Ford v Ferrari / William Larue Weller Bourbon

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In 2019, director James Mangold
and star Matt Damon gave the

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world a Paint by Numbers biopic
that ends up being more than the

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sum of its parts.
Oh, that took a turn.

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OK.
In 2024, we continue our ride on

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the B Tac train.
The film is Ford V.

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Ferrari the whiskey is William
LaRue Weller and.

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We'll review them both.
This is the film and Whiskey.

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Pop.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And this week we are looking at

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the 2019 nineteen question mark.
Is it 19?

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Yeah, it's 19. 2019 film Ford V
Ferrari Now Brad, this season in

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which we are in episode 4, we
are looking at movies from the

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last 20 years and we're asking
the question, does this film

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deserve to be considered a
modern day classic?

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The movies that we've selected
for this season fit a number of

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categories.
They had to be either or many of

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a Best Picture nominee, A $100
million box office grocer in the

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United States, a letterbox Top
250 film, or an IMDb top 250

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film.
And Brad, I believe this one

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checked three of the four boxes.
Yeah, this made a lot of money.

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Yep, it was nominated for Best
Picture.

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Yes, it was.
I think.

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Yes, it was.
That's a little bit crazy to me.

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Are are we going overboard with
our like 10 nominations?

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Do we need to go back to five
Now I I don't mean this in a

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derogatory way towards like Top
Gun Maverick, but like this.

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This was in the Top Gun Maverick
slot of 2019.

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Like there's always like a.
Shots fired.

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There's always like a dad movie
in the tent somewhere and this

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was definitely in that slot do.
You think that the Academy like

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knows that they're like, well,
we got to satisfy the dads out

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there, so we'll throw him a bone
with a numb every once in a

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while.
Every time Matt Damon makes a

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movie, man, they're like, we
have it, we've done it.

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Do you think that this was like
a pity nomination for Damon?

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Be like, well, we're not going
to give you an actual Oscar, but

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we'll nominate your movie for
Best Picture, I suppose.

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I don't know man, the way that
that preferential ballot works,

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to be nominated a movie has to
get at least 5% of the 1st place

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votes.
So like like 5% of people out

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there rank ordered the movies
and it was in first place so.

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That's.
Crazy somebody like this movie,

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man.
Apparently more than you did.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I've got nothing against

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this movie, Bob.
It's really fun.

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Things go fast.
Vroom, vroom.

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I just don't know if it is up
there as a Best Picture

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nomination.
So 2019, an absolutely loaded

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year for film.
Like, just what a great year.

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Here's the Best Picture
nominees.

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OK, Ford versus Ferrari, Martin
Scorsese's The Irishman, JoJo

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Rabbit, Joker, Little Women,
Marriage Story, The Best Picture

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Winner, Parasite 1917, and Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood.

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I think after this season we
will have watched every movie

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except Little Women for the
podcast.

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Yeah, and Joker should have won
it all.

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Bob, am am I right?
Yeah, sure, Brad, sure.

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I don't.
I will say I don't think we've

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seen the Irish man.
Oh, that's true.

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That's true.
So, but we have watched quite a

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few of these movies, and I have
to say there's a few of them

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that I'm like, I think Marriage
Story has a shot almost any year

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if it came out.
I think Parasite obviously has a

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shot.
JoJo Rabbit's like On the Edge,

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but I think it's a great movie
there.

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Yeah, there's a lot of really
good films in here.

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And one of those movies, Brad,
is Ford V Ferrari, a film that I

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have already railed against the
title of.

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I hate when they do this stupid
thing with the V and not the VS.

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It just make it a make it AVS
it's.

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Not a court movie.
If it was Ford taking Ferrari to

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court, that would be a different
movie.

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It's Ford versus Ferrari.
Question, would you enjoy that

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movie?
If it was like a few Good Men

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type movie, absolutely.
Yeah.

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What?
What's the blaze of glory?

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No.
What's Kirk Douglas?

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Paths of Glory, Paths of glory,
there you go.

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Yeah, it plays the glory.
Whatever.

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I just want Matt Damon to be
shouting like you can't handle

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the torque or like some
something car related.

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All right, dude, let's dive into
talking about the movie itself.

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And in order to do that, we have
to get into our first segment of

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the day, which we call, Brad
explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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taken on the clock, so let's go
ahead and do your take with this

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little segment that we call,
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the film that he has
just seen often for the first

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time.
Brad, was this your first time

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with Ford versus Ferrari?
Sure was.

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Oh, interesting.
OK, so the the the need, the

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compulsive need and and just
being drawn to dad movies has

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not hit you the way it's hit me
now.

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No, not, not even in the
slightest.

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I I see a a trailer now that's
like cars go vroom and I'm like,

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oh, I'm there.
I'm totally, yeah.

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Yeah, I mean to to be fair, you
see any movie trailer and go,

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oh, I'm there.
The trailer, This is coming out

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a few weeks after we record, but
today, the trailer for Clint

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Eastwood's last film that he's
directed, juror #2, just came

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like it just hit the Internet
today.

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It looks freaking phenomenal.
And my guy, Clint's not in it,

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but Nicholas Holt in a courtroom
directed by Clint Eastwood.

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I am there front row like I'm
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Do you?
Is Clint Eastwood the oldest man

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to ever direct a movie?
At this point I.

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Don't know.
He's got to be getting close.

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He's, he's at least 114 at this
point, right?

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Yeah, something like that.
I mean, in all actuality, he's

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9394 like that.
I mean, I'm sure that there is

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some 100 year old man that
directed a little home video,

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but in the world of Hollywood, I
feel like he's got to be up

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there.
Yeah, I don't know.

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Anyway, this was your first time
with Ford versus Ferrari.

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We keep we keep straying from
the topic at hand today.

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I hope that does not.
That's not a doesn't portend to

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bad things.
Would you say that we're going

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off the track, off the.
Track So the way Brad explains

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works is that Brad gets 60
seconds to spoil this movie.

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So folks, if you have not seen
Ford versus Ferrari, especially

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if you are a beer drinking dad,
I would highly recommend that

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you go watch this movie and then
come back and join us for the

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rest of the episode.
But Brad, you have 60 seconds on

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the clock and go.
Ford V Ferrari is barely even

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about Ferrari.
It is just.

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And it's honestly not a ton
about Ford either.

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It is basically the Carroll
Shelby and Ken Miles show, both

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famous race car drivers who
build a performance vehicle for

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the Ford Motor Company, Henry
Ford the second in order to beat

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Ferrari at the race called the
24 Hours of Le Mans.

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And they win.
Boom.

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That's it.
I, I timed that very well, Brad.

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I have no idea how that Brad
explains went.

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I did something that I've never
done before and it just took off

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my headphones and ran out of the
room for a minute.

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Oh, good.
Because I want to celebrate this

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red blooded American film about
cars and guys from Texas or

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wherever the hell.
They're from coffee at.

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I am not.
I am cracking open a tall boy of

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Budweiser, king of beers right
now.

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You ready?
King of Bob.

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I'm ready.
Bob.

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Bob Book, King of Podcasts.
Budweiser king of tasting like

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piss, but we love it anyway.
All right, man, let's dive into

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this movie.
Here's the thing.

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Here's where I want to start
with Ford versus Ferrari,

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because I don't have that much
to say about the movie itself.

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Matt Damon continues to just
grow in my estimation every week

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in terms of his ability to
almost silently anchor a movie

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down that would not work without
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And Carole Shelby is a
significantly harder role to

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play than it appears because
this is a man of few words.

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It's a guy who shows very little
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It's a guy who masks any emotion
that he has by feeling the

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soothing rumble of a car beneath
him.

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And Matt Damon freaking kills it
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Dude.
It's it's such a subtle shade of

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difference from the last time we
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And I feel like that's what
Damon's good at is he always is

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Matt Damon.
Like he has that movie starness

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to him where you're like, oh, I
came to see a Tom Hanks movie

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and Tom Hanks is being Tom
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Like Matt Damon has that a
little bit, but he's really good

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at finding 100 different slight
variations or shades of the Matt

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Damon experience.
And I think I appreciate that

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almost more than him going
wildly between types of

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characters.
What was the last movie we saw

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with him in it?
Oppenheimer.

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Oh, like 2 weeks ago, yeah.
How quickly they forget my guy.

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Matt Damon.
Oh man.

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Matt Damon and Oppenheimer like
pretty good, not great.

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I mean, he was, I think he's
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He was the whole Comic Relief of
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And he he nailed that one last
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emotional moment with
Oppenheimer, but.

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Matt Damon, Ford V Ferrari,
Great performance, Primo like he

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really holds this movie
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Because for a movie about going
fast, I don't know if director

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James Mangold really got that
memo.

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Because this is a slow movie,
Bob.

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I never found the movie to be
actually slow, but it was

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definitely fatty.
Like, even as I'm watching it,

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I'm like, these scenes are well
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constructed, and I know why
they're doing this, but like, I

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have seen this 100 times.
Can we just skip past this part?

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Do you really have to hit every
one of these notes that we know

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need to get played?
Like, let's do something a

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little bit more original here.
I'm with you, man.

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Like it's a long movie.
Yeah, two hours and like 25

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minutes of runtime till the
credits.

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It could have been like an hour
and 59 minutes on the dot and I

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and I would have been very, very
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That's part of the reason I want
to get the performances out of

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the way here because I do think
that the meat of the

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conversation here is like, I do
I think this is a modern

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classic, Probably not, but it's
it's still a good movie.

