Black Panther / Jim Beam Black Bourbon Whiskey

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In 2018, director Ryan Coogler
and star Chadwick Boseman gave

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the world a dynamic entry into
the world's most marvelous

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franchise.
In 2024, we take inspiration

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from that killer suit with a
Black Label bourbon.

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The film is Black Panther.
The whiskey is Jim Beam Black

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Label Bourbon.
And we'll review them both.

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This is.
The film and.

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Whiskey.
Podcast

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

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And Brad, I don't know if you
can tell, but my voice is a

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little raspy, a little bit of
hoarse today.

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I.
You're sounding a little quinty.

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Get off my lawn.
I'm just going to keep saying

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that all day.
This is this is the episode to

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do that.
Yes, 100%.

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We're going to tie Gran Torino
back into this.

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Beast as widely as possible.
So I am coming off of a week

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long vacation.
We got home on Saturday and on

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Sunday I took my seven-year old
son to Cedar Point.

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And folks, if you're not
familiar with Cedar Point, it is

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perhaps the most famous roller
coaster amusement park in the

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world.
Was it his first?

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Time.
It was his first time.

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What?
An experience, man.

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We got one-on-one time the whole
day.

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We, we got there at 11:00 in the
morning and we stayed till

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10:00.
And Brad, I'm not a big roller

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coaster guy.
Like I, I get real scared on the

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big ones.
Yeah, but he's seven years old,

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so I was like.
Dude, I feel like you'd be a

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really sweaty guy on roller
coasters.

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I just tense up.
It's same thing exactly.

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I'm just, yeah, it's not fun.
But because he's seven, I'm

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like, I'll, I'll take you on all
your first coasters and look

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like a hero, like, oh, buddy,
you'll be fine.

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Because he doesn't know that I,
you know, anything over 100

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feet.
I'm like, absolutely not.

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Little 7 year old Bob is still
inside there just like oh God

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no.
So yeah, man, I think we rode 30

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different things at Cedar Point
yesterday.

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Jeez Louise.
I mean.

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That includes all the little
carnival rides and stuff, but it

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was we were averaging a ride
every 15 minutes.

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It was great.
I.

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Was going to say that like 12
hours, 30 rides.

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That is a heck of an average.
Man, we killed it, man.

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So anyway, I, I screamed myself
hoarse and I'm hoping that the

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bourbon helps kind of coat my
throat a little bit here as we

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go into the podcast.
But we survived last week, Brad.

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We made it through The Last
Jedi.

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And I see light at the end of
the tunnel.

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We are in the last two episodes
of season eight of this podcast,

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wherein we are looking at the
highest grossing film of each

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year from 1988 to 2019.
So Brad, we've done 30 full

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years of Hollywood here.
And I know that I've checked in

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with you at certain points about
like, hey, let's let's try to

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put this in context.
Let's put this in perspective.

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But I think we've done a poor
job from week to week of asking

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about each film.
Why was this the highest

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grossing movie?
And now if we try to do that

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with these last two episodes,
it's kind of a moot point

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because the reason is because it
was the Marvel movie that.

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Year cause 'cause Marvel.
Because Marvel.

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Now here, clue me in on this.
Did Infinity War come out in

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2018 or like really early in
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No, it came out in 2018 and
Black Panther just made more

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money than Infinity War.
And I I think especially since

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we're looking at the domestic
box office and not worldwide,

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like Black Panther did not do as
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Avengers did.
And for obvious reasons, which

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we'll talk about like this is
like a very culturally

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important.
Movie.

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Yes.
Like it was just, it was an

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event movie, especially for a
specific demographic of people.

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And like, you know, I don't know
if that just doesn't play as

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well in China, but apparently
Avengers did.

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That's what's kind of cool about
this season is we're looking at

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the domestic box office, not
necessarily just worldwide.

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And there's been some outliers
because of that.

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You'd expect it to be Infinity
War for this year, but it's not.

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Yeah, I, I'm, it makes sense to
me why this would be a a

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domestic huge hit.
But I will say, Bob, the African

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American population in the US,
last I checked is around like 12

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to 13%.
Yep.

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So I, I, if I had to venture a
guess, this movie was way more

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popular than than just the black
population of America seeing it

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multiple times.
Oh, for sure, like like this.

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Like I guess what I'm trying to
say is this movie had had appeal

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far beyond what you would think
it would.

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Absolutely.
And I think what it did really

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well was it captured everybody
that was going to see Marvel

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anyway.
But then like, I specifically

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remember going to the movie
theater to watch this movie and

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there was a sign on the door
outside that was like this one

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theater has been completely
rented out by like, you know, an

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African American church in the
area.

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And like everybody went and I
haven't seen that done since

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like the Passion of the Christ
when all the Catholics were

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like, we're going, we're going
to rent the theater out for

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Jesus.
Like this was that big of an

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event.
So.

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Are you saying that Chadwick
Boseman was Black Jesus?

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Listen, man, I I'm not saying
anything, but the comparison

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certainly seems to be implied.
So Brad, let's jump into talking

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about the movie itself.
And in order to do that, we need

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to get to our first segment of
the day, which we call, Brad

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explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the film that he has

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just seen, often for the first
time.

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Brad, what is your history with
Black Panther?

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Is this your first time?
This is my second time I, I

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think I've said before in the
podcast that I, I lost interest

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with Marvel following The Winter
Soldier.

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Didn't watch anything for like 6
years, five years.

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You know, that probably came out
in 2013 and right around end

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game time a month or two
beforehand, a a few of my good

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friends who loved Marvel were
like, Brad, we got to catch you

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up.
So we watched a few of the newer

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films, the the James Spader,
whichever Avengers film that

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was.
We watched Civil War, we watched

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Black Panther, we watched
Infinity War and I, I think

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maybe Spider Man Homecoming.
That was like my catch up

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literature before I watched End
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And so yeah, I watched it then
and I didn't really like it that

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much.
I thought it was pretty boring

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and I watched it again and
spoiler alert still.

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Boring.
Oh wow, OK dude, I feel like the

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end of this podcast season is
just a hell on earth for you,

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man.
The Last Jedi.

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And then apparently two more
movies that you probably don't

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like that much.
So strap in folks, for Brad to

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be miserable.
Brad, you have 60 seconds on the

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clock to break down the plot of
this movie and go.

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Black Panther is a Marvel film
following the plight of the

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country of Wakanda following the
death of its king.

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The son of the king, Prince
D'challa, steps in, fights a

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ritual combat and becomes the
new king of Wakanda.

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In one of his first acts as
king, he goes to track down a

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notorious arms dealer who has
stolen from the Wakandans.

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In that process, he stumbles
upon an old Wakandan, a person

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who was from Wakanda but turns
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And that cousin comes in, tries
to wrest control of the Kingdom

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from Chadwick Boseman, and upon
seemingly defeating him, he

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takes over the country and
declares that he's going to

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murder everybody everywhere.
But then Chadwick Boseman, fun

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fact, is not dead.
Oh man, we should have seen it

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coming in end game.
He comes back, kicks some butt,

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takes some names.
Now he's the king and he kills

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Michael B Jordan.
He sure does.

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The end.
The End Man That was truly a

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synopsis made by a man who did
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I I think I gave a pretty pretty
accurate rendition.

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So this is going to be kind of
hard because Brad, sometimes I

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catch you in that like that
happy middle zone of I don't

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like this movie, but I don't
hate this movie.

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And that's where the real good
audio comes into play 'cause you

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have next to nothing to say
about the movie.

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So first of.
All, you have no voice today, so

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it's gonna be a heck of an
episode.

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It's gonna be a a really silent
meditation kind of episode

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today.
So let me ask this because I

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actually really like this movie
and I think it's one of my

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favorite Marvel films.
And I'll, I'll tell you where I

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sit with it.
And it's definitely a flawed

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movie and I liked it less this
time than I have in the past.

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But I think what I noticed this
time through is that Ryan

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Coogler, the director, Oscar
nominated filmmaker, is just

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really good at making movies.
And I don't just mean like his

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movies can't be boring.
Like I, I'm, I understand that

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you found this boring, but
Marvel movies don't have this

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much thought put into like the
costuming and the world building

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and the cinematography.
There were so many really great

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wonders in this movie where most
Marvel movies are so chaotic and

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you can tell everything's shot
on a green screen and then cut

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together in a way that makes the
VFX make sense.

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I think 1 area where this movie
really sucks is that the when

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the the CGI takes over towards
the end, it's like really bad

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video game cutscene CGI.
And so my big hot take is that

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the Marvelly stuff about this
movie is actually all the worst

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parts of this movie.
And there's a really cool, I

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don't want to call it a
political thriller, but kind of

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like castle intrigue story going
on that makes for a really good

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movie.
And then every time they have to

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be like use the magic beads or
you know, press this button and

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your suit comes out of nowhere.
I'm like OK, the superhero stuff

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actually detracts from the rest
of the movie for me.

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But all that to say, I noticed
how well done like the camera

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work was and how much care and
thought went into the actual

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making of this movie.
Especially since I've started

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watching Infinity War, a movie
that I also like, but where it

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it, it just has to be plot,
plot, plot, plot, plot for three

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hours because that's how that
movie works.

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But there's no inventiveness.
There's no care or thought put

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into any of the shot setups in
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Whereas in this one, it really
did feel like, you know, for

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better or for worse, everything
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Everything was storyboarded
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You could see the intense, I
think, in the way the movie was

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shot.
And so I kind of want to pick

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your brain on that front.
As a guy who didn't care for the

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movie, what elements of the
movie did you notice that still

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had merit to them?
I think, oh man, you're, you're

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just I, I can already feel the
animosity that's about to come,

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Bob.
I think that this is overall

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just another generic bland
Marvel movie.

