Armageddon / Down Home Toasted Barrel Finish Rye ft. Noah Gittell

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In 1998, director Michael Bay
and * Bruce Willis gave the

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world a non-stop banger that
transported the action genre

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into the outer realms.
In 2024, we try a whiskey that I

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know absolutely nothing about.
The film is Armageddon.

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The whiskey is down home Toasted
Barrel Rye.

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And we'll review them both this
is.

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The Film and Whiskey Podcast
Welcome to the Film and Whiskey

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Podcast, where each week we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob Book.

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I'm Brad G.
Brad GI have been waiting for

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this moment for eight seasons,
Not even necessarily because of

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the movie that's on the docket
today, but because we finally

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get to talk about Michael
Freaking Bay on the Film and

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Whiskey Podcast.
I I feel like you have a secret

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crush on Michael Bay.
Listen, there's been like a

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slight uptick over the last few
years in the Michael Bay is

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definitely an auteur thing,
especially like on film Twitter.

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And it's it's kind of accepted
now that like, yes, he has a

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certain type of auteur.
Like he he has a vision, he

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makes his movies and they are
definitely Michael Bay movies.

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But I think honestly, he
deserves to be taken a step more

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seriously than that.
Like, his movies sometimes are

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trash, but like everybody makes
a trash movie every like every

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now and then.
I I think my my last movie was

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Trash Bob.
All, all it was, yeah.

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It was not your best.
So I think that we deserve to

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look at him a little more
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We need to talk about the craft
because there's definite

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craftsmanship here, and I don't
know that there's a better movie

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to start with when talking about
Michael Bay than Armageddon.

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A lot of people point to The
Rock as maybe his his finest big

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movie.
I I like.

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I like Armageddon better and I
think that it is more Bay even

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than The Rock is.
So Brad, I I'm really excited to

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dive into this one with you,
man.

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I I feel like when we talk about
Michael Bay, I I I was running a

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retreat for my work the other
week and one of the gentleman

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there was just constantly talked
about how he grew up in a place

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where they just put Old Bay
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And his question always was like
how much Old Bay is on this.

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And I feel like that's a
question you can ask about all

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Michael Bay movies.
It's like, how much Bay are we

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truly getting here?
How much Bay is on this?

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And the answer in this case is
all of the Bay.

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All the Bay True Michael Bay
Banger.

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It is.
It is so much Bay, in fact, that

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the two of us are not able to
review it alone.

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By we are not equipped for this
much.

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Michael Bay We had to bring in
our resident Michael Bay expert,

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our friend, author and critic
Noah Gettel.

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Noah, how are you today?
I.

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Got 5 words for you.
Yeah, I'm glad to see you boys.

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I like that.
That's the old.

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Yeah, that's the only time Ben
Affleck gets to accurately count

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something in the movie, too.
That was 6 words, man, Noah,

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before we even dive into
Armageddon.

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First of all, it's great to see
you again.

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Thank you for joining us.
You have been very busy of late.

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You've got a big project you've
been working on.

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I don't know how much we can
really spoil right now.

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It's been announced.
You've written a book.

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Top secret.
It's coming out in a couple

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months here.
The book is called Baseball

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Colon the Movie.
I am a big fan of this book.

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We're going to talk about it
with you when the book actually

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comes out, but give us a little
bit of a glimpse into your life

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having written this book and now
preparing to drop this bombshell

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on the film book world.
Yeah, well the book is available

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for pre-order right now, so let
us spoil away and whet people's

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appetites.
It's been a it's been a 2 1/2

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year project basically from
conception to getting an agent,

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to working with the agent on the
pitch for publishers, getting a

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publisher writing the book and
delivering it, and now working

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with publishers on an events
plan and a media plan and and

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all that.
And it's been amazing to be

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honest with you.
Like people talk about how

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writing a book is torture.
And I had didn't feel that at

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all.
And I think part of the reason

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is that I picked a subject that
I knew I was very happy to live

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with for this long.
Baseball movies have always been

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my comfort food.
I'm a baseball fan, a huge

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baseball fan.
I think I'm a bigger baseball

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movie fan.
I really love the combination of

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these two things that I love.
So it's just it's been an

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amazing process.
Getting getting blurbs was

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great.
Getting I got John Sayles to

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write the foreword like that was
like, amazing.

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And it's just been a joy.
And now I'm in this phase where

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I really just want it to come
out and I want people to read

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it.
And I hope people like it.

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I hope it means something to
them, 'cause it is really, you

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know, it.
It's a it's a biography of the

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baseball movie genre, but it
really is a lot more.

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It's a lot personal.
It's a personal book and if you

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read it through a specific lens,
it's it tells you a lot about

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who I am and what I care about
and how I feel about things.

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So it does mean a lot to me and
I can't wait to get into

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people's hands and and have them
have them enjoy it.

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My my curiosity for you, Noah,
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If you were to pitch a Michael
Bay baseball film, who would be

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the star?
What would be the basic premise?

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And how many baseballs would
just like explode mid air for no

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reason?
Well, but that's an interesting

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question for a number of
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There are some movies where
baseballs explode, right, Like

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the natural he explodes a
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There's a Japanese movie called
Mr. Go about a gorilla who plays

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baseball, and there's definitely
some exploding baseballs in that

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one.
So in a weird way, I feel like

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the Michael Bay baseball movie
has already been made.

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It's, it's a little redundant,
but they do have a lot in

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common, right?
They do share this sort of

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fetish for Americana.
So like I I was surprised there

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was no baseball in Armageddon
that somebody wasn't, you know,

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they weren't having a catch on
the asteroid or something like

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that.
It really would have worked.

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It would have worked really
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It feels like at the start,
instead of him hitting golf

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balls off the oil rig, if he had
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and he's just blasting
baseballs, that that would have

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been missed opportunity, missed
opportunity, Michael.

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Absolutely.
I'm really glad that you said

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what you said about BAE and his
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it it really does provide me a
great segue from your book and

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what I really loved.
I've I'm almost finished with

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your book.
I'm on the last three chapters

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now.
What I've really loved about it

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is that it's it's about how
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Americana, but then also kind of
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Like we have so associated
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the imagery of America at this
point that certain movies are

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playing on that.
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kind of doing that with his
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There is so many random images
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It's like the beginning of
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this movie.
There's this guy standing in

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front of flags for no reason.
But but you know that everything

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he's doing is for a really
intentional purpose and I'm

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really excited to dissect this a
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As we get into talking about
Armageddon today, we do want to

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say if this is your first time
joining us on the Film and

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Whiskey Podcast, Welcome in each
week we review a classic movie

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and a glass of whiskey.
This season, what we're doing is

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we're looking at the highest
grossing films from every year

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from 1988 to 2019.
Now highest grossing.

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Ish.
Thereabouts, yeah.

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In 98, the highest grossing film
was Saving Private Ryan.

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We have already reviewed that
movie, and so we moved a couple

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down the list to Armageddon.
And boy oh boy, am I glad we

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did.
Because who needs who needs

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Steven Spielberg when you could
go watch Michael Bay's

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Armageddon?
Brad.

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Yeah.
Tom Hanks, Steven Spielberg

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Please step aside.
We have Bruce Willis, Michael

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Clark talk about this is an All
Star case.

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I can't wait to talk about this
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In order.
In order to talk about the cast,

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though, we need to get to our
first segment of the day, which

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we call, Brad explains.
Brad's gonna give us the movie

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plots with only 60 seconds
ticking on the clock, so let's

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go ahead and hear your take with
this little segment that we call

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Brad explains.
Brad Explains is the part of the

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podcast where Brad breaks down
the plot of the movie that he

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has just seen, often for the
first time.

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Huge spoiler This was Brad's
first time watching Armageddon.

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It was.
Noah making a genuinely shocked

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face.
Right now, Noah is aghast.

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At this moment he.
Hasn't been on the show.

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Enough.
There's there's no surprising me

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anymore.
I'm just like, of course he

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hasn't seen Armageddon like.
I couldn't believe he hadn't

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seen Sister act, but this is a
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Level.
I was gonna say, guys, I think

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The Fugitive was the last movie
of the 90s that we've reviewed,

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that I've seen.
So we went in a row.

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From there we went True Lies 95,
Goldeneye, Independence Day, Men

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in Black, Armageddon.
What a freaking run we've been

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on, Brad.
Dude, it it's been a wild

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experience.
I feel like the last few weeks I

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I haven't been, like, wildly
disappointed, but that, you

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know, they didn't quite live up
to what I was hoping for in Men

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in Black in Independence Day.
And I'll.

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I'll just spoil a little bit of
my final take.

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Armageddon definitely lived up
to the hype.

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Here's the thing, man.
Wait till you see it 9th and

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10th time it gets even better.
Oh, I I believe it.

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I like.
I think at this point, I just

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want to try drinking different
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Like, I like I need to drink Bud
Light at some point, the whole

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movie and like just kind of keep
trying different cheap American

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alcoholic beverages and it'll
just be great.

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Just chug.
Corn syrup and see, see what

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happens.
Man.

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I was going to say, Brad, I
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would, would continue the
downward trajectory you've been

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on the last couple weeks.
I was so pumped for you to watch

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Independence Day, a movie that I
will admit is not a great film,

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but it is also a great film.
You know what I mean?

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Like, I, Bill Pullman gives his
speech.

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I cried.
I'm not going to lie to you.

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There's part of this movie where
I cried and like.

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Here's the thing, man.
Armageddon strikes the perfect

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tone that Independence Day
doesn't like.

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Independence Day is just like
kind of all over the map.

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Armageddon knows who it is from,
from second one of this film all

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the way through the end, and
it's it's committed.

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There is awesome.
There is a Hollywood patina on

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Independence Day.
There's a Sheen on that movie

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that this movie like it is, it
is very highly stylized, but it

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is not what Independence Day is
trying to be, which is like

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tapping into the old school
blockbuster.

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Bay is doing something very
different here.

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And so I didn't know if you
would get on board with it or

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not.
It sounds like you were.

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And it's also time for you,
Brad, to spoil this movie.

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Now folks, if you are in the
small minority like Brad who has

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never seen Armageddon, please
hit pause here.

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Go watch this 2 1/2 hour film
and then rejoin us for the rest

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of our episode.
But Brad?

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I'm not going to lie, I turned
it on and saw 2 1/2 hours.

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I was like, wow, that's a lot of
Michael Bay.

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But you didn't realize that what
you were getting was not 150

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minutes of movie, but 100
different montages strung

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together.
And it it really makes the time

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pass quickly.
Speaking of, you have one minute

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on the clock to give the full
plot and spoilers and go.

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Armageddon is a film about an
asteroid.

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This asteroid is coming to blow
everything to pieces.

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And guess what?
Deep sea oil just tycoon Bruce

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Willis is going to go to space
and blow this freaking asteroid

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up.
Bob.

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And he does it.
And it's awesome tycoon effect.

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Like, like we're sending, like
Andrew Carnegie, to an asteroid

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to kill.
Like, he's the best man.

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He doesn't know how to lose.
He does not.

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I don't know if you know this.
Like, literally everybody,

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including himself, tells you
that I've never, I've never

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failed at anything in my life
and that's how I ended up here

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on an oil rig and divorced,
right?

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Yes, all right.
I want.

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To start, her daughter stayed
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Him.
So she sure did.

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It's the winner.
She really shit on her mom too.

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She was like, she abandoned me
too, man.

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OK, I want to start talking
about the movie, but in order to

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do that, I want to throw over to
Noah, who's been patiently

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waiting through your 12 second
explanation of the film.

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Brad.
Noah, you had.

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Noah that that's a good
explanation of the film, am I

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right?
You left a few things out.

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I if we we had an opportunity
for spoilers here.

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I mean we want to talk about
what made you made us cry 'cause

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you did say you did say it made
you cry.

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It definitely made me cry.
You left out the the biggest cry

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moment when Bruce Willis
sacrifices himself.

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Of course the moment that made
me cry me cry was a small moment

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but an impactful 1 when she says
see that man on the TV?

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He's not a salesman.
That's your daddy.

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Waterworks every time.
OK, but why?

