District 9 / Hardin's Creek Col. James B. Beam Bourbon

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In 2009, director Neil Blomkamp
and star Charlotte Copley gave

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the world a strangely touching
film about the dangers of.

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Human Pride.
In 2024 we try one of the newer

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releases from the James B Beam
Company.

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The film is District 9.
The Whiskey is Hardin's Creek

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Colonel James B Beam.
Or review them both.

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This is the Film and Whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

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And this week we are looking at
the 2009 sci-fi classic District

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9.
Brad, I just want to set the

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stage today by talking about
District 9 by offering a bit of

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an apology to our listeners who
are big sci-fi fans because much

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like the Academy Awards who
consistently ignore the realm of

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sci-fi, we've not done a lot of
true sci-fi films on this

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podcast.
I mean, fair like you've, we've

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done Star Wars, right?
And maybe a couple others, but

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anything that's kind of science
fiction related has been more

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horror than like pure sci-fi.
Yeah, I was going to say I it's

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hard anymore to get pure sci-fi
films right.

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Like anything set in space is
either going to be like fantasy

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adventure or Marvel, neither of
which fall into the realm of

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sci-fi.
Now even Star Wars, I would say

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is like famously, it is a space
opera.

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It's a fantasy.
It's more about what it takes to

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be a heroic person than it is
about the gadgets and technology

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and exploration of space and all
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So I can't think of many true
sci-fi movies we've done.

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I I would call the original
Alien like a an actual sci-fi

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movie.
Yeah, I mean, it's a horror

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film, but it's also probably the
closest thing we've gotten to a

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pure sci-fi film.
And we've always said from the

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beginning that you are
definitely more of a fan of

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sci-fi than I am.
Not that I'm against it, it's

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just never really been my
favorite genre and I'm kind of

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wondering now that we've parsed
out all these different mini

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genres too, whether you're
actually a fan of sci-fi or or

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if it's more like space operas,
baby.

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I've always been a fan of
fantasy over sci-fi.

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Like I, I've not read the
original Dune books, but from

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what I know, they are highly
technical and can be pretty

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dense to get through.
And so I, I actually don't know

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if I would say I'm a huge sci-fi
fan, but part of that's because

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I didn't grow up in the 60s and
70s when like sci-fi really was

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a hugely popular thing.
Like as the world was trying to

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figure out technology and going
to space and what is out there.

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Like there was this massive
fascination in the general

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public about the the like
technicalities of what it would

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take to go to space, and that's
why the genre really exploded.

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Yeah.
And I feel like that's where you

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kind of get this idea of a hard
sci-fi and soft sci-fi being.

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Like, you know, you could call
Jurassic Park a science fiction

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film because it's about a
fictional use of human science.

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It's about this fantastical idea
of where human intervention

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could go if we push our
scientific knowledge to its

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limits.
But I've never considered

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Jurassic Park a sci-fi film.
And so when you look at a movie

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like District 9, I feel like it
really toes that line because it

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is an Earthbound film, but it
also features aliens and it has

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some pretty intense world
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So this is probably the most
pure science fiction film we've

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done on the show since Alien.
And I, I think that's one thing

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I really love about this film is
the world building that occurs,

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the talent that blom comp blom
comp blom camp.

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Yeah, just go with one pick.
Let's pick one and we'll run

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with it today.
OK.

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I'm going to go with Blom.
Blom, I don't even know, man.

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Blomkamp, we're saying it.
Blomkamp.

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All right, so Blomkamp does such
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tiny little tidbits that lead
off into like no man's land as

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far as world building goes, and
then they just trail off and

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leave you nowhere.
It's like, why the hell do these

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aliens love cat food?
It's like nobody knows, but it's

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such a fascinating little piece
of nothing that you need

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mountains of those little things
built up to make a universe

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interesting.
And I, I think he knocks that

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out of the park here.
Well, we're going to explore

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every corner of that little
universe, especially the cat

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food corner.
But folks, let's let's welcome

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you in here a little bit.
If this is your first time

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listening to film and whiskey,
what do we do on this podcast?

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We review movies, we review
whiskey.

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It's pretty straightforward.
I know this season what we're

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doing is we're looking at films
from the last 20 years and we

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are asking the question, does
this movie deserve to be

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considered a modern masterpiece?
Except for last week, when we

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forgot to answer that question
for La La Land.

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This is the second time in our
young season where we have

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forgotten to ask the core
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So please forgive us folks, but
I feel like our scores on La La

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Land are fairly indicative of
what we think of the film.

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So I'm just going to very
quickly say yes, I think it

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deserves to be considered a
modern classic.

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Absolutely.
Cool.

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All right, now we're going to
ask that question about District

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9 over the next 4550 minutes.
So Brad, I think in order to get

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into the movie, we need to get
to our first segment of the day,

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which we call, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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show where Brad breaks down the
plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
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Brad, I'm pretty sure this was
your first time with District 9,

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but perhaps the more important
question, did you have any

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knowledge of this film?
I have not seen this movie

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before and my the extent of my
knowledge was that there's

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aliens that are like in a ghetto
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So I, I knew very little about
it, although one of the most

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important elements of world
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to assume that humans aren't the
only species who have tears of

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like intelligence and
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I I love the way that Blomkamp
shows how even in this alien

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society, it's like we don't
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here on Earth, but it seems to
be alien ineptitude on some

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level.
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kind of like what people think
when they listen to our podcast,

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when they're like, I don't
really understand why Brad is

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saying these things, but I'm
just gonna assume it's it's

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probably alien ineptitude.
Yeah, 100%.

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All right.
So I'm glad that you were at

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least aware of the movie.
And I think that's a testament

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to the fact that, you know, this
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upon release it ended up
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in North America.
So it was well seen at the time.

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I feel like I remember it also
being a, a huge fixture on early

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streaming Netflix, like when
everybody first got Netflix in,

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you know, 2013, 1415.
It was on Netflix all like that

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entire stretch.
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caught it, you know, when it
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So people are definitely aware
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I feel like it's the kind of
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today and expect the same
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has no movie stars.
It's made by a guy from South

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Africa.
It cost $30 million to make.

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This would be probably a direct
to Netflix movie that people

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would watch over the course of
like a Thanksgiving weekend and

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then no one would talk about it
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So I'm glad it came out when it
did because it deserves a lot

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better than the fate it would
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Brad, I'm rambling now.
You have 60 seconds to break

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down the plot of this movie.
Folks, if you have not seen

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District 9, I encourage you to
stop this episode now, go watch

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it and then come back and join
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It's a nice breezy sub two hour
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Brad, One minute and go.
District 9 is a film about a

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fictional alien, not quite
mothership, but a massive alien

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ship that settles in over South
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The inhabitants are released and
ghettoized into a small area

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known as District 9.
A large corporation comes in

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about 20 years later and is
trying to move them out of this

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ghetto and into a nearby area.
And in that process, the man in

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charge of the movement of the
aliens is infected by an alien

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disease, slowly transformed into
one of the aliens, and fights

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for his very survival and cure.
Yeah, Brad, I think that's a

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good explanation of the plot of
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But I think where I'd like to
start is talking about the, I

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don't want to say the genre, but
the form of the movie, The way

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the movie is presented to the
viewer because it has elements

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of obviously documentary.
There's like legitimate fake

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documentary interviews with
experts throughout the movie

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talking about the context of
this alien invasion, setting the

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stage for the world building
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You know, how did they come to
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Why are we trying to evacuate
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Who is this corporation?
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It has found footage elements
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really prominent over the
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And then it has like just
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shaky Cam, almost Cloverfield
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the movie.
So it's this mash up of

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different genres that I think
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movie experience.
There's really nothing new here

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in terms of what the movie does,
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put together, but I think like
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ingredients feels fresh.
The way that they take this main

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character who we haven't named
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Vanderveer, which is a great
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Like of all the characters we've
ever seen in the movie, I think

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it might be one of my favorite
names.