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Yeah, I I just like I I.
I can't think of a single shot

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in the film that stands out to
me.

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I can't think of any action
scene that felt any different

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than the thousands of other
Marvel action scenes that I've

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I've seen.
The, the, the few moments where

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I felt like there was some real
beauty going on was when you

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could tell that there was no
green screen and they actually

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were filming on set somewhere,
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Like there's one or two shots at
the start as they're going into

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Wakanda of just a, a huge wide
shot of a mountain range in a

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beautiful grassy valley.
And I'm like, oh, that doesn't

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feel like a Marvel movie because
it's not bland concrete looking

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like just really crappy washed
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And so I, I, I do think you get
a few moments like that where

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I'm like, oh, hey, yeah,
beautiful African country.

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Like, let's have more of that.
But by the end of the film, when

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you have rhinoceroses jumping
out of the ground like it's, it

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returns to that flat washed out.
Do they not focus?

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Is that not how rhinoceroses
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I'm I'm unfamiliar.
Yeah, I, I mean, honestly, I'm

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not either.
I'm not a zoologist but think

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about that scene when they come
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Yeah, dude.
No, you're right. 8080% of the

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screen is taken up by a burning
wreckage that somehow, like, the

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fire isn't even red.
It's like, Gray and bland and

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muted.
And so it's like, yeah, there's

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moments of beauty masked by just
so much Marvel.

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Yeah, And honestly, I felt like
the first.

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So I think this movie's like 2
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But just for the sake of this
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hours.
Like for the first hour and a

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half, I thought this was like an
8 1/2 out of 10 movie.

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I was really like, OK, like,
you've you've got all the

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elements here.
You've got a really good villain

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with, like, some menace to him
who is emotionally wounded but

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also super dangerous and
unstable.

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You've built this world of
tense, kind of fragile ecosystem

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between all of these tribes who
have agreed to work together and

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now they're thrown into chaos
like it's a good story going on.

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And then the last half hour is
just like, let's do a Marvel

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battle.
Let's do a battle for 1/2 hour

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where just nonsensical things
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And it really, I feel like it
really loses the plot in the

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last half hour.
And if I'm being frank, let's

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you know, right here, let's do
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I'm going to get most of my
nitpicks out of the way on the

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front end, Brad, because diving
into performances, I want to

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start towards kind of the more
forgotten elements of the cast.

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Because there is a major
character in this movie that

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every time I watch this movie, I
forget this person is in the

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movie.
Why is Martin Freeman in this

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movie?
Why does his CIA agent need to

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even be part of this film?
Because Marvel.

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No, I'm 100% with you, man.
I I love Martin Freeman.

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He serves.
Zero purpose in this movie.

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No purpose.
Like like they make fun of him a

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lot and that's that's about it.
It is kind of funny that he's

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like the diversity higher of
this movie.

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You know what?
I.

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Mean, oh, I was, I was doing a
research or two facts and a

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falsehood.
And you know, some reporters

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somewhere on the media tour
asked him like, what's it like

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being one of like 3 white people
on set?

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And his answer was essentially,
oh, this is what it feels like

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to be a black person on set all
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Yeah.
I'm, I mean, I imagine it would.

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Here's the problem though, is
like his character sucks.

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I think he's miscast, honestly.
I don't think they, they play to

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his strengths as an actor and
and there's just no reason for

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him to be there.
It really every time they cut

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away to him, it takes away from
giving screen time to somebody

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that's more suited to this
material, honestly, because I

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think top to bottom, this is one
of the best casts that a Marvel

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film has ever assembled.
I count 3 Oscar winners and

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three additional Oscar nominees
in the top like eight people in

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this movie.
It's it's pretty stacked, dude.

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And even if I don't, I mean, I
don't know if you find the

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material itself bad.
I think that the script is

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really good for this movie.
But I also just think that it's

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nice to have good actors to the
point where Michael B Jordan's

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Killmonger, who has become one
of the more famous villains of

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the last 15 years in movies.
I think this is probably Michael

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B Jordan's worst performance
ever.

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Like every line reading is
pretty bad and he looks buff as

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hell.
And he's got a really cool, like

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all the little scars, the
notches he gives himself.

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It's a bad ass look.
Oh yeah, And you remember the

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philosophy of Killmonger.
But then when you hear Michael B

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Jordan saying his lines, it's
like, wow, was that really the

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best take that you got?
Dude, the delivery on almost

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every line, it's like he's oh
man, I can see it.

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He's like moving his head,
almost like clenching his jaw

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every single time he delivers a
line like it's, it's the exact

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same look where it's it's this
kind of like bitter, angry, but

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I'm powerful head movement.
Like can you see it in your?

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Can you see it like what I'm
talking about 100%?

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But even.
Every single lion is delivered

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the exact same way.
And I wouldn't mind that sort of

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like clenched jaw, I'm angry
performance if he it seems like

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he doesn't get the rhythm of the
dialogue correct.

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Like.
He's, he's always kind of not

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stumbling through it, but it's
like he'll start rushing and

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then realize like, oh, that's
not where that sentence is

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actually supposed to end.
And then he'll go back into

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like, there needs to be some
kind of rhythm and poetry to

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some of the things he's saying.
I think about that first scene

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under the waterfall where he
challenges T'challa and he's

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saying something like, and all
this pain has led me here to

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you.
And it's just the way that he

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says it where it's like he
doesn't have the whole line in

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mind.
He just has the first clause of

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the of the sentence in his mind.
And he gets through that.

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And then he's like, oh, shoot, I
have to say the rest of the

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sentence now.
And every single line, it just

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sounds like it's the first time
he's reading it out loud as if

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they were recording it at like
the table read when they first

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got the script.
And I hate to dump on the guy

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'cause I actually think Michael
B Jordan's a good actor.

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Like if you've ever seen read,
He's so good in that.

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Oh 100% man.
If I'm being blunt, Bob, I think

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it's because the American accent
stands out so severely against

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all of the African accents that
they have throughout the movie.

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I truly just feel like he like
the use of the American accent

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because listen to Martin Freeman
in the movie as well.

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Like, obviously he doesn't do a
perfect American accent, but

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it's pretty good.
But he sounds the exact same way

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throughout the movie.
There's no rhythm to the way he

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speaks it.
And who knows, maybe, maybe this

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was intentional.
Maybe I'm like reading something

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into Ryan Coogler's intent here.
But anybody in this movie who

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speaks American English has
almost zero rhythm or

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authenticity to it 'cause I
mean, even think about Gollum

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and Andy Serkis, like even his
voice feels like it fits in the

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movie way more than any of the
two.

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I think it's just Martin Freeman
and and Michael B Jordan, but

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any of the American accents in
the film?

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No, that's a good point.
I didn't.

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I hadn't thought about that.
So I you.

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Thought I wouldn't have anything
to say today.

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So we've gotten through a couple
people in the cast.

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I, I mean, I guess we should
just kind of jump up to Chadwick

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Boseman at this point, who has
become like a really interesting

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person to talk about because of
his untimely death.

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You know, he had just kind of
catapulted into super stardom

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with Black Panther and that this
is a role that like, especially

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for young Black people, has
become.

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Iconic, you know what I mean?
And Chadwick Boseman had become

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a figure who went from being
relatively unknown to beloved

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overnight and dies before they
make this the second Black

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Panther film.
And so now it's like this

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interesting time capsule of a
guy who had so much promise and

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so much potential, and it seemed
like so many years ahead of him,

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but he's a.
Hell of a good actor.

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He's such a good actor, you
know, Oscar nominated and man,

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it sucks.
Like it's just really, really

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sad to watch this movie now
because not only is he such a

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good actor, but the character of
T'challa is one of the more

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interesting characters in
Marvel.

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Like he is he, it's like what
everything we talk about when we

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talk about Chris Evans as
Captain America, like he's just

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decent and good and noble and
everything that makes us laugh

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at the, you know, cockiness of
Tony Stark is balanced out by

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the thoughtfulness of somebody
like T'challa And I, dude, I

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just can't say enough good
things about him in this movie,

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especially because he is not
like he's the lead character,

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but he's not bombastic.
In fact, like every time he's on

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screen with Killmonger,
Killmonger dominates the scene.

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And I think Chadwick Boseman is
a good enough actor to know

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that, like, it's OK for me to
recede into the background

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sometimes.
I'm still the lead of the movie.

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I don't have to dominate every
scene.

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And I think that's honestly one
of the more refreshing things

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because sometimes those Avengers
films can just seem like 15

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people who are all clamoring for
the spotlight in any given

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scene.
I've never felt that way

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watching Chadwick Boseman.
No, not at all.

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The, the reality is, I, I think
that T'challa is the only

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character as written that I like
in this movie.

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Everybody else in this film is
so one sided and there's like no

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depth to them.
There's no nuance to who they

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are except for T'challa.
And I, I think that as he's

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written and as he's portrayed,
there's a level of intrigue and

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interest and you can feel
T'challa developing like it

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feels like a Lion King Ask
reality, where he's truly

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seeking his ancestors support
and wisdom and guidance and yet

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trying to forge his own way and
trying to make his own path.

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And I, I love the movement from
where he starts to where he

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ends.
And I think the performance by

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Boseman ties it all together.
It it, it gives it a substance

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that, like you said, there's a
lot of Marvel movies that lack

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the amount of acting chops that
you have in Chadwick Boseman.

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Well, and again.
I think that's one of the things

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I love about this cast.
And if you're if you could say

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anything negative about the
movie, it's that they found a

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way to get like six or seven
Oscar nominees on screen

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together, but they don't all
have Oscari roles.

