Avatar / The Yamazaki 12 (with Bonus Avatar: The Way of Water Review)

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That's the OCS whisky.com in
2009, director, James Cameron,

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and star.
Sam Worthington gave the world.

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A 3D thriller that promised to
advance the world of CGI in

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unprecedented ways in 2022.
We returned to Japan to try a

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whiskey with a budget about as
large as this movie.

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The film is Avatar.
The whiskey is yamazaki 12, it

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will review them both.
This is The film and whiskey

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podcast,
welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm drinking some

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really good whiskey Bob.
You already you're diving right

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in, huh, dude?
This yamazaki is really good.

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And what's your name?
Drinker of whiskey?

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Oh, Drinker of whiskey, I like
that.

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Oh, cool.
With that.

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I'm Brad.
Gee, everybody.

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I have not tried this whiskey
yet.

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I'm very excited to dive into
it.

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Brad, we have not tried a
Japanese whisky in a long time.

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Yeah, yeah.
I'm really excited for you to

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try it, man.
There's a lot going on and when

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I looked at the price tag, Ugh.
I felt like there should be a

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lot going on.
Yeah, I think the theme tying

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together the movie and the
whiskey today is budgetary

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excess.
That's a great.

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Great term.
Thank you very much, sir.

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Yeah, today we are looking at
James Cameron's, 2009 epic of

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CGI.
Proportions Avatar.

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We're starting a mini series of
films by James Cameron who Brad

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is still on the fence about for
some reason and I don't

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understand it.
Because James Cameron is quite

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possibly, the best action
director of all time.

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And I'm hoping that by the end
of this miniseries and in

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addition to Titanic, which we've
already reviewed on this

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podcast, that Brad will come
around at least a little bit

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because it seems like, Brad
thinks of James Cameron.

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The way, most people think of
Michael Bay and I think in both

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cases, they're wrong.
But also like, don't don't don't

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do my boy, Jim Cameron like that
man.

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That's very astute.
You are 100% right on.

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Now I will say like a majority
of the reason that you seem to

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be hesitant about doing James,
Cameron is this movie.

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And so, I kind of figured like,
let's just do this one first and

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knock it out.
We'll line it up with the

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release of Avatar 2 and spoiler
alert.

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If you hang around.
Till the end of this episode, I

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will be giving my thoughts on
Avatar to.

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I'm gonna go see it opening
weekend and so I'm going to rush

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back from the theater record.
My review, tack.

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It onto the end of this episode.
Sewed.

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I asked Brad, if you would go
with me and he said, no, look,

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he's just already grunting out
Avatar.

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The way of water.
I'm not driving two hours up to

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see you spending three hours in
the theater over three hours

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plus, you know, all the other
stuff and then driving two hours

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back.
Here's here's the thing is,

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though, they're showing it in
theaters by you.

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Like I just want you to go see
it and then, let's talk about it

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afterwards.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, idea.

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Scare you away for four hours to
see a Movie is just a lot man.

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Yeah, okay, whatever.
Well, I'll be here at the end of

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the episode 2 review that.
Now, if you are new to the

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podcast, what we're doing this
season is we're doing little

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mini series of directors that we
really want to knock out some of

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their major movies on our show.
And so, like I said, we've done

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Titanic but this is going to be
our second James Cameron film.

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We're going to go back to the
mid-1980s with his classic

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aliens next week, and then we'll
finish it out with his to

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Terminator films of the original
from 4 and T 2, Judgment Day to

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wrap things up, Brad.
You've now watched Avatar and

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Titanic for this podcast, what
are your thoughts on Cameron so

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far?
As we just kind of like get

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settled into James Cameron as we
come out of David?

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Lean territory?
Hmm, David Lane he knows how to

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shoot a Vista.
Am I right?

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Yeah, so here's the thing, if
you want to know the origin of

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my bias against James Cameron,
It actually came from when I was

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like, probably 15.
Maybe 16 my best friend.

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Mike and I were awake at like
3:00 in the morning playing

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video games and we turned on the
cable and guess what was playing

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Terminator.
And at the time I had no idea

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who James Cameron was.
But I remember watching

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Terminator and I might have had
my first like movie take of all

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time and not even So about the
movies but you know how I hit

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the 80s, I do.
Yeah.

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With with a passion her
Terminator was the origin of

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that because Mike and I were
watching it at like 4:00 in the

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morning.
And we were like, why is there

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hair the way it is?
Why is the music the way it is?

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Why is there close the way it
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This is all terrible.
And so James, Cameron actually

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like started.
My take that the 80s suck.

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Wow, dude, you are coming out of
the gate with hot takes.

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When you alienate our audience,
in the first few minutes of the

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episode, you gotta Save the
Alien puns for next week

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bahahahahahaha.
All right, we'll get around to

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your bad Terminator.
Takes when we get there.

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But okay.
So now you've seen Titanic and

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you've seen Avatar.
So, you've seen Cameron at his

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most ambitious like magic.
Say yeah, romantic to, with his

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largest budget, certainly, but
also in kind of creating these

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these big big worlds, It's for
his characters to inhabit and

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Avatar is obviously like the,
the Pinnacle of that.

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So I don't know man.
What are your impressions of him

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as a director?
But also, as kind of, a crafter

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of worlds, I think that Cameron
has a really incredible ability

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to direct action.
Honestly, we'll just go back to

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the Michael Bay reference like
Michael Bay can direct him.

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The hell out of an action
sequence as can James Cameron.

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I think the the difference is
that Cameron really spends a lot

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of time giving you people to
care about in the midst of that

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action in a way that bay Doesn't
always, although I will say, I

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don't know if I've honestly seen
a lot of Bay films, like the

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main ones would have been the
first Transformers, oh gosh,

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yeah.
Do so judge him on those.

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Yeah, so I'm genuinely not
judging Bay.

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I'm just saying what I've heard.
That's like, that's like being

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like yeah, Peter Jackson, I'm
not a fan.

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Although I've only seen The
Lovely Bones.

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Like don't do that.
Oh man.

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So I guess getting back to to
Jimmy cam, I think that he is

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over-ambitious with the plot
development and he is spot-on

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with almost a Christopher Nolan
desk just swinging for the

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freaking fences when it comes to
the action and the emotional

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payoff that that action is going
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Does that make sense?
Yeah, it totally does.

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I like that comparison.
And while we're in this Zone,

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As we move into Brad explains,

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this is the part of the podcast,
where Brad breaks down the plot

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of the film that he has just
seen often for the first time

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Brad.
This was probably only your

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second time seeing Avatar.
I might have seen it twice in

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theaters.
I feel like you have very

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strongly asserted in the recent
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Like I haven't seen that movie
since the I'm never going to

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watch it again afterwards.
So that's what I'm saying.

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Like, I think I saw it twice
with friends.

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Okay.
And that and that was it since I

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saw it in theaters that was it?
I could be wrong.

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They do.
Okay.

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So you saw it twice in the
theater and now this is time to

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degree, got it.
Like it's kind of like when end

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game came out like I wasn't a
big Marvel person but I went and

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saw an opening night and I had
to dude cry behind me for half

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the movie and on Monday.
Me and to my best friends went

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and Saw it as a matinee at like
10:00 a.m. and, you know, and

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just kind of talk the whole
time.

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So it was like us and five other
people in this massive theater,

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we, you know, we just kind of
chatted and discuss things

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throughout.
So I'm like, I don't care for

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Marvel but I still went and saw
and game twice, you know, I love

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you to death.
But the more I hear about your

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movie-going habits, the more I'm
like you, you seem like the

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opposite of the ideal person to
accompany me to the movies.

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Hey, but I did go and see JoJo
rabbit in theaters.

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On a whim know.
So okay.

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So you know three years ago All
right, we have put 60 seconds on

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the clock.
Brad, you have one minute to

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break down the plot of this
movie and go Avatar is a film

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about a crippled Marine named
Jake.

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Sully who's Brother twin brother
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And now Jake is able to because
of his genetic similarities.

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Is able to take over a massive
scientific Endeavor to create an

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avatar for him, too.
Embody through his mind and

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Science and all that stuff.
So they go to this planet called

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Pandora.
He embodies this blue person who

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is a part of the navi race which
is a tall lanky blue humanoid

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race and the goal is that they
would make contact with the navi

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and help them relocate away from
the largest deposit of

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unobtainium, which is really
valuable metal.

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He becomes a navi Warrior and
ends up falling.

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In love with the princess of the
tribe and becomes one of them

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and fights for their freedom
from the evil human Sky people.

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There you go.
That's a Tatar baby, bro.

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That might be one of my best
Brad explains ever.

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That was a pretty good one.
You even use the word crippled

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in the first three seconds just
to be as unhappy, see, as

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possible avatars about a
cripple.

