Avengers: Endgame / Jim Beam Straight Bourbon Whiskey

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In 2019, directors Anthony and
Joe Russo and star Robert Downey

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Junior gave the world a
climactic and heartfelt ending

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to an epic chapter of cinematic
history.

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In 2024, we try a whiskey whose
name is as synonymous with

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bourbon as The Avengers are with
superheroes.

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The film is Avengers end game.
The whiskey is Jim Beam.

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Or review them both.
This is the.

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Film and Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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Chomp BOM BOM bom.
And I am Iron Man, yeah.

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There it is.
I think I always kind of

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identified a little more with
Thor just drinking beer.

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Yeah, just got that, that beer
belly.

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Going.
I'm definitely in that phase of

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life now.
I think I definitely identify

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with Thor.
Well, hey, Brad G, since you

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didn't introduce yourself, let
me say hello to the people on

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your behalf.
And let me also say welcome in

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Film and Whiskey Nation to the
last episode of season eight of

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Film and Whiskey.
Bob, I know you're not super

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excited for today's episode, but
I don't think we've ever had a

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season ending episode that feels
quite as appropriate as Avengers

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End Game.
And is right in the title.

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It's right there, man.
You know what?

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I I don't know how to explain
this, but there's something that

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just made me feel so American
about our intro to the podcast

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this week.
Because usually we have to say,

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like, today's whiskey is Jim
Beam finished in rose casks with

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a hint of honey.
And then today was just like the

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movie's Avengers end game, the
Whiskey's Jim Beam.

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Get on board or get out like.
We're drinking something out of

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a jar that has a skull and
crossbones. 3XS on it.

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So folks welcome into film and
whiskey.

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What we do on this podcast is
review a movie and while we do

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that, we drink and review a new
whiskey each week.

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This season of the podcast we've
been looking at the highest

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grossing film of each year from
1988 to 2019.

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So we have finally arrived,
Brad.

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It has been a long journey from
a Rain Man to Avengers End Game.

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And I have to say, I think that
Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise

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are the only two actors in
Hollywood that do not make an

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appearance in Avengers End Game.
So it's, it's pretty fitting,

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you know?
Yeah, it is incredible to think

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that we started with, Yeah, Rain
Man to end game.

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If you were to just pair those
two movies together in a Let's

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make it a double, that would be
a really strange night of

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cinema.
I don't really particularly care

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for Rain Man that much.
Like, it was a good movie.

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I don't really understand why it
won Best Picture, but there is

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something about holding up
Avengers End Game as the movie

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that people wanted to see in
2019, for all its merits.

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You know, like it's a fun movie.
It's got a huge spectacle to it

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versus a movie like Rain Man.
And it just seems like we're

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we're the 1980s were such a more
sophisticated time, like people

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wanted to go see this small
intimate drama versus, you know,

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a guy with a big purple nut sack
for a chin.

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We're we're going there already.
Oh man, I'm, I'm coming in hot

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today.
Listen, I sat down.

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I've got my can of PBR and I've
got half of a doughnut.

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I'm ready to go, man.
Dude you are full on off duty

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cop.
No, I'm 4.

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Who?
Also, fun fact, didn't seem to

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care about anything in this
movie, and I'm guessing that you

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don't either, Bob.
I really do, and I really don't.

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You know, I've been thinking
about this movie a lot, Brad,

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and I'm going to have some spicy
takes and I'm probably going to

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piss some people off, but it's
an appropriate time to review

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this movie because it is the
fifth year anniversary of this

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film.
I can't believe it's been five

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years.
But then COVID really threw

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things off and it feels both
like only a few minutes since

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this movie came out and like an
eternity.

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The five years is enough time
for me to kind of sit and

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ruminate and revisit.
And this time around, Brad, you

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know, we reviewed Black Panther
last week.

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I did not go back and watch
Avengers Infinity War, which is

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the immediate precursor to this
movie and a film that I liked

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significantly better than End
Game the first time I saw them

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both.
And so I really tried to watch

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this film in as much of a vacuum
as possible because this is a

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movie that, quite frankly, you
just can't divorce from the 21

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MCU movies that preceded it.
And I think that's maybe my

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biggest issue with the movie is
that just taken on its own as a

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movie, it's got some weird stuff
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I'm not saying it doesn't
totally work, but it doesn't

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feel like a complete movie as
much as it feels like you've

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watched a whole season of TV.
And then you get the little

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previously on The Avengers, and
then you go right into that.

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And so it's like, it's jarring.
I have many thoughts Brad stop

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me before I ran for too long.
It's curious to me.

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I think I'm just going to push
back and say if there's ever a

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movie that deserves to be judged
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on the merits of what came
before it, I think this is the

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movie, Bob.
Like, Like you can't just judge

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this movie in a vacuum.
End Game will never exist in a

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vacuum.
Like tell me of the, you know,

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100% of people who have watched
Avengers end game, what

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percentage of those people?
It was their first scene.

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Had never seen another Marvel
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Yeah, you're right and I get it.
But I mean, we we can make that

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argument for the closing chapter
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This could be the same for Harry
Potter 8 or Lord of the Rings

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three or Return of the Jedi.
You know there there has to be

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some Lord.
Of the Rings 3.

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Golem's Revenge.
I believe it was called Return

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of the King.
I could be right.

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I was going to keep numbering.
Lord of the Rings 3.

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I was going to keep numbering
things and then I was just like,

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I'll go throw in Return of the
Jedi.

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My point was going to be, yes,
there has to be some familiarity

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with the preceding material and
you can't just be plopped in.

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I I completely get that and I
agree with it, but I feel like

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this movie really leans on that
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You know, there does have to be
some extent to which in every

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movie you give the characters a
proper reintroduction.

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And I think in this movie they,
they try to do that, you know,

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like Ant man comes back from the
quantum realm and we see Thor

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for the first time in five
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We really do see each character
grappling with this thing that

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happened five years prior.
But I love when you set up a

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point and then, like, refute it
yourself.

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It's it's what?
I don't even have to do

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anything.
I'm just sitting back here like

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smoking a cigar.
As you should I I think this

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movie tries is what I'm saying.
It just falls short for me in so

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many areas.
Brad And I think, oh gosh, how

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many weeks ago was it now that I
was talking about Transformers

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and I said that I sat through
2/3 of that movie thinking to

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myself, I not only don't exist
on the same wavelength as this

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film, but I actively hate this
movie.

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Brad Avengers End game.
For the first two hours plus, I

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was like, I hate everything
about this movie.

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I hate the acting, I hate the
cinematography, I hate time

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heists.
I hate everyone that ever

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touched this thing.
I hate what I did to cinema.

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And then the last hour.
Delightful.

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So I am in a really weird
conflicted spot on this movie

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dude.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it

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helps you out at all, Bob, but
for me, the the first time I

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watching end game was a fun
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So my first experience watching
Avengers end game was was

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somewhat amusing almost.
Bob, I I'm sure I've told the

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crying patron sitting behind me
story before.

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Oh, I.
Don't remember that, please

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enlighten me.
So I sit down at Avengers end

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game at our, our local like
really small theater.

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And so we sit down and watch the
film really excited.

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And you know, 10 minutes in the
there's a guy sitting behind me

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and he's kind of whispering to
his friend.

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And it's like, not loud enough
to make me say something, but

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it's loud enough for me to be
like thinking to myself, like,

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people have waited like 12 years
for this man.

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You should probably shut up.
And he keeps kind of whispering

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here and there throughout the
first half of the film.

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And I, I was getting a little
more and more annoyed and I

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almost turned around and said
something to him a few times.

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We hit the halfway point of this
movie or, you know, 2/3,

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whatever it happens when, when
everybody starts coming back to

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life, this man behind me who has
been whispering through the

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whole movie starts sobbing.
I mean, ugly weep crying.

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And he doesn't stop until the
end of the film.

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And I was like, oh, you're the
guy who's been waiting 12 years

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for this movie.
It, it was one of the most wild

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experiences of my life.
Needless to say, I also wanted

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to, wanted to talk through the
entire movie.

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And so on Monday the next week,
Stephen Jordan and I went and

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saw it like 10:00 AM matinee.
It was the three of us like kind

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of near the front left of the
theater and then like two people

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way in the back right.
And so we just kind of watched

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it and talked about things and,
and honestly enjoyed the movie

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in the way that we would want to
enjoy it, which was kind of

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making fun of it, kind of
enjoying it, kind of just

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reminiscing about the 10 years
and it, it was a good, good

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experience.
That sounds like a fun way to

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watch this movie.
And before we go any further,

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because we do need to get to,
Brad explains.

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I am going to get up on my
soapbox for the next minute and

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a half, Brad, and I'm going to
say this about people talking in

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movie theaters.
Bring back public shaming.

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Yes.
Here's the thing, I have no

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qualms about telling people to
shut the fuck up in movies and I

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will say those words out loud.
I I went to see Inside Out Two

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with my kid a couple weeks ago.
Did I tell this story already?

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I don't know.
No.

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I'm sitting there with my son
and it got to the most emotional

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part of the movie.
And these people in the two rows

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behind us in the back row were
snickering and like making fun

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of the movie and everyone else
in the movie is like trying to

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enjoy the movie.
And it's quiet enough in the

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theater that everyone can hear
these people.

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And I keep looking.
Back And this isn't like, you

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know, Hobbit Legolas being
Mario.

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And me, this is like you're, you
came to this movie to to make

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fun of the movie like which
pisses me off.

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So I turn around and loudly say,
can you please stop talking?

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And then they think that's
funny.

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So then I'd said, stay here a
minute, son.

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And I stand up and I walk back
into their row, whereupon I see

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that they are small, scrawny
teenagers because I took a

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gamble that this person may just
be a large man with a gun.

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But you know, this time around
it was teenagers.