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And I think at the end of the
day, I'd I'd still rather have

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it that way.
Like I'd rather be wondering

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like, huh, I wonder why Forest
Whitaker agreed to do this movie

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then then to just find have some
dude that's like AC plus actor,

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you know what I mean?
Like it's just it's nice to have

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a plus actors doing small roles
and wondering like, huh, how'd

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they get that person here?
Because like Lupita Nyong'o as

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the love interest in the movie
Nokia, she's good but

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underdeveloped character, right?
And Daniel Kaluya as his name in

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the movie is Wakabi.
He's the leader of the tribe

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that wears blue and kind of
revolts against T'challa.

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He's an Oscar winner now.
He's been in so many movies and

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like, what's he doing here?
I don't know.

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Daniel Kalua, what did he win an
Oscar for?

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So he won best supporting actor
a couple years ago for the movie

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Judas and the Black Messiah.
That was a super good movie, but

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he's probably best known for
he's been in two or three of

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Jordan Peele's movies.
He was in Get Out and then he

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was the star of the movie.
Nope.

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All those, all those movies I
didn't watch because.

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Not a not a horror movie guy,
Yeah.

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I was going to say horrors, not
not much him.

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But even as you go down the cast
list like Angela Bassett as

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Ramonda, she's really good.
And I think the one that stands

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out for me is Sterling K Brown
who has like 3 minutes at the

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beginning of the movie as in
Jobu the the brother of the king

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who gets killed.
Sterling K Brown is an actor

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that like, I was completely
unfamiliar with until This Is

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Us.
And then I freaking loved the

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first couple seasons of This Is
Us.

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And I've been following his
career ever since.

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He was just nominated for an
Oscar this year.

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He is such a good actor.
It's like mind blowing.

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And he has this moment in this
movie when Michael B Jordan

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wants to go to the ancestral
plane.

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And when he gets there, it's
completely different than the

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ancestral plane that T'challa
went to.

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And it's just Sterling K Brown.
And he's like, this is where I'm

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this is where I'm condemned to
be forever.

446
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And he has this conversation
with Michael B Jordan where he

447
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,320
basically realizes like, what
have I done?

448
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,240
What have I created?
And watching when they cut to

449
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,320
Sterling K Brown in the
afterlife, having the

450
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,240
realization of how badly he
screwed up.

451
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,040
And not only that, but like how
his own lineage is going to be

452
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,240
cut off, watching him fight back
tears, watching him grapple with

453
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,080
his emotions.
That's why you get that type of

454
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,680
actor for a role this small.
Because otherwise like this

455
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,400
scene would work on paper, but
he brings so many things between

456
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,880
the lines that you need a good
actor to do.

457
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:12,400
Yeah, he is exactly the small
role actor you needed for that

458
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,840
scene in the exact way that they
misused Martin Freeman, but you

459
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,560
know what I mean?
Like, like they played perfectly

460
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,840
to what Sterling K Brown does
best, which if you're going to

461
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,120
hire an actor for a 2 minute
roll, like you might as well

462
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:32,160
just give him everything that he
is good at.

463
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,360
And they don't do that with
Martin Freeman, but they do it

464
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,120
incredibly well with Sterling K
Brown.

465
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,080
I also liked a lot of the actors
that are lesser known like the

466
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,040
the head woman of like the
guard.

467
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,320
Her name is Okoye.
In the movie she's played by an

468
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,800
actress named Deny Gurira.
She is fantastic dude.

469
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,280
And then my favorite of all of
these kind of smaller parts is.

470
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,040
Don't say it.
What?

471
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,120
Don't say it.
Who do you think I'm going?

472
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:00,680
To say, are you?
Are you going to say Leticia?

473
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Right.
No, I was not.

474
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,400
Although I think that she's
good.

475
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,600
I think she adds like some spice
to the cast list.

476
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,360
She's a funny role.
But I think she's terrible.

477
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,600
Well, we'll get to her.
I want to talk about Winston

478
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Duke for two seconds as Mbaku.
He's the head of the Jabari

479
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,680
tribe.
Dude, He's great.

480
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,160
He's so good.
He was in Jordan Peele's movie

481
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Us, and he's really good in that
movie too.

482
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,400
I freaking love him here.
And I spent so much time

483
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,960
wondering, like, who does he
remind me of, both physically

484
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,400
and like his comedic timing and
things like that.

485
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,800
He reminds me so much of Tom
Hardy.

486
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,720
Like when I'm watching a Tom
Hardy performance, I just

487
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,200
watched him in the movie The
Bike Riders, and he's really

488
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,760
good in that.
Winston Duke is like that.

489
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,440
But what if Tom Hardy didn't do
so much weird stuff and had a

490
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,720
little bit more charisma and
like that?

491
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,440
I really I.
I thought that like, I probably

492
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,720
actually liked Winston Duke
better in his role than I liked

493
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,760
Michael B Jordan as Killmonger.
Oh, 100% like they don't give

494
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,720
Winston Duke a ton to do on
screen, but the movement from

495
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:10,520
like challenger for the throne
to I'm just back in my Kingdom

496
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,080
ruling over my people and I
don't actually have a life

497
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,760
ending grudge against the main
people of Wakanda.

498
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,880
Like I actually think that the
world building is really poorly

499
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,560
done in this film.
I think there's so many things

500
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,640
that just make zero sense, but
one of the one of the few small

501
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,960
pieces that I think is better
than almost any other movie I've

502
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,320
ever seen that has this theory
of like, I don't know, there's a

503
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,280
bit of a trope of like one
nation ruled by, you know,

504
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,360
multiple tribes and the tribes
represent different elements of

505
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,720
all of those.
There's always one tribe that

506
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,760
gets outcast, and that tribe is
always the bad tribe.

507
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Like, you know, it's just
they're the ones who try to

508
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,160
overthrow the rest of them.
And the fact that they kind of

509
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,640
like subvert that a little bit
and show that like, hey, like we

510
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,600
might have our differences, but
we're still Wakandans.

511
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,680
I'd like that there.
There's something about that

512
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,040
that was very charming.
And you're right, it's charming

513
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,400
because Winston Duke is a turns
in a great performance. 100% All

514
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,320
right, tell me what you don't
like about Leticia Wright,

515
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,800
because I want to give you the
chance to be spicy here.

516
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,400
I I mean, I don't know if it's
spicy, I just think she's really

517
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,960
annoying.
Like they write her like she's a

518
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,720
13 year old child genius who
knows that she's better than

519
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,920
everyone.
And then Letitia Wright takes it

520
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,960
up to 11 and like over acts
everything the whole time.

521
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,920
And I I just, it's, it's not
like a major flaw in the movie.

522
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,840
She's a minor role.
She just kind of got under my

523
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,360
skin every time she was on
screen.

524
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,760
Yeah, And, and I think that's
intentional, but also like, I

525
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,560
can see how that role could get
super annoying for you.

526
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Yeah, I, I mean, the, the only
thing that redeems it is that

527
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,800
Chadwick Boseman is an
incredible actor.

528
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,040
And like, he delivers that level
of like, oh, this is my annoying

529
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,600
little sister in a really loving
way that like, makes me want to

530
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,800
like her.
But then she starts talking

531
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,080
again and I, I just.
I'm over it, man.

532
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,120
So I just recently got my kids
to watch The Lion King for the

533
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,120
first time.
They've always been like my

534
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,040
older son has always been too
scared to watch it and I'll try

535
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,560
to turn it on and he'll run out
of the room.

536
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,600
This time around, we just turned
it on.

537
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,240
Is that how you like it?
Alone time with Carrie.

538
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,080
Like, I guess, oh, I guess King
o'clock King.

539
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,560
So his younger brother is
actually like more willing to

540
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,480
try things that he's kind of
scared to do.

541
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,440
So we just turned the movie on
when his little brother was in

542
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,800
the room and let the older one
wander back in and watch it.

543
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,320
And so we finally got through
the whole movie.

544
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,680
They really liked it.
But I mean, this movie has so

545
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,480
much Lion King in it.
Like, it follows the same beats.

546
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280
And I know that Lion King is
basically Hamlet as well.

547
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,960
So like, I get it.
But it was really cool to see

548
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,080
like, The Lion King elements of
it.

549
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,400
And I think that's part of why
Letitia Wright's character

550
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,800
didn't bother me so much because
like, the dynamic between

551
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,520
T'challa and Shuri reminded me
so much of young, cocky Simba

552
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,720
and Nala always being like, shut
up, dude.

553
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,400
And I think that that made it
work a little better.

554
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,880
Not to your point.
These are both grown people who

555
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,640
are behaving like children a
little bit.

556
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,600
So yes, I I get it.
But once again, The Lion King

557
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,400
saves the day.
Yeah, no, The Lion King always

558
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,440
saves the day.
I think the only, the only thing

559
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,280
that would have been better is
if you get to the afterlife and

560
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,280
all of a sudden it's just
weirdly James Earl Jones, who's

561
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,800
the dad.
But it it just, it just makes

562
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,800
sense.
You just once you go to the

563
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080
ancestral play and you become
James Earl Jones.

564
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800
Yeah, I get it.
One thing I do want to touch on

565
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,040
before we go to Break, Brad, is
this idea of like an afterlife

566
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,240
happening in a Marvel movie,
which I found really

567
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,840
interesting.
And you know, as I'm watching

568
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,160
the movie, I'm not thinking
about it because I think the

569
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,240
movie pulls me in on its own
terms.