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And the way that they take him
on this journey of inept, like

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not quite politician, but like
bureaucratic official and slowly

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turn him into a completely BA
like action hero is, is

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absolutely incredible.
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much world building that's like
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I, I, I think that's the thing
that really clicked with me for

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this movie was that A,
everything that they reveal to

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you about the alien culture and
how the humans interact with

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them is so well done and
fascinating and kept me like in

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my seat at the edge of my seat.
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way of keeping me guessing.
I like I never found myself

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going.
I know exactly what's going to

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happen next.
The only element that was

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lackluster was the main bad guy,
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You just knew that he had plot
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That was like one of the very
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Poorly part, poorly done parts
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All right, let's start talking
about the movie itself.

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And I guess let's start at the
top here with Charlotte.

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So Copley, who was unknown
globally prior to this film,

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much like Neil Blomkamp and has
been a steady working actor in

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Hollywood since this movie came
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It really helped establish an
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I feel like unfortunately, he's
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devious bad guys, mostly in
movies from here on out, which

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don't tap into his strengths.
Like, yes, he can play a slimy

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guy, but the great thing about
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is how much of A weakling he is.
And that transformation that you

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were talking about Brad, you
know, he he gives off huge early

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season Michael Scott vibes at
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they're showing the inner
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And he's not like he's not
committing the social blunders

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and faux pas that Michael Scott
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But you can tell that like, none
of these people respect him.

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None of these people think he's
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And then slowly over the course
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desperation, you watch his
emotions, and then finally this

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resolve at the end of the film
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predicament that he's in.
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absolutely stellar performance,
man.

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Yeah, he actually kind of
reminds me of Jerry from Parks

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and Rec in that he, like, he's a
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has this wildly attractive wife.
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understand how it works or how
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And yet here he is.
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talked about the kind of like
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chasing him throughout the film.
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the film by a country mile was
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scene together where she has to
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presence.
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Christian movie acting bad.
Like it's, it's it's real bad,

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dude.
You know you gotta.

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Throw Christian buses movies
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there's a couple phone calls
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she's crying on the phone and
it's so much better than trying

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to watch her emote.
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movie was either incredible like
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at least serviceable in the
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Yeah, I mean, I I remember
watching Pacific Rim and

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thinking like the main character
in that is just generic white

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action guy #17 and I kind of
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Boss for what is it
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MNUMNUI love that they just give
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It's literally called
Multinational United.

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I absolutely love the naming,

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the nomenclature there.
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that, who is his father-in-law,
he's generic CEO bad guy #42 and

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the mercenary who is the head of
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mercenary, white mercenary guy
#14 like, and they do exactly

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what they need to do without
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main thing that's happening in
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transformation from, you know,
the human, all of the negative

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elements of humanity into
something that is alien to

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humans, which is like, kindness
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protection of your children and,
and all of these, like,

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beautiful things.
Let's talk a little bit about

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the aliens in this film and
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design.
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this movie only cost $30
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staggering when you think about
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I mean, it is you can tell where
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movie because they're doing the
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thing.
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like these elaborate set pieces.
It most of the film is contained

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to just like two or three
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It's like Vickus's house and
then you and then the the slum

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of District 9.
That's pretty much the entire

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film.
And so you know that the money

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is not really going to that.
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is going to a couple explosions,
some practical effects and then

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the CGI which is used to create
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And I think I will say upfront,
it's pretty obvious that this is

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$30 million of CGI and not $300
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I'm not going to lie, I like the
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See, that's the thing I did too.
Like there's, there's some

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things about it where like their
eyes look kind of fake, but

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there's there's like an element
of how the chintziness of it

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almost kind of works better
because these creatures look so

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completely foreign to us that
once you get used to the way

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they look, I think it works
really well.

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Brad.
Yeah, there there is no doubt in

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my mind this is one of the best
alien movies as far as like the

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visual composition of the
aliens, like they're familiar.

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They do a good job of marking
out which aliens you should care

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about.
And also I you said that the

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eyes look a little chintzy.
I think that the absolute 100%

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most important part of this
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the aliens eyes look endearing.
Like think about any like anime

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cute little dog character or
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It's got giant eyes right?
And the the aliens eyes in this

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are big and they are round and
they remind me of like a cute

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anime character.
And without those eyes that show

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genuine pain and remorse and
sadness like the aliens in this

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movie would be, you would not be
able to empathize with them at

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all.
But man, when you watch the main

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alien, who is named Christopher
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son, it's his eyes that draw you
in and helps you understand the

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pain.
And I, I think if you're ever

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going to make an alien movie
that has relatable aliens, you

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have to get the eyes.
Right, 100% and you can see fear

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in their eyes.
You can see sadness and longing

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in their eyes.
I, I just yeah, I'm with you.

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I like the the coloration of
them and they don't look like

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they exist in the real world.
But again, once you kind of get

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past that first filter in your
brain and you start just

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watching the movie for what it
is, I really thought that they

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did a great job with their
limited resources and budget on

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that CGI.
And I also think it's really

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funny.
You know, the early goings of

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this movie are basically you are
following a documentary team as

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they are raiding District 9,
which is where the aliens all

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live to evict them and forcibly
move them to a new sort of

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ghetto to another part of town.
And Vickus is leading the charge

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because his father-in-law is the
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It's it's very bureaucratic and
it's really funny.

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It's funny to watch Vickus like
pretend like he knows what's

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going on.
And he he does have some

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knowledge of the aliens, but
he's bad at negotiating.

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He's bad at being an enforcer.
He doesn't know how to properly

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handle alien weaponry.
And then you get the what to me

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was I think the funniest reveal
of the movie, which is like,

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he's talking to the 4th or 5th
alien down on the list who

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becomes kind of our main
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And they haven't named any of
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And then he's like Christopher
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That's you, right?
And the reveal that they are

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naming these aliens and not just
naming them, but giving them the

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most generic names.
Again, this, you know, this

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entire movie is a reference to
apartheid South Africa.

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You know, so I'm making light of
the naming, but obviously, like

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the way that slaves in Africa
and outside of Africa came to

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acquire the names they had today
is because people gave them

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those names and they weren't
names that they were were born

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with or brought here with.
So I understand that I'm making

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light of something that is
actually hitting on a very

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serious topic.
But for the entirety of the

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movie to watch these people with
a straight face refer to this

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alien creature as Christopher
Johnson.

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It it did kind of just get me
every time.

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Yeah, that was the surprising
part for me about the film is

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the style of black comedy that
it is like when he's going

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around trying to get these
signatures from aliens that like

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there's just something visually
so funny about the alien hitting

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the clipboard out of his hand.
And he goes to his compatriot

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who he's like training and he's
like, see, this is this is the

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scribble that I that I needed.
He he hit it and therefore we're

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good to evict him in 24 hours.
It really demonstrates how slimy

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the corporation is and it kind
of sets the tone for the first

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half of the movie.
I talked about how the movie

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structured or not even
structured, but like put

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together out of three different
kinds of filmmaking.

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But I think it also incorporates
different genres really well.

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So at the beginning you've got
kind of the comedy workplace

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environment elements and
documentary style.

