Frozen / Ezra Brooks Distiller's Collection Bourbon (250th Movie!)

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In 2012, the Disney Empire
marches on with an icy

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exploration of what true love
really consists of.

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In 2024, we kick things up a
notch with an extra spicy high

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rye bourbon.
The film.

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Do I have to say it, Bob?
I I believe you do, Brad.

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I think the people need to know
what we're watching today.

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We're watching frozen people,
frozen people.

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I would watch that movie.
That sounds dope.

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It's the sequel to Snowpiercer.
The whiskey is Ezra Brooks

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Distillers Collection and we'll
review them both.

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This is the Film and Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm drinking so much beer

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tonight, Bob.
Brad, it sounds like you don't

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want to be here today.
Nope.

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You know what's funny?
I.

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Blame.
I blame you, Yeah.

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I mean, you, you should.
For years and years, Brad, we

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have been talking about our
mutual distaste for this film.

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I have not watched the movie
Frozen in, I don't know, 7-8

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years.
Like it's been a minute since I

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watched.
It I haven't watched it in a

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decade.
Yeah, probably around that for

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me.
And I was thinking, you know

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what, like I am sure that having
watched a great deal of mediocre

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children's films since entering
my 30s and having kids, that

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this movie is not as bad as I
remember it being.

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And folks, let me tell you, my
opinion on this film has not

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changed one darn bit.
That's what I like to hear.

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So it sounds like you're
drinking beer on our whiskey

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podcast to get yourself through.
Yeah, frozen.

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Frozen doesn't deserve whiskey.
Let.

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Me tell you what I'm doing.
It's 8:00 PM at the time of

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recording.
I brewed myself a cup of decaf

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coffee and I am eating a
powdered sugar doughnut.

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Wait, are you telling me that
you you turned into the fat cop

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from the Santa Claus?
Yes, both.

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Both him and an 80 year old man.
OK, I I love it.

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Man, you know what, let me let
me sidetrack us immediately here

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Brad.
We were at my in laws house.

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They had a dozen doughnuts on
the table and they had already

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picked through what they wanted
and they said, you know these

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are a day old now take what you
want home and the rest is going

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to the squirrels.
And I said, I will be darned if

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I let the squirrels eat a cream
stick that's like the Cadillac

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of doughnuts.
Like, I'm taking that home with

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me.
So I'm eating a powdered sugar

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cream stick.
And as we were talking about

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doughnuts, I had to remind them
of something we learned, Brad,

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when we lived in Kentucky.
Did you ever purchase doughnuts

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for yourself when you lived in
Kentucky?

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I yes Bob, I I have purchased
doughnuts.

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OK, well, like, I didn't know if
you were a doughnut family.

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I had a shocking realization,
which, you know, the cream

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stick, which is a staple of
Ohio's diet, I feel like is

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known as a long John.
In other parts of the country,

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and especially in Kentucky, they
call it a long John.

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They do not fill their long
Johns with cream.

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It is an unfilled doughnut.
It's just a freaking loaf of

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bread.
It's like an unsliced hot dog

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bun that they slap some frosting
on top of.

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I can't like and we started
talking about is that just a

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Kentucky thing or is or is Ohio
in the minority in filling them?

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And so I have to know film and
Whiskey Nation before we start

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A, do you understand what I'm
talking about when I say Long

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John and B locally to you?
Are they filled with cream or is

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that just a delicacy that is
unique to Ohio 'cause it feels

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like these should have filling
in them, Brad. 100% Bob.

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Lack of filling is unacceptable.
I will say I'm going to keep us

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sidetracked.
I I love a good cream filled

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doughnut.
Long Johns, whatever you want to

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call them, they are very
delicious because they're

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doughnuts.
I'm I'm a little more of a

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Boston cream kind of guy.
Oh, you're the custard type.

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I love the custard filling man,
it is delicious.

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I feel like when you get the
Boston cream filling at like a

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grocery store doughnut, though,
it's just vanilla pudding.

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Like it's not really Boston
cream.

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It's just like they took a snack
pack off the shelf and they were

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like, yeah, use the Turkey
baster and you know what I mean?

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Like it.
It just doesn't feel quite right

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to me.
That might be the best mental

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image I've.
Ever had.

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All right, Brett.
Well, now that we've gotten

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completely sidetracked, I guess
I'll say one more thing.

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In the past week, my beloved
film from last year, Godzilla -1

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dropped on Netflix.
Surprisingly, it was.

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It was unannounced.
I was going to ask if you had

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gotten around to watching it
yet.

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I had dude, you should be so
proud of me.

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I, as a movie connoisseur, I had
no idea that that happened.

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You really need to watch it.
It is.

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It is significantly better than
the film Frozen.

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We could have, in fact, just
talked about that today.

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I'm going to do your favorite
thing in the world and I'm going

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to watch it on my phone.
I don't even care how you watch

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it, it's so good.
I would stake my reputation on

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it still being good on a phone.
Not ideal, but still good.

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There it is.
All right, Brad.

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Let's start talking about
Frozen.

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And in order to do that, we need
to get into our first segment of

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the day, which we call, Brad
explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and hear your take with

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this little segment that we
call, Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the film that he has
just seen, often for the first

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time.
This is obviously not Brad's

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first time watching it, but it
might be his second time

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watching it 'cause it sounds
like he has been adamantly

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opposed to revisiting it.
Oh yeah, I have never watched

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this.
All right, so tell me a little

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bit of your history with the
movie, Brad.

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Like, I mean, A, it's a very
short history, but B, like,

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where were you when you saw it?
Why did it?

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Why did you have such a visceral
reaction to it?

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Why do you still feel this way
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Oh, man, I honestly, why do I
have such a visceral reaction?

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That's a great question, Bob.
Is it because you're a sexist

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chauvinist?
Pig.

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Yes it is.
How did you know?

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Man, we got right to the bottom
of that.

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I didn't even have to pull that
out of you.

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All right.
Good episode, good podcast.

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Yeah, that we're packing it in
now.

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I don't really know.
That might be the last thing we

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say.
I don't know what there else

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where else there is to go.
I watched this with my soon to

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be wife.
We were engaged at the time and

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I believe two of her friends.
We watched it while she was

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still at Malone University way
way back in the day.

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Why did I hate it so much?
It sucks.

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Josh Gad gives a great
performance for a different

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movie and it it doesn't make any
sense in Frozen.

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The there's just so much
happening.

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And here's the thing, Bob, I'm
I'm going to blasphemy.

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Are you ready for this?
Please?

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This movie is upon credits
rolling one hour and 32 minutes

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long.
It it needs to be 20 minutes

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longer.
It needs to be 20 minutes

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longer.
I like, if only so that it could

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slow down a little bit and just
like, let everything breathe.

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Like or just develop.
Yeah, I'm with you.

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Man, like here's, here's the
wild thing.

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Pixar takes 10 minutes.
Not even really.

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It's like 6 or 7 minutes of the
montage for them to like fly

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through an entire couple's life
and take you through all the ups

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and downs of of infertility and
cancer and death and all like

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all these things.
And yet at the end of it you

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don't feel like you just got
thrown through the freaking meat

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grinder of information and plot
development.

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And like Frozen is the exact
opposite.

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Yes, it feels like this movie is
all plot, but that none of it

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connects to each other.
Like it just, I don't know what

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storyline to follow.
I don't know what developments

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are necessary.
And we're we're getting off base

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from, Brad explains.
We're going to jump into why we

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actually don't like this movie.
And it's not going to just be

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like two guys hating on the
movie that all the little girls

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liked because this was a really
important movie to a lot of

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people 10 years ago.
Brad, I, I just have very strong

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feelings about how it does not
work.

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So in order to get there, we
have to get through, Brad

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explains.
You have one minute on the clock

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to break down the plot of the
movie with full spoilers.

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Folks, if you have avoided
Frozen for this long, honestly,

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hats off to you.
Like, yeah, this, this movie was

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inescapable for you, clearly.
Don't have children?

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All right, dude, one minute and
go.

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Frozen is a film about man.
I don't want to do this.

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I'm like, trying to get myself
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All right?
Frozen follows these two

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princesses and Arendelle and
their parents are idiots and die

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on a boat and isolate their
children and keep them from

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experiencing what life is all
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And because of that, the one
older daughter has ice powers

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and she's a danger to society.
And when she gets coordinated as

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queen, she freaks out because
Anna's an idiot and wants to

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marry some dude right off the
bat.