570
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,840
Like this, in this world, there
is an afterlife, but this is not

571
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,920
something that we are accustomed
to seeing in like a Marvel

572
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,920
movie.
And that's what gets so messy

573
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,200
about The Avengers films to me.
You kind of have references to

574
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,640
things like this in the first
Avengers where they're calling

575
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,200
Thor a demigod.
And then Captain America's like,

576
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,520
there's only one God.
So you understand that these

577
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,360
people all have not, not just.
That's a.

578
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,280
That's a great line, man.
Oh it's great, but you start to

579
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,920
understand like they all have
different world views, but not

580
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,760
just world views like actual
cosmic differences like.

581
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,160
Like metaphysical reality.
Ontological, yes, yes.

582
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,960
So I guess I just want to hear
real quick, not just like what

583
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,080
you thought of the ancestral
plane scenes, but I think it

584
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,000
adds a lot to a Marvel movie to
even dabble in those areas

585
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,360
because it's like we're willing
to go to space with these guys.

586
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,000
We're willing to think about
aliens and different races on

587
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640
different planets.
But the metaphysical is not

588
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,720
usually something that these
movies dabble in.

589
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,880
And I think I just appreciate
this movie for even attempting

590
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,520
it.
Yeah, I mean, I, I think that

591
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:38,840
there you could read it very
cynically in like, yeah, there's

592
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,480
an afterlife, but you only have
access to it if you're the

593
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,400
freaking king of Wakanda, you
know what I mean?

594
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,000
I, I think just purely on a
world building standpoint, I

595
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:55,000
think that it is helpful to say
that there are deeply spiritual

596
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:01,280
superheroes that live in a world
where this world is not the only

597
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:05,920
reality they care about.
And if anything, that's kind of

598
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,840
the reality of the war between
Chadwick Boseman and Michael B

599
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,080
Jordan, that like T'challa is
fighting for a world that will

600
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,920
continue on beyond the one we
currently live in.

601
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:23,159
And Michael B Jordan is like,
yeah, all like plunder that, for

602
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,440
what it's worth to me, to give
me power.

603
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,360
And then I'm going to burn down
the world that we live in.

604
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,679
And I think that's kind of the
core conflict between the two of

605
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,760
them is to say that like, hey,
no, I, I believe in something

606
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,920
beyond myself and I'm going to
go to that thing for wisdom and

607
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,639
guidance and for a picture of
what is best in this world.

608
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Well said man.
And on that note, I think it's

609
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:48,639
time to.
Drink whiskey.

610
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,960
I have my moments.
I have nothing like I know when

611
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,360
it's best to not undermine what
you say just to let it hang out

612
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,680
there in the ether.
What's You're Welcome Film and

613
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,240
Whiskey Nation?
Let's drink some bourbon.

614
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,960
What do you say?
I'm ready, man.

615
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,160
All right, so today we are
checking out Jim Beam Black

616
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000
Label Bourbon.
Now, Brad, before we even get

617
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,200
into the review, I have to say
this worked out kind of

618
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,560
fortuitously.
Sometimes we try to theme up our

619
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,280
whiskeys with our movies, and
it's pretty cool that we got

620
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,640
Black Panther and Black Label
Bourbon on the same week.

621
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,600
But this was completely an
accident.

622
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,440
We were supposed to review this
weeks and weeks ago and I had

623
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,360
assumed that because you can
pick this up in the small little

624
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,720
50ML bottles that you and I
would just have time to go out

625
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,720
and grab it.
And then we both totally forgot

626
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,600
to do that and we had to
completely reshuffle our order

627
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,320
around.
But it brought us to this

628
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,960
moment.
So it's it's nice to have what

629
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,960
looks like a well thought out
pairing here.

630
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,880
That was complete accident.
Truly serendipitous I I'm just

631
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,480
blown away by how life works out
in our favor.

632
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,760
Now the second.
Caveat that I'll give before we

633
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,960
dive in is that.
Within the last month, Jim Beam

634
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,640
has introduced a new product and
it's called Jim Beam Black Label

635
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,160
bourbon seven-year.
And I thought, oh, how cool that

636
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,280
they're doing another higher end
version of their black label

637
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,360
bourbon.
Literally this is this just

638
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,000
happened in the last month.
I see reviews online from June,

639
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,080
so I know that it's it's not
been very long.

640
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520
However, what I did not realize
is that it's actually replacing

641
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,840
the regular Jim Beam Black
Label.

642
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
From everything I can see on
their website, they have

643
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,840
scrubbed Black Label from
existence and replaced it with

644
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,200
Black Label seven-year.
So yeah, I think what we're

645
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,560
drinking today, Brad, is
actually going to be obsolete by

646
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,400
the time this thing posts and.
Very yes.

647
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,840
If not, then very soon.
If we like it, we'll recommend

648
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,120
it to you because you can
probably go out and buy it at a

649
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,240
discount because it seems like
this is the last of its kind.

650
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,880
Or maybe the price will go just
skyrocketing.

651
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Who knows, this will become a
collector's item for sure.

652
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,560
All right.
So somewhat doubt that, Bob.

653
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Here's the thing with Black
Label bourbon.

654
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,320
Literally, they just say this
about it.

655
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,360
It's aged years longer than the
original Jim Beam.

656
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,240
I don't know what that means.
How many years?

657
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,600
Like how much more well aged is
this?

658
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
I think that's why I appreciate
that they're putting A7 year age

659
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,360
statement on it now.
But I have to imagine this is a

660
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,880
blend of something like AI don't
know a five to seven-year

661
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,480
whiskey.
Because if the regular Jim Beam

662
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,760
is 4, then maybe this is a
little bit more well aged.

663
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,040
At minimum, if I were to be
pedantic, I would say it's six

664
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,480
years old because years wouldn't
indicate there you go.

665
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,080
More than one, more than one.
All right, So we're going to

666
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,680
probably 6, probably not more
than three because three would

667
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,200
be 7 and and they're coming out
with seven.

668
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,000
So.
This is 6 year bourbon.

669
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,920
You know, just just just taking
a wild guess.

670
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,480
All right, so let's go ahead and
dive in.

671
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,440
Brad, we have been really hit or
miss on these Jim Beam lower

672
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,960
shelf products.
This ones clocking in at 43

673
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,040
percent ABV, 86 proof.
Let's go ahead and get to our

674
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,480
nosing notes and I'm going to
kick us off here, Brad, 'cause

675
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,960
I'm drinking this live.
I will say straight up, this is

676
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,720
the most pleasant smelling of
all the Jim Beam products we've

677
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,680
had so far.
Really nice kind of simplistic

678
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,280
sweetness, almost like a simple
syrup, but there's some really

679
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,120
good caramel character I get a
pop of almost like like sponge

680
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,440
sugar.
Smells like cotton candy a

681
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,880
little bit to me.
I like that a lot.

682
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,360
And that's exactly what I want
in my cheap whiskey.

683
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,880
So I'm going to give this a 7
out of 10 on the nose.

684
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,840
Yeah, I, I'm just a little below
you, but I, I think it has the

685
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,760
beam nuttiness.
There's caramel, there's

686
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,720
vanilla.
For me, it wasn't quite a cotton

687
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,080
candy.
It was a little more of like a

688
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,520
bubble gum, but basically the
same thing.

689
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,640
You know, if it was cotton
candy, I'd be at a 7 out of 10,

690
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,680
but you know, bubble gum.
We'll we'll give it a 6 1/2

691
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,320
here.
I wanted the cotton candy.

692
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,000
When I get to the taste, it kind
of just becomes exactly what

693
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,280
we've had these last few weeks.
Brad, there's quite a bit of

694
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,840
just wateriness to this.
It tastes really, really

695
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,200
diluted.
Dude, my first note is watery.

696
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,960
Yeah, it's.
Just.

697
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,080
Super watery now I'm going.
To take the devil's cut out of

698
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040
this, but so far we've tried
besides that the double oaked

699
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,320
and the single barrel and the
single barrel was pretty good.

700
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,320
This has kind of those double
oaked notes again it.

701
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,240
Tastes really oaky.
It's a little bit bitter.

702
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,640
And then it has that bubble gum
sweetness to try to cover up for

703
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,240
it.
It's not a terrible whiskey, but

704
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,040
like if you put this in front of
me and told me nothing about it,

705
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,640
I would try this and I would
note it's really diluted and it

706
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,480
tastes just.
I don't know.

707
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,640
What's the word not incoherent?
Yeah, it doesn't.

708
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,320
It doesn't cohere.
It doesn't have a cohesiveness

709
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,080
to it.
So it's kind of all over the

710
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,040
place.
I would be able to immediately

711
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,560
peg this as a bottom shelf
whiskey, so take of that what

712
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,640
you will.
But it's not.

713
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,360
It's just not that good.
Brad.

714
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,560
I'm going to give it just a 5
1/2 on the taste.

715
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Yeah, I I'm with you, man.
It's watery.

716
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,240
There's like hints of things.
There's there's caramel, there's

717
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:10,480
vanilla, there's some peanuts.
To me, it, it almost turned into

718
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,560
a bit of a saltine cracker that
that's a little bit stale.

719
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,560
I'm, I'm a once again, I'm
barely above you on this.

720
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,000
I'm sitting at a six out of 10
on the on the palette.

721
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,440
All right, So when it comes to
finish, I think that's where

722
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,680
this kind of shines.
It has a little bit of spice to

723
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,400
it.
That bitterness is there, but

724
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,560
it's more just like a toasted
oak kind of flavor.

725
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:36,040
I do think that this would be
really good as like a Coke mixer

726
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,680
probably wouldn't stand up in a
cocktail because of the

727
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,080
wateriness, but it has enough
spice and oakiness to it that it

728
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,600
would at least pop with
carbonated beverage.

