Dunkirk / Chivas Regal Mizunara

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As we get into today's episode,
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Whiskey In 2017, Director
Christopher Nolan and star Finn

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Whitehead gave the world a
stunningly quiet war drama that

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flies in the face of World War
Two epics.

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In 2023 we make a return trip to
the UK to try a specially

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finished Scotch.
The film is Dunkirk.

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The whiskey is Shivas Regal
Mizunarra Finish.

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And we'll review them both this
is.

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The Film and Whiskey podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad Gee.
And this week we are looking at

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Christopher Nolan's 2017 war
epic that still only runs 100

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minutes long.
Dunkirk.

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Dude, when I started this film
and I saw that there's an hour

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and 47 minutes on the clock, I
was super pumped.

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Is this the shortest war movie
in like the last 50 years?

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I just can't believe that that
he successfully made a World War

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Two movie in less than two
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Yeah, and honestly, like.
The film finished and I think

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there's like 9 minutes of
credits.

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So like it's legitimately like
an hour and 38 hour and 39

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minutes.
It's the shortest war film ever

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made.
Ever.

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We're just going to call it now.
That's it, man.

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You know, it's really funny that
you mentioned that I was

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actually looking today.
About a year ago, I watched John

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Houston's adaptation of the book
The Red Badge of Courage.

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Which is a movie that he made
like in the early 50s and it was

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2 hours long and then the studio
took it from him and cut it down

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to like 65 minutes.
So it's it's like a super short

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movie, Brad.
It is one of the best war movies

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I have ever seen in my life and
I was looking for it on Blu-ray.

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It is not available on Blu-ray.
I can't fight it anywhere.

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Disappointing.
Yeah.

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Pissed me off a little bit.
I wanted to buy.

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It come on criterion.
What are you doing?

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I can't wait till the day where
we get to watch that 65 minute

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masterpiece, Brad.
Yeah, I'm in, dude.

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Was it streaming somewhere?
It was when I watched it.

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I don't think it is now.
So you just can't watch the

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movie?
You can pay.

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I guess you could find like a
VHS or something.

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Well, you can pay $4.00 and
watch it on any of the

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streamers, but you know it's not
streaming with your subscription

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anywhere, is what I'm saying.
I mean, I will say like your

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$4.00 doesn't go quite as far if
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of content.
That's what I'm saying.

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You got to spend that on, like,
Gone With the Wind or something,

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man, Exactly $1.00 per hour.
All right, man, let's start

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talking about Dunkirk.
A movie that is, I'm hesitant to

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call a classic.
You know, we start the podcast

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off by saying a classic movie
and a glass of whiskey.

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This movie's only like 6.
Years old?

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Yeah, we do.
We do say that too.

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Sure.
Sure.

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It's a six year old movie.
It's one of the more recent

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films we've done on the show.
But you know we've broken down

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before what a classic means in
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And I'd always talk about how
when I was growing up, TNT had

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that series that they called new
Classics.

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Which was just like movies that
Ted Turner wants to get

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residuals off of.
So he's putting, and this seems

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very much like that.
Like if a classic has a lot to

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do with being a very popular
movie by a very popular

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filmmaker, then this certainly
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Yeah, and I it's interesting
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I was looking at this on IMDb.
It has a 7.8 I believe and I

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feel like that makes this the
least.

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Nolan, Broy.
Nolan Movie Ever to Be Noland.

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Yeah, you know what?
When this movie came out, I

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remember a lot of people went to
see it and made, I think, almost

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1/2 billion dollars worldwide.
And by the time the Oscars

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rolled around, the general vibe
on this movie was incredible.

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Craftsmanship, signature Nolan
chronology.

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You know, mess up.
And then.

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Not much else.
Like, I feel like this movie

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left a lot of people very cold
and kind of underscored for a

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lot of people what Nolan's
trajectory has kind of become,

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especially with Tennant after
this, where his characters get

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less and less fleshed out to the
point where in Tennant the main

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character's name is the
protagonist.

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Like he doesn't even have a name
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That feels like an old Charlie
Chaplin type of.

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Title.
I love that.

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I would have watched that more
than Tenant, honestly, but this

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movie does kind of feel like it
has one foot in his crowd

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pleasing Hollywood blockbuster
mentality and 1 foot in his

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desire to kind of push the
boundaries of what narrative can

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be.
I'm really excited to talk to

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you about it, Brad, because I
don't know that it entirely

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works for me, but I really
respect it.

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Yeah, I think overall coming
into this film, I I knew that

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there was like some time warp
type of things.

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And I knew that a lot of people
focused on just that, that they

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were like it's just no one doing
his stupid time stuff again.

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And I feel like that was just
kind of the vibe I got about the

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movie and I am very happy to say
I thought this movie was

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incredible, Bob.
Yeah, it's a really good movie.

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I remember I I saw it in the
theater.

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And then after it came out on
video plug for the Akron Public

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Library.
I talk about the library a lot

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on here at the main library
campus.

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Brad, they have this big like
500 seat auditorium that they

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show free movies on when they
come out.

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And it's like.
Nice.

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It's like going to the movies
for free.

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It's pretty great.
And so I took my dad to go see

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Dunkirk.
He hadn't seen it yet, and it

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was like a great time at the
movies, watching Dunkirk for

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free in a library Grade A.
Dad, hangout time you know is.

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That like, was that like a
hangout where you and your dad

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were like repairing your
relationship and and all those

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lost years and stuff?
You were just the worst man.

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I hope he never listens to this
show.

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He's he's going to think that.
That's what I think of him.

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You always do this.
The worst thing is, I've never

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even met your dad.
I.

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Know you're out here just
shooting on him all the time,

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man.
No, I'm I'm not shooting on him.

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I'm shooting on your guys's
relation.

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No, thank you.
Thank you for clarifying that.

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I appreciate.
That no problem.

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All right man, let's dive into
talking about the movie proper

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and and out of some weird
familial history you're

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concocting for me.
And let's get to our first

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segment of the day, which we
call Brad Explains.

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Brad's gonna give us the movie
plots with only 60 seconds

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ticking on the clock, so let's
go ahead and do your take with

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this little segment that we call
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast.

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Asked where Brad breaks down the
plot of the movie, which he has

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just seen often for the first
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This was not Brad's first time
seeing Dunkirk.

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I know that for a fact.
Yes, it was.

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What?
Really.

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I thought you just told me, like
last week, that you'd seen this

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already.
No, I've never seen Dunkirk.

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Wow, I did not know it for a
fact.

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I just like keeping you on your
toes, Bob.

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Wow, I man, I just lied very
boldly, I guess in the middle of

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this show.
So this was your first time

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seeing Dunkirk on a tiny screen?
In my basement.

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As Nolan did not intend.
Yes, yes, 100%.

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The TV that I have, Bob, I just
everybody needs to know that I'm

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like a spender on certain things
and yet a miser on others.

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I bought like a 46 inch
television in 2013 and baby it

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is still going strong.
Now I know why you always score

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the movies lower than me.
Why did this movie look so bad?

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Well Brad, it's because you're
watching it on a decades old

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television.
Oh man, hey, it's a flat screen

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at the very least.
There you go, man, moving up in

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the world.
All right, so this is your first

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time having seen Dunkirk.
You have 60 seconds on the clock

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to break down the plot.
I don't know that you need 60

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seconds, unless you really want
to get into the weird chronology

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of the movie.
But hey, do with this minute as

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you will and go.
The film Dunkirk is about the

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Dunkirk evacuation early in
World War 2.

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When hundreds of thousands of
Allied soldiers, French,

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British, Belgian, are stuck on
the shores of Dunkirk, France,

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and the story follows the army
on the shore and their attempts

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to escape, It follows the Air
Force as they battled to keep

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the troops safe as they
evacuated, and it follows the.

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Civilian Navy that is called in
the service to go to Dunkirk and

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bring back as many soldiers
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Boom.
Question mark.

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There's a lot of, there's a lot
of booms, actually, truly,

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truly, Do you do you want me to
just end boom, boom, boom, boom,

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boom, boom, boom.
I don't know where to start with

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this movie, Brad.
I have a lot of thoughts, but

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they're all very kind of
disparate thoughts.

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Like as I watch it, I was like,
oh, I want to comment on that

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thing.
I want to comment on that thing.

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But there's not a lot of, I
don't know, like connecting

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tissue for me in terms of
forming an opinion about this

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movie.
It's just kind of like.

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I don't know.
I have a lot of disconnected

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thoughts.
Help guide me through this

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journey, Brad.
Please open us up with a 2

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minutes monologue talking about
the upper half of Tom Hardy's

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face.
Honestly, let's do it man.

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Let's talk Tom Hardy.
Tom Hardy's in this movie.

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He is the most famous person in
this movie except maybe Kenneth

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Brunag cause this Harry Styles.
Well yeah yeah I was going to

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say this was this was I guess
this was peak One Direction or

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like right after.
This might have been like the

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first Harry Styles album.
So yeah, pretty famous.