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And she shows off her ice powers
and everybody's like, we found a

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witch.
May we burn her.

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And she runs off into the woods
and the mountains and is like,

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I'm a build an ice castle.
And then her sister's like, Hey,

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I love you.
Get your freaking butt back down

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here and fix all the crap that
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And and then the dude she fell
in love with is a bad guy and

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Elsa almost kills Anna and and
then she doesn't because Anna

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sacrifices herself for Elsa.
And it's it's, it's the only

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good part of the movie.
Boom.

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OK, so that's Frozen.
I love that you are already so

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opposed to the film that you
won't even pronounce her name.

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Anna.
You're just like, no, it's Anna.

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This is this is the film that I
watched.

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From Ohio, man, it's Anna.
I have my critique for this

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film, Brad broken down into a
well organized outline and with

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subheadings and everything else.
Because there are so many

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different areas of this movie
that I feel like fall short.

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And I think the best place to
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this blanket statement that none
of the characters motivations

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make sense, none of the plot
devices make sense.

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None of this movie feels like it
logically flows from the

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preceding scenes.
And perhaps nowhere better to

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start than at the very beginning
of the film because I just don't

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like what the hell is going on
in this movie, Brad.

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So it starts with this kind of
cool.

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Go ahead, go ahead.
I would.

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Say, can I be honest with you,
man?

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Yeah, I think, I think the
opening I see it is great.

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Yeah, well, so it's like, it's
so good.

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Two back-to-back, cool sounding
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The first thing you hear is that
chant, which which is

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interesting because like.
So I guess ostensibly this movie

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happens somewhere in
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Like it.
It seems that way, although.

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They say the word fjord.
They.

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Do but then the name of the
country is Arendelle which is

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very clearly French influenced
so I don't know, maybe they live

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in the Swiss Alps.
Anyway, they start chanting in

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this kind of like not Western
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And I don't know if it's just
like it if the songwriters were

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trying to tap into like ancient
musical patterns of that region,

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but it sounds more like
something you would hear at the

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beginning.
Like it.

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It sounded like music from The
Lion King, if I'm being frank.

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That like, Nah.
I was kind of thinking a preview

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for Moana.
Yeah, it's a little more, yes.

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OK.
So we'll just say it sounds like

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it comes from somewhere where
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Scandinavia because like, let's
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So that threw me off.
And then it starts with this ice

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cutting chance that all the men
are singing.

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Also kind of cool.
I liked that scene a lot.

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I thought I had some of the best
animation in the whole movie.

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And then you immediately get
thrust into this magical world

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of trolls and it immediately is
like, I don't understand where

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we are, what we're doing.
What are the rules of this

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Kingdom are the like, do people
know the trolls?

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Like what what's going on?
And I guess that's the.

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You needed a you needed a 10
minute back story on the trolls,

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didn't you?
Honestly, yeah, like please,

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just a narration like something.
Yeah.

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And I guess that's my opening
question to you is like what's

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going on here, Brad?
Oh, man.

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So here's here's my other
question.

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Rapunzel and her boyfriend
Eugene make an appearance in

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this movie, right?
You did?

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Oh.
Man I should have done that.

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My 2 facts in the falsehood.
As the gates open at the start

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of the movie and Anna is running
out of the gates, you see them

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walking into the castle.
Oh cool, which?

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Means that this is the same
universe as them and like magic

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is a very clearly established
thing in this world.

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So why is everybody freaking the
F out when they see their queen,

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their new queen using ice magic?
Yeah.

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So that's.
What's?

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What's going?
On they don't set expectations

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well, so you, you get your first
glimpse of Elsa and Anna as

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small children.
And Elsa has magic powers that

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are just there already, like you
don't see her attain them.

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They, she was born with them and
they sneak off into like this

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Great Hall at night.
And she's like, do the magic, do

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the magic.
And she starts doing magic.

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And you know, by no fault of her
own, she accidentally injuries

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her sister and they go visit the
trolls and Brad, I, I wish that

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I had just looked up on IMDb
when the first trolls movie came

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out 'cause it was around this
time and the character design's

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very similar.
So someone's copying off of

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somebody.
Oh, 100%.

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They go visit the trolls, and
the trolls are like, oh, yeah,

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of course.
Like, there's ice in her mind.

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OK, sure.
And and they're like, you know,

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you got to do a better job of
training her to use this magic.

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And the dad's like, no, I'll do
you one better.

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We're going to protect her.
We're going to go back to the

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castle and we're going to fire
everybody so no one comes in

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contact with her.
And we're going to keep her

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locked in a room.
And they just cut back to the

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main troll.
And he's like, dude, that is not

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what I suggested at at all.
Nope, not at all.

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And so it launches immediately
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Do you want to build a snowman?
And you, you start to understand

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the strained relationship that
the two have because they are

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literally like Harry pottering
their child, like she's like

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living in a locked room forever.
And and you start to get this

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mantra that the parents are
teaching her, which is conceal

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it.
Don't feel it.

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Don't let it show, which is
first of all, like the most

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contrived thing to teach your
child to say.

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Like they should have just said
like, hide it or we're all we're

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all gonna die.
Like that's that's pretty like

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this.
I feel like that's a little more

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accurate to what's going on.
I don't know, man.

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That's then that's how the movie
starts.

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And then they're just like, OK,
I think it's time for us to go

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die now.
And they just do they just go

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off.
I don't know where they're

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going.
I don't know what they're doing.

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They just get on a ship together
and they just die.

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And then they're like, and
that's the prologue to the

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movie.
That's it, ma'am.

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Don't you feel satisfied now?
Compare this to up a couple of

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weeks ago where you have an
entire self-contained story that

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also inflects upon and
influences the story that's to

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come.
This doesn't tell any coherent

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narrative.
It's just a bunch of different

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plot developments that are
happening parallel to each other

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and then a fade out.
And then you're kind of

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wondering, like, how are they
going to cross all these paths

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together?
How do these things influence

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each other?
Where are we going from here?

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And I don't think the movie ever
successfully brings all those

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threads together to tell one
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Brad.
No.

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I've been talking a lot.
Please say.

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Please say something.
You, you have been talking a lot

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and you've been speaking the
most sense you've ever spoken in

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your life by the so much of this
movie just rolls upon itself

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like, like Olaf rolling down the
hill.

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And it, it all builds up into
this critical mass of fluff.

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And and that's the problem with
this film is that at its core,

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this film is about the true,
deep, abiding love that siblings

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ought to have for one another
and Anna has for Elsa, but that

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gets lost constantly and it it
gets thrown to the side and

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you're much more worried about
these silly trolls or Olaf being

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ridiculous.
The the songs don't.

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I'm trying to think, I feel like
maybe three of the songs really

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make sense for what's happening
in the movie.

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So many of the songs are just
throw away like, well, wouldn't

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it, wouldn't it be funny if a if
a snowman was obsessed with

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summer and then sang about it
for 4 minutes And, and, and it

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just doesn't work because the at
its core, this movie has a great

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storyline.
I absolutely love the storyline

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of Anna loving on Elsa, no
matter the cost to herself like

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that.
That's a beautiful story.

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And really I, there's a part of
me that looks at it almost, I

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don't know this, this is
probably reading too deeply into

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it, but it, it almost feels like
I don't know if I should say

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this.
It, it feels kind of to me like

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Elsa is a bit of an addict, that
she becomes addicted.

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I mean, I mean, in the film she
literally says it like to

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herself, like, I'm not going to
care about any of my

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responsibilities.
I'm not going to care about

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anything going down in the Lower
Kingdom.

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I'm only going to be with myself
now.

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And obviously she changes that
and moves on.

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But but for Anna, it's this
journey into the depths of her

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addicted sister's madness as
she's trying to bring her back

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and it is her love that saves
her in the end.

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Tell me that's not a great,
great story, Bob.

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It is.
And if I can jump off from

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there, because you've said like
8 things that I want to comment

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on.
But but let's go back to the the

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first point that you were
making, which is I think the

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overarching point.
Like if if the sister's love for

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her sister is the heart of this
movie, then they sure do a bad

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job of underlining that because
it is so, so pushed to the side

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so early on that by the time it
comes back at the very end of

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the movie, as this is what it
was about all along, you go.

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Oh, OK, I guess.
Yeah.

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Like that was kind of there.
But by the end of the film,

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Elsa.
Is Anna's like fourth or fifth

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most important relationship?
Like she has learned essentially

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to have healthy relationships
beyond Elsa with all of these

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other people and magical
creatures.