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Why?
Why Armageddon, who I love about

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Armageddon?
You know, when I when I talk

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about this movie, I sort of lose
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bit and I I turn into a fanboy
and say stuff like, you know,

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it's just so funny and it's a
thrill ride and it's just one

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thing after another.
And and the truth is, to me,

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this is this is just a hugely
entertaining movie that is sort

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of the platonic ideal of this
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It feels to me like there was a
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from Independence Day to this.
And it was inevitable that this

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run of movies sort of end with a
movie in which an asteroid is

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coming to kill everyone on the
Earth because you can't go

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anywhere from that.
And Michael Bay clearly knew

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that.
And he said I'm going to make a

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movie that nobody can top and I
think he really hasn't and and

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nobody has really, really topped
this movie.

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And when I watch it, I just have
an amazingly fun time.

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It zips from one set piece to
the next, from 1 Montage, the

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next with, you know, incredible
purpose and incredible speed.

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And you really have everything
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You do.
You have, you have the heart

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wrenching moments.
You have the laughs, you have

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ridiculous action scenes.
You have a gun in space.

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But I do think if I want to put
on my critic hat just for like a

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second, the reason this movie is
sort of like quote, UN quote

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important, if you ask me.
And you know, famously this was

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a Criterion movie.
I think it was a laserdisc if

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memory serves.
Or maybe it was a DVD.

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Yeah, I think it was boom
eventually, yeah.

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They got a lot of guff over,
including this movie.

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It was maybe the first time they
really sort of took a chance and

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strayed from their prestige
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And they, I know, have justified
it by saying it's an important

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movie because it epitomizes this
whole genre, this 90s

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blockbuster.
And I think the 90s blockbusters

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are really important because
they do feel like prototypes for

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the 2000s and 2010 blockbusters,
like the Marvel movies and the

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superhero movies for a in a
couple different ways.

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One is, you know, we've got an
ensemble here of people going to

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space with, you know, fighting
this existential battle and with

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so much comedy in it.
And to me, that's the thing that

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really separates Armageddon and
sets the stage for movies like

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The Avengers and particularly
Guardians of the Galaxy.

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Like this movie even has a 70s
soundtrack in a lot of ways.

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And I think that I think that's
really interesting but it's also

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the collision of another
cultural force which is you know

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this the the 90s were were kind
of characterized culturally by a

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couple different things.
One of which is that it was this

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incredibly economically
optimistic time when you know

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everybody thought the economy
was going to be great forever.

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And and I think that optimism is
is in this movie not just in the

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amount of money that it cost but
in in the vibe of the movie.

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You know, this is a a filmmaker
and and a a film that acts as if

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everything is, everything is
going to be great forever.

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The vibes are going to last
forever.

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We can do whatever we want and
they're not going to be any

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consequences.
And on the other hand, we were

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approaching Y2K and there was
this really like huge fear that

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something really crazy was going
to happen in the year 2000 and

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there were genuine fears of the
apocalypse and you got that in

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the movie as well.
So it's this collision of kind

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of optimism and existential
terror that that makes the movie

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great, in my opinion.
Well, before we go any further,

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I think we just have to kind of
dive in on Michael Bay a little

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bit.
Like I said, this is the first

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Michael Bay film we've done on
the show, which blows my mind.

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Brad, we're almost 300 movies
in, I think at this would.

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You say it's an explosion of
your mind.

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Absolutely sparks.
Like unexpected sparks coming

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off of my brain too.
So Michael Bay, as with many

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directors of the 90s, gets his
start as a music video director

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and some television as well, but
primarily music videos,

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commercials.
I guess the the closest analogue

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to him that we would all know
would be David Fincher in that

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regard, both highly stylized
visuals.

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Michael Bay, I think, pairs his
highly stylized visuals with

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rapid cuts and montage
approaches, whereas Fincher is a

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much more exacting he.
He likes incredibly stabilized

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shots and he does a lot of
panning.

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He lets the camera linger
sometimes.

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That's not Michael Bay like
Michael Bay is.

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I am going to throw as much
information visually at you as

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possible.
That's the starting point with

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Michael Bay.
Brad, I'm I'm curious to pick

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your brain a little bit because
this movie carries over a lot of

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the 1990s music video stylings.
Visually, Bay is known for like

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super high contrast lighting.
It is not aesthetically pleasing

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to look at, like it's really
harsh looking.

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And at the same time, I think
that because the lighting is so

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I don't know, like high
contrast, I guess is what I

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would say.
The look of the movie holds up

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exceptionally well, like it's
very 90s in the way that it

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feels.
But it looks much more

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appropriate in the like digital
filmmaking age that we're in

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now.
And I don't really quite know

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how to parse that out, but I'm
curious to know what you think.

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Well, let's talk about high
contrast.

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Let's let's contrast it with
other 90s blockbusters that

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we've talked about before and
and especially the look like

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look at a Robin Hood Prince of
thieves and Braveheart right

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where everything like feels kind
of dirty and Gray and washed out

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and and I know that those are
historical epics if you will,

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but we.
Talked about this, Yeah.

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There's like a flatness to the
way that early 90s movies look,

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as opposed to the stylization of
late 90s movies.

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Yeah.
And and with this film, I do

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think you're moving more towards
an early 2000s vibe.

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And and like you know, whether
you love it or hate it like a

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later Michael Bay film, you you
look at the first Transformers

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movie because that's the only
one I've seen of of the bunch.

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But like you still have that
bright look that for me

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epitomizes that early 2000s
movement in in cinema.

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No.
Why Independence?

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Day is a is a good comp, I was
going to say, because

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Independence Day came what like
three years earlier, four years

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earlier.
And it looks so cheap in

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comparison and and it looks so
flat.

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And obviously there's a
different, I mean, I think if

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you want to talk about Michael
Bay's skill as a filmmaker, you

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can compare him to Roland
Emmerich, who has a lot of big

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ideas but really doesn't know
how to make a movie actually

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look good.
And I just think there's a huge

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point of contrast between those
two movies.

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Shots fired at Roland Emmerich.
I do think though if if we're

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going to go that route and and
shoot shots at Roland Emmerich

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the year, either the year that
this comes out or the year after

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is when Roland Emmerich's
absolutely awful Godzilla comes

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out.
And it is so heavily influenced

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by this tip into a new visual
aesthetic like even contrasting

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Independence Day to Godzilla.
The way that movie is shot and

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lit, it's it's almost ripping
off Bay at this point.

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Bay and Fincher.
And so I think that like you are

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on the forefront of this sort of
music video, you know, tinged

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influenced look that you get
with BAE now.

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I think his biggest critics have
always said like he's never

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learned how to not make a 2 1/2
hour music video.

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I've seen a lot of people say
that his movies feel like

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trailers.
I don't really think that's the

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case.
I think that what he really is

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good at is I am going to pack as
much visual information into the

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1.4 seconds that I let every
set, every shot last in my

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movie.
And so you get like people

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leaning out of a window at the
end of the movie wearing like a

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tank top.
And there's a red brick wall and

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there's a American flag in
between the windows.

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Because it looks like the kind
of shot that you would see in

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Life magazine in the 1940s.
And that's what he's trying to

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do.
And that really works when

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you're trying to build a montage
in a three minute, 3 minute

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music video.
And so, like, you know, if I'm

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gonna criticize the guy, I would
say he makes 2 1/2 hour music

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videos, but I would never say
that he makes 2 1/2 hour

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trailers.
I think that kind of misreads

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what he's actually really,
really good at here.

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Yeah.
And I don't think, I mean, to

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me, a 2 1/2 hour music video,
that sounds pretty good.

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You know, I mean, I don't know
why that's even a criticism.

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I mean, I don't watch this movie
and I'm not like, you know, I

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wish who's Woody Allen,
cinematographer Sven Nyquist or

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something.
Like I don't.

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I don't wish that there was like
a a, you know, an establishing

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shot of Ben Affleck and and
Bruce Willis on the asteroid

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that went on for 2 1/2 minutes
of them just like standing there

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talking.
I'm.

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I don't want that.
I think this movie, his style,

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he insists upon it to such a
degree that to me, you it

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doesn't leave you wanting
anything else.

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He is so confident in his
approach that I am more than

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happy to just go along with it
and it is consistent.

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I mean, he doesn't let up from
his approach and his vision for

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even a second in this movie.
Though I don't understand how

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anybody could even want want
this to be filmed a different

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way.
You you don't want like an 18

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minute children of men one or
just moving through the asteroid

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and.
How silly would that be in that

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movie?
It would.

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It would.
That would seem ostentatious in

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the.
Movie.

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Yes.
Yeah, yeah. 100%.

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Brad, I want to pick your brain
a little bit more about this.

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So what other Michael Bay movies
have you seen?

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Bob, I've seen the first
Transformers.

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I've seen Armageddon.
Did you did I ever convince you

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to actually go watch Ambulance?
No, I I want like, I'm curious

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about it.
Bob, here's the deal.

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You have me watching a movie a
week.

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That's not that many movies.
That's one.

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One movie a week, dude.
That's pretty good, man.

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I don't watch any TV.
I I don't really do media that

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much, and one movie a week is a
lot.

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So I want to like print a poster
for the film and whiskey podcast

451
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,520
with your quote.
I don't do media.

452
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,920
Brad G host of movie podcast.
All right, listen.

453
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,120
So I was gonna.
I was gonna drink that much

454
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:21,640
whiskey either.
Yeah, I know so.

455
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,680
I'm just going to make a
comparison to Ambulance and it's

456
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,400
my first major criticism of this
movie and.

457
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,360
Don't.
Don't spoil ambulance, Bob.

458
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,760
I I won't let you do.
It oh, of course I'm totally

459
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,280
You're never going to watch.
Ambulance has the barest

460
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,560
semblance of characters in that
movie.

461
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,120
You get 4 minutes of character
building, you learn that these

462
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,680
two guys are brothers and that
Jake Gyllenhaal's a sleazeball

463
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,120
and that's all you need to know.
You're in an ambulance at like

464
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,800
the 8 minute mark and the plot
is going.

465
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,080
This movie, it takes them an
hour to get onto The Rock.

466
00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:00,480
And I just, if I'm being frank
with you guys, I think the first

467
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,560
hour of this movie is pretty not
good and there's a lot of

468
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,920
montages and it's OK, but it's
doing the thing that you and I

469
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,400
complained about with
Independence Day.

470
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Brad like it's trying too hard
to give all of these secondary

471
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,200
and tertiary characters their
fun little quirks, especially

472
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,760
when you actually get on the
asteroid and within 30 seconds

473
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,600
half of them are dead and you
didn't get enough build up to

474
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,040
care that Owen Wilson is dead.
And in fact, it made me angry

475
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,400
that I had to listen to like 8
Owen Wilson, you know, quirky

476
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,000
monologues and then he's just
immediately dead.

477
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,360
Like, I just kind of wish we had
tightened up that first hour and

478
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,480
or spent more time with Bruce
Willis, who I felt like was

479
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,200
hardly in the movie for the
first hour and 45 minutes.

480
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,040
See Bob, I I you're probably
right.

481
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:57,320
But the only thing I really
remember from the first hour is

482
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,760
Bruce Willis chasing Ben Affleck
around with a shotgun on an oil

483
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,120
rig.
And it might be my favorite part

484
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:08,640
of the movie.
I that just there was something

485
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,160
about Bruce Willis running
around with a shotgun on an oil

486
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,400
rig that I was like, I'm in.
If the rest of the movie is

487
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,560
this, I'm sold.
I I got my money's worth.

488
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,080
I split the difference, man.
I I love the first hour and the

489
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,120
second hour.
I think they're both amazing.

490
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,440
I mean, and part of what what I
love about this movie is just

491
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,840
it's excess.
I mean, whatever kind of a scene

492
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,520
you want, you're gonna get it.
So you've got this sort of more

493
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,080
intimate action scene.
It opens with what is

494
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,560
essentially a scene of Bruce
Willis trying to kill Ben

495
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,120
Affleck.
I mean, that's the opening

496
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,400
comedic scene of a father trying
to kill a man who has slept with

497
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,200
his daughter, which is pretty
messed up.

498
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,760
And then all of his employees
saying, well boss, he's got a

499
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:59,800
good reason your daughter's hot.
And then following that up,

500
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,360
she's hot.
And also, we're all kind of her

501
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,240
dad, if you think about it.
And Steve Buscemi taught her how

502
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,040
to use a tampon.
I mean, there's a lot going on

503
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,800
there in that first scene and
and you know, and then you've

504
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,360
got two training montages.
I believe in a row, two separate

505
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,320
training montages.
Once they get to NASA, which I

506
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,280
love them both equally.
I love everyone of Owen Wilson's

507
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,840
little Owen Wilson isms.
I think my favorite line in the

508
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,040
movie is when he asks what it's
going to be like up there.

