An American in Paris (1951) / Evan Williams Bottled-in-Bond Bourbon

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In 1951, director Vincent
Minnelli and star Gene Kelly

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gave the world a vibrant musical
that never stopped trying to

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prove itself.
In 2023, we try a fan favorite

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Bottled in Bond bourbon.
The film is an American in

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Paris.
The whiskey is Evan Williams

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White label.
And we'll review them both.

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This is.
The Film and Whiskey podcast.

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Welcome to the Film and Whiskey
podcast, where each week we

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review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob Book.
I'm Brad Gee.

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And this week, we are revisiting
1951's Best Picture winner, An

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American in Paris.
Brad, it's nice to revisit this

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movie.
I have many thoughts.

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I think I've changed my tune a
bit.

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But have you?
There's something about.

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Yeah.
Go ahead.

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They were super high on this
film in season 1.

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There is something about like
going back to our first 456 ish

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movies that like, even if I
don't love the movie as much as

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I used to it, I have just so
much nostalgia for the beginning

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of this podcast, you know?
Yeah, 100%.

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Man, it is super fun to go back
and think through these movies

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again.
It's it's fun to revisit them.

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We were just little baby
podcasters, man.

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We were recording this in a
basement with a conference call

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microphone because we didn't
have two mics to put together

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between the two of us.
Yep man, Fun times.

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What a what a great time, man.
All right, we'll see you next

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week.
Thanks for walking down memory

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lane with us.
And go watch an American in

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Paris.
Yeah, Brad, OK, let's just dive

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in with this.
I would like to hear general

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impressions on what did you
think of this movie The first

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time around and has your opinion
changed this time without

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tipping your hand too much?
Oh man, I I think if I remember

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correctly, I think I enjoyed it
the first time but wasn't super

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high on it.
I'm guessing I gave it like a 7

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1/2 or an 8.
And I think that this time

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around, it just struck me how
much fun this movie is.

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Like it's, it's just like, like
I chose the word vibrant very

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specifically.
Like it's just a really vibrant

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fun world that Minnelli and
Kelly have created here.

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And I, I just absolutely love
his friend Adam, I think is his

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name in the movie.
Who's the Who's the actor?

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Oscar Levant.
Yeah, yeah, Levant.

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I don't know how he says it.
He is my favorite character in

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this.
Movie.

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Oh, he's so good.
There he is just.

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Incredible.
I don't mean to derail what

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you're saying, but there was a
moment, one moment in this movie

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where I laughed out loud.
And it's when he is like, he's,

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he's in the Cafe, Adam is, and
he's calling Henri as he's

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eating dinner.
And he just keeps hinting that

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he wants to come up and eat
dinner.

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And then Henri, he's like, no,
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And he hangs up the phone and
just goes, I'm hungry.

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Hangs the phone up and the way
he says it is so like starving

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artist pouting that it was.
It was just perfect and I needed

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to say that at some point in
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Did the inner grad student in
your soul just, you know,

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empathize with him in that?
And it was also like, he was so

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unkempt and just chain smoking
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I was like, I get it dude.
I get where you're coming from

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man.
I have.

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I have been there.
All right, so this time around

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you said it's a lot more fun.
I think that I'm I'm in an

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interesting place on this movie,
Brad, because if anything,

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watching another 300 or however
many movies we've watched in

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between has really solidified
for me that I love Vincent

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Minnelli as a director.
And I still don't think he gives

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enough credit.
He is a true like painterly

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artist with the camera and the
color palettes and the

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costuming.
Like it's just very much of a

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piece.
I think the thing for with this

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movie for me is like Singing in
the Rain is a movie that you

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don't really need any context
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If you have never watched a
silent movie, if you know

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nothing about that era in movie
history, if you know nothing

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about movie making, you can get
dropped into Singing in the Rain

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And it it works for everyone
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Yeah, this movie, it still
works, but I feel like listening

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to a podcast like this will
probably help appreciate it

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more.
Like there's just a layer more

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of like, oh, you.
You probably need this context

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to understand why this movie is
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It doesn't quite just work on
its face as well as a movie like

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Singing in the Rain does for me.
That's interesting.