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And I stood over both of them
and they just said that's

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enough.
And then they shut up for the

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rest of the movie.
It was great.

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I got my dad voice on.
I publicly shamed some teenagers

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and I don't feel one bit bad
about it.

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People need to shut up in movie
theaters, Brad.

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Yeah, I I experienced the other
end of that while watching the

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Dune 2.
No, Brad, stop talking in

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movies, dude.
No, here's here's the deal.

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Not even during the movie.
It was before the movie starts.

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They give the, you know, the
things the the not.

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Trailers the like the studio
cars.

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Production yeah, the production
studio things during that I lean

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over and no joke, like I'm like
making out with Steven's ear,

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whisper in his ear something and
this dude two seats down for me

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screams and when I say scream, I
mean screams.

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Shut the up, you piece of.
And I just, that's my dude, I.

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Just looked over there, that's
my dude.

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Was like I was ready to fight.
Man, I'm on team that guy.

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This movie hasn't started.
That was me, bro.

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I was.
I said that very.

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Quietly talking to my neighbor
and I didn't say, I didn't say

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anything the entire movie, but
this guy just thought he was,

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you know, better than everyone
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That was me.
You know what cosign that guy?

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I Yeah.
No, that guy was a Dick.

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I have thought back to the
number of times you.

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Were kind of a Dick too.
But here's the thing, I I really

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don't feel bad about it.
I spent so much money to take

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the two of us to the movies.
And if people are going to

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purposely try to ruin the movie,
like they deserve to be told to

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shut up.
And like, seriously, I would

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never do that to you in that
situation, Brad.

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And that it had gone on for an
hour at that point.

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Yes.
But I do think like, the

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pandemic has ruined theater
etiquette for people.

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It's the amount of people I see
with their feet up on the seats

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with no shoes on, like talking
through the movie phone on full

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brightness.
It's just like, if you want to

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be in your living room, stay
home.

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Like there.
There just has to be a different

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way you act in a place like
this.

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And that's, you know, that's my
soapbox.

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Yeah, no, I'm, I'm with you man.
I in general I am a don't talk

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during movies person.
I there are people I don't enjoy

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watching movies with because
they constantly ask questions

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throughout the entire movie.
Questions that involve answers

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that you have to wait to see
'cause like, we're watching the

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same movie and I don't know the
answer.

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Is he going to die?
Yeah, Yep, 100%.

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But I will say, like my second
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like if I'm with just my friends
and there's nobody else in the

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theater and we want to talk
during the movie, I'm.

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I'm going to do that, yeah. 100%
OK, on that note, let's talk

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about this movie.
And this movie is called

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Avengers End Game, and that
means that it is time for Brad

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to break down the plot of this
movie in the first segment of

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the day, Brad explains.
Brad's going to give us the

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movie plots with only 60 seconds
taken on the clock, so let's go

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ahead and do your take with this
little segment that we call,

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Brad explains.
Brad, as you know, you get 60

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seconds on the clock to break
down the plot of this movie with

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full spoilers.
So folks, if you have somehow

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avoided seeing what was at one
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of all time, you can hit pause
here.

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You can come rejoin this episode
after you've watched the three

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hour long superhero movie.
Credits roll at 2 hours and 50

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minutes.
Bob.

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OK, all right, fair.
Just saying 25250.

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Brad, you get one minute on the
clock and go.

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Avengers End Game is a film
about The Avengers bet you never

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saw that coming, did you Bob?
Terrible thing though, half of

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everybody is dead.
We follow The Avengers as they

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try to cope with the loss of
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The Ant man comes back and tries
to convince everyone that time

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travel could be a thing.
Tony Stark is like F you, I

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already have everything I want
and I'm not going to risk it

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all.
But then he does and they go on

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a time travel heist and they
steal the Infinity stones from

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the past.
They come back to the future,

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snap half of the population back
into existence, but they

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unfortunately bring a past
version of Thanos back to the

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future.
See what I did there?

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Thanos tries to destroy everyone
instead of just half of

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everyone, and Tony Stark stops
him, along with a little bit of

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help from his friends.
He snaps Thanos and his armies

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out of existence and then he's.
Dead and he did all right did.

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And that his Avengers end game.
Also, Captain America baby goes

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back to the 40s so that he can
get some of that Agent Carter's

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booty.
I mean.

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Bradley, you are a married man,
Sir.

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I'm not.
I'm not saying I would do that.

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I just say.
I'm just saying, if I was

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Captain America in that
situation, come on.

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Can you imagine what a great
line it would be to be like I

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travelled across space and time
and unfroze myself to be here

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for you, Peggy?
Dude, let's go.

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Let's be honest, I am a straight
male.

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If Captain America showed up at
my door and said that, I would

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throw myself at the man.
I'm just being honest here.

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I mean, what?
What greater story for anyone to

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say?
I could have had any number of

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women in 2019, and I came back
here to 1944 to be with you,

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Becky.
For beer belly bop.

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Dude, I would have slayed in the
1940s.

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Don't even give me that crap.
I have all my teeth.

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OK, let's talk about the movie,
Brad.

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And typically we start by
talking about the cast list of

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the movie.
The issue is that with that is

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that, as I said, everyone in
Hollywood is in this movie at

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some point.
So we will certainly talk about

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the cast.
I just feel like it might end up

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being in a more roundabout way
today.

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We'll talk about people kind of
as they come up instead of just

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reading down a list of 40 A list
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Where I'd like to begin is with
the actual plot of this movie.

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Brad, we have done a number of
time travelling movies on this

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podcast, and I like a good time
travel movie.

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Perhaps the most controversial
one that we've done is Back to

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the Future, a movie that is
considered structurally perfect,

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but that neither one of us found
to be super compelling.

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If you'd like to go back and
listen to our hot takes on Back

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to the Future, man, that was
like season two or three, I

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think.
Yeah, that was a long time ago.

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I think it was also the last
episode of a season.

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It sure was.
Yeah, it.

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Sure was.
I keep doing this to myself.

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So with End Game, I think my big
thing with the time travel piece

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of it is that just as a story
plot, not plot device, but like

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the determining factor of a
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It feels to me even I'm watching
it this time like the biggest

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possible cop out to end such a
huge arc.

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Like they wrote themselves into
such a corner with the way that

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Thanos snapped everybody out of
existence at the end of Infinity

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War.
And folks, let me say for you

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Marvel aficionados out there, I
am aware of the Infinity

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Gauntlet saga.
Like I'm aware that all of these

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stories were were pre-existing
in some capacity or some form or

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another.
So nothing new under the sun

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when it comes to the MCU.
But I was really interested to

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see how they were going to find
a way to bring people back.

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And it turns out that they have
screwed up so badly as The

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Avengers that they're like, we
have to find a way to go back in

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time.
And as soon as that element gets

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introduced, for me, the eye
rolls and groans just start.

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Because it really does just seem
like if we can undo everything

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that happened, then what have I
been doing for 20 movies here?

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And and I don't think for me.
The movie ever fully recovers

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from the idea that we have to
introduce time travel into this

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thing.
It just it's something that's

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never even been remotely hinted
at in the MCU outside of the Ant

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man kind of teasing it thing.
But like A, no one saw Ant Man

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and B like it just, you know,
for something that has required

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so much suspension of disbelief,
going to space and other planets

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and demigods, like I don't know,
for me, time travel was just a

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bridge too far.
It was the thing that finally

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broke the camel's back for me.
Bob, I, I know that it's no $1

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billion take Ant Man did make
$520 million.

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So, you know, a few people saw
it.

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A few.
Did anybody that you know go to

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the theater to see Ant Man?
Yeah, I had, I had a few friends

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who were were Marvel stands.
They they went to all of them.

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And I have never seen Ant Man.
Yeah, F that movie.

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I'm on one today, dude.
I'm eating my doughnut.

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I'm just I'm ready to be over
with us.

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Are are you eating a filled Long
John?

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I certainly am I.
Certainly am man.

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Of course you are.
It's it's, it's really fat.

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Like this is a fat doughnut.
I'm not a fan of this one.

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It's a filled Long John that has
both cream and Jelly inside of

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it.
Yeah.

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This is like a diabetes.
Yeah.

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You fun fact, you do have
diabetes, Bob.

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I don't.
I don't know if you should be

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eating that.
You can't get diabetes if you

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already have it, Brad.
Bro, you said that.

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With a mouthful of.
Donut amount of bites to let

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everyone know that might be the
fattest sentence you've ever

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spoken in your life.
Listen dude, respond to the time

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travel thing so I can finish my
donut.

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I think that the time travel is
poorly implemented, yes, but I

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don't, I don't mind it a ton
because there's no precedent

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within the Marvel Universe that
they're screwing up where I'm

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like, it's not my favorite time
travel that I've ever seen in

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the film.
It's it probably ranks pretty

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lowly.
But the thing I the one thing I

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like about it is that they don't
make a big deal of it by like

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continuing to talk about it.
They get it out of the way in

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their own Marvel way that, you
know, War Machine and Ant Man

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are like, yeah, why do we think
time works that way?

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Because of Back to the Future,
RoboCop, blah, blah, blah.

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And like, they get it out of the
way.

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Hulk explains Marvel's version
of time travel and then they

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move on with it.
And like, yes, they do the time

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travel thing, but they don't
talk about it a ton.

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And I think that's why I don't
mind it a lot, even though it's

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not my favorite.
I'm developing a theory in real

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time, so let me workshop it
here.

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But I mean, you would say that
this is not a perfect film,

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right?
There are definitely a place to

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it.
Yeah, yes, 100%.

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I'm realizing to me, to me at
least, the moments of the film

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that work are all of the payoff
moments and almost all of the

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moments that don't work are the
build up moments.