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By the time she actually, like,
sacrifices herself for Elsa at

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the end of the film, it's like,
oh, OK, like, I guess we could

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end there.
But you did a really bad job of

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leaving the trail of bread
crumbs to this moment.

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And I think honestly, Brad, the
where they start to get off

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track is in their development of
these two characters from the

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very beginning.
I think dramatically speaking,

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Elsa is obviously the more
compelling character because

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she's she's the one struggling
with this thing, this magic

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thing.
It's really intriguing.

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But because it's Disney, you're
not going to make her the lead

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of the movie.
You have to have some other kind

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of audience surrogate that's
like the window into Elsa's

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world.
And you know, I keep thinking

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about a movie that I like more
than you, but I think we both

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like significantly more than
this movie.

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And it's the Hunchback of Notre
Dame.

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Like Elsa is the Quasimodo of
this movie.

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A.
Very beautiful Quasimodo.

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Just a gorgeous hunchback and
she goes off and does her own

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thing in the bell tower.
Right.

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But quasi Quasimodo story is is
more compelling, but I feel like

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the the Disneyfication of these
two stories is like we can't

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it's it's too dark and it's too
advanced for what we want this

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movie to be.
So Anna becomes our heroine, and

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that's fine.
The thing is with Anna, though,

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man, I'm gonna make make you mad
with this comparison.

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But a few weeks ago I talked
about how Spielberg's like my

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favorite director, but he kind
of paved the way for the MCU.

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And I think that, yes, a movie
that you really like that came

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out four years prior to this
called Tangled, was one of the

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first Disney films where the
Princess heroine character

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wasn't just like your classic
Disney Princess ingenue.

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Like, they're always green,
right?

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They're always young and
impressionable.

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But she had this kind of like,
I'm the awkward girl.

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Like I'm, I'm not fully formed
yet and I'm a little bit funny

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because I'm clumsy and things
like that.

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Whereas, you know, Belle wasn't
like that.

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Even Ariel to some extent wasn't
like that.

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And I think they took that and
ran with it for this movie.

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And this was like in the peak of
Manic Pixie Dream girl, like

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Zooey Deschanel, 500 Days of
summer type leading ladies.

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And I feel like, dude, they go
so overboard with Anna just

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being like, oh, oh, I stand here
OK.

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I wouldn't even know where to
stand 'cause I'm so awkward.

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And like, it's just, it was like
nails on chalkboard for half the

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movie.
I can't, like I just cannot

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abide them making their lead
character such an idiot for so

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much of the movie.
Like I can't, I can't stand

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these characters, dude.
I want Anna and like, she is a

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badass at points and she has
agency and she's smart and you

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know, like her, her ability to
trust people is her downfall.

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But that's also her virtue.
And like lean into that, make

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her a little bit more, I don't
know, root horrible because I

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can't do it with how you're
portraying her in the early

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parts of this movie.
Dude, that's that's absolutely

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wild because Otto was actually
probably one of the few

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characters I liked in this
movie.

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I I'm not totally in
disagreement with you that she's

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kind of a manic Pixie dream
Anna, but she's at least an

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enjoyable one that like there's
there's other films where it

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doesn't work as well, like a
Elizabethtown.

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I I think that it works here.
Why do I think it works here?

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I don't know.
I think it works.

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Sometimes that's all you can say
is like, yeah, it just worked

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for me this time around.
I do think the extent to which

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it works is because Kristen Bell
does a really good job with the

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voice acting.
I was about to say, I think it's

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because Kristen Bell gives the
character a depth at the end of

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the film that qualifies the rest
of who she is.

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Like there's character growth by
the end of the movie, but like,

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as she is facing death, you can
tell that she begins to move

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beyond who she once was.
And I, I think that's that's why

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I, I enjoy her as a character.
She doesn't stay where she's at.

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Yeah, I totally agree.
I do want to talk about Elsa,

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but I think in order to do that,
we got it.

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We kind of have to start talking
about the music of this movie

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because Elsa's big moment
obviously is let it go.

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And man, let it go is such a
it's such a weird topic to talk

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about.
So I kind of want to broaden it

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and talk about the music in
general.

448
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:18,760
This soundtrack went absolutely
bananas on the charts in 2013,

449
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,560
2014.
Like people were buying this

450
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,120
like crazy.
And, you know, a few years ago

451
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,040
in Kanto, I feel like kind of
took off.

452
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320
But it it never got to the level
of Frozen.

453
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,040
Frozen was the most popular
thing I'd seen from Disney since

454
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,120
probably The Lion King.
And I just to this day, I've

455
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:38,400
been trying to piece together
what is it about this soundtrack

456
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,080
that appeals to people so much?
But I think when you're just

457
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,880
watching it in the context of
the movie itself and Brad,

458
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,320
you've already started talking
about this, it's kind of a

459
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,800
muddled mess because none of the
songs are really designed to

460
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,320
specifically address what's
happening in the movie.

461
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,720
No, it's not talking about the
story that's being told.

462
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,280
It's, I don't know, telling
ancillary little bits of

463
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,720
information like, I don't know,
like we don't need a 4 minute

464
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,720
background on this newly formed
and life breathed into character

465
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,040
Olaf.
And we don't need to know his

466
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,760
motivation for going on
vacation, right?

467
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,560
We're in the middle of important
things here, guys.

468
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,440
Come on.
Like, come on.

469
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,520
I think that this soundtrack is
one of the first ones from

470
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Disney that shield away from
that old like Howard Ashman

471
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,280
style of writing songs.
You know, we talked about Beauty

472
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,600
and the Beast and how that's our
favorite soundtrack.

473
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,080
And it's because the songs are
so specific to what's happening

474
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,880
in that movie.
Even the the I want song of

475
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,320
Belle where she's just I want
adventure in the great wide

476
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,800
open.
That's not like a song you put

477
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,600
on the radio.
It is very specific to the the

478
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,720
musical style of that movie,
which is much more kind of

479
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,040
classically Broadway and to the
characters of that movie.

480
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,440
Whereas this movie is like they
sat down and they said, we want

481
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,080
every single song in this movie
to get radio play.

482
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,760
We want to be able to put this
on the radio.

483
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,320
And in order to do that, we're
going to write in the vaguest

484
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,400
possible terms so that when
you're watching the movie, what

485
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,880
is coming out of these
characters mouths kind of fits.

486
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,560
Sure.
But then you can also listen to

487
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,680
it in your car and you can apply
it to whatever situation in in

488
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,520
life.
And I was just talking to

489
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,960
somebody about this movie today,
and I said that the soundtrack

490
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,800
reminds me of like the
contemporary Christian worship

491
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,520
music of Disney.
Like it's kind of about Jesus,

492
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,360
but it could also kind of be
about my boyfriend if I wanted

493
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,400
to, because we're talking about
it so vaguely.

494
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,280
And I think that that's what
really frustrates me here.

495
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,160
It's.
Yeah.

496
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,680
It's good pop music.
It's terrible soundtrack to a

497
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,920
musical music.
Yes, I I mean it.

498
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,000
It set the stage for the
Greatest Showman. 100% dude

499
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,400
like.
Yep, every single song in The

500
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,640
Greatest Showman was like how
can we be the most poppy radio

501
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,680
song that the world has ever
seen?

502
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,680
And they all sound the same and
they all suck.

503
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,200
Well, and The thing is, I don't
even care if it's pop music

504
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,040
sounding and not classic
Broadway.

505
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,800
You got to make it address
what's happening in the movie

506
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:20,080
and in both of those movies,
it's not like the movie almost

507
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,360
seems like placeholder visual
stuff for a song that's

508
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,080
completely separate from the
movie.

509
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,680
Yeah, and, and even like the
opening song is the most

510
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:36,000
classical Broadway vibe in my
opinion, and it has nothing to

511
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,200
do with the plot, but I don't
mind it because the plot hasn't

512
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,880
started yet.
And so like the first time

513
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,920
through, that song feels like it
could be the opening song of

514
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,000
Beauty and the Beast, because
we're talking about the culture,

515
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,640
we're talking about the
lifestyle of Arendelle and, and

516
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000
what it means to be an
Arendellian.

517
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,240
And, and it feels like it's
setting up the mythos of the

518
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,000
region.
And and then it's never brought

519
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,640
up, It's never mentioned.
It's never like, you know, you

520
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,320
have bells singing about this
poor provincial town, and then

521
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,560
the poor provincial town takes
up pitchforks and torches and

522
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,440
goes to kill the local beast
like that.