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What, like what are some
specific things about the film

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that you're like, oh, I need to
explain this to to Brad, 'cause

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he clearly doesn't know what's
going on here?

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Well, I think one of the big
things is you got to kind of

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situate it like historically,
especially in Gene Kelly's

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career.
So Kelly, you know, comes off

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Broadway in the early 40s.
He becomes a really big star in

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MGM musicals by the late 1940s.
He's really surpassed even Fred

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Astaire.
Cause Astaire is starting to get

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started, to get a bit older.
And Kelly has been pushing and

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pushing for more kind of
directorial control and he wants

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to do something big and bold and
kind of operatic and and

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balletic with his movies.
And so even though Vincent

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Minnelli is the credited
director on this movie, and I

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think he did obviously direct
the movie, it was really Kelly

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who was spearheading the whole
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And he had basically been
begging MGM to let him do a

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movie like this.
So in 194849, they made the

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movie on the Town, which is a
really fun movie.

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And that was a Co Stanley Donnon
movie that Gene Kelly kind of

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helped Co direct as well.
And you get to American in

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Paris.
And he had been like begging

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Louis B Mayer at MGM for the
money to make this ballet

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sequence.
And you got to let me do it my

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way.
Mayer is on his way out the door

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and new guys coming in.
And I think in that interim kind

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of change up, Kelly gets the
permissions that he needs to

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just kind of make his movie his
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They give him a bunch of money
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And this is the result.
And it's it's really one of the

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first MGM musicals that
emphasizes like the artistic

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side of things.
Like Brad, this movie closes

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with an 18 minute ballet.
You know what I mean?

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Like they just weren't doing
stuff like this then.

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And do I think it?
Works.

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Can I say something?
Yeah, please.

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I don't like the 18 minute
ballot.

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That's what I'm saying.
Do I think it works perfectly?

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No.
But I think that that's the kind

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of layer I'm talking about where
it's like, OK, like if you want

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to appreciate this movie, it
might not work perfectly just at

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face value.
But if nothing else, I

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appreciate this movie probably
more than I like it at this

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point.
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Well, I mean, a few seasons back
we did a bunch of, you know,

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director series and and if
anybody remembers, we we would

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rate the directors right.
And we would use this scale.

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I think that this movie would
fall so low on the cohesion

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scale that we used because we
use it to talk about like within

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the world of the movie, how much
of the things that happened

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makes sense.
It does it feel like a cohesive,

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unified world, the the direction
of the script, things like that.

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And I'm like, this movie does
not make a lot of sense.

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And, and, and it's hard to say
that because obviously musicals

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in general don't make sense.
Like something that my wife

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always says about musicals,
she's like, this doesn't make

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sense.
People don't just break out and

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song and dance in normal
everyday life.

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And I'm like, yes, that is very
true.

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But that's part of the charm of
musicals, right?

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It's it's an exaggerated way of
looking at emotions and feelings

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in daily life.
Some people love that, some

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people don't.
That's fine.

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But even within the world of a
musical, where people just

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randomly break out into song and
dance, it felt like they were

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reaching for for a few of the
things.

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Yeah, I like, you know, I
wouldn't say that singing in the

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rain has a ton of plot, but
there's a lot of complications

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in singing in the rain.
Like this person gets fired and

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this person is angry and you
have to navigate all these

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relationships in this movie.
It really felt like a film in

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search of a plot.
Like they're they're a few

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people who are in a love
triangle and then there are a

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couple periphery characters and
every character gets a big

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either ballet number or dream
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that are almost always unrelated
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And Brad, even when you look up
this movie on Wikipedia, like

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the first thing it says is that
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And what they're basically
saying is like, it's, it sounds

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like an admission that this
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And they're just saying like,
you need to just go on vibes.

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Like this movie is all about
vibes and I I.