729
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,960
I think that, again, I'm not
really going to give it any

730
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,680
higher than a six here, but it's
definitely a step up for me from

731
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,000
the pallet.
Yeah, I I think you stole my

732
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,160
notes on this, Bob.
The the finish was easily the

733
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,440
best part for me.
I give it a 7 out of 10 here.

734
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,200
I think the oakiness is really
pleasant.

735
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:09,080
There's some black pepper and
the, the sweetness finally

736
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,920
transforms into like a really
nice brown sugar for me.

737
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,080
So I, I, I like the finish here
7 out of 10.

738
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:22,400
I think balance wise the it's
OK.

739
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,240
There's, there's a consistency
of what they're trying to go

740
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:29,520
for.
It's just all kind of at AC

741
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,240
minus level.
So I'll give it a 6 1/2 on

742
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,840
balance.
I think that's a fair score.

743
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Like I think they're shooting
for AC minus type whiskey here

744
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,800
and they're achieving it really
well.

745
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:42,400
And like that sounds like an
insult, but when you're talking

746
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,960
about a $20 bottle of whiskey,
like they're not putting maximum

747
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,520
effort into this thing.
And I think that like it's a

748
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,400
passable product where none of
the the components of it are any

749
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,720
are drastically worse than the
other parts.

750
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,120
So 6 1/2 is great.
Now, like I said, for value,

751
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:04,480
this is a $19.99 bottle of
whiskey, or at least it was

752
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,520
until recently.
This is still currently being

753
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,080
sold in the state of Ohio.
The SKU looks like it's still

754
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,160
active.
So you can go buy this at 20

755
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,080
bucks.
The seven-year version that's

756
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,600
just premiered, Brad, is 90
proof and $27.00.

757
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,640
So they're intending it to be a
little bit of a step up, but not

758
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,760
drastically so.
Now again, we haven't tried that

759
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,800
one.
I hope we get to it in the

760
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,480
future.
But at $20, I want you to

761
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,680
consider this, Brad, is this
product by itself worth $20

762
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,480
slash when you know that you can
get a seven-year version of this

763
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,640
for $7.00 more, does that impact
your score any?

764
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:47,440
Oh man, without having drank the
seven-year, I think I'd say yes.

765
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,480
I would still say for $20, if
you are interested in getting

766
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,800
into the world of whiskey, I
think I would recommend this

767
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,480
over something like Jim Beam
White Label.

768
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,280
Because in my mind, like white
Label is what, 16 bucks?

769
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,960
17 bucks.
Yeah, somewhere in there.

770
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,520
And at that point, you might as
well spend three or four more

771
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,640
dollars and get this black label
that I, I think had it offers a

772
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,120
decent experience for what
you're paying for.

773
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,560
So I, I'm at a 6 1/2 on the
Valley Baba.

774
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,040
I don't think it's perfect.
I think there are other better

775
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,720
options around this price range.
But I I'm always going to give

776
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,560
any company who's willing to
make a $20 product and, and put

777
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,600
some effort into it, I'm going
to give them the benefit of the

778
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,280
doubt for sure.
I'm giving it a 6 1/2 as well.

779
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,080
And when I think about things
you can get at this price point,

780
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,320
you could get regular 4 roses
for around this price.

781
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,000
You can get Evan Williams.
You can't get the white label

782
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,160
anymore, but you can get the
1783 for around this price

783
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,880
point, which a lot of people
like, but we've never really

784
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,520
drive with that one.
So at that price point, like

785
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,160
this is about the best you can
do.

786
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,880
It's a 6 1/2 for me because it's
not Rebel 100, but like it's

787
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,600
definitely comparable to other
things that are gunning for this

788
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,720
C minus kind of level.
And that brings me out to a 31

789
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,880
1/2 out of 50.
Brad, where are you at on this

790
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,640
one?
I'm a point higher 32 point.

791
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,560
Five, all right.
So that takes us to a 32 out of

792
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,240
50 on average or a 64 out of
100.

793
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,280
Now this is well below where we
typically start recommending

794
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,240
trying or buying a product, but
I am going to give this a thumbs

795
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,560
up.
I think if you're looking for a

796
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,120
$20 bottle of bourbon and you're
not specifically looking for

797
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,320
weeded bourbon, I would say go
try Jim Beam Black Label.

798
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,000
You could do a hell of a lot
worse than this.

799
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Yeah, 100%.
This is a great whiskey to get

800
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,720
started on your journey, even if
you've been drinking whiskey for

801
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,120
a while.
If you want to check out what's

802
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,120
going on in the world of budget
bourbon and have a good mixer on

803
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,520
your shelf, you could do a lot
worse than this nearly obsolete

804
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,960
Jim Beam Black Label.
I think maybe what we should do

805
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,520
is try to get a bottle of the
seven-year to try for our

806
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,440
bracket Challenge episodes.
Oh, that's a good idea.

807
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Yeah.
And I I will say, if you want a

808
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,280
cool looking bottle as your
mixer, the seven-year labeling

809
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,760
is pretty dope.
Yeah, it looks pretty great.

810
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,640
So we'll, we'll drop $27.00 for
the patrons, for the, for the

811
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,000
listeners of this show.
Totally worth it.

812
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,280
All right, man, let's get back
into talking about Black

813
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,440
Panther.
What do you say?

814
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:35,720
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody, That was

815
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,640
Jim Beam Black Label.
Now, Bob, we're about four Jim

816
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,400
Beams in four deep this night.
We've been just drinking Jim

817
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,360
Beam like crazy.
How you feeling so far?

818
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,600
I'm feeling it doesn't help that
we started with like the more

819
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,000
expensive ones and are working
our way down into the cheaper

820
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,200
ones.
But yeah, what I'm hoping for is

821
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,160
like that alchemy of, hey, this
is a very good, but at least it

822
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,280
only costs $18.00 now.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

823
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,240
Yeah, I will say I'm with you.
You know, we've, we've mentioned

824
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,680
this many times, we really like
Jim Beam products.

825
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,360
We like Knob Creek, we like
bookers, we like bakers.

826
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,880
We are big fans of the Jim Beam
Corporation.

827
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,240
I would like to try that.
Jim Beam, Black Label,

828
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,280
seven-year just wasn't in the
cards this week, you know?

829
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,960
Yeah, I know.
I'm, I'm very interested about

830
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,040
that one.
Yeah, we'll see where we go from

831
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,720
here.
But so far I think it's been an

832
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:34,880
average drive from Jim Beam.
But you know what hasn't been an

833
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,240
average drive for you, Bob?
Oh boy, 2 facts and a falsehood.

834
00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:44,000
Two facts and a falsehood, Brad.
Is going to try to stump your

835
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,400
ball. 2 are right and what is
wrong?

836
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,320
Two facts and a falsehood.
Two Facts and a falsehood is the

837
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,440
part of the show where Brad
presents me with three items as

838
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,640
fact about the making of this
movie, one of which is a

839
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,960
complete lie and fabrication and
I have to figure out which one

840
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,680
that is Brad.
I am sitting pretty at 18 and 12

841
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,680
on the season and so I'm
thinking about just going in in

842
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,560
the blind this time around.
Do you just want to guess right

843
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:15,240
now?
I'm going to say #2 is the

844
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,560
falsehood.
So let's just stick with that.

845
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,880
Brad, read your two facts on a
falsehood.

846
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,000
All right, fact #1 Chadwick
Boseman was asked by director

847
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,800
Ryan Coogler to help him set up
numerous shots throughout the

848
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,280
movie, as Boseman's original
degree was in directing from

849
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,640
Harvard University.
Fact #2 Black Panther joins

850
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,840
1978's Superman as the only two
superhero films to be nominated

851
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,600
in the category of Best Music
for Original Score, with the

852
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,160
latter being the only one to win
it.

853
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,320
Fact #3 Director Ryan Coogler
insisted on bringing in

854
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,200
collaboration from his previous
films to put his own stamp on

855
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,280
the film in order to
differentiate it from the other

856
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:01,760
MCU movies that he felt were
quote shot, composed and edited

857
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,960
by the same house people.
He was not wrong.

858
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:10,640
He knew what was up with with
Marvel.

859
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,880
He's like, this looks like crap,
I need to do something.

860
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,720
Yeah, Yep.
All right, so I don't know if #2

861
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,480
is actually the falsehood, but
that sounds like.

862
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,080
I'm pretty sure you already.
Committed I I did, but I'm just

863
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,280
trying to vamp a little bit to
at least make this segment

864
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,360
longer than two minutes.
The only two superhero movies to

865
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,560
get a score nomination sounds.
Kind of crazy.

866
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,800
To me like did did none of the
did Batman not get one in?

867
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,840
89.
Or did The Dark Knight not get

868
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,520
one?
I'm, I'm just surprised to hear

869
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,080
that.
So it could be two.

870
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,120
I also don't know if Chadwick
Boseman's degree is in

871
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,360
directing.
I do remember hearing a fun

872
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,760
story about how Chadwick Boseman
wanted to go to this acting camp

873
00:48:55,160 --> 00:49:00,200
that I think was taking place in
London and he had to apply for a

874
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:04,080
scholarship to get accepted.
And the person that covered his

875
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,800
expenses to go was Denzel
Washington.

876
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,600
And so after after Chadwick
Boseman made it, made it big,

877
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,520
like he told Denzel Washington,
like, you are the reason that

878
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,400
I'm here today, man.
So just.

879
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,760
Really cool.
Can we just, can we just take a

880
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:24,080
moment for Denzel?
Like what a guy he he just seems

881
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:29,240
to be outside of acting and
inside of acting, one of the

882
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,360
greatest people in Hollywood
that we have.