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I'll give you that.
Tom Hardy is able to do so much

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with his body language in this
movie, especially towards the

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end.
So he plays a pilot who is

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basically the hero of Dunkirk,
just getting in dog fights left

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and right on the English
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Swooping in down like 7
different different enemy

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fighters and a bomber like I I
think 5 is an ace so he he gets.

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A good day, yeah.
He really get a great day.

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Swoop if you will.
Towards the end of the movie

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where he has lost fuel and he
knows he's going down and he

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just decides to kind of glide
over the beach, you see hit the

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realization kick in.
And you see him get very

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resolute about it and kind of up
like, you know, clinch up a bit

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and then you see him relax and
it is all done in one shot.

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And it is like he does so much
acting with the top half of a

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face covered in goggles and his
mouth covered by a, you know, a

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mask.
And you just watch the guy's

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shoulders relax and you're like,
I get what's going on inside

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this person's head.
It really is truly a thing of

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beauty as a physical
performance.

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Yeah, I I think Tom was my
favorite actor in the film.

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I think that he's far and away
the best actor in the film, and

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he does so much with his eyes
and he does so much with his

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vocal intonation.
Like, I I don't think we really

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talk a ton about actors.
Ability to control their their

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vocal chords and ability to
control how they present

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themselves in that way.
Yeah, I mean when you freeze it

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like that though, it it kind of
seems like a baseline

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expectation that they that
people can control their vocal

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chords, You know, like if
someone doesn't control their

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vocal chords, I feel like that's
worthy of talking about.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying
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Like it it's.
It's it just seems like

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something that we overlook that
there's a lot of actors who, you

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know just sound okay and then
there's other actors who really

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know how to use their voices for
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And I I think Tom Hardy is one
of those people and you can't

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have somebody in the cockpit of
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and get away with an average
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Brad, I think maybe the way to
structure the rest of this front

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half of the episode is to follow
Nolan's structure with this

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movie.
So as you said, there are three

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separate story strands going on
at the same time and eventually

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they all converge at one
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And the longest of those strands
is what Nolan calls the mole,

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which is the name of, you know,
it's it's not the mole as in

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there is a.
Mission Impossible.

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Yeah, like an enemy among us.
They're talking about the people

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on the beach, on land.
And that story takes place over

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the course of one week.
It is intercut with a story on

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the sea, which is all these
civilians coming across the

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channel to rescue the people at
Dunkirk, which takes place over

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the course of one day and then
the air battles which are taking

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place over the course of one
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And they're intercut equally
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You don't quite realize you're
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you did a good job of reading in
the first few minutes, but I

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think for a lot of people.
They didn't really piece it

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together until the end of the
movie, which I've always found

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really interesting because
Nolan.

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It's the first time Nolan gives
you the answer to the key, like

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right in the first few minutes,
and I actually really appreciate

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that he wasn't trying to be cute
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Having the different storylines
really does build tension and

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momentum and intercutting them
in a, you know, a a non

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chronological way, it didn't
detract from the movie this time

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around for me.
No, not at all.

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I honestly, I think it might be
one of his cleverest uses of of

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time warping.
Yet they're like, he's just so

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open about it.
He's like, hey, here's the Army.

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Their story takes place over a
week.

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Here's the Navy, their story
takes place over a day.

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Here's the Air Force.
Their story takes place over an

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hour.
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That's it.
Like, it's not hard to

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understand, I guess I'm just
going to go out on a limb and

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say.
People are stupid if they didn't

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understand that.
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like, if you want to make this
story cinematic, you kind of

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have to do something like that.
It is an incredibly heroic and

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harrowing tale to read in a
book, right?

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But when you're talking about
watching something on film, you

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would just be if you put this
movie in chronological order, it

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would suck because it would just
be guys sitting around for six

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days.
And then the last one, seventh

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of the movie would be full of
action, right?

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So you have to do something to
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And anyway, I said all that to
to get us back to talking about

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the mole sequence or or strand
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Let's talk about these young
soldiers and also Kenneth

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Branagh that we see on the beach
starting with I guess the

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person.
Sir Kenneth Branagh to you, Bob.

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That's true.
You're you're just a peasant

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talking about Kenneth like
you're on an equal.

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Turn.
I mean, I like Kenneth.

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Brad.
I think he's really good in this

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movie.
I'm such a big fan.

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I want to talk about the
ostensible star of the movie,

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though.
Theon, Whitehead and I can't.

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I've heard it pronounced both
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I'm going to go with Finn
because I'm an American and I

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butcher people's languages, so
I'm just going to go ahead and.

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Do the butchering that feels
most comfortable to me, we'll

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say Finn Whitehead.
Some sort of like cultural

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appropriation to try and
pronounce it the way that they I

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don't know.
Pronounce it?

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I don't know, man.
It's Finn.

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Finn Whitehead.
OK, Finn.

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Here's the thing about Finn
Whitehead.

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He's only been in a few movies
post Dunkirk.

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He was a pretty unknown actor
before this.

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And you know, he's a young man,
but he's a grown man.

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So I can say it.
He's not a good actor, Brad.

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He's he's very, very wooden.
I don't believe most of what he

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does in this movie, even when
he's like being pulled from

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burning wreckage of a ship and
laying on, you know, the deck of

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a boat covered in oil and
panting.

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And then he has this line where
he just says Take Me Home and

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it's supposed to be like this
big release at the end of the

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film.
I don't buy it for a second,

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dude.
I just don't think he's very

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good actor.
You are incredibly rude, Bob,

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but you are not wrong.
Not wrong at all, man.

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Yeah, he is like OKI think that
there's moments throughout the

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film where he works.
I think the, I think the part

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when he is like fighting for his
French friend that he didn't

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know is French.
I think he shows a little bit of

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passion, a little bit of
chutzpah and I'm like, OK, I'm,

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I'm down with him here.
But at the end of the day, when

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he's trying to deliver that
line, as you said of like I'm

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coming home or whatever the heck
he says, you know he's not that

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good.
Well, and then they put like the

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emotional weight of the movie on
him, Obviously throughout the

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film, but especially at the end,
after they've been rescued,

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after they've been taken back to
England and they're on the

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train.
And Harry Styles is inconsolable

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about thinking that they have
failed.

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And then he reads the transcript
of what Churchill has just

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proclaimed to Parliament and he
reads it in the most monotone,

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mumbly Guy Pierce in Memento
Voice.

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And and the editing there is
incredible.

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Like that montage is pitch
perfect, that cinematography

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gorgeous.
The Hans Zimmer score is the

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best.
It's been the whole movie in

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that one little moment.
And I still can't quite connect

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with it the way Nolan wants me
to connect.

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It's one of the few times that I
think Nolan is honestly,

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earnestly going for, like,
sentiment.

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Like Spielbergy kind of
sentiment at the.

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End of genuine feel good ending.
And it doesn't quite land for

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me.
It's almost there, like almost

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all the components work, but
then there's one component that

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all the others are trying to
make up for.

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Is that components named Finn?
It is.

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It is.
No, I'm I'm with you, man.

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It's a it's a slightly
disappointing ending to an

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otherwise incredible movie.
And and you're right, like that

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moment is super important.
And you know unfortunately they

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cast who they cast.
But I I just wish that he had a

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little bit of passion behind him
like a little bit of something

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at like.
To to go from thinking that you

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were completely defeated and
broken and the worst military

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defeat in history into like this
inspiring speech, like I I wish

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that his voice moved with that
story, but it just doesn't at

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all.
So yeah, I'm I'm 100% with you

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there, man.
I've got a question for you

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about the whole mole thread, and
it kind of goes against

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everything we we know to be
true, which is that short movies

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are great.
I almost wish this movie was

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about 10 minutes longer, Brad,
And I wish they.

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I wish they'd put all ten of
those minutes into fleshing out

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the mole thread a little bit
more, even though it is by far

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the bulkiest part of the movie.
There were, there were moments,

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you know, in doing the research
for this movie, they heard a

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story about guys just walking
into the sea because they were

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so hopeless that they would ever
get rescued.

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And there's a great moment in
this movie where that happens,

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and it is very harrowing.
And I felt like those were the

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only moments where this felt
like a lived in world and not

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simply a collection of action
scenes that had been strung

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together in a really suspenseful
way.

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And I wanted to feel more
empathy, more sympathy with

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those soldiers on the beach, but
the way that the movie is edited

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together.
I didn't even get the sense that

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they were there for a week, even
though it told me it was a week.

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You only see it be nighttime,
like one time, you know what I

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mean?
And so it it seems like, OK,

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maybe they were there three
days, but what happened to the

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other four days?
Like, I want to see more of the

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paranoia of them getting bombed
all the time and the the

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emotional toll it's taking on
those men on the beach.

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I just wish there was a little
bit more to that thread.