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Like like a licorice pizza.
Yeah, it's like the Terrence

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Malick of musicals and like, I
kind of agree with that.

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Especially like the 1st 15 ish
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you're just meeting the
characters and hanging out in

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the neighborhood, but then they
start introducing these other

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characters like Gene Kelly's
benefactor.

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And I just don't know like which
plot is supposed to be the A

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plot and which is the B like a
subplot And and like

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everything's kind of given equal
weight and then we go off and do

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a dream sequence and like it.
It just really feels messy from

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a script standpoint.
Yeah, it it really does.

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And I don't think it necessarily
like it doesn't ruin the movie.

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I think there's still a lot of
fun sequences here.

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They build a really beautiful
vision of, you know, what it

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looks like to kind of struggle
in Paris.

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And overall, all of those things
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I, I think the, the hard part
for me kind of revolves around

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the fact that I just, I did not
enjoy Leslie Quran this time

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through.
She she wasn't my favorite.

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I I don't think that her
character is given enough to be

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a draw for Gene Kelly and for,
I'm going to try to say his name

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Bob George Gwettari.
Is that is that good?

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Yeah, I think is it, is it
Gatari?

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I don't know.
We'll, we'll.

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Gatari.
George, we're going to call him.

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George, we'll call.
Yeah, we'll call him George the

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the gentleman who plays Henri.
Henri, I don't.

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Totally understand the obsession
with the with Leslie Koran.

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Well, I don't, I don't get.
It if I can briefly press pause

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on this thread because I think
this is an important thread.

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I've mentioned 100 characters in
this movie.

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You've mentioned the stars of
the movie.

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We haven't actually explained
this movie yet.

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And so I think it might be time
for us to throw over to our

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first segment of the day, which
we call, Brad explains.

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Brad's going to give us the
movie plots with only 60 seconds

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taken on the clock, so let's go
ahead and do your take with this

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little segment that we call,
Brad explains.

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Brad Explains is the part of the
podcast where Brad breaks down

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the plot of the movie that he
has just seen.

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We're going to say for the
second time this year, Brad,

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have you watched this at all in
the interim?

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No, I have not.
That was a very confident no.

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Like, come on, no.
There's there's certain movies

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that I've come back to.
There's other movies that I've

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like, man, I need to get back
and watch, you know, XY or Z.

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Then there's other movies that I
haven't thought about since we

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recorded the episode.
I'm not going to say which

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category.
This one.

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Went to I mean, you already did.
So Brad, you have 60 seconds on

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the clock to break down the plot
of this movie.

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Tell us all about the weird plot
mechanics if you can spoil the

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heck out of it.
So if you haven't seen an

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American in Paris, listen,
folks, I would still say that

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it's worth the watch.
It is a beautiful movie to look

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at, and you've got Gene Kelly
smiling and dancing like there's

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not.
Yes, the life doesn't get much

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better than that.
He has one of the best smiles.

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Just a beautiful man.
Yeah, all right, dude, it's

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incredible.
One minute on the clock and go.

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And American in Paris is a film
about a struggling painter, a

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struggling pianist and a super
successful singer who are all

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friends with one another.
Two of the three fall in love

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with the same woman but do not
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We follow mostly the painter
played by Gene Kelly, as he is

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courted by this extraordinarily
wealthy woman, even though he is

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in love with this beautiful
young dancer.

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That is that it?
Oh, OK.

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Is that the?
Whole I was just here waiting

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like and and then.
Well, I, I literally, I was like

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thinking, I was like, what else
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And I realized.
That's about it.

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Did you mention the love
triangle?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the the singer
and the painter are both in love

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with the same girl.
Got it.

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OK.
And and the painter has a

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wealthy benefactor who's I
wouldn't even say she's in love

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with him.
She's she's in love with the

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idea of flings.
Yes, it seems to be.

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Yes, OK.
Do you want to go back to Leslie

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Quran or do you want to cause
'cause the the benefactor Gene

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Kelly relationship is kind of
like the thing I'm most excited

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to talk to you about so.
We can hit on.