883
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,680
And he seems like he really
stays above the fray in

884
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,840
Hollywood too, Like he does not
get mired in all of the things

885
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,480
that we see happening in
Hollywood.

886
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,200
And I I really.
Appreciate that about him.

887
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,840
Yeah, although we thought the
same thing about Will Smith for

888
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,400
a long time.
Yeah, and then he just straight

889
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,600
up assaulted someone on stage.
So, all right, since I've

890
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,000
already made my guess, I will
say I just happened to Google

891
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,880
the 2008 Oscar nominees.
I guess 2009 Oscars Dark Knight

892
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,800
was not nominated for original
score.

893
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,480
So who's to say I locked in #2
as the falsehood.

894
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Brad, what is the falsehood?
The falsehood is fact number

895
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,400
one.
Yeah.

896
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,240
Now I will say he does have a
degree in directing from Harvard

897
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,240
University, so that part is
true.

898
00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:22,720
Oh, but he wasn't asked to help
at all.

899
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,120
No, I didn't help but.
That's more, that's more

900
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,120
insulting, like, hey, I know you
have a degree, but but I'm good.

901
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,680
I'm Ryan.
Coogler.

902
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,760
I'm Ryan Coogler.
Dang it.

903
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:38,400
I know that he also went on and
received formal training at

904
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,960
Oxford University, so in
specifically in acting.

905
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,800
Wow, that's awesome.
Yeah, yeah, Chadwick Boseman,

906
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,960
Awesome guy.
Educated man.

907
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,520
All right, dude, let's get back
into talking about the movie.

908
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,280
I'd like to hear a little bit
more about specifically from

909
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,680
your end.
Like what makes this not rise

910
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,600
above most Marvel movies for
you?

911
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,120
Because, you know, I didn't give
like a long and passion defense

912
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,120
about it.
But for me, I feel like it's

913
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,720
actually pretty plainly there on
the surface that it just looks

914
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,200
different.
It it feels more it feels like

915
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,920
more care was put into this
movie.

916
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,520
It doesn't feel as soulless to
me until that last CGI fest kind

917
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,000
of takes over at the end of the
film.

918
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,640
But I've just seen so many of
these stupid Marvel movies at

919
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,440
this point.
Man, that like this one really

920
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,080
felt like a movie to me.
And most Marvel movies feel like

921
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Marvel movies to me.
So I'm really curious, like,

922
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,200
what is it for you that that
keeps it from rising above?

923
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:42,880
I think that the the entire plot
felt contrived in a in a way

924
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,840
that many Marvel movies do.
It's kind of like, hey, like

925
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,680
chase the shiny object and then
boom, action.

926
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,840
The as much as I really liked
Andy Serkis in this, I think

927
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,920
that Andy Serkis is just a great
actor all around.

928
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,440
The the whole, what's his name
Claw.

929
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:10,520
Like the whole Claw subplot just
felt kind of bland and like any

930
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,360
other generic Marvel movie, The
whole scene where they're like

931
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,240
going to question him with
Martin Freeman is just not

932
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,440
written well.
There's just a lot of this movie

933
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,840
that feels slow paced and boring
and kind of like a retread of so

934
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,560
many other movies that we've
seen.

935
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,360
Like like T'challa is like
partially James Bond super spy

936
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,120
that has his own private queue
who's making him gadgets and

937
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,760
he's part Simba who's a little
bit wiser.

938
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,280
And I don't know, like there's
just so much of this film that

939
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,400
felt like a retread of of so
many other films that it, it

940
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:56,600
didn't feel very original or
like it had a lot to say that

941
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,240
was really interesting.
I think that's fair.

942
00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:02,080
I I would push back though, to
say that that's kind of just how

943
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,160
superhero movies are, you know,
like, and that's not a defense

944
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,400
for them, But I actually really
loved kind of playing this

945
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,440
mental game this time around
with this movie, which is like,

946
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,560
what parts of the movie do I
like versus which parts do I not

947
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,840
like?
And it was all the Marvelly

948
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,440
stuff that I didn't like, which
made me start wondering why do I

949
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,640
like this other stuff?
And it's like, oh, because it's

950
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,000
a really well done version of
this, either a spy movie or a

951
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:32,640
political intrigue movie, or you
know, the the cool like tribes

952
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,360
of a Kingdom type movie.
The stuff that I love of like

953
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,720
the Kingdom of Rohan from 2
towers.

954
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,840
That kind of stuff is really,
really cool to me.

955
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,800
And the scene that you're
talking about, that

956
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,680
interrogation scene, I thought
it was going to be a rehash of

957
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,480
the Joker interrogation from The
Dark Knight.

958
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,320
And what it turns out to be is a
really fun Mission Impossible

959
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,960
scene where somebody is broken
out and then they have to do

960
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,840
this merry chase through the
streets.

961
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,760
I really liked that.
Like I just think that it was

962
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,800
like watching an Ethan Hunt type
thing.

963
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,400
Yeah, but just hold on one
second, Bob.

964
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,320
Why didn't Chadwick Boseman pop
out of the walls in a tank?

965
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,160
I mean, tell me that that would
not have been.

966
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,800
We needed way better.
We needed the Goldeneye

967
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,080
approach.
To your point though, the James

968
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,440
Bondiness of it is like when
they go to is it Seoul?

969
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,000
Where did it go to like an Asian
country for a hot 2nd?

970
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,320
Yeah, I believe it's Busan made.
Oh, I.

971
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,680
Want Busan?
You're right, you're right.

972
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:36,120
And it was like, hey, what if we
did Skyfall in a Marvel movie?

973
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,400
And I was like, you know what?
This, this looks very clearly

974
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,200
inspired by that one scene in
Skyfall.

975
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,320
But I don't care right now
because there was also some

976
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,880
really inventive camera
movements when they all start

977
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,880
fighting, there's this great
shot of it like starts on the

978
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,480
2nd floor and pans down to the
first floor and you kind of get

979
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,200
each person fighting and they,
it's an unbroken shot that they

980
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,480
disguise with some cool wipes
across the screen.

981
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,120
But I once again, it's just
like, you know what?

982
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,040
I would rather see more
superhero movies like this.

983
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,040
If he's going to have a guy
that's like Q making him

984
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,360
gadgets, awesome.
Because you know who else does

985
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,680
that?
Freaking Bruce Wayne.

986
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,960
And to be honest with you, Bruce
Wayne is a downer and he seems

987
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,880
like a terrible hang, especially
like this new Robert Pattinson.

988
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,440
Batman just sucks.
I hate that and I'd rather have

989
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,840
I'd rather hang out with
T'challa.

990
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,160
If you're going to have cool
gadgets and be a superhero, like

991
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,720
let's go to Wakanda.
That sounds fun.

992
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,480
I.
I actually watched what's it

993
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,440
called, The Batman, The Batman,
The Batman.

994
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,880
Yeah, not a great movie.
They should call the sequel a

995
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,040
Batman.
And then this Batman.

996
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,840
Bat Batman, that man.
Some Batman.

997
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,400
Of Batman.
So anyway, I guess what I'm

998
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,240
saying is like, yeah, everything
in a superhero movie is

999
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,400
derivative of something else.
I think where this one rises

1000
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,720
above is it's like, if you're
going to rip something off as a

1001
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:08,360
film maker, you have to have the
chops as a director to sell it.

1002
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,440
And this is something we've
talked about with, like with

1003
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,000
Spielberg, with Scorsese,
they're constantly paying homage

1004
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,240
to things.
And I think a movie like this,

1005
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:19,400
it's like, I can see the homage
and then I can see where it's a

1006
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,400
jumping off point to do
something that we haven't seen

1007
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,520
before.
And I think Coogler is a good

1008
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,360
enough filmmaker and I've seen
enough of his movies that like,

1009
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,720
I know that this is intentional.
It's not the same as it is with

1010
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,160
the Russo brothers when you get
to The Avengers movies because I

1011
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,120
just don't think those guys are
good film makers.

1012
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,640
So maybe it's me just like
giving giving Coogler the

1013
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,640
benefit of the doubt here, but
more of that worked for me.

1014
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:50,440
I, I think for me it just, it
gets lost in the shuffle, man.

1015
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,840
I, I, I mean, I, I've never
seen, to my knowledge, I've not

1016
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,880
seen any other Ryan Coogler
films.

1017
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:04,160
You haven't seen Creed one.
I might have.

1018
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,040
I'm trying to remember if I've
seen Creed.

1019
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,160
I think I saw the first one.
I think.

1020
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,400
I think I did see the first one.
I I did not see the 2nd or 3rd

1021
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,680
or 4th or 5th.
I don't know how many of they

1022
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,760
made at this point. 3.
Three yeah, no, I I've not seen

1023
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,520
any other creeds.
So there you go.

1024
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,640
I've seen Creed, I've seen this.
I I just think it's way too

1025
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,520
marvely, man, there's so much in
this film that's really boring

1026
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,640
and repetitive.
And I think the, the thing for

1027
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,240
me, if, if we can get into
talking about kind of the

1028
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:47,360
message of the movie, there's
just so much of the film that I,

1029
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,800
I appreciate Chadwick Boseman
taking a measured approach and

1030
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:57,640
saying, hey, like, let's examine
our past and figure out maybe we

1031
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:01,120
weren't doing something right.
And let's not overreact and

1032
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,800
swing the pendulum way to the
other side like Killmonger.

1033
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Like I I really enjoy that level
of the messaging in this film.

