Cinderella Man (2005) / Bulleit 95 Rye

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In 2005, director Ron Howard and
star Russell Crowe gave the

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world a feel good biopic about a
Depression era boxer.

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In 2025, we try a whiskey that
wants to be your number one with

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a bullet.
That's a good one, dude.

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I.
Like it?

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Thank you so much.
That probably came out around

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2005, right?
I mean, we'll, we'll find out I

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guess, huh?
Yeah, the film is Cinderella,

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man.
The whiskey is Bullet Rye.

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And we'll review them both.
This is the Film and Whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G, the bulldog of
Parma.

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Brad, today we are looking at
the film Cinderella Man and can

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I just say as we set the stage
here, I love this movie so much.

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Brad.
I just freaking love this movie.

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What a great film.
I feel like this is one of those

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movies that got like, lots of
people have seen this movie, no

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one goes to bat for this movie.
Like there is just no cultural

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footprint for this film.
And I don't understand why,

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'cause it's just like to me it's
just one of the best sports

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movies of this century or of any
century.

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Brad Yeah.
And it's weird because I, I'm

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100% with you, but it does have
like a 8.1 on IMDb.

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That's like, that's a really
good score.

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Maybe not quite top 150, but
very close, like top 200 for

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sure.
And yet I don't hear anybody

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ever talk about it.
It it just doesn't do anything.

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And honestly, it's a minute ago
I said what a great film.

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I'm like, I don't know if it's a
great film.

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It's a great flick.
Like this is a great flick, Bob.

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It is so entertaining.
It is so much fun.

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It's got a little bit of
overacting from everybody in the

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kind of way that makes you go
like, yeah, they really liked

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pretending like they were in the
Great Depression.

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That Bruce Mcgillis is just.
Yeah, it's it's the best man.

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It's freaking fantastic dude.
Now, OK, I think as we get into

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talking about Cinderella Man,
first of all folks, welcome into

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film and whiskey.
If this is your first time

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joining us, we talk about
movies, we talk about whiskey.

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This season we've been going
back and re watching all the

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movies from season #1 to try to
get some better quality episodes

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out there into the world.
We're a little over halfway

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through the season.
I am highly enjoying it so far.

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Brad, this has been a lot of
fun.

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I will say, like, I don't know
that our opinion has changed

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about a ton of these movies.
A couple of them we've come up a

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few points or down a few points,
but I think what this proves is

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that we have had impeccable
taste from the very beginning on

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film at whiskey.
Absolutely, man, that that taste

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once given it, it's cemented in
for all time.

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And honestly, dude, just going
back to these movies, we had a

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heck of a season one, man.
What like what a great line up

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of films.
Yeah, I remember trying to like,

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I, I put these into like some
sort of a randomizer 'cause I

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had a list of like what, what
did we start with, like 150

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movies?
Because when we started this

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podcast, ChatGPT was not a
thing, 'cause now, 'cause tell

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me that if you had that exact
same 250 movie list now, you

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wouldn't throw that in and be
like, all right, ChatGPT, we're

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starting a podcast.
What would be the most engaging

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first 32 movies to pick?
No dude, we've been at this from

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the beginning.
I put my blood We used Bob GPT

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to generate this list man and I.
Tried though you just said like

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you use the randomizer.
I did.

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Well, I mean, yes, but I I made
the list and then I said put

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these in random order Internet.
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So I tried to find like a good
varied group of movies for our

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first season just in case.
Like we didn't go any farther

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past that.
And I'm really glad that I did

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stick a movie like Cinderella
Man in here because again, this

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is not like it didn't win best
picture.

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I think it was only nominated
for one or two Oscars.

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But it's a crowd pleasing movie.
And you have to have movies like

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that to break up sometimes the
monotony of us watching like

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these high Oscari movies.
Now, I will say, Brad, you've

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already mentioned that there's
definitely some overacting in

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this movie.
And I think that this movie is

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kind of the victim of that mid
2000s Oscar bait type movie.

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I also kind of wonder, I'm gonna
talk about a movie that I don't

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think you've ever seen before,
but The Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox

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story starring John C Reilly.
Still have not seen it yet I I

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know that it.
It's like it used to be more and

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more relevant as time goes on,
you know?

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It was spoofing movies like Walk
the Line, which also came out in

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O 5.
And I think that now music

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biopics try so hard not to fall
into like we're just remaking

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Dewey Cox, that they're trying
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I kind of feel like this is the
same like sports movies have,

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like they we haven't gotten like
a Dewey Cox spoof movie, but I

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feel like now they don't want to
follow this like paint by

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numbers kind of wrote thing.
And I will say like it doesn't

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hit every beat you expect it to
hit.

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It absolutely does.
But sometimes I don't mind a

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formulaic movie.
Like sometimes it's just nice to

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have a story where you can tell
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and it still makes you feel
incredible and you walk out of

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the theater like floating on
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And this is one of those movies.
And it's also one of those

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movies where you can go to
Wikipedia afterwards read about

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the life of the actual now
what's what's Russell Crowe's

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name?
James J Braddock, the Bulldog of

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Bergen.
You can read about the actual

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James J Braddock.
They pretty much nail it like

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story beat by story beat.
They hit his life pretty well.

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And so to have an inspiring
story that's not just created,

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that is an actual human being
who live like it's nice, it

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feels good, it's inspiring, it's
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You, you get to see things that
you don't really think about on

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a normal day-to-day basis.
So I, I'm, I'm with you, man.

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I I really enjoyed coming back
to Cinderella Man.

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Well, I think that's a great
time for us to segue into our

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first segment of the day, which
we call, Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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taken on the clock, so let's go
ahead and do your take with this

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little segment that we call,
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
show where Brad breaks down the

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plot of the movie that he has
just seen for at least the

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second time this season.
Brad, have you revisited

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Cinderella Man in the interim
between season 1 and now?

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No, like, like you said, I love
this movie.

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I don't think about this movie.
It's not something that comes up

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in my head.
Unless for some reason, we're

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thinking about Renee Zellweger.
And then, naturally.

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Sure.
This movie pops into my.

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Head this This movie exists in
one of those sub genres though

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which is like I should watch
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Every time I see this movie I'm
like I should this should be

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like a a holiday movie or
something like I need to put

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this on once a year and enjoy
the bulldog of Bergen once more.

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I'm trying to think, I don't
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The for Boxing Day every year.
The Bulldog of Bergen for

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boxing.
Day there.

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There you go.
That's perfect.

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All right, Brad, so you get one
minute to break down the plot of

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the film Cinderella Man with
full spoilers.

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Now, folks, this is a movie
based on a true story which

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happened nearly 100 years ago.
The movie is 20 years old.

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So if you don't want the movie
spoiled for you, I mean, go

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watch it and then come back and
listen to the rest of the

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episode.
But we're going full spoilers

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here, Brad, so one minute on the
clock and go.

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Cinderella Man is a film that
follows the story of real life

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boxer James J Braddock, the
Bulldog of Bergen as as we

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mentioned before, as he hits
near the pinnacle of his career

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in the late 20s, has his entire
career derailed by an injury on

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one hand, the Great Depression
on the other, and he finds

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himself trying to scrape
together a living for his

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family.
Working as a longshoreman in the

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docks of New York.
He eventually is given a chance

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at redemption by taking a crap
fight where they just need a a

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warm body to fight a person
who's on his way to the top.

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He ends up beating him, being
reinstated into the the boxing

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ring, fights his way to the top,
defeats Max Baer for the world

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champion and becomes champion of
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I, I know that it would be
anachronistic, but I kind of

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wish, I kind of wish that they
played We Are the Champions at

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the end, because I, I just think
that would have been incredible.