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And so that I think that applies
like on a meta scale to the

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whole movie, Like the first two
hours are just not as successful

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as the last hour is.
But I also think when you take

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the time travel subplot, the way
they set up the time travel is

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it's like nails on a chalkboard
in terms of storytelling.

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It's like they are constantly
undercutting their own decision

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to do time travel by trying to
show you, the audience that they

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know it's ridiculous and and be
a little winking and tongue in

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cheek and say, like, this is
laughable.

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At one point Tony Stark says
this is laughable and it's like

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you can't tell your audience
that it's laughable and then do

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it anyway, you know, like, and
so for me, every time they do

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that, it undercuts the the
seriousness of what they're

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trying to do, but also it's
making it harder for the payoff

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to actually overcome that.
And I think to the movies

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credit, there are a number of
places where the payoff does

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overcome the build up.
And the time travel thing is one

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of them.
Like once they actually go back

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in time, they get some really
great sequences out of it.

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I love the sequence where Tony
meets his own dad.

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And it's partially because
Robert Downey Junior, such a

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good actor and he sells a lot of
those moments with stuff that's

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not actually on the page, but
just his own emotional reaction

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to things that are happening.
It's incredible.

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It's really, really well done.
You know, the Captain America

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fighting himself.
What a fun little moment.

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And then when they're in the
lobby of that building and RDJ

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is dressed up as like a SWAT
team guy and Loki's having fun

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with the Tesseract, it's a
freaking blast like that.

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All that stuff is really fun.
But I feel like everything

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that's happening to set that up
is either so, you know, gloomy

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and dour or to to flippant.
And they never really find the

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right balance of like, what's
happening in 2019.

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And so it's not until they go
back in time at like the hour

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and a half mark that I really
start caring about anything in

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this movie.
So it it feels like for you, a

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stand up comedian that just kind
of botches all of his setups and

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you're like, yeah, you know,
maybe the joke could have

445
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,080
landed, but but but then he.
But then he says you might be a

446
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,760
redneck and we go.
Ah, you did it.

447
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,160
You did the thing.
I get it now.

448
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:01,280
I, I think as I was watching
this, I realize that the thing I

449
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:07,760
hate about Marvel humor, about
Marvel plot construction, about

450
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:14,160
Marvel aesthetics in movies is
when it gets imitated by non

451
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,400
Marvel movies.
And here in End Game at least, I

452
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:25,120
was like, oh, this movie
wouldn't feel right if it was

453
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:31,360
suddenly like directed by Steven
Spielberg or, you know, like a

454
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:36,600
Wes Anderson or like it would
just feel completely wrong if

455
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,680
all of a sudden it had a super
tight script.

456
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,920
It's humor was actually like,
what?

457
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,680
What's it called?
Diegetic music?

458
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Is music playing within the
film?

459
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,200
Like if it was actually diegetic
humor and not Marvel humor, like

460
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,280
it, it wouldn't feel right.
Like the there's a level of this

461
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,600
movie is the culmination of
everything Marvel has built

462
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,480
itself to be.
And yes, there are parts of that

463
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,880
I don't like and that's why I'm
not going to give this a perfect

464
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,080
score.
But I I don't know what it was.

465
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,320
Man.
For some reason this time

466
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,680
through, none of that really
bothered me that much.

467
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,520
I like, I found myself able to
just sit back, enjoy the movie

468
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,760
for what it was.
The the set up.

469
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,320
I'm with you is not perfect, not
well done.

470
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:34,760
I think that the Russo brothers
faced such a difficult task of

471
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,920
like, how are we going to get to
this epic conclusion?

472
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,680
And figuring out time travel
couldn't take up any more time

473
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,080
than it did.
Because I remember the first

474
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:50,560
time I watched this, I was like,
Tony literally says I won't do

475
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,480
it for you.
There's like a two-minute scene

476
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,280
and then he's like, I figured it
out.

477
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,160
I did time.
He literally asks his computer

478
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,680
one question and it's like, Oh
yeah, here, here's time travel.

479
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,880
Yeah.
And like this time through, I

480
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,600
was kind of like, sure, Yep, we
got time travel, let's just move

481
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,320
on to the next thing for sure.
Just get that out of the way.

482
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,000
But then there's so many moments
that are like unreasonably drawn

483
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,400
out.
And I'm not even talking about

484
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,440
plot developments, but that
Marvel humor.

485
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,000
There's a moment where they
first go to kind of recruit Hulk

486
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,080
and they're sitting in a diner
and an Ant man is asking these

487
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,000
kids if they want to take a
picture of him and Brad.

488
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,080
I swear I had like a Brad G
moment where I thought the joke

489
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,280
was over and then they kept
going and they kept.

490
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,200
Going You felt that kit in your
stomach.

491
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Oh my gosh, it was.
And it made me angry.

492
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,160
By the end of it, it was like,
Yep, I'm cool with them letting

493
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,320
these guys ad Lib and improv and
kind of riff off each other.

494
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200
But as an editor, you have to
know where to end that and that

495
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,760
joke Stop being funny.
And it was, it didn't go on long

496
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,040
enough to come back around and
be funny again.

497
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,080
They, they found the maximum
level of frustration to end that

498
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,600
scene on.
And so that's where it's like

499
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,280
there's a number of rhythmic
things with this movie that, you

500
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,320
know, again, I said like the
last hour I really liked.

501
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,360
And we can go ahead and talk
about that whenever you'd like.

502
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,240
But in that first two hours, I
felt like they could have shed

503
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,320
anywhere from 30 to 40 minutes
of screen time.

504
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,760
Like, seriously, I didn't need
entire subplots of this movie.

505
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:28,080
I didn't need to follow Hawkeye
into Japan in what is probably

506
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,760
the coolest shot of the movie.
That cool.

507
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,200
Wonderful.
Thing I was about to say.

508
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,720
That was freaking awesome.
It was really well done.

509
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,680
The problem is it was completely
unnecessary.

510
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,120
Like, they could have just told
us he's gone rogue, we need to

511
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,400
go find him and then we could
have no like.

512
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,680
You got to show that, man.
Come on, you.

513
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,880
Don't have to show it just cause
it.

514
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,920
Just cause it's a cool shot
doesn't mean it's necessary to

515
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,200
the telling of this movie.
I'm pretty sure it was.

516
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,840
Pretty sure it was.
I was not.

517
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,720
Sure, Jeremy Renner is not
necessary to the telling of any

518
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,320
movie.
Frank.

519
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Like we're being Frank here.
Dude, I will agree with you

520
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,840
about that with any movie.
I actually liked Jeremy Renner

521
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,000
this time through.
Unbelievable in this movie.

522
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,560
Yeah, I, I like, I took a note.
Blown away by how moved I was by

523
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,920
his performance.
I literally have a note in my in

524
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,760
my notes on my iPhone that just
says the Renner paradox.

525
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,040
And that is where that is where
you give the best performance of

526
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,640
your career in a movie where
everyone forgets you're in the

527
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,800
movie.
Yeah, he's so good in this, but

528
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,360
like, no one remembers Hawkeye
from this movie.

529
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,720
And he, he wouldn't be good if
he didn't have his like Japanese

530
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,000
anime like manga scene where
he's just like straight up

531
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
murdering people.
It's incredible.

532
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,520
It's the same thing with
Hemsworth in this movie.

533
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,120
And I think I gave Hemsworth a
tiny bit of crap in our first

534
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,800
Avengers review where I said
that he hadn't quite fully

535
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,600
stepped into being the actor
that he is today.

536
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Because I think he's a
phenomenal actor.

537
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,640
And in this movie, they really
let him show it with how truly

538
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,480
broken and depressed this man
is.

539
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,920
And I also feel like there's the
Hemsworth paradox going on here

540
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,280
too, where he's giving one of
the best performances I've ever

541
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,640
seen him give.
And yet the script and the

542
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,880
directors are trying to
undermine his truly great

543
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:28,520
character development with jokes
and jokes at his expense.

544
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,160
And like, undercutting what is a
really good performance because

545
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,440
of it.
Like did Thor need to be fat in

546
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,320
this movie?
And if he if he did need to be

547
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,880
fat at the beginning, did he
not?

548
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,720
Could he not have just like
magically shed 50 lbs with his

549
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,760
lightning?
Like the fact that they stuck

550
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,480
with it through the whole movie
and kept calling him Lebowski

551
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,200
and stuff.
Like it just got it got on my

552
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,720
nerves after a while.
Oh come on, Lebowski happened

553
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,640
once and it's just a throwaway.
Like you can't tell me that

554
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,040
Robert Downey Junior didn't just
ad Lib that I don't even I don't

555
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,680
even love Lebowski.
That was a great.

556
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,400
One liner.
I think my point, though, is

557
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,200
ultimately like, even at the end
of the film, they're still

558
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,000
making like rocket raccoons.
Like, come on Tubby, let's get

559
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,960
in the ship.
You know, it's just like, at a

560
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,760
certain point, you have to know
when to pull back and let the

561
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,680
emotional arc of that character
kind of take over a little bit

562
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,840
and stop undercutting it with
these constant reminders of

563
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,400
like, but he's fat.
And like, it just really throws

564
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,840
off what Hemsworth is trying to
do, I think.

565
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,200
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'll say
this, though, like he has one of

566
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
the most beautiful moments of
the whole film when he sits with

567
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,440
his mother and there's no jokes,
There's no nothing undercutting

568
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,120
it.
Like Rocket is off stabbing

569
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:53,920
Natalie Portman off screen.
And for me, I, that was one of

570
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,000
my absolute favorite scenes.
Totally agree.

