his ability to inhabit a
person that has like a deep

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Shock Trauma response.
It's unbelievable.

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And I think like, again, nothing
against Tom Hanks as an actor.

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He's a he's an incredible actor,
but it's almost like he took the

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weakest part of his game and
then said, I'm going to give you

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the five best minutes of my
career.

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And it's going to be doing what
I'm the worst at.

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And I think it's, it's just,
it's commendable.

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Oh, absolutely.
I'm going to say it again

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because it's deserved saying he
should have been nominated for

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best actor.
And I, Bob, I'm going to be very

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vulnerable with you.
I didn't just weep at the end of

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this movie.
Like I had a response to this

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movie that I've never had to any
movie in my life.

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Like I wept for about 20 minutes
straight It and I, I realized

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that in in my own personal life,
I like I've been on a journey of

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healing for a few years and
learning more about myself and

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learning more about my story.
And I think something I've

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realized is that as my life
story becomes more integrated

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and it makes more sense to me
and my emotions are more

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integrated into my physicality,
my body and my spirituality.

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Like as all of those pieces and
parts come together, movies are

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harder for me to watch because I
I don't find myself being able

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to dissociate the feelings that
the movie is bringing up in me

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from who I am and all the rest
of the parts of my life.

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And so as a hospital chaplain,
like I saw some really fucked up

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stuff, like like super messed up
stuff.

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And watching Tom Hanks go
through a trauma response was so

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vivid to what real life is like
for a lot of people who go

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through horrifically disgusting,
gross, broken, dark things that

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I it messed me up, man.
I like, I had to go upstairs.

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Haley was like helping me
regulate and calm down because

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it was brutally honest and
brutally raw.

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And I like, I don't say any of
that to say it was bad or I wish

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I hadn't watched it.
I like, I think it's one of the

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best endings of a film I've ever
seen in my life.

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But man, oh man, was it intense.
Dude, your wife, I can't even

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imagine what she thinks of me
from day-to-day.

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Like I'm just imposing these
things on you and then you're

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like going to her to help
process all the time.

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It was wild, man.
Oh, man.

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Yeah, I mean.
Obviously, I didn't have to the

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extent that you had, but it's a
really affecting ending.

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And I think to kind of zoom out
a little bit on the movie

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itself, let's talk really
briefly about Paul Greengrass

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and his style.
So Greengrass was a film maker

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who made a small movie called, I
think Bloody.

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Is it called Bloody Sunday?
Let's see what blood diamond?

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Yeah, Bloody Bloody Sunday in
2002, and then gets tapped to

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take on this, the latter part of
the Jason Bourne series.

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So Doug Lineman directs the
first Bourne Identity and then

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Greengrass takes on Bourne
Supremacy and Bourne Ultimatum.

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He kind of rockets to critical
darling status when he makes the

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film United 93 in 2006, I
believe.

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And then, you know, he's been a
really good both commercial and

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critical director since then.
But this is his signature style.

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He likes the Shakey Cam look and
I think he really like he found

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his moment in time in the early
2000 tens because everything was

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Shakey Cam.
I think that the shaky Cam in

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this movie works really, really
well both because it is it

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captures perfectly the utter
chaos of this entire ordeal.

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And it's like we're we're on a
boat, you know what I mean?

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Like, like there's there's never
a sense of equilibrium because

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we're always constantly moving
back and forth.

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So I was never like nauseated by
the camera work.

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I thought honestly, for being
handheld, they did a great job

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with having you understand the
geography of everywhere you were

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it.
It didn't seem like it didn't.

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It evoked chaos, but the camera
work itself was not chaotic.

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And they do a really great job
when they're on the cargo ship

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of establishing here's the
engine room, here's the bridge,

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here's what the staircases are.
You know the levels.

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And you never lose track of
where you're at on the ship.

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And then you're on a tiny ass
lifeboat that you definitely

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never lose track of where where
you're at.

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But even then they're like, you
know, and and I think the script

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is pretty solid, but there are
moments where you know, like at

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the the beginning conversation
that Hanks and his wife are

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having in the car where they're
like, I, I hate the world we're

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leaving to our children.
Yes, I know, darling, isn't it

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the worst?
Like there's there's moments,

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but where it does a really good
job is helping establish

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geography of scenes.
So like when the, when the Navy

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first comes and is negotiating
with them and they tell Tom

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Hanks, you know, Hanks yells to
them like, I'm in seat 15.