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If Tarantino made this movie, he
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All right, Brad, I I have a lot
of thoughts on the movie.

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Full disclosure Film and Whiskey
Nation.

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Brad and I watched this movie
almost two weeks ago thinking

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that we would get this episode
recorded.

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And so now it just kind of lives
in the memory in like in waves,

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you know what I mean?
Like I'm just getting like vibes

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off this movie.
It's kind of an abstract, like

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our avant-garde reality at this
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Which is kind of nice because
sometimes like your immediate

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reactions could be a little like
overstated.

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And now it's like I've been
living with this movie in my

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head for two weeks.
So whatever's still there must

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really have left an impression.
And I, I think one of the things

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that I did through all the
chaff, yes.

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And, and one of the things I
want to talk about is Ron Howard

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comma filmmaker, which we do
every time we have a Ron Howard

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movie on the podcast.
And I think that it has been a

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career of ups and downs for
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He's not regarded as like an
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And yet I do feel like he he
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about the same types of
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Like he very much lives in the
Clint Eastwood and Steven

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Spielberg realm, where they are
constantly making movies about

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competent men doing their job
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And I think Spielberg and
Eastwood definitely have

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different intentions for what
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America with those types of
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Ron Howard's definitely more on
the Spielberg side of things.

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But I would say even more than
Spielberg, Ron Howard tends to

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focus more on normal, everyday
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Whereas Spielberg will make a
movie about, like, Abraham

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Lincoln.
Right?

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Like, typically Ron Howard's not
that guy.

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Yeah.
And I think that when I went

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back and watched it this time, a
couple things.

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AI think Ron Howard is still a
better film maker than he gets

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credit for.
And BI was really impressed at

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how well they filmically
captured the era.

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Like it didn't feel fake.
And I don't know if it's just

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because we were still shooting
on film in 2005 and not digital,

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but like when a Netflix movie
comes out that's set in the

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1930s now it just looks and
feels like everyone's playing

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dress up.
And this movie felt.

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It looks like an episode of
Bridgerton or something.

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Yeah, dude, everything's just.
Fake and overproduced, it felt

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realistically lived in and grimy
and gritty, and I just really

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appreciated a movie that I
didn't.

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I wasn't thinking about the set
design or anything like that,

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but it was definitely an
achievement in that area.

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Yeah, I mean, for me, I think
about the the courtyard that

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they live in in New Jersey that
like has a West Side Story, rear

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window kind of vibe, but it
feels lived in and real.

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And like the scene where
Zellweger is getting back home

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and the dude is there shutting
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and the little like spat that
they get in where both of them

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are like incredibly desperate.
They're she's trying to keep her

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kids alive.
He's trying to make enough money

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to keep his kids alive.
And they're at direct.

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I, I don't know, there's
something about that scene that

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like the snow and the grime on
the walls and the interaction

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that they have of like both of
these people are in the same

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position and on the same team,
and yet they're opposed to each

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other because of how desperate
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visuals and the the way they
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makes it feel you feel the
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just incredibly well done.
Yeah, for sure.

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movie.
And we just talked about Thomas

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Newman again two weeks ago in
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the same, but there's like just
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difference.
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more of like a Celtic 'cause
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Yep.
And, and I remember a couple

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years before this movie came
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movie called Road to Perdition,
which was Sam Mendes follow up

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to American Beauty.
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set in the 1920s.
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but following the Irish mob.
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similarities in those two
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But I think what the reason I
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is that all of the pieces he's
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set design, the way he's using
the composer creates such an

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effective tone and mood for this
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Where like we will talk about
some of the things in the script

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that are a little hokey or
things they could have tightened

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up.
But he's creating such an

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environment filmically.
I guess that like I, I can

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forgive a lot of what's going on
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performances are really good and
there's just this pervasive tone

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of, you said the best
desperation.

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It's like people are desperate
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Then I found myself so often,
like, on the verge of tears.

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Like, there's so many scenes
that, like, I wasn't a full out

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cry, but it was like getting me
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Because it's just like parents
trying to protect their kids, a

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guy trying to protect his
family, people trying to protect

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their legacy and their
reputation and their scrapping.

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And they're fighting and they
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gonna come from.
And I just think that Ron

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Howard, for his part, does such
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that.
And I, I think part of it is

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like stage of life, like he was
probably in his 30s when he,

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when this movie's going on, late
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be where we're at in our life.
And so I'm watching this movie

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going like, man, what would I do
to keep my kids in the house and

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from having to go stay with, you
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how, how many shifts would I
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The, the scenes where she's
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he's already asleep in the bed
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You're like, it just, it just
reeks of that.

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I, I can't imagine the
difficulties that they are

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facing.
And, and Howard captures it all

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really, really well.
And you're right, I, I think the

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performances do it.
But even when you look at the

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boxing scenes, like the way the
camera moves and follows Russell

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around the ring, I think does an
excellent job of showcasing his

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determination and grit that has
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rather than like found in the
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Yeah.
And well, I spent a lot of this

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movie, I would, I would say I
had to press pause around the

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halfway mark and I came back and
and watch the rest of it later.

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And when I press pause, I was
like, I don't think there's

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enough boxing in this boxing
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Like he's he's barely been in
the rent.

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Dude, I remember.
A few times the.

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First time I saw this movie, I,
I remember being bored by it.

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I like, I, I liked it, but I was
like 15 or 16 and was like,

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yeah, that was kind of boring.
I don't know.

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There wasn't enough like boxing.
Well, and I think, OK, so like

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watching it now, I actually do
think that that's a feature and

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not a bug of the movie.
Like it's not a movie about

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boxing.
Like boxing is a core component

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of the movie and it's a sports
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And I'll talk about why I think
it's such a great sports movie.

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But like you need all that build
up to make those final couple

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fights matter.
And even when they're kind of

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like breezing through some of
those fights, the whole last

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half hour of this movie is the
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Like they put you in the ring
literally for like 30 minutes at

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the end of the movie.
It's incredible.

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It's so well edited, you don't
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you spent there because they've
done such a good job ramping up

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to it.
And I think that that if they

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had front loaded it with the
boxing stuff, it wouldn't have

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worked as well 'cause then it
becomes like $1,000,000 baby,

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right?
Like the reason $1,000,000 baby

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works is because it it like
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And then it's like, here's the
rug pull.

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And now how do we grapple with
the loss of that?

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Don't you mean this one?
Don't you mean the plug pull

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Bob?
The the the stool, the stool

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pull.
Right.

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Yikes, Big old Yikes on
$1,000,000 baby here, Brad.

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But yeah, I I think that the
structure of this movie is done

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pretty well.
I do think before we get into

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the performances, we should
probably talk about like the

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things that didn't work, because
I think that there are some

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things in the film that that
just don't work for me.

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It's mostly script stuff.
But I want to ask you first,

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what was the biggest detractor
for you in the movie?

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I.
It's got to be Renee Zellweger's

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overacting.
Like everybody overacts in this

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movie.
Renee Zellweger has a few

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moments where I'm like, you're
nailing it.

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You're killing it.
The conversation with the

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electrical guy, there's a few
with between her and Russell

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Crowe.
When they're at their darkest

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times, she nails it.
It's when she's like happy and

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excited that I'm like, oh, like
ROM com Renee Zellweger's coming

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through.
And that just doesn't.

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I can't imagine ROM com Renee
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Depression era.
It's just doesn't vibe for me.