509
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,000
And when he describes the
hellscape, he says, oh, so

510
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,360
scariest environment.
That's all you got to say.

511
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:39,200
Scariest environment.
I don't know.

512
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,120
It all works for me.
And then you get to the the

513
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,240
asteroid and it is like a whole
other movie.

514
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,920
I agree with that.
It is completely different than

515
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,640
the first half, although they've
managed to work in quite a bit

516
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,600
of comedy, even on the Rock.
But to me that's what that's

517
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,320
what makes it great is that he
doesn't say, you know what, we

518
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,640
don't need that first hour, we
need all of it.

519
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,760
And I'm 100% on board.
I I'm curious, we, we've talked

520
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560
about Owen Wilson a little bit
being somebody who apparently

521
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,720
has a giant blank for the 90s.
How, like how popular was Owen

522
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,120
Wilson at this point?
Because like I watched this film

523
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:19,320
in 2024 and I'm aware of like
the kind of Owen Wilson's place

524
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,760
in cinema history and like where
was he at in the 90s?

525
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Was he a a biggish star or was
he like a somewhat unknown?

526
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,600
What, like where was he at
coming into this?

527
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,160
I believe he had done Bottle
Rocket, and this year he had a

528
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,240
small part in Permanent
Midnight, the Ben Stiller heroin

529
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,040
movie.
And I kind of think that was it.

530
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,960
Maybe he had done was The Minus
Man around this time.

531
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,000
I can't remember exactly.
But no, he was not a big star

532
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,560
yet.
He hadn't done the Jackie Chan

533
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
movie yet.
I mean, he was, he was a guy who

534
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,280
was known in the independent
film world, but to mainstream

535
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,280
movie audience, this was
probably the first time that

536
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,480
they saw him.
Jose as as a member of that

537
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,440
mainstream audience, you just
said the phrase Ben Stiller

538
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,320
heroine movie.
That's a phrase that Wow.

539
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,160
We we have course corrected and
we're now talking about that

540
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,640
movie for the rest of this
episode.

541
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,560
It's a good movie I've never
seen.

542
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,400
I actually did.
Ever heard of that movie before?

543
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,960
Yeah, it's based on the
autobiography by Jerry Stahl,

544
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,280
who was a writer on the TV show
Alf in the 80s, and he was also

545
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
a junkie at the time.
And it's a it's a really good

546
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:33,840
memoir, and I think the movie's
pretty good, too.

547
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,040
Ben Stiller's actually
incredible.

548
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,960
Then, all right, I guess we've
got our let's make it a double

549
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,600
for today, Brad.
There you go, heroine and nukes

550
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,840
on an asteroid.
I think this is a good place,

551
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,800
though, to start talking about
the cast of this movie.

552
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,560
And, Brad, you said it yourself,
this is one of the most stacked

553
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,520
casts of the 1990s, probably in
film history for being honest

554
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,440
because it pinpointed so many
people who would go on to have

555
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,120
really successful careers.
Like, OK, I'm going to read down

556
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,520
the list.
Brad, Bruce Willis, Billy Bob

557
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,920
Thornton, Ben Affleck, Liv
Tyler, Will Patton, Steve

558
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,680
Buscemi, Bill Fichtner, Owen
Wilson, Michael Clarke Duncan,

559
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,360
Peter Stormare.
You've got Keith, David and

560
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,200
Jason Isaacs hanging out at
NASA.

561
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,280
Like there are just so many that
guys in this movie.

562
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,160
It is just it's like the best
cast money can buy and they're

563
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,480
kind of also playing Moneyball,
filling out the secondary and

564
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,000
tertiary characters here.
I'm curious, where do you want

565
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,080
to start with this cast, Brad?
I I think it's worth starting at

566
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,360
the top, like there's so many
names to talk about.

567
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,840
I think it's.
I think it would be easy to get

568
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,080
bogged down in talking about a
Michael Clarke Duncan for a

569
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,120
while.
But at the end of the day, like

570
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,680
Bruce Willis is the star of this
movie.

571
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,200
He is dead at the end of this
movie, similar to another famous

572
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,240
film, and I think he's worth
talking about.

573
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,840
Yeah, I agree.
I think that this, I don't know

574
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,840
if I put Armageddon on the Bruce
Willis Mount Rushmore just for

575
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,160
myself, but it's one of his.
It's one of his most important

576
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,360
movie.
I'm not saying he's not good in

577
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,240
this movie is.
Is that a bonus episode in the

578
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,800
making?
I think it might be Willis Mount

579
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Rushmore.
Well, I will say, you know, I've

580
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,760
already said that I cry at the
end of this movie, and it says a

581
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,160
lot about how good Willis is at
doing Willis in this movie.

582
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,480
But also Liv Tyler's really,
really great.

583
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,520
I think Ben Affleck's really,
really great in their emotional

584
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,520
moments at the end of the movie.
But there's now this this

585
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,760
additional layer of poignancy to
the end of this movie now that

586
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,960
we know kind of what's going on
with Bruce Willis in his

587
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960
personal life and and as his
health deteriorates.

588
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,440
My wife was just saying
something about this yesterday.

589
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,160
There was a Bruce Willis movie
on TV.

590
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920
She was like, man, it's just so
sad to think about what's going

591
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,000
on with Bruce Willis, and it is,
man.

592
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,160
And so to watch him kind of give
his goodbyes to the world on a

593
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,560
television at the end of this
movie, it really hit me this

594
00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,360
time, man.
I don't.

595
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,760
I don't think I realized the
attachment that I had to this

596
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,760
guy as a movie star.
And so I was really grateful to

597
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,560
kind of be able to revisit this
movie and and have that

598
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,440
experience.
Brad.

599
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,440
Yeah, I I think that there's a
talent that Bruce Willis has

600
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,600
that is rare to come across in
Hollywood.

601
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,040
That like, I would almost call
it like a Harrison Ford type of

602
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,440
effect where like there's
somehow that you can tell that

603
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,360
despite Harrison, you know,
fighting Samuel L for like top

604
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,800
grossing movies of all time.
Like you can tell that he was a

605
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,520
Carpenter on sets before he
became a star.

606
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,640
You know what I'm saying?
Like with Harrison, and I feel

607
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,600
like Bruce kind of has this
similar vibe where you never

608
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,840
count him as an elite, as
somebody who's above and beyond

609
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,840
the average movie goer.
And I I think that when you look

610
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,960
at Bruce Willis's entire
catalogue, even in films where

611
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,280
he might be critiqued for like,
not wanting to show up, like,

612
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,640
you know, we talked about that
in The Sixth Sense a little bit.

613
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:09,560
There's just something about his
ability to move from nonchalance

614
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,240
to I'm bought in, you know, with
his characters that I I just,

615
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,920
man, he sucks me in every time
with almost any movie that he's

616
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,200
in Bob.
Well, you know, I think you know

617
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,000
what you said about the final
moments and and connecting it

618
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,960
to, you know, what's going on in
Bruce Willis's life now is

619
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,880
really interesting.
Because you mentioned earlier

620
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,320
that he kind of gives this
recessive performance in this

621
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,000
movie, like in a weird way.
Like he is the first guy you

622
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,680
think about when you think about
this movie.

623
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440
But there aren't like that many
moments besides the end where he

624
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,680
really pops.
He sort of cedes ground to this

625
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,800
enormous, accomplished
supporting cast that he has and

626
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,280
he's not.
He's not playing it big like

627
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,960
Michael Clarke Duncan is, or
Steve Buscemi or really everyone

628
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Peter Stormare.
Everyone else is playing it

629
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,440
really big.
And he's doing the stoic kind of

630
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,360
cowboy thing, you know, which he
actually did in a couple movies.

631
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,679
And in a way, the end of the
movie, like in in your reaction

632
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,080
to it, they're very, there's
some synchronicity there because

633
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,679
we do take him for granted a bit
as an actor and a movie star as

634
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,520
well.
And I think knowing about his

635
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,040
health troubles the last few
years has sort of made everybody

636
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,320
realize that and how much how
much we actually love him and

637
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,639
how long he's been in our lives
and how important he's been to

638
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:30,199
us.
And the movie sort of functions

639
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,840
the same way.
And and you kind of forget how

640
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,000
central he is to the movie until
the end when you realize he's

641
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,719
been watching everything.
He's known exactly who he is.

642
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,199
He's known what he has to do
when the time comes, and he just

643
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:43,880
does it.
And that's that working class

644
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,560
thing that you're talking about,
Brad.

645
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,520
He's not a guy who's going to
make a big show out of it.

646
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,760
He's just going to get the job
done.

647
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,840
Yeah, I was going to say that
that scene with Ben Affleck,

648
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,199
when he does whatever he does to
make him lose air and shoves him

649
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:56,719
back in the thing and puts him
up.

650
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,280
And even in that moment, like,
it's almost too cheesy.

651
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,320
But like, he remembers Billy Bob
Thornton and his like here.

652
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,120
Like like he deserves this.
Like, not me.

653
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,880
And like even that is like in
his dying moments, he is

654
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,720
remembering somebody else and
putting them above himself.

655
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,520
And that's just like, at the end
of the day, that's really

656
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,040
endearing for a character and
it, you know to go back to the

657
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:28,040
Americana of it all.
Like America just idolizes this

658
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,840
idea of a hero who doesn't want
everyone to know that they are

659
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,400
the hero.
And and at the end of all

660
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,880
things, he just wants to talk to
his little girl, tell her that

661
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,600
he's proud of her and say like,
go marry the guy your dreams and

662
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,960
make the best life for yourself.
And so for me, like I I'm crying

663
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,960
at the end of the film, not when
Bruce Willis is dying.

664
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,760
There was something about the
way this film ended that just

665
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,720
spoke to me like, like, it's a
very clear Michael Bay has an

666
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,200
idea of what's most important in
this world.

667
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,720
And you see it when the pilots
land because what does he show?

668
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:14,200
Slow motion montage after slow
motion montage is like families

669
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,120
being created with Ben Affleck
and Liv Tyler, and families

670
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,360
being reunited with oh what?
What's his name?

671
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,600
The coach from.
Will Patton.

672
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,560
Thank you.
What with Will Patton and his

673
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,240
ex-wife and, you know, his
strange son.

674
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,520
Like, it's just this beautiful
thing that I'm like, tearing up.

675
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,160
I'm like, yeah, man, my kids are
the most important families,

676
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,360
families.
So important that This is why

677
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,280
we're saving the world.
OK, so this is what I was going

678
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,440
to say about Michael Bay though
is like, I understand the

679
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,000
criticisms of Michael Bay.
I don't agree with them because

680
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,640
I think that if you really want
to get like high level film

681
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,000
criticism about Michael Bay, he
is one of our most purely

682
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,200
cinematic film makers in that he
understands like the most primal

683
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,600
version of filmmaking and how to
use film techniques to

684
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,200
manipulate you.
And I don't mean that in a

685
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,520
negative way, but like, every
single thing about the end of

686
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,560
that movie is like, if you have
a cold, dead heart, that is like

687
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,960
the biggest eye roll of a movie
ending in the history of films.

688
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,920
It's just like this guy got
himself a kid.

689
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,160
He picks the kid up and he's
hugging the kid.

690
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,240
And framed directly between
their faces on his bicep is an

691
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,160
American flag.
And it's just like, it's just

692
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,400
like, OK.
And he cuts to the shot of,

693
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,480
like, three kids rounding a
corner in rural America with

694
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,240
little spaceships in their
hands, and he pulls back and

695
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,360
it's a picture of John F
Kennedy's face.

696
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,320
It's just like where, where does
this happen in the real world?

697
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,360
Yeah.
Why are all the scenes in rural

698
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,480
America?
Why did they take place in 1961?

699
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,320
Like even they're.
Why are they drinking?

700
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,720
They're drinking Coca-Cola out
of glass bottles and sitting on

701
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:00,160
57 Chevys.
This is something only Michael

702
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,000
Bay would do.
This is why he's an auteur.

703
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,600
It makes no sense at all.
And yet it makes perfect sense.

704
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,440
He has warped time and space to
bring these children out of the

705
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,880
Grapes of Wrath Dust Bowl with
their overalls and no shirt

706
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,880
underneath.
It's just like it's, it's.

707
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,400
I was looking for a hobo wearing
a barrel.

708
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,400
I was looking at that show.
Up at some point.

709
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,080
Here's the Here's the thing,
though.