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And they, they say later you
need to go back to the seat that

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you've been sitting in this
whole time.

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And then, you know, there's a
shot of him sitting in the seat

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and you see the tiny #15 next to
it.

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And it's like, OK, I understand
now.

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Like where everything's at on
this tiny little life vessel

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because they use the camera
really well.

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And they also told me exactly
what I need to know to help

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process this information.
Yeah, yeah, The one, the one

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element of the film that didn't
totally work for me was the

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tension in the opening scene.
Not the opening scene, but when

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the pirates are first chasing
the ship and they eventually

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kind of get beaten off by the
waves and and so on, there's a

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part of me that was like
starting to feel tense and like,

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are they going to catch him?
And then as I thought that, I

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was like, Oh yeah, they're
totally going to catch him

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because if they didn't catch
him, there wouldn't be a movie.

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Like we did it, we invaded them
and yeah.

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Yeah, starring Tom Hanks, like,
like, I, you know, for better or

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for worse, like he's trying to
build tension.

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But there is moments like that
where it's like, oh, if this

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next thing doesn't happen, we
don't have a movie.

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So there's not really much
narrative tension here.

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Well, and even if you've never
seen the film, you probably have

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been made aware of the line.
Look at me, I'm the captain now.

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And and that line can't happen
unless he's with Tom Hanks.

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Oh, man.
All right.

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I think we have a lot more to
talk about with this movie, but

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again, we're trying to keep it
short today.

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I'm trying to get you sent off
to Thanksgiving dinner on a high

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note.
Brad, let's take a break.

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Let's drink some of this
bourbon.

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What do you say?
Let's get to it.

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All right, so today we are
checking out Jefferson's Ocean.

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This is a bourbon that we've
been trying to get on the

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podcast for a long time, Brad
and.

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You know, it just kind of always
gets.

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Pushed to the back burner.
I'm going to be honest.

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Yeah, it's a whiskey that has
been around for a long time.

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Long enough, dare I say, to lose
the novelty.

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Yeah, it's lost a bit of its
luster.

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This was a a huge tater bourbon
for a long time.

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People really chased this thing,
and I think it's because of the

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gimmicky marketing around it.
So the whole concept of

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Jefferson's Ocean is that
Jefferson's, which sources its

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bourbon, takes its bourbon and
puts the barrels on some sort of

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cargo ship going somewhere
around the world.

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And for a period of months it
travels on the high seas,

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sloshing around in these barrels
and apparently, you know,

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extracting even more from the
wood because of that amount of

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sloshing.
Brad, you and I have not tried

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this before, at least not on the
show.

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But have you tried it in real
life?

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I have tried it in real life.
I believe I tried voyage

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something in the late teens like
17 through 19 with a friend way,

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way back in the day and I
remember thinking it was very

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good.
The they called it the rubber

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duck voyage because it
apparently like a cargo ship

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lost a cargo container full of
rubber ducks.

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And it like there's like
literally like a billion rubber

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ducks just randomly in the
Pacific Ocean.

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And then the cargo ship carrying
The Jeffersons like floated

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straight through this massive
sea of rubber ducks.

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And that is what I remember from
that voyage of Jeffersons.

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You just get that that slight
hint of rubber on the palette

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with that one.
Makes you want to quack.

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Exactly.
So what we're doing today,

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folks, Brad and I are actually
going to try two different types

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of Jeffersons Ocean or two
different voyages.

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That's how they label each one
of these vintages.

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I'm trying voyage #23 it's
clocking in at 90 proof.

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Brad, which one are you trying
today?

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I am trying the Jefferson's
Ocean Voyage 10 cask strength.

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Oh, cask strength.
OK, yeah, we basically decided,

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look, I have a bottle of this on
my shelf.

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Brad had a buddy that had a
bottle.

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And usually we try to sip the
same whiskey, but I trust our

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palates enough.
And let's be frank here, dude,

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it's Thanksgiving.
We can do what we want.

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I thought it, I thought it'd be
cool to.

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Get a broader picture of the
Jefferson's Ocean line up.

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Usually when we have something
like this, you know, we try one

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variety of it and we pass
judgement on the entire label.

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This time we get to sample two
different voyages.

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There's a lot of variance here.
Obviously yours is cast

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strength.
Mine's 90 proof.