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Yeah, it's funny because I think
the scenes where she's actually

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required to have, like, deep,
real emotion, she she does nail.

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Yeah.
Like the scene where she tells

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her kids, like, I've got to go
outside for a minute and she

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just goes and like, weeps like,
oh, it's so good.

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It's so heartbreaking.
My wife has never been through

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what what she had been through
in the Great Depression.

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I've seen my wife take a minute
to go outside and cry.

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Yeah, man.
For real, dude.

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And it's the scene for me, it's
like the very early scene after

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he wins the fight.
And they're trying to establish

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like the husband and wife
rapport in the script.

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And so they're like, let's go
sit outside and, and I'm going

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to be seductive and tell you
what a great man you are and how

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how proud I am of you.
And it's like, I don't need her

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to say all this out loud, to
know that she supports her

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husband and loves him 'cause it
just makes her like a tool of

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the script and a tool of the
plot.

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And to have her, like, cradling
his face 18 times in this movie

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and being like, you're the most
important thing, you're doing so

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much for our family.
It's like, it's just a little

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overkill.
Yeah.

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And I don't really blame her for
that.

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I blame the script for that.
Yeah, and and this is like a

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perfect example of show don't
tell.

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And and even there she could
just look him dead in the eyes,

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give her a full 3 seconds of
looking on him with like

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admiration and love.
And then just a really quiet,

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I'm proud of you kiss him on the
forehead.

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Done.
It works like she, she still

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says the line.
You're still telling some, but

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you get all of that without all
this extra stuff that makes it.

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I think the big problem, Bob, is
that it makes it feel unreal

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because I don't know any couple
that interacts like that in

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private or in public.
Like, it's just kind of a weird

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vibe, which makes it feel like
she's just there to prop him up.

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And I think the rest of the
script does such a great job of

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setting her up as her own
independent, like, strong

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married woman who's pulling wood
off of signs with her children

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to keep them warm in the winter.
Like, she's a strong character,

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but it's moments like that that
make it feel like she's just

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there to prop him up, which,
yeah, she's clearly not, but.

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But she also is.
Based on how the script.

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Got written now The funny thing
is like the most egregious

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example of that is the scene
where she calls him the bulldog

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of Bergen at the end of the
movie because like they build it

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up that she's like, I'm not
coming.

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I'm never going to come watch
you fight, you know, so you know

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she's going to come, right?
But then she like literally begs

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him, don't take this fight.
And then they cut to him being

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like, see you later.
I'm going to go take the fight.

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Like he's getting in a car and
the script does not interrogate

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him at all for this decision.
Like he's just like this stoic,

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like I'm a man, so I have to do
it.

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And he goes and does it, which
is a, a horrible thing to do

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'cause his wife is like, please,
I don't want you to die.

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And he's like, dad, what fellas
got to do what a fella's got to

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do?
So he goes off to fight.

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And then lo and behold, she
shows up in the in the locker

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room right before the fight and
she gives this speech.

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That is the most unrealistic
speech I have ever heard anybody

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give.
And yet because of the heavy

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lifting that they've done
throughout this movie to

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establish the stakes for
everyone involved.

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When she looks at him and starts
choking up and says, you're the

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bulldog of Bergen.
And then she's like, and the

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champion of my heart.
I'm like, I hate that line.

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And I'm still crying like I'm
I'm 100% bought in on this.

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Do you?
Do you want to know why, Bob?

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Because you want to be the
champion of a woman's heart,

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that's why.
Specifically, 1930s New Jersey

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Renee Zellweger.
That's that's the ideal.

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Yo Bob Book.
That bulldog of I love how every

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time we go dog gets more and
more like mob boss Duh bulldog

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of burg.
It's like it's almost turning

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into duh, bears.
Like, duh, bears.

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Well, you're saying earlier that
he gets in the cab.

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I'm like, I wish that instead of
getting in the cab to go there,

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he gets in the cab.
It fades and then it's like 20

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years later and him and her
sitting in a car and he's he's

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looking at, he goes, I could
have been a contender.

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And seen.
Yeah, maybe that's the SNL

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version, who knows.
Let's talk performances real

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quick before we go to break,
Brad.

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So I do think top to bottom, the
performances are pretty good and

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like the the issues that I have
with them are all script

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related, dialogue related,
right?

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So, you know, Russell Crowe's
doing his version of a New

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Jersey guy and Renee Zellweger's
doing her version of a New

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Jersey gal.
The only person that seems like

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they actually feel like lived in
is Paul Giamatti.

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Giamatti does get an Oscar
nomination for this movie.

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I, I, it may have been the
movie's only Oscar nomination.

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If not, it was like one of two.
It's totally deserved.

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And he's coming off of Sideways,
which was his big breakout

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starring role.
He's kind of like riding high.

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We'll talk a bit about how this
movie's Oscar chances got

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torpedoed by Russell Crowe.
But Giamatti even revisiting

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this, it's like, This is why The
Holdovers is such a perfect.

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Like, you can only get Paul
Giamatti for that because I've

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already seen him do this
tightrope walk of comedy,

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tragedy, outsized figure who is
using his, you know, braggadocio

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as a way of covering for some
real insecurity.

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And I just think he absolutely
ties the whole movie together.

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Dude, when When he invites Renee
Zellweger into their apartment

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and it's just completely barren.
Like it, it kind of reminds me

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of charade when when Audrey
Hepburn gets into her apartment

442
00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,160
and it's all gone and she's
like, what the heck happened

443
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,920
here?
And and Renee walks in and just

444
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,440
his matter of factness about
like, well, I was trying to hide

445
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,880
it, but here we are.
Would you like some tea?

446
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:15,160
And you're just like, I freaking
love Paul Giamatti in this when

447
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,320
he when he freaks out over
Russell Crowe eating on an empty

448
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,480
stomach.
Which, by the way, the sound

449
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,800
effect, Russell Crowe's empty
stomach is the most overproduced

450
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,000
sound effect in Hollywood
history, and I love it.

451
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,560
And his reaction is just like,
what in the hell was that?

452
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,040
Which, honestly, if I heard that
sound coming out of a man's

453
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,160
stomach, I would freak out, man.
Just like, oh, this man has

454
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,480
dysentery on the Oregon Trail.
Like rough.

455
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720
But dude, I I'm going to go back
to Russell Crowe for a second.

456
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,320
I actually really liked Russell
Crowe in this.

457
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800
I think he's like too.
I think this is one of his

458
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,320
better performances a because
somehow he had to have like tape

459
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,800
behind his ears to make them
like more Irish looking and that

460
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,160
had to be annoying and he still
just nails it and.

461
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,840
B That might have been the most
racist thing you've said in the

462
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,840
history of our podcast.
I I don't know what to is that a

463
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,680
fact or you just guessing that
that's what Irish ears look

464
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,800
like?
I I'm Irish, it's OK.

465
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:24,040
Brad, please answer my question.
The other element of Crow's

466
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:30,200
performance is so we'll use the
the word of the day is desperate

467
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,920
and that like it's the moment
that he is looking at the at the

468
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,880
bowl of hash, like bouncing,
like I got a freaking heat and

469
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,120
he just shoves his face in and
starts eating.

470
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:45,240
It's incredible.
Like I feel every ounce of

471
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,120
desperation he has in his soul
in that moment.

472
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:52,600
I I think Crow is just really,
really good in this movie.

473
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,960
I don't I don't care if the
accent is not like accurate to

474
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,120
New Jersey, like he's he's
trying something.

475
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:03,160
Whatever set that aside.
I think he's better in this

476
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,040
movie than he is in Gladiator,
which won him an Oscar.