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Yeah, no, I I'm actually with
you there, I think that.

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You need something like I was
the the obvious movie comparison

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for me in this is 1917.
And I think that there's that

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scene in 1917 where you know,
the main character you're

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following throughout the whole
movie finds kind of refuge for a

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moment with a, I don't know, war
refugee who's like still living

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in their house under the city.
Do you remember that?

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Like they needed a few moments
like that where everything's

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quiet and the troops are just
sitting around a fire.

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And honestly, like this movie's
already super quiet.

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I don't even know if they needed
to say anything.

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Like if you have the right
actors and the right, like, you

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know, you hear the snap of a
twig and everybody kind of

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freaks out and it's twitchy and
paranoid, like.

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Man, you you set the stage for
for what's going on, you know,

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while you're intercutting back
and forth with the other stuff.

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But I I'm with you.
I think you could have spent

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just a little more time
establishing how long it felt,

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You know, how long those six
days felt.

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Yeah, and I don't even need a
scene where they all, like, sit

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around and say like, oh, back
home, my gal Abigail.

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Like, no, I don't care about
that.

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Like.
Can you spell the strawberries,

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Mr. Frodo?
Like all I need is a couple more

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scenes that establish, you know,
the character of Killian Murphy

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in this movie.
He's got the shell shocked thing

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going on and you find out very
quickly why he why he came to be

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that way.
I want to see more of that from

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the guys on the beach.
I want to see what the emotional

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toll is being taken upon them
because of this repetitive

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hellscape that they're in that
they can't escape from.

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So anyway, yeah, that's my
thoughts on the Mole.

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Why don't we talk about the sea
sequences?

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Yeah, featuring Academy Award
winner Mark Rylance showing up.

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I think this might have been his
first movie after he wins his

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Oscar and.
What did he win an Oscar for?

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Bridge of Spies.
The Steven Spielberg movie?

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Oh dude, good movie.
You need to watch that.

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Movie not not seen.
Bridge of Spies.

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That's another dad movie.
Like it's a Cold War movie

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starring Tom Hanks.
Directed by Spielberg.

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Great Dad movie.
OK.

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Anyway, he shows up and he's
carrying around Barry Keogan,

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who would go on to be one of our
brightest shining young actors.

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I'm a huge fan of him and this
is a really early role for him.

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What did you think of all the
people in the sea sequences,

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Brad?
I really like them.

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Yeah.
I think that they are the

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strongest part of the movie.
I think that, like, Tom Hardy's

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incredible.
And the the dog fighting

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sequences are great, but there's
not, you know, a ton of

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character development there.
I think that you really have Tom

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Glenn Carney and Barry Keegan
and Mark Rylands in roles where

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they are the ones you get to
connect with because they have

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weirdly like you feel the most.
At stake for them, like they

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didn't have to get on the boat
and go try and save them.

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Like the the Navy would have
sent some men on their boat and

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yet like that, that willingness
to die for country is important.

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And when you hear the the tiny
little bit of, you know, oh, his

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older son died in the Air Force
in the early weeks of the war,

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like it's just little moments
like that where you understand.

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You know, Rylances, motivations
as a character and his stoicism

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and his willingness to to sail
off into the face of danger.

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I'm going to make light of their
story thread for a little bit,

448
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:12,370
but I will say this upfront like
theirs is the best acted of the

449
00:25:12,370 --> 00:25:15,050
three strands I would say.
I don't know that it's the

450
00:25:15,050 --> 00:25:17,450
strongest of the three though,
and I think that's just because

451
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:21,530
the stakes feel lower.
For part like, at least part of

452
00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:23,730
their journey.
Not that like their personal

453
00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:26,090
stakes are very high, like you
said, because they're going into

454
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,650
battle and didn't need to go
there.

455
00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:32,610
But when you're cutting between
images of like soldiers getting

456
00:25:32,610 --> 00:25:36,570
dive bombed on the beach and
destroyers getting blown up and

457
00:25:36,570 --> 00:25:39,810
men burning alive and they cut
back to like Barry Keogan, just

458
00:25:39,810 --> 00:25:41,610
like laying laying down on the
floor.

459
00:25:42,010 --> 00:25:44,650
And they're like, should I give
him a cup of tea?

460
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:46,940
What should I do?
And then, like, they put the

461
00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:53,020
same ticking clock score behind
all that that they do behind,

462
00:25:53,020 --> 00:25:55,940
like Tom Hardy shooting planes
out of the sky.

463
00:25:56,340 --> 00:26:01,260
It's like, okay this this feels
less vital than Tom Hardy

464
00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:06,180
shooting down bombers.
All right, I so I SNL you can

465
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:08,900
hire me whenever you want.
This would have been This would

466
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,820
have just killed in like 20
early 2018.

467
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:17,570
They need to do an SNL sketch.
Where they intercut the actual

468
00:26:17,570 --> 00:26:22,130
scenes from the movie of the the
army and the the Royal Air Force

469
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:24,970
and all that.
And then they'll have Killian

470
00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:28,330
Murphy come guest host.
So he'll be there and they'll

471
00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:32,010
intercut it with them on the
boats, Killian Murphy and then

472
00:26:32,010 --> 00:26:35,370
cast members of SNL pretending
to be Barry Keegan and all them.

473
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,560
And they're all trading stories
about how they got that scar on

474
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,640
the boat on the way to rescue
everyone.

475
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,760
Now what I think they should do
is like instead of Barry Keogan

476
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,640
getting like a, you know, life
ending knock on the head, they

477
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,760
keep cutting back to what's
happening on the boat and

478
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,560
they're all just having, like,
minor inconveniences happen.

479
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,840
Yeah, I nicked my finger
cutting, cutting this lemon

480
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,280
wedge for my tea, that.
Would chip in my hand.

481
00:27:04,550 --> 00:27:08,030
Yeah, so like, and I think that
that story thread suffers the

482
00:27:08,030 --> 00:27:11,030
most in terms of the way the
chronology is laid out because

483
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:14,590
like we said, with the Mole,
it's seven days, but the action

484
00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:18,950
only happens in the last day.
But because Nolan inserts

485
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:21,070
different things for them to do
throughout the week, like

486
00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:24,350
sneaking onto an abandoned ship,
he gets, he introduces action

487
00:27:24,350 --> 00:27:26,630
into that.
Whereas the sea.

488
00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:30,230
There's only so much you can do
showing them Bob across the

489
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:33,310
English Channel.
And so like all the action in

490
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:38,150
that story thread happens in the
movie's last 30 minutes, and it

491
00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:41,070
gets really tense and really
exciting and very heroic.

492
00:27:41,470 --> 00:27:46,070
But all of the memorable stuff
from that story thread is really

493
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:50,990
backloaded, and I feel like the
front part of it does kind of

494
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:54,420
drag for me a bit.
Yeah, I mean, I'll push back a

495
00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:56,820
little there.
I think that the fact that they

496
00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,060
basically have them shove off
from England and then

497
00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:04,380
immediately find Killian Murphy
is like meaningful, right?

498
00:28:04,380 --> 00:28:08,420
Like I think that Nolan is
trying to accomplish what you

499
00:28:08,420 --> 00:28:12,620
asked for earlier and that, you
know, his shell shock is

500
00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:16,140
supposed to show you the horrors
of the six days leading up to

501
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:18,380
their rescue.
And so I think there is some

502
00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:22,060
action happening there.
I I do think that it's.

503
00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:27,470
You know, it feels a little
contrived when he's like trying

504
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:30,750
to fight them for control of the
ship and and he falls and knocks

505
00:28:30,750 --> 00:28:35,590
his head and it that definitely
is one of the weaker parts of

506
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:37,750
the script.
But I think that Killian Murphy

507
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:43,710
is an incredible actor and sells
the whole shell shock incredibly

508
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:44,830
well.
For sure.

509
00:28:45,150 --> 00:28:48,470
I also like when they pick up
the other pilot that crashes.

510
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:53,290
Jack Loudon is the actor's name.
Excellent, excellent actor.

511
00:28:53,970 --> 00:28:56,570
He reminded me a ton.
Maybe it was just the the outfit

512
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:59,850
he was wearing too, but it
reminded me a ton of Richard

513
00:28:59,890 --> 00:29:01,370
Attenborough in The Great
Escape.

514
00:29:01,650 --> 00:29:05,770
Like he just he had so much of
that energy going for him.

515
00:29:06,450 --> 00:29:08,730
One of my favorite performances
in the whole movie, I think.

516
00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:12,930
I thought he had a lot of Peter
O'Toole look about him, like

517
00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:15,890
with the blonde hair and the
Super blue eyes and like.

518
00:29:16,250 --> 00:29:19,330
He just had a bright earnestness
about him that reminded me of

519
00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:22,330
Lawrence of Arabia.
Well, there you go, 2 glowing

520
00:29:22,330 --> 00:29:26,330
recommendations from us.
Yeah, dude, let's talk about the

521
00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:27,930
last story thread.
The error.