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I really thought about it like
the word was And out of my

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mouth, I was like, wait, what's
the right way to saying that?

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All right, let's talk James
Cameron here.

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Because, I mean, we're going to
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that will come up with James
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possible for James Cameron to be
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worldbuilders in cinema and one
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writers.
Like he and George Lucas should

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collaborate on a project.
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dialogue department.
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that people knock.
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dialogue.
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expected him to have just pure
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movie.
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to structure.
This episode would be to talk

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about your major grievances with
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listed was the dialogue, so
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No man.
Take it away.

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What what are your impressions
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I will say, as you brought up
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point in a second.
Bob, I realized that one of the

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things people talk about a lot
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they're like, more political
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I'm like, what?
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one, two and three and leap and
Lucas directed and built the

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world.
I did all that stuff.

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Emperor.
Palpatine is just like walk with

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me, talk with me.
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corridors.
Yeah, it went this, the opera

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scene would have, would not have
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I think that the dialogue and
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First off the dialogue sucks.
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It does not make me fall in love
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It honestly reminds me a little
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We're like the first half of
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to like fall in love.
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to die and in act two and like
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dialogue.
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actually pretty good.
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little more active.
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in the movie on she is
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She's great dude.
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anybody higher than like a
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Sigourney Weaver because I know
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watch Aliens next week a movie
that she is nominated for best

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actress for because she's so
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And like I know she has it in
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has not set her up for success
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early scene of her and Giovanni
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he's like come into my office
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he's like this is why we're here
unobtainium, it cost, 20 million

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a kilo or whatever he says and
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She's been here for like 15
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Like, I know that you're trying
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stakes and the MacGuffin and
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it's so bad but also unobtainium
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We can't obtain it.
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blue people.
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It's so fast.
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He was just like, you know what?
It's gonna be called

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unobtainium, and they're like
James, no, please like anything

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else.
He's like, no, it doesn't

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matter.
It's going to be a little Janie.

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Mm, I directed Titanic!
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Okay.
So we've touched on the

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dialogue, let's talk a little
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Cameron himself, by all
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He believes in himself, a lot
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Leaf comes across in many ways.
As how do I phrase this tolis -

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and a lot of people have not
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he is so I don't even miss a
full of himself but just so

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self-confident.
And have you heard the story

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about him and Neil deGrasse
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No, but those sound like two of
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that you could ever put in a
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So Neil deGrasse basically tells
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When You know, Rose is talking
to what's his face and Helios

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fallen into the ocean.
Like he's like the stars in the

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sky wrong.
That's like the Southern

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Hemisphere and, and James was
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And like, 20 years later, Neil
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Because, oh, hey, by the way
stars are still wrong.

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I noticed you did a re-release
or something and apparently,

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James pulls up Wikipedia and he
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He goes, huh?
It's made over a billion and a

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half dollars and walks away.
that's exactly how Neil deGrasse

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Tyson deserves to be treated but
like, okay, but some hundred

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percent back to Cameron He is
very confident in his abilities

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but he's also, he really has
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He worked his way up from just
being, like a crew member on

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these really, really low budget
horror films working for Roger,

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Corman to the point where he
started directing and his first

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theatrical film is called
piranhas to.

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Like it's a, you know, it's a
low-budget, crappy horror movie.

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But even in that and working on
a shoestring budget, there were

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some really ingenious things
that he was doing behind the

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scenes.
He gets this idea, DF or

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Terminator, he makes that on a
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It makes a hell of a lot of
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to cost.
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pattern that with pretty much.
Every successive movie, he gets

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more and more ambitious with the
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world.
He wants to build the studio,

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comes close to pulling the plug.
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The studio doesn't believe in
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He has to do something like
sacrifices on directors fee or

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tie it to the prophets of the
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And not take anything up front
and then lo and behold they

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always Make a ton of money and
he proved everybody wrong and

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it's like it's gotten to the
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that it almost seems
performative now and it's

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happening right now with this
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Like, so many people are
counting him out and I have no

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idea how it's going to turn out
with Avatar.

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But I've read the reports that
this is going to have to be like

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the third or fourth, highest
grossing movie of all time, just

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to turn a profit.
And I'm also like, you know

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what, like if anyone can do it,
it's James Cameron, who made

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back-to-back highest, grossing
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Ever, you're just hitting me
with all sorts of news about

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James Cameron, I think.
That Avatar did not deserve to

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make that much money.
Hmm, if I'm being very blunt.

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I think that Arie.
I mean I remember this.

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This like Bob you and I were
like 18, 19 years old and this

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was like in the prime of our
like, you know, older teenage

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years.
This was like this was set up to

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be just the introduction of 3D
to the world.

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Like all other 3D has sucked.
You know, you were wearing red

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and blue glasses from the 50s
compared to You're going to have

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now and so for me, Avatar always
will be second-rate, almost cut

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rate in my opinion because it
never lived up to its billing.

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And when I watch it, I feel like
I'm watching an animated film

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for half of it and then a
live-action film.

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When, you know, Sam Worthington
is playing his human character.

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Sure.
And so, I just like CGI has come

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a long way since then.
You know, especially because of

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what Marvel has done.
But even with the, the newest

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Marvel films, I find myself
going.

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Yes he jie.
I just isn't going to cut it for

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me.
And so in my opinion, be between

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the terrible story.
The really really rough dialogue

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the bad acting.
There's not enough in Avatar to

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me.
That justifies it wears like.

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I watched Titanic and Titanic is
a hell of a film.

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Yeah.
Truly An incredible film.

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And so I just, I don't know if I
see Avatar is deserving its

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place in the pantheon of
Hollywood.

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All right, so here are my two
thoughts on that and I'm going

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to say I'm both because I'll
probably forget the second one,

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and I'm going to need you to
help me.

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Help me recall it.
So, first, I think we need to

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talk about the historical
context that this movie gets

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released into and then,
secondly, I want to talk about

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Cameron's sort of filmmaking
prowess or like his encyclopedic

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knowledge of Cinema.
So first of all, I think you

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have to keep in mind that this
movie was so revolutionary when

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they released it that we're
watching it now through a lens

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of 13 years of technological
development that all rest on the

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shoulders of Avatar, right?
Like Iron Man comes out the year

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before Avatar. and if you just
traced Iron Man, 2 endgame

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Without Avatar, in in a vacuum,
I don't think Marvel gets there.

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I'd like Cameron was doing
something with computers that

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had really never been done
before.

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I mean, the closest that you
ever got to something like this

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where it was a completely CGI
world with motion capture is

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those crappy, Robert zemeckis
movies that like when he did The

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Polar Express and Beowulf that's
the closest I can think of

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anything and that looks horrible
and so that he can talk a little

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bit about About how like
especially in the early scenes

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of this film, I did feel like I
was watching a video game,

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cutscene a little bit like I
really did and yet there's

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something about the fact that he
uses that motion capture and

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that he does such a good job.
Even in 2009 with the way that

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he captures facial expressions
and body language that you can

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tell that these characters are
not completely built in a

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computer, they're too realistic
in the way they react to things.

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Their facial expressions really
come through and so, like, Does

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it seem a little bit chin?
See, when you comparing it to

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the very best 2022, VFX maybe.
But I also think that, like, you

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could probably release this in
the theater today.

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And it wouldn't look any worse
than 90% of the stuff we're

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getting today.
And I think that is a real

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credit to the film, you know
what I mean?

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Like you have to take a step
back and be like we're judging

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this based on 13 years of
technological, advancements that

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Only happened because this movie
worked.

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I get what you're saying, but I
had this take in 2009.

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Yeah, that's a good point.
But that's again, that's part of

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the historical context thing.
Like how many do you?

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I don't know.
If you remember the stories

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around Avatar Cameron was trying
to get the theaters of America

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to install new equipment so that
they could show his moving like

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yeah, no one had 3D equipment.
No one was sewing.

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Like high frame rate stuff.
Hello most of the digital

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projectors back then were not
even Showing movies in 4k.

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And I watched this movie on my
4K TV last night.

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Just through streaming.
So like, it probably wasn't even

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really 4K as probably 1080, this
movie looks great, dude.

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Like, I really think that it
probably looks better at home

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now because of the advancements
in technology than it looked in

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the theater in 2009, because he
was so far ahead technologically

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of what the actual I don't know,
mechanics, that were available

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on the market could even do.
Yeah, I don't know if my

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nine-year-old TV can boast the
same quality.

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I'm probably watching it at
about 2009 level.

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I come over to your house and
it's still like an old Square

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TV.
It's not far off, man.

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Like what is it?
Like think it's for like 2013.

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Oh yeah, yeah.
Oh, I think that this, this is

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just me being curmudgeonly.
Bob, I'm a crotchety.

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The old man.
I don't like CGI.

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Yeah.
Like that's 100% of bias.