1034
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:15,280
I think my struggle is believing
that Wakanda would have done

1035
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:21,120
what it did in the 1st place.
Like, to me, it's so wildly

1036
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:27,720
unbelievable that this African
nation that has been advanced

1037
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,520
beyond any technical,
technological means known to man

1038
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,640
because of an asteroid that
randomly landed in its in its

1039
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:40,480
territory, you know, thousands
of years ago, that they would

1040
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,600
just watch everything in their
country and be like, yeah, you

1041
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,440
know, it's fine.
It's all good.

1042
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,000
Slaves getting taken out over to
America.

1043
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,000
Slaves getting taken up into
Arabia.

1044
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,080
Totally fine.
We're just going to leave it be.

1045
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,520
We're just going to chill behind
this shield.

1046
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,400
And like, and it gets played out
in Oakland where, you know, he

1047
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,080
kills his brother and then is
like, yeah, his son.

1048
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,800
Nah, let's just leave him.
But like, hold on a second.

1049
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:17,800
To me, that is the most wildly
implausible set up for the rest

1050
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,560
of the movie.
And so it kind of makes the rest

1051
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:25,040
of it feel just contrived and a
little bit ridiculous to me.

1052
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,320
I think it's a fair criticism.
It's like, yes, it's hard to

1053
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,080
imagine a country doing that.
It's also, I mean, I think we

1054
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,520
also have enough examples in the
real world of countries with a

1055
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,680
lot of resources that shows
isolationism as a practice.

1056
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,280
Like, this is not the most
challenging metaphor to parse

1057
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,760
out like what Ryan Coogler and
companies are trying to say

1058
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,280
here.
But you know what, at the end of

1059
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,920
the day, man, like, I think they
did a good enough job building

1060
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,080
out the world of the inner
workings of the politics of

1061
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,240
Wakanda and establishing we have
a really long history and we

1062
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:06,680
have a tradition and we do not
deviate from that tradition that

1063
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,840
the metaphor part of it for me
is like, yeah, I could see how

1064
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,440
that metaphor could be
problematic.

1065
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,080
I also like just didn't.
I don't want to say I didn't pay

1066
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,760
attention to the metaphor.
I think the movie works as well

1067
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,280
if you just leave the metaphor
on the back burner.

1068
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,240
And I feel like even if we're
talking about this movie in

1069
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,240
comparison to Last Jedi last
week, you know, I like that

1070
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,840
movie a lot.
That movie is much more in your

1071
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,080
face about what it's trying to
say like this.

1072
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,440
I don't feel like this movie has
a Kanto bite, you know what I

1073
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,160
mean?
And so, yeah, I can see how you

1074
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,400
can have problems with some of
the metaphors the movie's trying

1075
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,440
to make.
But also like, it just, it

1076
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,680
wasn't as big of a part of the
movie for me, and so it was

1077
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,840
easier to kind of move past.
Yeah, I don't know if it's a

1078
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,440
problem with the metaphors, you
know, transcending the movie

1079
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,080
into reality.
I I like, like I said, I

1080
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,680
actually think the message of
like, hey, let's take a moderate

1081
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,440
view of how to change the things
that we've done.

1082
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,440
I think that's a great message.
That fun fact, all of America

1083
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,080
could benefit from learning
right now, right, left and

1084
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,080
center.
Like we could all learn how to

1085
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,800
say, you know, let's not swing
the pendulum way to the other

1086
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,800
side when we see something that
we perceive as not good.

1087
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,200
But yeah, you know, I'll, I'll
step off my soapbox for a

1088
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,280
minute.
I I think that the main problem

1089
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,400
is internal to the movie.
Does that make sense?

1090
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,160
Like within the world of the
movie, The setup is so

1091
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,240
ridiculous that it makes me just
kind of check out on the the

1092
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,160
plot for the rest of the film.
I think we've kind of said all

1093
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,160
that we need to say about the
movie itself, Brad.

1094
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,600
So maybe this would be a good
time to throw over to our final

1095
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,520
segment of the day, which we
call let's make it a double.

1096
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,120
We're near the end of the
episode, so thanks listening to

1097
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,000
the film and Whiskey show.
Let's pair another film with

1098
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:58,440
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1099
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,800
It's the final segment of the
day.

1100
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,520
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1101
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,800
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1102
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,600
to make the perfect double
feature.

1103
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,440
Brad, would you like to go first
or would you like me to go first

1104
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,960
here?
I'll go first.

1105
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,600
I am going to pair this with a
movie that I think has a very

1106
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:22,120
similar vibe and feel and and
kind of messaging.

1107
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,480
This one feels a little more in
your face about how it feels

1108
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,920
about the world, unlike this
one, but I think it has a

1109
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,600
similar level of quality given
to it as well.

1110
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,440
I'm going to pair this with
James Cameron's Avatar.

1111
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,360
Boom, I thought you were going
to say true lies.

1112
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,640
True lies, baby.
I've been thinking about True

1113
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,560
Lies the last couple days.
That thing is going thinking

1114
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:47,920
about.
It's going to go far in the

1115
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,200
bracket is all I'm saying.
What a fun movie.

1116
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:52,960
It was a hell of a good time,
man.

1117
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:58,080
He shot a terrorist who was
strapped to a bomb through a

1118
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,600
building and into a helicopter
full of more terrorists.

1119
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:06,840
He sure did, America.
Baby he he made out with with

1120
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,080
what's her face as a nuclear
bomb exploded in the background.

1121
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,280
Wakanda may have vibranium, but
we have Arnold Schwarzenegger.

1122
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:19,880
You know, seems like a fair
fight to me, Brad.

1123
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,680
I'm going to pair this movie
with one that came out just a

1124
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,520
couple years ago.
And, and thematically, it's kind

1125
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,240
of similar.
It's based on a true story.

1126
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,040
It's set in an African nation.
It's a movie called The Woman

1127
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,280
King.
It stars Viola Davis.

1128
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,960
And it, I think I've talked
about it on the show before.

1129
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,640
What I love so much about that
movie is that I went into it

1130
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,280
expecting it to be the topic of
like, you know, the lightning

1131
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,760
rod movie of the moment where
everyone's talking about like,

1132
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,120
oh of course a movie about a
woman king and it's an all black

1133
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,560
cast and blah blah blah.
And what I was surprised to see

1134
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:57,440
was that it was just a
straightforward good ass time at

1135
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:03,320
the movies where it was like a
90s Braveheart type movie, like

1136
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:08,040
just a well made Hollywood movie
where people fight with swords.

1137
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,280
And it's great.
And I think that that's kind of

1138
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:16,680
what I love about Black Panther
is that amidst all of these MCU

1139
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:21,240
soulless cash grabs, this one to
me felt like it was made by a

1140
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,240
person who knows how to make
movies.

1141
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,640
It was made by a person who
likes movies and that they

1142
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,640
actually put the time and
attention into it to make it

1143
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,800
something differentiated from
all of the other slop that we've

1144
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,320
gotten from Marvel over the
years.

1145
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,040
So whether that worked for you
or not, different is a different

1146
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,720
endpoint we can talk about.
But I'm pairing this with The

1147
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,240
Woman King and if you haven't
seen that one, Brad, I would

1148
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,400
highly recommend it.
Just a really fun time at the

1149
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,200
movies man.
Yeah, no, I I would definitely

1150
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,560
watch that.
I I think I mean is it time for

1151
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,440
final scores?
Yeah, let's get into this.

1152
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,800
Sure.
Yeah, I mean, I I think that

1153
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:04,440
weirdly enough, IMDb shows how
people feel about this movie

1154
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,360
more than you might expect
because this this movie is

1155
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,040
pretty universally praised and I
would have expected to seen it

1156
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,840
in the 7.7 to 8 point O range,
right?

1157
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,280
What is it?
Isn't that what you would kind

1158
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,360
of expect, Bob?
Oh yeah.

1159
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:25,640
This is a 7.3 on IMDb.
Yeah this is always hard with

1160
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:31,160
IMDb movies though because any
movie like any movie with a

1161
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,880
woman lead, any movie with a
black person is the lead.

1162
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,600
Like they get review bombed
right off the right off the bat.

1163
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Like I remember when when
Captain Marvel came out, a movie

1164
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,640
that for the record, absolutely
sucks and deserves to have a low

1165
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,680
rating.
It came out on like Thursday

1166
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,120
night, right?
And by Friday morning it had

1167
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,720
like one million 0.0 votes.
You know what I mean?

1168
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:57,000
Like there there's always going
to be some skewing, but to your

1169
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:00,560
point I actually do think this
one balanced out pretty well

1170
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,760
between people that over praised
it and people that just tried to

1171
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:11,080
bomb and tank the reviews.
I think that 7.3 is kind of a

1172
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,040
decent place for this.
I'm a little bit lower.

1173
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,640
I I'm going to come out to a 6.5
here.

1174
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,240
Bob.
I, I think for me, it just

1175
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,720
didn't hold my attention enough
and the action scenes were just

1176
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,560
unimpressive to me.
And I also think that I I wanted

1177
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:32,360
to mention this.
I'm kind of getting weirded out

1178
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:36,640
by the Marvel violence.
It like it genuinely is starting

1179
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:44,120
to become jarring for me with
how unrealistic it feels.

1180
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:51,960
Like the lack of blood, the lack
of like real impact from people

1181
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:57,200
murdering other people feels so
fake.

1182
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,840
Does that does that make sense?
Yeah, and dude, I'm so sorry

1183
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,520
because I don't want to be the
contrarian here, but like, we

1184
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,880
didn't talk about this, and it
was actually a note that I took

1185
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,760
that this actually feels like a
movie for grown-ups to me, and I

1186
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,960
really appreciate that.
It feels more like The Dark

1187
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,200
Knight in that sense.
Like the very first scene where

1188
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,560
they break into the museum and
then Klaw comes and they kill

1189
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,000
everybody and he tells the one
guy like, oh, you can go.