571
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,200
Like the, the message that
they're conveying there about

572
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,240
the importance of understanding
who you are and living into who

573
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,560
you are.
I, there's so much going on

574
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,640
there that I'm a huge fan of.
And I I don't think the joking

575
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,240
through the rest of the film
detracts from that scene being

576
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,920
what it needs to be.
I think you're absolutely right,

577
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,520
because that's the only scene
where they're not trying to

578
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,840
undercut it like I.
I guess what I'm saying is I

579
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,560
wish they'd just given him a
little bit more room and space

580
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,600
to be the character that he was
without constantly trying to,

581
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,520
like, squeeze a joke in.
The Marvel humor really did.

582
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,000
And I think part of it too, Brad
is like in a movie with 80

583
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,600
characters from 10 different
franchises, where each film

584
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:44,520
franchise has its own tone and
visual language and like, humor

585
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,800
style.
I got a lot of tonal whiplash in

586
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,560
this movie.
Like whenever Thanos was on

587
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,640
screen, I was like, Oh yeah,
like we're supposed to realize

588
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,840
that this is a very menacing
person, but they've been joking

589
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,040
about him for the last 8
minutes.

590
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,560
So I, I found myself really
relieved at the end of the movie

591
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,440
when Chris Pratt shows up
because I've forgotten about

592
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Chris Pratt because he died in
the last movie.

593
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,520
And I'm not on like, team, I
hate Chris Pratt.

594
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,880
I actually really like Chris
Pratt.

595
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,880
If he had been in this movie The
entire time, I probably would

596
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,040
have just like thrown something
at the television.

597
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560
It would have been too much of
the Marvelly humor.

598
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,760
You would have gotten up in the
theater and like, yelled at him

599
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,600
to shut up.
No, that's enough, Chris Pratt.

600
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,320
Yeah, security, we got some guy
screaming at the screen.

601
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,600
Again, I don't know man.
So before we go to break, am I

602
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,400
just a cranky old man?
Like, did the Marvel humor work

603
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,719
for you?
Did they tie it in well with the

604
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,920
dramatic moments?
Did you have moments of tonal

605
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,840
whiplash?
Separately from everything else,

606
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,560
yes, Bob, you are a cranky old
man.

607
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,800
That goes without saying.
It goes without saying, when it

608
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,600
comes to this film specifically,
I kind of think you are being a

609
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,920
cranky old man.
Like, once again, this is the

610
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,600
culmination of Marvel.
It's not the culmination of Lord

611
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,440
of the Rings.
Like it's not like we suddenly

612
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:17,240
got in Return of the King a John
Woo action thriller with

613
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,880
Aragorn.
Like, I don't, I don't even know

614
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,960
what.
Like falling, sliding down the

615
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,640
walls of Gondor with doves
flying out behind them.

616
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:32,040
Like you get the same movie,
just the next iteration of it.

617
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,000
And I think that's what you get
here.

618
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,480
Like to, to complain about
Marvel humor in the Marvel movie

619
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,880
feels like I, I don't, I don't
know, like, I guess, I guess

620
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,600
I'll say this.
It's never been your thing.

621
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,240
That's not true.
That's never been my thing.

622
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:54,840
It's never been your thing.
I have many times over defended

623
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,320
Marvel humor on this podcast and
I think this is one of the areas

624
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,200
this.
Is this is the one time where

625
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,160
you're like one step too far?
It's just Russos, they go

626
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,120
overboard with it and I don't
feel like they work it in

627
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,000
organically the way that they do
in other movies.

628
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,280
Like Guardians of the Galaxy, I
think is a great example of how

629
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,880
to do the Marvel humor as the
tone of your movie.

630
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,920
And it's really, really hard to
have a movie that takes itself

631
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,840
as seriously as this.
Like the superhero stories are

632
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,960
just ridiculous on their face.
They're just like, they are

633
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,640
preposterous stories.
And I think you have to have at

634
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,960
least some level of
self-awareness where, where is

635
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,240
this movie is like, it's not
aware of its own

636
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,960
preposterousness.
It wants to be taken very

637
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,520
seriously, but it's way of
trying to mimic self-awareness

638
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,280
is let's let these guys riff a
little bit.

639
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,160
And I just like every time that
happened, it just threw me off

640
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,360
because it was like, OK, are
they going to go back in time

641
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,680
and try to save the world?
Or do we have to have like 8

642
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,320
more quips before we do that?
It like I I don't know, this

643
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,000
movie has just never clicked for
me on that level.

644
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,960
Yeah, I, I mean, I would
challenge you to someday go

645
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,200
back.
I don't think that there's quite

646
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,520
as many self aware Marvel style
jokes as you are portraying

647
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,920
there to be.
Like they did not stack up at

648
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,920
the level that you are saying
they do.

649
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,880
I I, I, I just don't think that
they really affect the outcome

650
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,840
of this movie.
And I think it's because you

651
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,760
have so many beautiful quiet
moments in the film.

652
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,960
Like, I, I even think about when
Scarlett Johansson is sitting

653
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,000
there after everybody turns off
their monitors and she's eating

654
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,320
a peanut butter and Jelly
sandwich, which seems like a

655
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,880
weird choice, but sure, go for
it.

656
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,800
And she just has this incredible
moment of like, this is what's

657
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,760
happened to me over the last
five years.

658
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,240
And she has a great conversation
with, I think, is it Captain

659
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:00,760
America?
Yeah, yeah.

660
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,560
Great conversation.
Absolutely.

661
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,280
And I so I guess that's what I'm
saying is like there are tons of

662
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,400
those scenes scattered
throughout this movie.

663
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,560
And to me, the the Marvel humor
put in throughout just kind of

664
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,040
gives you a reminder of where
they're at as a organization.

665
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,600
Yeah, I mean, I think that's
fair.

666
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,280
I I guess I would just push back
and say the fact that those

667
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,240
scenes are scattered is what I
think is wrong with the movie.

668
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:32,640
Like either be self aware in One
Direction of your own

669
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,480
ridiculousness or be self aware
of how serious things are.

670
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,320
Like a Nolan movie and I think.
So you either want Tyka to

671
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,760
direct this or Christopher.
Christopher Nolan, Let's see.

672
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Dude, give Taika, give Taika
Oppenheimer and he makes the

673
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,400
worst movie of all time.
You know what I mean?

674
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:55,600
Like you just you can't do both.
I just really want to see Taika

675
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,520
playing the main guy who's like
questioning Oppenheimer

676
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,160
throughout the the.
But still dressed as Adolf

677
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,640
Hitler from JoJo Rabbit.
Yeah.

678
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,160
Yes, Brad, real quick before we
go to break, I do just want to

679
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,440
say in that peanut butter
sandwich scene, how great would

680
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,120
it have been if Bradley Cooper
as Rocket Raccoon had just

681
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,520
popped right up and said, hey,
you ladies like peanut butter

682
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,360
sandwiches?
It would have been better if he

683
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,280
was like, she like threw it away
and then he pops out of the

684
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,200
trash can holding it.
All right, man, it's time for us

685
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,640
to go to break.
What do you say we tried this,

686
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,840
Jim Beam Bob?
You told me earlier that you

687
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,680
wanted to get this episode quote
over with End Quote.

688
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,440
And here we are 45 ish minutes
in and we're on a real wild

689
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:56,120
trip, my friend.
All right.

690
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,280
Today we are checking out Jim
Beam Straight Bourbon Whiskey,

691
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,440
also known as Jim Beam White
Label.

692
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,640
It has come down to this Brad
250 plus episodes.

693
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,920
We've never tried Jim Beam, we
might as well save it for last.

694
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,520
This is one of the best selling
bourbons last.

695
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,560
Huh.
Well, last of the season this

696
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,680
is.
This is Sam.

697
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:17,440
We're done podcast.
Yep, folks.

698
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,480
This is.
The one you thought Last Jedi

699
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,520
would end the podcast, but here
we are.

700
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,880
This is one of the best selling
bourbons in the world, if not

701
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,000
the best selling bourbon in the
world.

702
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,400
It clocks in at 80 proof.
It is a bottom shelf staple.

703
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Now when we say bottom shelf, we
don't necessarily mean bottom

704
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,880
tier quality, but it is an
affordable bourbon that people

705
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,240
have used for decades as a mixer
and neat.

706
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:45,320
The mash bill on Jim Beam is 75%
corn, 13% rye and 12% malted

707
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,240
barley.
So almost an equivalent amount

708
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,560
of rye and barley.
This is a non age stated

709
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,480
bourbon.
And Brad, I know that sometimes

710
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,920
we kind of blow through our
definitions on the podcast, but

711
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,480
a lot of times people are
listening for the first time and

712
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,040
people don't know a lot about
bourbon.

713
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,240
And so we want people,
especially people who are

714
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,960
drinking Jim Beam to understand
what they're drinking here.

715
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,440
What does it mean, Brad, when we
say that a whiskey is non age

716
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440
stated?
And how do we know what the age

717
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,560
is when that's the case?
Well, in order to be a bourbon

718
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,000
whiskey, you have to be aged for
a minimum of two years.

719
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,680
A straight bourbon.
A straight.

720
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,720
Sorry, thank you.
A straight bourbon.

721
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,400
And if they don't put an age
statement on it, guess how many

722
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,000
years old it is, Bob.
How many bread?

723
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,040
Two No.
False.

724
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,560
Brad, you have learned nothing
over the course of eight seasons

725
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,680
of this podcast to be a non age
stated God bless it.

726
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,360
What do I throw to you?
I try to give you like a lob and

727
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,440
you're like, Nope, miss the
dunk.

728
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,320
In order to not have an age
statement on the label, a

729
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,720
bourbon has to be aged for a
minimum of four years.

730
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,440
Now what that means is that the
youngest bourbon in this blend,

731
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,200
they take, you know, barrels
from all over the Rick house and

732
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,080
of all different ages and blend
them together.

733
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,040
The youngest whiskey here has to
be four years or older.