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Let's talk about that, OK?
I actually really like the

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character of Milo this time
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I do too.
And we actually, we spent a good

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deal of time talking about that
in our original episode on this.

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And I was very proud of us that
we were like, I'm kind of on her

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side.
Like I don't understand why Gene

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Kelly is such a Dick to her all
the time.

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Yeah, yeah.
I I like her character a lot.

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I think that Nina Fock does an
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portraying this woman who's
searching for meanings,

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searching for a relationship
that will help her cope with the

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daily, you know, struggles of
being wealthy there.

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There's a certain charm about
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know if I can fully describe,
you know, where it comes from.

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But the way the Gene Kelly acts
towards her is so rude.

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Like truly.
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Like, she's very clear and
upfront about what she wants

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from the start.
She's like, hey, I I think

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you're attractive.
I like your painting.

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And I'm curious about supporting
you and kind of, you know,

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having you as a date to these
balls and, and things like that.

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And he's just like, no, I'm, I'm
interested in this other woman,

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but also you can, you can kind
of help me out and I'm going to

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use you.
Let's go a little bit deeper on

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the the actual like plot
mechanics here.

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So Gene Kelly is set up on a
street corner, not prostituting

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but selling his paintings.
And she rolls by in her Rolls

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Royce or whatever and finds him
and says, I'll come back to my

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place.
I want to buy your paintings.

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And it's very clear what she's
doing.

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But, you know, he hangs up his
paintings.

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And she says, I'm throwing a
party later, come by.

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And he comes back dressed all to
the nines.

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And it's just the two of them.
And he's like, hey, lady, I'm

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not a gigolo.
And she's like, I don't want you

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for a gigolo.
I just wanted to get to know you

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better.
And you would have told me no if

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I'd been upfront.
OK, fine.

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Well, then she starts
bankrolling him and she's like,

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I'm going to set you up in a
studio.

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I'm going to get you a showing
in three months.

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And you can pay me back for
'cause you know, Gene Kelly's

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very proud about his money.
You can pay me back from the

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sales of your paintings.
And I think, Brad, that this is

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where the script really fails.
Because watching at this time, I

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think the script really wants us
to think that she is the the

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quote UN quote villain of the
movie.

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And it just doesn't work.
Like even at the end of the

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movie, they're at this big like
artist's ball and he goes with

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Milo, this woman, and they run
into Adam, Gene Kelly's best

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friend.
And Adam knows exactly who she

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is and kind of gives her a, you
know, a lashing of sorts and

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says, like, let's toast to my
friend Gene Kelly because he's

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got a big showing in a couple
months and he's going to take it

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in the neck or whatever.
Like he's going to get

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criticized because he sucks at
painting, basically.

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And she's like, oh, why do you
say that?

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And he says, well, he has a
benefactor that has more nerve

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than she does cash.
And what he's saying is like,

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she's forcing him into this
because she wants him so badly

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and this is her way of doing it.
But like, I just don't kind.

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Of like a it's kind of like a
Citizen Kane, you know, his

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second marriage.
Yes.

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Trying to force her to be an
opera.

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Singer and I just don't buy it.
Like that's how artists make

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money.
Like you get a benefactor and

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she's doing, you know, whether
or not she is wanting, you know,

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to to jump on the Gene Kelly
train is a completely different

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point.
Like I don't see anything

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unethical in what she's doing
and she's pretty upfront about

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it.
Is train a euphemism?

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It sure is.
Man the the Gene Kelly disco

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stick.
The the Gene Kelly Alfred

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Hitchcock train going into a
tunnel type of deal.

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Yeah, that, that was the thing
that constantly confused me was

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like, I feel like that, like you
said, that's the whole shtick of

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being an artist is like, I'm
going to make enough art until

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somebody with money notices me
and pays me for what I do.

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And if they don't, I will die
penniless and I'll cut my own

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ear off and life's going to be
miserable.

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Right?
Like I, I don't, I don't

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understand what the supposed
moral issue is that that Minelli

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and Kelly are trying to to
portray here with.