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But let's put our thinking caps
on and try to improve this movie

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a little bit.
I think that would be a fun

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exercise.
But before we get there, you've

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started hinting at Matt Damon.
Very good.

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What did you like about Matt
Damon in this movie, especially

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compared to past performances
we've watched of his?

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I mean, it's his ability to play
everything low key under the

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surface and let the emotions
rise at a few key points in the

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film.
And I'm thinking specifically of

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when he takes Henry Ford the
second on a little test drive

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and makes him pee his pants.
Ostensibly they're like the way

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he talks to him in that car is
just perfect.

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Like he's not speaking down to
him, but he's, he's showing him

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the power of what it's like to
experience something versus

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think about something.
And he doesn't speak down to him

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because he respects the speeds
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run.
And he wants Henry Ford to

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respect it as well.
And like, it's little moments

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like that throughout the film
that I, I just, I think he

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knocks it out of the park
because he holds it all in so

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well throughout most of the
film.

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Yeah, I totally agree, man.
And they do a really good job of

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trying to give both him and
Christian Bale like their Oscar

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clip scenes.
And I think with Matt Damon,

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there's multiple ones.
But the one that really sticks

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out to me is right around the
middle of the movie when Ford

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has gone to Le Mans and kind of
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back and he has to basically
explain why he should keep his

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job.
He paints this picture for Henry

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Ford and says, you have Ferrari
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he's scared of you.
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set the track record at Le Man
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And he he just starts to like,
it's almost poetic the way he

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starts describing when we're
coming down that stretch and,

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and you're like, you're on the
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him talk about, it's almost like
listening to, you know, James

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Earl Jones talk about baseball
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When he talks about the way that
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It's just I am completely bought
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And once again, I'll say, you
know, Damon has had his Oscar

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nominations like he was
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It's a very good movie.
It's a very good performance.

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I truly, truly think, I guess I
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another actor that is operating
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consistently as slept on for his
performances as Damon is.

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I mean, is it because he hasn't
had like, it's been a really

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long time since he was truly
taking command of a film?

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I, I disagree.
I mean, even last year he was

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the star of that movie air about
the Michael Jordan shoe.

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That was like being positioned
early in the year for Oscar

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stuff and then and then the
Oscar voters just weren't

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interested in it.
Like it was he's still making

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those kind of movies.
He's still in big budget films.

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He was in Oppenheimer and I, you
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couple weeks ago and he said, I
think really early on they

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decided that they wanted to put
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Junior's basket for an award.
Or else this movie could have

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been like Godfather 2:00 and had
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supporting actors from
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Like, I still think he's making
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It's just shocking to me that I
guess he has to just like ride

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the round and do a revenant or
something because I don't, I

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don't know when else they're
going to recognize him.

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I, I'm going to be honest with
you, Bob, I I don't know if I

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see Matt Damon as like that
level of an actor that like,

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like he demands an Oscar because
of who he's been over his

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career.
Like, I think he's a really good

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actor.
I don't know if he has quite as

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much depth in range as what you
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Like I think he's too Matt Damon
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I just think that he chooses not
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And I find that more admirable
than like, I don't mean to crap

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on Leo.
Leo is one of our favorite

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actors, but Leo has a very few
subtle bones in his body in

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terms of the the roles he
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You know what I mean?
Like even a shutter island,

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which is a very kind of interior
performance, is still a big

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showy performance.
And Damon just just consistently

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decides not to take on those
roles or he's willing to be the,

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you know, the slimy guy in the
departed so that Leo can be The

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Big Lead tortured guy.
And I just, I don't know, man.

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I think that if he ever decided
like, yeah, I'm going to go for

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it, I'm going to be big and go
eat a bison liver on the open

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plains.
Sure.

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He he would be in prime position
for an Oscar.

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I guess what I'm saying is like,
I just respect that he hasn't

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done that.
Like, it's almost like he's he's

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sticking true to what he
believes about the kind of actor

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he wants to be.
Yeah, I mean, I, I think you see

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something similar with Tom
Cruise.

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Like, like he has the chops to
be a Oscar winner.

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And at this point he's like, no,
I just want to do cool stunts on

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actual film.
Yeah, and, and Cruise's, his arc

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is so different because it's
like he was nominated for

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Oscars.
They wouldn't give him one.

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And then he's like, you know
what?

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Screw it.
Like, I'm just going to go fly

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planes now.
This is who I want to be.

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All right, dude, let's let's
turn the page to Christian Bale,

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who is an actor that is like, I
don't exactly know where he's at

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in his trajectory of movie
stardom or actor dumb anymore.

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He was a really respected actor.
I think he's still respected.

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But for a long, long time, it
was like, oh, this guy's going

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to win an Oscar.
And then he keeps choosing these

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roles.
Like, he does American Hustle

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and he does The Big Short and he
does this movie and they're all

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kind of angling for awards
recognition.

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And I don't know exactly why,
but it seems like in the

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Academy's eyes, there's kind of
diminishing returns.

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Like he just doesn't seem to
come up in conversations about

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the the best working actors
anymore, which is weird because

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I really like him.
I think he's a very good actor.

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I do think that this is one of
those roles where you probably

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could have found three or four
different actors to play Ken

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Miles.
Because even after watching

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Bales take on the guy, I don't
really know who Ken Miles is.

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Like, they do a good job of
making him say who he is, and

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he's obviously a guy who loves
his wife and his kid and and

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whatever.
But like, there was nothing

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about the performance itself
that I found especially

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memorable from Bale.
And I actually thought there

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were a few scenes where it
seemed like he was acting in a

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completely different movie than
everybody else in the scene.

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Yeah, I I'm, I'm, I'm really not
with you there.

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I.
Like I told you, I had a spicy

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take man.
I don't.

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I don't think he's bad.
I just the the decisions he made

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didn't work for me and they also
were like unmemorable.

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Sure.
I don't know.

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I, I'm going to agree with you
for the fact that I think this

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whole movie is kind of
unmemorable.

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So like, and is any one part
going to stick out to me in an

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unmemorable movie?
Like, not really.

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I, I don't think Christian Bale
is that bad.

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I, I think he does an admirable
job with a underscripted

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character.
Like the he's really not given

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that much to work with.
And you know, you the character

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development at the end of the
film of saying, all right, I'm

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going to take one for the team
and give Ford his photograph

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felt awkward and forced and like
it wasn't actually who he was.

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So I I didn't like that.
But that's not on him.

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That's the writers saying you'd
have to fit.

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What happened in history?
I was going.

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To say, yeah, like he actually
did it.

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So we we can't say it's too out
of character for him, but.

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Well, but I'll say this, the
writers never gave any

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indication that this is the kind
of guy who would back down to

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corporate pressure.
Yeah, so that, like, I, I will

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say that for me, the part of
Bale's performance that I loved

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the best was that that that
scene right there, because it's

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wordless.
He's just a guy in a car, and

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he's pissed off because Shelby
has told him what the plan is.

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Like, you are laps ahead and now
this marketing guy that hates

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you is trying to screw you over.
But we have to do this for the

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team.
And so he goes out and just guns

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it and he gets himself another
lap record.

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And as soon as he like, basks in
the glow of like, I showed them

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what I can do, you see it kind
of set over his face, like he's

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clearly thinking about Shelby in
that moment.

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And like, I'm not going to get
my boss fired.

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I like, I, I know in my heart
that I won this race.

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I'll slow down.
And he does all that without a

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word.
And I actually think it's the

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best piece of acting from him in
the entire movie, whether or not

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it seems a little cheesy.
Like, I do think Bale really

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nailed it there.
Look at you complimenting

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Christian Bale.
Actually, I feel like I LED this

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conversation with I like
Christian Bale a lot.

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Yeah, but you said it in a way
that everybody knew where we

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were going.
Yeah, that's fair.

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That's that's, that's fair.
Oh, man, yeah, Christian Bale's

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fine.
I I'm curious what you think

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about John Bernthal as Lee
Iacocca.

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Love me some Bernthal.
He's a really good actor.

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It is really funny 'cause I have
no idea.

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I haven't done enough research
on the real story behind this

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movie 'cause let's be frank, I
don't care.

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But Lee Iacocca is a guy that
people know still as a Titan of

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business.
And it is interesting to me that

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they paint him as like the guy
who was in the corner of

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everybody.
Whether or not that's true, that

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may just be, you know, Ford
giving the studio notes and

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being like, absolutely the hell
not.

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Like, you got to have Iacocca be
a good guy.

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Yeah, he is as much of an
overwrought good guy as Josh

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Lucas is an overwrought bad guy.
And I feel bad for Josh Lucas

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because he is a good actor and
they he's.

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Second hand Lions.
The second hand lions A

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beautiful mind, they so often
give him the smarmy asshole role

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and I I hate that that he's not
allowed to be anything but a

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smarmy asshole.
Like there's no added layer

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there, whereas with Bernthal
he's at least like a relatable

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guy who empathizes and is trying
his best.

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I just hated the sort of black
and white nature of the both of

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those characters.
Yeah, they're they are very

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obviously a yin and Yang
pairing.

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And I, I think what made it even
worse is the character of Henry

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Ford.
The second where you constantly

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see him like be bold and
foreboding and like, I run this

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company and then all of a
sudden, like 2 minutes later,

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suits are making decisions for
him and he's invisible.