734
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,880
Otherwise, it has to be aged
stated.

735
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Now you can have an age stated
whiskey like we talked last week

736
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,920
with Jim Beam Black Label
seven-year where everything in

737
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,200
that bottle is 7 years old or
older.

738
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,120
But a lot of times people don't
want to advertise, hey, this is

739
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,280
only four years old.
So they just don't put anything

740
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,080
on the label.
And that's how we know that this

741
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,520
is at least four years old,
Brad.

742
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,240
So with all that out of the way,
this is our fifth week of Jim

743
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:26,520
Beam.
We have been very up and down on

744
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,680
this, but I'm really looking
forward to just sipping meat on

745
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,960
regular Jim Beam bourbon.
Brad, you've had it already.

746
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,440
I have not, So why don't you
give us your nosing notes here?

747
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:43,480
Yeah, the Jim Beam comes across
with like dust of peanut.

748
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,160
It's not quite a strong enough
nose to peanut, literally.

749
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Yes, there's a little bit of
caramel.

750
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:57,720
It really reminds me of like a
fizzy water that you can't place

751
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,720
what flavor it is.
It's just kind of a generic

752
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,880
there.
There's something effervescent

753
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,560
about it, but I, I there,
there's not a ton of notes here.

754
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,800
I'm going to be generous.
I will give it a six out of 10

755
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,200
on the nose.
I yeah, you know what?

756
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Last week with the Black Label
and this week I have found the

757
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,120
nose is much more pleasant.
And I think it's just because

758
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,680
they're leaning much more sweet.
This definitely smells like

759
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,640
crack and open a bag of peanuts
at a baseball game.

760
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,400
But if they were like doused in
caramel and honey and a bunch of

761
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,960
things like it's, it's really,
really nice, man.

762
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,920
You get peanut butter, you get
brown sugar.

763
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,760
I get Maple on this.
It's by far the most pleasant

764
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,560
smelling of all five of these
Jim Beams.

765
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,440
I'm going to give it a 7.5 on
the nose.

766
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,160
Yeah, I, I love that you called
out Maple because that for me

767
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,320
was the thing that bumped that
my taste score up there.

768
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,920
There's caramel, there's
vanilla, there's a little bit of

769
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,920
a peanutty note.
But for me, it was like a really

770
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,160
nice rich Maple syrup on the
front of the tongue that that

771
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,440
brought the score up decently.
I'm at a 7 out of 10 on the

772
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,000
taste.
Yeah, I like this a lot.

773
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,440
This is like everything else
that we've had from Jim Beam.

774
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,920
I feel like their solution to
let's come up with a higher end

775
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,840
version of this is more years in
the barrel, more oakiness,

776
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,920
double oaking and it has really
thrown the balance off, tipping

777
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,680
it into like almost bitterness.
This has a lot of oak and I can

778
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,080
sense the rye and the barley
here as well, but it is like

779
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,160
syrupy sweet.
I really, really love this and

780
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,480
for an 80 proof bourbon, it has
so much going on on the palate

781
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,480
that I don't notice how thin it
is like I did last week with the

782
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,120
Black Label.
I think this is a significant

783
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,480
step up from the Black Label
Brad, and I think once again I'm

784
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,640
going to give it a 7.5 on the
palate.

785
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,880
I think for me, the finish, it
kind of falls back down to earth

786
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:01,680
for what this whiskey could be.
It gets really corn heavy on the

787
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,400
end.
The vanilla comes through just

788
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,560
kind of has a generic sweetness
to it, almost like a simple

789
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,840
syrup, but there's not enough,
you know, of like classic

790
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,720
peppery oak notes to get me
super excited about the finish.

791
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,560
So I'm back down to a six out of
10.

792
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:23,120
I'm, I'm with you on all of
those notes, but I think that

793
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
this is the first time where it
hasn't been coupled with an

794
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,760
intense bitterness.
It's definitely an 80 proof

795
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,720
bourbon, but it tastes like an
80 proof bourbon that they could

796
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,640
charge more money for like it,
you know, Basil Hayden's

797
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,160
famously another Jim Beam
product is $40.

798
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,160
I don't know that I'd be able to
just immediately tell the

799
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,240
difference between the two if
you put them down because

800
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,240
they've been so diluted.
But I also think this just has a

801
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,600
really nice well-rounded flavor
profile.

802
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,240
The finish feels like it's
something that could stand up in

803
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,960
a lower ABV cocktail.
I just I like the oakiness of

804
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,720
it.
I like the spice and that sort

805
00:45:59,720 --> 00:46:02,800
of Maple caramel comes back a
little bit on the back of the

806
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,320
palate.
So I'm going to give it A7 once

807
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,240
again here.
And when it comes to balance, I

808
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:10,480
said seven and a half, seven and
a half, seven.

809
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,880
That means this is a pretty well
balanced whiskey.

810
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,360
Is it the greatest whiskey we've
ever had?

811
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,880
Absolutely not.
But for a cheap blended bourbon

812
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,000
with no age statement that like
most people will pass by on

813
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,400
shelves, I'm actually pretty
blown away here.

814
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,600
I think I'm going to give it an
8 1/2 on balance.

815
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,520
Yeah, I mean, I give it a 676.
I'll, I'll give it A7.

816
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,120
On balance.
I, I think that the flavors

817
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:42,000
they're going for, they hit.
There's just not any real

818
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,080
variance of the notes here to
make me excited about it.

819
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,800
There's, there's a lot of good
stuff going on here. 7 out of 10

820
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,040
on balance Bob, this bottle of
whiskey is going to set you back

821
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,480
$17.00 in the state of Ohio.
Oh man, do I love to hear that,

822
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,560
Brad, because do you know why I
love to hear that?

823
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Why is that, Bob?
This is a 10 out of 10 value.

824
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,400
I'm I'm staking my claim here.
I'm putting my stake in the

825
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,160
ground.
Brad.

826
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,480
This is the first one that I've
had in this series of five

827
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,240
whiskeys, including the single
barrel, which cost like 30

828
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,560
something dollars that I
understand why people like the

829
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:27,040
Jim Beam palette, like why
that's their wheelhouse.

830
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,880
You know, we've had bookers, we
understand like what it's like

831
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,280
on the high end, but people who
go out and just buy Jim Beam

832
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,200
products, this is like, this is
the flagship product.

833
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:40,160
And if they don't nail this,
then everything else is kind of

834
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,240
like, why would I want that?
And I think that the fact that

835
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:45,880
we ended with this one is really
important because this is the

836
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,080
first time I've understood, OK,
like I could get on board with

837
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,600
this.
I think they kind of got off

838
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,920
track with the other four that
we tried.

839
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:58,400
And so for $17.00, like this is
a freaking steal, man.

840
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,760
I'm I'm going to give this a 10
out of 10.

841
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,720
Yeah, man, I'm just not with you
on this.

842
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,560
I'll give it a 7 1/2.
Like it's $17.00.

843
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,680
It's a decent pour.
I think you can get a few other

844
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:18,480
better pours for just a few
bucks more good value.

845
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,040
Like they're, they've produced a
solid whiskey and they know,

846
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,240
they know what they're making.
And I I love when a large

847
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:33,560
company can recognize that I'm
coming out to a 33.5 out of 50.

848
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,400
Yeah, I am significantly higher
than you on this one, Brad.

849
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,480
I'm at a 40.5 out of 50.
Get out of Bob.

850
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:44,480
Well, OK, like listen, this is
definitely skewed by my 10 out

851
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,320
of 10 value, but I gave it a 30
1/2 out of 40.

852
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,680
Like I think it's a 70.
High score.

853
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,280
I think it's a 7 1/2 whiskey
across the board, but when you

854
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,840
put that at a $17.00 price point
like Brad, this is cheaper than

855
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,400
any whiskey we've ever done on
the show except for maybe

856
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,320
Benchmark.
Like I I just, I don't know what

857
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,280
else you could possibly get at
this price point, let alone

858
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,800
something.
Go ahead, you've purged the

859
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,120
Canadian mist from your memory.
I'm talking bourbon, but yeah,

860
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,200
you're right.
I don't know, man.

861
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,760
I really, really liked it.
You know, it's clearly, of the

862
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,800
four whiskeys I've given above a
42, it is clearly the worst of

863
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,680
the four.
But if you're asking me, hey, I

864
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,960
have $17.00 in my pocket and I
want to spend all my money on

865
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,320
whiskey, what should I get?
I mean, you know, what else can

866
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,240
I steer you to besides this?
It's really good.

867
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:41,400
Yeah, I mean, I, I came to a 26
out of 40, which is, you know, a

868
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,160
65 out of 100.
I like, I think that they're

869
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,840
doing good stuff here.
I'm just a little softer than

870
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,360
you on it.
And that's, that's totally OK,

871
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,160
man.
I am happy that you have

872
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,120
something to rejoice in this
this this here episode of film

873
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,720
and whiskey.
I feel exactly how you do about

874
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:01,840
the whiskey, but I feel it about
the movie.

875
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:03,760
Like they're doing some good
stuff here.

876
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,560
It's just, you know, this is not
for me.

877
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,600
Yeah.
All right, dude.

878
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,000
Well, that's Jim Beam.
What do you say we get back into

879
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,760
talking about end game?
Let's get to it.

880
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:21,640
All right, everybody, That was
Jim Beam, an American whiskey.

881
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,200
It certainly is.
I always like how they refer to

882
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,040
it as the James B Beam
Corporation.

883
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,200
Like they're trying to, what is
it?

884
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,760
Juice it up a little bit.
It's like, yeah.

885
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,520
What is it with whiskey
companies and having like middle

886
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,360
initials?
I don't know, they reminds me of

887
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,880
have you ever seen the movie Joe
Dirt?