477
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,120
And he's he's doing the like
stoic man fighting in the ring

478
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:12,080
for people's enjoyment thing
again here.

479
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,160
But Gladiator that is not a real
person.

480
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Like, that's a man who is
consumed by revenge and shows no

481
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,520
emotion.
And here he's a man who is like

482
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,720
overcome with emotion all the
time and has to be made low and

483
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,800
reduced to nothing repeatedly.
Like when he has when he goes to

484
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,600
the boxing Commission with his
hat in his hand to like get

485
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,720
changed from them.
It's it might be my favorite

486
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,000
moment of both him and Giamatti
in the movie because he's he's

487
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320
like crying.
He's like choking back a SOB.

488
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,240
And Giamatti does that voice
crack when he's like, what in

489
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,960
the hell do you have to be sorry
about?

490
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,600
And it's just like it.
It's to watch a person get

491
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,600
embarrassed like that and to
understand that, like, this is

492
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,320
not a unique situation to him.
This is what it was like in the

493
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Great Depression for everybody.
And that's why everybody liked

494
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,280
this guy, because he had to go
through exactly what we've all

495
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,880
been through.
I think Crow captures that

496
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,920
perfectly, dude.
It might be my favorite

497
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,800
performance of his, honestly.
And it's what makes it's moments

498
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,720
like that that take him paying
back his money to the government

499
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:26,280
not feel cheesy like the to to
know the depths of embarrassment

500
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,680
that he goes through to do the
things that he has to do to take

501
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,400
care of his family.
Also like talk about schmucks

502
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,520
that Paul Giamatti has to cover
the rest like this room full of

503
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,040
millionaires and he goes up and
GMI is like how much you

504
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,200
missing?
And he's like, I still I'm still

505
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,160
missing like $19.00.
What?

506
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,120
You know what, though, I do
think that him getting his

507
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360
license revoked is a really
important plot point.

508
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,600
And it's not just like piling on
like, oh, this poor guy.

509
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,040
Like they don't like him because
they think that he was throwing

510
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,440
fights and that he's like a
washed up schmuck to your point.

511
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,400
And so like, they're not
incentivized even when he's down

512
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,280
on his luck, they're like, I'm
pissed off at you because you

513
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,440
have like sullied the name of
our sport.

514
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,360
And I think that like having
that extra bit of I not only

515
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,800
have to financially get my
family back, but I have to fight

516
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,320
my way back into the good graces
of the sport that I love it.

517
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,640
I think it adds A component to
the movie and it doesn't make it

518
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,920
so like cheesy Oscar Beatty.
It actually has a driving kind

519
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,960
of like mechanism to the plot.
Yeah, Now I know that we talked

520
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,680
about our gripes earlier, Bob,
but I was just curious how you

521
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,200
feel about his friend on the
docks that that helps him out

522
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,560
from time to time.
They they go to church together.

523
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,160
How how you feeling about him?
Sure.

524
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,720
I think the character of Mike,
first of all, I, I, I am

525
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,000
assuming Mike was not a real
person.

526
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120
And then this is like a
composite character that they

527
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,640
put, you know, he's a plot
device character.

528
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,400
It's, it's very much like
there's multiple things I hate

529
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,800
about Mike.
And like, I think the first part

530
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,160
that I hate about him is they
make him like the Forrest Gump

531
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:21,520
character in that, like, Mike
being in Jim Braddock's life

532
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,320
means that Jim Braddock will
encounter all these famous

533
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,520
historical things that we
learned about in high school

534
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,680
shanty.
Towns, OH.

535
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,000
They call it the Hooverville,
the Hooverville.

536
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,320
I guess I have to go to the
Hooverville now and we're all.

537
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,640
The Hoover it's.
Like the Leonardo DiCaprio, like

538
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,080
wow, the Hooverville.
Beyond that, I think that like

539
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,760
if you look historically, pre
World War 2, like the idea of

540
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,640
socialism and communism in
America was it, it had more of a

541
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,120
hold on people than I think
sometimes we give credit to.

542
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,720
It was a small minority of
people, but it was like a

543
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,560
growing political party in
America, especially during the

544
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Depression when people were
super desperate.

545
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,080
And so they give Mike this like
he's kind of like hinting at

546
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,640
communism, but they won't go all
the way.

547
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,920
And they just kind of say like,
we need to organize, we need to

548
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:20,720
unionize and they make Jim
Braddock be like, no, like FD Rs

549
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,160
got us and, and Mike's like
screw FDR organize, you know,

550
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,960
like take the means of
production and all this kind of

551
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760
stuff.
And, and I what I hate about it

552
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,920
is like, I don't even care if
the movie wants to say communism

553
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,040
is not the way and we believe in
traditional American values.

554
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,960
It's that like, they never
actually give the time to like,

555
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,360
meeting Mike at what he's trying
to say and telling us why it's

556
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,120
bad.
And if you're not going to do

557
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,440
that, then you're just setting
up this weird straw man of like,

558
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,480
communism bad, America good.
And like, it just becomes Rocky

559
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,480
4 at that point.
And it's not as fun as Rocky 4,

560
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,920
you know, No.
Dude, Rocky 4, if nothing else,

561
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:11,360
is a very fun movie.
Which which engages with

562
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,240
communism at a deeper level than
Cinderella Man does.

563
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,680
It does.
And honestly, I I feel like a

564
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,880
lot of movies from the mid 2000s
struggled with this, where the

565
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,960
movie itself has nothing to do
with the political worlds of

566
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,480
2005, let's say, and yet it
feels the need to comment on it.

567
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,640
So it brings in these politics
and you're like Batman.

568
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,280
The Dark Knight doesn't need a
surveillance subplot in it.

569
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,960
This does not need a anti
communist subplot in it.

570
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,720
It just feels like a lot of
movies around this time are

571
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,520
great and then they have 1
little squeaky wheel that was

572
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,680
like maybe just should have been
cut in pre production and yet it

573
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320
made it in and they filmed a few
scenes and they're like well

574
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,160
we're not going to cut this this
guy out completely.

575
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,320
So we're just giving me a few
things.

576
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Part of me is like, if you only
had the scene with Mike, the

577
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,840
only scene with him was the one
at the church, and you don't

578
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,120
even know who he is.
He's just a random guy that

579
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,280
Russell Crowe tries to, like,
keep from hitting his wife in

580
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,400
public.
That's all you need to know

581
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560
'cause it's telling you about
Russell Crowe's character.

582
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,720
You don't need to know anything
about him.

583
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,760
So I'm like, I, I think they
could have used him well, but as

584
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,360
it is, he's in the movie too
much.

585
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,640
And in one scene he's, you know,
maybe going to hit his wife and

586
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,080
you get to learn more about
Russell.

587
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,440
In another scene, he's Communist
Mike.

588
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,760
And then in the other scene,
he's his buddy at the bar who's

589
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,040
like, hey, everybody, shut up.
This is my boy.

590
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,520
He's on the radio.
Well, that's the thing too is

591
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,360
like they give him way too much
screen time to not engage with

592
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,040
any of his ideas.
And so the way that they say

593
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,360
ideas bad are like, we're going
to also make him a wife beater.

594
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,640
And so you know that communism
is bad because the communist in

595
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,720
the movie beats his wife and
and.

596
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,680
He and he dies and.
Dies.

597
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,639
It's it's like the the scene in
Mean Girls.

598
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,480
If you have sex, you will get
chlamydia and you will die.

599
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,440
If you support the Communist
Party, you will get.