710
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:29,240
Guys Like getting into my 30s,
I've grown really tired of being

711
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:33,120
cynical.
And so, like a movie like this

712
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,800
is something that I think I
would have rolled my eyes at

713
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,760
like 6-8 years ago.
But at this point in my life, I

714
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,880
just, I want to believe in
something and and like America

715
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,640
is not necessarily the thing I
want to believe in.

716
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,280
And I I I know that America is
poised.

717
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,920
It's like, you know, we, we
haven't talked yet about all the

718
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,520
international shots of people
around the world watching

719
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,800
America save them, right?
Which is ostensibly what's

720
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,760
happening.
I don't necessarily want to

721
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,600
believe in that.
Like I I don't think that

722
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,000
America is just we we save
everyone all the time and we

723
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,360
can't fall.
Like, that's a silly message.

724
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,800
I think the key though is not
that America is saving everyone.

725
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,640
It's like, what are we being
saved towards?

726
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,600
And I think that's what really
gets me about this movie, is

727
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,320
like, I don't want to be cynical
about America and all this other

728
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,520
stuff and have, you know,
difficult conversations about

729
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,160
who we are in the state of the
world.

730
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,280
I want to look at a family being
reunited or a family being

731
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,600
created and be like it doesn't
matter where you're at in the

732
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,600
world, where you're at in in
history.

733
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,200
There's always something really
beautiful and important about

734
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,760
families being saved and having
a bright future.

735
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,880
And I'm like, that's something
that I I think we all hopefully

736
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,320
can get behind.
You know, whatever your family

737
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,160
looks like, you want to have a
bright future.

738
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,200
And I think that's why this
movie really sticks with me.

739
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Listen, man, even Steve Buscemi
at the end of this film with the

740
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,720
stripper Molly Mouse, yes, yes,
literally says I want to have

741
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:11,840
babies with you.
Like.

742
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,400
And she just makes out with him
when he when he makes that

743
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,040
request.
So I got to be.

744
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,320
Honest It's going on my bingo
card of Armageddon today.

745
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,160
I did not have discussion of the
teleology of Michael Bay and and

746
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,640
the telos of all things on here
but like take me there Brad

747
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
you're you're you're preaching
right now and I have to I have

748
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,880
the unfortunate responsibility
to pull us back from that for a

749
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,400
hot 2nd to continue talking
about this cast.

750
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,240
I think we need to go a kind of
a lightning round here but I

751
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:46,720
want to just crawl down the list
you know in in credit order here

752
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,440
and I want to talk about Billy
Bob Thornton who is also an

753
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,920
actor that I don't know if we've
ever had on this show.

754
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,520
Brad in a in a weird way you'd
think he would show up.

755
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,760
I don't know if he ever has.
I'm going to make perhaps my

756
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,440
most controversial statement of
the entire episode about Billy

757
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,560
Bob Thornton here.
Billy Bob Thornton gives an

758
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Oscar worthy performance in the
film Armageddon and it is it is

759
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:15,440
like a pitch perfect example of
why you need actors to take

760
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,920
roles seriously in the context
of the films they're in.

761
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,760
It's like a Michael Michael
Caine in Muppet Christmas Carol

762
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,520
where it's like if he doesn't
actually make you believe in

763
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,360
that world, that movie falls
apart.

764
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,400
Billy Bob Thornton.
In another actor's hands you

765
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,000
could have had a guy playing a
self serious man who's like a

766
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,440
hard ass and and the role just
doesn't work.

767
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,840
But the actor Billy Bob Thornton
is playing this with as much

768
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,960
gusto and as much of his own
effort as he put in in like a

769
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Sling blade.
And I think because of that,

770
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,360
it's like the only thing keeping
the first hour and a half of

771
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,520
this movie anchored.
Because you're like this guy is

772
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:02,320
desperate, but he has an in
ingenuity and he's thinking on

773
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,640
his feet.
And I trust him as much as I

774
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,880
trust Bruce Willis.
And like, the only reason I'm

775
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,680
willing to go along with the
preposterous preposterousness of

776
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,440
this plot is because I'm bought
into these two guys.

777
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,440
He plays it with a He plays it
with a the matter of factness

778
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,560
that I think really works for
the movie.

779
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,960
When everything crazy is going
on around him.

780
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,320
He very rarely seems flustered
in the movie.

781
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,400
He seems in control of himself
and he seems like a man who has

782
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,320
a job to do and and that's it.
And I think he, Billy Bob

783
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,760
Thornton is good enough that he
can give you kind of hints of

784
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,280
what is roiling inside of him.
But on the surface, he is calm

785
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,080
and he's Placid.
The scene when when Bruce Willis

786
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,600
asks him what the backup plan is
and he's like, oh, we don't have

787
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,840
a backup plan.
Like there's there's no drama in

788
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,880
it.
He just says it like he's

789
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,040
talking about any other task
that he would have to do.

790
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,200
But he's talking about if you
guys fail, the world comes to an

791
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,240
end.
And I think it's a really smart

792
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:58,440
choice by him.
That sort of.

793
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,600
It really does anchor the movie
in a lot.

794
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Yeah, I mean, and to go back to
what you said way earlier, Noah,

795
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,960
the the marvelization of this
all later on, it's like he's

796
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,280
kind of the Samuel Jackson
character, right?

797
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:20,080
He's he's bringing the team
together while also holding 57

798
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,200
other things in tension and
trying to accomplish the best

799
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,920
goal for humanity.
And I like, I think I think that

800
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,320
Billy Bob sets a really
beautiful stage for what comes

801
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,200
later by, by playing that role,
like you said, Bob, with with a

802
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,560
gravitas, with a seriousness
that you you can tell there's

803
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,720
more going on under the surface.
But he knows there's a job to be

804
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,240
done.
And you know, we can talk more

805
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,640
about classic American tropes.
It's like the soldier who has

806
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,760
the job to do.
You know, like we talked about

807
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,760
Saving Private Ryan earlier,
like that Tom Hanks type of

808
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,360
we're going to get the job done
no matter what.

809
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,520
And yeah, Thornton knocks it out
of the park.

810
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Honestly, I I was going to come
in here and say it as well.

811
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,440
Bob, I think he's the best
performance in this film.

812
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Yeah, I agree.
I do think that I was really

813
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,840
impressed by both Ben Affleck
and Liv Tyler this time around.

814
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,840
And Affleck has always been an
actor that people do not give

815
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,440
enough credit to.
I just I really love what he's

816
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,480
able to do, not just as a movie
star, but as an actor.

817
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,920
He is a super intelligent guy.
If you've ever heard him talk,

818
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,520
apparently he just soaks up film
knowledge like a sponge.

819
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,440
But he's always been really good
at playing.

820
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,120
Not necessarily like a dim
witted guy, but a guy who is

821
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,160
like one step behind the hero.
Like he does it really well in

822
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,160
goodwill hunting.
He does it really well here and

823
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,480
if you if you've ever listened
to clips online, Brad, I'm sure

824
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,880
I've sent some to you at some
point.

825
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,080
He recorded ADVD commentary for
Armageddon where he was famously

826
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,440
drunk and just railing against
the movie like he hated making

827
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,360
this movie.
You can't tell him.

828
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,560
I don't think I've heard this.
Dude, you got to look it up

829
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,920
afterwards, but you can't tell
in the performance.

830
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,000
It's a really good, really
committed performance.

831
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,280
And that last moment, you know
of him in that elevator going up

832
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:15,160
as Bruce Willis is like my son.
It's it's played so beautifully,

833
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,640
man.
I have to give the guy credit.

834
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,840
I think he's really good at it
and I I'm not the biggest fan of

835
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,080
his acting to be honest with
you.

836
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,640
I sort of had a up and down
relationship with him over the

837
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,680
years and I was a big Chase and
Amy guy.

838
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,320
So when when he he followed
Chase and Amy up with this I was

839
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,160
like oh this is his big sell out
movie you know and and it is a

840
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,280
what I like about the
performance is he's playing a

841
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,240
guy who is young and is is
saying stupid things and making

842
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:47,280
kind of stupid decisions and he
he plays that really, really

843
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,600
smartly where you know he's a
better guy than this.

844
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,520
You know there's a more mature
guy than this underneath but

845
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,280
when he's he's sniping at at
Harry, you know whether it's on

846
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,280
his on his new oil field or
whether it's during the training

847
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,560
montages and stuff.
He really plays him like a hurt

848
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,320
kid in a lot of ways and and
it's a such a smart decision

849
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,880
because it pays off so much in
that final scene that you're

850
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,200
talking about where they really
enact this father son dynamic to

851
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,480
its to its utmost.
But I think a lot of that

852
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,560
groundwork is is is actually
laid more by Affleck than it is

853
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,400
by Willis.
Is is the on the noseness of Bay

854
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,920
in this movie a detraction or a
a a boon for for you guys?

855
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,640
Because there's a lot of things.
I was going to say before even.

856
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,840
Father Son dynamic.
Yeah.

857
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,120
Before I even answer that
question, Brad, I like how you

858
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,480
waited until now to be like,
this is on the nose.

859
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,440
Like we just talked about
everything else Michael Bay's

860
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,400
done in this movie.
But this was the point where

861
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,000
you're like, maybe a little
much, Michael Bay.

862
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,400
This guy's not much for
subtlety, is he?

863
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:55,440
Guys I.
Don't know if you noticed, as a

864
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,920
first time viewer I picked up on
it immediately.

865
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,080
Yeah, the father son dynamics
are everywhere in this movie.

866
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,720
Brad, we no we have a long
standing running joke on the

867
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,280
podcast about like.
I was gonna say, wow, Bob likes

868
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,120
Armageddon.
I wonder.

869
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,080
Why I'm always a sucker for the
father son dynamics in movies.

870
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,120
And Brad, you know Brad has a
very rosy relationship with his

871
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,240
father and so like they they
don't affect him at all.

872
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,960
But anytime, like, you know,
bridges get mended in a father

873
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,280
son relationship, I'm like, Bob,
some waterworks.

874
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Oh yeah, 100%.
We needed we needed probably the

875
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,360
game of catch on the asteroid
between Affleck and Willis.

876
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,360
Oh yeah.
I mean, you almost did he.

877
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,280
He throws the rock and it
inspires him.

878
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,920
We needed Bruce Willis to catch
it on the other side of the

879
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,840
rock, though.
That's what we.

880
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,720
Yeah, he.
Just like kind of catches in his

881
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,920
hand.
He's like this feels important

882
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,000
before we go to break.
I want to talk about the other

883
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,120
half of the parental and child
figure thing, which is Liv

884
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,520
Tyler, who I also think does a
really great job in this movie.

885
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,080
And she's an actress who has
made a great career for herself,

886
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,920
but I feel like never quite
broke through in the early

887
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,400
2000s.
You know, she, she plays Arwen

888
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,280
in Lord of the Rings and then
kind of doesn't fade into

889
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,400
obscurity.
But she pops up in a in a horror

890
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,160
movie like in the early 2000
Tens that I I can't remember The

891
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,320
Strangers.
Is that what it's called?

892
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,640
You know, she's still working.
I forgot how good she was.

893
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,480
And it it takes away a little
bit that like half of her scenes

894
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,440
are set to songs being sung by
her dad in real time.

895
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:29,440
But I I still think that last
moment of her weeping as Bruce

896
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Willis is talking to her is
paired with perhaps my favorite

897
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,920
shot in the whole movie.
And it is a shot that makes no

898
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,200
sense, realistically.
But it's when, like the the TV

899
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,640
transmission cuts out and she's
like her hand is on the thing

900
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,640
and then the camera dollies back
to reveal like a whole wall of

901
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,760
televisions that are gone, that
have lost satellite feed.

902
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,680
It's a.
Compelling shot.

903
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,880
It's.
So good.

904
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,000
And it it's BAE framing her in a
really great way, but she also

905
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,240
sells it, man.
Yeah, I mean, the thing I knew

906
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,880
about Liv Tyler before this,
like, truly, I had only really

907
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,760
seen her in Lord of the Rings,
some of my favorite movies of

908
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,840
all time, and maybe like a few
other films.

909
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,640
And I I don't know, this is
probably mean, but like the

910
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,240
thing I knew about Liv Tyler, he
said she kind of talked like

911
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:23,000
this in every movie.
Like, I just don't know if I've

912
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,040
ever heard a more breathy actor
in my life or actress.