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I think the other bias for me
was truly, not just the CGI, but

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the fact that this movie was
supposed to usher in the new era

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of 3D like you were when they
were trying to push 3D

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televisions.
Yep.

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Like it was all in this era and
I just always firmly from the

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start was like f.3d it sucks
until I am.

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Literally sitting in a
holographic world and it's

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happening around me.
Like, that's the only three

446
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,700
dimensional media.
I want to consume.

447
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,600
And so I guess I just beyond the
graphics being what they are.

448
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,400
And there's Beautiful Moments.
This might sound small, but the

449
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,100
little, like, Worley bugs, God,
he like touches.

450
00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:03,400
And they like flip into this.
Almost like a, like a Japanese

451
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:08,000
origami and, you know, like not
crane They look more like flying

452
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,700
jellyfish like yeah, sure.
That like beautiful.

453
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:14,900
Yeah, absolutely beautiful.
The, the trees that they like

454
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:16,800
connect to to hear the memories.
Beautiful.

455
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,300
Like there's there's parts of
this movie that are incredibly

456
00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:26,100
well done but the overall movie
is about people, whether it's

457
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:30,500
the humans or the navi and I
just think the navi don't look

458
00:26:30,500 --> 00:26:33,300
good.
All right, so let's let's go in

459
00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,100
on that a little bit because I
think you're right I think that

460
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,200
there's Something kind of
rubbery about their skin.

461
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,300
And they never for me the
moments that the navi looked.

462
00:26:42,300 --> 00:26:45,000
The worst is the moments where,
like, at the end of the movie,

463
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:48,300
where they're overseeing sending
the humans back to Earth.

464
00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:50,100
Yep.
And it looks like these are two

465
00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:52,200
completely different.
Like, this is a green screen and

466
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,100
like these people, these people
are fake.

467
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:56,100
These people are not fake and
they never look.

468
00:26:56,500 --> 00:26:59,100
They never do a good job of
making them look like they're it

469
00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:01,100
happening the same environment.
Yes.

470
00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:04,400
However, I will also say that
seeing the navi for the very

471
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,400
first time in this movie is
like, oh my God.

472
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,000
Is this house?
This movie is going to be like

473
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,300
when Jake first goes into the
Avatar, I'm like, oh God, this

474
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:16,400
is gonna be bad.
However, it kind of distracts

475
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,100
you for a little bit from the
fact that everything around them

476
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:20,900
is completely
computer-generated.

477
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,400
And like you hadn't seen
something like that.

478
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,200
Since maybe I don't know, like,
what talk about attack of the

479
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,100
Clones again.
Like that, looks like a PS2

480
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:32,700
cutscene yes.
And you like by the time that we

481
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:35,300
get to the point where we're
nearing, the end of the film,

482
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:37,100
where they're all nervous.
Vez.

483
00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:39,600
And they're kind of flying into
the battle.

484
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,700
And the one guy gives them a
head nod and he looks over at

485
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:44,000
neytiri and they're like, ready
to go into battle.

486
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,100
I was like, oh, like this is a
super immersive World.

487
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,100
None of this exists.
It's not as if they're just

488
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:55,100
rotoscope being in a blue person
in everything else.

489
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:58,300
In the shot is real, like
nothing in this shot is real.

490
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:02,300
And I think it's like it kind of
flies under the radar a little

491
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:05,700
bit.
How detailed and how good of a

492
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,200
job.
Cameron does building this world

493
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,300
visually like there.
Everything that he doesn't do in

494
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:15,700
the script to World build, he
captures perfectly visually like

495
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:19,900
you've you get to learn so much
about like the the botany and

496
00:28:19,900 --> 00:28:24,200
the biology of this planet and
even in that crappy like

497
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,500
training montage, where she's
showing him how to fall and

498
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:30,100
catch on to those big.
Leaves, as they fall down the

499
00:28:30,108 --> 00:28:33,000
canopy of the Jungle.
Like that comes back into play

500
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,900
at the end of the movie.
And it's, it's not dwelt, like,

501
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:39,000
dwelt on.
It's not something that's like

502
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,100
beaten into your skull.
It's just a nice little visual

503
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:46,600
callback and I think that camera
does a really good job using the

504
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,300
CGI in ways that you almost
forget.

505
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Everything is fake.
But if there's one thing that

506
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,000
you're right, it does still seem
fake.

507
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,600
It's the navi now, Kind of
almost willing to sacrifice

508
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,400
that, though.
Like, I would rather like it

509
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,100
reminds me of how Pixar will
make their characters look like

510
00:29:06,100 --> 00:29:09,700
cartoons, but everything else,
besides the characters looks

511
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,400
photo, realistic.
And you forget that they

512
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,600
designed that to, Bro, the, the
short film Piper.

513
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:19,100
Hmm.
With the little Saint Bernards.

514
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:21,800
Yeah.
They zoom up on the crab and the

515
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,100
bird and it looks like real
sand, right?

516
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,900
Like, it's amazing.
What Pixar can do, I I think

517
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:32,800
that the best moment with the
navi like easily the best moment

518
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:40,000
of animation and and mocap is
when neytiri pushes the the

519
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,800
douchebag other guy?
Yeah.

520
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:48,800
If you don't mind the Trope and
like crouches over Jake's, you

521
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,300
know, lifeless for the moment
body and is like snarling,

522
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,600
hissing at him.
Yep, bro.

523
00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:58,500
That that's a, that's a hell of
a moment and they capture her.

524
00:29:58,700 --> 00:30:01,400
Raza T just incredibly.
Yeah.

525
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,200
So you know, I'll give him that
they have moments.

526
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,400
So this segues into that.
Second point, I wanted to make

527
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,600
about Cameron's film making
abilities.

528
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,700
And I really went in on this and
our Titanic episode that what

529
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:17,500
makes Titanic work so well, is
that camera knows how to direct

530
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:21,000
a horror movie and those scenes
where Jack and Rose are kind of

531
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,100
Trapped Under Deck and it's just
gets quiet for a while and the

532
00:30:25,100 --> 00:30:28,500
Panic sets in and you start to
hear the croaking of the ship as

533
00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:32,200
it's the leaks come through,
it's hot, it's terrifying, dude,

534
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,300
that movie is terrifying.
And people don't remember it

535
00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:39,800
being a horror movie, but that's
half the reason it works and he

536
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,500
knows how to shoot horror.
He knows how to shoot action,

537
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:47,700
but he does it by establishing
the world and then by working

538
00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:50,500
within it in a way that makes
sense to the viewer from like a

539
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:54,400
geographic standpoint.
And it happens in this movie

540
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,100
too.
And I think the thing that you

541
00:30:56,100 --> 00:31:00,000
really have to carry over is
think about The best sequences

542
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,000
in Titanic, and how he shot
those and then, how he does the

543
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,200
exact same thing here, but he
isn't working with real sets.

544
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,700
He's building all of it in a
computer, and I think it's

545
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:15,500
almost more admirable that he
brings out so much emotion and

546
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:21,200
so much Clear action on screen
because, honestly, Brad, we've

547
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,400
seen so many of these DC and
Marvel movies, now that you see

548
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,900
the behind-the-scenes pictures,
and they look just like Avatar,

549
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,100
like it's just A guy on strings
with blue all around him and

550
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:35,200
they fill everything in.
But, you know, when you go see a

551
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,700
movie, like, what's the one that
just came out with The Rock

552
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:40,600
black?
Adam, everything looks flat,

553
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,900
everything looks grey, there is
no sense of geography.

554
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:47,200
There's no sense of like wait to
the things that they interact

555
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,000
with on screen because it's also
fake.

556
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:53,200
And this movie, there are so
many moments where I'm like, oh

557
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,000
yeah, the navi looked fake but I
forget that everything they're

558
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,400
interacting with on screen is
also fake.

559
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:01,000
And so I don't know, man.
I just feel like you have to

560
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:06,400
give Cameron Credit even if you
don't like cg4 doing more with

561
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,500
CG than almost any director in
terms of making it feel

562
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,700
cinematic, I mean, does the
credit kind of shift away from

563
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:19,000
Cameron then into the, you know,
computer Graphics team?

564
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,500
Oh, I'm sure.
But you know, he's certainly the

565
00:32:21,508 --> 00:32:23,900
kind of guy that has his
fingerprints all over that too.

566
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:25,000
Yeah, no.
Yeah.

567
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,500
You're right.
He's definitely Festa Deus about

568
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,100
His movies.
But I yeah I guess I'm just not

569
00:32:33,100 --> 00:32:37,600
quite on the same page as you
Bob because I don't respect CGI.

570
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:40,600
Yeah.
That much and that like I don't

571
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,100
know if that's just like douchey
of me to say because I know it

572
00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:45,700
takes an incredible amount of
work.