522
00:29:27,930 --> 00:29:30,050
I mean, we kind of already have,
because it really only consists

523
00:29:30,050 --> 00:29:32,450
of two characters.
It's Tom Hardy and Jack Loudon.

524
00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:38,890
I do think that that is where
the movie felt like the most,

525
00:29:38,890 --> 00:29:42,170
purely.
I don't know cinematic to me

526
00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:43,570
like the.
Spectacle.

527
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:46,730
Like not even just spectacle,
but like wow, how did they pull

528
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:48,810
off that shot?
How much of this is done in

529
00:29:48,810 --> 00:29:50,690
camera?
How much of this is practical?

530
00:29:51,010 --> 00:29:54,490
You get those shots from like
down on the beach every time a a

531
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:57,050
a German plane is going to come
dive bomb them.

532
00:29:57,450 --> 00:30:00,010
And what the cinematographer
does in a lot of instances is

533
00:30:00,010 --> 00:30:03,970
he'll have like an Outoffocus
head looking up at the sky and

534
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:06,450
it like the the camera will be
behind this person.

535
00:30:07,060 --> 00:30:09,700
And then, like, way off in the
distance, you see this tiny

536
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:13,820
little speck, and it's in, like,
pitch perfect focus, like the

537
00:30:13,820 --> 00:30:17,460
way they choreograph the air
sequences.

538
00:30:18,140 --> 00:30:21,020
It almost breaks every rule of
how you're supposed to do it.

539
00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:22,500
Like, I don't know if you
remember in the movie The

540
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:26,580
Aviator, they talk about why
isn't this turning out?

541
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,460
And he's like, there's no clouds
in the sky, there's no frame of

542
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:30,980
reference to show how fast
they're going.

543
00:30:31,550 --> 00:30:34,710
In this movie, it feels like
they're just they're flying

544
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:40,510
against a a wall of Gray clouds
and almost black looking sea

545
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:42,670
underneath them.
And so you don't get a great

546
00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:46,550
sense of the speed of the dog
fights, but the way that they

547
00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:50,430
weave these planes in and out of
the shots, I almost don't care.

548
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:55,350
It has like a very, I don't know
like poetic kind of rhythm to

549
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:56,990
it.
It's it was so interesting to

550
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:59,000
me.
Yeah, that's that's the word I

551
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,360
was going to use.
It's just a beautiful rhythm.

552
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,840
And I think that there's a
reason like the Top Gun movies

553
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,000
have done so well back in the
80s and you know, now in the

554
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,840
twenty 20s, there's just
something totally rad about dog

555
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,400
fighting in the air.
And I like, I could get a movie

556
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,520
completely silent, you know?
Well, no, no dialogue of just.

557
00:31:25,030 --> 00:31:27,750
Planes, dog fighting.
And I think I would just be

558
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:30,350
mesmerized by it.
Like as long as it's done well.

559
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:34,750
And as you said, Bob, they do it
incredibly well here in Dunkirk.

560
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:37,230
All right, man.
Any other thoughts on the

561
00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:40,550
performances before we go into
our whiskey for the day?

562
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:43,830
Dude, I love Kenneth Branagh.
He's so good.

563
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:49,150
Dude, he milks when he puts his
his eyes up to those binoculars.

564
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:52,990
And when, when you first see the
Armada coming over the Crest

565
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:56,890
there, right?
He milks it so much, you see the

566
00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:59,290
realization set in.
And then from behind his hands,

567
00:31:59,290 --> 00:32:02,530
you see the smile start to creep
in.

568
00:32:02,530 --> 00:32:05,890
And then he kind of gasps for
his words, but he waits until he

569
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:10,050
takes those GD binoculars down.
And then he takes one more

570
00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:14,930
breath and he goes home.
And I'm like, yeah, home.

571
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:18,290
We're we're all British in this
moment, you know?

572
00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:25,390
You get the sense that he didn't
actually believe what he was

573
00:32:25,390 --> 00:32:28,510
telling everyone else until that
moment.

574
00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:31,070
It's such a hammy performance
and it works.

575
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:34,190
So freaking well, It's perfect.
Yeah, Like.

576
00:32:34,590 --> 00:32:39,030
And and the reason it's perfect
is because it's a real story and

577
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:42,390
there's just so many military
stories like that that are just

578
00:32:42,390 --> 00:32:44,550
ridiculous.
Like the Germans should have

579
00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:47,150
smashed them, completely
destroyed them.

580
00:32:47,150 --> 00:32:49,350
There should have been no chance
of them escaping.

581
00:32:49,740 --> 00:32:51,740
And yet somehow, they made it
back.

582
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:54,900
We'll talk about all this in the
second-half, because I have many

583
00:32:54,900 --> 00:33:00,180
thoughts both on German military
strategy and on the way Nolan

584
00:33:00,180 --> 00:33:02,700
depicts it.
But I'm with you, dude.

585
00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:07,540
Yeah, let's get into this Chivis
Regal, Mitsunura Cask.

586
00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:16,840
Let's do it, man.
All right, everybody.

587
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,680
Today we are looking at Shivas
Regal MSU Nara Cask finish.

588
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,680
We haven't had a Shivas Regal
product on this show, Brad,

589
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,640
since either season one or
season 2.

590
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,880
It's been a long time since we
tried that affordable, popular

591
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,800
blended Scotch whiskey.
I'm really excited to dive back

592
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,440
into it with this kind of
special edition they have here.

593
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,120
This is one that I picked up in
the Ohio Liquor Bureau's Last

594
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,520
call section.
They were getting rid of this.

595
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:47,750
And I was like, hey, this is I
think I spent like $40.00 on it

596
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:50,910
and I was like, yeah, I'm going
to try it and it's because it

597
00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:54,310
said Mizunarra on it.
We've never done anything with

598
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:57,110
Mizunarra Oak before.
So Brad, if you don't mind I'm

599
00:33:57,110 --> 00:34:01,950
going to launch into a small
little the more, you know with

600
00:34:01,950 --> 00:34:04,790
Bob here I'm reading off of.
Bob, you go right ahead.

601
00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:07,350
I'm reading off of
wineenthusiast.com.

602
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:10,350
They have a nice little article
about Mizunarra because I to be

603
00:34:10,350 --> 00:34:12,270
fair, Brad.
I don't know a thing about

604
00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:15,710
Mizunarra Oak other than there
were a lot of whiskeys about two

605
00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:18,750
years ago that used it.
It got really popular for a

606
00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:22,510
minute and now it's like the
market got got saturated and

607
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:24,389
they've moved on to other kinds
of oak now.

608
00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:27,670
So we're coming in at the tail
end of the craze here.

609
00:34:28,590 --> 00:34:32,790
Mizunar Oak is a specific kind
of oak that is grown in Japan.

610
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:38,030
Apparently the name actually
means water oak in Japanese.

611
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,600
Because something about about
the moisture content of the

612
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,400
trees themselves make them more
prone to holding water and then

613
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,840
leaking.
But when they are aged properly

614
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,760
they are like exceptional casks
to use for wine for spirits

615
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,960
aging.
They say that now like a single

616
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,080
cask might cost a producer $6000
to buy.

617
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,600
And it says when left to mature
correctly, a missing Nara aged

618
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:07,420
whiskey offers complex notes.
Of sandalwood, coconut spice and

619
00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:12,340
Japanese incense, which makes me
really, really excited to see

620
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:16,540
what a Scotch finished in that
will smell and taste like bread.

621
00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:19,780
Yeah, I am very excited for
this.

622
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:23,860
This is like maybe a first for a
few seasons now, Bob.

623
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,020
I am actually drinking this live
and I believe you've already

624
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:30,620
done your tasting.
Wow, we have really reverse

625
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:32,740
roles tonight, man.
Yeah, I did mine a couple days

626
00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:35,500
ago.
I took very brief notes because

627
00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:39,140
I want to see what you think
about it and I don't want to tip

628
00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:41,580
my hand too much.
Just a few more notes on this.

629
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:45,260
It's aged for at least 12 years.
It is a blend of Scottish green

630
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:48,780
and malt whiskeys.
Let's freaking dive in, man.

631
00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:49,980
What are you picking up on the
nose?

632
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:53,700
Yeah, this is a really nice nose
for me.

633
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:57,420
It's a little bit nutty.
There's some like almond going

634
00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:00,800
on.
It is very light and floral

635
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,000
there.
There's some fruitiness.

636
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:10,840
I don't know if I want to say
citrus maybe maybe like a maybe

637
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,920
like a Peach kind of feel to it.
I really like this nose a lot.

638
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,360
I'm going to give it an 8 out of
10.

639
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,080
The note that I took to start
with on the nose was pear, pear,

640
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,760
Pear.
I have never had this much like

641
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,000
green.
What is that, a Bartlett?

642
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,480
I don't know what kind of what
my pears are.