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And I, I just, I don't know, it
felt like they jerk him back and

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forth like a yo-yo, like he's in
the car with Shelby and he tells

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him that, you know, he gets it
and and Ken is going to be his

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guy.
But then, you know, just a few

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minutes later, it's like, well,
yeah, but we're we're not going

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to let him actually be Ken.
And, you know, he tells Shelby,

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you're you're going to be the
art, the man storming the

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beaches of Normandy for me, like
go to Europe and win it all.

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And then actually I'm going to
appoint Leo Beebe as the the

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manager.
And it just, it just felt really

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strange to me.
I like, maybe it's accurate to

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how things went in real life,
but as a movie there was a lot

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of stuff kind of on the edges
that just felt really weird and

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contrived and kind of took me
out of the enjoyment of what I

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was watching.
I've obviously never worked as

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as closely to ACEO of such a
major organization of Ford

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Motors, but I've worked with
enough high-ranking people in

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businesses now that I think that
the I don't want to call it the

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wishy washyness, but they do a
good job of capturing how CEOs

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can get laser focused on one
thing they care about and be

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completely oblivious to
everything else that's going on

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in their organization.
And I think that they do that

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really well.
Like he truly, once he once

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Ford, I'm sorry, once Ferrari
insults him, he's all in on this

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racing thing to the point where,
you know, they they show them in

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a marketing meeting at one point
and he's not even paying

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attention.
And as soon as the phone rings,

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he answers it and he's asking
questions about did you know,

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did we win?
Did we win?

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And I really liked that.
And I think that regardless of

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how weirdly wishy washy the
script makes the character, I

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actually loved the Tracy Letts
performance.

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I, I, I really like Tracy Letts
as an actor.

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He's in so many movies as a
character actor.

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He's a great playwright and he
kind of subsidizes a lot of the

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stuff he does with acting in
movies like this.

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And I think he does a really
good job here.

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But I'm with you in that the
character is like constantly

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making decisions that I don't
understand.

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But I I also kind of know that
that's just how C-Suite people

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act a lot of times too.
Sure.

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I don't know if I've ever seen
Tracy Letts in a film before.

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Oh, interesting.
Yeah, I actually just saw him in

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a movie last night and then and
then watched him.

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Watched him in Ford versus
Ferrari too.

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00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,400
What was that movie?
That was the new movie Saturday

447
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,360
Night.
That's the new Jason Reitman

448
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:01,880
movie about the first premiere
of Saturday Night Live.

449
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,480
What's Saturday Night Live?
I've never heard of it.

450
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,480
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, man.

451
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Some shitty little show.
Brad, before we go to break,

452
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,560
anybody else in the cast you
want to talk about?

453
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,880
Do you want to knock out like
talking about Mangold here, or

454
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,000
should we wait until the
second-half for that kind of

455
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,520
stuff?
I think we can wait till the

456
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,320
second-half.
I mean, there's nobody to talk

457
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,280
about other than, you know, our
main two guys.

458
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,040
Everybody else is just kind of
window dressing.

459
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,360
Yeah.
I mean, there's a small cast of

460
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,520
supporting actors.
I mean, we could talk about

461
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,200
Christian Bale's wife and son in
the movie.

462
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,880
The wife character does not work
at all for me.

463
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,280
Like just, yeah, I she's a
supportive wife, but she's also

464
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,680
like the I wear the pants and
the family wife.

465
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,960
But then she's also like an
incredibly submissive wife.

466
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,000
And it's this weird kind of
confluence of she is whatever

467
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,360
this one scene needs her to be
that she's in.

468
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,040
I think that the performance by
the Sun is really good.

469
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,680
And there's a moment right after
they're they're kind of in the

470
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,880
hangar there at Shelby.
Christian Bale is test driving

471
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560
one of the cars.
And then it it the brakes go out

472
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,320
and the car kind of explodes and
they get Christian Bale out, but

473
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,680
the sun is really shaken and
he's talking to the one mechanic

474
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,240
guy.
And I wish I knew that guy's

475
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,040
name because he's a that guy
that's been in 100 movies, too.

476
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,440
Ray McKinnon.
Sure.

477
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,200
He's sitting down with him and
he said something about like,

478
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,720
that that guy got stuck in in
his car because the kid brings

479
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,200
up a past driver that that got
burned alive.

480
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,680
And he said, yeah, he got stuck.
And then he just kind of leans

481
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,080
in and said, like, Dad didn't
get stuck, did he?

482
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,880
And he said, no, he did not.
And it was like the most

483
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,320
emotional moment in the movie
for me.

484
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,920
It was so good.
This movie does such a good job

485
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,520
of capturing the weird ways that
guys share emotion with each

486
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,280
other without actually coming
out and saying anything.

487
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,440
Yeah, that's incredible.
And then, spoiler alert, he

488
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,200
doesn't get out of the car at
the end of the film.

489
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,560
Boy, let's talk about that for a
second.

490
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,800
Yeah, what a what a weird.
Look, I understand that reality

491
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,800
doesn't always follow
conventional movie script beats,

492
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,320
but what a weird tacked on
ending, 'cause it was like, OK,

493
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,280
the movie's over now.
And then they're like, no, no,

494
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,240
we need, we need to just show a
random Tuesday, yes, where

495
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,160
Christian Bale dies and then cut
to a six months later tacked on

496
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,280
resolution.
And then the movie can be over.

497
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,920
So weird, like it's so easy to
show it like 80s freeze frame

498
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,480
with him and like Shelby
hugging.

499
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,600
And then the vehicle they made
or you know, Ken, Ken Miles

500
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,920
passed away six months later in
a car crash at a test Speedway.

501
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:55,440
The car they created went on to
win the next 4 Le Mans and is

502
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,040
the only American car to do so
like that.

503
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,040
That's saves you about 7 minutes
right there.

504
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Yeah, I just never really
understood why they felt the

505
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,720
need to include that as a scene
because they they don't show, I

506
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,920
mean, obviously in good taste,
they don't show the aftermath of

507
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,160
him dying.
Like they they've kind of fade

508
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,280
out and fade back.
In He's Just Dead, they didn't

509
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,240
pull a George a George Lucas and
show the burnt out corpses.

510
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520
They didn't show Uncle Owen just
freaking wrecked.

511
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Yeah.
So then it's like, well, then

512
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,120
why?
Why are we doing this?

513
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,320
Like, it's it's sad, but it
would have the same effect.

514
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,520
To your point, you just put a
little like title card at the

515
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,440
end that said he died because
they end that scene by saying

516
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
like we'll get them next year.
And then the title card could

517
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,560
have just been like, they
didn't, in fact not get them

518
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,120
next year.
Ken Ken Miles did not get them

519
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,520
next year.
Yeah, dude, I don't know.

520
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:53,080
I, I, I love though the very
final interaction between Damon

521
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,360
and the sun.
And I think that's where Damon's

522
00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,000
performance really shine for me,
because it's his turn to have to

523
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,320
kind of choke back emotion And
and he just like I, I think his

524
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,720
line is something as simple as
like, your dad was my friend and

525
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,760
I'm like, he was your friend.
Like I'm to be honest, dude, it

526
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,120
got me.
And yeah, So a movie about dudes

527
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,880
being guys.
Is it a great movie?

528
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,400
I I don't think so, but we can
talk about that when we get back

529
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,920
from break.
Brad, it's time for us to drink

530
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,760
some whiskey.
So what do you say we pulled

531
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,880
down an 11 hundred $1500 bottle
off the shelf and drink some

532
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,240
William LaRue Weller?
Yeah, I would say this is the

533
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,680
Ferrari of the bourbon world.
So let's get to it, Bob.

534
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,240
All right, folks, today we are
continuing the B Tac bandwagon

535
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:58,080
of 2024 by mooching off of our
friend Zach Johnston and his

536
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,880
stock of 2023 B TAC.
So we're looking at last year's

537
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,400
supply to tell you if you should
consider going out to buy this

538
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,880
year's supply.
And we're looking at the other

539
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,960
heavy hitter in the lineup.
After last week's George T Stag,

540
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,360
we are looking at William LaRue
Weller.

541
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,200
If you've ever heard of Weller,
you know that this is the Tater

542
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,960
bourbon of all Tater bourbons.
It's Buffalo Trace's weeded

543
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,680
bourbon.
And what I mean by that is that

544
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,000
every single bottle in the
Weller vertical, from the $25

545
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,480
Special Reserve up to the
Millennium or whatever they just

546
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,720
released, it's like $5000.
There are always lines for it.

547
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,680
There's always a secondary
market for IT.

548
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,120
People seem to really love
Weller products, so like I said,

549
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,800
I think that Weller might
actually be the most sought

550
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,840
after bottle in the B Tac
lineup, especially when you're

551
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,960
folding in the taters that just
want the status symbol.

552
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,520
It's either Stag or Weller, but
I think this one takes it.

553
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,840
That that's interesting to me.
I, I feel like Stag has the

554
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,640
bigger name in what I have heard
from friends who are big whiskey

555
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,000
enthusiasts.
But I Bob, I will take your word

556
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,960
for it because at the end of the
day, B tac is B tac baby.

557
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,360
I I do think there's like a
hierarchy to it though.

558
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,520
You know, I, I really liked that
Thomas H Handy Sazerac.