913
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,200
And in this movie.
This is the first time I've

914
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,560
watched her in something outside
of Lord of the Rings where that

915
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,880
voice makes sense as an elf,
where I'm like, oh, she doesn't

916
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,960
do that at all.
Here.

917
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,000
She takes everything really
seriously.

918
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,840
She is fiery and and just has
this goal and this dream.

919
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,920
And as as you know her character
has this dream and she gets

920
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,520
after it.
I loved her in this movie.

921
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,240
I I thought she brought a lot of
emotional depth to the

922
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:00,280
character.
That makes Bruce Willis's like

923
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,120
stoicism feel more heartfelt,
because you can tell that people

924
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:10,360
actually love him and and like
their responses to who he is at

925
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,080
the darkest of moments.
Tell you more about the

926
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,040
character than Bruce Willis ever
does, and and it sells the

927
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,520
entire premise of him and who he
is as the sacrificial hero.

928
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,720
It's a tough role in a lot of
ways because outside of the

929
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:29,760
first scene where she is really
like in charge, in that first

930
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,840
scene when she's taking the the
investors around and she's

931
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,400
lecturing her father about how
she's independent and all that,

932
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,280
that's a really great
performance by her in that

933
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,160
scene.
But the rest of it, like, is a

934
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,280
lot of like looking worried and
looking sad and and looking

935
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,320
angry.
And it's on the page.

936
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,520
I think there's not actually
that much there.

937
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,880
But she brings a lot to it.
There's a lot of raw emotion,

938
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,200
like many multiple different
kinds of emotion in her

939
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,440
performance.
That I think is is really

940
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,240
effective because you got these,
you got these these nutty dudes,

941
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,600
you know in that spaceship and
in that on that asteroid really

942
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,040
doing kind of like shtick, you
know, for a lot of the movie and

943
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,600
then her and to another extent
Billy Bob, I think they grounded

944
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,440
in in some real raw emotion.
And by the way, I'm sorry to be

945
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,520
a dude, but she is just
unbelievably beautiful in this

946
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,120
movie as well.
She's so beautiful, in fact,

947
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,320
that Michael Bay's like, how do
I show off her body?

948
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,560
And then Ben Affleck walks up to
him off screen and he's like,

949
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:31,760
hey, you want some animal
crackers?

950
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,080
And he's like, Oh my God, I've
got it.

951
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,320
We're gonna make the weirdest,
most awkward sex like foreplay

952
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,240
scene of all time.
So that scene and then the scene

953
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,680
where they sing leaving on a jet
plane are pretty infamous for

954
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,680
being ridiculously corny and
schmaltzy.

955
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,520
The thing that I find funny
about that animal cracker scene

956
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,440
is the little bit of
observational humor that they

957
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,200
try to drop into it, where he
starts doing this bit about how

958
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,280
animal crackers aren't crackers,
'cause you can't put cheese on

959
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,120
them.
They're just trying to give Ben

960
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,960
Affleck something funny to do.
I think it speaks to the

961
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,600
influence of like Seinfeld at
this time in 1998 that they were

962
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,040
just like, let's throw some
Seinfeldian humor in here just

963
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,280
to lie.
With animal crackers, I I do

964
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,560
love that the.
Point where the scene wants to

965
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:20,160
get serious again is that he has
just shoved an animal cracker

966
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,760
inside of her panties and she
looks at him and says, Do you

967
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,480
think anyone else in the world
is doing this very same thing?

968
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,520
Like no, no they're not.
No one's doing this, Liv Tyler.

969
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,480
At at this point there's like,
what, 5 billion people on the

970
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,280
Earth, 5 1/2?
I could confidently say.

971
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,080
No, and he says, he says if they
aren't, what are we trying to

972
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,240
save?
So he is on the record saying he

973
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,760
is trying to save for people the
right to put animal crackers in

974
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,760
each other's under carpets.
And on that note, Brad, I think

975
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,440
it is time.
For us to drink some whiskey,

976
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,680
drink some.
Whiskey.

977
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,360
That's right.
I need to cope with that fact.

978
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,000
So what do you say we go try
this down home Rye?

979
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,520
I'm ready, man.
Let's get to it.

980
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,400
All right everybody.
Today we are drinking some down

981
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,280
home toasted barrel finish rye
whiskey.

982
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:19,320
Bob, this is a 112 proof whiskey
that was very difficult to find

983
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,560
any information about.
Incredibly difficult Brad.

984
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:28,040
I I you know in my current job I
work in digital marketing and so

985
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,400
I do a lot of search engine
optimization.

986
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,040
You know, I I've tried to get
people up the ranks of Google

987
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,240
and boy oh boy.
If if down home is hiring, let

988
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:40,960
me know because folks, it is
really hard to find information

989
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,160
about this brand.
I found a very helpful article

990
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,080
on a website called The Bourbon
Culture.

991
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,840
And the first line of that
article, the guy talks about how

992
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,800
hard it was to find information
on the brand.

993
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,120
So like, he has done most of the
work for us.

994
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:58,000
This is apparently a brand that
was started out of whiskey thief

995
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,360
distilling.
They're located near Frankfort,

996
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,480
KY.
They distill their own stuff,

997
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,440
but they decided to do a line of
sourced product and they're

998
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,360
calling that down home.
Now what I've been able to piece

999
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,840
together is that this particular
product, because they have a

1000
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,320
different line, is MGP Rye.
It didn't come from any local

1001
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,560
distillery or anything like
that.

1002
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,040
It's MGP Rye, which means it's
probably 95-5, but we're not

1003
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,080
entirely sure of the mash bill.
We're not entirely sure of the

1004
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,280
age, but I've seen four to five
years.

1005
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,640
All we know really is that it is
a toasted barrel finish and that

1006
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:36,600
this company down home has a lot
of customization options.

1007
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:40,960
Like I was just looking at their
their page on the Party Sources

1008
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,800
website.
They sell at this big store in

1009
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,840
Kentucky called the Party Store
and you can get different wax

1010
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,040
dips and everything else.
So this is a bottle that's being

1011
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,360
sold at a premium price, but it
is very small batch and you know

1012
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,200
we shall see if it commands the
price for a reason.

1013
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,440
Brad.
Yeah, I mean at the end of the

1014
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:03,400
day, Bob MGP 95.5 Rye is is well
known for a reason.

1015
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,480
They're usually putting out
really, really good whiskey.

1016
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,200
Enough to the point that, like,
if someday I was in an old

1017
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,520
person's home and had lost my
mind, but like certain things

1018
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,880
for my youth still stuck out, I
feel like if I heard somebody

1019
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:22,480
say 95.5, I'd be like I'm GP
Ryan, so tasty.

1020
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,640
Wait, wait just one second.
I This is completely off topic,

1021
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,240
but because we're talking
Armageddon today and you're

1022
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,560
talking about memory loss, yes,
we're not going to get back to

1023
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,240
this.
But.

1024
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:39,120
But the plot point of he has
space dementia, like it's just

1025
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,280
said and then thrown away and
never brought back up again.

1026
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,640
Not like space amnesia.
Not space, you know

1027
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,560
schizophrenia, space dementia,
like what?

1028
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,240
What's going on?
Yeah, naturally, Bob.

1029
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:53,920
It's what happens when you go
out to space and your name is

1030
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,080
Steve Buscemi.
You just simultaneously become

1031
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,880
brilliant 'cause I don't think
he was brilliant.

1032
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,320
Before they left, he told
everyone he was.

1033
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Brilliant, but he was, mostly.
Just everyone.

1034
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,240
But yeah, he's mostly just a
pervert, but all of a sudden

1035
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:09,920
he's brilliant and then he's
crazy.

1036
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,760
Yes, and and crucially, still a
pervert hashtag space space

1037
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:15,840
dementia.
All right.

1038
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,440
Brad, as we dive into this, I
want to say thank you very much

1039
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,720
for the trip down memory lane,
because do you remember what

1040
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,920
type of bottle you gave me my
little sample of this whiskey

1041
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,320
in?
Oh, I do not.

1042
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,880
It is a Cracker Barrel Maple
syrup.

1043
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,720
Bottle.
Hey, there it is.

1044
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:33,480
This, folks.
We discovered back in like

1045
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,880
season one that these tiny Maple
syrup bottles from Cracker

1046
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,360
Barrel are just the perfect size
for whiskey samples.

1047
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,960
And this was all we could do
back then.

1048
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,960
We couldn't afford to just buy
bottles on Amazon.

1049
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,040
And so I appreciate the trip
down memory lane.

1050
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:48,920
Brad.
What?

1051
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,440
I remember you telling me that
you you're like every time I go

1052
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,960
to Cracker Barrel now I ask for
like 7 syrups.

1053
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,520
They're like, no wonder you have
diabetes, man.

1054
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:02,960
All right, man, let's dive into
this.

1055
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,440
I am drinking it live.
You've tried it already, so why

1056
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,840
don't you hit us with your notes
on the nose?

1057
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,960
Bob, this is a absolutely
classic rye nose.

1058
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:16,120
There's rye, there's a a hint of
mint.

1059
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,560
The dill comes through a little
more strongly for me and it's

1060
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,800
got a nice fresh, like white
frosting.

1061
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Kind of a creamy white frosting
that just is sugary and

1062
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,080
delicious and I really like
this.

1063
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,360
I gave it an 8.5 on the nose.
I don't think there's anything

1064
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,360
wrong with this nose, but it
makes me a little bit.

1065
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,160
I'm like, cautiously optimistic
because you're right, it tips in

1066
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,200
more to like the sour notes that
we get in rye sometimes.

1067
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,640
It's actually a little bit more
yeasty than I'm used to, and I

1068
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,400
think that this might be a sign
of that toasted barrel finish

1069
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,160
poking through Brad.
I'm going to be 100% honest, I

1070
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,120
don't usually like toasted
barrel stuff because I feel like

1071
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:58,800
it.
It brings out all of the worst

1072
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:03,080
characteristics of the oak and
and like pretty much every

1073
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,880
toasted barrel finish we've had,
we've been like, oh, this would

1074
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,000
have been much better as a
double oat product than than as

1075
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,160
a toasted oak finish.
So I'm worried that some of

1076
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,600
these sour notes are not the
rye, but they're actually that

1077
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,840
toasted oak.
I'm going to give it A7, with

1078
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,360
the caveat that like, no,
there's nothing wrong here, but

1079
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,520
it it portends bad things for
me.

1080
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Bob, you're You score things
wildly, man.

1081
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,720
Every time you give a score that
you're a little iffy on, you're

1082
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,080
like, it's not actually what I'm
experiencing.

1083
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,720
I'm just basing it off of like,
feelings and vibes, man.

1084
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:43,640
Yeah, man.
Oh man, I love doing this

1085
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,120
podcast with you.
Oh, you want you want some notes

1086
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,640
on the taste, 'cause I just took
a sip.

1087
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,040
Bring them.
It's really good.

1088
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,720
It's so good.
The toasted oak complements rye

1089
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,480
a lot better than it complements
bourbon because it just it

1090
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,200
basically makes it taste like
rye times 10.

1091
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,200
Like it just compounds the
flavors, especially those minty

1092
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,320
and dill forward flavors.
So it just it doesn't taste like

1093
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,160
a sour rye, it just tastes like
like if you're not a fan of rye,

1094
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,360
this is not going to be for you
because this is like as rye as

1095
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,360
rye gets, but in the flavors
play really well together.

1096
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,880
Man, I'm going to give this an
8.5 on the flavor.

1097
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,720
Yeah, I'm.
I'm at a nine out of 10 on the

1098
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,760
palate.
This is all the rye you want.

1099
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,640
Sweet mint dill comes through
strong, the vanilla.

1100
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,400
There's cream cheese it the
sweet flavors that it brings

1101
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,920
about aren't like specific.
It's just a nice little

1102
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,320
foundation underneath the
explosion of rye that you get

1103
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,320
here.
Big, big fan.

1104
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,920
I think the finish comes down a
little bit from where we were at

1105
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:55,200
on the on the pallet.
It dissipates somewhat quickly

1106
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,160
for me.
It almost goes from like a nice

1107
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,000
fresh vanilla bean and turns
into like a vanilla extract

1108
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,720
flavor.
It stays mint tea.

1109
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,960
It jumps into the realm of dark
kind of cacao chocolate area,

1110
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,400
which I like.
It's a really solid finish that

1111
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,240
I'll give an 8 out of 10.
Yeah.