888
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,520
No, I haven't.
An American classic, but at the

889
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,960
beginning of the movie, he he
works on like a a sound stage or

890
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,680
something and he has to show ID
to get in and he's the janitor

891
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,760
and he tries to spell his name
with like an E with a little

892
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,040
accent mark at the end.
He keeps calling himself Joe

893
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,480
Diertay.
And the guy at the gate is just

894
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,960
like, don't try to church it up,
son.

895
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,280
Don't you mean Joe Dirt?
And that's exactly how I feel

896
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,400
about these distiller.
It's like James B Beam.

897
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,760
Don't try to church it up.
This is Jim Beam.

898
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,080
This cost me $17.00.
No, Brad, it cost me $0.99

899
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,160
because I got a 50ML sample of
it.

900
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,120
Yeah, you did.
All right.

901
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,760
On that note, you know what time
it is, Brad.

902
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,280
It's time for two facts and a
falsehood.

903
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,440
Brad is going to try to stump
you.

904
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,920
Ball 2, all right.
And what is wrong?

905
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,520
Two facts and a falsehood.
Two Facts and a falsehood is the

906
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,440
part of the show where Brad
presents me with three items as

907
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,120
fact about the making of this
movie, one of which is a

908
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,600
complete lie.
Once again, as with Star Wars, I

909
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,000
do not care.
You could present me with any

910
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,240
number of statements, all of
them true, all of them false.

911
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,440
I have no idea.
I did not read these things

912
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,560
growing up.
So Brad, I'm sitting at 18 and

913
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,680
13 on the season.
I have secured for myself my

914
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,880
winning season.
If I lose today, I'd again, you

915
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,840
know, it is what it is.
So hit me with your two facts

916
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,600
and a falsehood.
Fact #1 Upon reaching its peak

917
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,440
gross, End Game became the first
film in 45 years to be the

918
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,840
highest grossing film not
directed by Steven Spielberg,

919
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:25,560
James Cameron, or George Lucas.
Fact #2 Chris Evans developed an

920
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,880
extraordinarily close
relationship with his stunt

921
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,240
double Sam Hargrave throughout
the MCU experience and insisted

922
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,880
that in his credit scene,
multiple of the background shots

923
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,800
of Captain America are actually
of Hargrove.

924
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,040
Fact #3 Robert Downey Junior
officially surpassed Hugh

925
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,040
Jackman's record for most
appearances in film as the same

926
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,600
superhero with 10.
He set this record in only 11

927
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,400
years, whereas Jackman did it in
17.

928
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,680
So Hugh Jackman has since
reclaimed that crown.

929
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,520
If that is true, because.
Or is he at least tied?

930
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,280
Because I believe that Deadpool
and Wolverine is his 10th

931
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,040
appearance as Wolverine now.
Yeah.

932
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:13,280
OK, that's so that's.
Probably why Hugh did it.

933
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,600
Definitely not for the paycheck.
Number one, I believe is true.

934
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,200
The one about it being 45 years
since Cameron, Spielberg or

935
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,200
Lucas hadn't had the highest
grossing film, because I'm

936
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,160
trying to think it was.
It was Jaws, and then it was

937
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:33,720
Star Wars and then I believe it
was ET until it was Jurassic

938
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:38,360
Park, and then it was Titanic.
And then Titanic held the crown

939
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:45,320
until Avatar and then end game.
Yeah, So I think that's right #3

940
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,200
sounds true #2 I wasn't really
paying attention, to be honest

941
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,800
with you.
I don't really know who Hargrove

942
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,040
is.
That's all I remember.

943
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,360
But that's enough for me.
It was so boring that it has to

944
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,200
be false #2 Is the falsehood
Brad you?

945
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:05,200
Are correct, Robert, look at you
go.

946
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,000
Just like this movie.
Boring as hell.

947
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,400
Bobby, you said that the final
hour of this film worked for

948
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,360
you.
So let's let's dive into that a

949
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,240
little bit.
What was it about the final act

950
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,920
of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
that like just compelled you?

951
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,440
What, what, what made you feel
like, oh, I'm finally at a good

952
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,600
movie?
You know that scene in the

953
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,720
Grinch where he's sliding down
the hill holding a a a sleigh

954
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,560
full of gifts and they say that
his his tiny heart grew 3 sizes

955
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:38,880
that.
Day.

956
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,440
I sure do remember that, yeah.
It was basically that, you know,

957
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,120
I just, I honestly got caught up
in the movie making.

958
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,040
I think that it just becomes a
significantly more well made

959
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,400
movie.
It feels less thrown together.

960
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,840
I think the fact that they
finally get everybody in one

961
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,200
location means that they don't
have to keep cutting back and

962
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,360
forth to kind of dissolve or
dilute some of the tension.

963
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,520
And because of that, you know,
the visual palette is still

964
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,480
freaking awful.
This movie is so grey.

965
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,640
It just looks like crap.
But even, I mean, getting beyond

966
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,200
that, you get some cool little
quips.

967
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,720
You get some cool little moments
of people flexing and like

968
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:19,640
winking at the camera, but they
all feel much more tied into the

969
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,440
action on the screen.
And I've said this a few times

970
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,280
in the course of the season when
the humor in a movie feels kind

971
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,880
of Spielbergian.
And I think that that's what I

972
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,960
mean by that is like Spielberg's
a really good at knowing where

973
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,800
within a very tense action
sequence he can drop a joke so

974
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,120
that it does kind of like give
you a moment to breathe, but it

975
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,480
doesn't undercut the action of
the sequence.

976
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,880
And I think that the Russos do a
really good job with that part

977
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,760
of the movie it all all the way
up until Iron Man's sacrifice.

978
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:54,600
And, and do I think that they
really stretch it out like both

979
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,960
his death scene and the funeral
scene 100% like it is really

980
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,200
dragged out.
But that's one of those.

981
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:04,560
Areas where you didn't like the
wonder slowly travelling through

982
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,000
the groups of people.
I I really tried this time to

983
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,680
determine if they were actually
all in one location or if they

984
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,840
were all just like groups of
three that they had green

985
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,680
screened separately and put
together.

986
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,520
I couldn't tell so it must have
been good green screen if it

987
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:21,040
wasn't.
I I think I remember being told

988
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,720
that they shot that scene and
told everybody that yeah, I've

989
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:30,280
heard it was somebody.
Else no way you don't think they

990
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,080
all wondered like why are we
wearing black dresses and black

991
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,560
suits?
Like nobody knew that that three

992
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:39,880
day funeral shoot was in a party
scene.

993
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,120
I'm just saying that it would
indicate to me that they were

994
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,800
all actually there together.
Sure, Yeah, yeah.

995
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,880
Anyway, like they drag it out,
but I think that's one of those

996
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,120
areas where you can't just look
at the movie in a vacuum.

997
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,960
Like this big MCU thing needs
it's 1/2 hour long tribute to

998
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,320
Tony Stark.
It just does.

999
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,880
And I'm OK with it.
And the IT really got me.

1000
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,400
Like I always thought that I
love you 3000 was a really

1001
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,200
cheesy thing to say.
And this time around I was like,

1002
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,280
I freaking floored me, dude.
I was, if anything, I don't

1003
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,400
think they milked that moment
enough because he says I love

1004
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,640
you 3000 and then the thing cuts
off and it's like, oh, you

1005
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,520
really could have showed me
Gwyneth Paltrow and his little

1006
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,240
kid crying and it.
You wanted to watch like a four

1007
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,840
year old kid just weeping.
Just freaking.

1008
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Ruined.
Yeah, they they should have had

1009
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,000
Jon Favreau stand above her and
go shut up.

1010
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,760
Oh, dude.
Speaking of which, Favreau.

1011
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,120
A.
Very underrated actor.

1012
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,320
He's so good.
That moment with the

1013
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,360
cheeseburgers, like of all the
things that could make me cry,

1014
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,360
he has that look in his eyes and
he chokes back the tears saying

1015
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,920
like, you know your dad like
cheeseburgers.

1016
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,560
That's like he did.
He did like cheeseburger.

1017
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,080
He got Burger King at the end of
the first movie, man.

1018
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:03,160
So yeah, I just, I think the
movie making gets significantly

1019
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:08,000
better in the in the last hour.
Yeah, I'm 100% with you, man.

1020
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,880
I think that the last battle is
incredible.

1021
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,280
I I think that as much as the
color palette, which has been

1022
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,560
much maligned, it rears its ugly
head in the battle.

1023
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,000
There are a few great moments
where he gives you a wide shot

1024
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:30,200
of the entire battlefield and
you like I'm thinking of the

1025
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:35,120
moment where Thanos is on the
right and it like everything is

1026
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,280
like these greens and purples
and like it looks like space

1027
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:45,200
itself has come to devour earth
and it's just a great shot, man.

1028
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:50,640
And there there's just a lot of
moments like that where I I love

1029
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,760
the end of this movie.
I'll I'll go out on a limb.

1030
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,440
I'll put myself out there, Bob,
and say the one thing that drove

1031
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,400
me nuts about this movie The
first time I saw it, the second

1032
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,440
time I saw it and the third time
that I saw it.

1033
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,520
And and The thing is, it's it's
only a foretaste of what's to

1034
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,000
come with Disney.
But like the the one moment of

1035
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,120
the battle where they're like,
let's group up all the women

1036
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,400
because women are powerful.
Did you know that, Bob?

1037
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,720
I don't, I don't know if you
knew this, but women are

1038
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,000
powerful and they can be
superheroes too.

1039
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,000
And I'm just sitting there
going, I'm not even a Marvel

1040
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,760
fan.
And I know that Captain Marvel

1041
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,760
doesn't need anybody's help.
Like they have well established.

1042
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,160
She don't need no man.
She don't need no woman.