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So hopefully we get a clearer
picture of what this is actually

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like.
But I'm excited to dive in, man.

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So why don't you give me your
nosing notes on Voyage 10 and

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then I'll jump in with 23?
This is wild man.

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I I don't know if we've ever
tried like two different

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whiskeys for a normal episode
before.

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No, I, I feel really weird.
I have to take your word for it

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too.
Like, I have to trust that your

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palate is on point today.
Yeah, I don't know if I trust

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your palate after five years,
Bob.

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No, nor should you.
Well, the nose on this

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Jefferson's Ocean 10 cast
strength is really beautiful.

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I, I am getting lots of really
classic bourbon notes.

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There's butter, there's caramel,
there's some pecan coming

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through.
It's brown sugary and there is a

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little bit of an acidity like a,
a coffee bean, like a fresh

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coffee bean that hasn't been
ground yet.

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It's a, it's a really beautiful
nose.

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I'm going to give it a 8 1/2
here.

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Yeah, on my 23.
I just popped this bottle for

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the first time last night and
it's funny because I'm sampling

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it again today as we drink and
there's different notes now.

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I think it's finally like, you
know, the air has gotten into it

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a bit.
It's calm down a bit in the

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bottle.
But when I first popped it, what

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I really picked up was a strong
Berry and wine heavy note and

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like a like a really bright
grape note.

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It was almost Champagne, and
then it kind of just tipped into

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that overly sweet kind of
Welch's sparkling grape juice

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that you get for the kids to
toast with on New Year's Eve

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00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,640
because they can't have the
alcohol, you know?

445
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,800
That was like the best when you
were a kid.

446
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Yeah, man.
And then today I it's calmed

447
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,440
down a bit.
I get some more classic bourbon

448
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,920
notes.
There's definitely some vanilla

449
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,720
here.
I get almost like a Peaches and

450
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,880
cream on this, which is really,
really nice.

451
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,640
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10 on the nose.

452
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,200
For me, as I moved into the
palette, it turned into this

453
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:27,160
really nice, like an orange
zesty peel vibe that I was

454
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,120
really digging.
There's some brown sugar, it's

455
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,760
very vanilla Y and the butter
stuck around.

456
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,920
It definitely dissipated some I
I was looking forward to like a

457
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,080
butter bomb and it wasn't quite
there.

458
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,840
This is a really good palette.
Not as overwhelming as the nose

459
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,600
was.
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2

460
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,520
here.
I think what I'm learning today

461
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,880
is like, don't take the very
first sip out of a bottle that's

462
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,520
been sitting on your shelf
unopened for a few years as

463
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,880
gospel truth because my notes
from last night are not really

464
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,000
applying to today hardly at all.
Last night this was really thin

465
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,240
on the mouthfeel to me and it it
tasted pretty watered down.

466
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,880
I told you right before we
started recording that I was

467
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,680
worried I was going to sound too
negative about this, but it

468
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,040
tasted like a really generic,
bland 80 proof whiskey.

469
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,240
And this is 90 proof and it's
not priced as a generic whiskey.

470
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,640
So I was, I'm thinking of it
like, you know, Old Crow or very

471
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,760
Old Barton or something really
cheap is what this tasted like

472
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,200
last night.
I think today it's developed a

473
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,800
little bit more character, like
it's presenting on the mouthfeel

474
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,280
a little bit thicker.
It has almost like a dusty

475
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,320
quality to it, which I really,
really like.

476
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,440
I still wouldn't call this a
great whiskey, Brad, but it's

477
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,400
bringing a little bit more of
that bourbon sweetness.

478
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,040
There's a little bit of brown
sugar.

479
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,960
I'm going to bring my score up
from what was a four and a half

480
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,880
last night when I tried it up to
a 6 1/2 today.

481
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,760
OK.
Yeah, that, that is a big, big

482
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,960
shift, Bob.
The finish for me here jumped

483
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,600
up.
It's like right in the middle of

484
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,920
the nose in the taste.
I'll give it an 8 out of 10.