559
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,480
We tried a couple seasons ago
but I think that if that was the

560
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,120
only B tac bottle I had on my
shelf, people would thumb their

561
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,400
nose at me for only having Handy
and not Weller.

562
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,080
Yeah, no, I I was drinking
whiskey with a buddy last night

563
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,440
and we were looking at the
Highland Park lineup.

564
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,640
In the Scotch world, they have a
whiskey that is a 54 year old

565
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,520
Scotch that will only cost you
39,000 lbs.

566
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,680
So which is about 52,000 US was
going.

567
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,280
To say you got to do the
conversion rate on that one.

568
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,200
Yeah, $52,000 So yeah, there's
people who can look down their

569
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,000
noses at me all they want 'cause
I will never be able to afford a

570
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,480
car's worth of whiskey.
Like with a lot of the B Tac

571
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,720
products, Weller did win a ton
of awards in the last year.

572
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,760
I'm not going to name them all
here because let's be honest, if

573
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,760
you are willing to go out and
buy a bottle of year old B Tac,

574
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,440
then nothing I say here about
awards is going to sway you one

575
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:24,840
way or the other.
This is a 12 1/2 year 133.6

576
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,000
proof weeded bourbon.
Brad, we are not messing around

577
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,800
with the proof points.
No, we're sure not.

578
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,120
Last week we were at what, 135?
Somewhere in there, yeah.

579
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400
Yeah, Stag is in the one 30s.
This is in the one 30s.

580
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,160
I know that the other ones do
not reach these heights.

581
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,600
I'm curious, do you feel like
one of the reasons these are the

582
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,280
two highest desirability rating
of the B TAC?

583
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Do you think it's just people
chasing proof?

584
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,600
I don't know because like the
Sazerac Rye, not the Thomas H

585
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,680
Handy, but just the regular
Sazerac is 18 years old in this

586
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,159
release.
It's usually 17 and it's only 90

587
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,480
proof.
They proof it all the way down

588
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,600
to 90.
So it's not necessarily the

589
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,320
oldest one and it's not
necessarily the highest proof

590
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,239
one, but this and Stag are the
two highest proofs, followed by

591
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,679
Thomas H Handy this year and
then Eagle Rare, which I think

592
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,800
is like 101 proof and then that
Sazerac.

593
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Anyway, let's go ahead and drink
this one.

594
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,560
What are you picking up on the
nose of this William LaRue

595
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:37,639
Weller?
Bro, this is a cherry pie bomb.

596
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,480
There is clove.
There's I got really like a, a

597
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:48,679
really fresh like right off the
stove corn on the cob notes with

598
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,639
like the salted butter and that
fresh corn vibe.

599
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,880
The, the salt came through.
The longer I spent with it, the

600
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,920
more I got a surprising amount
of like a really nice nutty

601
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,960
almondy note.
I think I'm at like an 8 out of

602
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,440
10 here.
It it is really nice, really

603
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,800
pleasant, but I think I was
hoping for a little more

604
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,800
complexity off of this.
Yeah, I'm kind of there with

605
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,320
you, but I think this throws
like a interesting curveball at

606
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,840
you.
You know, I when I was looking

607
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,560
up stats on the bottle, I saw a
bunch of people's tasting notes

608
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,280
and I try to avoid them, but I
kept seeing the word earthy come

609
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,000
up and I think it's a good
description.

610
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,640
This is much earthier than
Weller usually is.

611
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,120
There's, there's definitely a
dustier note here and it does

612
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,240
remind me of your cherry pie
note.

613
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,880
But kind of like if I was
holding a sheaf of wheat while

614
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,400
eating a cherry pie, it's like,
I don't know, it reminds me of,

615
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,680
we're from Ohio, so forgive the
metaphor, but it reminds me of

616
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,280
in the fall when you go do like
a corn maze and all the corn is

617
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,560
dead and you just have the corn
stalks that are brown and really

618
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,200
dry and dusty.
It reminds me a lot of that.

619
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,760
And I, I like it.
I think it adds a lot to the

620
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,840
general Weller flavour profile
and I think it's going to

621
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,040
complement these flavours well.
So yeah, I'm actually sitting at

622
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,200
a nine out of 10 on the nose
here, Brad.

623
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:15,720
I'm going to buy you a dried
corn style Cologne for Christmas

624
00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:16,960
this year, Bob.
Please do.

625
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,840
Thank you so much.
As as manly as you can be.

626
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,680
It's like Midwest manly.
Like I'm, I'm a farmer.

627
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,160
All right, Bob, as we get into
the pallets, I like I have other

628
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,360
notes, but there is a
predominant note and then a few

629
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:41,840
like additional tagalongs.
The tagalongs are like cherry

630
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,680
cola, some stone fruit, some
cinnamon that like there's some

631
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,160
really nice things going on
here.

632
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:53,960
I don't know if I have ever
drank a whiskey, just a plain

633
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,880
old straight whiskey that tasted
more like a mixed drink than

634
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,040
this one.
And I think that this tasted

635
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:08,080
like a Manhattan.
It was wild to me how I like had

636
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,480
that flash, that burst of like
nostalgia of like, this tastes

637
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,560
like a Manhattan to me.
I don't know why it is a wheat.

638
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,920
It doesn't have rye in it, but
there was something about it

639
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,280
that was like, Oh my God, this
is a really beautifully crafted

640
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,320
Manhattan.
Yeah, yeah.

641
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,840
I think that it kind of reminds
me of like, yes, there's some

642
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,960
sweet vermouth notes, but it, it
reminds me a little bit of some

643
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,200
Ancestora bitters.
And I think that there's a

644
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,480
little bit of like a maraschino
cherry, not a Brandy cherry, but

645
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,200
it has that sort of bright red
candy sweet cherry right at the

646
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,160
front end of it for me.
And not necessarily the

647
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,360
sweetness of it, but definitely
that brightness.

648
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
And you were worried that the
nose was a little bit lacking.

649
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,360
I would say the taste makes up
for that in spades.

650
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,000
There is a level of complexity
and depth here that we just

651
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680
don't typically get on weeded
bourbons.

652
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,200
Part of the reason I like weeded
bourbon so much is that it's so

653
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,920
easy to drink.
You just don't have to think

654
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,040
about it a lot.
Dude, this blows last week's

655
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,440
whiskey out of the water.
And I think that when you're

656
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,000
drinking it, when you're
drinking it, it's really, really

657
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,880
hot, more than I was expecting.
The flavor went right down the

658
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960
middle of my palate.
And then when I swallowed, it

659
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,080
was like, hey, what if we set
off a bomb that explodes up your

660
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,760
tongue again?
But even with that, is this

661
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,480
like, yeah, is this a 9 1/2 or
A10 on the taste?

662
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,080
First off, it's a Kentucky bear
hug.

663
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Like, forget about the hug.
I think it's a nine out of 10,

664
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,000
Bob.
This is not as good as the

665
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,960
George T Stag we drank last
week.

666
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,840
I'm going to give it a 10 just
because you said that it's a

667
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,200
1010 out of 10 on taste.
Now on the finish is where I

668
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,880
will Ding it just a little bit
to your point, Brad, and there's

669
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,640
nothing wrong with it.
It's really nice.

670
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,400
It it's long lasting, like it's
mouth watering.

671
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,760
I can literally feel like the
the four minute radio song with

672
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,200
a long fade out.
I can feel it fading off of my

673
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,120
palate.
Just have Hey Jude playing.

674
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,280
Yeah, we're, it's like a minute
and a half long fade out.

675
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:14,360
I I do think that it leaves a
lot of good flavor behind, but

676
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,520
it certainly is the weakest part
of the whole experience.

677
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,320
So I'm going to come down just a
little bit.

678
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,400
I think I'm going to come to an
8 out of 10 on the finish.

679
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,680
I think the finish is really
nice.

680
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,880
I'm going to stick at a nine out
of 10 here.

681
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,680
I I think that there's some
cinnamon and black pepper.

682
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,360
It gets into the the range of
stone fruit, almost like a

683
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,360
pruney type of finish, but it
has enough sweetness that I was

684
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,120
trying to categorize and I
realized eventually I was like,

685
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,560
it's just like a really nice
marshmallow like that.

686
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,800
There is a nice freshness to the
finish.

687
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,080
So like I said, 9 out of 10, I
think balance, I'm just going to

688
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,000
give it an 8 1/2.
Like I think that there's a lot

689
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,440
going on here.
There's a lot of complexity once

690
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,640
you hit the palate from the
nose.

691
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,880
It has a lot of really beautiful
flavors mixed together.

692
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,640
But and, and you know, we can
only rate things in comparison

693
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,120
to others.
I think that that George T Stag

694
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,760
is just sitting on my brain.
I I don't think this quite

695
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,200
measures up.
I feel like I should

696
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,320
retroactively go back to last
week's score on the finish and

697
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,880
give it a 10 if I already
didn't.

698
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,720
But I think that I'm also being
too harsh on this finish, so I'm

699
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,520
gonna bump it up half a point.
I'm gonna give it an 8 1/2 on

700
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,520
this week's finish, and I think
this is a nine out of 10 finish.

701
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:39,880
This is about exactly what you
could possibly want out of a

702
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520
weeded bourbon finish.
You know, the pop up flavor is

703
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,520
going to be shorter than what we
had last week.

704
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,680
The finish overall is going to
be shorter.