600
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,440
B, You will get trampled by a
horse in Central Park and you

601
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,440
will die.
And on that note, Brad, it's

602
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,400
time to drink some rye whiskey.
Let's go.

603
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,360
Try this Bullet Rye, man.
What do you say?

604
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:34,400
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

605
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,360
checking out Bullet 95 Rye,
perhaps the most confusingly

606
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,159
named of all whiskey names.
Brad.

607
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:47,480
It's not like a super
complicated finished in this age

608
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,560
double twice in this thing.
It's just Bullet 95 Rye, but

609
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,880
it's called 95 rye because it's
the 95.5 mash bill that MGP

610
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,640
popularized.
But it's not 95 proof, it's only

611
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040
90 proof.
It's a 90 proof whiskey that's

612
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,640
called 95 rye and that really
pisses me off.

613
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,800
Why can't you just do it at 95
proof and then it makes way more

614
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,680
sense?
Yeah, yeah.

615
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:19,320
Do it at 95 proof or like if any
whiskey ever has a number in the

616
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,080
name, it's the proof across the
board.

617
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,200
This is the only one I've ever
seen that doesn't do that, so

618
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,680
that.
Would be like having like Rebel

619
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,600
100, but the 100 refers to the
fact that it's 100% corn and

620
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,560
it's only 80 proof.
You know what I mean like it

621
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,520
just doesn't make any sense Yep
aside from that, listen, I do we

622
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,680
care that this is an MGP product
or originated as an MGP product.

623
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,720
We do not.
And Brad, you know, I don't want

624
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,880
to immediately jump into the the
nosing on this, but Bullet has

625
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,640
become a major player in
American whiskey.

626
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,360
I'm sure most people here have
tried either Bullet Bourbon or

627
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,360
Bullet Rye at some point.
So we're not going to give a ton

628
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,160
of background on the company
itself.

629
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:09,160
But I just took my first nosing
of this Brad, and it felt so

630
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
familiar to me.
And I think it's because in the

631
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,600
early days of the podcast, when
we hadn't tried much rye, most

632
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,360
of the brands that we were
trying, unbeknownst to us at the

633
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,920
time, we're sourcing MGP rye.
And so I smell this now and I'm

634
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,880
like, oh man, this is what rye
smells like, 'cause this is how

635
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,720
I got trained on drinking rye.
So like, I'm gonna give some

636
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:35,360
very familiar nosing and tasting
notes probably on this rye.

637
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,240
But it's because like, this is
how I learned what rye smelled

638
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,960
and tasted like.
Yeah, absolutely there.

639
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,960
There is a lot going on here
that feels like everything we

640
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,880
had growing up in our in our
journey with whiskey.

641
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,840
And I will say I'm going to
spoil a little bit where I'm

642
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,400
going with this.
I don't know if I enjoy it

643
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,200
anymore, Bob.
Oh, interesting.

644
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,880
All right.
Well, Brad, on that note, let's

645
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,680
just go ahead and dive right in.
I'll let you.

646
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,240
You've already come in with a
hot take, so I'll let you keep

647
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,040
going with your nosing notes
here.

648
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,320
Yeah, I mean, this is a mint
bomb.

649
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,640
Like it.
This is maybe the mintiest thing

650
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,400
I have ever smelt in tasting
whiskey there.

651
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:26,120
There is so much just like
overpowering toothpasty vibe

652
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,000
going on here that I don't have
any other notes on the nose I

653
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,720
like.
This is mint toothpaste through

654
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:37,280
and through.
Yeah, I think for me it's, it

655
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,400
smells a little bit young, like
I almost get a yeastiness to it

656
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,240
that I wasn't expecting.
It's definitely covered up by

657
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,960
all that dill and mint for me.
I do get almost a little bit of

658
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,680
like a like pine needles on this
it, it tips a little bit more,

659
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,440
even more herbaceous than just
saying mints.

660
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Like it's it's almost like
woodsy.

661
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,840
I like it a lot, but I do think
that like some of those stronger

662
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,560
notes we associate with a potent
rye are kind of covering up for

663
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,600
the fact that this might be a
younger whiskey.

664
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,600
I'm going to give it a 7 out of
10 just because I like the scent

665
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,000
here.
Yeah, I, I give it a 6 1/2 out

666
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,920
of 10.
It's not like horrific or

667
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,520
anything.
It's just very overpoweringly

668
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,680
minty for me.
On the palate, it is.

669
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,800
This is where the youth comes
through.

670
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:27,000
Bob This tastes like a very,
very young rye.

671
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,880
It's very effervescent.
It kind of disappears somewhat

672
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,360
quickly.
The a lot of the dill and mint

673
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,440
toothpaste kind of stick around.
I don't really get a lot of

674
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,080
other notes on this.
Bob It's very minty.

675
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,360
The rye spice kind of comes
through, but not enough for me

676
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,560
to get excited about it.
Man, I, I turned on this pretty

677
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,240
quickly.
This is a non age stated

678
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:51,960
product.
So I mean, we're supposedly we

679
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,800
know what the age of the
youngest in the blend here is.

680
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,800
This doesn't even drink like
that, Brad.

681
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,320
This drinks like 2 year, one
year whiskey like it is very,

682
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,200
very youthful, super grainy.
I'm not I'm not enjoying this

683
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,440
man.
I'm just going to give it a 5

684
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,920
out of 10 on the pallet here.
Yeah, I I gave it a 5 1/2 on the

685
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,720
pallet.
I am not enjoying this.

686
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:19,560
The finish is like the same.
It gets a little bit ashy near

687
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,720
the end.
I think the youth starts to

688
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:25,640
overpower everything else.
I'm going to drop down to a 5

689
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,320
out of 10 on the finish.
I think the finish comes back up

690
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,520
a bit, the youthfulness
dissipates a bit.

691
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,400
I am left with a nice sweet note
here which I would expect from

692
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,240
like a $20 rye like the finish
on this if I could just remove

693
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,880
it from the rest of the drinking
experience.

694
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,520
It's right in line with like
this is a $2025 rye.

695
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,680
So I'm I'm not going to Ding it
based on the what I disliked

696
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,320
before.
I'll come back up to A7 out of

697
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,760
10 on the finisher.
I think balance wise I'll I'll

698
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,680
give it a six out of 10.
I like they know what they're

699
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,400
doing.
This is a consistent flavour

700
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,760
experience throughout.
I don't enjoy it enough to give

701
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,480
it a good balance score, but you
know, it is what it is.

702
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,280
Yeah, I'll give it a six as well
here, Brad and I will say we

703
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,960
were just at Bullet a a few
months ago and they did

704
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,280
something really cool for us.
They drilled into a barrel and

705
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,520
they let us drink out of the
barrel.

706
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,400
I believe that was a rye that
they've been aging on premise

707
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,480
and we came home with little
samples of that.

708
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,840
It's, you know, obviously it's
not being sold yet so we're not

709
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,080
reviewing it, but I like a lot
of what Bullet produces.

710
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,080
I like Bullet bourbon.
I think that they're well aged

711
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,480
rye.
They've got a 10 year rye.

712
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,960
Yep, really good stuff.
Yes, this particular product is

713
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,880
not doing it for me, Brad.
And when I look at MSRPI, think

714
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,280
now this is from back in like 21
or 22, I'm I'm seeing a $40

715
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,080
MSRPI.
Don't think it's quite that

716
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:53,080
expensive anymore.
It is 20. $8 State of Ohio 28.

717
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,440
OK, that's way better.
Yeah, I still think you can get

718
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,040
better Ryze than this.
You know, you could get an old

719
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,360
Overholt, the 86 or the 100
proof.