1112
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,080
Dissipates is a really good term
for this because it doesn't drop

1113
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,760
off a Cliff.
But it almost, it kind of mimics

1114
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,360
the flavors on my tongue of like
a mineral water.

1115
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,600
Like there's just a little bit
of like, it's really refreshing.

1116
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,160
It's mouth watering.
And then you do get some of that

1117
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,440
kind of mineral, you know, I
don't know what the word is,

1118
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,160
minerality, I'll say it's, you
know what I mean?

1119
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,440
Like, what's the word I?
Think I think Bob has space

1120
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:40,640
dementia.
I'm shocked that this is 112

1121
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,360
proof, Brad, because there's
absolutely no chest burn on the

1122
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,600
way down, which is, I mean, you
know, it's a good thing.

1123
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,560
It's a very smooth drinking
whiskey.

1124
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:52,160
However, it kind of drops off.
Yeah.

1125
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,640
And and that's OK, like it's a
pleasant finish, it's just not a

1126
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,480
very long one.
So I'm just going to give it a

1127
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,440
6.5 on the finish.
Balance wise, I personally think

1128
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,160
that this is incredibly well
balanced.

1129
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,200
I'll give it an 8 1/2 here.
You you get all of the flavors

1130
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,760
you want with just enough
complexity to give it a high

1131
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,920
score, yeah.
I'm going to give it an 8.

1132
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,520
I do think that the finish was a
step down from the rest of the

1133
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,480
tasting experience.
The nose was good, I was just

1134
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,040
cautiously optimistic.
The flavor's really, really good

1135
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,960
here.
I just think that this this

1136
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,000
could be a pretty dangerous,
high proof whiskey because of

1137
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,240
how your body does not, does not
fight against it at all.

1138
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,120
Do you know what I mean?
Like there's no chest burn,

1139
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,040
there's no wincing involved and
it sounds like a great time and

1140
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,640
I'm sure it is for the first two
pores and then you are just face

1141
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,160
down in the mud.
So I'm gonna give this an 8 on

1142
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,480
balance.
And Brad, what's that?

1143
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,680
Faced out in the mud.
Probably.

1144
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,960
Brad, what's this selling for?
I don't even know if it's sold

1145
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,880
in the state of Ohio.
So in general, what would a

1146
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,000
bottle of this cost you?
Yeah, the the best I could tell

1147
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,360
it's in the 85 to $100 range.
So I said like $9095.

1148
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,480
I think at that price point this
is like a seven.

1149
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,400
I I think it's a decent value,
not great there.

1150
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,240
There's just enough flavor going
on here for me to say I would

1151
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,440
enjoy drinking this regularly.
But I'll also say this, you can

1152
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,000
get MGPS at a lot of different
places.

1153
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,160
So I don't know if like $9095 is
the right price point for you.

1154
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,520
For me it's.
It's a decent value.

1155
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:42,000
Yeah, I'm just going to give it,
I don't know, a 5 1/2 on value.

1156
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,840
It's hand selected barrels.
It's a really small batch.

1157
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,280
Rye is typically more expensive
than bourbon.

1158
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,120
I get all that.
It's just like 80 something

1159
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,880
dollars is a lot to ask and it's
like 4 to 5 year old rye.

1160
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,880
It's not like we're talking 10
year old rye here.

1161
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,960
So at that price it doesn't
really distinguish itself in

1162
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:02,920
terms of competition from the
market.

1163
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,320
So it's right in the middle
there.

1164
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,880
I think a 5 1/2 is a really good
place for this.

1165
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,480
Brad.
I'm only coming out to a 35.5 on

1166
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,080
this one, and I will say that,
like, I think that if we're just

1167
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,600
talking about taste of this
thing, it is a significantly

1168
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,760
better whiskey than that.
The value is really harming it

1169
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,720
in my estimation.
Yeah, I I'd say so.

1170
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,760
I I think that your low nose
score also doesn't didn't help.

1171
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,680
I'm coming to a 41 out of 50
Bob.

1172
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:36,840
I I was a very big fan of this.
All right, Brad, that's taking

1173
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,960
us to an average of a 38.25.
I actually think that's a really

1174
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,600
good score for this, because I
don't know that I liked it quite

1175
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,800
enough to put it in that 40 out
of 50 echelon.

1176
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,280
It's a really, really good
whiskey.

1177
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,160
I also just think that they're
asking a little bit too much for

1178
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,120
a bottle here.
Yeah, no, I I totally understand

1179
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,000
that.
I I personally would recommend

1180
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,960
this.
I think it's a solid pour, but

1181
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,920
if the price point's a little
out of your range, go by

1182
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,040
Woodford double oat, I don't
know, get like get something

1183
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,160
along those lines.
That is going to be a

1184
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,880
spectacular pour.
I was going to say this costs as

1185
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,000
much almost as a bottle of your
beloved barrel seagrass.

1186
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,520
Yeah, and that's why barrel
seagrass is a 10 out of 10

1187
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,800
value.
That was going to say like you

1188
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,920
still think this is a 7/7 and
1/2 value when you're comparing

1189
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:34,000
it to that rye.
Yeah, I I think it's still maybe

1190
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,080
like 6 1/2 seven.
Aha, right.

1191
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,200
We might come down a tiny.
Bit inching our way down here.

1192
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,040
All right, man, let's get back
to talking about Armageddon with

1193
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,960
our friend Noah Gettel.
What do you say?

1194
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:53,160
Let's get to it.
All right, everybody that was

1195
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:56,720
down home toasted barrel finish
a whiskey.

1196
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,680
That it is on the cusp of
greatness, which which I I feel

1197
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,520
like is kind of where this movie
is at for me.

1198
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,200
You know, I I wanted to make
some clever statement about like

1199
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:12,000
they're yearning to to come back
home and down home here in the

1200
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,640
Americana of Michael Bay.
Yeah, that's good.

1201
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,320
Man, oh, come on.
All right, Brad, I am resting on

1202
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,040
my laurels right now, perhaps
dangerously so, but as of right

1203
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:29,040
now, I believe that your boy is
7 and two on the season at our

1204
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,680
next game, which we call 2 facts
and a falsehood.

1205
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,440
Brad is gonna try to stump your
ball.

1206
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:43,640
Two are right and what is wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

1207
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,280
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

1208
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,520
with three items about the
making of this movie, all of

1209
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,560
which are presented as fact, one
of which he has completely

1210
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,680
made-up, and it's my job to
figure out which one that is.

1211
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,840
Brad correction, I am at 8:00
and 2:00 on the season.

1212
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,840
Oh my gosh.
And I really am enjoying this

1213
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,200
strategy where we brought all of
our guests in at the front end

1214
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,080
of the season to help me pad my
stats so that when I'm actually

1215
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:12,520
on my own in the back half of
the season, I can, you know, I

1216
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,320
can just plummet in the the
rankings and still finish like

1217
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,280
500.
I was to say when you're like,

1218
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,760
oh, and nine for the last.
Time.

1219
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:25,680
As as like a as an NBA fan and
and enjoying the MLB, it's

1220
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:29,560
always fun to look at the
rankings and see like, oh like

1221
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,320
such as you know the Celtics are
in first place but they're only

1222
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,360
six and four in the last 10 like
it.

1223
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,560
It's always fun to look at the
last 10 and I can't wait for you

1224
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,000
to be two and eight.
Yeah, but you're also forgetting

1225
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,080
about when a team clinches their
playoff berth and then they just

1226
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,200
don't care about the last 10
games of the season.

1227
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,880
So that's kind of where I'm
feeling like I'm at now.

1228
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,960
Brad, humble me a bit with your
two facts and a falsehood.

1229
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,240
Fact #1 The original script did
not actually include the

1230
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:01,080
romantic subplot between AJ and
Grace played by Ben Affleck and

1231
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,360
Liv Tyler, and instead had more
emphasis on Truman.

1232
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,720
It was added the the romantic
subplot after the success of a

1233
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:13,320
very small film known as Titanic
with teenage girls.

1234
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,280
Fact #2.
The New York street scene took

1235
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,640
four days to shoot.
According to director Michael

1236
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,800
Bay, they had to design a system
of flipping the cars so that

1237
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,600
they could flip them very close
to the extras without actually

1238
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:32,480
hitting any of them.
Fact #3, The Godzilla killing

1239
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,360
dog at the start of the movie
was based on director Michael

1240
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,160
Bay's own experience, who said
that he saw a dog in Los Angeles

1241
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,680
destroying a Godzilla doll and
thought that the irony was just

1242
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,040
too perfect to not use in a
script.

1243
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,320
OK, so Noah, I am going to
consult you today.

1244
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,800
Now here are the rules of my
consultation.

1245
01:07:53,160 --> 01:08:00,480
I charge by the hour.
If we lose, I get 2 losses in

1246
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,600
the loss column because your
your failure compounds upon me.

1247
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,360
And so if we win, I only get one
victory.

1248
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,320
Yeah, it's harsh, but I think it
makes for better audio to talk

1249
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,840
to you about it.
Why?

1250
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,080
Yeah, that's the only reason I
would even do this, because

1251
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,120
otherwise it seems like I have
nothing to gain from helping

1252
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,760
you.
I just want to bounce this.

1253
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:26,640
Off.
We like.

1254
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,960
We like to put our guests in a
position where they have

1255
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,359
everything to lose.
That.

1256
01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:32,520
That's our stick.
If you want to come back for a

1257
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,279
third time, you will get this
right now.

1258
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,000
You know, last time we did this,
I I LED you astray.

1259
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,120
I don't know if you remember
that.

1260
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,800
OK, well then maybe I won't,
maybe I won't consult you.

1261
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,359
I'm just going to say this.
I'll say let me say let me say

1262
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:50,000
one thing, I was listening and
as part of my job as guest is to

1263
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,640
listen and the the Titanic thing
threw me a little bit because

1264
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,720
Titanic came out in December of
97 memory serves and this movie

1265
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:03,600
came out in the summer of 98.
So I'm trying to figure out how

1266
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,240
they would have changed such a
significant part of the movie in

1267
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,200
such a short period of time.
I agree.

1268
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,319
I think that one sounds very
fake.

1269
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,560
I also think that three sounds
at least a little bit fake.

1270
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,359
And I always took the Godzilla
thing as kind of a fun shot that

1271
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,720
Bey was taking at Roland
Emmerich because they were

1272
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,560
developing Godzilla at the same
time this movie was coming out.

1273
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,920
Now whether that's the story,
whether Bey just kind of said,

1274
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,560
Oh no, no, no, I put that in
because I saw a dog doing that.

1275
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:37,160
I don't know, one in three stand
out to me as the the potential

1276
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,800
falsehoods #2 seemed very, very
realistic.

1277
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,240
It sounds like Michael Bay would
be like, yeah, we really had

1278
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,960
problems not crushing extras
with our cars.

1279
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:54,200
They just always get in the way,
you know, Brad, I think I'm not

1280
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,600
gonna drag this out.
I'm just gonna say that I think

1281
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,920
#1 is the falsehood, and I'll
lock that in as my final answer

1282
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:07,200
here.
Bob, as always, these are facts

1283
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:13,840
drawn from the IMDb trivia page,
and fact number one is indeed

1284
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,120
true.
This is your first loss invite,

1285
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,640
but I think you were like 9 and
one at this point in the last

1286
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:22,880
10.
Yeah man.

1287
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,840
It was eight and two, and now I
am eight and three and Noah is

1288
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,160
joining us for the last time on
film and whiskey.

1289
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,360
Oh wait, I'm eight and.
Four, right.

1290
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,920
I got eight and four now.
Yeah, you get 2 losses.

1291
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,800
Here's.
So the one thing I will say is

1292
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,040
that a few of the trivia facts
that I read said that one of the

1293
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,840
issues that BAE had with this
film, as well as some of the

1294
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,800
actors was the, like
fantastically rushed production

1295
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:54,000
schedule, that this was made
like really tight.

1296
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:59,720
And so I like I know what you
know infinitely more than I do

1297
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,520
about the world of film.
But that would be the only thing

1298
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,680
I I read that might explain the
Titanic kind of turn around

1299
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,200
time.
Because the the fact also said

1300
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,720
like this was added somewhat
late in the production schedule

1301
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,160
and a lot a lot of the romantic
scenes were shot near the end of

1302
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,680
the.
Production schedule, Yeah.

1303
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,040
And maybe we're just talking
about like one or two scenes,

1304
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,520
right?
Maybe we're just talking about

1305
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,920
the Animal Crackers scene.
I guess if that's the case, that

1306
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:29,320
is possible.
He saw these.