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And then there's this big
government conspiratorial

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element with cover ups and
becomes a parable or like a

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metaphor for apartheid.
And it's really harrowing for a

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while.
But then it shifts into like

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straight David Cronenberg style
body horror.

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Like there's fingernails falling
off and teeth falling out and

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limbs transforming into alien
limbs and bodies exploding

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everywhere.
And by the end, it's like a

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straight up action war film.
And I really love how Blomkamp

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kind of weaves together these
genres so effectively.

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Because to your point, Brad, I,
I want to focus on that first

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part for a minute.
It's really hard to watch at

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points because once you start
empathizing with the aliens,

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seeing what happens to them gets
continually worse.

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And I mean, I don't want to draw
direct comparisons to a movie

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like Schindler's List, but it's
like not out of the realm of

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comparison.
You're watching this race of

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creatures get absolutely
eviscerated and taken advantage

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of and exploited, and then you
find out there's genetic testing

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and kidnappings and experiments
and just firing weapons at them

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to see what happens.
And it's a really tough watch in

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the early part of the movie.
Yeah, and that's that's the

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entire impetus of the film is
that we we humans, when we come

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upon something new, we often
will show fascination and

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respect and dignity and all, all
of these things where we are

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interested in the new thing.
And then within a few years, if

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that the question no longer is,
you know, wow, there's this

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beautiful new thing.
What what is it all about?

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And it turns into the question
of how is it useful for me?

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And like, that's the entire
thrust of this movie is to say

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like, what is the cost of a
human large corporation style

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entity that is only ever
interested in its own profit and

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you like you end up with wild
things.

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Like, I don't think it is a
stretch to say that they were

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thinking about the Nazi
experiments on humans when they

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were looking at what this
corporation is doing to aliens.

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And you can 100% hear the
justification of like, well,

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they're not human.
They're just aliens.

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We can do whatever we want.
This is for the betterment of

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humanity.
It'll keep us safe if they ever

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invaded.
Like you can hear all of the

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reasonings, but the movie is
continually trying to show you,

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like, what is it costing humans
to engage in such activities?

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What part of the movie did you
find most effective?

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Was it the early documentary
style or the middle body horror

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Manhunt?
Or was it the third act where he

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starts fighting back?
I think that the first two acts

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of the film are incredibly
effective.

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I think that the third and final
act kept me guessing based on

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the twists and how you think
that they've lost.

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There's no way that they could
win and they come back.

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Like it definitely is effective
action storytelling and keeping

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you interested.
But for me, the documentary

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style lasted just long enough
for me to be like, OK, I wonder

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where this movie's going.
And like, right as I was almost

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bored, his body starts changing
and, and he starts trans, you

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know, transforming into this
alien creature and you're like,

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OK, I'm back in.
And then it's this mystery film

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of like almost like a fugitive
type of movie where you're like,

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he's on the run, He's trying to
find a solution.

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I and I think that was what was
so effective about the three

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individual parts of the film is
that it kept me interested the

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whole time rather than the
entire movie being done through

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1 lens.
Well, and it's such a great

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action movie convention too,
because in that middle part, he

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returns to the slum of District
9 to hide from multinational,

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whatever it's called.
I almost said university.

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He's hiding out with the with
Christopher Johnson, the guy

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that he was interrogating
earlier in the film.

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And it does that brilliant thing
where you've got two guys who

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both have to take down the same
common enemy and they are bound

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together by circumstance.
They don't like each other, but

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they have to work together.
And then by the end of the film,

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they're buddies.
You're bought into their

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relationship.
And it's like, you know, it's

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been done 100 times, but it's
been done 100 times for a

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reason.
It's like it's a great

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convention to get two different
parties to start working

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together.
And like, you know, the second

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that they start revealing their
plan to Vickus that they're

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trying to get this kind of like
a small, I don't know what, what

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would you call that?
Like a fighter jet almost to get

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back up to the ship so that they
can go home and then hopefully

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come back and rescue their
people.

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Once that plan is put in motion,
it's like, OK, I can see where

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the movie is going to go now and
I am 100% on board.

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And the reason I'm 100% on board
with the relationship between

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Vicus and Christopher Johnson
and the action and the escape

447
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,720
and all the things is because
they made a freaking adorable

448
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,280
little alien boy who just wants
to go home.

449
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,440
Dude, that scene where he's
asking his dad about how many

450
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,160
moons there are around this
planet?

451
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080
Come on.
It's absolutely perfect at

452
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040
pulling on the heartstrings and
helping you go.

453
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,960
Yeah, no, these are just real
people who are also aliens.

454
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,840
And Oh my gosh dude, what an
incredible use of emotional just

455
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,960
like heart pulling on the
heartstrings.

456
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,640
I'm I'm talking myself into a
higher score on this movie than

457
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,200
I initially gave it.
I dude, I, I, I came away from

458
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,160
watching the movie.
I was like, yeah, this is like a

459
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:27,080
7 1/2 like a like a really fun
little action drama about, you

460
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,400
know, the dangers of human
predations.

461
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,360
And I'm like, the more we talk
about it more like, I don't

462
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:33,720
know.
This is a pretty good movie,

463
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Bob.
That's a pretty good movie,

464
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,600
Brad.
I think this is a good place to

465
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,320
hit pause.
I have more to say, but I think

466
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,360
it's time we drink some whiskey.
Let's get to it.

467
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,320
Today we are checking out
Hardens Creek Colonel James B

468
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,520
Beam Bourbon Whiskey.
This comes from the Jim Beam

469
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Company as a new brand extension
that launched I think in 2022.

470
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,720
We haven't gotten around to
trying it until now, Brad, and

471
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,480
I'm really excited because it
made a big splash upon release.

472
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,280
Part of the excitement came
because of Jim Beam's

473
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,800
announcement that this would be
a line of new annual releases.

474
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,440
So there's multiple variants of
Hardin's Creek, but today we're

475
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,600
just focusing on the label
called Colonel James B Beam.

476
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,280
This particular whiskey is only
two years old, but it's made at

477
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,400
the new Fred B No distillery
recently opened by Jim Beam.

478
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,440
It's distilled by Master
Distiller Freddie No, who we've

479
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,240
talked to on the podcast before.
They've said this expression

480
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,840
honors Jim Beam with its low
distillation proof and lower

481
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,200
entry proof into the barrel.
It's clocks in at 108 proof in

482
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640
the bottle.
I'm going to be honest dude,

483
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,480
that two year age statement is a
little bit concerning for me.

484
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,640
You and I have had wildly varied
experiences with two year

485
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,720
whiskey.
Yeah, I read the same thing,

486
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,040
that this is 2 years old and
became a little suspicious that

487
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,360
there's just, there's only so
much you can do in two years,

488
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,880
Bob, You know what I mean?
Like I there's just a part of me

489
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,160
that you drink enough whiskey.
It feels like you have to

490
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,360
recognize that 2 year old
product is either a going to be

491
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:28,280
for consumers that don't know
much about whiskey, or it's for

492
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,400
the other end of the spectrum of
like people who are so familiar

493
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,600
with the intricacies of whiskey
production that they can taste a

494
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,600
2 year old product, recognize
where it's going in the barrel,

495
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,200
and like point it towards
something greater.

496
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,560
But that means that you're
either a master distiller or you

497
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,840
know somebody who is only
interested in $20 bottles of

498
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520
whiskey.
Now to your point, I think there

499
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,200
are two ways to think about why
they choose A2 year whiskey.