1043
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,720
She could easily breakthrough
all of these people together,

1044
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:43,840
but they had to have this one
little moment.

1045
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,440
And it's like stuff like that
for me is what draws me out of

1046
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,560
the movie.
Like all, all the humor

1047
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,120
beforehand, all of the tonal
whiplash, which does exist,

1048
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,840
doesn't bother me as much.
Like all of that, totally fine.

1049
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,640
Makes sense.
It's a Marvel movie, but that

1050
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,560
was the moment for me that, if
I'm being honest, just

1051
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:06,560
completely rips me out of the
movie and goes, oh, Disney's

1052
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,040
being Disney.
It really does feel shoehorned

1053
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:10,640
in.
And I like, the thing about it

1054
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,080
is it doesn't bother me so much
because it's such a small moment

1055
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,560
in the movie.
And also like, you know what?

1056
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,400
I'm glad that, like, little
girls in the audience had a

1057
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,400
moment like that where they
could see all of their favorite

1058
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,280
heroes in one shot.
Like the issue with it is that

1059
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,480
everything leading up to it like
had all the women scattered in

1060
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,240
different places on the
battlefield and then

1061
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,640
conveniently.
Awesome stuff.

1062
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,320
Yes, yes, yeah.
Like doing awesome stuff, being

1063
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,800
kick ass.
Like I am all about that.

1064
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,280
It's great.
But you're right.

1065
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,240
They're all scattered across the
battlefield and all of a sudden

1066
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,680
they just all happened to be
there, ready to go.

1067
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,200
And they're the only ones there.
Yeah.

1068
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,600
And they, yeah, and I we're
talking about.

1069
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Gripes.
This is going to be my most

1070
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,920
like, People who listen to this
episode and don't know me are

1071
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:57,600
going to think that I'm like a
whole foot.

1072
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,560
I think they figured that out a
long time ago.

1073
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:08,840
Yeah, when Captain America has
the has meal near and all of the

1074
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,160
people come out of their little
portals and it's a really,

1075
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,000
really cool moment.
Like it just is.

1076
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,240
It's really cool.
And then he says Avengers

1077
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,560
Assemble.
Everybody goes, yeah, that, that

1078
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,760
moment.
You know, here's the thing.

1079
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,080
I understand that a lot of
people refer to the first

1080
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,560
Avengers film that went from
2012 as Avengers Assemble.

1081
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,760
Like that was a, a, an alternate
title for that movie.

1082
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,840
So it's a reference to that.
It makes no sense in the context

1083
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,200
of the movie because they have
already assembled.

1084
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,000
They're there already.
Like, why?

1085
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,760
Why?
He said like he could have said

1086
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,880
anything.
You just said Avengers avenge,

1087
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,000
charge, charge forward.
Yes.

1088
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,120
Anything Avengers Assemble is
the least pertinent thing to say

1089
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,840
in that moment.
Like everyone is there, captain.

1090
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,240
Like, please just lead us to
battle.

1091
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,640
It's always irked me and I like
now that we're just saying small

1092
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,400
gripes, I have to get it off my
chest.

1093
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,680
That is the silliest.
It's true.

1094
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,360
Think about it now in the
context of what I just said.

1095
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,800
It's a dumb line, Brad.
I don't think it's a dumb line.

1096
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,120
I think it's a comic book line
in reference to the comic books

1097
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,760
that these were all built upon.
Like I I mean, sure they're

1098
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:28,480
already assembled, but like.
Well, what if we just said like,

1099
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,320
what if we said like Avengers
Colon assembled like, we're

1100
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:39,120
here, we did it.
You know that that would be so

1101
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:43,320
much worse.
All right, dude, we've barely

1102
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,520
talked about the cast of this
movie, but we're running really

1103
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,240
long.
This is one of those few IMDb

1104
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:52,080
pages where they show you the
1st 16 or 20 people in the cast

1105
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:53,720
list.
And usually once you get through

1106
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,280
the first four, like actors
don't have pictures anymore.

1107
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,320
They're just, you know, random
people.

1108
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,280
It's all a list, stars all the
way down.

1109
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:06,200
And so I I just don't think we
have the time to spend to talk

1110
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,680
about certain people in this
movie.

1111
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,640
But like, you know, we're
talking Mark Ruffalo, Scarlett

1112
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,560
Johansson, Jeremy Renner.
I I think we really need to talk

1113
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,760
Evangeline Lilly is the wasp
that that's where we really need

1114
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,000
to dive in, Bob.
She's the one that I most just

1115
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,440
want to give a pat on the back
to.

1116
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,000
Like you.
You did it.

1117
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,240
You're here.
You did it.

1118
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,480
You made it.
You made it in.

1119
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,000
That's how that's how I feel
about Robin Scherbotsky.

1120
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,680
Yeah, she's in the first.
She's.

1121
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,280
Really barely in it at the end
of this movie.

1122
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,040
Yeah, It's like, hey, you,
you've made it.

1123
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,240
You did it.
Good job.

1124
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,680
Who among the cast do you want
to call fall out before we get

1125
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,920
into let's make it a double and
final scores?

1126
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,520
We've talked about RDJ, We've
talked about Renner.

1127
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,720
We've talked about Hemsworth.
I think we both really like

1128
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,160
Chris Evans as Captain America.
And they're smart enough to know

1129
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,280
who brought them here.
Like, you know, what's the

1130
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,600
saying?
Like dance with the person who

1131
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,480
brought you.
RDJ and Chris Evans get the most

1132
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,280
in this movie, and it's well
deserved.

1133
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,480
So I don't know.
Is there anybody else you want

1134
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,560
to mention?
No, I mean, I, I think Scarlett

1135
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,280
Johansson is incredible.
I I think that her sacrifice

1136
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:18,600
scene, you get to see like a
JoJo rabbit type Scarjo where

1137
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,840
she gives a depth that you don't
always get to see in her as as

1138
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:24,960
Black Widow.
So I, I love her.

1139
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,720
I think she's an incredible
actress.

1140
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:33,560
But you're right, man, Like the
entire Marvel Cinematic Universe

1141
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,440
revolves around Captain
America's view of the world and

1142
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,080
Tony Stark's.
And so the the fact that they

1143
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:46,600
really circle the wagons and
give this final movie to the two

1144
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:52,840
of them, if it feels proper, it
goes to show for me something

1145
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:56,960
they learned with the Harry
Potter franchise, which is like

1146
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,640
when you're building this
universe over a decade.

1147
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,920
They got really lucky with some
of their castings.

1148
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,160
They really did.
Like the the fact that Robert

1149
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:14,160
Downey Junior completely revived
his career because of this

1150
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,800
character.
The fact that Chris Evans

1151
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:24,640
becomes such an incredible
emblem of change from the first

1152
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:29,040
movie to the end, and yet he
still holds on to certain core

1153
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,680
values.
Like there is so much that could

1154
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,560
have gone wrong in the casting
of these films.

1155
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,720
There's a lot that could have
gone wrong in the intervening

1156
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,600
years.
Like who knows what happens to

1157
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:46,600
people over a 11-12 year span
But man O man if they didn't get

1158
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,000
these two castings right from
the start this universe would

1159
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,400
have gone nowhere.
Yeah, to the point where like,

1160
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,800
you know, I want to put Thor and
Hulk and all these people on the

1161
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,440
same plane and and level as
these two.

1162
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,600
But Thor was a franchise that
was dead in the water, man.

1163
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,520
The first one didn't work.
They tried something else with

1164
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,120
the second one and a lot of
people hate that one worse than

1165
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,920
the first one.
It wasn't until Ragnarok and The

1166
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,120
Avengers films that people
really started to appreciate

1167
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,800
Thor and like, thank God they
were able to kind of reset that

1168
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,920
franchise or else it would have
been kind of this albatross

1169
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,240
around the rest of the MCU.
But you're absolutely right that

1170
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,800
I don't think people give
especially Chris Evans enough

1171
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,720
credit in bringing the MCU to
where it got prior to the

1172
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,840
absolute Cliff that it fell off
after End Game.

1173
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,440
Well, I was, I was just going to
say like we could all agree that

1174
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:46,240
Marvel ended with end game.
Like I don't I don't know how

1175
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:50,600
anybody at Disney thought to
themselves, yeah, we can do this

1176
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,840
again.
Like I I don't know, I just

1177
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,120
think that corporate America is
so stupid in so many ways.

1178
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,200
Like I'm not even opposed to
them continuing on spin off

1179
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,320
things like that, but to expect
it to be the level of cultural

1180
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,880
impact that it once was is is
ridiculous.

1181
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,680
All right, Brad, with that final
statement, I think it's time to

1182
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,920
get into our last segment of the
day, which we call let's make it

1183
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,120
a double.
We're near the end of the

1184
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,760
episodes of Things, listening to
the film and Whiskey Show.

1185
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,480
Let's have another film with
this one, even if it's struggle.

1186
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,120
It's a final segment of the day.
Now let's make it a double.

1187
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,760
Let's Make It a Double is the
part of the show where we pick a

1188
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,520
movie to pair up with this one
to make the perfect double

1189
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,600
feature.
Brad, I'm going to go 1st.

1190
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,040
And it's it's actually funny
because I'm pairing this with a

1191
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,080
movie that is just coming out
this weekend.

1192
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,040
We're recording this 2 1/2 weeks
before the air date.

1193
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,120
So I'm talking about a movie
called Deadpool and Wolverine.

1194
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,480
And my big caveat is that I have
not yet seen this film.

1195
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,680
I'm going to see it tonight
after we record.