720
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,840
You could get the Sazerac rye or
the 100 proof rye of Sazerac for

721
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,160
around the same price.
So when you look at it against

722
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,200
it's competitors, it Dings the
value for me.

723
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,320
I don't think it's overpriced
like it's a fairly priced

724
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,600
product.
It's just not the best in it's

725
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,880
class.
So I'm just gonna give it a six

726
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,200
out of 10 on value.
Yeah, I everything you said is

727
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,680
accurate.
You can get.

728
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,080
Other really good rise for right
at or a lower price, so I'm

729
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,920
going to give it a 5 out of 10
on value.

730
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,640
Oof.
Yeah, that's taking me to just a

731
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,560
31 out of 50.
Brad, where are you falling on

732
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,800
this one?
I'm sitting at a 28 out of 50.

733
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,720
Yikes, that's your lowest score
in a while, man.

734
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,760
Yeah, I've, we've drank a lot of
good whiskey, man.

735
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,760
Even considering like, you know,
season 1, we're going back and

736
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,640
doing a bunch of old whiskies.
I've overall enjoyed a lot of

737
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,280
the whiskeys we've drank this
season.

738
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Bullet 95 isn't quite doing it
for me.

739
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,920
Yeah, we're coming out to just a
59 out of 100 on this one or a

740
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,560
29.5 out of 50 for reference.
A 35 is where we typically start

741
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,360
giving our like soft or or Hardy
even recommendation.

742
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,280
A-40 is a no brainer.
So this is not approaching that

743
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,600
for me.
I would not recommend this one.

744
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,280
I think if you really want to
try a pour of it at the bar for

745
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,680
5 bucks, 6 bucks you can.
But even at this price point, I

746
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,040
just don't think there's really
anything here to write home

747
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,800
about Brad.
No, no, go buy.

748
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,240
Go buy yourself some of the
Sazerac 100 and I think you'll

749
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,920
have a good time.
All right, man.

750
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,160
Well, let's get back to talking
about a movie that fared a lot

751
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,520
better in our minds than this
whiskey did in Cinderella.

752
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,680
Man, what do you say the.
Bulldog of Birkin.

753
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:54,200
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody, That was

754
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Bullet 95 Rye, A not good
whiskey.

755
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,560
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

756
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,760
We like Bullet.
We just don't like that

757
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,440
particular expression.
Yeah, I know Bullet puts out a

758
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,480
lot of great product.
I I've I think I've realized

759
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Bob, I love rye so much that I I
am more picky when it comes to

760
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,280
rye.
Like there there's even some

761
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,480
like nicer and Ryze that I'm
like I've I I feel like I'm a

762
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,680
little more sensitive to what I
really enjoy.

763
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,000
And so something on this end,
I'm kind of.

764
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,440
Yeah.
And we kind of said this in our

765
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,840
review, too, but it's like, I
don't know if it's just that

766
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,880
like, I had rye mapped out for
me by the early ryes we drank.

767
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,440
And so my, my, like, wheelhouse
of what I consider good is much

768
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,680
narrower than it is with
bourbon.

769
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,280
Yeah.
So maybe it's me 100%.

770
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,720
It probably is you, Bob.
I'm just.

771
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,800
Slow.
On that note, Brad, I'm going to

772
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,680
see if I can redeem myself when
it comes to our game for the

773
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,800
day. 2 facts and a falsehood,
Brad.

774
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Is going to try to stump you
Bob.

775
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,800
And what is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

776
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,360
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

777
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,160
with three items as fact about
the making of this movie, one of

778
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,840
which is a complete lie.
Brad, I am doing just incredibly

779
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,920
poorly.
This I like I've it's got to be

780
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,760
like a 2 to one loss to win
ratio for me right now.

781
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,320
Yeah, it's hard.
The the reason we don't know

782
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,840
peek behind the curtain.
We've filmed this season over

783
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,360
quite a stretch of time, out of
order, and so we don't actually

784
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,960
know what the record is.
We will tally it up by the end

785
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,160
of the year.
I would probably vibe with you,

786
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,560
Bob, just as we are vibing on
this movie.

787
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,040
I think I would vibe with you
and say I think I might be

788
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,680
winning.
Yeah, you have really hit your

789
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,240
stride this season, man, with
your lying.

790
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,280
You've gotten so much better at
lying, Brad.

791
00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,160
I'm clear for your family.
That's all I'm saying.

792
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,560
I'm.
Bob, I don't know what you're

793
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:58,880
talking about.
I'm a terrible liar.

794
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,240
Not good at it at all.
Hit me with your two facts and a

795
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:06,880
falsehood, my friend.
All right fact #1 The prop money

796
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,680
that is used when Braddock is
counting out their last few

797
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,240
dollars is not actually from the
early 1930's.

798
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,040
The design of the dollar bill
used in the film is from a later

799
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,680
period as it was changed in
1938.

800
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,600
Under Secretary of the Treasury
Henry Morgenthau.

801
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,640
June fact #2 Max Baer, whose
paternal grandfather was Jewish,

802
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,640
boxed with a Star of David David
embroidered on his trunks, which

803
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,160
is visible on Baer's red trunks
throughout his fight with Jimmy

804
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,640
Braddock in the final fight
scene.

805
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Faction #3 Art Binkowski The
Box, a boxer in real life who

806
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,240
played the role of Corn Griffin,
didn't want to be knocked down

807
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,160
during the Corn Griffin versus
Jimmy Braddock fight scene.

808
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,160
He'd never fallen in a real
fight, and he didn't want his

809
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,600
opponents to think it was either
even remotely a possibility.

810
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,640
I love that.
Do you know, you know what's

811
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,400
really funny is the Korn Griffin
guy.

812
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,320
I when I was watching the movie,
I pulled up his IMDb because I

813
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,160
was like, I couldn't tell if he
looked familiar.

814
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,760
He just looked like a boxer.
I was like, that dude is perfect

815
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,480
casting and I don't because it's
been like 2 weeks now.

816
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,520
He'd only made one other movie
and he played a boxer in that

817
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,520
movie too.
So it was like the range on this

818
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,400
guy, Art, Art Binkowski,
Binkowski, Binkowski.

819
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,560
He probably.
Grew up just for.

820
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,800
The sake of being able to talk
about art, I'm going to say that

821
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,720
number 3 is true.
OK.

822
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,440
And I think #2 is true too.
If it's not true, then you did a

823
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,280
darn good job of creating a a
very innocuous sounding fact.

824
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,840
So I'm pretty quickly, I'm just
going to circle #1 I don't have

825
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,480
any reasoning for that.
I think that they all sounded

826
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,840
pretty plausible today, Brad.
So my chances are, you know, 33%

827
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,480
here.
We're going to go number one.

828
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,320
I'm going to lock it in.
Who the hell cares?

829
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,520
Final answer.
Bob, 33% of the time you're

830
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,400
right every time.
Did I get a?

831
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,760
Job, you got it all right.
Oh.

832
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Man, all right.
Are you ready for a second game,

833
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:14,960
Bob?
Sure.

834
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,120
This is a surprise.
This is a surprise second game,

835
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,240
OK.
All right, Bob, I want you to, I

836
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:21,680
want you to get into your
imagination.

837
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,240
I want you to think you're a
world class boxer and you're

838
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,400
you've trained, you're getting
ready, you are coming up and

839
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,080
coming.
You're ready for the big fight.

840
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,320
You're going to be the world
champion of the world.

841
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,920
What supporting actor do you
want in your corner?