523
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,520
Like it all fits together.
And here it's like, yeah, we cut

524
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,440
ice for a living.
And then that has no impact on

525
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520
any of the characters
whatsoever.

526
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,520
Right, other than a a throwaway
joke where the guy's like, I

527
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,080
sell ice for a living, what am I
supposed to do now, you know?

528
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,160
And yeah, but you don't really
understand the plight of the

529
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,480
people living in the Kingdom.
You're you're absolutely right.

530
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,480
And the music does nothing to
support that.

531
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,440
And I think because the music is
operating in this sort of like

532
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,120
vague pop genre, you get music
that sounds like early 2000's

533
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,880
pop.
You get your classic Céline Dion

534
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,160
style ballad songs.
You get, you know, stuff that

535
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,040
sounds like it should be in
Moana, like it's it's all over

536
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,000
the place.
And I it's funny to me because I

537
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,120
think some of my favorite songs
from the movie are the ones that

538
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,360
fit the least with this movie,
like the the duet that that they

539
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,480
sing at the beginning.
Hans and Anna love is an open

540
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,720
door.
It's great.

541
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,000
It's great because it sounds
like it's from High School

542
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,800
Musical, like it is.
It's like 100% dude.

543
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,880
Like, yeah, I like the song that
the trolls sing, the fixer upper

544
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,840
song, 'cause that sounds like it
should be in Hercules.

545
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,760
It's a completely different
style of music.

546
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,920
It just continually muddles up
this movie because this movie

547
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,880
has no idea what it wants to be
or what it wants to say.

548
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Yeah, I I am with you 100%.
Man, I need to drink whiskey.

549
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,040
Well, hold on, wait.
I'm gonna delay your whiskey for

550
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,720
two seconds.
We've been crapping on this

551
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,080
pretty hard.
And, like, I'm not gonna give it

552
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,040
a high score, but I don't think
that there is, like, nothing to

553
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,200
enjoy or appreciate about this
movie and us both being fans of

554
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,400
the musical.
Brad, what were your favorite

555
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,280
songs in the movie and what did
you like about them?

556
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,480
Oh man, I what were my favorite
songs in the movie?

557
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360
I don't know, Bob.
I don't like the songs in this

558
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,200
movie.
Like I I don't I don't want to

559
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,600
be a Dick.
I just, the only one I really

560
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,760
like is probably the opening
song and and probably the duet.

561
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,640
And the reason I like both of
those is that, hey, the opening

562
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,520
song feels like it's setting
something up even though it

563
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,360
doesn't.
And the duet sets up the

564
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,000
characters.
If there's one thing that this

565
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,640
script does well, it sets up the
character of is it Hans?

566
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,440
He's he's the bad guy, Yeah.
Yep.

567
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,040
I think that it does an
incredible job of setting him up

568
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,200
as a sincere, good hearted good
guy.

569
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,120
Yeah, like, I do think the twist
is really well done because, you

570
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,040
know, what I thought was coming
was she, You know, she gets

571
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,360
stabbed in the heart by her
sister.

572
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:02,680
And then she's like, you got to
kiss me.

573
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,440
It's true love.
You know, I thought it was going

574
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,120
to be the classic Disney thing
of he does kiss her, but it's

575
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,880
not really true love.
And so then she has to go get

576
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,840
whatever the hell his name is to
kiss her, Right?

577
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,720
But instead they're like, hey,
let's make him a murderer.

578
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,600
And I'm like, oh, OK, Like I'm
on board.

579
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Yes, and, and it's so well done
because you're right.

580
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,960
Like you can feel as an audience
member watching the movie that

581
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,360
the kiss isn't going to work,
but you think that it's going to

582
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,480
happen.
And, and that's the, that's the

583
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,200
incredible bit of writing, like,
so I, that I think that's why,

584
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,160
to go back to your question
about the music, I think that's

585
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:45,160
why I like the love is an open
door because it really sets up

586
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:51,400
that childlike teenager first
crush, first love vibe.

587
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,600
And, and once again that, you
know, going back to Anna, like,

588
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,400
I think that's why I like her is
because she starts off as that

589
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,200
1516 year old girl who is just
madly in love with the first set

590
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,760
of beautiful eyes that she sees.
And, and, and he seemingly is

591
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,040
the same way.
And I I like that it's well

592
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,400
done.
All right, man, let's break for

593
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,600
whiskey.
Let's let's cool our jets a

594
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,920
little bit, then we'll come back
and talk about more things we

595
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,600
dislike about the movie Frozen.
What do you say?

596
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

597
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,160
checking out Ezra Brooks
Distillers Collection.

598
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,600
This is a high rye bourbon
whiskey from Lux Roe Distillery.

599
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,040
This is, I believe, our 4th Ezra
Brooks product that we've tried

600
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,360
on the show.
We've tried Ezra Brooks, we've

601
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:47,000
tried Ezra Brooks 99, we've
tried Old Ezra 7 year, and now

602
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,160
we're trying the Distillers
Collection.

603
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,000
It follows roughly the same
pattern as their weeded bourbon

604
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,160
Lion Rebel, which we really,
really love.

605
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,560
I've always been a little bit
more mixed to muted on Ezra

606
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,480
Brooks, Brad, and it might just
be my own preference for I like

607
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,440
weeded bourbon better than high
rye bourbon.

608
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,920
But I'm really hoping that this
distillers collection nails down

609
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,440
for me what the flavor profile
of Ezra Brooks is supposed to,

610
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,360
because for me, Rebel Distillers
collection, I think is the best

611
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,400
thing in that entire line.
Oh bro, far far in a way.

612
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,639
Rebels Distillers collection is
mind blowingly good.

613
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,520
I I like if there's a reason to
go down to the Kentucky Bourbon

614
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,199
Festival every year, it might be
just to buy that for what, 60-70

615
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,159
dollars usually?
Yeah.

616
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,239
It's it's such good stuff, man.
It's really, really good.

617
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,880
And so the distillers collection
is this interesting thing that

618
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,560
Lux Rd. does, which is a super
hyper small batch release.

619
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,480
They release it every few weeks,
but the batches are like on the

620
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,960
website it says 30 to 40 cases
of whiskey.

621
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,200
So we're talking like only a
couple barrels Max depending on

622
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,000
how old the whiskey is.
It is a blend that's made-up of

623
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,960
hand selected barrels that are
chosen either by the master

624
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,200
distiller or specifically
appointed employees, you know,

625
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,640
at Lux Row.
So it's pretty cool that they

626
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,680
they blend them that frequently.
They release them that

627
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,800
frequently.
This one is clocking in at 107

628
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,560
proof, which I think is like a
perfect proof point.

629
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,160
Brad, I don't want to talk too
much more about it because I'm

630
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,960
excited to dive in and see what
this brings about for us in

631
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960
terms of how we evaluate this
brand overall.

632
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,400
So I'm drinking it live.
Brad, you've had it before.

633
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,400
Why don't you kick us off with
your nosing notes?

634
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,120
As I got into the nose on this
one, the the thing that popped

635
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,600
out to me right away and stuck
with me after multiple nosings,

636
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040
it just really came across
astringent to me.

637
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,440
The longer I stuck with it, the
more I got some caramel, there's

638
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,400
some black pepper, there was
some apple notes coming through

639
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,120
almost like a a red apple.
It's interesting and unique, but

640
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,440
I I couldn't get away from that
astringency so I'm I'm going to

641
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560
give it a 6 1/2.
I got most of the same notes you

642
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120
did, but I like it a lot better.
I think the very first thing I

643
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,480
noticed was like pink bubble gum
and then that led directly into

644
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,880
Coca-Cola, but it was Coca-Cola
with like a ton of black pepper,

645
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,160
like like ground right into it.
Like an Olive Garden server just

646
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,000
grinded pepper in my Coke.
It was pretty spicy and I liked

647
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
that to go with that sort of
bubble gum thing.

648
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,280
I got a ton of red apple peel on
the very back end.

649
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,760
So it's got this nice kind of
like, I don't know, it's, it's

650
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,360
not quite apple pie.
It's a lot spicier than that.

651
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,720
And I'm, I'm intrigued by where
it's going to go.

652
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,080
I'm going to give it a 7.5 on
the nose.

653
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,520
I think that the the palate
helps it out a little bit.

654
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,080
It it got a little bit spicier.
There's some clove, the caramel

655
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,440
comes through, the apple turns
into like a a really nice tart

656
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,360
apple vibe that like this is a
really interesting whiskey that

657
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,720
has good solid flavors coming
through.