485
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:06,920
It got into a really nice
peppery clove, a little bit of

486
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,760
like a dried tobacco finish with
a hint of that vanilla holding

487
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,040
on.
I very much so enjoyed the

488
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,160
finish.
Like I said, 8 out of 10 Bob all

489
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240
around.
I'll just go ahead and get my

490
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,800
balance score here.
I like, I think this is a really

491
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,520
well balanced whiskey that at
cast strength, which I believe

492
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,160
is 112 proof.
I think it's offering a really

493
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,080
nice experience.
Now, I don't know if it's

494
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,800
enhanced by the voyage it took
around the world, but at the

495
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,320
very least they made a good
whiskey.

496
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,440
I think the reason that I was
saying that this presented like

497
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,080
a really cheap whiskey is it's
so thin on the mouthfeel that

498
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,480
even at 90 proof, the flavors
that are trying to escape onto

499
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,800
your palate and and prove
something of themselves are so

500
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,440
like minimized by the amount of
wateriness here.

501
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,160
It reminds me of like when you
have a really good kind of high

502
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,120
ABV cocktail and you get down to
that very last sip that's been

503
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,880
sitting there kind of mingling
with the ice and you're like, oh

504
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,400
OK, like this would be really
good if it still tasted like an

505
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,920
Old Fashioned, but now it tastes
like a watered down old

506
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Fashioned.
That's kind of what I have here

507
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,360
in my glass.
I really wish that I was able to

508
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,760
try this one at Cast Strength.
But what's unfortunate is like

509
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,080
this is not an 80 proof whiskey.
This is a 90 proof whiskey and

510
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680
it's still lacking that depth
and complexity that it really

511
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120
needs to have.
So I am going to punish it a

512
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,120
little bit here on the finish.
The flavors are all there and it

513
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,600
feels like they want to come
out, but the proof point is

514
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,200
keeping it from doing that.
I'm going to give it just a six

515
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,160
out of 10.
And then on the balance, Brad,

516
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,120
this is kind of hard for me.
Again, we're drinking 2

517
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,840
completely different voyages.
What's weird with Jefferson's is

518
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,400
they source their whiskey and
they have never really hidden

519
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,320
that fact.
What I don't know is are they

520
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,840
using the exact same whiskey
from voyage to voyage?

521
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,960
Like is this the same mash bill
from the same place that they're

522
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,800
sourcing it from every single
time they put it on the water?

523
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,600
Or are they, you know, buying
some barrels from Barton and

524
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,640
some barrels from Heaven Hill
and it all becomes Jefferson's

525
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,920
Voyage or Jefferson's Ocean, I
don't know.

526
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,400
So it's hard for me to even, you
know, even if I sat down with

527
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,120
your Jefferson's 10 here, Brad,
I don't know if I'd be able to

528
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,960
tell if this was the same type
of whiskey.

529
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
And so there's so many
variables, it becomes really

530
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,920
hard to gauge.
Like what is this label?

531
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,160
About all I say.
All that to say.

532
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,440
On the balance, I think it's
just really thrown out of whack

533
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,880
and the fact that they're
offering some of it at cast

534
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,640
strength and some of it only at
90 proof, I think underlines the

535
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,640
fact that there's just a lot of
moving parts here.

536
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,080
There's a lot of variables and
it seems kind of inconsistent as

537
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720
a label.
And for me, I'm just going to

538
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,080
give it, AI don't know, 6/5 and
1/2.

539
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,520
How generous am I feeling?
I'm going to give it a 5 1/2 on

540
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,280
balance, Brad.
Apparently not very generous.

541
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,000
Oh man.
I I think value wise, the cask

542
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,080
strength versions of these seem
like they are for sale at the

543
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:16,240
$100 price point, which is not
in our luxury category, but it's

544
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,920
definitely not in our cheap
category.

545
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:25,120
Bob, I think for a cask strength
version of this, $100 is a

546
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,680
little expensive for my taste.
Like, man, you're getting into

547
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,040
triple digits.
You better have a daggone good

548
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,160
whiskey, Bob.
I think I'm going to give it a 5

549
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,560
out of 10 on value.
Yeah, I'm going to be even lower

550
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,320
than you.
And again, I'm only speaking

551
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,240
from my bottle of this.
I think that if this was Cast

552
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Strength, I would be
significantly higher on value

553
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,280
because this tastes like it
would be good whiskey at Cast

554
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,760
Strength.
But it's not.

555
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,200
It's 90 proof and it's not a
particularly good 90 proof

556
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,600
bourbon.
So I'm just going to give this a

557
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,480
four out of 10 on value.
Now, again, it's super gimmicky

558
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,080
like this is this is the
marketing ploy of all marketing

559
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,080
ploys.
But they do it for real.