1190
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,200
Then he shoots him in the head.
It's like, oh, Dang, we're doing

1191
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:26,880
that in a Marvel movie.
OK.

1192
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,520
And I think to your point, the
bloodlessness of it really does

1193
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,600
irk me.
It always has because there are

1194
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,880
some brutal things that happened
in these movies.

1195
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,720
I think this movie is is one of
the few where they're not twee

1196
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,640
about it.
Like Guardians of the Galaxy.

1197
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,800
We talked about that in Volume
to the scene where they kill

1198
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,000
everybody on that ship with the
arrow that he controls with his

1199
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,680
whistle.
And it's played for laughs.

1200
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,040
And it's like, this is pretty
gnarly violence, dude.

1201
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,360
Like, I don't.
And I think that this time

1202
01:07:56,360 --> 01:08:00,200
around, the violence at least
had more of an impact than

1203
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,880
usual.
But I'm with you in general,

1204
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,160
I've always thought that Marvel
movies have gotten away with

1205
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,440
way, way too much.
And I, I, man, I feel like I'm

1206
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,360
going to get up on a soapbox in
the middle of this dude.

1207
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:17,200
Yeah, no, it it feels gross,
like I don't know, this time

1208
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,920
through I almost, I I just want
them to be honest about the

1209
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,520
violence.
Like, I think that's why people

1210
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:29,640
appreciate like a John Wick, to
be frank, I, I watched the Joker

1211
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,399
a month or two ago and the
violence in that movie is

1212
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,920
freaking brutal.
And, and I think it's meant to

1213
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,160
be.
And I think violence should feel

1214
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,240
that brutal.
Like people shouldn't feel like

1215
01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:48,120
violence is an OK reality.
It's so much grosser than we

1216
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,840
think it is to take the life of
another human.

1217
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,439
So I don't know.
That was just something I

1218
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,120
noticed this time through the
Marvel.

1219
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,359
Marvel fication of violence felt
really gross to me this time.

1220
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,279
Yeah, I was just talking to
somebody about this the other

1221
01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:03,840
day.
They were like, I liked

1222
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,840
Oppenheimer, but I really
thought that the sex scenes were

1223
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,520
unnecessary.
And we talked about how, OK,

1224
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,040
well, like, it's a three hour
movie.

1225
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,479
There's two sex scenes.
They probably last a grand total

1226
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,040
of like 45 seconds.
I would argue that one of them

1227
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,640
probably is a little
unnecessary.

1228
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:24,359
But what we ultimately came down
to on Oppenheimer's sex scenes

1229
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:28,160
in the presence of boobs in
movies was like, this person in

1230
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,720
particular has an aversion to
seeing boobs in movies.

1231
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,040
And like, make of that what you
will.

1232
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,840
This person had no issues with
the multiple scenes of

1233
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,160
Oppenheimer imagining people's
faces being melted off, you

1234
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,080
know?
And again, it's different, you

1235
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,160
know?
Like, I think that person

1236
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:46,600
understood the impact of those
scenes.

1237
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,640
And so he viewed that violence
as necessary.

1238
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,200
But it LED us down a path of
talking about Marvel violence.

1239
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:57,240
It's like dude, Titanic is APG
13 movie wherein Kate Winslet's

1240
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:02,640
boobs are on screen for like a
solid 5 minutes straight and in

1241
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,960
1997 I was like 6 1/2 years old
in that movie theater looking at

1242
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,920
Kate Winslet topless for 5
minutes and that was what APG 13

1243
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:14,200
movie was back then.
Now you can't even suggest sex

1244
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,880
in movies but you can have these
Marvel characters brutally

1245
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,680
murdering people.
And to me, I watch these movies

1246
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,200
and I'm like, this looks way
more like a rated R movie than

1247
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,720
anything that I can remember
growing up as a kid.

1248
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,360
You and me watch the
Independence Day, which is APG

1249
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,280
13 movie.
And like the Marvel, violence

1250
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,960
feels significantly more brutal
than what we watched in a movie

1251
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,840
like that.
Dude I'm I'm with you 100%.

1252
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,600
I just want to go back to the
Oppenheimer sexy really quick

1253
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,760
solely for the fact that I I am
an avid.

1254
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,160
Like I don't think you should
portray sex so graphically in

1255
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,040
movies.
I'm also apparently at a point

1256
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,840
where I don't think you should
portray violence unless you

1257
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,040
truly honestly show how violent
and brutal it is.

1258
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:05,400
The sex scene in Oppenheimer
where he's sitting in the room

1259
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:13,200
in the in the inquiry room might
be the single best usage of sex

1260
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,800
in a movie that I've ever seen
in my life.

1261
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,360
Like.
Totally necessary to what was

1262
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:23,480
going on in that character's
head. 100% and like to show what

1263
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:27,320
it would feel like for Emily
Blunt's character to be sitting

1264
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,720
in that room, like what's going
through her brain.

1265
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:37,280
Absolutely brilliant.
Beyond recognition.

1266
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:41,880
How great Nolan did in creating
that that scene.

1267
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:46,040
So for the record, what we're
saying, fully endorsing as film

1268
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,520
and whiskey, is bring back boobs
in movies.

1269
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,000
So many less.
Violence.

1270
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:55,400
More boobs, more more titties.
All right, Brad.

1271
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:59,320
And on that friend, I'm going to
give Black Panther an 8 out of

1272
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,240
10.
Not enough boobs.

1273
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,360
That's, that's my note in this
movie.

1274
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,080
I, I really do love this movie.
I had an 8 1/2 coming into the

1275
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,520
viewing and then I truly feel
like that last half hour is just

1276
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,320
real messy.
And I, I kind of think that

1277
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,720
there was probably some notes
coming in from the studio and

1278
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:24,800
it's been well documented how
rushed Marvel like put the best

1279
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,840
movie out that they didn't give
the VFX team any time at the end

1280
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,920
of the day, which is kind of out
of Ryan Coogler's hands too.

1281
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,400
And I think that they were
trying to make a certain date so

1282
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,640
that they could get Infinity War
out and on screens.

1283
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,760
And, and this movie is just the
victim of that, which sucks.

1284
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,040
But at the end of the day, you
can't make excuses for why the

1285
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,040
ending of a movie is not good.
Yeah, dude.

1286
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:51,000
Could you imagine though, like
let's just say that Disney slash

1287
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:56,160
Marvel was like a well reasoned
out movie studio and they were

1288
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,400
like, you know what?
We're not going to sacrifice

1289
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,320
quality of movie.
We'll push back Infinity War,

1290
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:06,400
we'll push back end game.
Oh wait, now it's 2020 and and

1291
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,160
like could you imagine if end
game got messed up by COVID?

1292
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,920
Well, I think my response is
like, how many more people would

1293
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:18,160
have died in COVID because they
insisted on going to see End

1294
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,440
Game in the theater?
Yeah, I that like that's a wild

1295
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:24,800
thought experiment because like
Tenet was supposed to save the

1296
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,120
theaters, but like now what if
it's end game?

1297
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,360
What if that's the movie that
comes out in August ish

1298
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:35,040
September and they're like, this
is going to save the theaters

1299
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,040
that man that would.
Be crazy.

1300
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,400
The corollary to that, though,
is the fact that this has bad

1301
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:45,400
CGI is directly responsible for
saving millions of lives in

1302
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:47,480
COVID.
Yeah, that's it.

1303
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:50,720
Man, thanks Marvel.
All right, so Brad, it is an 8

1304
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,800
from me.
It's a 6 1/2 from you for an

1305
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,480
average of a 7.25.
So we're right in line with that

1306
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:58,760
IMDb rating.
But folks, we want to know what

1307
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,520
you think about Black Panther,
about boobs and movies.

1308
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,480
You can let us know.
Actually, don't let us know

1309
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:05,680
about boobs and movies.
I don't.

1310
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:07,520
Let's keep the.
Spam off.

1311
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:08,840
We don't need.
We don't need to.

1312
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,920
Hear hear your thoughts on that.
You can find us on Facebook,

1313
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,480
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1314
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:23,040
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What is LinkedIn like?

1315
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,080
LinkedIn is the worst.
LinkedIn is the worst.

1316
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,160
Here's the thing, if you guys
want to talk about boobs and not

1317
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,760
get kicked off of one of those
servers, come join our discord.

1318
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,240
My my producers are giving me a
holding up a sign saying we

1319
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:43,760
never talk about boobies through
the discord server, but if you

1320
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,800
want to start it, now's the
time.

1321
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,880
Join the conversation.
There's a link to our discord at

1322
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,040
the end of every single one of
our show notes.

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Next week, a quick and painless
death for us as we finally

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finish out this season.
And by quick and painless I mean

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three hour movie.
We are watching Avengers end

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game and winding things down.
But guess what Brad?

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That means that in two weeks
time it's time for our annual

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Asterisk event, which we do at
the end of every season called

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the Bracket Challenge.
We put all 32 movies into a

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seated tournament style bracket
and eliminate them until we

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crown 1 champion.
And even if I'm not looking

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forward to end game, it means we
are only two weeks away from the

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most wonderful time of the year.
Brad.

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Dude, I this is going to be a
really fascinating year 'cause I

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like I, I don't know if right
now looking back I can think of

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any like clear cut winners other
than maybe like Passion of the

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Christ, obviously.
Yeah, that's, that's obviously

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the number one seed, right?
Of course.

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Come on man.
All right, so join us next week

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for End Game.
Join us in two weeks for the

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bracket challenge.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.