573
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,600
Like I read an article the other
week about how Marvel is just

574
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:55,400
grinding the CGI Community into
the dust and how how brutal it's

575
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,900
been to work for them.
And you know, all this stuff is

576
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:03,600
like, I know it takes Incredible
amount of work to bring these

577
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,500
places to life and I don't want
to discredit that at all.

578
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:11,200
What I'm saying is I watch a
movie like, Lord of the Rings

579
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,300
that has a similar epic feel to
it.

580
00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:18,400
The, you know, as what Cameron
is shooting for here and I never

581
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,300
once have to believe like, I
think to myself, how does this

582
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:26,600
feel realistic or not?
And yet with any movie that is

583
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:30,100
like largely CGI, I find myself
going.

584
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,100
Now that doesn't look really.
Yeah, that's that's oh yeah.

585
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,100
And it just it reduces from the
movie going experience for me

586
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,400
and so I'm with you, I like it's
crazy amount of work.

587
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,200
There's a lot of it.
That's really beautiful but I'd

588
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,000
rather see real stuff.
I'm more of a lean Ian if you

589
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,200
will.
Yeah, I mean I'm with you there.

590
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,100
I just think that there is
something to be said, you know,

591
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,600
I just saw today that Cameron is
Cameron is really out here just

592
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:02,300
hitting me.
All with left, hooks left and

593
00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:05,000
right.
Like, he's just non Marvel all

594
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,000
over the place and he's talking
about how, you know, like

595
00:34:08,100 --> 00:34:10,600
they're fully CG characters.
Just don't have the level of

596
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,199
expression of the navi,
especially in this new movie,

597
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,500
which to be fair.
I have not seen to verify, but I

598
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:20,600
read the comments as I tend to
do and I shouldn't, and of

599
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,199
course, it's like a bunch of
Marvel Bros.

600
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,900
Who are like, can you even
imagine if Marvel, took 13

601
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,100
years, to make a sequel to
Infinity War?

602
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,100
Like, Cameron took?
And I was like, I I wish Marvel

603
00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:37,100
had taken 13 years, like hahaha.
Because even if even if this CGI

604
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:41,100
as we get older Brad, if if it
shows its age and it looks

605
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:45,199
crappy 50 years from now, it
will still when we hold it up

606
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:49,100
against its peers you can see
the level of care and attention

607
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,400
to detail and there's a reason
that it took so long for them to

608
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,699
make this movie and like yeah, I
think you have to separate out

609
00:34:55,699 --> 00:35:02,200
the quality by 2022 standards
from Cameron versus his peers

610
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,000
and it gets back to your point
about the 3D stuff too.

611
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Like the reason 3D sucks is
because as soon as Cameron did

612
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,200
all the heavy lifting and did
all the work to get it in place,

613
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,800
then 50 copycats or not even
copycats but opportunists came

614
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,700
after him and dumped crappy
versions of 3D into movie

615
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:22,100
theaters.
And so after a couple of years

616
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,300
we were all sick of it because
they did a steady job.

617
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,700
And I remember when they
re-released Titanic in 3D

618
00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:32,600
because Cameron had gone back in
and Ernst achingly added depth

619
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:37,800
and layers to the 3D like by
hand, essentially, and that

620
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,700
movie looked amazing in 3D.
And I think the thing I'm like,

621
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,700
you just have to acknowledge
that.

622
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,100
A lot of the things that Cameron
has helped Pioneer.

623
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:52,200
We ston now but it's because
we're jaded at the people who

624
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,000
came after Cameron and took
advantage of how hard he works

625
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,500
by giving us a subpar product.
And I think sometimes we Back on

626
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:05,200
to Cameron's stuff.
Things that aren't really fair

627
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,600
to him because if everybody had
been as painstaking about the 3D

628
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,400
or the CGI or whatever as he had
that I think we'd have a lot

629
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,300
better, cinematic movies like
this, to talk about, you mean

630
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:22,500
that people are prone to cut
Corners to try and make a quick

631
00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:26,900
buck in Hollywood you say
Hollywood no, dude, I don't know

632
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,100
if I'll ever have another place
to talk about this.

633
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,300
I had just forgotten.
Forgotten about the 3D

634
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:37,900
re-release epidemic that happens
10 to 15 years ago and yet, I

635
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:42,500
remember going to see Jurassic
Park in theaters because I was

636
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,500
like, it's being re-released in
3D, but I'm like, when will I

637
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,700
have a chance to seize, your
assets, your ass, in the park,

638
00:36:48,700 --> 00:36:51,800
in the theaters ever again in my
life and I couldn't have

639
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,000
anticipated the pandemic, and
how you can now rent theaters,

640
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,700
and, and all that.
But like, I went to see that I

641
00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,200
went to see the Star Wars
prequels rear, Least in theaters

642
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,900
even though I saw those in
theaters as like a, you know, 10

643
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:06,800
11 12 year old, I was like, when
will I have a chance to see

644
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:14,100
these in theaters again, and yet
for the 3D so bad, it was so

645
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,700
bad, man.
All right, hey, let's hit pause

646
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:21,500
here, let's drink this.
Yamazaki, what do you say we're

647
00:37:21,500 --> 00:37:26,300
like 35 minutes in this episode.
Let's do it.

648
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:34,300
Alright.
Today we are trying the yamazaki

649
00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:37,200
12-year Brad.
This is our first Japanese

650
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,500
whiskey of the season.
I think I don't think we've had

651
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:42,200
any other this season.
Have we probably only like our

652
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,000
fourth or fifth overall.
Here's the thing is Japanese.

653
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,700
Whisky is finally starting to
become more popular in the

654
00:37:48,707 --> 00:37:53,500
United States and as I go to the
liquor store, like the Japanese

655
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:56,500
whiskey section has expanded
from like four.

656
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,500
Holes to four shelves, do
anything?

657
00:38:00,500 --> 00:38:02,600
Like there's probably 50 of them
now.

658
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,700
It's still the smallest whiskey
section in the store and so I

659
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,300
struggled to know what's what or
what to try.

660
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:12,300
It's also pretty pricey.
Like, it's probably even pricier

661
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:15,000
than Scotch if you're like
taking it as like a one-to-one

662
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,900
ratio and considering import
fees and all that.

663
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:21,200
So I just don't know a lot about
Japanese whiskey.

664
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,900
But I also don't think we've
ever really tried a bad one.

665
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:27,000
Brad yeah everything that we've
tried has Good.

666
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,300
I mean, heck the which one was
it?

667
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:32,300
That had the awesome know, the
Nica's golden gold.

668
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:37,700
Yeah, that was that was just
really, really cool and I yeah I

669
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:40,400
think that every single Japanese
whiskey we've had--we've at the

670
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,300
very least been like oh, this is
like really solid and if not

671
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:47,300
really, really good.
Well, this one today is a beast

672
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,000
and it is known for being one of
the best offerings to come out

673
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,800
of Japan.
The yamazaki Distillery is

674
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,400
pretty famous, it's owned by
suntory.

675
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,700
Why?
So we get to say for relaxing

676
00:38:58,700 --> 00:39:02,000
times, make it suntory time
which I come on I love doing

677
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,400
that every time we get a chance.
Let's go.

678
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Bill Murray.
They've been releasing this

679
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,300
product since 1984 dates for 12
years at The yamazaki.

680
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:13,200
Distillery, it's 100% malted
barley in the mash Bill Brad,

681
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,000
what is this clocking in?
At proof wise Bob.

682
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,300
This bad boy is clocking in at
86, proof points, just like with

683
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,400
Scotch, we talked a lot about
how you don't usually get high

684
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,500
proof points.
Now, there's always exceptions.

685
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,000
Options, there's Nika straight
from the barrel, which people, I

686
00:39:30,008 --> 00:39:32,300
think it's called which people
really, really like.

687
00:39:32,700 --> 00:39:35,700
So we're going to try this one.
It's 86 proof, Brad.

688
00:39:35,700 --> 00:39:38,200
You've already been sippin on it
and raving about it.

689
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,300
What do you picking up on the
nose here, dude?

690
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:46,400
The nose is honey, just all
sorts of nice thick, honey,

691
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,300
cherry vanilla Oak.
And then on the, on the back

692
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:52,900
end, after I sat with him for a
while, I got a lot of cinnamon

693
00:39:52,900 --> 00:40:00,700
coming through I this is an
incredible knows Bob, I give it

694
00:40:00,707 --> 00:40:04,600
a 9 and a half out of ten.
It's very delicate and it really

695
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,900
toes.
The line between a nice bright

696
00:40:07,900 --> 00:40:10,800
Irish whiskey and like an
entry-level Scotch, like there's

697
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,800
not a lot of smokiness to it and
I'm not even talking about Pete,

698
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,800
but I'm talking about that kind
of like weightiness you get with

699
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,800
Scotch even at the kind of the
lower levels of scotch.