560
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,400
Like they're not making this up.
As far as I know.

561
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,280
They're actually putting this
stuff on a ship.

562
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,040
It's going around the world for
a couple months and it's coming

563
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,120
back.
Wouldn't that be wild?

564
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,120
Which is just.
Honestly, with all we know about

565
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,240
the industry now, would you be
surprised, Brad?

566
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Not even in the slightest.
Not even in the slightest if

567
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,560
they just like put 1 barrel,
paid for one barrel to be on the

568
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,520
ship and then blended that with
2000 other barrels.

569
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,520
Yeah, they just, like, took a
rolling cart and walked it

570
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,480
across a ship that's docked
somewhere.

571
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,360
They're like it.
It was on the ship, man.

572
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Let's get up to store shelves
now.

573
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Jefferson's We're not trying to
impugn your bread.

574
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,640
I I believe what you say.
I I was going to say we 100%

575
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,320
believe you.
We just yeah, this bottle for

576
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,240
me, Brad, not worth it.
I would like to try that 10 that

577
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920
you you drank at some point.
I think this would be good at

578
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,000
cast strength, but for this
version I'm only coming out to a

579
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,200
30 out of 50I.
Was going to say I am coming to

580
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,120
a 37 out of 50.
I liked this whiskey, just not

581
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,120
at $100 price point.
So that brings us to an average

582
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,720
of just a 67 out of 100 or a
33.5 out of 50.

583
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,680
So this is sitting right below
the mark where we typically

584
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,160
start recommending.
Listen, I'll say this.

585
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,640
If you're intrigued by the idea
of whiskey that is aged at sea,

586
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
I don't think it's like
exorbitantly expensive.

587
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,840
I think it's worth trying a pour
at the bar.

588
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,320
You're probably going to be set
back, you know, 12 to 15 bucks

589
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,640
for a pour of this.
But like just to be able to tell

590
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,200
your buddy that doesn't drink
whiskey how they make this, it's

591
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,040
a fun little experiment.
Yeah, it really is.

592
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,200
The there's a lot of different
gimmicks in the world of

593
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400
whiskey.
I actually do think that the

594
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,720
Jefferson's Ocean gimmick is
worth investigating and trying

595
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,440
for yourself.
All right, so there you have it,

596
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,320
Reviews of Jefferson's Ocean
Voyage 10 and 23.

597
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,960
Brad, what do you say we get
back to Captain Phillips?

598
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:14,600
Dude, what a movie.
All right, everybody.

599
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:19,520
Those were two expressions of
Jefferson's Ocean, a whiskey

600
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,920
that has been making waves in
the wide world of spirits for a

601
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,040
while now.
And I I think that if you find

602
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,400
the right voyage, it can be
worth it.

603
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,760
It.
Is really funny, man.

604
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,320
We've been doing this podcast
long enough that I can remember

605
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,239
when, like, yes, Weller has
always been in demand by the

606
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,159
taters, but Jefferson's was
really popular among the taters

607
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,320
for a long time.
And then all of a sudden it was

608
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,120
just like everyone moved off of
Jefferson's.

609
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,480
So I feel like you can find this
everywhere now if you like it,

610
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,719
you know, it's a cool story.
It's just apparently not.

611
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,240
Doesn't have the Buffalo Trace
marketing team behind it.

612
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,720
Yeah, it's funny, man.
The the first time I ever had a

613
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:10,600
voyage of Jefferson's Ocean, the
story was about how a cargo

614
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,480
ship, like lost a crate off the
side of the ship that was full

615
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,480
of rubber duckies.
And that like, literally like

616
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,320
almost a billion rubber duckies
got released into the Pacific

617
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,440
Ocean.
And the boat carrying the

618
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,320
Jefferson's whiskey, like
floated through this sea of

619
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,720
rubber duckies.
And I'm like, you know, like you

620
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,640
just don't get stories like that
when you're drinking whiskey

621
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,920
from other brands.
So like, yeah, it's a it's a

622
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,320
fun, unique premise on what you
are drinking out of the bottle.

623
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,240
Is this movie better or worse
with a floating island of rubber

624
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,480
duckies as like another obstacle
they have to navigate?

625
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,200
Immensely better.
It's like the Life of Pi when

626
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,560
they're when they're floating
and.