658
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,840
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10 here.

659
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:07,800
Yeah, I think I'm pretty much
with you, man.

660
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640
I I like this a lot.
There is definitely some

661
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,800
Coca-Cola notes right up front
and then you're kind of

662
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,880
overwhelmed with the sweetness
of it.

663
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,320
It gets really like vanilla
extract kind of heavy for me to

664
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,960
the point where I think like the
on the back of the pallet it

665
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,600
might.
My palate was almost fighting

666
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,160
against it.
It was like, oh, this is like

667
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,200
sickly sweet, but it has a nice
layer of spice underneath it.

668
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,120
The black pepper definitely
shines through.

669
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,960
The ethanol comes through on the
back end of the pallet.

670
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,920
I thought it was going to be
like mind blowingly good from

671
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,360
the front of the pallet and then
it got a really kind of bitter

672
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,440
herbal quality to it at the back
that kind of kind of soured me

673
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,720
on the whole experience.
I went from I, I was going to

674
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,840
give it like an 8 1/2 or a nine
down to I, I don't know, I guess

675
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:59,000
I'll give it A7, But I, I feel
pretty strongly that my finish

676
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,800
score is not even going to be
that high, Brad.

677
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Yeah, and I, I think that I'm
with you, man.

678
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:09,400
The the finish falls off for me.
It doesn't last long enough, It

679
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,720
stays peppery.
The oak starts to come through.

680
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,960
6 out of 10 here.
Yeah, same thing, man.

681
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,280
It's like overly spicy and
overly aggressive and overly

682
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,360
bitter at the same time to the
point like, and I, I hate to say

683
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,360
this 'cause I'm gonna make it
sound like I'm being dramatic.

684
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,320
I almost had like a little bit
of a, not quite a gag reflex,

685
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,200
but something close to that, you
know what I mean?

686
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,920
Like, oh, this is this is very
bitter, almost like when you

687
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,200
leave a a pill in your mouth for
too long and the taste of the

688
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,080
medicine starts to go through
that coating.

689
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,360
Yeah, not my favorite man.
I'm gonna give it a 5 1/2 on the

690
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,920
finish.
And that really tanks my balance

691
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,360
score because I thought the nose
and the taste were pretty well

692
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,000
balanced.
But it get, it got really,

693
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,200
really herbal and almost
medicinal for me on the back.

694
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,560
I think I'm just gonna give it
a, let's call it a 6 1/2 on the

695
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,440
balance.
Yeah, I, I'm at a six on the

696
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,520
balance, Bob, that there's just
nothing to write home about

697
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:13,640
here, unfortunately.
I, I really wanted to like this.

698
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,720
I, I think the interesting thing
is that when it comes to value,

699
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:23,880
this is only sitting at $35 and
I, I want to give it a decent

700
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,440
score, but I don't know, even at
$35, Bob, I don't know if this

701
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,120
is a good value.
Yeah, it's hard to say, man,

702
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,160
because it's, again, it's a
blend of whiskeys, but it's got

703
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,400
to be, I don't know, about seven
years old, six to seven years

704
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,320
old probably.
It's 107 proof.

705
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,440
It's super small batch.
Like man I it's hard to not

706
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,560
recommend this at $35 if you
like very high rye bourbons

707
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,560
because I would give the Rebel
A10 out of 10 on value.

708
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,560
The value is OK here, the
whiskey itself is not.

709
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,960
So that puts me in a weird spot.
I think even if you shelled out

710
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,840
the money for this and then
didn't like it, I don't feel

711
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,640
like you'd be that mad 'cause
you didn't shell out that much

712
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,160
money.
And I think that's why I'm going

713
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,280
to give it like above average on
the value.

714
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,520
I'll give it a 6.5 with the
caveat that I I just don't like

715
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:18,640
this whiskey that much.
Brad.

716
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Yeah, I I'm at a 5 out of 10,
Bob.

717
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Oof.
I I really didn't enjoy this

718
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,960
enough to give it a good score.
I there's way too many whiskeys

719
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:35,800
I like at 2025 thirty, $35 for
me to give this a high score.

720
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,040
Yeah, yeah.
And it's unfortunate because the

721
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,280
last two products we've had on
the show from Lux Row have not

722
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,880
been our favorites, but we've
also been giving them like years

723
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,960
worth of free Rebel publicity.
So like once again, let me say,

724
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,760
go buy Rebel Distillers
Collection.

725
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,760
It is phenomenal at a $40 price
tag.

726
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,640
I'm coming out on this one to a
33 out of 50.

727
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,080
Brad, where are you falling on
this?

728
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,840
30.5.
Oh, 30.5.

729
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:13,040
OK, so that takes us to a 31.75
or a 63.5 out of 100.

730
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,960
That's not a very high score.
I'm not going to recommend this

731
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,680
one.
It's not because it's an

732
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,720
exorbitant price.
I actually think it it's more

733
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:24,320
than fairly priced in a vacuum.
I just don't think the whiskey's

734
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,120
quite up to par for what I have
come to expect from Lux Row.

735
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,200
Agreed.
Yeah, I, I, I want to give this

736
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,640
a good score.
I'm just rating it on the juice

737
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,040
inside the bottle and it's just
not quite up to snuff.

738
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,480
All right.
Well, man, we we are just

739
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,560
Downers today, Brad.
Yeah.

740
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,400
Crapping on the movie?
It's not Whiskey Nation.

741
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,760
Liking the whiskey man.
What a way to celebrate our

742
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,960
250th episode.
Let's get back into talking

743
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,680
about Frozen Brad.
I'm so excited, Bob.

744
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:03,720
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody, That was

745
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,040
Ezra Brooks Distillers
Collection.

746
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,440
You know what I was thinking
about, Bob.

747
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,920
What's that, Brad?
At the end of the day, people on

748
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,400
the Internet love complaining so
who knows, this might be like

749
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,120
our highest rated episode ever.
Can you believe that this is the

750
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,400
250th first regular?
Well, I mean, it's it's not even

751
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,440
the 250th movie.
This is like probably our 270th

752
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,640
movie when you consider all the
bad movie bonuses and everything

753
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,160
else Cruise misses that we've
done.

754
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,280
Thanksgiving.
But man, Brad 250, we made it

755
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,640
here.
Yeah, we've done a lot.

756
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,040
I My movie knowledge has come
such a long way.

757
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,600
I'm pretty sure isn't that like
a direct Dwight Schrute quote

758
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,480
when he's like I love movies
I've seen over 250 of them.

759
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,280
I think that is actually.
That's that's you now, man.

760
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,040
Oh, that is me now I was
thinking about it, I I feel like

761
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,920
I referenced Fargo a lot.
It's a movie that pops up in my

762
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,880
head.
I feel like I need to institute

763
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,200
a new segment called like 6° of
Fargo where I take any movie

764
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:19,320
that we watch and walk it back
to Fargo somehow and it's always

765
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,440
going to end up with somebody in
a wood chipper.

766
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Perfect.
I'm I'm on board man.

767
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,200
Institute it today.
Yeah, the entire writing team

768
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,960
for Frozen.
Into the wood chipper.

769
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:34,880
Fargoed.
All right dude, it's time for

770
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,160
our actual game, which we call 2
facts and a falsehood.

771
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,960
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball.

772
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Two are right and what is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood.

773
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,320
Two Facts and a falsehood is the
part of the show where Brad

774
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,360
presents me with three items
about the making of this movie.

775
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,200
All of them are presented as
fact.

776
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,160
One of them is a complete
falsehood.

777
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,000
Brad, I am sitting at 15 and 10
on the season.

778
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,600
I'm on a losing streak here,
man.

779
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,720
I think I've lost three of my
last five.

780
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,200
This is not good.
It's great.

781
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,800
In fact, not good.
Great.

782
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,080
I'm loving it.
I want my 500 season locked up,

783
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,040
man, and I hope that it happens
today.

784
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,440
But I'm gonna be honest with
you, Brad.

785
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:20,200
I did not research the making of
this film at all.

786
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,520
What are you gonna do?
If you end up at 15 and 17, I

787
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,080
don't know that that's that
would be the most the most

788
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,920
Cleveland ending to a season for
you.

789
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,640
Including today's episode, there
are 7 two facts and a falsehoods

790
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,240
left.
So if I go oh and seven, I

791
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,040
deserve it.
You do.