705
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480
But I think for this category of
whiskey, this is like the

706
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,640
Platonic ideal of finishes.
So without any value score

707
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:58,760
folded in, I'm at a 36 out of 40
on just the tasting portion of

708
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,240
this.
I'm at a 34.5 so so not too far

709
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,120
off from you.
I think that when we get to

710
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,640
value this is an interesting
conversation because this falls

711
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,000
within the official film and
whiskey luxury category.

712
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,760
Now technically it's 100 and
2025 dollars MSRP but you'll

713
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,840
never find it for that unless
you get lucky and win the

714
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,000
lottery.
And, and this is well, This is

715
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,600
why I was saying, I think this
is the most sought after bottle

716
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,320
in the B.Tech line because last
week you were saying, hey, you

717
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,640
can find this bottle of Stag for
$400.00 if you're lucky, but

718
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,800
you're probably going to be
paying $800.00.

719
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:43,520
And we were like, I just googled
William LaRue Weller 2023 and

720
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:50,080
the first 5-6 entries here are
1800 dollars, 1700 dollars, 1600

721
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:54,400
dollars, $1700.
Like this is double what the

722
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:00,760
highest ask was for Stag.
And because I like it so much,

723
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,160
I, I think that I'm probably
going to default to your way of

724
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:11,680
scoring last week, which was
just once you're in the luxury

725
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:18,000
category, there is an infinite
kind of bell curve up or what's

726
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,600
you know, what's the, the
parabola just goes up forever.

727
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,680
It's an iterative game like
right?

728
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Like if you can find this in a
lottery, it is a 48 out of 10

729
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,560
value.
Oh, 100, yeah, if if you can get

730
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,160
this for $125 and you don't
spend it, I might show up at

731
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,800
your house and do something
slapping to you.

732
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,960
Yeah, if you could find this at
$500, I'd probably still give it

733
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,880
a 10 out of 10.
I think this is like one of the

734
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,360
best whiskeys I've had in the
last year.

735
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Plus, at $1500, I Bob Book will
never spend that amount of money

736
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,000
on a bottle of whiskey and if
you want it that badly, you go

737
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,440
for it.
I think last week I just settled

738
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,040
at a 5 out of 10.
I'm going to go ahead and give

739
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:08,920
this a 7.5 out of 10 on value.
I think it is significantly

740
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,200
better than last week's whiskey,
and I could see why somebody

741
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,040
would pay astronomical amounts
for this in a way I couldn't

742
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,400
last week.
Sure.

743
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,320
I think that this is a 5 1/2 out
of 10 value for me within purely

744
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,800
within the realm of luxury
whiskey.

745
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Like I am considering this in a
certain way of thinking the

746
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:35,320
exact same value as last week's
whiskey, even though this one

747
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,040
might cost you $1000 more.
And at that luxury value of

748
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,800
whiskey, I I think this is a 5
1/2.

749
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:48,120
I don't know if it's quite
impressive enough for me to say

750
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,600
no matter the cost, this is
worth having on your bar.

751
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,520
Well, you're objectively wrong,
but besides that, what are you

752
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,000
coming out to with your score,
Brad?

753
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:05,720
Bob, even with a 5 1/2 out of
50, I am at a 40 out of 50 here

754
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:09,160
on the total score.
I'm at a 44 out of 50, which

755
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,680
feels low to me because just
drinking it I'm like, oh, this

756
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,960
is like a 90 plus whiskey.
I'm just below that at an 88 out

757
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,920
of 100 if you wanted to
extrapolate it out.

758
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,200
But on average we are at a 42
out of 50 or an 84 out of 100.

759
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Again, an 8.
When people see the number 84,

760
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,320
they think like this is AC plus
whiskey.

761
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,680
That is not the case.
But but I don't know if you

762
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,080
remember how grading works.
That is actually AB whiskey.

763
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,880
It depends.
Like some teachers would go on a

764
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,920
10 point scale.
I had a lot of teachers where AB

765
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:49,960
would go from like 80, it's
either 85 or 86 up to like a 92.

766
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,680
And then anything above that was
an.

767
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:58,120
AII don't know what teachers you
had in high school, undergrad,

768
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,360
and grad school.
I never once had a professor or

769
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,040
teacher deviate from the 10
point standard.

770
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:09,200
Yeah, I'm, I'm telling you, like
actually pretty much until I got

771
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,720
to high school, I was on that
like 7 point scale.

772
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,560
Oh, so wow, yeah.
Poor, poor you in Akron, OH

773
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
that.
Makes so much more sense now

774
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,000
because I'll I'll hear you say
something is like AB level, but

775
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,720
then you score it way lower than
I would expect you to score and

776
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,560
I'm like, that's that sounds
like see dude.

777
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,440
That That's because every human
in America other than you uses a

778
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,840
10 point scale for their letter
grade system.

779
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,440
Hey, blame.
Blame the Catholic school that I

780
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,520
came up with.
They were.

781
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:43,640
Just you.
You know what?

782
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,920
Blaming the Catholics is a
pretty easy out.

783
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,680
So forget the Catholics.
Here we are drinking delicious

784
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,520
whiskey, which, if we're being
honest, Bob, the Catholics love

785
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,960
to drink.
Beyond the Catholics loving to

786
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,760
drink, I love this whiskey.
Do you recommend this and in

787
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,600
what capacity?
If you are out to buy a bottle

788
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,200
of this and you know the price,
you know what you're getting

789
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,560
into, I would recommend buying
this.

790
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,720
Like it is an incredibly unique
experience.

791
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,000
I have never drank a straight
whiskey that tasted 100% like a

792
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,280
mixed drink before.
So that, like, it's a

793
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,480
fascinating pour.
If you are out to buy a DRAM of

794
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:33,440
this and you spend $55 on a
single pour, like I, I think

795
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,640
that's worth it.
I, I think it's a good pour that

796
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,200
if you know what you're getting
into it, it's a good time.

797
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,520
But at the end of the day, like
you are going to pay a premium

798
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,960
for this and if you're OK with
that, then go for it.

799
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,840
All right, well, there you go.
I I feel like that was a very

800
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,520
diplomatic non answer in this in
this time of a general election

801
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,200
season.
Is it, do you want me to go back

802
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,640
to what was it season 2 or
season 3 that we drank a bunch

803
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,720
of B tack?
I think.

804
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,160
Three.
All right, so Season 3, Brad

805
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,760
would go F Buffalo Trace.
They're the worst.

806
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,000
They can go kick rocks.
WL Weller can drown in the

807
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,640
river.
That's funny, dude.

808
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,560
All right, I recommend, I think
if you can find a pour of it,

809
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,160
it's probably going to cost you
like $60.00 a pour.

810
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,720
This is the best thing I've had
in a long time.

811
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,360
This is a celebration pour.
I mean, similarly to last week's

812
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
whiskey, it just kind of depends
on what your preferred

813
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,920
wheelhouse is.
This is closer to mine, so I'm

814
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,480
going to recommend.
Brad is, you know, gunning for a

815
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,120
vice president nomination
someday.

816
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,520
I'd be a hell of a vice
president, man.

817
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,880
You'd be something.
All right, dude, let's get back

818
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,840
into talking about Ford versus
Ferrari.

819
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,880
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

820
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:55,720
All right, everybody.
That was William LaRue Weller

821
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:04,960
from 2023, a whiskey that is
really, really expensive.

822
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,720
And damned good.
What a very good.

823
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,760
What a freaking whiskey.
Yeah.

824
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,800
No, I mean, I would say it is an
incredible whiskey, but at what

825
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,880
cost, Bob?
We're back to the Oppenheimer

826
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,280
question.
Yeah, exactly.

827
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:22,960
This is the Trinity test of
whiskeys.

828
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,160
All right, man.
It is time for us to get into

829
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,320
our second segment, our first
game of the day, which we call 2

830
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,160
facts and a falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stumpy

831
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:43,960
ball 2 are right and what is
wrong 2 facts and a falsehood. 2

832
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,400
Facts and a Falsehood is the
part of the show where Brad

833
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,360
presents me with three items
about the making of this movie,

834
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,600
all of which are presented as
fact, one of which is a complete

835
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,440
lie and I have to guess which
one that is Brad.

836
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,960
I am sitting pretty here at 3
and O on the season and as I

837
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:05,240
said I did absolutely 0 research
into this movie so you could

838
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:08,040
just name 3 car parts and ask me
which one is fake.

839
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:09,840
I would not know.
I know nothing about.

840
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,560
Cars, dude, I should have done
that.

841
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,240
That's that's a good tip there.
I'm just going to start

842
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:17,840
interjecting random car parts to
show how much I know.

843
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Alternator exhaust pipe tire.
Door.

844
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,840
All right, man, hit me with your
two facts and a falsehood.

845
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,400
Oh.
Facts #1 Christian Bale was

846
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,640
originally set to play Enzo
Ferrari in Michael Mann's

847
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,000
Ferrari 2023, but dropped out
due to concerns he had regarding

848
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,320
getting to the proper wait in
time for the role.

849
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,400
Man replaced him with Adam
Driver, which feels like at this

850
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,920
point in Adam Driver's career,
if he's not in every single

851
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:01,280
racing movie as the main driver,
like what's, what are we?

852
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,880
What are we even doing in
Hollywood?