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Script.
Yeah.

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Once again, I feel like they
they just got the barest

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semblance of a plot that they
could try to link together all

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these really good musical
numbers.

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Like you can tell in their
planning process, whoever wrote

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the movie, they were like, Gene
Kelly, what kind of dances do

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you want to do?
We got all these.

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We got the rights to all these
old Gershwin songs, which, first

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of all, I am such a sucker for
George Gershwin.

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Like, I like.
Oh my gosh.

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But Kelly's like, all right, I
want to do this ballet.

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I want to do, I got rhythm.
We could should probably throw

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in.
It's wonderful at some point.

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And they're like, great, we'll
write a story around that.

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And you can tell that they tried
and it makes absolutely no

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sense.
Well, here's the other part of

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it.
When we're looking at

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performances, I think Milo, you
know, just is so charming and so

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kind and, and like, she feels
like the most real human of all

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the characters in this movie.
Like the scene where she gets

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upset in the car about, you
know, Gene Kelly going out with

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her and then completely, like,
mooning over this other girl the

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whole time was so relatable.
I'm like, yeah, I would be

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upset, too if I, like, took a
girl out.

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And the entire time we were out
together, she was like checking

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out some other guy.
Well, and even in that scene,

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the throw a fit, they're, you
know, all the companions are

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like, now, Milo, you've done
this before.

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You only ever want a fling.
And it's like, OK, first of all,

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there's nothing wrong with that.
If that's how she wants to

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approach relationships and she's
upfront and honest with people

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about it, then like you live
your life, Milo.

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But but it's like they keep
trying to make her seem

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villainous.
And it's, I don't know if it's

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just that she is such a good
actress, like she does such a

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good job in this movie that it
undermines that because like,

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maybe you needed a singing in
the rain type of, you know, Jean

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Higgins performance in that one
where she's just like an over

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the top villain on purpose.
Maybe that's what it needed.

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But I I like what we got,
honestly.

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Well, I don't know if I'm, I'm
like going way too deep than a

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1950s musical is asking for, but
it seems like, you know, the,

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the message they are trying to
to say is good, is like Nina is

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getting in the way of true love.
And true love can be established

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in a moment like, you know, love
at first sight.

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And how dare she get in the way
of that and her version of love

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of like, hey, let's, let's try
to be open and honest.

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And I'm going to clearly.
That's not love at all.

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My desires for this
relationship, that's not love,

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that's evil and bad.
And I'm like, I, you know, I'm

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sure that they didn't think
about that too deeply when they

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were making, but that's kind of
the message that I got as I was

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watching the film.
And I don't know, I I think that

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true love is something of a
mixture of the two.

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Well, and.
Like, you know.

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Even if you grant them that, her
courting of him is somewhat

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coercive.
Like, Gene Kelly does the exact

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same thing to Leslie Caran's
character.

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He runs into her and she's like,
please leave me alone.

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You just took me out of the
dance floor.

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I feel unsafe and uncomfortable.
And he's like, ah, come on,

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baby.
I'm Gene Kelly.

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And she's like, please, no.
Then he, like, finds out where

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she works.
He tracks her down.

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He's, like, essentially stalking
her.

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And she's like, I would really
prefer if you leave me alone

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forever.
And then he just, you know, hams

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it up enough that she's like,
ah, OK, I'll go out with you.

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But you know I I know that.
It's supposed to be when when

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Milo does that, it's not OK.
Right.

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And I know that it's supposed to
come across as charming.

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And because it's Gene Kelly,
like the audience is charming.

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Well, the audience inherently
trusts that he's not a creep.

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But then you watch it through
2023 glasses and you're like,

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oh, like she's she's very
clearly asking him to leave her

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alone and he's just not doing
that.

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I was going to say, I always
remember a bit of film analysis

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that has always stuck out to me
is Patrick Williams and another

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YouTube talked about the movie
Passengers with Jennifer

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Lawrence and Chris Pratt.
And, and they talked about how

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if you filmed that movie solely
from Jennifer Lawrence's

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perspective, then it becomes a
true suspense horror film.