1307
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,160
Real quick, before you go, can
we shoot a scene with you and

1308
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,720
Liv?
Like, Oh yeah, What?

1309
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:35,840
What's it gonna be?
It's you.

1310
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,000
Know, don't worry about.
It Animal crackers in her

1311
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,760
underwear?
Yep.

1312
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,720
We don't have time to debate
this one, guys.

1313
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,520
Let's just shoot.
It you're under contract, man.

1314
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,360
Get on site.
All right guys, let's let's

1315
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:50,760
pivot away from the animal
crackers.

1316
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,920
We keep coming back to this like
pulling us in like a like a

1317
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,720
Whirlpool here.
Brad, I want to talk to you a

1318
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,560
little bit about the effects of
this movie.

1319
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,400
So this is the third year in a
row that we're doing a really

1320
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,520
heavily effects driven movie.
I guess technically, even if you

1321
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,080
wanted to go back to True Lies,
we've been on these big budget

1322
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,560
effects movies.
I know Independence Day won the

1323
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,360
Oscar for visual effects.
Men in Black did not because

1324
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,080
Titanic won.
I can't recall if Armageddon

1325
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,600
wins the Oscar for visual
effects this year, but I imagine

1326
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,680
that it was at least nominated.
What I really noted this time

1327
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,520
around is how much of this is
done practically.

1328
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,000
Like the the surface of the
asteroid is pretty much all

1329
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:31,520
practical and it's sometimes it
looks a little shoddy with their

1330
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:36,520
weird stalactites and stuff.
But even a lot of the, like

1331
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,840
spaceship floating in outer
space and blowing up, like at

1332
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,320
the beginning of the movie where
the the guy's fixing the

1333
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,880
satellite and then it blows up,
it's really clear that they just

1334
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,920
kind of had a sound stage with a
black background and then just

1335
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,440
filmed something blowing up on
it.

1336
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:55,320
And I got to be honest, because
Bae's cutting style is so rapid,

1337
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,640
it still holds up really, really
well.

1338
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,920
Like I I thought that because so
much of it was practical,

1339
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:04,040
there's not a lot for me to
complain about with the visual

1340
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,280
effects here, you know, over 25
years later.

1341
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,040
I think another reason why it
works is because he knows when

1342
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:15,800
not to light things super well.
And so many of the the effects

1343
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:20,280
happen when they're in space and
the the ship is on a black

1344
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,120
background and the ship itself
is kind of a dark Gray.

1345
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:29,360
And it's not this like bright,
flashy, obvious CG, you know,

1346
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,640
early CG thing that's just
doesn't look good.

1347
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,280
And I kind of felt that way
about Independence Day, where

1348
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:41,680
you see this alien ship flying
like over the desert that's like

1349
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:46,240
really bright, and it just makes
it feel so obvious that it's

1350
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,880
fake, that it just works better
in space where everything's

1351
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,080
dark.
And I I I can't get away from

1352
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,720
this without saying it.
It watching movies like this

1353
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:04,320
make me even more deeply
appreciate 1977 Star Wars.

1354
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:09,840
Like the the practical effects
in Star Wars in my opinion, look

1355
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,760
almost better than what you have
here.

1356
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,400
And it was 20 years earlier.
So I I just, I always come back

1357
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,640
in amazement to what Lucasfilm
was doing back then.

1358
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,480
I agree with that.
I think I slightly disagree on

1359
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:27,640
the effects and how effective
the effects are in this movie,

1360
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,760
but if they work for me.
But part of the reason they work

1361
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,320
is that they occasionally do
look shoddy.

1362
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:37,520
I think some of the CGI looks
pretty shoddy, but then again,

1363
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,080
some of it looks shoddy today.
Like a lot of it looks shoddy

1364
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,960
today.
So I don't know that it's really

1365
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,520
much worse.
But you know, some of the scenes

1366
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,400
where they're, you know, where
they're jumping over the Canyon

1367
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,880
on the asteroid, for example,
like it looks a little like a,

1368
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,720
you know, like a psychedelic,
you know, nightmare.

1369
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,760
And I don't know that that's on
purpose.

1370
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,800
And then when they're on the
asteroid doing the drilling like

1371
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,800
it is, it's so very clearly
feels like a sound stage.

1372
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,680
And I like that about it.
I mean, there's something about

1373
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:12,120
the combination of of reaching
for the CGI and not always being

1374
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,240
able to stick the landing there.
And then also just shooting this

1375
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,200
movie, like the same way they
shot Alien movies in the 50s,

1376
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,480
just a bunch of dudes in in
suits on a sound stage.

1377
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:25,400
I mean, there's something about
that that feels almost nostalgic

1378
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,520
and charming and like, like
these are despite all of this

1379
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,520
money and Michael Bay's enormous
ego and all this stuff, it's

1380
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,320
just a bunch of guys wearing
suits on the sound stage

1381
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,080
pretending to be in outer space.
And I don't know.

1382
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,040
I mean, I I I kind of feel like
I'm arguing that, like every

1383
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,280
flaw in this movie is also part
of its charms.

1384
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,840
So I'm losing my credibility
here.

1385
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:46,880
But that that's how I feel about
the that particular aspect.

1386
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,920
The Film and Whiskey podcast
where critics come to lose their

1387
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:54,200
credibility.
There's a moment, let's say real

1388
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:58,080
quick, just to Noah's point,
Brad, there's a moment where the

1389
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:02,640
the big guy, Max is drilling.
It's right before he dies and he

1390
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,520
hits a pocket of something and
then there's an earthquake on

1391
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,400
top of it.
They go, Oh my God, earthquake.

1392
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:10,400
The ground is splitting and it's
very clear that they're on a

1393
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,560
sound stage and that they've
designed some sort of rig where

1394
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,720
the the ground parts.
And Bruce Willis, if you watch

1395
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,560
really closely, he kind of
misses his mark because he's

1396
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,680
supposed to fall into the
crevice and he kind of runs and

1397
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:26,120
then like jumps into the crevice
to make it look like his leg has

1398
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,120
fallen in.
And I like, to your point, Noah,

1399
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,720
I'm like, first of all just use
a different take Michael Bay.

1400
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,440
But also like there's something
so tactile and charming about

1401
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:41,040
the fact that no, Bruce Willis's
leg really did fall into a

1402
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,040
crevice.
Like even though it was man made

1403
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,720
and and created on a sound stage
we didn't have to CGI this thing

1404
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:51,360
And and I so appreciate that
like there's doing this season

1405
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:57,400
Brad has made me really think
about how much we've lost in the

1406
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,960
last 10 years where you know we
talked about it last week with

1407
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,080
men in black.
I don't know that they would

1408
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,840
even throw a bucket of bug guts
on somebody today.

1409
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,760
They would CGI even that and
it's like the the bug guts

1410
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,680
probably cost $10 and a couple
packets of gelatin to make and

1411
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,440
and now he'll spend $100,000 to
recreate that shot in the

1412
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,240
computer and it doesn't feel as
real.

1413
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,680
And so there is still something
about even though there are

1414
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:25,920
cheesy elements to guys getting
sucked out the front windshield

1415
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,560
of this clearly fake spaceship,
it still feels more real than

1416
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:36,640
watching it get done in CG.
Yeah, no, I dude, I from the

1417
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:42,120
time I was 14 or 15 watching
like the Two Towers Fellowship

1418
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:49,520
return, Like I've always been an
ardent defender of CG being used

1419
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:54,640
to kind of enhance the edges of
a film, but using practical

1420
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:59,880
effects to achieve that that
lived in feel that worlds need

1421
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,960
to have to be effective as
movies.

1422
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,360
But I think we all know that
that's better.

1423
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,240
Like, I actually haven't seen
Godzilla -1, but from what I

1424
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,640
hear, a big part of what people
love about that movie is that it

1425
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,880
does use practical effects.
I'm sure there's quite a bit of

1426
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:20,040
CGI as well in it, and it's
about to win the Oscar for for

1427
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,280
Best Visual Effects.
This year it's it's almost

1428
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,720
certainly going to win.
And I feel like we go through

1429
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,640
this all the time with various
movies.

1430
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,760
I mean that practical effects
are still better because despite

1431
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,880
all the advances that have come
in Computer Generated imagery,

1432
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,120
we we see it now and it's done
cheaply, you know, and they're

1433
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:38,320
not.
They cut corners wherever

1434
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,160
possible and it doesn't look
great.

1435
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,680
And I think part of that is that
some of that stuff is non union

1436
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,920
work and that there's there's a
lot of reasons why they do CGI

1437
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:49,520
instead of practical effects.
But anytime we see it, it stands

1438
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,240
out.
Part of partly because it's

1439
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,560
unusual these days, but also
partly just because it does feel

1440
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,240
more tactile, it feels more
real, and it makes the film more

1441
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,200
immersive.
I'm like curious, Noah, you

1442
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,240
especially would know the answer
to this question better than

1443
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:09,640
probably Bob or I.
But like, would the late 90s,

1444
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:13,280
early 2000s be kind of the peak
of practical effects?

1445
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,920
Because we've been practicing it
since the inception of cinema

1446
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,160
and it feels like in the last 15
to 20 years we've relied so

1447
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:28,360
heavily on, on CGI.
Do you feel like the art of

1448
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:32,680
practical effects has not been
advanced in the last 20 years

1449
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,640
and therefore people are losing
it like the like the average

1450
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,720
person making a movie from the
director to you know, what

1451
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,360
whoever the lowest person on set
is, we just don't do it as much

1452
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,560
anymore.
So it's it's a muscle we haven't

1453
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,040
worked out in a while we're
we're losing it.

1454
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,840
Does that make sense?
Like, do you feel like that

1455
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,880
might be happening?
I don't know that I am really

1456
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,840
the right person to answer that,
to be honest with you, because

1457
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:00,040
I'm blockbusters, despite my my
expertise in Armageddon, are not

1458
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,880
exactly my beat these days, to
be honest with you.

1459
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,920
But you know, I think it is
notable that Godzilla -1 is

1460
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,560
like, you know, it's a Japanese
team that made that movie.

1461
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,240
It's not an American team of
visual effects people.

1462
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:15,680
So I think, I think there is
some truth to that and this era

1463
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,200
was the era when CGI was
getting.

1464
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,000
It was getting good enough to to
be able to experiment with it.

1465
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:25,760
And this film did not win Best
Visual Effects at the Oscars.

1466
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,800
What Dreams May Come won Best
Visual Effects at the Oscars.

1467
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,440
And that is a movie that was
entirely CGI.

1468
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,520
You know, I don't think there
was any room for practical

1469
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,920
effects in that movie.
So it's possible this was

1470
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,840
actually a turning point in
which, you know, sort CGI sort

1471
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,560
of, yeah.
Became the norm.

1472
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,040
Like, really somewhere around
this, this time?

1473
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,400
Well, I'm glad you say that
Noah, because Brad, we're we're

1474
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,160
kind of about to take that shift
ourselves because next week our

1475
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,400
film is episode one, The Phantom
Menace.

1476
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,800
And I am going, I'm just a
spoiler, I am going to all over

1477
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:03,080
the CG in that movie.
It is incredible costuming,

1478
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:08,000
incredible makeup in that movie
paired with very, very bad

1479
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,680
looking late 90s CGI.
And and I think that from that

1480
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,000
point on, because then we're
going to get into like, you

1481
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,520
know, fully CG animated films,
We're going to watch Shrek, you

1482
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,120
know, we're going to get into
all the Marvel stuff in the back

1483
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:23,960
half of the season.
So I think this really is our

1484
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:28,960
last time to champion things
that feel tactile because we're

1485
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,400
going, we're going deep in the
uncanny valley here soon.

1486
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,760
You know, and the Transformers
movies are to me a really good

1487
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,800
example of of how it all goes
wrong.

1488
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:39,480
Like you I I've only seen the
first one.

1489
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:42,800
I think I might have seen one of
the later ones, but that is

1490
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,560
something that should feel
tactile.

1491
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,200
Those are toys that we played
with growing up.

1492
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,960
You know, I mean, it's metal,
it's steel.

1493
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,480
I mean, this is something that
we should be able to hold in our

1494
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:55,400
hands and it just feels the
complete opposite of that.

1495
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,480
So Bey got a test with CG just
like everybody else.

1496
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:01,360
But yeah, Armageddon is that
place where he's he's still

1497
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,480
using both of them and to
fantastic effect.