627
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
But, but instead it's a Somali
pirate movie.

628
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,320
Yeah.
And there's rubber duckies

629
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,120
everywhere.
And it's like, are are the ducks

630
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,680
actually real?
Is it?

631
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,600
Is it symbolism, Bob?
All right man, we need to get

632
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,600
back on track.
It's time for our favorite game

633
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,680
that we play each week.
It's called 2 Facts and a

634
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,560
Falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

635
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,080
you, Bob.
All right and what is wrong?

636
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,880
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts
and a Falsehood is the part of

637
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,280
the show where Brad presents me
with three items as fact about

638
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,320
the making of this movie, one of
which is a complete lie.

639
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Brad, I I don't think we're
counting this toward my season

640
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,400
total because then we'd end up
with 34 entries after cruise

641
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,520
miss.
So this is going to be this is

642
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800
going to be a one off and I'm
excited to see where it goes.

643
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,240
I was thinking about guessing in
the blind, but that's no fun.

644
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,280
So let's you've done, you've
done the legwork.

645
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,320
Let's let's hear your two facts
and a falsehood.

646
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Fact #1 As the pirates approach
the Maersk Alabama for the first

647
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,120
time, the camera focuses on a
pirate putting a chewing

648
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,320
substance into his mouth.
This is Cot, which is a plant

649
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,840
that grows on the Horn of Africa
and has active ingredients of

650
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,800
caffeine and caffeinone, which
are alkaloids similar to cocoa,

651
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,240
caffeine and nicotine.
Fact #2 Director Paul Greengrass

652
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,680
was a member of the British
Royal Navy, serving on the HMS

653
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,000
Lancaster.
He worked as a mass

654
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,240
communications specialist,
filming and editing promotional

655
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:31,120
materials for the Navy.
Fact #3 The scene filmed in the

656
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,880
Combat Information Center, where
a sailor writes Seat 15

657
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,040
backwards on the status board,
was improvised.

658
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Cinematographer Barry Akroyd
noted that the chief Petty

659
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,120
Officer practiced writing
backwards when not filming and

660
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,520
asked him to repeat it for the
film.

661
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,920
The act of writing backwards in
the Navy has gone away in recent

662
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,800
years since the onset of
technology has put all available

663
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,840
information on electronic status
boards.

664
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,040
Wow, I'm I'm deciding between
2:00 and 3:00.

665
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:06,960
Those sounded the fakest to me.
I don't know if that if either

666
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,200
one of them is actually true.
And the first one I believe is

667
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,080
true because if you watched the
movie with subtitles like I did,

668
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,040
then they they ask for, I
believe it's called caught,

669
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,240
right?
Like one of them says like, hey,

670
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,920
give me some of that.
So I'm going to say that's true

671
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:28,600
#3 sounds made-up except for the
extent of detail you went in

672
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,080
talking about it.
Like you added, if you made that

673
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,600
up, then God bless you because
that like that was you could

674
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,280
have made that two sentences
long and it was really long.

675
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,240
Yeah.
Which makes me think 2 is the

676
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,280
falsehood.
I don't know anything about Paul

677
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,080
Greengrass aside from just like
the movies of his that I've

678
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,240
watched so I don't know.
He has kind of like long hippie

679
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:53,920
ish hair which makes me think
maybe he was never a military

680
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,680
man but who freaking knows.
Have you ever met military guys

681
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,200
who served in Vietnam?
That's true man.

682
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,040
I'm going to say 2 is the
falsehood, but I would not be

683
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:09,760
surprised if it's three.
Bob, you are 100% correct on

684
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,520
this 2 facts and the falsehood.
Happy Thanksgiving.

685
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,760
Happy Thanksgiving to me man,
and Christmas has come in soon,

686
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,280
Brad, so get ready for that.
Well dude, I'm so pumped for

687
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,560
Christmas this year.
I'm a big fan of Christmas,

688
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,600
especially with little kids.
It's just fun.

689
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,240
I was about to say my well soon
to be 4 year old in literally a

690
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:34,440
few days she will be 4 at like
we're finally going to start the

691
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,840
tradition of like bringing the
mattresses out and sleeping next

692
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,120
to the Christmas tree.
You teased this last year.

693
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,800
Did you guys not end up doing it
last year?