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Like is Chris Pratt evil?
Is he like, you know, is he

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good?
Is he bad?

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What's his motives here?
We don't know what's going on

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and why he woke her up.
I think that if you filmed this

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movie solely from Leslie
Carran's perspective, I, I think

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that it turns into like, you
could turn it into a

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psychological creeper drama
where Gene Kelly is this

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terrifying figure that won't
leave her alone and he keeps

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popping up at inopportune times.
And she's trying to, you know,

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be faithful in this relationship
to Henri.

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And and like, it could be a
completely different movie if

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you just filmed it from a
different perspective.

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Let's finish out talking about
these performances.

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So we've got, you know, at least
four more people to talk about.

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And we had touched on Leslie
Quran earlier in the episodes

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and let's go back to her.
I don't remember, Brad, if this

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is her actual debut movie, but
she was 19 years old when Gene

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Kelly discovers, quote UN quote,
discovers her, wants to cast her

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in this movie.
Gene Kelly very famously, as he

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00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,400
gets older, wants to have 19
year old Co stars because it's

447
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,440
the same thing that happened in
singing in the rain the

448
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,000
following year.
It's an interesting thing, Brad,

449
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,440
because I don't think that she's
a very good actress, at least at

450
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,360
this point.
You like really wouldn't acting

451
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,280
It works like her.
Her ability to dance works

452
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,800
really well for what Kelly wants
to do with the sort of like

453
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,320
dialectic thing here.
You know, like we we talked in

454
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,240
Singing in the Rain about how
Debbie Reynolds was not a dancer

455
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,960
at all and Gene Kelly kind of
forced her into dancing and and

456
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,120
it's good.
Like her dancing is very good,

457
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:03,360
but it's really tap heavy and
you know, American jazz

458
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,880
inflected when you're first
introduced to Leslie Quran in

459
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,280
that sort of embraceable you
dream sequence when when Aubrey

460
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,960
is describing her and she does
like 8 different dances to try

461
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,720
to piece together what kind of
girl she is.

462
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,760
I was immediately like, oh, OK,
like this is this is what they

463
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,720
used to do in movies.
Do you see like the level of

464
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,000
control and dancings that she's
capable of?

465
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,360
Like it's physically an
incredible performance.

466
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,680
Yeah.
Oh, it's absolutely beautiful.

467
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:38,280
The that see that sequence might
be my favorite like scene, you

468
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,240
know, or sequence of scenes in
the movie because it feels like

469
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,280
the plot and the vibe of the
movie.

470
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,000
That's like the one time in the
film that they are in perfect

471
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,160
alignment.
Like the vibe of like, let's

472
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,920
let's think about this world
impressionistically and, and,

473
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,680
and, and the nuances of
character and what we bring to

474
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,120
the table.
Like they illustrate that so

475
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:08,200
well and so clearly.
And they they make it clear why

476
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,120
Henri has fallen in love with
this woman.

477
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,680
And I'm like, OK, I'm in that.
That I can do.

478
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,360
But you're right in saying that
Leslie Caran just isn't a great

479
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:22,360
actress.
And also the script doesn't do

480
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,680
her any favors.
You know, to go to go back to

481
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:32,040
the the perfume selling scene,
Gene Kelly is just being AD and

482
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,600
she out of nowhere goes from get
away from me, I don't like you

483
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:42,600
to OK, let's go on a date.
And I'm like, wait, what?

484
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760
What just happened?
This does not this does not flow

485
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,520
well.
There's, there's no continuity

486
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,360
here.
And it just, I don't know, it's

487
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,480
not the worst thing in the
world.

488
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,200
It's, it's just, you know, some
of my, my nitpicks.

489
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,400
Let's talk about our Boy George
as Henri Burrell.

490
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,960
He's really good in the movie.
He's a very charming like it it.