643
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:31,530
It it smelled like the juicy
pear Jelly belly.

644
00:36:31,610 --> 00:36:36,410
It is like the most decadently
pear forward thing, and I love

645
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:39,250
pears, so I was like super
pumped about this.

646
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:43,010
I got some melon on it and then
after you let it sit in the

647
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:46,170
glass for a couple minutes, that
fruitiness kind of dissipates a

648
00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:50,130
bit and you're left with, like
layers and layers of brown sugar

649
00:36:50,130 --> 00:36:52,570
and caramel.
It takes on like an almost

650
00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:55,050
bourbony decadence to it at the
end.

651
00:36:55,630 --> 00:36:58,670
I loved this note.
As I said, beautiful in my

652
00:36:58,670 --> 00:36:59,990
notes.
I'm going to give it a nine out

653
00:36:59,990 --> 00:37:02,510
of 10.
Yeah, and then I got into the

654
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:03,350
pallet.
Here.

655
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:07,630
The pallet is just feels really
rich.

656
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:12,950
There is a lot of honey.
That nuttiness stays in there

657
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:16,510
for me, but the longer I sit
with it, the more the floral

658
00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:20,910
notes come through.
And the more that I I would

659
00:37:20,910 --> 00:37:24,710
agree with you that kind of the
pear for me it it it still feels

660
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:28,710
a little juicier than that it
feels peachy but it it's got

661
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:31,270
that nice stone fruit feel to
it.

662
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:34,910
I am I'm a big fan of this Bob.
I'll give it an 8 1/2 on the on

663
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:37,070
the pallet.
Yeah, for me it was like a

664
00:37:37,070 --> 00:37:39,470
bottle of really sweet white
wine.

665
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:42,790
Was the kind of fruitiness I was
getting on it really, really

666
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:44,590
good.
And then almost.

667
00:37:44,970 --> 00:37:48,410
Almost a grainy barley for me.
There was a lot of barley malts

668
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:51,770
on this, a little bit of char
towards the back of the palate

669
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:54,170
and then it finished off.
This is not really a finished

670
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:57,930
note, but like the last thing I
get when I go to swallow it gets

671
00:37:57,930 --> 00:38:00,850
really creamy and it reminds me
almost of like vanilla soft

672
00:38:00,850 --> 00:38:02,730
serve.
It's Brad.

673
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:06,250
This is a flavor experience we
don't typically get on Scotch

674
00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:08,450
and especially on like a blended
Scotch.

675
00:38:08,970 --> 00:38:11,930
The barrel here I think is
really imparting a lot and I

676
00:38:11,930 --> 00:38:13,810
didn't pick up coconut on the
palate.

677
00:38:14,190 --> 00:38:16,830
But I could see why a lot of
people tip towards that because

678
00:38:16,830 --> 00:38:19,550
that creaminess for me came
across as like vanilla ice

679
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:21,150
cream.
But I could see it being like a

680
00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:23,830
cream of coconut For somebody.
I'm going to give it an 8 on the

681
00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:26,870
palate and then on the finish
I'm also going to give it an 8.

682
00:38:27,110 --> 00:38:31,310
It gets just a bit bitter, but
it's still really, really nice.

683
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:34,350
The prickliness of the alcohol
doesn't really make itself known

684
00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:38,510
until the finish, but once
again, like way above average.

685
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:41,950
So 8 on the finish for me.
I actually think that this, the

686
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:43,710
finish is kind of where this
excels.

687
00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:48,170
I love that note of like vanilla
soft serve because that was

688
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:51,890
coming through for me strong on
the finish and I think that

689
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:56,530
there's an oakiness here.
But it's it's unique, it's

690
00:38:56,530 --> 00:39:00,010
different.
It's not the same wood note that

691
00:39:00,010 --> 00:39:05,850
you get on any other whiskey.
Bob, this is truly a a delicious

692
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:07,850
whiskey.
I'll give it a nine out of 10 on

693
00:39:07,850 --> 00:39:10,770
the finish and as far as bounce
goes like.

694
00:39:11,110 --> 00:39:14,670
I can't imagine them doing many
things better on this whiskey,

695
00:39:14,670 --> 00:39:17,390
like all of the flavors work
together.

696
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:24,230
It's a beautiful, sweet, floral
whiskey that hits all the right

697
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:28,510
notes for a blended Scotch.
I I really like this lot.

698
00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:30,630
I'm going to stick it a nine out
of 10 on the balance.

699
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:32,110
I'll also give it a nine on
balance.

700
00:39:32,110 --> 00:39:35,710
There is just a slight drop off
from the nose to the finish for

701
00:39:35,710 --> 00:39:38,710
me, but that's just because the
nose was one of the best.

702
00:39:39,070 --> 00:39:43,670
Scotch noses I've ever smelled,
so it's a nine for me.

703
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:45,910
Value is going to be
interesting, Brad.

704
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:48,150
So like I said, I paid about
$40.00 for this.

705
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:52,070
I'm assuming that it's getting
harder to find out there like

706
00:39:52,070 --> 00:39:54,270
this was a limited edition
release.

707
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:57,270
I saw a couple search results
come up that it's selling for

708
00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:00,590
like $200.00 now, but then I saw
other stores that have it in

709
00:40:00,590 --> 00:40:02,790
stock and they're selling it for
like $50 now.

710
00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:04,910
I don't know man, what are you
seeing on your end?

711
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:09,730
I've been seeing in general
anywhere from like 45 to $60.00,

712
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:13,050
so I don't know.
Let's set it at like a $55 price

713
00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:14,450
point.
Yeah, I was going to say even 60

714
00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:16,570
because if you're buying it
online, like you're going to pay

715
00:40:16,570 --> 00:40:18,650
shipping.
So even if you get the $45.00,

716
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:21,090
you're probably true.
Let's call it a $60.00 bottle of

717
00:40:21,090 --> 00:40:23,010
Scotch.
Listen, I know it's a blended

718
00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:26,050
Scotch.
It is better than a multitude of

719
00:40:26,050 --> 00:40:29,610
single malts that we have had.
At $60.00.

720
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:31,970
This is kind of a nobrainer for
me, man.

721
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:34,570
I'm going to give this a nine
out of 10 on value.

722
00:40:35,170 --> 00:40:39,730
Yeah, I'm with you.
I'm at an 8.5 on value, Bob.

723
00:40:39,730 --> 00:40:43,650
I'm coming out to a 43 out of 50
here.

724
00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:47,130
Brad, I am coming out to a 43
out of 50 here.

725
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:52,090
I love it when we are in unison
on something and when, to be

726
00:40:52,090 --> 00:40:56,330
fair with you, man, like I I
bought this like a year ago and

727
00:40:56,330 --> 00:40:58,730
I've been kind of waiting to
work it in.

728
00:40:58,850 --> 00:41:01,130
It wasn't like chomping at the
bit to try it.

729
00:41:01,130 --> 00:41:05,080
I thought maybe it'll be okay.
I am very pleasantly surprised.

730
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,240
This is one of the best whiskeys
we've had all season.

731
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,440
It has achieved that 40 and
above mark where it kind of

732
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,240
becomes a nobrainer.
If you see it on the shelf, pick

733
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,320
it up.
If you see it at the bar, it is

734
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,000
absolutely worth a poor.
I can't recommend this highly

735
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,440
enough, man.
Yeah, this is a delicious

736
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,800
whiskey that if you're still
able to find it by the bottle

737
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,680
immediately.
All right, man.

738
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,360
Well, I'm feeling very good
right now.

739
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,400
Let's get back into talking
about Dunkirk.

740
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:37,050
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody.

741
00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:41,690
That was Shivas Regal Misanura.
That I can't say that word.

742
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:44,210
Misanarra.
Misanarra.

743
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:46,930
Mozzarella marinara.
You're.

744
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:51,930
Fucking me up now, Italian oak
cask.

745
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:57,330
I did marinara sauce.
It previously held marinara

746
00:41:57,330 --> 00:41:59,610
sauce.
Now it has whiskey in it.

747
00:42:01,350 --> 00:42:09,190
Tastes like a tomato.
All right, you got to bring us

748
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:10,510
back then all.
Right, everybody.

749
00:42:10,510 --> 00:42:12,870
That's what Shivas Regal
Mizunarra Cask.

750
00:42:13,390 --> 00:42:17,830
A whiskey that is beyond
description as well as a name

751
00:42:17,830 --> 00:42:21,390
that is beyond pronunciation.
So we're getting back into

752
00:42:21,390 --> 00:42:25,270
talking about Dunkirk, which
also begs a pronunciation

753
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:27,070
question.
Everyone in the movie calls it

754
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:29,590
Dunkirk.
We're going to Dunkirk.

755
00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:33,130
I don't know if that's because
of it comes from the French or

756
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:35,570
what, but I don't know, Brad,
how do you say it?

757
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:38,530
You say Dunkirk, Dunkirk.
I mean, I say it as the French

758
00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:44,490
do Duke.
That's it.