700
00:40:21,100 --> 00:40:22,700
This definitely keeps it nice
and bright.

701
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:24,500
There's a lot of floral NE To
it.

702
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,700
There's I'm definitely getting
some Citrus, I think you're

703
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:31,000
right about orange.
I think that there's some melon

704
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,500
here as well.
I'm getting a little bit of

705
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:35,100
Honey Dew on this.
I really like it.

706
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,400
I just don't know, like in a
vacuum.

707
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:43,100
If you put like, 10 similar
smelling whiskies in a row, I

708
00:40:43,107 --> 00:40:44,500
don't know that.
There's anything about this.

709
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:47,100
That's making me like go crazy.
I know you gave it a 9 and a

710
00:40:47,107 --> 00:40:49,400
half but for me this is kind of
like, oh, this is a really,

711
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,100
really nice bright Irish whiskey
sent.

712
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:54,000
So I'm only going to give it a
seven and a half.

713
00:40:54,500 --> 00:41:01,900
The nose man, you're crazy, Bob
go home the the palette here.

714
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,900
I think that you get a lot of
vanilla and honey up front.

715
00:41:05,900 --> 00:41:09,600
There was a there is a bunch of
like coconut refreshing

716
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,200
sweetness in the middle.
And then at the at the back end

717
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,800
of my tongue, I got a little bit
of Oak with some like lightly

718
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,400
roasted coffee beans.
It got just a tiny bit of that

719
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,700
cocoa at the very end and I I
died.

720
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,800
Once again was a huge fan of the
palette here and gave it a 9 and

721
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,900
a half out of ten.
This is interesting.

722
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,600
I followed you like through the
mid palate and you're notif.

723
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,300
Coconut was interesting because
I wasn't picking it up at first

724
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:40,900
but it almost has more of like a
coconut water.

725
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,100
Hmm.
Like it's not sweet but it's

726
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,000
almost like that husk of coconut
kind of thing.

727
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,200
I really like that it does get
kind of hokey on the back end

728
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,300
and for me there was just the
faintest little wisp of I

729
00:41:53,308 --> 00:41:56,500
couldn't tell if it was
Raspberry or strawberry, but it

730
00:41:56,500 --> 00:42:00,000
almost reminded me of, like, a
strawberry short cake with

731
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,700
coconut shavings on top.
Really interesting, really,

732
00:42:03,700 --> 00:42:05,300
really good.
Not at all.

733
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:07,800
Like the nose though, not.
I don't get any of that Citrus.

734
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,400
I don't get any of the, the
melon that I got.

735
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:14,900
So very different, but still
really consistent.

736
00:42:14,900 --> 00:42:16,500
If that makes sense.
I'm going to give it an eight

737
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:23,200
point five on the palate, Bob
with his oxymoronic tasting

738
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,000
notes.
Differently consistent, if you

739
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,700
will.
I think that it's slightly tails

740
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:32,800
off.
At the end of this experience.

741
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,100
It leaves you with a really
beautiful honey and I almost got

742
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:40,700
like a little bit of pear on the
back end, it doesn't turn bitter

743
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:43,500
at all.
It does get a little bit, okey

744
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,700
it just didn't have quite enough
punch.

745
00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:51,700
I think if this was like 90
proof or 92 proof, it would it

746
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:55,300
would last a little longer
throughout the Hold drinking.

747
00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:58,000
I think I gave it an eight and a
half on the finished.

748
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,600
Bob.
Yeah man I really like the

749
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,900
finish on this.
It get Sookie towards the back.

750
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:06,500
I think some of that almost like
almost smokiness comes out there

751
00:43:06,900 --> 00:43:10,800
but it's more of just like a
nice burnt wood kind of thing.

752
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,200
And like so you're really
getting the inside of the barrel

753
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,500
here with the Finish.
But then there's a layer of a

754
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,100
can't quite place it Brad.
But it's like some sort of

755
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:24,000
almost a candy for me.
Just a wisp of it way out.

756
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,100
After I swallow that shoots back
up my tongue.

757
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:32,500
It almost reminds me of like,
the, like the green Laffy Taffy.

758
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,200
Like there's a, there's like a
like a sour apple kind of thing

759
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,800
going on.
And its really, really good and

760
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,700
it's super refreshing and so at
every point in this tasting, I'm

761
00:43:44,700 --> 00:43:47,500
getting fruit coming through and
that's what's keeping this from

762
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:51,000
being just kind of like a
generic scotchie taste.

763
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,100
And you know, you had that knows
that note of Did coconut.

764
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:58,200
I had melon, I had orange.
We talked about strawberries, we

765
00:43:58,207 --> 00:44:00,500
talked about raspberries we've
talked about Apple at this

766
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,300
point.
This is a super complex whiskey

767
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,400
especially at only 86 proof and
like, a good scotch.

768
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:09,600
I actually don't think it needs
to be higher proof.

769
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,700
I think the alcohol makes itself
known in this feels full-bodied

770
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:17,500
enough and complex enough that I
don't just think making it more

771
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:21,000
potent would do a lot to add to
the flavor.

772
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,900
And in fact I think it might
mask some of these more subtle.

773
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:27,500
Flavors were getting here.
So I've actually let me get my

774
00:44:27,500 --> 00:44:29,400
Square.
I'm gonna bump it up to a 9 on

775
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,800
the Finish.
Yeah, I just think just a few

776
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,600
more proof points would lengthen
the experience all the way

777
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,400
through the finish?
That that's all.

778
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:41,300
Well, you're wrong.
So we gonna do that.

779
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:46,100
I think that the balance is a
nine and a half out of ten like

780
00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:51,700
this is an incredible balance of
like delicate complexity that

781
00:44:51,700 --> 00:44:55,800
never overwhelms itself and I I
was really impressed with what

782
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,900
they're doing here.
Yeah I'll also give it a nine

783
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,300
point five.
I was going to give it a 9 but I

784
00:45:00,308 --> 00:45:03,600
like what you said it is a.
It's a balance of a lot of

785
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,800
delicate flavors and that's part
of why I think that increasing

786
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,100
the proof really would swallow
some of those up.

787
00:45:10,100 --> 00:45:11,800
I don't think I've ever had a
whiskey.

788
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:15,100
That reminded me of so many
different fruit flavors at so

789
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:17,500
many different points of the
tasting experience.

790
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:23,000
It is a really complex very
delicate whiskey that man.

791
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,100
I really would recommend commend
anyone to try tasting this.

792
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:28,900
So I'm gonna give it a nine and
a half and that gets us into

793
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:31,700
value, which is where things are
going to go a little bit

794
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:36,300
sideways.
Hmm, I think that, if you get

795
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:42,300
this at price it is priced at
$180 in the state of Ohio.

796
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:49,100
If you're able to find this for
180 bucks, a you're not in the

797
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:52,000
mid-tier whiskey range.
Like, if you're going to spend

798
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,800
over 100 $150 on a whiskey, you
know what you're getting into.

799
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,700
So I'm pricing it for those
types of people.

800
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,900
Hmm.
I would give it an 8 and a half.

801
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Wow, at $180.
Wow, I think that if you're

802
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,900
going to spend this much on a
whiskey, it had better be a damn

803
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:09,800
good whiskey.
And I think that this delivers,

804
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,500
you know, even if I wish it was
a few points higher on the proof

805
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:14,900
range.
Like I think this is an

806
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:19,000
incredible whiskey.
The problem runs in that you run

807
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,100
into is the fact that you can't
really find this for 180 bucks.

808
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:26,400
You can find it for 350 to 500
dollars.

809
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,000
And at that point, I'm like,
Like, like I, it's not worth

810
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,200
that much money.
Bob, yeah.

811
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,300
And here's the thing is like, we
haven't had enough Japanese

812
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:41,500
whiskey to say, like, how this
fits in amongst its peers.

813
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:44,600
Like we're really only comparing
this to Irish and scotch, and

814
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,600
that's mostly just because of
the mash bill.

815
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,600
And if this was a scotch, I'd be
like 180s too much.

816
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,100
You can get better Scotch for
cheaper, but I don't know that

817
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:57,800
that's true for Japanese.
So this is really hard because

818
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,000
part of me wants to get it like
a five-and-a-half on value,

819
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,100
you're giving it an eight and a
half.

820
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:04,000
I think I'll split the
difference here.

821
00:47:04,300 --> 00:47:08,100
I'll give it a seven on value
180, is more than I would pay

822
00:47:08,100 --> 00:47:11,700
for, almost any whiskey.
And so, I really don't think

823
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:16,700
that I would shell out $180 for
this, but it is probably the

824
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:19,300
most complex.
Japanese whiskey that we've had

825
00:47:19,300 --> 00:47:21,900
so far.
And I would heartily recommend

826
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:25,300
trying it, assuming you can get
a poor of it for less than,

827
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:29,500
like, 30 or 40 bucks.
Yeah, yeah, I'm in the same

828
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,800
place.
Like if you can get a bottle of

829
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,200
it, you know, and split it
between you and two other three,

830
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,200
you know, two or three other
people like, great go for it.