500
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,040
You know, one approach is
basically what Bardstown Bourbon

501
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,160
Company has done, which is
sourcing whiskey and then kind

502
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,520
of gradually working their
distillate into the blend until

503
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,360
only their whiskey is left and
kind of takes over entirely.

504
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,080
Then the other approach is
basically saying, hey, we think

505
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720
this stands up on its own at two
years to release it.

506
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,760
And so maybe they'll increase
the age statement in coming

507
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,920
years and kind of allow that
whiskey to develop over time.

508
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,840
But I think people have
different reactions to that

509
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,880
strategy.
Like either it's hey, this

510
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,360
company's trying to sell me a
story about two year whiskey, or

511
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400
you can choose to do what I'm
choosing to do, which is take

512
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,280
the optimistic view.
They really believe in this.

513
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920
And after talking with Freddie
No about the product, I believe

514
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,160
that they genuinely stand by it.
Like they could have blended it

515
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,200
really heavily and blended it in
with a bunch of other stuffed

516
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,840
and kind of masked its
character.

517
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,680
But they chose to showcase it
for what it is.

518
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,000
So whether they increase the age
or not, I think that it's pretty

519
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,920
clear that they believe in what
they've made and I appreciate

520
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,360
that.
I I think that's a, that's a

521
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:09,200
take that is a fair and honest.
Take now, Brad, you've tried

522
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880
this already and I feel like, I
feel like you're tipping your

523
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,360
hand here a little bit.
Yeah, So the nose on this bad

524
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,520
boy, if I can get into it,
there's peanut brittle, it's

525
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:25,080
vanilla frosting like it's got
some very sharply sweet notes.

526
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,720
There's some black pepper.
It gets a little bit spicy for

527
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,400
me, though, the the more time I
spent with it, there's a lot of

528
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,440
young graininess on this nose
that kept it from being a higher

529
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,160
score.
I'm going to give it a 7 out of

530
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,960
10 on the nose.
I I think it's interesting just

531
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,440
a little.
Bit young for me.

532
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,720
I'd give it a 7.5.
I think that there's a lot

533
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,880
happening here.
I get floral notes like rose

534
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,640
petal on the nose along with
some melon.

535
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,120
There's definitely some
graininess, but there's oak,

536
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,840
there's black pepper, there's
vanilla.

537
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,440
What bums me out though is that
even at 108 proof like the

538
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,400
aromas feel very muted.
It smells like a watered down

539
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,560
whiskey even though it's not.
So the flavors are good, but

540
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,400
they don't stand out, which is
why I'm landing at a 7 1/2.

541
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Yeah, and the the mutedness kind
of continues on into the palate

542
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,840
for me, man, I did not get very
much sweetness at all on this.

543
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Like there's a little bit of
caramel vanilla going on at the

544
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,840
front of the pallet.
After that, though, it is all

545
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,680
black pepper oak.
I don't know if I've ever given

546
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,960
this note before, but it kind of
jumped into like a paprika spice

547
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,400
range for me.
It's a really weird, interesting

548
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:54,080
flavor profile that has that
essence of youth about it that

549
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,560
I'm going to give a six out of
10.

550
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,320
Interestingly, this drinks like
a very heavily oaked older

551
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,720
bourbon.
Like if somebody told me this

552
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,920
was 10 year whiskey, I might
believe it.

553
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,520
On the palate, I got green apple
upfront, which I really love.

554
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,080
Caramel and the nuttiness that
Beam is known for.

555
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,560
That's all here.
It definitely has more of a

556
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,360
toasted oak thing though, like
that that profile that can be

557
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,320
hit or miss for me.
So honestly, I don't know man,

558
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,200
this is one of the best young
bourbons I've had on the

559
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,560
podcast.
I'm going to give it a 7 1/2

560
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,920
again here.
I think the finish comes up a

561
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,200
little bit from the palate.
There's oak, there's coffee

562
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,680
bean.
It sticks with that black pepper

563
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440
like everything I kind of expect
out of a finish.

564
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Once again though, it's got a
little bit of that sour

565
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,480
youngness that sticks around for
a while.

566
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,600
It just doesn't have the age to
give you a well-rounded

567
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,320
experience.
It's a 6 1/2 for me on the

568
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,200
finish.
The finish drops to just like a

569
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,800
six for me, OK, Like it's, it's
not the finish itself, but like

570
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,240
the last gasp of the palette
that graininess kind of presents

571
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,800
like it's almost like when you
drink like a bottled water that

572
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,239
has minerals added like Dasani,
like there's a minerality here.

573
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,400
It gives you kind of that, like
that chalky note, which I really

574
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,440
don't like for 90% of the
drinking experience.

575
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,520
This is way better than those
kind of young or cheap Jim Beam

576
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,960
products that we tried at the
end of last season.

577
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,239
But that minerality at the end
reminds me of even some of those

578
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:39,840
like bottom tier Beam offerings.
In terms of balance, I'll come

579
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,480
back up to A7.
Overall, this is really well

580
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,840
balanced.
The 108 proof was the right

581
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,800
choice.
At 80 or 90 proof, it probably

582
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,400
would have been too watery.
But that one off note at the

583
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,040
end, like really keeps it from
getting a higher score for me.

584
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,080
So I'm going to give it just a
solid seven overall.

585
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,280
Yeah, Balance wise, this is a
six out of 10.

586
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,040
I, I, I don't think that there's
enough going on here for me to

587
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,680
be interested.
And unfortunately, man, oh man,

588
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,000
this just never goes anywhere
sweet.

589
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,960
And it, it's not that I need
things to be sweet to be tasty.

590
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:24,120
I, I love a good 95.5 rye, 100%
rye, but it just doesn't have

591
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,920
the balance to make the sour
young grain worth it.

592
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,880
And and getting into value Bob,
this is an $80.00 bottle of

593
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,080
whiskey for a two year product
right?

594
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:49,520
That is a lot of money for a
average 2 year bourbon in my

595
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,720
opinion.
Dude this is a 3 1/2 for me on

596
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,360
on value.
Yeah, I mean, I think the

597
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,440
whiskey is actually quite good.
It is also a two year product.

598
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,160
Like I just, there's only so
much you can tell me in the

599
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,200
marketing materials about how
rare this liquid is to justify

600
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,520
putting an $80.00 price tag on
two year bourbon.

601
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,840
Like I just, I don't get it.
You know, we've tried the, I

602
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,680
believe, 108 proof Jim Beam
Single Barrel last season, which

603
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,560
was fine, but that's like $35.
And I think that that's a blend

604
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,840
of, you know, four to seven-year
bourbon.

605
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,360
So like, what are we doing here
at $80.00?

606
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,040
I do think this is a poor value.
I'm going to give it a four out

607
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,800
of 10 on value, which takes me
to a 32 out of 50 on average.

608
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Brad, where are you coming out
on this one?

609
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,280
I am at a 29 out of 50.
Yeah, this is weird because I

610
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,200
actually think that if we're
just talking about the liquid in

611
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,480
the glass, this is better to me
than a 61 out of 100, which is

612
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,560
what we're coming out to.
But when you factor in the value

613
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,840
category, you know, even if they
were trying to sell this at 50

614
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560
bucks, I'd probably give them a
little bit more of a pass on

615
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,200
this one.
I just, I don't know how you can

616
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,080
justify an $80.00 price tag
here.

617
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,680
Yeah, it is massively
overpriced.

618
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,920
The only way I would come above
like a 5 or 6 on my value score

619
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,960
is if the price tag was 3999 or
less.

620
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,720
That like that is the only way I
could justify this.