853
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:09,080
Fact #2 The claret and blue
jersey that Ken Miles son wears

854
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,680
during one of the scenes is a
replica of the one worn in the

855
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,240
1960s by the English football
team Aston Villa.

856
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,880
Fact #3 Attempting to stay as
close to a realistic race as

857
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,400
possible, director James Mangold
insisted that they shoot all the

858
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,400
race scenes on site at each of
the historic race tracks with

859
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,800
only light CGI additions made in
post production.

860
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,920
That sounds fake.
Hollywood doesn't do that

861
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,520
anymore.
I mean I like James Mangold as a

862
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,000
director.
I'm just wondering how much of A

863
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,520
leash they gave him now.
This was pre pandemic and it was

864
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:49,120
pre Mandalorian when they
started using that stupid

865
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,040
surround sound green screen
thing.

866
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,440
The volume or whatever it's
called.

867
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,160
I think 1 is true.
So that leaves two and three.

868
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,240
I don't know anything about
colors and and football teams,

869
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:03,760
so I'll say 3 is false.
That just jumped out to me as

870
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,200
the falsehood, and I'm going to
lock that one in, Brad.

871
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,360
Bob, you are absolutely driving
your way to success.

872
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,720
Hey, did I get it right?
You did four and O four and O

873
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,880
baby Oh.
Man, what a freaking streak,

874
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,600
Brad.
This might be your longest win

875
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,000
streak.
It's pretty bad.

876
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,560
That's 4 is the longest, I
think.

877
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,000
No, I think a couple seasons ago
I did like seven or eight in a

878
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,600
row and then I just then I was
resting on my laurels and I took

879
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,320
an absolute nose dive after
that.

880
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Yeah, you sure did.
So don't, don't do that this

881
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,200
time, Bob, I'm.
Gonna try my best.

882
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,160
All right, dude, let's get back
into talking about the movie.

883
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:48,720
And I think what we can do is
try to let's try to situate why

884
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,400
is this movie so beloved,
especially as opposed to other

885
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:58,240
dad movies, race car movies.
And then let's try to construct

886
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,800
a better version of it, since I
think both of us are going to

887
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,040
answer no to our big question
today of is this a a time

888
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,240
capsule movie?
Yeah, yeah.

889
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,640
No, this is not even close to
being a time capsule movie.

890
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,040
OK, so let's start with the dad
movie side of things.

891
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,960
Like what is it about this movie
that is making it appeal to so

892
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,200
many people?
Because this is, I mean, it's

893
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:25,680
IMDb top 250.
It made $100 million.

894
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,960
It's a best picture nominee.
I will say I don't think that

895
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,000
it's an incompetently made
movie.

896
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,720
It's not like a Bohemian
Rhapsody that snuck in.

897
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,960
And I'm like, how the hell did
this actually get nominated?

898
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,360
It's a well made film.
It just kind of strikes me as

899
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,960
like we've done 1 James Mangold
movie on the on the podcast

900
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,200
before.
It was Walk the line.

901
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,640
And I think mangled when he's at
his best is allowed to kind of

902
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:55,440
dive into a world and make you
feel like the shabbiness of it.

903
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,600
You really felt like the down on
their luck nature of everybody

904
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,120
in walk the line.
And in this movie, he reminds me

905
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,920
much more of there's a there's a
director called John Lee

906
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,880
Hancock.
He made Saving Mr. Banks.

907
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,800
He made this movie called The
Founder with Michael Keaton,

908
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,600
which is a good movie.
But all his movies look so

909
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,880
bright and sanitized and like
they're made on sets and like

910
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,520
the costumes people are wearing
are not their real clothes.

911
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,120
And this movie feels like that.
It feels like the Disney fied

912
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,320
version of what happened.
I mean I just like I've seen so

913
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,760
many good race car movies the
last 15 years.

914
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:40,360
Like why is this the one man?
I really don't know, like this

915
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,840
has been on my list for a while
to watch.

916
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,680
I was excited to see it on for
the season and I I think that

917
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:55,120
this movie just really focuses
too heavily on two mostly boring

918
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,640
characters and like, you know,
they have their moments and

919
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:03,400
they're they're competently
acted, but man, oh man, it takes

920
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,720
a really long time to get
anywhere.

921
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,800
And I think paired with that, I
I'm going to be honest with you,

922
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,720
Bob, I don't love racing movies.
They just don't, they don't do

923
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:19,000
it for me, man.
Like I think that in filming a

924
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:26,480
race, in filming a car going
fast, it's so hard because the

925
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,880
only way we actually understand
speed in the real world is by

926
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:36,640
standing still and like having
something move past us at a rate

927
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,120
that is faster than things we
normally have moved past us.

928
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:45,320
Like, like, and so most of any
racing movie I ever watch, you

929
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,760
know, it's very rare to have
like stand still shots where the

930
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,640
camera doesn't move at all and
you just get the cars whipping

931
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,760
past.
And if you get that, it's like

932
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,240
maybe once in the film and the
rest of the movie, it's like

933
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,360
cameras hanging off the side
watching the main character's

934
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,800
car come up behind another one
and, and you lose all real sense

935
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,560
of speed in almost any racing
movie I've ever seen.

936
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,040
And I I just don't end up being
very impressed.

937
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,520
The the moments of this film
that did impress me were when

938
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,960
Ken Miles is in the car singing
happy because of like the beauty

939
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,040
of the moment and that feeling
of relief of like I did it, I

940
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,160
won lemon and like those like
those are the cool moments of

941
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,800
the film for me.
None of the actual racing

942
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,200
really.
I don't know got my my red

943
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,120
blooded Americanness like up and
boiling.

944
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,240
Let's talk a little bit about
Top Gun Maverick.

945
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:48,360
I've mentioned it before, and
the thing about Top Gun Maverick

946
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,080
is that that movie freaking
rules.

947
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,720
But in addition to that, what I
love about this movie and good

948
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,120
racing movies that Top Gun
Maverick also does is good

949
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,480
camera placement on the exterior
and interior of a vehicle.

950
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:08,320
And racing movies, when they're
well done, are are supposed to

951
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,160
come at you so quickly.
And they do come at you so

952
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,680
quickly with the edits, with the
cuts.

953
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,920
And you're expected to take in
so much information so quickly

954
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,480
that when they're working, you
don't notice the mechanics of

955
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,520
how the movies put together.
And I will say that the Le Mans

956
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,480
sequence in this movie is a very
well done race sequence.

957
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,360
And they do a really good job of
especially with the, you know,

958
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,280
like in the second Le Mans,
Ferrari has that new model that

959
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,680
they're racing and it has the
huge like humps with like the

960
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,960
nipples on top of it on the
wheel wells.

961
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,240
It like they mount cameras on
that.

962
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,760
And so you kind of see a little
bit of the tire spinning on the

963
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,720
right side of the screen as
they're like you can see

964
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,720
everything up ahead of them on
the left side of the screen.

965
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,560
Great camera angle.
Top Gun Maverick does the same

966
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,000
thing by mounting cameras both
inside the cockpit and then at

967
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,080
really strategic places like
under the wing of the fighters.

968
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:07,600
I love it when you you feel like
you're observing a real world

969
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,000
thing from an angle that you
could never be at.

970
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,440
That's really cool to me.
And so I think that they

971
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,160
actually do that really well.
Where Top Gun Maverick, I think

972
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,080
kind of tops this movie is that
it does the nuts and bolts shots

973
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,640
really well, but it also gives
you like really cool pay off

974
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,480
shots.
Like there are shots in Top Gun

975
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,120
Maverick where you're like, how
the fuck did they do?

976
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,200
Like that is the coolest shot
I've ever seen.

977
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,640
Yes.
And in Ford V Ferrari, it may

978
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,640
just be a limitation of like
guys driving in a circle.

979
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,320
You, you don't really get even
when they do a wide shot now

980
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,920
it's just like, OK, now there's
seven guys driving in a circle.

981
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,560
It doesn't have the like
immediate oh crap factor that

982
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:57,640
planes flying do.
Well, and the stakes feel weird

983
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,840
because like, at the end of the
day, racing is a really weird

984
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,840
sport.
Like, you know, like we've we've

985
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:09,920
talked about Patrick Williams
and how he talks about baseball

986
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:15,360
being the best sports movie.
And I I still think I'm with him

987
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,920
because in racing it's like AI
don't think they do a good

988
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:24,480
enough job establishing the
geography of the racetrack.

989
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,960
And and like that even includes
like they spend time with Ken

990
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,080
Miles sub following the
racetrack.

991
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,760
And like, great, as he's doing
that, you're like, I know why

992
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,280
They're like, they're trying to
explain the layouts that we

993
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,960
don't ask questions later.
And that scene, that scene does

994
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,000
not work at all, dude.
But he here's what makes it

995
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,840
work.
Like as Ken Miles is explaining

996
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:53,600
it to his son, flash to the
actual freaking track, show a a

997
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:59,560
plane shot hovering over the
stretch and like, like, move

998
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,000
along as if you are seeing the
race happen.

999
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,960
And then the geography has been
set.

1000
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,960
Now you get the payoff of the
actual race happening.

1001
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,800
And I, I know this track, I've
been here before.

1002
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,080
I haven't just seen it drawn on
a taped together serial

1003
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,240
cardboard box.
Which is what Top Gun Maverick

1004
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,400
does.
Like they literally visualize

1005
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,600
the course that they're going to
fly multiple times before you

1006
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,720
get there.
So they net like once you're in

1007
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,640
it, they don't have to leave at
all to explain anything.