831
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,100
If you're able to buy yourself
awesome.

832
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,900
But yeah, if you can find a poor
for twenty to thirty dollars, I

833
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,700
think this is a really good
whiskey and worth the

834
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:47,500
experience.
All right, what do you coming

835
00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:51,000
out?
To bread, I might at 45.5 out of

836
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,400
there now.
So you're at your over, the 90

837
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,000
Mark here.
Yeah.

838
00:47:56,100 --> 00:47:58,200
I'm at a 91 out of 100.
Holy shit.

839
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:02,400
Okay I am at a 41.5 so I'm a
little bit lower than you but

840
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:08,700
that still brings us out to an
87 out of 100 or 43.5 out of 50.

841
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,100
Now anything over 35 is where we
typically start recommending

842
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:15,600
anything over a 40 is, like, you
gotta try it or get a bottle.

843
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,100
And I think again, you know, if
you can Find it.

844
00:48:18,100 --> 00:48:20,200
And you're willing to Shell out
that much money to have a really

845
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,500
good Japanese whiskey.
It might be worth it, but it is

846
00:48:23,500 --> 00:48:26,800
certainly worth trying.
And I would recommend that with

847
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,700
no hesitation, yeah, easily
recommend it along with a movie

848
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:35,100
that I don't know if I'd
recommend Bob.

849
00:48:35,100 --> 00:48:39,200
Whoa, okay, let's get back into
talking about Avatar.

850
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:46,400
Yeah, let's get to it, man.
All right, everybody.

851
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,500
That was yamazaki 12 and
expensive whiskey.

852
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:53,300
That pretty much is worth it.
Bob, yeah, nice.

853
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:54,600
I mean, pretty much.
Yeah.

854
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,000
No, that's a good way one
rephrasing.

855
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,800
It is pretty much worth it.
You know what else is?

856
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,900
Pretty much worth the cost of
admission, Bob, I don't Canada's

857
00:49:03,900 --> 00:49:07,800
favorite segments of the podcast
to fax in a falsehood.

858
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,400
I'm getting to the point where I
just don't enjoy this anymore.

859
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:14,400
Your Being me week in and week
out I need to start cheating.

860
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:17,400
Yeah, you probably should have
you need to start eating?

861
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,000
You're not trying.
I was gonna say I need to start

862
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,000
employing the Brad G quite of
Destiny approach.

863
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:28,700
We're bro, I will not.
Have you impugn my honor in such

864
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:30,700
a way?
If there's anything I take

865
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:36,900
seriously.
It's chance, what a quote that's

866
00:49:36,900 --> 00:49:39,300
a quote of the Season.
All right, let's hop into two

867
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:42,300
facts in a falsehood.
This is where Rad presents three

868
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,300
items to meet as fact, one of
which is completely made up.

869
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,900
And I have to try to guess which
one is the lie.

870
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,700
So Brad, hit me with your two
facts and a falsehood.

871
00:49:51,500 --> 00:49:56,200
Alrighty, Bob, fax number one in
preparation for the film Cameron

872
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,400
had the cast do long hikes
through the jungles on some of

873
00:49:59,408 --> 00:50:02,200
the Hawaiian islands and on
these hikes.

874
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Zoe Saldana would wear a warrior
outfit with a tail appendage to

875
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,100
help her gain confidence in her
role.

876
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:13,300
So you're telling me she's she's
a furry.

877
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,500
Hey man, this is like 2008.
All right, there weren't such

878
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:22,200
thing as for his back fact,
number two.

879
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,200
Zoe Saldana is reunited in
Avatar with Joel David Moore,

880
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,900
who plays Norm, who also played
a small role on the pirate crew

881
00:50:32,100 --> 00:50:35,600
of 2003's Pirate of the
Caribbean curse of the Black

882
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,700
Pearl.
Nice fact.

883
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:40,700
Number three.
Zoe Saldana has appeared in.

884
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,900
In three out of the five highest
grossing films of all time a

885
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,800
feat, not achieved by any other
performer.

886
00:50:48,300 --> 00:50:52,100
Her films have grossed more than
11 billion worldwide.

887
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,200
I think three is true, right?
Because I mean she's definitely

888
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,500
got this.
She's definitely got endgame and

889
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:06,100
I assume Infinity Wars up there.
I'm not going to tell you if

890
00:51:06,107 --> 00:51:08,000
it's true or not.
Bob well, I'm just kind of

891
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,400
talking out loud because that
I'm gonna really be pissed if

892
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,200
you're like Infinity Wars number
seven, huh.

893
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:17,400
I'm gonna assume 3 is true for
now, okay.

894
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:20,800
Number two sounds like it could,
be plausible.

895
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,200
I mean she did play a small part
in that movie and so did.

896
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,900
Well I don't know if the other
guy did but sounds plausible.

897
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:34,900
Number one about Zoe Saldana
being a furry Maybe just because

898
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:37,200
I really did.
See my like Zoe Saldana, she

899
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,000
seems very genuine and
down-to-earth and I just don't

900
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,200
want to think that she would do
that kind of a thing.

901
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,000
And I'm like, reading into it.
Like it's just, she just wore a

902
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,300
tail.
She wasn't actually a furry but

903
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,300
I'm like, no.
Not my girls though.

904
00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,500
The the furry fastest thing.
Yeah.

905
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:56,700
I'll say number one is a
falsehood and I have no other

906
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:58,900
reason for that.
Then like I just don't see, Zoe

907
00:51:58,900 --> 00:52:01,600
doing that.
But I don't know her at all and

908
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,200
that's my answer.
According to IMDb fact, number

909
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:15,800
one is a truth. 100% true Faith
news, which was the falsehood

910
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,000
was.
So I'm not going to lie, I was

911
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,900
doing research on Zoe Saldana
because I decided that she

912
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:24,200
should be the theme because she
was the best actor in the movie.

913
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,500
And so I did not know that she
was in Pirates of the Caribbean.

914
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,600
So I completely made up that
Joel, David Moore was also in

915
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:39,600
that movie As this movie was
playing out, I had to look up

916
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:44,100
Joel David Moore because when he
was in his Avatar body at the

917
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:47,000
end of the movie, mmm.
And he was like on Horseback and

918
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,900
firing a machine gun and then he
was like getting knocked off his

919
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:54,500
horse and going.
Whoa I was like oh my God, I

920
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:59,000
think that that guy played
linguine in Ratatouille.

921
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:05,600
Oh that's the Ratatouille guy.
Is it turns out his not but It

922
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,800
was a lot of fun out there.
Bob well but it ruined part of

923
00:53:08,808 --> 00:53:11,100
the ending of the movie for me
because then I could only think

924
00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:16,300
about Linguini from Ratatouille
in like on Pandora like just

925
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:19,200
running around like little chef.
What are you doing?

926
00:53:20,100 --> 00:53:24,700
It's like at the end of I guess
that's been out for a little

927
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:26,600
while at the end of everything
everywhere.

928
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,700
All at once with raccoon,
raccoon e.

929
00:53:29,700 --> 00:53:31,300
Yeah.
They're just running through the

930
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:34,800
forest.
Oh man, fun fact.

931
00:53:35,100 --> 00:53:38,500
Old David Moore, my wife is
watching this and she heard his

932
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:41,200
voice ago.
So he's somebody and immediately

933
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,900
starts Googling it.
He was a regular on the TV show

934
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:48,000
Bones for anybody.
Any bones fans out there?

935
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:51,200
Yeah, yeah, cool.
Thanks.

936
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,300
Thanks, Haley.
All right, come Brad.

937
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,600
We've talked a lot about this
movie.

938
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,300
Do you have anything else?
You really want to say or should

939
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,000
we just kind of go right in to
make it a double?

940
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,700
Wow, I think one of the few
takeaways I had From this movie

941
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:08,200
that I think might be unique to
me.

942
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,600
I mean, it's the internet.
So nobody has original thoughts.

943
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:17,200
One of the things I found myself
pondering, as I watched this

944
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,900
film was in the midst of kind of
the the training sequence.

945
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:26,600
If you will when you know Jake
Sully is going through the

946
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,700
rights of becoming a navi
Warrior or you know, whatever

947
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:35,700
the name of their tribe is.
I realize I was, like, our

948
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:38,300
culture, the Western culture in
general.