842
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,600
Go, I mean, I've seen Paul
Giamatti like you've, it's got

843
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,960
to be Paul Giamatti.
But if he's off the table, what

844
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,880
supporting?
What about?

845
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,440
A A Meredith Burgess.
Nah, I don't want him.

846
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,280
Morgan Freeman.
Clint Eastwood.

847
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,960
You know, I wouldn't want Morgan
Freeman.

848
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,040
I might want Samuel L Jackson.
Like I want a guy in my corner

849
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,240
who's just cussing out the other
guy.

850
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,120
Like I need a hype man and a
trainer.

851
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,400
So hear me out.
Samuel is a great choice.

852
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,880
Joe Pesci, a tiny.
A tiny man.

853
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,280
We've seen that in Raging Bull.
That did not end well for either

854
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,760
of them.
I, I, I personally would think I

855
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,680
would pick Joe Pesci because
like Samuel Jackson cussing you

856
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,880
out is terrifying.
Joe Pesci cussing you out, you

857
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,640
think he will actually murder
you?

858
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Like I I would be terrified if
he was cussing me out, which is

859
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,640
why I want him in my corner as a
boxer.

860
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,640
Now this is at least the 5th
boxing movie we've done on the

861
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,600
podcast.
So to your point, let me turn

862
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,960
this back around on you.
Yeah, of the of the five that I

863
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,040
can think of, I guess I'm not
going to count on the Waterfront

864
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,480
because he doesn't actually box
in that movie.

865
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,200
Yeah, we've done this.
We've done Creed, we've done

866
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,200
Rocky 4, we've done Raging Bull.
We've done $1,000,000, baby.

867
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,680
I can't think of any others off
the top of my head.

868
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,680
Have we done the original Rocky?
No, not yet, Bob, what have?

869
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,960
We been doing, we got to do it
soon.

870
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,960
Is this a film podcast?
What are we?

871
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,720
What's?
Well, Rocky 4 is the most

872
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:13,560
important of the bunch as we
know Brad.

873
00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:16,560
That is a given.
Of course he has a beard.

874
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,240
Who is the best like sidekick
trainer among the five?

875
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,880
Oh man, there's something about
Clint Eastwood, $1,000,000 baby.

876
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,720
I'm a big fan of he he he's
he's, he's gruff and does what

877
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,760
it takes to get get her done,
man.

878
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:42,080
The thing is, we don't really
see Giamatti train him at all.

879
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,520
Like, you know, that's true.
He seems more like a media guy.

880
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,880
Honestly, I'm a promoter.
Yeah, yeah.

881
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,560
He's more of a promoter.
I think I'd probably go with

882
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,800
Barrett.
Yeah, well, no, we didn't say

883
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,920
Rocky.
Who trains him in Rocky 4?

884
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,360
I think he I think he is trained
by his own beard in that movie.

885
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,680
Like he just trains himself and
then and then Adrian shows up in

886
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,760
the corner at one point, right?
I would say it's either that or

887
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,920
does his his brother-in-law
who's like having sex with a

888
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,240
robot.
Is he?

889
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,320
Oh yeah, train him.
Polly's gotta be.

890
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,440
Maybe it was the robot.
I don't want to know what kind

891
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,320
of working out they're doing.
I think with those five options,

892
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,800
I am locking in Clint Eastwood
as my trainer.

893
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,520
There you go all right, I'll
take it man Brad real quick.

894
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,160
You know, we don't have to say
too much more about this movie

895
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:37,920
aside from like, I I think it's
a great oscari Oscar bait movie.

896
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,040
Like, sure, I wish that the
Oscar bait movies made today

897
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,320
felt like these ones did because
these were just very much like a

898
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,960
throwback to classic Hollywood
by the numbers.

899
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,160
But I felt awesome walking out
of the theater.

900
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,120
I wanna talk about this as a
sports movie and why I think

901
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:59,200
it's one of the best ones.
And it's because watching this

902
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:07,000
movie, you really get a sense of
why sports are a metaphor for

903
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,000
like, the struggle of life and
why when a good sports story

904
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,320
happens, we latch onto it.
I think it's just like, it

905
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,760
perfectly exemplifies why people
feel the need to put their hopes

906
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,960
and dreams on somebody else when
they're going through a

907
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,520
struggle.
You know, when when Jim is in

908
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,920
the back of that car pulling
into the the Madison Square

909
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,640
Garden bowl at the end of the
movie and then recognize him and

910
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,920
they're cheering for him.
And then as he starts fighting

911
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Max Baer, how quickly the crowd
turns in his favor and how badly

912
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,360
everybody wants this for him.
It's, you know, obviously they

913
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,240
want Jim to succeed.
And someone says it all.

914
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,760
I think the priest says it at
one point, like they they see

915
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,360
themselves in him.
It's made very explicit.

916
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,600
It's not a subtle movie.
And yet it's it's so perfectly

917
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:05,440
encapsulates why sports matter.
And I couldn't help thinking

918
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:11,840
about the 2016 NBA Finals.
And I like, I tell people all

919
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,800
the time, like it.
It is the stupidest thing that I

920
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,040
say, and it's the most sincere.
It was maybe the happiest day of

921
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,120
my entire life when we won that
championship.

922
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,360
And like, people, you know,
people are like, oh, the birth

923
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,560
of your children.
And I'm like, listen, I love my

924
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,440
children more than I love that
championship.

925
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,520
The instant gratification of
winning a championship is

926
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,320
probably the happiest I've ever
felt in one moment of life,

927
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,000
like.
And it's because I spent that

928
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,040
whole day before game seven of
that finals where the city of

929
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,440
Cleveland, which had a long
standing history of getting

930
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,360
super close and losing and being
shat on by the country, was

931
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,920
right back in that position
again.

932
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,200
And it was still the closest
we'd ever gotten.

933
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,280
And I drove around the city of
Akron, OH, where LeBron James is

934
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,040
from, and there were signs out
in front of churches that were

935
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,720
like, we're all in this
together, win or lose.

936
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,840
I drove by Lebron's high School,
and they had a viewing party

937
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,480
there, and there was a liner on
the block.

938
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,240
And I just drove past and honked
at people that I don't know.

939
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,200
We were all cheering.
And like, I got to go spend that

940
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,880
game with my dad on Father's
Day.

941
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,000
And we won a championship for
the first time since I've been

942
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,600
alive.
And he was a child and it was

943
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:32,880
like it was so immediately like
validating as a person who lived

944
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,480
in Cleveland that like we matter
again on the national stage.

945
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:40,720
And it's so silly if you come
from like, like if you're like a

946
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,360
Yankees fan and you're used to
winning, you don't understand

947
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,760
this.
Like, yeah, that too.

948
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,120
When you're when you're like
from a down and out hard working

949
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,080
blue collar environment, sports
matter because they are so

950
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,600
validating to you as a person.
And I don't know how else to

951
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:03,160
explain it beyond that man.
Dude I I sat on the couch of my

952
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:08,960
best friend's house watching it
with his family and when LeBron

953
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,800
sinks that free throw they go
down.

954
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,880
Love is guarding staff and he
misses the shot.

955
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,960
As time runs out I watch my best
friend's dad, who's I've known

956
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,920
my entire life, fall to his
knees weeping and I just hear

957
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,280
him as he's crying going.
I never thought I would see this

958
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,920
day.
He was literally born like 2

959
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,160
weeks after the Browns
championship in 64.

960
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,440
And like he never thought that
in his lifetime he would see a

961
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,480
Cleveland championship.
And we drove around town

962
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480
afterwards.
People are just out walking the

963
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,040
streets of Parma honking their
horns, cheering and celebrating.