1008
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,000
And dude, man, hey, guess what?
And then my boy.

1009
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040
Yeah, I was just saying.
Then my boy Tom Cruise gets in

1010
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,680
it and does it faster than
everyone else, proving that it's

1011
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:40,600
possible.
Bob.

1012
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,880
I'm really glad you brought up
Patrick Williams because he

1013
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,880
literally just made a video
about racing movies, I don't

1014
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,800
know, a month ago, like, and it
was a really, really great video

1015
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,000
about why racing movies are
good.

1016
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,760
So I would suggest you watch it
because I think you're the

1017
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,320
target audience for convincing
that racing movies are good.

1018
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,080
But I will say before we move
off of this part of it, I really

1019
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,720
liked when towards the end of
the film when he's in that kind

1020
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,320
of like neck and neck race with
the Ferrari driver and they

1021
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,120
start showing little insert
shots of like.

1022
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,120
They're underneath the pedal,
like the, the brake pedal.

1023
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:23,680
And you can kind of see like the
hinge on the brake pad, like

1024
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,040
things, angles of the car that a
human being could never actually

1025
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,240
see.
I'd love that kind of stuff in

1026
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,960
racing movies where there's, you
know, a, a washer that's about

1027
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,200
to fly off somewhere inside the
car and they keep cutting to the

1028
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,000
shot of the washer, like
jiggling.

1029
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,560
That kind of stuff is always
like, yeah, dude, we're inside

1030
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,400
of a car.
I don't even know where this is

1031
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,760
but I'm watching it.
It's like when Sebulba walks

1032
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,120
past Anakin's pod and like,
breaks a little piece off and

1033
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:51,960
then as he's racing, it's
jiggling.

1034
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:52,960
It's not.
To fall off.

1035
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,640
So OK, so that was going to be
my question.

1036
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,840
Why is it for you that race car
movies don't work, but like a

1037
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:04,400
Ben Hur chariot sequence or a
pod racing sequence?

1038
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,160
Is it like specifically the
speed of those things is like,

1039
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,000
what is it about those that work
better than automobiles?

1040
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:20,280
Sound design, like do the sound
design in Ben Hur for that

1041
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,000
chariot race, the thundering of
the hooves.

1042
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,520
Obviously like Phantom Menace
wins the Oscar for for best

1043
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,560
sound design or production or
whatever, whatever that award is

1044
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,280
called.
And it's because that pod race

1045
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:38,120
sounds freaking awesome.
Like every single pod has its

1046
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:44,840
own distinct thrum and like
rumbling and like the sound

1047
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:49,360
design of those two specific
examples is off the charts.

1048
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:56,960
And if I'm being frank, every
single car revving like sounds

1049
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,200
similar enough.
I know they don't sound the

1050
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,440
same, but they sound similar
enough that I'm just not that

1051
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,440
impressed.
And I I know that I just made

1052
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:12,480
like half of American males
angry, but cars aren't that

1053
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,920
impressive, everybody.
Dude, what a weird role reversal

1054
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:22,400
we are in this week.
You are being the the liberal

1055
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,160
snowflake.
Yeah, I'm over here drinking the

1056
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,720
King of beers and talking about
how cool cars are.

1057
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,440
Yeah, and here's the thing, man,
I like I have driven fast cars

1058
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,240
before.
I get it, man.

1059
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,840
It's really fun to be going 72
miles an hour, barely touch on

1060
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,880
the gas, and all of a sudden
you're at like 87 in a

1061
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,720
heartbeat.
I'm like, yeah, 100%, really,

1062
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,200
really fun.
All right?

1063
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,600
At the end of the day, there's a
lot of way cooler things in life

1064
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,400
than cars.
Go vroom.

1065
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,840
So Brad, you are a script
doctor.

1066
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,240
You've been brought in to look
at the script for Ford V

1067
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,320
Ferrari, which is running too
long.

1068
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:03,760
The studio's been giving you
notes.

1069
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,840
This is 150 minute movie.
We want it to be like 130 tops.

1070
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,960
Where are you making cuts and
why?

1071
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:18,560
Kill Ken Miles earlier.
Just just knock.

1072
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,520
Him off a real person you're
talking about an actual man.

1073
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,680
What is wrong with you?
Like his children Could very

1074
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,240
well be listening to this
podcast.

1075
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,680
If his children are listening to
this podcast, Peter, I, I

1076
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,200
believe his son's name was, I
think your dad is probably a

1077
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,800
great guy.
I think that if I'm fixing this

1078
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:46,280
script, I think that I'm almost
cutting the character of Lee Leo

1079
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,120
Beebe.
Like, he's not necessary to the

1080
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,120
movie.
Like you, you don't need this

1081
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,440
corporate bad guy in a suit.
You can just have orders come

1082
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,400
down to Shelby and I, I don't
know, like the, the most

1083
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,760
important thing he does is get
locked in Matt Damon's office

1084
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,080
and you don't need any set up
for that.

1085
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,720
He could have showed up just for
that one scene and you could

1086
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,440
have never seen him the rest of
the movie.

1087
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,040
And I think that would have been
totally fine.

1088
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,560
I I will say that they kept
finding ways to make him more

1089
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,360
dastardly.
And you know, Brad, I work in

1090
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,680
marketing, so it was kind of
funny to me that like the bad

1091
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,240
guy of the movie is like a
marketing guy.

1092
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Oh, yeah, of course.
But but there were times where I

1093
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,080
was like, OK, like, maybe he
seems like an A hole to these

1094
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,800
guys who are trying to build a
car, but he's actually like

1095
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,000
doing a very good job at
marketing.

1096
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,840
Like choosing to have all three
guys cross the line at the same

1097
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,320
time for a photo op is the most
brilliant marketing strategy

1098
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,480
anyone can think of.
Not realizing, oh, he actually

1099
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:53,720
knew that he knew the rule about
the guy running to the car and

1100
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,080
that Ken Miles would lose.
And this was completely

1101
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,480
vindictive.
And I thought that final little

1102
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,440
twist of the knife was actually
really well done.

1103
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,880
But I'm with you.
I wonder sometimes, like, was

1104
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,160
this Leo Beebe character a
compromise?

1105
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,280
As they're like talking to the
Ford Corporation as they write

1106
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,600
the script and they're like,
well, you can't make Henry Ford

1107
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,160
do bad things.
You can't make Lee Iacocca do

1108
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,640
bad things.
So like, here's this other guy,

1109
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:24,000
here's a sacrificial lamb for
you to to tarnish his legacy.

1110
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,120
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.

1111
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,200
And I, I read a little bit about
some of the characters.

1112
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,240
Leo Beebe apparently was
actually a really great guy and

1113
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,840
like, super down to earth and
really chill.

1114
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,640
So, you know, freaking
assassinated his character.

1115
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,840
Oh, 100%.
That poor guy.

1116
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,720
Yeah, Josh Lucas did him dirty,
man.

1117
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,120
OK, so you're cutting Leo Bibi.
Do you think that solves the

1118
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,200
movie's problems?
And if not, is it, is it a

1119
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,520
script thing?
Is a direction thing?

1120
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,640
Like would the more gritty
version of this movie work

1121
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,600
better?
Or is it just kind of, I don't

1122
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,000
know, it might like my theory on
the movie working as well as it

1123
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,440
does.
Or the reason it's so endearing

1124
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:12,280
is that it like it really does
appeal to the this is America,

1125
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,120
we have ingenuity, we will do
what it takes.

1126
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,240
Also, weren't the 60s
incredible?

1127
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,760
Look how clean everything was.
Cars were great back then.

1128
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,880
Like it's just a nostalgia trip
dude.

1129
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,000
Yeah, 100%.
And at the end of the day, man,

1130
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,880
like America was great.
We won four years in a row and

1131
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,160
you know, we haven't won again
and.

1132
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,800
Who cares?
But like I was going to say, we

1133
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,200
won four rows of four wars in a
row.

1134
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:44,520
It's like, oh damn, OK.
The rest of the world can suck

1135
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,880
it.
Oh, man.

1136
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,320
No, Like, like, you know, we win
Le Mans four years in a row and

1137
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,880
we established dominance and
then we're like, yeah, OK, peace

1138
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:53,680
out.
We're done.

1139
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,320
I also like how that's where the
story ends.

1140
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,880
It's not like eventually we
lost.

1141
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,440
It's like you were too good for
this race.

1142
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,520
Yeah, yeah.
Dude, I'm going to be honest

1143
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,640
with you.
I think that this movie is about

1144
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,240
as good as it can be.
Like, unless you are getting a

1145
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,600
vastly different director who
really takes it stylistically a

1146
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:19,000
different direction, like
there's not a single shot in

1147
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,240
this movie that makes me go, oh,
James Mangold.

1148
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Yeah, like, look at you, you
devil.

1149
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:25,720
Look at what you did to this
movie.

1150
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,040
It's incredible.
I like there's not a single

1151
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:35,480
moment of this movie that makes
me really excited about what's

1152
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,520
happening on screen.
Brad, I think that's a perfect

1153
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,160
segue into our final segment of
the day, which we call Let's

1154
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,360
Make it a Double presented by
Blackwood Distilling Co.

1155
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,000
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

1156
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,880
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

1157
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,320
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1158
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:55,680
It's the final segment of the
day.