949
00:54:38,300 --> 00:54:41,300
I, you know, I can't necessarily
speak for like, France or

950
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:44,100
Germany or Britain, but I feel
like this might be true for them

951
00:54:44,100 --> 00:54:49,500
as well.
We don't really have any healthy

952
00:54:49,500 --> 00:54:55,900
Rites of Passage for what it
means to be a man or a woman in

953
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:59,000
our culture.
And I think that there's

954
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,200
something really powerful about
having a clear-cut pathway.

955
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,700
Of like hey these are the
things.

956
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:09,900
It takes to be a man in our
culture or a woman in our

957
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:14,600
culture and I know that that
might I'm not trying to be

958
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,800
controversial here.
I know that being a man and a

959
00:55:16,808 --> 00:55:20,700
woman is in a very unique place
in America right now.

960
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:26,900
But I guess if I had to broaden
it out the navi, have a very

961
00:55:26,900 --> 00:55:33,200
specific understanding of how
you gain purpose and meaning.

962
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,200
In your life and our culture
doesn't really have that.

963
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,600
And I think that Avatar actually
really gives you a beautiful

964
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:45,600
picture of the importance of
community and helping people

965
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,900
know why they are here on this
Earth.

966
00:55:48,900 --> 00:55:51,700
Yeah, I don't know.
Is that like way too deep for

967
00:55:51,700 --> 00:55:53,400
Avatar?
I don't think it's too deep.

968
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,000
I think that because you and I
come from a like Christian

969
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,600
Church background.
I think we might need to add

970
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,400
context to what you're saying
because I think I know what

971
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:08,300
you're getting at which is Like
we don't really have rights that

972
00:56:08,300 --> 00:56:13,800
indicate like already or coming
of A tes.

973
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:19,300
Yes and yeah I mean we kind of
do in like a very casual way,

974
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:20,700
right?
Like we have your high school

975
00:56:20,700 --> 00:56:23,000
graduation and like you know if
you're Jewish you have your bar

976
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,400
mitzvah.
But like even that in America

977
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:29,500
has become secularized to the
point where like I'm 13 now.

978
00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:31,100
So it's my bar mitzvah, you know
what I mean?

979
00:56:31,100 --> 00:56:33,200
Like, it's not so much.
Give me presents.

980
00:56:33,300 --> 00:56:37,100
He's right and so I get what
you're saying, you know, we

981
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:39,400
before we press record you were
kind of kicking this idea around

982
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,100
with me and you talked about
how, you know, even on Pandora.

983
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:47,500
It's like okay now that you have
achieved this this level or

984
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:50,800
whatever and you have been
considered a man quote-unquote.

985
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:53,700
Now you can choose a woman and
we were talking about like the

986
00:56:53,700 --> 00:56:55,500
dangerous gender politics of
that.

987
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:58,900
But but also, I think there's
something to be said about like,

988
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:06,800
You are not ready to pick a life
partner until you're mature

989
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,200
enough in all these other areas.
And so like it seems super

990
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,600
regressive, right?
But then there's also the idea

991
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,100
of like there does need to be
some sort of, how do you know?

992
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:21,800
Yeah, not standard, but like, a
rival into adulthood and we do a

993
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,800
really bad job at that in
America and I think Cameron, you

994
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,700
know, to his credit and he he
does beat you over the head with

995
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:29,000
it.
And these are themes that we

996
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:30,900
will see.
All through his movies,

997
00:57:30,900 --> 00:57:34,300
especially in Aliens next week.
And he talks about it himself

998
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:39,600
that the idea of a greedy
Corporation who is also backed

999
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,600
by military force and your
Heroes, having to go up against

1000
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,400
that to win the day.
Like that's all through here.

1001
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,900
Cameron really hates the idea of
like the military being used by

1002
00:57:49,900 --> 00:57:53,100
force and he really, really
hates greedy billionaires, which

1003
00:57:53,100 --> 00:57:57,600
is why he take such pleasure in
like sticking it to the Man and

1004
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,500
given them the finger, every
time he makes a movie.

1005
00:57:59,700 --> 00:58:02,000
Cause he's like, I'm going to
make it for a billion dollars

1006
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,500
and there's nothing you can do
about it.

1007
00:58:03,500 --> 00:58:07,200
What's the name of the?
What's the name of Kate

1008
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,900
Winslet's fiance in Titanic?
Oh, that one's name is in the

1009
00:58:11,908 --> 00:58:14,500
movie but it's Billy Zane Factor
do it, bro.

1010
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,800
Billy Zane's performance.
Represents everything you're

1011
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,700
talking about.
Yes, exactly.

1012
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,700
So yeah, I like I like that you
pointed it out.

1013
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:25,500
I don't think it's really a
major theme in the movie, but I

1014
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:29,500
think it gets back to this idea
of something that is Holy

1015
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,800
Foreign to American eyes and
ears that actually writes have

1016
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,100
some value to it.
Yeah, I will say the whole like

1017
00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:44,400
transferring Consciousness from
one being to another had, some

1018
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,900
real weird Vibes to it and I
didn't know how I felt about it.

1019
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:53,900
Well even just the idea of like
they built the navi from a

1020
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:55,500
mixture.
The and this is the thing about

1021
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:56,800
Cameron.
He's like, I'm not going to

1022
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,400
dwell on the how like we're just
going to get into the bodies and

1023
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,900
then Then The Wonder of this
world is hopefully going to

1024
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:06,200
sweep you up and I kind of
respect it because it's like at

1025
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,000
the end of the day, who cares?
Yeah.

1026
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
And he kind of knows who cares
but the way they try to gloss

1027
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,200
over it which is like we built
these things from a combination

1028
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:21,900
of your DNA and Navi DNA.
And I'm like, that's not weird.

1029
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:26,600
It's a little weird.
But also like how do the mines

1030
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,700
actually sync up?
They don't really, I mean, you

1031
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:30,900
get into a machine and then your
mind is just synched up and I'm

1032
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:37,500
like how but also Why didn't
they just synthetically build

1033
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:41,700
Navi if they have Navi DNA?
And then just like, educate them

1034
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,400
if you know what I mean to go be
emissaries.

1035
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,100
Like why did you have to develop
this whole program where they

1036
00:59:47,107 --> 00:59:49,700
have to be mind-controlled by?
He'll it just seems so much

1037
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:53,200
easier to just be like, hey
Sigourney Weaver, like just

1038
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,400
teach the new train, nothing
mean I don't get, we're getting

1039
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,600
we're getting right back to
attack of the Clones.

1040
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,600
Why don't you just hire the
cloners on kamino?

1041
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:05,900
To make look loan.
Not now the Army.

1042
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,900
Should we be making this a
double with attack of the

1043
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:12,400
Clones?
Oh, I call it, I'm putting it in

1044
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,600
there attack of the Clones or
watch it.

1045
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,700
Well to officially preview it.
We have a segment that we like

1046
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:20,200
to wrap the episodes up with
called, make it a double where

1047
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,300
we pair this with another film
to make the ideal double

1048
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:25,100
feature.
And it sounds like Brad is

1049
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:27,400
using.
Maybe the most reviled of all

1050
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,700
Star Wars films, attack of the
Clones to pair up with Avatar of

1051
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:37,200
film that I Objectively like,
but recognize it's my least

1052
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,200
favorite of the Six Original
films.

1053
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,200
I think that this is hard to
pair up with anything because

1054
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,000
it's like it has pieces and
parts of everything.

1055
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:49,700
I feel like I've seen this movie
a hundred times but the James

1056
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:52,200
Cameron element of that.
I'm like, I've never seen

1057
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,700
anything like this before, so
pairing it up.

1058
01:00:54,700 --> 01:00:57,800
With something is kind of like a
moot point because, you know,

1059
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,400
you could I could pick 100
white, savior movies and they

1060
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,900
would line right up with this.
I could pick 100 Sci-Fi movies

1061
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:07,100
where people go to a different
planet and the line right up

1062
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:09,300
with this.
I guess the most obvious one

1063
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:13,000
would be the Matrix where you
plug in with your mind to

1064
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,700
another body in a different
world than like, so I, you know,

1065
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,300
the Matrix is, I think great
movie and it's ready player,

1066
01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:22,100
one, ready player one, that
might be an okay one and I

1067
01:01:22,107 --> 01:01:24,600
actually liked that movie a lot
more than apparently most people

1068
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,200
did.
I'll go with the Matrix just

1069
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,700
because that movies rad.
And I actually think that from

1070
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:33,600
the midpoint of this movie on,
it gets really, really Good too.

1071
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,400
So yeah, watch The Matrix and
watch Avatar.

1072
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,400
Are we going to talk about the
Pocahontas of it?

1073
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,200
All, I mean, here's the thing.
It's been talked about to death,

1074
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,200
like we know we all know this
make, it's a white savior movie.

1075
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,700
It's a Pocahontas movie, you
know, is that an inherent flaw

1076
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:52,700
with the movie?
I don't know.