964
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Like it it is.
It was such a unifying and

965
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,720
beautiful moment for the city.
I I still to this day, honestly,

966
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:00,080
as you were talking about it, I
was like, oh, I can't wait.

967
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,960
I don't know who they're going
to get to play LeBron like 30

968
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,680
years from now, but I can't wait
for like the draft day.

969
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:11,080
But like of an actual
championship, not of like, oh

970
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,320
wow, we had a pretty decent
draft go Browns.

971
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,840
Like no, like, like we actually
won a championship.

972
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,720
This is incredible.
Yeah, man.

973
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,040
All right.
I couldn't get us out of here

974
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,520
without linking Jim Braddock to
LeBron James somehow.

975
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,560
But on that note, Brad, it is
time for us to get into our

976
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,000
final segment of the day, which
we call Let's Make it a double.

977
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,640
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

978
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:38,520
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

979
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:39,960
this one, even if it's
struggling.

980
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,320
It's the final segment of the
day.

981
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,800
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

982
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,920
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

983
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,560
to make the perfect double
feature.

984
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,960
Brad I was going to just go
ahead and pair this up with

985
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,960
Seabiscuit.
I think I've I've paired like 5

986
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,480
movies this season with
Seabiscuit.

987
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,320
It seems like that needs to be
on the list for sometime soon.

988
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,640
But that's another movie where
it's like set during the

989
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,280
depression, everyone puts their
hopes and dreams on this ragtag

990
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,800
horse and all the people
surrounding it and feel

991
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,400
validated At the end of the
movie.

992
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,000
I I thought of maybe I could do
something more clever, but I

993
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,440
really can't see this gets my
pairing for this movie.

994
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,520
I'm.
Going to do something a little

995
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,840
more clever, Bob.
I was, I was thinking about

996
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,720
staying in the realm of sports
and if I did that, I would go

997
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,560
with Rudy.
I'm not going to stay in the

998
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,680
realm of sports.
I'm going to go with 2006, The

999
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:36,800
Pursuit of Happiness.
Now, if I remember correctly,

1000
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,080
you said you hate that movie at
one point.

1001
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:39,840
Is that still true?
I don't.

1002
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,680
Know if I don't know if hate, I
did not enjoy it the one time

1003
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,920
that I watched it, but I do
remember that feeling of

1004
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:54,840
desperation from Will Smith that
he just nails it and so that was

1005
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,120
the.
Keeping best performance.

1006
00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,720
Yeah, I was like, oh, I remember
Will Smith just oozing like, I

1007
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,920
have this son, I need to take
care of him.

1008
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,040
I'm gonna do whatever it takes.
And that's what really connected

1009
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,080
the pieces for me with
Cinderella Man.

1010
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,600
Now 2005 is 1 of I think the
best year movie years of this

1011
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,960
century.
The Oscar list is pretty good

1012
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,360
but when you get down into the
non oscari movies it's even

1013
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,480
better.
But, you know, Russell Crowe

1014
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:26,160
famously had a huge temper and
had a big temper tantrum when he

1015
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,320
was at a hotel in, I think, New
York City.

1016
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:33,680
He threw a phone at the face of
the the bellman or the at the

1017
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,000
desk and charged for assault.
It was a huge scandal.

1018
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,680
For for you young people, I
think it was like an actual

1019
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,840
phone that like had a cord and
everything they.

1020
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,480
Brought like a hefty phone.
Yes, and he whipped it at them.

1021
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,560
Yeah.
And it happened right before

1022
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,200
this movie came out.
This movie was a pretty much a

1023
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,960
flop at the box office, and it
tanked all of its Oscar chances

1024
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,920
because it was such a big
scandal.

1025
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,000
That's when Russell Crowe gets
parodied on South Park for

1026
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,600
fighting around the world like
it was a big deal.

1027
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,520
And it bums me out because I
would have liked to have seen

1028
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,600
what kind of damage this could
have done in the Oscar race.

1029
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,240
Remember, this is the year that
Crash wins.

1030
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,400
Brokeback Mountain is another
nominee.

1031
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,440
You've got Philip Seymour
Hoffman wins the Oscar for

1032
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,880
Capote.
You've got Joaquin Phoenix for

1033
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,960
Walk the Line hanging around in
this year.

1034
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:28,320
It's good night and good luck.
It's just it's a really, really

1035
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:34,200
good year for movies and it bums
me out that that scandal cost

1036
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,480
this movie from competing in
some of those categories.

1037
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,680
Do you know what happened, Bob?
What's that?

1038
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,840
We didn't have thick Crow.
If he was thick.

1039
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,920
If he was thick Crow, you think
he would throw that phone?

1040
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,360
Thick Thick Crow doesn't care.
He doesn't get angry.

1041
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,280
I don't know man, I feel like
Thick Crow probably has even

1042
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,040
more power behind his throat
now, like, because there's just

1043
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,440
so much more mass.
Yeah, but it's like, it's like

1044
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,880
Mike Tyson when he's high and
like not in fighting shape, he's

1045
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,760
just a happy go lucky dude.
You, you take him off marijuana,

1046
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,720
get him training and get all his
testosterone going.

1047
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,600
He's the most terrifying human
ever to live.

1048
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,720
So like, you know, thick Crow,
just he, he doesn't care.

1049
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,000
What does he have to care about?
He's fat and happy and you know.

1050
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,320
I remember when I when I first
took a distillery tour, it was

1051
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,240
at Woodford Reserve, and they
were talking about how Russell

1052
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,000
Crowe had picked a barrel of
Woodford.

1053
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,160
And that was back in the days
before you could just like

1054
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,040
anyone could get barrels.
And they had like a plaque of

1055
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,040
everyone who'd ever done it.
And it was like Russell Crowe

1056
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,160
was on there.
And then I saw Thick Crow.

1057
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,920
And I was like, that looks like
a guy who would pay him a whole

1058
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,640
barrel of whiskey.
Yeah, 100%, man.

1059
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,000
All right, dude, let's give this
movie some final scores.

1060
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,920
I think objectively, this is
somewhere between an 8 and a

1061
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,120
nine.
It's like an 8.5 movie that I

1062
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,760
just really love and is more
effective on me than its score

1063
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,840
would indicate.
So I'm going to give this a nine

1064
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,680
out of 10.
Brad, I love this movie.

1065
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,360
I I'm with you man.
I love this movie.

1066
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:04,160
It is super fun.
The the acting is overacted just

1067
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,720
enough to make you really like
laugh at certain parts, cringe

1068
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,200
at certain parts.
It it's such a fun feel good

1069
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,440
movie that has some rough edges.
I'm going to just a little bit

1070
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,520
lower.
I'm going to give it an 8.5.

1071
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,360
All right, so we're coming out
to an average of an 8.75 out of

1072
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,120
10, but we'd like to hear from
you.

1073
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,600
What do you think of Cinderella,
Man?

1074
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,600
When was the last time you
watched this movie?

1075
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,440
You can let us know on any of
our social media accounts,

1076
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,320
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,
Tiktok or YouTube at Film

1077
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,200
Whiskey.
Or if you want to join the

1078
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,000
conversation, we are on Discord
talking all things whiskey and

1079
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,960
film, so if you want to jump
into that, you can find a link

1080
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,800
to our discord at the end of
every single one of our show

1081
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,920
notes.
We'll be back again next week

1082
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,800
revisiting one of our Season 1
masterpieces, but until then,

1083
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,880
I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1084
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:57,560
And we'll see you next time.