621
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,880
As it is, this is my first sub
30W and quite some time I feel

622
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,840
like.
Do you feel like the the juice

623
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,000
itself is sub 30 or is it just
kind of dragged down by the

624
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,480
value I?
Mean my score was a 25.5 out of

625
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,280
40, OK, for just the juice.
So maybe, you know, extrapolate

626
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,560
that out.
Maybe it's like a 70 to 75 out

627
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,920
of 100, you know, if I was just
doing it on that basis, but man,

628
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,040
I, I don't think I would buy
this even at $40.

629
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,200
Yeah, I agree.
And, and I again, I don't think

630
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,760
it's bad whiskey, but I just,
there's nothing that would make

631
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,400
me tempted to go out and spend
$80.00 or honestly to get a

632
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,720
pour, a pour of this is going to
cost you probably 12 to $14.00.

633
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Like I, you know, I just think
there's other things, especially

634
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,760
from the Jim Beam company that I
would try before this.

635
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,400
So a. 100%.
Brad, unfortunately we've hit

636
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,040
kind of a snag here in our day
with this product.

637
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,840
But you know, this is what we're
here to do.

638
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
We're talking honestly about the
whiskey in front of us.

639
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,960
Yeah, the there's other places
you can go to find good whiskey.

640
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,600
Today is just an unfortunate
detour.

641
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,760
All right, man, let's get back
to talking about District 9.

642
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,960
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

643
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,840
All right, everybody.
That was Hardens Creek Colonel

644
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,480
James B Beam Bourbon.
Is it a bourbon?

645
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,480
It sure was.
Yeah.

646
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,520
A whiskey that I will not be
returning to anytime soon.

647
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,760
Paired with a place in the
world, I probably wouldn't

648
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,600
return to either.
I do like that you had to double

649
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,880
check if it was a bourbon.
It would be really funny if you

650
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,360
were like, oh, the whole time I
thought it was single malt.

651
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,560
This changes everything.
All right.

652
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,800
Well, Brad, I think it's time
for us to get into our game for

653
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,640
the day, which we call 2 facts
and a falsehood.

654
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:19,320
Brad is going to try to stump
your ball. 2 are right and what

655
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,680
is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

656
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,280
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

657
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,080
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

658
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,600
which is a complete lie.
Brad, as of right now, I am

659
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,280
sitting at Let's count them up
123-4567 and two on the season.

660
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,280
You're dominating, man.
It's been pretty good so far.

661
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,840
I I will say, beyond knowing
that Neil Blomkamp made this

662
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,480
movie, that it's set in South
Africa, that it's about

663
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,880
apartheid and that Peter Jackson
helped produce it, I know very

664
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,760
little about the background on
this movie.

665
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,960
So I said this last week with La
La Land, and I just guessed.

666
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,080
I pulled an answer right out of
my butt and.

667
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,320
Was happily lucky on that one.
I might have to do the same

668
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,320
thing today.
I.

669
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,600
Am excited to see you pull
things out of your butt Bob.

670
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,720
What a good time it.
Doesn't help that we are video

671
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,680
chatting as we do this so I I
feel like you're being honest

672
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,640
and I don't like that.
Fact number one District 9 was

673
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,040
largely inspired by director
Neil Blomkamp's experience of

674
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,720
apartheid and contains many
references to that time period

675
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,240
throughout the film.
True such as?

676
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,240
Such as anti apartheid graffiti
and the use of the term prawns

677
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:38,760
which is similar to the Isuzu
word for oppressors which is

678
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,920
pronounced Prawnzana.
Fact #2 District 9 was

679
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,520
originally supposed to be a spin
off of the Halo Combat Evolved

680
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,440
video game franchise.
When the project fell through,

681
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,160
producer Peter Jackson gave Neil
Blomkamp the go ahead to make a

682
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,240
movie about whatever he wanted.
Fact #3 The design for the

683
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,280
aliens went through quite a few
iterations before the final

684
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,160
insectoid prawn concept was
finalized.

685
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Originally, the aliens were
conceived as a quadrupedal

686
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,480
hulking creatures with leathery
skin and tentacled faces, and

687
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,760
were intended intended to be
performed by actors in creature

688
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,080
suits.
The prawn creatures were

689
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,120
initially meant to be masters of
the tentacle faced creatures,

690
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,160
keeping with the idea that the
aliens were slaves.

691
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,160
OK, so I know that number 2 is
true just from browsing the

692
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,160
Wikipedia page before we jumped
on here.

693
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,320
Like I I knew that it was a a.
Halo thing.

694
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,120
I love when you.
I love when you go.

695
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,520
I know nothing about this film
other than the director and the

696
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,560
setting.
And then you immediately go, you

697
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,000
know, as I browsed the Wikipedia
page.

698
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,360
Well, forgive me for thinking
that your research would go

699
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,960
deeper than Wikipedia, my guy.
I don't look at Wikipedia for

700
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,800
this.
Well, there you go.

701
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,120
I did.
I did today and I read the

702
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
production thing which said
Peter Jackson intended to make a

703
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Halo movie.
And then that fell through

704
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,800
'cause I was going to make note
of it in the first part of the

705
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,720
episode because they said that
most of the props that are used

706
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,520
in the movie were repurposed
Halo props.

707
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,160
And I'm not a guy that plays
Halo.

708
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,200
So I was going to ask you, does
it look like Halo stuff 'cause I

709
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,280
have no idea.
But do you play Halo?

710
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,880
I have played Halo quite
extensively, Halo and Halo 2

711
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,080
specifically.
Once it hit Halo 4, I was kind

712
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,120
of out.
Me too.

713
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,440
Yeah, I know, right.
I will say the weapons in the

714
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,680
film, the alien weapons are very
similar to a lot of Halo

715
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,960
weapons.
And actually the sniper that

716
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,360
they use at the end of the movie
that has like the giant like

717
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:47,160
rectangular kind of muzzle at
the end of the the barrel looks

718
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,480
a lot like the sniper rifle from
Halo 10.

719
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,880
OK, cool.
Well, so great.

720
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,200
I'm going to say 2 is true.
Number one I'm not entirely sure

721
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,800
about because I remember reading
that the prawns were based on

722
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,160
like some kind of insect in
South Africa, like it they call

723
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,480
them prawn crickets or prawn.
What are those things called?

724
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,840
Not cicadas, but locusts.
And so I don't, I don't know if

725
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,480
like you would present number
one as complete fact and then

726
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,800
change the reference to what a
prawn is.

727
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,200
I don't know if you'd be that
petty, which makes me think #3

728
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,080
might be the falsehood because I
just have no idea about the the

729
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,280
creature design or what they put
into it.

730
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,560
So I'm going to say 3 is the
falsehood, but I'm going to be

731
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,120
really pissed off if you changed
one tiny little detail about

732
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:47,200
number one to make it false.
Bob, you are now seven and three

733
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,520
on the season.
Damn it was it #1.

734
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:51,600
It was #1.
God.

735
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,720
Bless it.
The only part of number one that

736
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:59,120
was true is the absolute first
part that is inspired by Neil

737
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Blomkamp's experience of
apartheid.

738
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:07,000
Nothing about anti apartheid
graffiti, nothing about the term

739
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,960
prawn like like none of the rest
of the fact was true.

740
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,320
So did he not experience
apartheid or what?

741
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,640
He he did, yeah.
He he grew up in the time of

742
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,200
apartheid.
But but the movie's not based on

743
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,200
that.
I'm confused.

744
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,480
What did you make up here?
So the second-half of the fact

745
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,960
was that the movie contains many
references to that time such as

746
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,280
anti apartheid, graffiti and the
use of the term prawns similar

747
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,640
to the Isuzu word for oppressor
which is pronounced Prasanna.