759
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:45,930
That's it.
All right, man.

760
00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:50,370
We're going to, we're going to
go off the rails really quickly

761
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:54,010
if we don't get into our next
segment, which we call 2 facts

762
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:57,610
in a falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stumpy

763
00:42:57,650 --> 00:43:02,020
ball.
You are right and what is wrong?

764
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:06,980
2 facts in a falsehood.
That's right, everybody. 2 facts

765
00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:09,740
in a falsehood.
The segment where Canada cheers.

766
00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:14,580
First of all, we're recording
this like a a week or so in

767
00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:17,940
advance.
I hope that Canada is recovering

768
00:43:17,940 --> 00:43:20,540
from these wildfires.
Like, yeah, I don't know if you

769
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:22,180
can hear the scratchiness in my
voice.

770
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:26,040
I live in northern Ohio.
And the smoke from the wildfires

771
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,960
has been so bad that like, the
air quality in my area is off

772
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,040
the charts.
They say don't go outside.

773
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,400
And if you do wear a mask to go
outside, it's really bad guys.

774
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,520
So first of all, Brad and I are
are praying with and for Canada

775
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:46,520
because it's been rough, man.
Yeah, yeah.

776
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,280
Honestly, I'm kind of glad that
we've been dedicating this

777
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,880
segment to Canada for so long
that it's, it's our sincere

778
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,000
support.
For everything that's going on

779
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,120
up there that like, yeah, I mean
we get that some out West and in

780
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,160
California and but man they have
a lot more trees than us.

781
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,480
Bob, I'm.
Going to feel real bad if I lose

782
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,320
this week now, Brad.
You know, it's like they got to

783
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,080
win one for the Gipper here.
So yeah, I am.

784
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,360
Maybe.
Maybe Canada's on my side

785
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,520
though, Bob.
That's, that's true.

786
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,440
We will see how I do at 2 facts
in a falsehood.

787
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,440
This is where obviously Brad
presents three items to me.

788
00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:26,350
As fact about making this movie
and I have to figure out which

789
00:44:26,350 --> 00:44:30,230
one is the lie, Brad, hit me
with your two facts in a

790
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:33,870
falsehood.
Fact number one According to Sir

791
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:37,670
Kenneth Branagh, roughly 30
Dunkirk survivors, who are in

792
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:40,830
their mid 90s at the time,
attended the premiere in London.

793
00:44:41,150 --> 00:44:43,990
When asked about the movie, they
felt it accurately captured the

794
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:46,710
event, but that the soundtrack
was louder than the actual

795
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:49,350
bombardment.
Fact #2.

796
00:44:49,350 --> 00:44:52,670
Director Christopher Nolan had
long wanted to direct a film

797
00:44:52,670 --> 00:44:55,990
about the Dunkirk evacuation,
ever since he did a class

798
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:58,750
project on it in primary school,
saying that it was one of the

799
00:44:58,750 --> 00:45:02,030
most inspirational stories that
he had ever heard.

800
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:07,110
Fact #3, the scene in which
Farrier Spitfire lands on the

801
00:45:07,110 --> 00:45:10,910
Dunkirk beach was real, done on
location with an actual

802
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:14,230
Spitfire, and it was the first
time a plane had landed on that

803
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:16,390
beach since 1940.
Well, that's.

804
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:18,410
Cool.
Right.

805
00:45:18,490 --> 00:45:23,130
Huh.
So #3 is interesting because

806
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:26,610
when they actually show the
plane landing on the beach, you

807
00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:28,610
don't see the town in the
background.

808
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:32,250
They the background is the ocean
or the channel I guess.

809
00:45:33,210 --> 00:45:37,850
So doing it on location doesn't
really make a ton of sense

810
00:45:37,850 --> 00:45:40,170
because unless you're going to
show Dunkirk in the background

811
00:45:40,210 --> 00:45:42,410
like it could have been, it
could have been Myrtle Beach,

812
00:45:42,410 --> 00:45:43,770
you know what I mean?
Like no one knows the

813
00:45:43,770 --> 00:45:47,290
difference.
So there's there's just like

814
00:45:47,410 --> 00:45:50,770
bikini clad women running around
in the background, It's.

815
00:45:50,770 --> 00:45:55,810
Just a guy in like a Joe's Crab
Shack tshirt, so I'm immediately

816
00:45:55,810 --> 00:45:59,130
suspicious of 3/2.
Sounds pretty plausible.

817
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:01,930
I know that Nolan had been
wanting to make a Dunkirk movie

818
00:46:01,930 --> 00:46:03,930
and developing it since the late
90s.

819
00:46:03,930 --> 00:46:06,450
I assume he heard this story as
a boy growing up in England.

820
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:10,370
One also sounds very plausible,
so I think I'm.

821
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:13,670
I have a pretty equivalent
chance of getting this wrong

822
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:14,910
regardless.
Canada.

823
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:18,710
I'm so sorry.
I'm going to go with three as

824
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:19,750
the falsehood.
Brad.

825
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:24,950
Bob, you are back under 500.
No.

826
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:27,670
Fact number two was the
falsehood.

827
00:46:28,530 --> 00:46:31,690
Man, Christopher Nolan did not
like this story.

828
00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:35,610
As a child, he hated it.
He actively was rooting against

829
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:38,930
the English.
At that point, it was actually a

830
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:42,970
bet between him and his brother
that he lost and his brother was

831
00:46:42,970 --> 00:46:45,130
the one who loved the story.
Oh, interesting.

832
00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:48,170
No, I'm, I'm completely.
Oh, you're making that up too.

833
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:51,800
Man, I believed you.
This is the problem with two

834
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,200
facts and a falsehood.
You've you've got me gas lit at

835
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,400
this point, man.
Oh man.

836
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,120
OK, let's talk about this movie
a little bit.

837
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,160
And we don't usually do the like
we're history buffs.

838
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,600
Let's let's compare this to how
it really happened.

839
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,520
But there are a couple things in
the movie itself that didn't

840
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,000
work for me, Brad.
And I think that you have to

841
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,440
kind of bring the historical
record into it a little bit to

842
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,660
highlight them.
The first of which is that at

843
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:22,660
the end of the movie they say
that 300,000 people get off of

844
00:47:22,660 --> 00:47:28,020
the beach and get rescued.
At no point in this movie does

845
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:31,140
it look like there is anything
remotely approaching 300,000

846
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:33,980
people on that beach.
Like you see the planes going

847
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:36,700
overhead and there's like a
string of 20 people that are

848
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:42,860
like, and I think that Nolan is
really good at.

849
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:48,290
Taking small stories and making
them appear to have huge scope.

850
00:47:48,610 --> 00:47:52,810
Like I think about the scene in
The Dark Night where you get

851
00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:56,650
that, the showdown of the Joker
and Batman on that abandoned

852
00:47:56,730 --> 00:48:00,810
like Chicago St. when he flips
the semi truck and stuff.

853
00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:04,250
Like literally that is just two
guys and a semi truck and it's

854
00:48:04,250 --> 00:48:08,050
like it's an iconic action scene
now, even though nothing really

855
00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:11,140
happens.
But I feel like it's almost the

856
00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:14,260
inverse.
When Nolan has a gigantic scale

857
00:48:14,260 --> 00:48:19,580
to work with, like this movie
doesn't have the heft and the

858
00:48:19,580 --> 00:48:23,980
scope and the scale that I feel
like it needs, You needed to get

859
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:25,940
more extras on that beach or
CGIA.

860
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:29,540
Couple people in like we would
have forgiven you for CGI ING a

861
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:32,260
couple soldiers in there, dude.
Like I know most of this is is

862
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:36,020
done practically, but he had
like 30 guys on the beach and

863
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:38,980
they were like, look at the
300,000 soldiers.

864
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:41,990
Yeah, no, I I'm with you.
I think that.

865
00:48:42,030 --> 00:48:44,870
I mean, honestly, if you want to
pause this episode right now,

866
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:48,470
just go Google the Dunkirk
evacuation and go to the

867
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:51,070
Wikipedia page.
Right at the very start, there's

868
00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:55,230
a picture of the beach and
there's just countless troops in

869
00:48:55,230 --> 00:48:58,430
lines on the beach.
And I'm like just literally just

870
00:48:58,430 --> 00:49:01,270
recreate that shot.
Like, how cool would it have

871
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:05,830
been if the opening shot of the
film was like a grainy film reel

872
00:49:05,950 --> 00:49:11,460
of that exact, you know, still.
And then slowly morphed into

873
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:14,260
color and you see them all
moving about.

874
00:49:14,260 --> 00:49:16,260
And then a plane swoops in and
tries the bomb on.

875
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:18,460
Like, that would have been an
incredible shot.

876
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:21,100
And yeah, it, you know, it
should be too hard to find

877
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:24,940
300,000 extras.
They don't even be easy.