491
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,240
You look at the guy and you're
like, I understand why you would

492
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,640
be a famous French singer.
Like you're very French, but

493
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,320
you're really good looking and
super dapper and like, that's

494
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,640
kind of all he's there to do.
Like he again, not a great

495
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,040
actor, you know?
And and they did this thing a

496
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720
lot in Hollywood musicals where
they would try to introduce like

497
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,280
a famous opera singer is now
going to be a movie star.

498
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,560
And they try that for two
movies.

499
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,480
Then it didn't work.
So they'd go back to the drawing

500
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,200
board.
Like it's really clear that

501
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,000
they're trying to introduce this
guy to American audiences and it

502
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,400
works for what this movie is
supposed to work for.

503
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,680
And I have really have not much
else to say about him.

504
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,400
Yeah, he's super charming.
I think he's pretty funny.

505
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,880
The the inner.
It's the innocence in him that's

506
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,360
funny as a character that, you
know, especially because he kind

507
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:49,880
of gets put opposite of Oscar
Levant a lot of the movie.

508
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,680
He has that world weariness.
You know, Henri has this, like,

509
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,720
world innocence, and he's just
taking things as they come.

510
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,520
And I'm going to go to America
and go on tour and get married.

511
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,800
And even at the end of the film,
it's implied that, you know,

512
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,400
Leslie Quran tells him that
she's actually in love with Gene

513
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,080
Kelly.
And so he just naively is like,

514
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,000
well, all right, then that makes
sense.

515
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,520
You're in love.
Go for it.

516
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,200
And just releases her.
Yeah.

517
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,720
And I'm like, that's, that's
charming.

518
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,440
It's fine.
Yeah, I do love that.

519
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,720
Like, the the French stereotype
of how they think about love is

520
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,480
embodied in this guy.
Like, you imagine what that

521
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,480
conversation is like in the car.
And, you know, to a Frenchman in

522
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,000
the world of this movie, it's
like, well, love, love conquers

523
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,520
all.
Love is the supreme thing that

524
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,800
we worship.
So like, I can't get in the way

525
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:40,920
of that.
Of course, I had to take you

526
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,640
back to Gene Kelly instead of
being like, yes, you've been

527
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,080
doing what, behind my back.
You know what I mean?

528
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,200
Yeah.
And it's not like, you know,

529
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,680
there's there's a world where
back in the day, people would

530
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,440
just go on dates with each other
and they they didn't mean as

531
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,240
much as they do nowadays.
And so this wasn't that.

532
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,360
This was like a man who was
desperately in love with her and

533
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:06,480
ready to marry her.
And she's, you know, leaving or

534
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,720
she's not going to his
performances because she's

535
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,840
hanging out with Gene Kelly.
She's, you know, leaving dates

536
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,240
with him early so that she can
be with Gene Kelly like she is.

537
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,480
She is being a slimeball here,
to be clear.

538
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,960
I do love the, I don't know what
it is about the French.

539
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,320
Even in old Hollywood movies,
they're always, they're always

540
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,200
chasing after the barely legal
girls, You know, like, the back

541
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,880
story here is like, she came to
my family during the war and she

542
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,120
was just a little girl.
And we didn't fall in love until

543
00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:36,320
she wasn't a little girl.
And I'm like, OK.

544
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,120
Until she was.
Yeah. 18 years old and one day

545
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,280
I.
Was like, OK, bud?

546
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Yeah, yeah.
You've had no feelings for her

547
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,040
until then, you freaking
groomer.

548
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,120
Poor Leslie Quran.
Like, the two options in the

549
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,000
world that she has are guy who
stalks her and guy who has been

550
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,360
grooming her since childhood.
Yep.

551
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,360
Yeah.
Big, big, big red flag, man.

552
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,360
We are.
We're really off the rails

553
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,000
today.
OK, Two people left to talk

554
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,920
about Oscar Levant.
We've already touched on him a

555
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920
bit.
He is all of the Comic Relief in

556
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,680
this movie.
They try to give Gene Kelly a

557
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,480
couple funny things to do, and
they don't work.