748
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,080
That's all the part you made-up.
The whole thing all.

749
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,440
Right.
I feel like you're stretching it

750
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,480
here man.
Like I by everything.

751
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,760
Making up facts about the movie.
Well, because like, there is

752
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,520
graffiti that is similar, I
would imagine, to what apartheid

753
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,880
graffiti looked like.
And the, I don't know.

754
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,480
I just feel like sometimes
you're like, yeah, I'm going to

755
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,280
make this thing up.
But then it's still actually

756
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,720
there in the movie.
And you're like, well, I wrote

757
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:08,080
it, so it's not real.
I I 100% can guarantee you that

758
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,600
there's nothing.
There is no Isuzu word

759
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,760
pronounced pronzana.
No, OK.

760
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,440
Yeah, that that is 100% Brad G
baby.

761
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,680
I will take that at your word
because you are a master of many

762
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,960
languages so.
I you know me man, I speak like

763
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,920
14 languages.
All right, all right.

764
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,880
So I, I had preemptively filled
in AW for myself on our little

765
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:31,520
sheet here.
I'm going.

766
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,560
To change that to an L No wonder
you lost Pride goeth before a

767
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,040
fall, young Robert it.
Certainly Goeth.

768
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,280
All right, man, let's dive back
into talking about the movie and

769
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,440
I think let's kind of camp out
here, Ha, camp on Neil, Neil

770
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,200
Blomkamp, because Neil Blomkamp,
this was his first feature

771
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,040
length film.
He had gotten the attention of

772
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,600
Peter Jackson with some short
films that he made, and he's

773
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,680
made quite a few movies after
this, but I feel like he kept

774
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,360
trying to recapture the magic of
District 9.

775
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,520
He made a movie right after
this, I don't know, maybe 3 or 4

776
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,400
years later called Elysium with
Matt Damon.

777
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,800
And it had a very similar plot
to District 9.

778
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,000
Like Matt Damon ends up becoming
fused with some sort of

779
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,120
technology and he has to get up
to the ship to try to get it off

780
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,440
of him.
And it's set in like the slums

781
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,960
of South Africa.
And so it's like.

782
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,360
This is this is the same the
same movie.

783
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,400
The same movie then he made-up
with Matt Damon, Then he made a

784
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,520
movie called Chappie, which was
about a robot that got stranded

785
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,480
on Earth in what seems to be the
slums of South Africa and

786
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,240
they're trying to get him to
escape.

787
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,240
So again, the same movie.
And after those two movies were

788
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:46,000
not the financial successes that
they wanted them to be.

789
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,240
He's kind of since become a
journeyman filmmaker.

790
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,960
I watched a movie that he made
last year, which was the big

791
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,080
screen adaptation of the video
game Gran Turismo.

792
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,080
It was not great.
And I'm, I'm really bummed that

793
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,560
Neil Blomkamp has not panned out
the way that I thought he would

794
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,880
after this film because, you
know, yes, he injected so much

795
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,480
of his own personal experience
into this movie.

796
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,920
But it's a bummer when that
doesn't translate to being able

797
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,320
to direct other people's
stories, too.

798
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,720
And I think that's kind of what
we ended up getting with Neil

799
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,600
Blomkamp here.
I, I feel like we're about to do

800
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:26,440
a bonus episode on like top five
one hit wonder directors and I

801
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,640
feel like Blomkamp would fit
into that cause District 9 is

802
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,360
truly a one hit wonder there.
There is all sorts of stuff here

803
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,640
to love.
I, I think to talk about him as

804
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,160
a director.
What was the element of District

805
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,200
9 that made you go OK, like this
Neil Blomkamp guy?

806
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,120
He knows what he's doing.
I think that the the first part

807
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,520
of the movie where they're doing
the documentary found footage

808
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,600
stuff, it felt a little
artificial this time around to

809
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,920
me where like in 2009 it was
like, oh, this is a really

810
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,280
clever way of covering up the
fact that your budget's not

811
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,520
huge.
And I think we've seen that done

812
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,160
so much since then.
Maybe it's unfair for me to read

813
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,320
that back on this movie because
it was one of the first ones to

814
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,160
do that.
But it was like, oh, OK, I see

815
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,200
what you're doing here.
But where it really got me was

816
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,120
in that third act, because they
clearly spent the majority of

817
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,920
the budget on the third act of
this movie.

818
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,960
There's, you know, much more
multi camera setups and coverage

819
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,120
from across, you know, the
battlefield.

820
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,840
And for me, it was this moment
where Vickus gets in that big

821
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,640
mechanical suit, which may or
may not be a reference to the

822
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,600
end of the movie Aliens, where
Sigourney Weaver's, you know,

823
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,600
give her back, you bitch.
And and he's the one of the

824
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,840
worst fight scenes in the
history of cinema.

825
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,960
Well, so he's like running away
from Christopher Johnson.

826
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,440
He's like, just, you can have
the prawn, just let me go.

827
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,240
And then he has his change of
heart.

828
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,080
And the, the shot that he
chooses to frame it in is like,

829
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,200
you see him in the metal suit,
like slow down.

830
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,400
And he kind of bows his head
'cause he's thinking about his

831
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,960
choice.
And you see the alien ship in

832
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,360
the background and it's the only
two things in the shot.

833
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,280
And you see, like, here's the
destination, here's my escape,

834
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,480
here's my hope.
And you watch him have an

835
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,480
emotional transformation, the
inside of a metal suit in the

836
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,600
foreground, and I'm like, OK,
this dude knows what he's doing.

837
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,800
Like, Blomkamp composed that
shot beautifully, and he's able

838
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:30,440
to let these inanimate objects
emote in a way that really gets

839
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,880
the audience invested.
I thought that he really proved

840
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,600
himself in that final act of the
film.

841
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:40,120
Yeah, the, the claustrophobia of
it, like every single time

842
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,240
there's a shot inside of the
suit and you're like shoved up

843
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,640
in his face like it's Iron Man,
like they like it.

844
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,400
It creates this intense heated
pressure of every decision that

845
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,320
Vickus makes throughout the end
of the film.

846
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:02,280
There there's when you pair that
with the continual shaky Cam,

847
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,800
all of the whipping around the
battlefield, the coordinated

848
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,080
movements of the MNU troops
coming in, it just feels like

849
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:17,040
this really cool mix of like a
Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow

850
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,920
experience that as a film goer,
I, I was 100% there for.

851
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,320
I think Edge of Tomorrow is such
a good comparison point.

852
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,120
You know, it, it's a little bit
more fun, it's a little bit more

853
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,920
slick and Hollywood, but I think
it took a lot of the sort of

854
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,680
griminess and the in the dirt
fighting from this movie.

855
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:41,040
I've never really seen it done
in such a visceral way as I saw

856
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,840
in this film the first time I
saw it.

857
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,120
And and I do think that it's a
much more influential film than

858
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,440
it maybe gets credit for today.
You know, it's been what, 15

859
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,800
years since the movie came out?
It's a popular movie that I

860
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,440
think many, many people have
seen, surprisingly popular, but

861
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,560
I don't know if it gets credit
for for influencing the genre.

862
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,360
And it may go back to what we
were talking about at the

863
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,440
beginning, that there's just not
a lot of sci-fi movies made

864
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,000
anymore.
So even if it is influential, we

865
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,800
might not notice it.
Yeah, I I know that the tagline

866
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,880
for this movie was something
along along the lines of like

867
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,960
humans not allowed or there's no
way out.