878
00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:29,380
Like The thing is, you know when
they make like sports movies.

879
00:49:30,070 --> 00:49:33,390
They usually only get enough
extras to fill one section of

880
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:36,550
the stadium, and then when they
cut to the other side, they just

881
00:49:36,550 --> 00:49:38,550
move the extras.
Like all you got to do is get

882
00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:42,670
like 1000 people and then just
make it look like 300,000.

883
00:49:42,670 --> 00:49:44,390
I don't know.
Anyway, that's that's always

884
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:48,790
bothered me about this movie,
like the execution of the movie,

885
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:51,150
the craft of the movie is
incredible.

886
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:54,670
But then there are just certain
things about it where it's like,

887
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:58,230
am I supposed to not notice that
there's only like 30 guys on

888
00:49:58,230 --> 00:50:02,560
this beach, like?
In what world would this would?

889
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,840
Would you even find a corner of
the beach where you'd only have

890
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,440
30 guys?
Yeah.

891
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,640
And the other half of that is
the, the naval part of the

892
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,960
equation, right?
Like at the end of the day they

893
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,120
show quite a few, you know,
civilian boats heading there.

894
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,960
But you got to think like even
if each boat carried 40 people

895
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,180
on it, you still need.
What is that, 1000 boats or

896
00:50:26,180 --> 00:50:28,500
10,000 boats?
Well, I assume that they made

897
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:30,300
many trips back and forth,
right?

898
00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,780
But the way the movie portrays
it, it's like we scooped them

899
00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:35,420
all up.
We're done and left.

900
00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:37,900
We're going back, yeah.
Yep, exactly.

901
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:43,100
And and so that's like, that's
the the hard part where you're

902
00:50:43,100 --> 00:50:46,900
like, show me some more boats,
show me some more men like it.

903
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:50,180
It would have been pretty
incredible to just see the scope

904
00:50:50,180 --> 00:50:53,380
of it and honestly like.
It makes me think about the

905
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:59,580
opening of Saving Private Ryan.
Like that movie captures the

906
00:50:59,580 --> 00:51:03,500
scope of the D-Day invasion
incredibly well, where you just

907
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:08,420
see thousands of men storming
this beach and there there's an

908
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:12,580
impact of the size of it.
So yeah, I'm I'm there with you,

909
00:51:12,580 --> 00:51:13,940
man.
I I think that they could have

910
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:18,940
done a little bit better at at
showing the the scope and size

911
00:51:18,940 --> 00:51:23,190
of it all.
So I was talking to Google's A I

912
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:26,670
Barred about Dunkirk.
I was asking the questions about

913
00:51:26,670 --> 00:51:29,590
the movie Dunkirk and the real
life historical events of

914
00:51:29,590 --> 00:51:32,190
Dunkirk.
And I'm going to read you an

915
00:51:32,190 --> 00:51:35,070
excerpt from the transcript I
have with Google Bar.

916
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:39,350
We're introducing a I.
We're introducing a I Yeah Man,

917
00:51:39,350 --> 00:51:40,550
Who?
Would have thought that it would

918
00:51:40,550 --> 00:51:43,510
have come from an event 8090
years ago.

919
00:51:43,590 --> 00:51:45,790
So I was asking it questions
like what are some of the

920
00:51:45,790 --> 00:51:47,990
inaccuracies in the movie
Dunkirk?

921
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:51,030
Then I asked it like.
Were the soldiers really just

922
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:53,590
hanging out on the beach?
Were they not getting shot at by

923
00:51:53,590 --> 00:51:56,350
the enemy more than this?
And then Google bar got very

924
00:51:56,350 --> 00:51:59,350
snippy with me and said the
soldiers on the beach at Dunkirk

925
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:03,870
were not just quote hanging out,
they were under constant threat

926
00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:06,110
of attack.
And it goes to talk about like

927
00:52:06,110 --> 00:52:09,390
how often they were getting
bombed and shot at from behind

928
00:52:09,390 --> 00:52:13,390
the barricades and I asked it
what kind of attacks were coming

929
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:15,870
from behind them and.
It just seemed like in this

930
00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:20,190
movie you don't really have this
constant threat of what's behind

931
00:52:20,430 --> 00:52:23,590
the walls.
And I think that no one really

932
00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:27,150
could have leaned into some of
the more horror aspects of

933
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:30,910
movies like Memento or even
Inception and had that kind of

934
00:52:30,910 --> 00:52:34,310
creeping sense of something is
is creeping up on them from

935
00:52:34,310 --> 00:52:37,870
behind and they are trapped by
this wall of water on the other

936
00:52:37,870 --> 00:52:40,990
side.
It felt more to me the rhythm of

937
00:52:40,990 --> 00:52:42,270
the movie, the pace of the
movie.

938
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,720
Like they made it to the beach
and they were like, well, we

939
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,120
just got to wait till they get
here.

940
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,920
So we're just going to sit here
and not so much like we are

941
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,120
being actively pursued.
Like, you know, Pharaoh and his

942
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,160
Chariots are chasing us to the
edge, you know what I'm saying?

943
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,640
Like, I I want something like
that where the desperation of I

944
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,320
cannot move any farther, but I
am getting pursued from behind.

945
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,720
I think that's another element
that is missing from this movie

946
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,280
for me.
So for you it didn't work that

947
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,840
he doesn't show any German
troops other than like half a

948
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,440
second when they capture Tom
Hardy.

949
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,640
I mean, I I like that this kind
of like a faceless presence, but

950
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,200
you only, you know, that's very
offscreen.

951
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,040
You get a couple bullet holes in
the hall of the ship they're

952
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,560
hiding in.
But even if they had just had

953
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:34,720
more shots where Finn Whitehead,
you know, the cameras pushing in

954
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,880
on his back and then he turns
around because he knows there's

955
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,800
something there, even if you
can't see it like.

956
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:42,540
Just to increase the paranoia of
it a little bit.

957
00:53:44,300 --> 00:53:47,020
Yeah, I mean, I I think that the
opening sequence kind of

958
00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:51,020
establishes that a little bit
when when Finn is escaping, you

959
00:53:51,020 --> 00:53:54,660
know, he's the lone survivor of
his troop that is killed by

960
00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:59,020
Germans in the town of Dunkirk.
And honestly, like that opening

961
00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:01,980
scene was incredible.
It, it's the most colorful part

962
00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:03,740
of the movie.
And I I remember thinking I was

963
00:54:03,740 --> 00:54:06,500
like, man, this is just a
beautiful opening shot of this

964
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,800
film.
And then everything else is kind

965
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,840
of just Gray and blue and and
sad, as it should be.

966
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,920
It's a good proper British film.
But I I think that you're right.

967
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,760
I I think that there's places
where the the drama could have

968
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,760
been extended.
I just for me, I think that the

969
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,000
focus on the troops and the
focus on you know the Air Force

970
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,520
and the the naval part of the
film was more than enough to

971
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,020
keep my attention, I feel like.
You're going to give this movie

972
00:54:39,020 --> 00:54:42,900
like an 8 1/2, and yet it feels
like you're talking about it

973
00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:46,380
like it's A7.
That's The thing is, like, I'm

974
00:54:46,380 --> 00:54:51,260
not going to say my score, but I
respect this movie and I want to

975
00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:53,220
give it like the recognition it
deserves.

976
00:54:53,220 --> 00:54:56,260
It's kind of like this movie
gets nominated for Best Picture,

977
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:58,980
but it like no one thought it
was going to win.

978
00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:01,020
It was nobody's favorite movie
of the year.

979
00:55:01,020 --> 00:55:02,820
Except yeah, I guess we came to
find out later.

980
00:55:02,820 --> 00:55:07,210
Tarantino loves this movie, but.
But it's kind of like, yeah, it

981
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:09,490
totally deserves to be nominated
for everything.

982
00:55:09,490 --> 00:55:12,170
It is like an impeccably crafted
film.

983
00:55:12,690 --> 00:55:15,210
It just doesn't all click for
me.

984
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:19,090
Yeah, that's that's crazy, man.
I mean, maybe it was just my

985
00:55:19,090 --> 00:55:21,450
first time through that that it
hit for me.

986
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:24,850
I thought that this was
incredibly well done.

987
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:26,730
Like, I'm with you, there's
flaws.

988
00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:30,270
It's not a perfect film.
But I think it's one of the

989
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:32,590
better war films that I've ever
seen.

990
00:55:32,590 --> 00:55:37,630
I think that it captures a lot
of the fear and terror of of

991
00:55:37,630 --> 00:55:40,590
what it's like to be at war.
I think the few moments where

992
00:55:40,590 --> 00:55:46,670
you see real human terror and,
you know, just walking off into

993
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:51,350
the ocean basically to commit
suicide, like that's brutal.