1196
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,520
However, I have read enough
reviews and listen to enough

1197
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:02,600
podcast reviews of this movie
now to to hear that in most

1198
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:07,160
critics minds, it is kind of
the, you know, how like Trump

1199
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,840
and Bernie Sanders are on
opposite ends of the political

1200
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,040
spectrum, but they're kind of
like really close in what they

1201
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,520
actually believe about the
government and how it should be

1202
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,560
dismantled.
It's kind of like that like end

1203
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,760
game is on one end of taking
itself too seriously.

1204
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:27,359
Everything I hear about Deadpool
and Wolverine is that it is the

1205
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:32,399
most flippant movie and it like
actively, literally insults the

1206
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:35,720
audience to their face for even
coming and says like, you'll

1207
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,040
feed whatever slop we give you.
But then it gives them a bunch

1208
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,640
of cameos of people that have
just been in superhero movies,

1209
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,240
and so they know people will eat
it up.

1210
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,800
It's really cynical.
And I know it's going to make a

1211
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,439
billion and a half dollars
anyway.

1212
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,680
And I kind of feel like those
are two sides of the same coin

1213
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:54,800
with this movie.
I don't think this movie is

1214
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,200
quite as cynical, but I think
that what Deadpool's doing, at

1215
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,880
least from everything I'm
hearing, is kind of playing the

1216
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,520
end game card.
So I think it would be really

1217
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,680
fascinating to watch these
movies back-to-back, and that's

1218
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,520
kind of what I'm going to do
tonight.

1219
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:12,880
Bob, I'm curious, how often do
you go into a movie actually

1220
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,680
blind?
I go into a movie, well, like

1221
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,160
blind blind, like I've never
heard of this film.

1222
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,439
I mean.
With a basic level of

1223
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,920
information that an average
person might have.

1224
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,439
Oh.
Like one trailer 98% of the

1225
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,479
time.
Really.

1226
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:30,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't.

1227
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,600
I don't like to listen to
reviews before I go into movies.

1228
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:38,359
Deadpool's one of those movies
that like, I don't really care

1229
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:42,479
about seeing but I need.
So you're gonna go spend $12.00?

1230
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,439
Well, I'm gonna spend a ticket
$0.00 on it 'cause I get the

1231
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,479
regal unlimited pass, so I've
already paid my money for the

1232
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:49,640
month, but.
So like.

1233
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:51,399
I've seen everything else that's
out.

1234
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:53,279
I might as well go.
You're kind of, you're kind of

1235
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:54,480
stuck.
That's why I was like.

1236
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,400
Yeah, I don't care what happens.
Let's listen to these.

1237
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,320
Reviews.
That's funny all.

1238
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,160
Right, Brad, what's your?
Let's make it a double here.

1239
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,360
I think I I'm going to go.
A more traditional route and I

1240
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,840
am going to pair this with The
Lord of the Rings.

1241
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,040
The Return of the King on terms
of scale.

1242
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:18,720
While I despise the CGI Ness of
Marvel, I think that the final

1243
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:25,040
battles of Return of the King
and the final battle of End Game

1244
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:32,560
are just these massive, epic,
super cool, beautifully shot,

1245
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,920
awesome action scenes and I and
I think that it would be a

1246
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,560
really fun law.
It wouldn't even be a night of

1247
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:47,280
watching 2 movies, it'd be an
entire day because I believe 3

1248
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:51,240
1/2 three we're we're looking at
6 1/2 hours minimum to watch

1249
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,120
those two films.
So I, I think actually I might

1250
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:58,440
just be going for the record of
longest double feature in film

1251
01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:00,920
in whiskey history for let's
make it a double.

1252
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,120
Yeah, you might as well just
suggest the extended.

1253
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,480
Edition and make it a full 7 1/2
hours.

1254
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,960
Yeah, yeah, go for it.
It'd be a blast.

1255
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,200
That's one word for it.
All right, let's give this movie

1256
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,440
some.
Final scores Brad I I think I've

1257
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:17,840
actually pulled punches here on
how much I truly hated the first

1258
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:22,520
two hours of this movie.
I thought it was just frankly an

1259
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,240
amateurish movie.
Like, I'm not saying that the

1260
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,560
CGI wasn't good in parts, that
the acting wasn't up to par, but

1261
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:36,960
it was just so cobbled together,
so wantonly thrown together and

1262
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:43,440
randomized and like it.
It blew my mind how incoherent

1263
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,160
the tone and the rhythm of this
movie were.

1264
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:50,240
I was going to come in here and
give it a four out of 10 and

1265
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,800
that was being generous.
And then the last hour.

1266
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,280
Happened and the last hour is
like an 8 1/2 to a nine out of

1267
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,240
10 for me.
It's still not enough to redeem

1268
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,440
the whole movie.
I think this is a significantly

1269
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:05,320
worse movie than Infinity War a
movie that I would give like an

1270
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,360
8 1/2 to I'm going to give end
game a six out of 10.

1271
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,480
Brad OK, that that's that's up
a.

1272
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,440
Decent amount from a four.
This movie is not a four out of

1273
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:16,960
10 Bob.
No it's not.

1274
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:25,440
I am going to give this.
I'll stick it an 8 out of 10.

1275
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,560
I'm close to an 8 1/2.
I think that there are flaws

1276
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:35,160
with this film, but there's just
so much that makes this a great

1277
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,440
end to the Marvel Cinematic
Universe.

1278
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:42,000
And I think that's what this
movie set out to do.

1279
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,520
And I think it accomplishes it.
It it starts off in a really

1280
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,960
emotional place.
It ends in a highly emotional

1281
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:55,800
place and it has all sorts of
inane, funny, great action

1282
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,760
scenes in between, you know,
even even the moment where

1283
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,320
Captain America looks around and
says Hail Hydra to the the

1284
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,480
people in the elevator.
Like, there's just cool moments

1285
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:10,920
like that that are really well
done that reward viewers for

1286
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,840
having been faithful to the
franchise for a long time.

1287
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:21,560
And I, I also think that like on
the level of story, this, this

1288
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,520
movie just got me, man.
Like I cried this time through

1289
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:31,480
watching this movie, The the
beauty of the dead coming back

1290
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:34,400
to life.
Like the idea of a resurrection

1291
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:39,840
is just a really powerful moment
in storytelling, whether or not

1292
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,840
it's undermined by time travel,
solving everybody's problems.

1293
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,120
Like it's an incredible moment
with an incredible visual.

1294
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,560
I I think that the soundtrack
throughout this film is is

1295
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:53,880
really well done.
They give you a lot of really

1296
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,800
good variations on The Avengers
theme.

1297
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,960
They riff on it a decent amount.
I I just think there's a lot to

1298
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,560
love about this film.
So I'll, I'll stick it in eight

1299
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,240
out of 10.
Bob, once again, I think that.

1300
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,920
I would say conservatively half
my.

1301
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,360
Notes did not.
Get used in this episode even

1302
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,360
though it's really long.
But I have so many thoughts

1303
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,200
about this movie.
I have so many thoughts about

1304
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,400
fanservice movies and what it
means that a movie gives you

1305
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,280
everything you expected and
whether that's necessarily a

1306
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,400
good thing.
But then if it isn't a good

1307
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,680
thing, how do we know what a
good movie is?

1308
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,800
Do you know what I mean?
I'm thinking about this a lot

1309
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:34,880
and how to differentiate a movie
that does fanservice versus a

1310
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,360
movie that is well made.
And if those two things can

1311
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,880
coexist, I was going to say, do
those things have to be

1312
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,640
diametric?
No, I don't think they do, but I

1313
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:44,920
I do think that it's worth
talking.

1314
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,760
About and so kind of like The
Last Jedi, I think this is a

1315
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,960
prime candidate of a movie to
open up a three hour podcast,

1316
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,000
you know, for us, right.
I think I really would like to

1317
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,480
sit down and kind of pick some
of this apart because this is

1318
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:02,120
probably the best example of a
movie like that that I can think

1319
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,600
of.
And I really love to explore

1320
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,680
some of that with you, man.
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm, I'm

1321
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,840
glad you didn't.
Give it a a 0 out of 10.

1322
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,760
Yeah, me too.
I'm glad that one at least.

1323
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,560
One of us is not petty and a bit
level headed.

1324
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,560
So folks, that does it for
season eight of the film and

1325
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,920
whiskey podcast.
We are ending with an average of

1326
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,280
a 7 out of 10 on Avengers end
game.

1327
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:25,920
But we'd like to know what you
think.

1328
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,480
So please let us know how wrong
I am.

1329
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,880
You can find us on social media
Facebook, Twitter, Instagram,

1330
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:37,840
TikTok, YouTube at Film Whiskey.
You forgot LinkedIn.

1331
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,640
I forgot LinkedIn.
Come on, be professional.

1332
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,960
And and find us on LinkedIn.
Why are we on LinkedIn?

1333
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,440
I don't know.
If you want.

1334
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,200
To join the conversation, if you
want to talk with like minded

1335
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,440
people who enjoy movies and
whiskey and all sorts of other

1336
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:59,280
things, you can join the
conversation on our Discord

1337
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,560
server.
There's a link to that at the

1338
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,360
end of every single one of our
show notes.

1339
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,160
Next week we will be back
closing out season. 8IN earnest

1340
01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:11,160
with our bracket challenge where
we put all 32 movies into a

1341
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,160
seated tournament style bracket,
eliminating each of them from

1342
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:19,040
existence until only one film is
left and that will be crowned

1343
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,240
the champion of season 8.
Brad, I really can't wait.

1344
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,480
Those are my favorite episodes
of every season.

1345
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,080
I'm super pumped to get into
those with you next week, man.

1346
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,520
Yeah, it's going to be an
absolute blast.

1347
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,960
Bob I.
Cannot wait to crush your hopes

1348
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:35,240
and dreams as always, so join us
next week for the.

1349
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,040
Bracket Challenge.
But until then, I'm Bob Book,

1350
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:40,800
I'm Brad G and we'll see you
next time.