868
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,400
I feel like it should have been
Aliens have feelings too.

869
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,600
I like it.
I think that would have made it

870
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,080
do so much more business, Brad.
Yeah, and I I feel like it

871
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,520
directly led to a movie like
Shape of Water becoming a thing.

872
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,480
Well, it's on that note.
What if they just made the

873
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,440
poster that photoshopped image
of Vickus, like having like

874
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:48,280
rigorous sex with dude.
That's that's probably the worst

875
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,360
part of the whole movie in terms
of like, oh, this poor guy.

876
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,720
Like the second he goes rogue,
they've got photoshopped images

877
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,520
of him and he's like in that
sandwich shop, Like, can I get a

878
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,000
sandwich?
And then they put that on TV and

879
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,480
everyone's like.
And then he goes to the Nigerian

880
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:12,440
like gang in District 9 and they
somehow have a print magazine

881
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:18,520
that has made its way into the
slums already of a Vickus just

882
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,080
getting it on with some aliens.
It's incredible.

883
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,520
If they have like a
subscription, you know, do they

884
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,120
mail it to you in District 9?
A nice little mailman shows up.

885
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,760
Care of Nigerian warlord.
Can I say one thing, though?

886
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,040
The the one thing about this
movie that surprised me a little

887
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,160
bit.
The whole film is about how

888
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,200
humans are terrible and we treat
essentially, once they realized

889
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,240
that the aliens didn't have
anything to offer them and that

890
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:49,040
they were just poor people,
that's when like humans started

891
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,720
treating them like garbage.
But then the way that they

892
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:58,640
portray the Nigerian gang in
this movie, racist very much.

893
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,440
It's not good, Bob.
Yeah, you're right.

894
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,840
Like Neil Blomkamp is obviously
making an apartheid metaphor

895
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,240
where the aliens are a stand in
for what he witnessed black

896
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,000
people experience in South
Africa.

897
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,440
But then the only actual black
people in the movie are like

898
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:22,040
partakers of voodoo and eating.
And you know, like there's a

899
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,400
there's a shot where they're
like, oh, and of course the

900
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,400
Nigerians started interspecies
prostitution.

901
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,840
And it's like, OK, like was
that?

902
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Necessary.
Yeah.

903
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,320
It felt like a really strange
inclusion in a movie about the

904
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,200
dangers of racism.
I don't know it as the slightly

905
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,240
more conservative person on this
podcast, even I watch that and

906
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:49,240
was like, I don't, I don't know
if this is great.

907
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,600
Yeah, I mean, I don't want to
accuse Neil Blomkamp of having

908
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,440
his own implicit biases, but it
it definitely feels like you're

909
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,480
undermining the point you want
to make here, bro.

910
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,120
Yeah, a little bit, little bit.
But see, that's that's the

911
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,880
paradox, because then what if he
was aware of it and it's like,

912
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,400
well, we can't we can't have the
terrorists be Nigerian.

913
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,880
So then he makes them Middle
Eastern, you know, like it's

914
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,840
still the same problem.
You know what I'm?

915
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,480
Saying sure, yeah.
This is what happens when when

916
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,960
we get along peacefully with the
Russians, Brad.

917
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,160
It used to just be the Russians.
We would make the Russians the

918
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,360
bad guy and everything.
And it worked perfectly for 30

919
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,840
years.
You didn't want the Nigerian

920
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,320
like ganglord to just look at
Vickus and be like I will crush

921
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,520
you.
I wanted a scene like in

922
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,960
Goldeneye where Vickus drives a
tank, like through the Kremlin

923
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,560
or whatever would have worked.
Yeah, exactly.

924
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,160
I would have loved that.
All right, man.

925
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,720
I think we're in a good spot to
get to our final segment of the

926
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,400
day, which we call Let's Make it
a Double presented by Blackwood

927
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,800
Distilling Company.
We're near the end of the

928
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,160
episode, so thanks listening to
the film and Whiskey show.

929
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,760
Let's have another film with
this one, even if it's

930
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,400
struggling.
It's the final segment of the

931
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,880
day.
Now let's make it a double.

932
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,160
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

933
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,000
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

934
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,200
feature.
Earlier today, I'm finishing up

935
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,480
the film and Brad texts me and
says I have the best let's make

936
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,400
it a double.
And I got to say man, it it kind

937
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,120
of distracted me from the end of
the film because I was wondering

938
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:24,040
and so I started taking guesses.
Now my first guess at what

939
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,720
Brad's Let's Make it a Double
was came towards the end of the

940
00:55:27,720 --> 00:55:32,120
film when I said to myself, man,
rough day at the office for

941
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,760
Vickus.
And I thought I was real clever.

942
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,160
And then I thought, Oh my gosh,
what if that was Brad's thought

943
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,760
too?
What if his Let's Make It a

944
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,840
Double is Office Space?
Because I feel like that would

945
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,080
be a fantastic bad Day at the
Office movie.

946
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,920
Absolutely perfect double
feature, Bob.

947
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,960
Like 10 out of 10.
No.

948
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,400
No comments, no recommendations.
And then he said, it's not, it's

949
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,560
not Office space.
So then I'm thinking, OK, maybe

950
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,200
he paired it up with like Hugh
Jackman's real steal because he

951
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,960
gets in this thing at the end of
the movie.

952
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,520
Maybe Brad goes thematic with it
and starts thinking, oh, this is

953
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,560
about an emotionally stunted
male helping an alien find its

954
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,280
way home and becoming more brave
and courageous.

955
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,800
So maybe it's ETI think I'm just
striking out here, Brad, but I

956
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,080
really want to know what you're
let's make it a double is.

957
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:28,360
My Let's Make It A Double
follows a middle-aged man who is

958
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,400
just kind of skating through
life and finally, throughout the

959
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:37,040
film, grabs adventure, grabs
life by the horns and really

960
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,640
takes it for a ride.
Come on.

961
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,360
This is going to be paired with
The Secret Life of Walter Mitty.

962
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,880
I love it.
Tell me that this isn't sci-fi.

963
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:54,120
Action adventure, secret life.
I mean, I guess, man, it's no

964
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:59,560
Office space.
OK, Brad, I, I told you at one

965
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,200
point that I was going to just
do a season where I paired every

966
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,680
single movie with ET.
And I feel like this might

967
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,160
actually be the best chance I
have to pair a movie with ET.

968
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,360
I'm trying to think of of what
would be a good, let's make it a

969
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,080
double.
I spent so much time trying to

970
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,040
guess yours that I didn't
actually come up with one.

971
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,040
Recently.
I saw a movie in the theater

972
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,960
called Nickel Boys, which is
positioned to be a big Oscar

973
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,960
movie.
And throughout that film,

974
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,800
there's reference to a movie
from the 1950s called The

975
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,920
Defiant Ones.
It has Sidney Poitier and Tony

976
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,200
Curtis in it as two escaped
prisoners from a chain gang who

977
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,160
are chained together.
And Tony Curtis's character is

978
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,640
like, super racist.
And they have to figure out how

979
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,320
to a, like, get to where they're
going while chained together.

980
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,800
And you watch them kind of
become friends all the way

981
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,680
through the film as they're
being hunted.

982
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,440
And I think that, like, after I
talked all about the action

983
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,160
movie tropes of this film, I'm
going to pair this up with the

984
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,120
Defiant Ones.
It's a movie that I don't know

985
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,040
if we'll ever get to on the
podcast, so I'm glad to be able

986
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,960
to talk about it here.
Yeah, I that sounds like a

987
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,400
fascinating film, Bob.
I have not heard of it before,

988
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,800
and I've only ever seen Tony
Curtis make out with Marilyn

989
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:13,880
Monroe.
So.