994
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:54,430
And I think Killian Murphy gives
an incredible performance

995
00:55:54,430 --> 00:55:58,350
showing how.
Desperate you feel in moments of

996
00:55:58,510 --> 00:56:03,790
of feeling that shell shock and
PTSD at for me so many avenues

997
00:56:03,790 --> 00:56:08,110
of this film worked well and I
and I'll say like most all of

998
00:56:08,110 --> 00:56:10,550
this film was like a B + 2 an A
minus.

999
00:56:11,070 --> 00:56:16,670
You know it's it's not perfect
but none of it was ever like a C

1000
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:18,790
minus.
The only part that kind of

1001
00:56:18,790 --> 00:56:22,510
struggled was Finn Whitehead.
So I, I just.

1002
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:25,300
I come at this movie and go,
man, I I just think this is a

1003
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:30,260
really technically brilliant and
beautifully shot movie that I

1004
00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:32,980
I'm, I'm in for.
Okay.

1005
00:56:32,980 --> 00:56:35,580
So I was going to talk more
about what I was asking the A I,

1006
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,020
but I don't think I want to do
that anymore because you just

1007
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:42,060
have set us up for a perfect
segue into our final two

1008
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:45,300
segments of the day, the first
of which we call Let's make it a

1009
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:48,240
Double.
Near the end of the episode.

1010
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,640
So thanks for listening to the
film and whiskey show.

1011
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,200
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1012
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,000
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1013
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,720
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double is the

1014
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,000
part of the podcast where we
pick a movie to pair up with

1015
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,760
this one to make the perfect
double feature.

1016
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,320
Brad, you are the you're the fan
of this movie.

1017
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,920
I want to see what you pair this
up with.

1018
00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:14,180
Man, this is an interesting one.
I I remember hearing somebody, I

1019
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:16,100
don't know if they talked about
it or if it was a video I

1020
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:20,060
watched that talked about
cinematic universes and you

1021
00:57:20,060 --> 00:57:22,620
know, we have the MCU and then
all the other spinoffs that

1022
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:26,620
never actually worked.
But they talked about how in

1023
00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:32,020
history there's like historical
movie universes, the largest one

1024
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:36,540
being the World War Two movie
universe.

1025
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:40,550
And I I think you kind of have
to stay in that realm for

1026
00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:43,710
Dunkirk.
I'm trying to.

1027
00:57:43,710 --> 00:57:45,230
I'm trying to remember the name
of the movie.

1028
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:48,550
I liked it a lot.
Was it The King's Speech?

1029
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:52,310
Yeah, that's that's nothing like
Dunkirk.

1030
00:57:52,310 --> 00:57:56,150
But yeah, the the movie with
Colin Firth where he has a

1031
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:59,110
speech impediment and he.
Yeah, yeah.

1032
00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:01,150
Oh yeah, totally reminds me of
Dunkirk.

1033
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:04,470
I'm going to pair that with
Dunkirk because I think that

1034
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:06,830
there's something of capturing
the element.

1035
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:10,790
Of what's going on at home in
England and the struggles

1036
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:15,350
they're facing there with the
military operations that are

1037
00:58:15,350 --> 00:58:18,910
happening, I think there's
something worth watching there.

1038
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:22,150
And so I and I also just really
like The King's Speech.

1039
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:24,230
So I'm that's what I'm pairing
up with.

1040
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:28,310
Bob scoff at me all you'd like.
Scoff, scoff, Sir.

1041
00:58:28,510 --> 00:58:30,190
All right, I'm going to pair
this up.

1042
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:33,290
With a movie that I went to the
movie theater to see this and it

1043
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:35,170
freaking blew my mind at the
time.

1044
00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:38,490
It's a documentary that was made
by Peter Jackson, the director

1045
00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:40,890
of the Lord of the Rings films.
It's not The Beatles

1046
00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:43,050
documentary, although that would
have been really funny if I had

1047
00:58:43,050 --> 00:58:45,970
done that.
It's a movie called They Shall

1048
00:58:45,970 --> 00:58:49,810
Not Grow Old.
It is basically Peter Jackson

1049
00:58:49,810 --> 00:58:52,450
and all of his folks at Weta
Digital.

1050
00:58:52,850 --> 00:58:57,210
They were given access to hours
and hours and hours of original

1051
00:58:57,210 --> 00:59:01,940
footage from World War One.
And they took it, they colorized

1052
00:59:01,940 --> 00:59:06,020
it, they upscaled it all to 4K,
they restored it, they took all

1053
00:59:06,020 --> 00:59:07,460
the pops and scratches out of
it.

1054
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:11,580
And basically what they did was
they recreated, they hired

1055
00:59:11,580 --> 00:59:15,380
people from like different
different areas of England based

1056
00:59:15,380 --> 00:59:18,980
on the patches they saw on the
soldiers uniforms to read the

1057
00:59:18,980 --> 00:59:21,380
lips of what they saw in this
footage.

1058
00:59:21,700 --> 00:59:24,860
And they just recreated what
life was like for soldiers in

1059
00:59:24,860 --> 00:59:28,500
World War One.
It brought this war that was 100

1060
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:31,200
years old at the time.
Into the modern day.

1061
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,040
And it was like it was a game
changer for me to see that,

1062
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,520
Brad, because I'd never seen,
you know, once in a while you

1063
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,600
see colorized World War Two
footage.

1064
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,240
This was colorized and updated
World War One footage.

1065
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,920
And there was just something
about the way that Jackson

1066
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:53,400
imparted such a humanity to
these people in small strips of

1067
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,240
film from 100 years ago.
It really is just like it

1068
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:01,170
balances out for me.
What this movie's lacking in

1069
01:00:01,170 --> 01:00:04,050
terms of character development,
and so I think it'd be a perfect

1070
01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:07,170
double feature with Dunkirk.
There you go.

1071
01:00:07,370 --> 01:00:09,650
I think that's a great, great
pairing, dude.

1072
01:00:10,210 --> 01:00:12,570
Well, thank you very much, Sir.
No scoffing here.

1073
01:00:14,770 --> 01:00:16,770
Oh man.
What?

1074
01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:18,490
What's your final score on this,
Bob?

1075
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:20,610
I'm really curious where you're
gonna end up.

1076
01:00:21,530 --> 01:00:26,850
I think, like objectively, this
movie should be given an 8 out

1077
01:00:26,850 --> 01:00:31,870
of 10.
I think that I enjoy it, a 7.5

1078
01:00:31,870 --> 01:00:35,150
out of 10.
It's a like and that feels weird

1079
01:00:35,150 --> 01:00:39,990
to say because like this is a
much better made movie than 90%

1080
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:43,910
of three Star Movies, right?
Like it's just it's incredible

1081
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:45,750
to look at.
You can tell there's a genius

1082
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:49,550
behind the camera and also
writing the script, but it just

1083
01:00:49,550 --> 01:00:52,270
doesn't all click for me.
It leaves me feeling a little

1084
01:00:52,270 --> 01:00:55,990
detached, a little cold, and I
think for that reason I can't

1085
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:57,990
really go above a 7 1/2 on this
one.

1086
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,600
Yeah, I this just worked for me,
man.

1087
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,760
I I think that the action
sequences are brilliantly shot.

1088
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,400
I think he captures the
claustrophobia of being in a

1089
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,600
sinking ship incredibly well
there.

1090
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,480
There's just so many brilliant
moments throughout this movie

1091
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,200
that just like took my breath
away.

1092
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,160
So I'm going to give it a nine
out of 10.

1093
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,480
I I think that this is a stellar
movie and one of the better

1094
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,760
World War 2 movies that we've
gotten in a very long time.

1095
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,200
All right, so I'm giving it a 7
1/2.

1096
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,680
Brad gives it a nine.
That brings our average to an

1097
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,360
8.25 out of 10.
But I'd like to know what you

1098
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,840
think.
Film and Whiskey Nation seems

1099
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,000
like I'm more in line with the
general public on this, But if

1100
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,040
you're a Nolan fan, then I have
a feeling you probably

1101
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:45,920
appreciate this movie a little
bit more.

1102
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,800
So let us know what you think.
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1103
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,040
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1104
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,980
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1105
01:01:58,420 --> 01:02:02,140
Or you can jump on the Discord,
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1106
01:02:02,140 --> 01:02:04,220
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1107
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:07,100
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1108
01:02:07,100 --> 01:02:09,460
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1109
01:02:09,460 --> 01:02:12,820
notes.
Brad, next week we are just

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fully diving into the Japanese
stuff.

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We we we dipped our toe into it
with Mizonara this week.

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Next week we are introducing
Akira Kurosawa.

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I cannot freaking wait, man.
We're starting with his 1950

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masterpiece Rashomon.
How pumped are you dude?

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I am incredibly excited to jump
in to Kurosawa.

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It's it's something that, like
I've wanted to do for a while,

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but I've held off because I know
we're going to do it on the

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podcast.
So here we are and I am so, so

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pumped for it.
All right.

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We will see you guys next week
for Rashomon.

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But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And we'll see you next time.