694
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,480
We didn't do it last year.
She was still kind of young and

695
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,920
you know, we, we just figured
it'd be better to wait.

696
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,240
But this year it's like, all
right, we are all in.

697
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,960
We're ready to do this.
We're going to watch Charlie

698
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,720
Brown Christmas.
It's going to be great.

699
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,840
Super excited for Christmas this
year.

700
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
I love how in the middle of our
Thanksgiving episode, we're

701
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,120
already we're already looking
ahead.

702
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,400
We've got a Turkey to eat, man.
All right, where did?

703
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,280
OK, let's let's kind of wrap
things up today.

704
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,920
We loved this movie.
I think for me, this was a

705
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,480
really solid, like 7 1/2 movie,
mostly because it was just kind

706
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,680
of procedural.
Like it was just like, hey,

707
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,640
here's what happened and you're
going to watch every step of the

708
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,640
way.
Masterfully done.

709
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,560
But it wasn't until that ending
that I think the real power of

710
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,160
the movie comes through.
Well, and that's what I talked

711
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:35,000
about in my like little opening
line was that this is a movie

712
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,720
that is not necessarily about
any individual part, but it's

713
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:46,280
about how to build tension over
the long burn of a two hour and

714
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,640
10 minute movie.
Like, I think that's where this

715
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,560
movie shines is like, yes, it's
all procedural and the tension

716
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,280
of that first chase scene is
erased because you know, they're

717
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,040
going to get on eventually.
And and once they're on board,

718
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,720
you're like, OK, you know, you
kind of have an idea of where

719
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,040
this is going.
For me.

720
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,720
Once they got onto the lifeboat,
that's when the tension just got

721
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:17,040
ratcheted up like noticeably and
never stopped growing till the

722
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,720
end of the film.
There is a part of me that like,

723
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,320
I just think it was kind of
funny the way the crew was just

724
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,400
like, no, I can't, don't do
that.

725
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,000
No, come back.
It's like you guys are freaking

726
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,760
useless man.
Yeah.

727
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,840
Dude, OK, let's kind of wrap up
our conversation about the movie

728
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,840
today.
And in order to do that, we have

729
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,920
to get to our final segment,
which we call let's make it a

730
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,720
double.
We're near the end of the

731
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,360
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

732
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Let's have another film with
this one, even if it's

733
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,320
struggling.
It's the final segment of the

734
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,800
day.
Now let's make it a double.

735
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,520
Let's Make It a Double is
presented by Blackwood

736
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,040
Distilling Company.
This is the part of the show

737
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
where we pick a movie to pair up
with this one to make the

738
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,040
perfect double feature.
Brad, I think there's a number

739
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,120
of directions you can go.
One of my favorite elements of

740
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,160
this movie, you know, once the
mechanics of the film kick in,

741
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,480
they don't dwell on it much
longer.

742
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,400
But it's just the kind of like,
we are here to do a job.

743
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,520
I didn't sign up for this.
Like, I'm just a guy who's been

744
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,120
thrown into these circumstances,
and I don't like it.

745
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,920
And I think that's one of the
stronger scenes in the movie

746
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,040
featuring the crew is when
they're making that complaint

747
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,160
known.
And it brought to mind a couple

748
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,640
films, both maritime oriented,
one of which is called Deepwater

749
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,560
Horizon.
It's a Mark Wahlberg movie that

750
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,360
is really, really good.
It's about an oil rig disaster,

751
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,640
another true story.
I think you could go that

752
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,760
direction, or I think you could
go with one of my favorite other

753
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,680
Mark Wahlberg movies, a movie
from the early 2000s called The

754
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Perfect Storm, which is another
movie about just guys at sea

755
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,880
trying to do their job facing
these extraordinary

756
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,480
circumstances.
So I actually don't know which

757
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,560
one I want to pick, man.
I'll make it a triple and I'm

758
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,280
going to go with Deepwater
Horizon and The Perfect Storm.

759
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,440
Well, if you follow Bob's
advice, you're going to be

760
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,320
watching movies for about 9
hours.

761
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,400
I think that I would pair this
with a movie that I honestly

762
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:25,360
have not seen since oh man, I
was probably like a 12 to 14

763
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,680
year old, maybe like 14 to 16
year old.

764
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,160
I remember watching the modern
and older version of The Taking

765
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,200
of Pelham 123 and I liked both
of those versions.