792
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,600
All right, dude.
Well, let's see if you can start

793
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,280
me on that streak today.
Hit me with your two facts and a

794
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,360
falsehood.
Fact #1 The characters of Hans,

795
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,920
Kristoff, Anna and Sven are a
reference to Hans Christian

796
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Andersen, the author of
Snendronagen the Snow Queen,

797
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,280
which is the inspiration for
Frozen.

798
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:04,880
Fact #2 In early designs, the
giant snow monster that Elsa

799
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,040
creates is a big version of Olaf
who addressed him as little

800
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,600
brother, but it was later
decided that although it was

801
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,160
cute and funny, it looked a bit
dumb.

802
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,920
As opposed to what they
actually, I'm sorry, I'm eating

803
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,760
my doughnut now, this is
ridiculous.

804
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,480
As opposed to what they actually
made.

805
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,080
That thing looked terrible.
I couldn't believe that was 2014

806
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,160
graphics.
Fact #3 Bob The CGI team at

807
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,200
Disney created a custom
algorithm for Frozen called

808
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,200
Blizzard, which helped create
the snow and ice magic used

809
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:42,240
throughout the film.
I will say good job on the snow

810
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,080
and ice magic.
Like I have a lot of complaints

811
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,440
about the way this movie is
animated, but the snow and ice

812
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:51,400
very good.
Brad, you got me today, dude.

813
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,600
I have no idea.
They all sound true.

814
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,360
Remind me what number one was
again?

815
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Oh, grounds.
Christian Andersen Hans

816
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,120
Christian Andersen See See what
they did there?

817
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,560
That's the falsehood.
That sounds too much like a Brad

818
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,240
G creation.
I'm going to say number one.

819
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Number one's the falsehood.
Number one is not the falsehood.

820
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,480
Robert, you sounded too proud of
yourself.

821
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,960
You sounded like I totally wrote
this and I'm going to be like

822
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,000
you get.
It.

823
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,160
Wow, these writers really do
belong in the wood chipper.

824
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,960
They really do.
Fact #2 is true as well.

825
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,760
They originally designed a giant
Olaf.

826
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,440
I would have preferred that.
Really, you could have had a you

827
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,400
could have had a duet with them
as like a post credits scene of

828
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,520
them both singing about being in
summer.

829
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,040
Together, but the giant one has
like a really low bass voice,

830
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:56,360
you know?
Yes.

831
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,240
OK so Blizzard is not a thing
that was created.

832
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,320
As soon as you said you liked
the ice magic in the movie, I

833
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,560
was like, I got it.
I just, I got it so good.

834
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,800
Damn.
All right.

835
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,360
I'm at 15 and 11 now on the
season.

836
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,040
The streak continues.
That's two losses in a row.

837
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,200
Oh man, don't call it a
comeback, Bob.

838
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,640
All right, let's talk a little
bit about that animation quality

839
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,880
because Brad, one thing that I
really noticed, especially

840
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,720
coming off of consecutive weeks
of Pixar films a few weeks ago,

841
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,320
Up and Toy Story 3 is that
Disney at this point, you know,

842
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,600
they've acquired Pixar, but
Pixar still operates

843
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,680
independently as its own
production studio.

844
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,520
And we have raved, especially
with Toy Story 3, about just the

845
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,600
the depth of field and how
incredibly intricately textured

846
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,760
everything is, even when it's
not in focus in a Pixar film.

847
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,240
There's just it's mind blowing.
This movie you can see the

848
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,600
cheats happening and I was
really shocked at even like even

849
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,400
characters in the foreground.
The animation looks like what

850
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,520
you would get on a really well
produced Disney plus show now.

851
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:10,600
Like it looks like ATV show.
And there were multiple scenes

852
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,200
like the the dance hall scene at
her coronation where they do the

853
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,080
thing that they used to do with
hand drawn Disney where they

854
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,080
would put the characters in the
foreground in focus and

855
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,920
everybody in the background out
of focus.

856
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,000
But it was a way of hiding that
they just more crudely animated

857
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,320
those characters.
And they did it here like in in

858
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,360
computer animation, those
characters were more crappily

859
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,040
rendered than the other
characters in the movie.

860
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,880
And that's not to say that like
you can't do that, obviously

861
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,000
Disney's done it for decades.
But I think it showed the the

862
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,640
chasm between how well rendered
everything is in a Pixar movie

863
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,240
versus what they did here with
Frozen.

864
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,000
And the other thing for me was
how bland the color palette was

865
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,080
throughout the movie.
Like, it it's one thing to be

866
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,040
chasing Elsa off in the snowy
wilderness and like, yeah,

867
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,720
everything is snowy and you have
some green, you know, pine

868
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:07,400
trees.
Like, you're not going to have a

869
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,960
lot of colours.
That's OK.

870
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,920
It's even better, in fact, to
have that blend of a pallet if

871
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,680
the ball that they have at the
start that you just mentioned is

872
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:20,840
a cacophony of beautiful bright
colours.

873
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:26,480
Like tell me that the Be our
Guest scene from from beauty and

874
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,440
the beast doesn't have a billion
more colors than the ball scene

875
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,640
in this movie.
Like everything is brown and

876
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:41,120
green and blue and it's all drab
and just nothing pops in this

877
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,040
movie.
Even even on his hair.

878
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,520
She's supposed to be this like
fiery redhead and even her hair

879
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,840
doesn't have like a vibrancy to
it that that should like show

880
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,240
what her character is like.
I I don't for me the colour

881
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:57,440
palette on this film just irked
me through I.

882
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,200
Think a good analogue is like
Pixar made a movie a few years

883
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,680
after this, I believe after this
called Brave, which is set in

884
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,400
Scotland.
And it's, it's a similar kind of

885
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,120
palette, like they're, they're
both going for the like Kingdom

886
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,440
of Rohan thing in, in those
movies.

887
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,640
And it's accurate to the period,
right?

888
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,760
But the way they render the red
hair in Brave, the way they

889
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,560
render those earthy greens, it's
just so much more vibrant than

890
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,920
what they're doing here.
I completely agree with you man.

891
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,240
Yeah, there, there.
Hey, Bob, this movie sucks.

892
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,040
It sucks so bad.
Can I go and it?

893
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:34,720
Go ahead.
Sorry.

894
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,080
Keep.
Yeah, go ahead.

895
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,640
Keep going.
Can I go on my let it go rant

896
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,640
now?
I hate that song.

897
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Yes, I mean, yeah, that song, I
called it a Céline Dion song

898
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,320
because it was as ever present
as my heart will go on for a

899
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:52,680
number of years there.
But you mentioned Beauty and the

900
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:57,200
Beast a little while ago.
And I think that one of my main

901
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,840
issues with this movie is that
it tries to do Beauty and the

902
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,920
Beast, but it it neglects to
understand what made Beauty and

903
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,520
the Beast work so well.
Like Belle is your main

904
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:12,320
character in Beauty and the
Beast, and she helps the beast

905
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,200
understand who he really is.
To overcome the obstacles.

906
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,960
She goes on her own journey of
growth.

907
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,520
And and so like the beast, I'm
sorry, the Belle TA Anna thing,

908
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,040
that comparison, they, they
track pretty well together.

909
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:31,200
Where this movie really fumbles
things is in making Elsa have to

910
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,560
follow the path of quote UN
quote, the beast.

911
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,400
Like, she's the one who is
burdened with this thing that's

912
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,800
seen as a curse.
She's the one that shuts herself

913
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,240
up in her own castle.
And what the movie seems to

914
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,480
imply is like she has an
obstacle to overcome.

915
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,400
She needs to learn something
about herself.

916
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,680
But then the movie really
waffles back and forth on

917
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,240
whether she actually is a flawed
person or if everybody else

918
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,840
around her is flawed.
And so therefore she doesn't

919
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,760
actually grow or change
anything.

920
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,680
And it makes no sense when you
when you bring the song, let it

921
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,920
go into the equation.
Like I'm gonna interrupt.

922
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,720
Please do Please do.
We can all agree that her

923
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,600
parents are the most flawed
people in the movie, whether or

924
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,200
not anybody else is flawed.
We can all agree that her

925
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,320
parents suck 'cause they are the
reason this entire movie

926
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,040
happens.
Yeah.

927
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,680
Never before have I said like,
wow, those people deserve to die

928
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:35,920
at sea, Yeah.
I I mean, yeah, I thought it.