1498
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,160
All right, guys.
I think it is time for us to get

1499
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,880
to our last segment of the day,
which we call, let's make it a

1500
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,640
double.
Oh, near the end of the episode.

1501
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,040
Oh, thanks listening to the film
and whiskey show.

1502
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,600
Let's pair another film with
this one, even if it's

1503
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,480
struggling.
It's a final segment of the day.

1504
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:22,360
Now let's make it a double.
Let's make it a double is the

1505
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,480
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1506
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:27,480
to make the perfect double
feature.

1507
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,840
Brad has been teasing his to
both Noah and myself since

1508
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,400
before we even started
recording.

1509
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,720
He said he really did find the
perfect double feature today.

1510
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,160
So the floor is yours, man.
Take it away.

1511
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:45,640
Bob, this is 100% based off me
seeing this film once in like

1512
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,080
maybe 2005 or 6 as a as a 15
year old.

1513
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:57,720
I'm going to pair this with the
core, our Aaron Eckert, Stanley

1514
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,880
Tucci.
I mean, like, I remember

1515
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:04,760
watching the Core and just
thinking like this movie rules

1516
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:08,960
and maybe not in a great way,
but it was just really cool as a

1517
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,000
15 year old and as another
disaster movie.

1518
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,480
I I think the whole premise was
like the the core has stopped

1519
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:19,600
spinning and they have to like
drill into the core and detonate

1520
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,920
nukes to get it spinning again.
Is that is that it?

1521
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,040
Oh yeah.
Correct.

1522
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:24,440
There's always you.
Need to go.

1523
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,120
You need to go watch the Yeah,
this is America, everybody.

1524
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,320
How do we how do we fix
something that's broken?

1525
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:36,840
Why nuke it, of course.
So I think that the Nuke of It

1526
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:42,080
all demands that you watch
Armageddon and the Core in one

1527
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,600
evening.
You know, there's there's even a

1528
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,120
third entry in this trilogy of,
like, awful.

1529
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,040
Nukes fix it all.
There was a movie that came out

1530
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,360
like a year and a half ago
called Moon Something Moonfall.

1531
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,120
I think it was called and I
think it had Halle Berry.

1532
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:57,960
I don't remember who was in it.
I didn't see this movie.

1533
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,600
I I watched the like the Honest
Trailer or something for it and

1534
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:05,640
I was like, that is immediately
in the Armageddon and the core

1535
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,320
like subgenre of just
preposterous space stuff.

1536
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,440
It was like, it looks amazing,
Brad.

1537
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,240
I think The Core is a really fun
movie.

1538
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,320
I also liked it when I first saw
it, and I think I watched it

1539
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,920
again a couple years ago
expecting it to just be total

1540
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,680
crap.
It kind of held up for the same

1541
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,600
reason that this kind of holds
up, which is that it's got good

1542
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,040
actors in it.
It's Hilary Swank and Stanley

1543
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:33,160
Tucci and Aaron Eckhart.
And The funny thing, the one

1544
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,040
thing I like about that movie
is, you know, they're not in

1545
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,000
outer space, right?
So they don't need to spend a

1546
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,880
lot of money on CGI or anything.
They're just in this ship the

1547
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,280
whole time, and you kind of
never see what's outside of it.

1548
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,880
And you can tell that was
definitely part of the appeal in

1549
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,000
getting this movie made.
Stanley Tucci's Like when I just

1550
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,560
have to sit in a chair for three
weeks.

1551
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,960
Like, yeah, I can sign me up
please.

1552
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,920
Yeah, it's like if you show the
outside of the ship, it's just

1553
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,800
dirt.
Brad, I think I'm going to cut

1554
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,000
in before I I toss it over here
to our guest because mine is

1555
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,760
kind of lame.
I'm going to take the most

1556
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:10,920
obvious choice here, which is
1998's Deep Impact, a film that

1557
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,400
I I remember seeing in the
theater.

1558
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,640
I saw a lot of disaster movies
in the theater as a kid in the

1559
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:21,200
late 90s between, you know, this
Deep Impact volcano, Dante's

1560
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:26,320
Peak, like just a truly great
time for Earth murdering people.

1561
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:32,600
And Deep Impact is, I don't
know, man, it's probably a a

1562
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:37,120
quote, UN quote better film than
this in terms of like it has

1563
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,360
more heft to it, It has more
weight to it.

1564
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,880
It is a much more forgettable
film than this though, because

1565
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,040
it doesn't take the swings that
this movie does.

1566
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:48,840
But you do actually get to see a
comet hit Earth and people have

1567
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:52,280
to figure out how to survive
like half of the world being

1568
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,920
wiped out.
It's like stuff gets real in

1569
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,600
Deep Impact.
And also Morgan Freeman is the

1570
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,120
president.
So like, if that's not enough of

1571
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,680
a recommendation, I don't know
what to tell you.

1572
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,720
I'm going with Armageddon and
Deep Impact.

1573
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:08,320
And now, Noah, now that I've
done the lame, obvious one, you

1574
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:13,200
can kind of bring us home here.
I'm going to partner Armageddon,

1575
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,480
the best movie about oil
riggers, with the second best,

1576
01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:25,160
which is There Will Be Blood.
I genuinely think I have to.

1577
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:29,360
Get turn my friend I.
Genuinely think Armageddon is a

1578
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:33,640
little bit better than There
Will Be Blood, but I just think,

1579
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,560
you know, you've got 2 movies
about about oil riggers.

1580
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:38,720
They could not be more
different.

1581
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,560
And you got one that is so 90s
blockbuster, one that is so

1582
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:47,120
2000s independent cinema.
Actors Bruce Willis and Daniel

1583
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:48,920
Day Lewis could not be more
different.

1584
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,240
I I love that these are two
movies about people doing the

1585
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:56,360
same job, and the movie around
them is just 1000% I I.

1586
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:01,000
Just really want to see the
remakes with Bruce Willis as

1587
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,120
what's his face And There Will
Be Blood and Daniel, Daniel.

1588
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,920
Plainview.
As yes, Daniel Plainview and

1589
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,920
then Daniel Day Lewis.
As whoever.

1590
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:15,560
As Harry, yeah, But has to be
doing, he has to be doing the

1591
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:20,640
Daniel Plainview voice, right?
Like he's shoving Ben Affleck

1592
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,920
back on the elevator.
I've abandoned my boy.

1593
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:29,560
I've abandoned my son.
Oh, man.

1594
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,240
What a pairing, Noah.
Thank you.

1595
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:31,920
So.
Much for that.

1596
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,280
I didn't even know.
I I didn't know I teed you up

1597
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,880
for that.
Man, that was that was

1598
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,200
incredible, my friend.
I have to say, this has been one

1599
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,840
of the most fun episodes of film
and whiskey we have ever

1600
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,320
recorded.
I I have no idea what the

1601
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,480
general public will think of
this, Brad, but we're having a

1602
01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,280
brat year.
I don't care.

1603
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,720
And we're gonna carry this
goodwill into our final scores.

1604
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:59,320
And again, I will set myself up
here to to fail so that you guys

1605
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:01,440
I I will crawl so you guys can
run.

1606
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,440
I'm gonna give this a 7 1/2
Brad.

1607
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:10,440
It is like the filmmaking craft
is like an 8 1/2 to a nine.

1608
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,440
The script, which we haven't
even talked about, has writing

1609
01:28:14,440 --> 01:28:17,600
credits for both Tony Gilroy and
JJ Abrams on.

1610
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:22,880
It is like a four in terms of
the dialogue, but like a a

1611
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:27,880
pretty good structural script.
It's just like that first hour

1612
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,000
is really holding me back.
I I had to go to bed last night,

1613
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,200
Brad.
I started watching it, watched

1614
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,680
the first hour, turned it off
and was like, dude, this movie's

1615
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,200
bad.
I haven't watched this in such a

1616
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,240
long time.
Am I going to have to come in

1617
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,440
and crap on Armageddon?
Thankfully no.

1618
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,120
But I can't go higher than a 7
1/2.

1619
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:46,440
Brad, where are you falling
here?

1620
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,280
The wild thing is that in my
research, for two facts and a

1621
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:55,240
falsehood, Bey himself has said
like, the third act of this

1622
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,640
movie is garbage.
I wish I could reshoot it.

1623
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:01,320
We were under so much pressure,
like and I like.

1624
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,920
I hate to say it, Michael Bay,
but I think you're wrong.

1625
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:06,920
Like this movie all comes
together in the third act.

1626
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,680
I'm going to give it an 8 1/2
Bob.

1627
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:15,160
I think that this, I think this
is the most fun and exhilarating

1628
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,680
8 1/2 movie you will ever watch.
Like it is not perfect.

1629
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,800
It's not quite that 9 out of 10
you're really approaching like

1630
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:28,720
peak cinema.
But man oh man, this is just

1631
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,320
such a fun movie.
I was glued to the screen

1632
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,440
through every minute of the 2
1/2 hours from the moment of

1633
01:29:36,440 --> 01:29:41,160
Bruce Willis trying to shoot Ben
Affleck to the moment where he's

1634
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,280
sending him up into his
salvation and calling him Son.

1635
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:45,640
I like.
I am bought.

1636
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,320
In.
All right, Noah.

1637
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,000
It's to you, man.
It's a nine.

1638
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:56,280
I was going to say it was an 8
1/2, but then you know the

1639
01:29:56,280 --> 01:30:01,000
observation about how this whole
ordeal turned rockhound from a

1640
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:05,360
womanizer into, you know,
probably Father of the Year,

1641
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,160
which I had, I had not.
That had not occurred to me.

1642
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,440
That's what bumped it up, the
consistency.

1643
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,280
This guy, Michael Bay, wants us
all to be.

1644
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,440
He wants us to come out of this
experience as better people.

1645
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,400
And I have to reward him for
that because I think I, the

1646
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,920
three of us, I think we all are.
Yeah, I'm a better person today

1647
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,400
than I was yesterday.
I can't speak for you guys, but

1648
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:32,840
I'm killing it so.
No, I we need you to get Michael

1649
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,400
Bay on this podcast so that we
can thank him properly.

1650
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:38,440
Like we'll send him a bottle of
whiskey.

1651
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,960
We will thank him for making us
better men.

1652
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:44,360
Michael Bay went to college, by
the way, about 30 miles from me

1653
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,200
here in Connecticut.
He went to Wesleyan, where a lot

1654
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,580
of other film makers went,
including Joss Whedon and Lin

1655
01:30:50,580 --> 01:30:52,080
Manuel Mirando went there as
well.

1656
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,320
Maybe the next alumni weekend, I
can go over there, I can snag

1657
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,080
him, drag him over to my laptop,
and we can we can all get on the

1658
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:00,000
horn.
Together, I'm ready.

1659
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:02,880
We'll watch ambulance just to be
ready for him, you know.

1660
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,640
All right, so it is a 7 1/2 for
me, it's an 8 1/2 from Brad.

1661
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,920
It is a 9 million from Noah
Guttel.

1662
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,240
Thank you again so much Noah for
joining us today.

1663
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:15,400
Once again, give us a plug for
the book.

1664
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:18,840
Where can we find it, and what's
the official St. date for the

1665
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,600
book?
It's called Baseball.

1666
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:24,800
The movie pub date is May 14th,
but it is available for

1667
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,520
pre-order now at Amazon and
Barnes and Noble and Bookshop

1668
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,880
and Target and all the places a
person could buy a book in the

1669
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,600
year 2024.
Yeah, and it guys.

1670
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,720
If you can't get enough of Noah
Guttel on our podcast, you can

1671
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,600
go back and listen to our Gran
Torino episode from a season

1672
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,560
ago, or you can wait a few
months.

1673
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,040
He's going to be back on here.
We're going to be talking more

1674
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:50,240
specifics on the book and just
how much we love baseball as a

1675
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:54,000
film subject.
So, Noah, thank you so much,

1676
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,320
man.
It it has been truly a pleasure

1677
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,560
to have you on here.
A pleasure for me as well, boys,

1678
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,880
anytime.
All right, I've already spoiled

1679
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,880
next week's movie, but we are
officially going back to Brad's

1680
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,560
favorite franchise and the bane
of my existence, the Star Wars

1681
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,560
universe, to look at Episode
one.

1682
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,840
A truly God awful film that I do
not want to talk about.

1683
01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:17,760
So join us for episode one next
week.

1684
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,400
But until then, I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad G.

1685
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,120
And we'll see you next time.