990
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,120
Well, now you can watch him be
in close quarters with Sidney

991
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,200
Poitier.
So they're they're excited.

992
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,520
Brad picks Secret Life of Walter
Mitty.

993
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,160
I picked the Defiant ones and
that is today's Let's Make It a

994
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,120
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Blackwood Distilling Company.

995
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,040
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to pair this with, you can

996
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,640
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997
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,360
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998
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999
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1000
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1001
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,400
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Have you ever seen the clip of

1002
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,920
how I think it was like in
Brazil or somewhere they would

1003
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,960
like insert products into?
Movies.

1004
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:03,120
I sent you these.
It was.

1005
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,240
Yeah, the the Star Wars.
Cervesa.

1006
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,840
What was it called?
I don't remember but but it

1007
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,600
would have the guy singing
really loud too.

1008
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,200
Yes.
Oh my gosh.

1009
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,480
I, I kind of want to do that
with District 9, but just put

1010
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:19,280
like bottles of Blackwood
whiskey all throughout the film.

1011
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,920
Like they crawl down into the
little cargo ship they're going

1012
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,680
to use to escape and there's
just like Blackwood Whiskey just

1013
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,240
hanging out behind like a crate
or something.

1014
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,280
Oh man.
Oh, it's Chris Cervesa Cristal.

1015
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,480
Yes.
If it wasn't a copyright

1016
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,240
infringement, I'd play the clip
right now, Brad.

1017
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:40,200
Yeah, totally.
All right, dude, let's give this

1018
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,960
movie some final scores.
I think that, like, if we're

1019
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,960
talking about this film as an
influential movie, as a good

1020
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,480
alien movie, as a good action
movie, and in terms of like what

1021
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,720
it accomplishes by what sci-fi I
think does best, which is

1022
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,520
getting at real human issues, I
think this movie's like a nine

1023
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,440
out of 10, dude.
I'm I've been waffling back and

1024
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,240
forth between an 8 1/2 and a
nine.

1025
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,840
I kind of want you to go ahead
and go first because you said

1026
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,800
you were at a 7 1/2 and it's
coming up.

1027
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,880
So where are you coming up to?
I, I think I'm going to sit at

1028
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,960
an 8 out of 10 Bob.
Like, I think this movie is

1029
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,560
really effective.
It does what it wants to do

1030
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,200
well.
I don't know if it quite

1031
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,680
transcends that 8 out of 10 mark
where you start getting into

1032
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:30,160
some absolute classics of the
genre at like 8 1/2 to 9 out of

1033
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,760
10.
I I think I would need to see

1034
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,520
this once or twice more to
really gauge my reaction on if

1035
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,480
it's worth that high of a score.
I think that's fair.

1036
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,600
I'm going to give it an 8.5 out
of 10.

1037
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,400
And perhaps the harder question
is, does this deserve to be

1038
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,800
considered a modern classic?
I think if we're just talking

1039
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,600
about like, here's the stack of
movies, should this be included?

1040
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,400
I think there's definitely
better films than this, but as a

1041
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,360
representative of sci-fi, there
are not very many things that

1042
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,080
can go into the Canon from the
21st century.

1043
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,840
I don't know what are you
thinking.

1044
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,480
I mean, another movie we could
have gone with for Let's Make It

1045
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,640
a Double would have been
something like Children of Men.

1046
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:19,520
And I think that if you had
cinematography like that in this

1047
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,400
movie, like I think I could call
it a modern classic.

1048
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:29,840
But overall, there's just too
much generic use of camera and

1049
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,760
it's not bad.
Like it's well done.

1050
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,080
The found footage, the security
Cam footage is great.

1051
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:38,960
All of it is well done.
None of it like advances the

1052
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,840
medium of film in a way that
makes this movie feel heavy and

1053
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:45,840
impactful.
Right?

1054
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,240
Doesn't have the the gravitas
that something like a children

1055
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:52,440
of man would have.
So I I think I'm going to hold

1056
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,480
off on saying that this is a
modern class.

1057
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,200
I think I will, too.
This is one of those

1058
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,760
beneficiaries.
This was the first year that the

1059
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,680
Best picture field expanded back
to 10 after The Dark Knight

1060
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,200
missed the cut in 2008.
And so it gets nominated for

1061
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,880
best picture.
But it's definitely one of those

1062
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,600
movies that's like, Oh yeah,
everybody can agree this is one

1063
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:17,280
of the 10 best films of 2009.
But it's when we're talking

1064
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,200
modern classics, I'm with you.
Children of Men is one of my

1065
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,840
favorite movies of all time.
Like that gets in and then this

1066
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,520
is one of those that branch off
where you say, hey, if you like

1067
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:29,120
Children of Men, check out
District 9 next or check out

1068
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,800
Edge of Tomorrow next.
Because those have those

1069
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,360
dystopian themes, but they don't
have the artistry and I think

1070
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,400
the lasting impact that a movie
like Children of Men had.

1071
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,360
Yeah.
I mean, Bob, this is a year kind

1072
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,440
of stacked for best picture.
Like Hurt Locker wins it all.

1073
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,720
You've got Avatar up in the air,
Blind Side, Inglourious

1074
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:57,840
Basterds, like up is in this,
like this is a stacked year in

1075
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,240
the history of film.
So I'll be I'll be frank with

1076
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,200
you, man.
I don't think this makes the top

1077
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,880
five.
I think this is like a 8-9 or

1078
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,120
ten in that list of 10 films.
Can I give you my hot take

1079
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,080
though?
Oh, I'm ready.

1080
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,480
This.
Is a better movie than The Hurt

1081
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,120
Locker?
Oh, it's not.

1082
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,120
It's like on par with Up in the
Air, and it's probably not as

1083
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:28,480
good as Inglourious Basterds or
even Sharp, but I think it's

1084
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,640
better than The Hurt Locker.
I think you might be right, like

1085
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:38,040
Hurt Locker has certain elements
about it that are better, but

1086
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,280
overall as a film I think this
is way more entertaining than

1087
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,600
The Hurt Locker.
I don't know if the purpose of

1088
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,960
the Hurt Locker was like, let's
send them out dancing, you know,

1089
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,960
But all right, so it is an 8 1/2
for me.

1090
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,320
It's an 8 from Brad for an
average of an 8.25.

1091
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,320
But we want to know what you
think of District 9.

1092
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,440
First of all, is it a modern
classic and is it better than

1093
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,760
the Hurt Locker?
You can find us on all of our

1094
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,280
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1095
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,240
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1096
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,040
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1097
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,520
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1098
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,400
film and Whiskey podcast.
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1099
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,680
conversation, there's there's a
link to our server at the end of

1100
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,320
every single one of our show
notes.

1101
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,160
Next week we are kicking off the
Christmas time season with one

1102
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,440
of my favorite films from last
year, 2023.

1103
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:35,080
It's The Holdovers.
Brad, I cannot freaking wait to

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dive into the Holdovers with
you, man.

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Dude, what a great movie.
Oh, have you seen it already?

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Oh hell yeah.
Let's do it, man.

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I.
I am so excited to go over the

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holdovers with you that like if
there was ever a movie built for

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this podcast, like for a for
this podcast, but B for Paul

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Giamatti, like it was the
holdovers.

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All right, next week we'll see
you for the holdovers, but until

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then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And we'll see you next time.