1159
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,440
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make it a double is the

1160
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,880
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1161
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,880
to make the perfect double
feature?

1162
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,720
Brad, I've been thinking about
movies that I could pair this

1163
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,640
with, you know, you know, it,
it's funny, we brought up

1164
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,720
Michael Mann's Ferrari a little
bit ago, a movie I loved because

1165
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:18,080
I feel like the the overriding
theme of this movie is guys who

1166
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,200
can't emote and use their work
to cover up their emotional

1167
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:24,520
shortcomings, which is very
Michael Mann, you know, that's

1168
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,800
this is heat, but it's, it's
like sanitized heat.

1169
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:33,720
So I'm actually going to pivot
my Let's Make it a Double is

1170
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,240
another racing movie.
And it's a movie that I really

1171
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,600
want you to go watch now because
I think based on what you said

1172
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,640
about this movie, that you'll
really like this movie.

1173
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,479
It's a movie from 2013.
Also in the IMDb top 250, it's

1174
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,760
called Rush.
It's a movie directed by Ron

1175
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,720
Howard.
It stars Chris Hemsworth and

1176
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,520
Daniel Bruhl in a true story
about rival F1 racers.

1177
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,640
And it is significantly more
kind of down to earth and gritty

1178
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,600
and grounded.
It's an R rated movie.

1179
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,080
So like they get a little bit
more adult with the themes.

1180
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:10,720
It's two hours and 3 minutes,
not 2 hours and 30 minutes.

1181
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,520
And I just think having watched
them both now, I was really kind

1182
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,960
of wondering if I should have
put Rush on the list.

1183
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,800
And now that I've watched 4V
Ferrari, I, Rush is the better

1184
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,920
movie to me.
And I think you'd really like

1185
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,399
that one, Brad.
So I'm going to pick Rush.

1186
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:28,200
Yeah, I will definitely not
watch that movie.

1187
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:35,040
For me, I think that I'm going
to pair this with a movie we

1188
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,200
have watched on the podcast
before.

1189
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,640
And it's a movie that I remember
absolutely nothing about.

1190
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,120
And I think that I will be in
the same place with Ford V

1191
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,160
Ferrari like 3 or 4 years from
now.

1192
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,800
I'm going to pair this with
Straight Outta Compton.

1193
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,200
Wait, So what?
What was the reasoning there?

1194
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,360
It's a biopic that I don't
remember anything about.

1195
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,080
I will say from week to week,
you forget most of the things

1196
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,920
about most of the movies we
watch.

1197
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,720
So you really could have paired
this with any movie we've talked

1198
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,480
about.
Sure, Yeah.

1199
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,520
Yeah, Oppenheimer, what even
happened do?

1200
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,520
You really think that, like, you
will never go watch Rush in

1201
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,000
spite of the fact that, like,
you have a recommendation for

1202
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,800
me, the guy who knows your movie
taste better than anyone else,

1203
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,720
telling you that I think you
will like it?

1204
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,240
Yeah.
I I.

1205
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,200
I watch a movie a week for this
podcast, Bob.

1206
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,960
I mean I'm not saying watch it
today, I just think like if you

1207
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,880
ever get around to if if it pops
up on Netflix, like I think it

1208
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,440
would be worth a watch.
Sound.

1209
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:45,240
Sound design is great.
Yeah, I I do love me some good

1210
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,920
sound design.
I, I think the problem would be

1211
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:53,760
that I, it has not imprinted in
my brain enough for me to like,

1212
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,600
see it pop up on Netflix and go,
oh, that's the movie Bob said I

1213
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:01,160
should watch.
Like, I've never heard of that

1214
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,920
movie.
Like, I didn't know it existed

1215
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,840
until 10 seconds ago.
And I like, I have my own list

1216
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,600
of films that I like, want to
watch that I haven't seen yet.

1217
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,160
I have movies that I want to
watch again from the podcast.

1218
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,760
Like, I was just thinking about
The Secret Life of Walter Mitty

1219
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,960
today and I was like, man, I, I
really want to go back and watch

1220
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,600
that movie.
So like, I, I don't know, man,

1221
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,000
there's, there's a lot on the
docket.

1222
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,920
I will throw it on the pile
gladly.

1223
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,480
It's like in it's like in Akiru
when they just keep taking

1224
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,760
problems that the city is facing
and just keep adding it to their

1225
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,760
pile of papers.
I hate that this is the

1226
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,880
situation that this movie is in
for you, but I love that you

1227
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,480
explained it by making it an
Akiru reference.

1228
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,320
So you got it man.
It's like any Kiru you.

1229
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,640
You're such a snob now.
I love it so much, man.

1230
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,600
All right, let's make it a
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1231
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,960
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1232
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,800
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1233
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,640
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1234
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:04,840
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1235
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,480
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1236
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:07,840
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1237
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,120
Brad, let's go ahead and give
this movie some final scores.

1238
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,520
I think I'm higher on this movie
than you are, and I'm in a very

1239
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:20,840
similar place to the help.
Like it is a movie that I can

1240
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,920
see why it it doesn't work for a
lot of people.

1241
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,040
It's it's cheesy, it's
sanitized.

1242
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:30,880
I think that once you get to Le
Mans, the final, I don't know,

1243
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,800
40 minutes of this movie are
just really great filmmaking.

1244
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,920
So I've been vacillating between
a 7 1/2 and an 8.

1245
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:43,280
I think I'll give it.
I'll give it a 7 1/2 out of 10.

1246
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,120
I think I'm going to sit at A7
Bob like it's it's a well made

1247
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,480
film.
There's some good acting.

1248
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,480
Like honestly, I might be a
little lower if not for the

1249
01:12:55,480 --> 01:13:00,720
scene of Matt Damon driving
Tracy Letts in the in the race

1250
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:05,160
car 'cause I like, I don't know
if I've ever seen a more

1251
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:12,200
efficient expression of the idea
that experience will trump

1252
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:18,240
knowledge any day of the week.
Like like so well done.

1253
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:23,080
And it's, it's such a beautiful
imagery of a very important life

1254
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,520
lesson.
And I'm like, OK, I like I can

1255
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,280
get down with that, but I can
also just go Google that scene

1256
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,640
and show it to people and not
make them watch a 2 1/2 hour

1257
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,120
movie.
This is like the epitome of a

1258
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,520
YouTube shorts movie too because
the acting is slightly cheesy.

1259
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,400
There's everyone has their
little lines that they say and

1260
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,040
then everyone in the comments
goes, oh what a great what great

1261
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,680
life advice like this is.
This is one of those movies for

1262
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,720
sure.
Brad, I'm going to throw you a

1263
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,440
curveball here.
Next week is our Halloween

1264
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:56,840
episode.
Like it's coming out two days

1265
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,000
before Halloween, which is
complete coincidence.

1266
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:03,800
Our movie for the week is the
film Whiplash, a movie that I

1267
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,080
love and that I remember when I
saw it in 2014.

1268
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,240
My review of it said like this
is the most terrifying movie

1269
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,560
I've seen all year.
Yeah, I was going to say it is

1270
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,600
an emotionally horrifying film.
We also have a couple movies on

1271
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,560
the docket that would be kind of
appropriate.

1272
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:23,600
So the following week is Bong
Joon Ho's Parasite, a film that

1273
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,760
has weird, creepy elements to
it.

1274
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,120
And there's also, a few weeks
after that, David Fincher's

1275
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,880
movie Zodiac.
Do you want to keep Whiplash

1276
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,960
where it's at, or should we bump
something else up into the

1277
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:40,240
Halloween slot?
I think that's up to you, Bob.

1278
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:44,280
I I have seen Whiplash in
Parasite.

1279
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:49,440
I have not seen Zodiac.
So if you want me to watch a new

1280
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:57,760
horrifying film for for the The
Hallows Eve, then I'm in man.

1281
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,840
I'm OK with waiting on whiplash
or on Zodiac.

1282
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,600
I just worry that like I'm
counting the weeks now and I'm

1283
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,720
like, is this going to come out
like at Thanksgiving time?

1284
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,440
Like, are we going to be like,
I'm so thankful for this

1285
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:12,600
horrific series of serial
murders?

1286
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Actually, yes, it it comes out
two days before Thanksgiving.

1287
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,880
Yeah, let's do it, Bob.
We have Thanksgiving.

1288
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,440
We should make everybody feel.
Better.

1289
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,760
That's funny, man.
All right dude, we're going to

1290
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,600
do whiplash next week.
So to close out this week, we

1291
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:30,280
are at a 7.25 out of 10 on Ford
V Ferrari.

1292
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:31,800
But we'd like to know what you
think.

1293
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,520
Did we miss the boat on this dad
movie classic?

1294
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,400
You can let us know on any of
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1295
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,480
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1296
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:45,200
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Or you can join the conversation

1297
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,560
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We are on there every single day

1298
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,280
talking to you guys, fans of the
Film and Whiskey podcast.

1299
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,440
So if you'd like to join the
conversation, you can find a

1300
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:56,640
link at the end of every single
one of our show notes.

1301
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:02,520
Next week it's Damien Chazelle's
2014 freaking masterpiece,

1302
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:04,960
Mclash.
Magnum opus.

1303
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,320
So we'll see you next week for
that one, but until then, I'm

1304
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,080
Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1305
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:11,800
And we'll see you next time.