929
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,560
Like yeah, and I think that like
the crazy thing about the the

930
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:44,520
1st 25 ish minutes of the movie
here are like the most

931
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,280
compelling like dramatic tension
that comes in that part of the

932
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,200
movie is the realization like
everyone finds out that she is

933
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,680
the beast quote UN quote right?
Like once her powers get

934
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,960
revealed and everything hits the
fan, it's like, oh, this is

935
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,600
gonna get to some really
interesting places.

936
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,920
This is gonna go into Gaston
Beauty and the Beast territory.

937
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,120
They're gonna chase her off.
And then it kind of just like,

938
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,440
hey, first of all, it buries the
lead.

939
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,560
Like we don't get to that for
1/2 hour.

940
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:18,800
But then it's immediately the
next time we see Elsa, she's

941
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,360
walking up the mountain and
she's singing Let It Go.

942
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,880
And this song Let It Go is just
it's so frustrating, dude,

943
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,520
because it's presented as this,
this anthem of liberation.

944
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Like I'm so glad to be free of
all of their expectations.

945
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,200
I don't care what they're going
to say.

946
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,720
Let the storm rage on.
Like I'm going to be who I am.

947
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,680
It's very similar to this is me
from the greatest showman.

948
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,240
However, like she's she's happy
to be free from all of their

949
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,120
expectations.
But like she's only been queen

950
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,920
for like 6 hours.
Like they have no expectations

951
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,080
of her.
They don't they, they didn't

952
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,600
know this about her.
They're not like hunting her

953
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,240
down to kill her.
They, they got scared and she

954
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:08,920
ran off, but they got scared for
a reason.

955
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:13,400
Like she is injuring many people
on accident with these powers

956
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,560
that she cannot control.
It's supposed to be this

957
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,960
metaphor.
And I think it was interpreted,

958
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,560
you know, culturally as a
metaphor because it's so vague

959
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,600
for how young women in our
society are kind of boxed in and

960
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,800
expected to act a certain way
and expected to kind of keep

961
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,680
their emotions at Bay.
I know this character of Elsa

962
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,880
has been like really championed
as like a queer icon.

963
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,800
There's a very funny SNL sketch
where they talk about how gay

964
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,480
Elsa is.
Like, I understand all that.

965
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,000
But like in the context of the
movie, she's, you know, she's

966
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,120
saying like we we need to let go
of all these expectations, but

967
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,040
it gets completely undermined by
what she's actually doing.

968
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,760
Like, if she's if she's shaking
off the constraints of society

969
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,680
and the way that she's choosing
to do that is like, I'm not

970
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,880
going to hide my powers anymore.
I'm going to be who I'm supposed

971
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,280
to be.
The cold doesn't bother me.

972
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,640
Then like, why are you still
hiding in the woods?

973
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,760
Why are you building a castle
for yourself in seclusion?

974
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,480
None of it makes any sense.
And then like, go ahead.

975
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,400
You know how you make the song
work?

976
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,600
Keep the parents alive.
Or make it like make it the song

977
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,200
she sings at the end of the
movie where she's finally sure

978
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,240
of these expect like she comes
back at the end of the movie

979
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,560
because she has literally almost
killed her own sister.

980
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,480
And then like, first of all,
magically now she can control

981
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,800
her powers.
Like, what the hell is that

982
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,960
about?
Are we to expect that you you

983
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,520
aren't gonna accidentally kill
someone now?

984
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:47,680
Here's here's the thing, if Let
it Go is sung as a response to

985
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,160
Anna's love, setting her free
from the expectations of their

986
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,000
parents.
Like I, I mean, I, I don't know

987
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,960
if you've had this experience
with your siblings, Bob, but at

988
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,600
a certain point in your
relationship with your siblings,

989
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,440
you realize, oh, hey, like we're
on the same team.

990
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,200
And like, mom and dad aren't
always right.

991
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,200
And like, if they explored that
relationship and the, you know,

992
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,360
the parents stay alive and and
initially Elsa runs away and,

993
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,000
you know, maybe she sings let it
go as in like a giant FU to the

994
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,960
parents and then Anna's love.
And like, yeah, our our parents

995
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,440
were wrong.
They they treated you poorly.

996
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,560
I but please come back because I
love you and we can be on a team

997
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,520
and I like.
Which I think is what they're

998
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,400
intending, but it gets so lost
in the sauce here.

999
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,120
Yes, Yep.
I think that's actually 100%

1000
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,320
what they're intending.
Because like, she is trying to

1001
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,240
say, I'm not going to hide any
longer.

1002
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:45,840
Mom and dad told me to conceal
it.

1003
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,320
I can't do that.
Like I can't control this

1004
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,000
anymore.
I can't hold it back anymore.

1005
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,960
That's like part of the song,
but it's sung as a theme of

1006
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,120
empowerment.
And it's not because she's still

1007
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,440
like in a really in a state of
disequilibrium, right.

1008
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,480
And so she's still hiding in the
woods.

1009
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,160
She's still afraid.
She doesn't want to face the

1010
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,160
reality of the the harm that
she's caused.

1011
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,480
And at the end of the movie, she
becomes a much more complete,

1012
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,920
healthy, emotional person.
But if that's the case, then

1013
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,440
what they're saying is like, she
went from totally messed up to

1014
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,000
coping's mechanism, which is let
it go to health.

1015
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,920
But but if that's true, then
everything she said in the song,

1016
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,120
Let it go, she was saying from a
place of unhealthiness.

1017
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,080
And therefore it's not a song of
empowerment.

1018
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,120
You know what I mean?
Like it.

1019
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,560
I just think it really wants to
have it both ways and it can't

1020
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,840
do that.
Yeah, yeah, it wants its cake

1021
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,480
and to eat it too.
But at the end of the day, it's

1022
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,840
moldy cake and like nobody
should be eating that cake.

1023
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,320
And, and I think that's, I think
that's the problem with the

1024
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,360
messaging here.
It's speaking a song.

1025
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:58,480
It's speaking a message of
empowerment to people being

1026
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:03,640
immature and unhealthy and
making decisions out of a place

1027
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,560
of unhealth.
And and like that is not good

1028
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,200
for any human being.
Like I like, I have no qualms

1029
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,880
saying that the way that she
quote UN quote lets it go is is

1030
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,200
poorly done and it's not good
for her and it doesn't lead to a

1031
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,200
good place.
Right.

1032
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,520
And I don't think the movie
wants to present, like, maybe

1033
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,000
the writers didn't want to
present that as the solution.

1034
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,280
But when you make that the
cornerstone song of your movie

1035
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,520
and you write the song in such a
way that it can be vaguely

1036
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,320
applied to any young person's
life who may be listening to

1037
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,440
that song on the radio, then it
really loses the meaning that,

1038
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,360
hey, she's actually not in a
good place when she's singing

1039
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,480
this as her anthem.
And and so, like, I just feel

1040
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,440
like you need that context in
the movie.

1041
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,880
To your point, it wants to have
its cake and eat it too.

1042
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,040
I've been rambling, Brad.
You know, I think maybe it's

1043
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,120
just time for us to switch over
into let's make it a double on

1044
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,400
this movie so we can talk about
other films besides Frozen.

1045
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,160
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things, listening to

1046
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,000
the film and Whiskey Show.
Let's pair another film with

1047
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,400
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1048
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,000
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1049
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,440
I haven't even come close to
thinking about let's make it a

1050
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,320
double Bob.
Let's Make It a double is the

1051
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,480
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1052
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,120
to make the perfect double
feature?

1053
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:25,960
Would you like me to go first,
Brad?

1054
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,840
Yeah, go for it.
I'm going to pair this with a

1055
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,400
movie that I recently came to
find out has just come out on

1056
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,080
Netflix.
It's a movie about a a Kingdom,

1057
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,400
a once mighty Kingdom that is
fighting against a monstrous

1058
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,960
creation with what seems to be
magical powers that is keeping

1059
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,760
them at Bay.
Pressing and suppressing them in

1060
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,240
the way that those people rise
up and the way that they

1061
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,720
overcome this monster by
ultimately sinking it to the

1062
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,360
depths of the sea and and
encasing it in ice.

1063
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,360
Similar to the story of Elsa.
And that is a movie called

1064
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:06,360
Godzilla -1 Please go watch that
instead of Frozen.

1065
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,880
It is so good.
Oh, that's really funny.

1066
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,520
It's so good.
Go watch Godzilla -1 folks, I.

1067
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,160
I'm going to go watch it, Bob.
I'm going to go watch it.

1068
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,800
Maybe tonight, we'll see.
I might fall asleep.