1077
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:54,500
It depends on if you think this
movie sucks.

1078
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:57,700
It's the way.
The story is told in this movie,

1079
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,900
it's been told a hundred times
before this doesn't do it.

1080
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:02,100
Really any better or worse than
any of those other movies.

1081
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,100
So like, you know, it is what it
is.

1082
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,700
Yeah, that's fair.
Alright man, what's your final

1083
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:13,500
score on Avatar?
Seven and a half, right?

1084
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,000
Yeah, I think, I think it's
solid.

1085
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,600
I think it's fun.
I think that the first half is

1086
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,500
really rough.
And then from the moment that

1087
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:26,200
they destroy the home Tree on,
it's just I texted you.

1088
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,100
This, it's just pretty rad.
Like, it's just, it's just

1089
01:02:30,100 --> 01:02:34,300
really fun action movie
sequences after action movie

1090
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:38,300
sequences.
I think that he's not fully

1091
01:02:38,300 --> 01:02:42,900
original in his action sequences
Like and I'm not talking about

1092
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:45,900
the, the graphics or what you're
seeing, it's more of like the

1093
01:02:45,900 --> 01:02:52,400
style of them, they feel pretty
wrote of like oh there they have

1094
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,200
a surprise attack and then they
get pushed back and then

1095
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,400
something unexpected happens.
And it's like, it's not like the

1096
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,600
action scenes move into new
territory, but they're really

1097
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:02,800
well done.
And they're fun.

1098
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,100
So I yeah.
I couldn't decide between an

1099
01:03:06,100 --> 01:03:08,800
eight and an eight and a half
and I was not expecting that.

1100
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,100
Because again, like the first 15
minutes of this movie, I was

1101
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:13,200
like damn it is Brad going to be
right?

1102
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:15,600
Like am I going to have to go in
there and be like have a chart

1103
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:20,100
does suck?
I am right Bob, I think that

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01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:23,500
this movie is an 8 out of 10
because there it's a flawed

1105
01:03:23,500 --> 01:03:26,800
movie.
But I think the technological

1106
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,700
advancement like I think with
this movie represents, Is almost

1107
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:33,300
more interesting than the movie
itself.

1108
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:38,100
Like it really did push the
industry forward and I don't

1109
01:03:38,100 --> 01:03:40,400
think you can take that away
from Cameron.

1110
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:43,800
It's a pretty good movie.
Sam Worthington is not good.

1111
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:45,700
Zoe Saldana, knocks it, out of
the park.

1112
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,200
And so I'll give it an 8 out of
10 and that takes us to an

1113
01:03:49,207 --> 01:03:53,000
average of a seven point seven
five, which puts us pretty much

1114
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,500
right in line with the general
public, this has a seven point

1115
01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:58,300
eight on IMDb.
So for all the people out there

1116
01:03:58,300 --> 01:04:00,800
that say, this movie sucks, it
seems like you don't hate it

1117
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,300
that much because you rated it
at just about an 8 out of 10.

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01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:06,200
That's what we think.
But we want to know what you

1119
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,100
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01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:11,800
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1121
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,700
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01:04:15,700 --> 01:04:18,600
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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,000
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1125
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,700
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1126
01:04:28,900 --> 01:04:31,500
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01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,400
end of every single one of our
show notes, hang on, for another

1129
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,400
couple minutes, I'm going to
give you my impressions of

1130
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,700
Avatar the way of water but Brad
and I will sign off here.

1131
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,600
We'll see you next week for
aliens, which I'm freaking

1132
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,200
pumped about what a great movie.
But until then, I'm Bob book,

1133
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:54,900
I'm Brad G and we'll see you
next time.

1134
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:25,800
All right, let's talk Avatar the
way of water a little bit.

1135
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:30,100
I went to see this on Thursday
night, 10:55 p.m. screening.

1136
01:05:30,100 --> 01:05:32,400
The movie is 3 hours and 15
minutes long.

1137
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,400
So with trailers, like I got
home at 3:00 in the morning.

1138
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:39,000
It is a long movie.
Does it need to be 3 hours and

1139
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000
15 minutes long.
Probably not.

1140
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,100
You know, like I think when
you're approaching that length

1141
01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:44,800
of a movie there has to be a
reason.

1142
01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:48,400
It has to say something like so
deep and so profound that that

1143
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,700
it justifies being three hours
long and in a lot of ways, this

1144
01:05:51,700 --> 01:05:55,900
just feels Is like the second
chapter in a an ongoing saga and

1145
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:58,900
so does it need to be like 40
minutes longer than the

1146
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:01,300
original?
Probably not, but it also didn't

1147
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:03,900
feel like a drag to me, I know
some critics are saying that,

1148
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:06,700
that s our really felt like it
dragged for me.

1149
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:10,100
It didn't feel that way.
And Cameron really expands upon

1150
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:12,200
the universe that he created in
the first one.

1151
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:13,700
I think we're is in the first
one.

1152
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:16,700
He was very much interested in
just like getting down to brass

1153
01:06:16,700 --> 01:06:19,100
tacks.
In this one, there's much more

1154
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,800
emotion behind everything, and
he introduces, You to Jake Sully

1155
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,900
and Nate series family, and
their four children.

1156
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:32,100
And all of the you know, many
many plot developments that come

1157
01:06:32,100 --> 01:06:36,300
from having four children, some
of whom are teenagers, but you

1158
01:06:36,300 --> 01:06:40,600
learn a lot more about like the
Dynamics between the different

1159
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,800
tribes of the navi, you know,
obviously the plot mechanism of

1160
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:48,200
this movie, is that they're
being hunted by the Marines

1161
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,900
again.
And so they have to flee to a

1162
01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:53,900
tribe of people who Are like
water people, they live on

1163
01:06:53,900 --> 01:06:56,000
Islands, they're out on the
water, they go under the water

1164
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,000
for long periods of time.
And so you get acclimated to

1165
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,800
this new world just as Jake's
Ali's family does but there's a

1166
01:07:02,808 --> 01:07:05,400
much more.
I don't know spiritual

1167
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,000
connection in this movie.
The way that he played up the

1168
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,100
the spirit tree in the first
movie.

1169
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:14,800
This one goes so much deeper
into the connection between all

1170
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,500
living things, you know.
Like if you're not on board for

1171
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:23,400
a whale creature, having
subtitles in Push while speaking

1172
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,400
whale.
Then like this might not be the

1173
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,000
movie for you but I'll tell you
what it worked for me.

1174
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,900
I thought this was a
significantly better movie than

1175
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:33,200
the first one.
It goes so much deeper

1176
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,600
emotionally.
I think that the technology is

1177
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,100
Advanced like crazy, the level
of detail on the navi skin.

1178
01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:43,700
At this point is kind of
Staggering like they make Jake.

1179
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:46,900
Sully look so much more
expressive, and I think that was

1180
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:50,600
probably something that Cameron
really emphasize this time

1181
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,600
around because Sam Worthington.
His performance in the first one

1182
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:56,400
has drawn so much criticism, but
it's really great.

1183
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,000
It's a nuanced, layered
performance and the technology

1184
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,500
has caught up a little bit.
There are still moments with

1185
01:08:02,500 --> 01:08:04,300
some of the characters.
Wear, their skin looks a little

1186
01:08:04,300 --> 01:08:06,600
bit rubbery.
There are still some shots that

1187
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:08,700
are like, oh, they probably
didn't spend as much time on

1188
01:08:08,700 --> 01:08:13,800
that but I would say like, 90%
of the visual effects are better

1189
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,399
than anything.
You've seen since the original

1190
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:20,600
marble, or since the original
Avatar and so much better than

1191
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,300
what Marvel's currently doing,
That you kind of forgive the

1192
01:08:23,300 --> 01:08:26,500
other 10% to me.
It's like, go see it on the

1193
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:28,899
biggest screen possible.
I saw it in 2D.

1194
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,399
If 3D is important to you then
like God bless you but I always

1195
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,700
try to see a movie in 2D first
just so I can determine does it

1196
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:40,100
work as a movie aside from the
gimmick of the 3D.

1197
01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:42,500
I might go back and see it in 3D
because Cameron, so good at

1198
01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:45,200
using it.
But for me, it's better than the

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01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,700
first one.
I cannot recommend it.

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01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:50,000
Highly enough like it is a movie
theater movie.

1201
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,300
If you saw top gun Maverick in
the theater, Other than you, you

1202
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:56,600
owe it to yourself to see this
one in the theater, 3 hours and

1203
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,200
15 minutes.
You're definitely getting your

1204
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,600
money's worth.
I'm going to give it an 8.5 out

1205
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:03,300
of 10 and that's my review of
Avatar.

1206
01:09:03,300 --> 01:09:05,200
The way of water will see you
next week.