766
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,080
So I'm going to recommend that
you watch either one of them,

767
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:46,360
maybe not both.
The older 1974 version has a 7.6

768
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,080
on IMDb.
The modern version with Denzel

769
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:57,760
and John Travolta has a 6.4.
So you do with that what you

770
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,160
will.
But I, I think that you could

771
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,520
watch either of those films.
Actually, now that I'm realizing

772
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,880
it, Bob, there's another great
movie you could watch.

773
00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:08,680
Well, not.
Not necessarily.

774
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,640
A great movie, a great pairing.
I think Dog Day Afternoon might

775
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,840
be a good pairing with this.
I like how you started this by

776
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,280
saying man, Bob recommended a
total of 3 movies.

777
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,840
That's too many.
Now you've recommended 4.

778
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,880
So yeah, there you go folks,
that we've recommended enough

779
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,520
movies to last you from now
until Christmas, and then we'll

780
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,120
just be good to go.
A. 100% and then you can watch

781
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Home alone and you'll just be
happy.

782
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,080
If there's anything else you
could pair it with, there is a

783
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:41,040
fantastic episode of South Park
called Fat Beard that came out

784
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,000
in the wake of this movie where
Eric Cartman hears about the

785
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,640
Somalian pirates and and wants
to be a pirate.

786
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,440
And so he shows up in Somalia
dressed as like Jack Sparrow and

787
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,440
wants to be a pirate.
He sings a little song.

788
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,880
It's very funny.
I'll have to send that to you

789
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:01,920
after the episode, Brad.
I would love, love to watch

790
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,600
that.
All right, let's give this movie

791
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,880
some final scores.
I think that this is, I can see

792
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,120
an 8 1/2.
I could see an 8 for this movie.

793
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,920
The ending is just so good, man.
But but there are a few bumps in

794
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,960
the road along the way, so I'm
going to land at an 8 out of 10

795
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,000
on Captain Phillips.
I think I was a little higher

796
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,000
than you on the initial portion
of the movie.

797
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,160
And both you and I are at like
10 out of 10 for that, that last

798
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,040
little bit.
I, I think I'm going to land a

799
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,880
little higher.
I'm going to give it a nine out

800
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,840
of 10.
I I think for me it was sitting

801
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,280
at an 8, maybe 8 1/2.
And then the final scene

802
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,680
happened and I was like, Oh
yeah, this is truly a beautiful

803
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,720
movie in the most sad ways
possible.

804
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,680
So.
So yeah, 99 out of 10 for me,

805
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,200
Bob.
All right, so we're landing at

806
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,600
an average of an 8.5 out of 10,
but we'd like to know what you

807
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,080
think.
Is Captain Phillips worthy of

808
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,600
being called a modern classic?
Actually, Brad, yes or no?

809
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,320
Modern classic.
I think I'd say yes,

810
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,880
specifically because if you are
looking for a master class in in

811
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,400
how to raise the stakes in
tension, like he does it in so

812
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,040
many different ways with the
music, the camera work, the

813
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,680
sound design, like it just grows
in intensity so, so well, Yeah,

814
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,160
I think it's deserving of that
moniker.

815
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,520
I think it's like just outside
of that for me, like really good

816
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,560
movie.
But if I had to make my list of

817
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,520
all time, you know, 21st century
classics, it probably just

818
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,800
misses the cut.
But folks, this is something you

819
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,640
can tell us who's wrong about.
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820
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,960
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821
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,640
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Or you can jump on the Discord

822
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,080
where we are talking every
single day about Turkey and

823
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:58,320
stuffing and dressing and all
all of the beauties of eating in

824
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,720
America.
If you want to join that

825
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,840
conversation, you can find a
link at the end of any one of

826
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,560
our show notes.
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827
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,160
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828
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829
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831
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,800
Brad, we will be back next week
with our regularly scheduled

832
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,640
programming and I believe we're
going to be looking at one of

833
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,240
your favorite films of the last
15 or so years, it's 2016's La

834
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,720
La Land.
Oh, I'm really excited for that,

835
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:36,320
Bob.
Perhaps some more appropriate

836
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,880
Thanksgiving movie than this
one, but.

837
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,600
But that's.
OK, definitely not.

838
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,920
Join us for La La Land next
Tuesday, but until then, I'm Bob

839
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,320
Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

840
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,840
And we'll see you next time.