1069
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,000
I think that's a great pairing,
Bob.

1070
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,280
I wish Godzilla would just rip
through Arendelle halfway

1071
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,240
through this movie.
Go ahead.

1072
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,800
Sorry, I'm going to pair this
movie with a film about a

1073
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:39,000
protagonist who just wants to
live a simple life, who doesn't

1074
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:43,520
want the pressures of society
weighing down on him, who wants

1075
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,080
to be married and experience the
joys of what it means to be a

1076
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,440
human but is forced upon him a
different life.

1077
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,680
I'm going to pair this movie.
This is This is easily the most

1078
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,480
ridiculous pairing I will ever
give on this podcast.

1079
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,920
I'm going to pair this movie
with Braveheart, Bob and.

1080
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,760
Appropriately drab color palette
combat.

1081
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,400
That's thank you.
I I was kind of going for that.

1082
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,800
OK, let me finish my doughnut.
Sorry.

1083
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,280
How's your how's your doughnut?
It's.

1084
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,200
Gone now.
I've been trying to eat it like

1085
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,600
in in peace and quiet but I've
been talking so much this.

1086
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,920
Episode I was gonna say man,
this if we had a rabid fan base

1087
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,360
that kept track of statistics
for our podcast, I think this

1088
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,400
will easily be the highest
percentage of.

1089
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,120
Bob And it's so weird because I
don't like I don't feel so

1090
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,000
strongly that I had to say XY
and Z.

1091
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,200
But it's that weird alchemy of I
put thought into why I don't

1092
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:47,200
like this movie and you don't
like this movie so much that

1093
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,760
you're like, I refuse to give
this movie any more thought.

1094
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,760
And so then.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1095
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,280
I gave lots of deep thoughts on
this.

1096
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,160
I talked about color palette and
the songs and all sorts of

1097
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:58,960
things.
Robert.

1098
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,480
You listen, you had some great
points.

1099
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,800
They just only took up like 7
minutes of audio in our in our

1100
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,120
hours long podcast.
I'm just.

1101
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,680
A little more succinct than you,
that's.

1102
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,320
That's very true.
That's the fatal flaw of me.

1103
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:15,320
OK, so Brad, let's give this
movie some final scores.

1104
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,400
I think that for all of the
faults of this movie, it is not

1105
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,800
like an inept movie.
Like they're like, the animation

1106
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,960
is good enough and the songs are
good enough.

1107
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,320
Part of my visceral reaction is
this took off in a way that

1108
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:37,040
better movies, more deserving
movies should have taken off.

1109
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,320
And it's always kind of pissed
me off.

1110
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,440
That's not really the fault of
the movie itself.

1111
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,200
Like if this had come out and
made a couple 100 million and

1112
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,200
made its money back, sure,
great.

1113
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,800
It made like a billion dollars.
Everyone loved this movie and

1114
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,240
it's it's kind of like the
greatest Showman where I'm like,

1115
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,520
do you people understand how not
good this is?

1116
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:01,440
Like what's going on America?
I think when I try to get a hold

1117
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,080
of myself at the end of the day,
this is like a 5 1/2 movie.

1118
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,600
I probably hate it more than the
five and a half.

1119
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,640
I want it to be like a 3 1/2 but
it's like it is just mediocre

1120
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,320
enough to get a 5 1/2.
Oh, Bob, the five and a half is

1121
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,240
a really high score for this
movie.

1122
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:22,960
It's.
Not that bad, dude.

1123
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:31,000
I'll give it a four and a half.
I I can't get, I can't bring

1124
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,320
myself to give this movie A5.
Here's the thing.

1125
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,200
I I'm going to say something
nice about the movie.

1126
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,880
Like I actually got a little bit
emotional at the end.

1127
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,520
I I think that the Blizzard as
they're running across the lake

1128
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,600
with the frozen ships and Olaf
or not Olaf Kristoff, who we

1129
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,880
didn't even talk about Kristoff
and his his gay reindeer.

1130
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,080
Kristoff, played by Jonathan
Groff, one of the more famous,

1131
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,600
you know, Broadway actors of the
last decade.

1132
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,840
You would know him, Brad, as the
King in Hamilton.

1133
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,720
I do know him.
He is a fantastic actor.

1134
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,000
I mean, he's been in a ton of
stuff.

1135
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:10,920
I had no idea that was him until
this time around.

1136
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,360
I saw it on IMDb.
So yes, let's give a shout out

1137
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,760
to Kristoff.
Yes, I want to get finish your

1138
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,080
point please.
I I was just going to say, like,

1139
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,160
I was emotionally moved at the
end of the film.

1140
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,320
Like the the through line of
Anna's love for Elsa is powerful

1141
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:33,600
and meaningful and the idea that
a story would end where true

1142
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,200
Love's kiss is actually, you
know, well, and I like that they

1143
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,960
phrase it differently, that they
say like an act of true love and

1144
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,240
everybody goes, oh, true Love's
kiss and and it turns out to be

1145
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:49,000
an act of self sacrificial love.
Like, I I am all about that

1146
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:55,040
great ending to the film, but
man, it's really rough getting

1147
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,240
there.
Yeah, really, really bad this.

1148
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:01,560
Could have been a really good
movie if they had just clarified

1149
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,280
their intentions with it.
They wanted to be 100 things and

1150
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,000
it can't be all those things.
That is what makes me so angry

1151
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,840
about this movie is that it
could have been so much and it

1152
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,600
wasn't and.
It like.

1153
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,160
I don't know, I, I feel like
that's Disney's problem is that

1154
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,200
it gets caught up in trying to
be so many different things.

1155
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,000
Like I don't know, you, you hear
about films that kind of balloon

1156
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,480
out of control and I feel like
Disney as a studio has ballooned

1157
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,360
out of control where it's like,
you know, I, who knows?

1158
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,560
I don't know the behind the
scenes, like was the the music

1159
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,960
team, the sound team not in
enough conversation with the

1160
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,920
animation team and the scripting
team to like make everything

1161
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,480
match up well enough?
I like, I don't know, but there

1162
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,040
is so many mixed messages going
on in this movie that it just, I

1163
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,760
can't give it a good score.
Bob.

1164
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,160
I will say a couple nice things
as well.

1165
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:02,800
The the Big Summer blowout guy
is my favorite character in the

1166
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,480
whole movie.
He's freaking hilarious.

1167
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:11,320
The guy in the in the little
like big summer Blowout, he's

1168
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,280
also out.
I also, you know, a few weeks

1169
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,560
ago you talked about how Robin
Williams in night at the Museum

1170
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,280
provided you or no, it was Dick
Van Dyke provided you with a

1171
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:24,000
quote that you always say, which
is moving on, moving on.

1172
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,360
Olaf in this movie provided me
with a quote that I say a lot,

1173
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,560
which is when he turns around
and looks at the giant

1174
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,040
abominable snowman and says, oh,
hey, we were just talking about

1175
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,920
you.
All good things, all good

1176
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,280
things.
I say all good things a lot.

1177
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,600
I just think it's really funny.
That one always makes me laugh.

1178
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,280
But yeah, man, apart from those
few moments, this was this was

1179
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,480
not an enjoyable watch for me.
Folks.

1180
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,360
Are we too harsh on Frozen?
Are our hearts frozen?

1181
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,640
Do they need to be thought out
towards this film?

1182
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,240
You can let us know what you
think of this movie and its

1183
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,680
songs and all of the merchandise
that came out of it by finding

1184
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:03,400
us on social media, Facebook,
Twitter, Instagram, Tiktok and

1185
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,560
YouTube at Film Whiskey.
Or you can join the conversation

1186
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,360
on Discord.
We will be trash.

1187
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,480
I'm going to be trashing Frozen
tonight.

1188
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,640
You can go back and read the
conversation when this when this

1189
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,480
episode comes out.
But man, join the conversation

1190
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,640
to Discord.
You can find a link to it at the

1191
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,280
end of every single one of our
show notes.

1192
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,760
Well, while Brad is rage
posting, I will be preparing for

1193
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,400
next week, which is perhaps the
most interesting episode we're

1194
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,160
going to get for the remainder
of this season.

1195
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,800
A movie that came out of nowhere
to dominate the box office.

1196
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,120
And it is once again, because I
don't think Americans

1197
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:42,080
interpreted it correctly, 2014's
Clint Eastwood film American

1198
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,600
Sniper.
So we'll see you next week with

1199
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,640
Bradley Cooper, but until then,
I'm Bob Book.

1200
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,600
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.