558
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,240
And so like, when you're
watching Oscar Levant piece

559
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,760
together that Gene Kelly and
Henri are talking about the same

560
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,640
girl, and he's, like, fumbling
with his cigarette and dropping

561
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,160
it in his coffee.
And there's some really great

562
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:28,240
physical humor to go along with
the drawl, sarcastic voice.

563
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,200
I just absolutely loved every
moment he was on screen.

564
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Yeah, it feels like William
Wyler took a little bit of that

565
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,520
scene at the cafe and
implemented it in Roman Holiday

566
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,680
when, when Cary Grant is like,
you know, tripping his friend

567
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400
and spilling coffee on him.
And, and there's this like,

568
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,600
playfulness there that like
those two scenes reminded me of

569
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,760
each other.
And I yeah, you're right, man.

570
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Oscar Levant, there's something
about his character and his his

571
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,920
performance that felt the most
real out of anybody in this

572
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,880
movie.
And I and so, yeah, I'm, I'm

573
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,240
with you, man.
I love me some Oscar in this

574
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,600
film.
Right.

575
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,920
I think maybe let's let's hit
pause here.

576
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,680
We'll talk about Gene Kelly
after the break because he did

577
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,560
spearhead this whole project.
And I think that talking about

578
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,520
his performances, talking about,
you know, the musical numbers

579
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,160
themselves.
I want to talk about the

580
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,960
costumes in this movie because I
think Gene Kelly's costumes are

581
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,400
like next level stuff in this
movie.

582
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,920
And then we'll kind of finish
out talking about the fact that

583
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,440
this movie won the Oscar for
Best Picture and that was a

584
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:38,040
controversial pick even in 1952.
So let's take a break here.

585
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,920
Let's try this.
Evan Williams, what do you say?

586
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:50,120
Let's get to it.
All right, so today we are

587
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,960
checking out Evan Williams
Bottled in Bond colloquial,

588
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,320
colloquially known as
colloquially known as Evan

589
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Williams white label because the
regular Evan Williams has a an

590
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,800
all black label.
This one is the complete

591
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,760
opposite, all white with black
lettering on it.

592
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,800
It is as most bottled and Bond
whiskies are.

593
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,360
It is 100 proof.
It has a four year age statement

594
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,960
on it.
I I, I don't think it's most

595
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,800
Bob.
I I think it's all every single

596
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,160
one.
You can have like a five year

597
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,840
bottled and bond.
This one is very specifically

598
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,680
like meeting the bare minimum
required.

599
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,400
I thought you were.
I thought you were talking about

600
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,320
the proof point I.
Was like, Oh yeah.

601
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,280
It's kind of all of it's 100 or
100 proof.

602
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,920
That's a good point.
So Brad Evan Williams is,

603
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,160
according to the Heaven Hill
Distilleries website, the second

604
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,320
largest selling Kentucky
Straight bourbon whiskey in the

605
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,000
world as a brand.
So this is the 100 proof version

606
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,760
of that.
I have found out since we first

607
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,160
recorded this many, many years
ago that Heaven Hill's mash bill

608
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,440
for some of their bourbons is
identical across brands.

609
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:06,320
So the Evan Williams mash bill
is 78% corn, 10% rye, 12% malted

610
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,880
barley.
So it's a low rye mash bill.

611
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,920
It's the exact same mash bill
that they use for Elijah Craig

612
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,240
and also for some of their more
inexpensive bottle than Bonds

613
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,760
like JW Dance.
And I just happened to have a

614
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,440
bottle of Elijah Craig and a
bottle of JW Dance on my shelf.

615
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,160
And so I thought it would be
kind of fun, like to not only

616
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,840
pour the Evan Williams, but to
pour the other two and to see

617
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,680
like, is this just the same
whiskey in three bottles or

618
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,960
like, what are the differences
here?

619
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,520
I mean, is that is that cool
with you if I just kind of do

620
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,200
this project while you give
reviews of what the whiskey at

621
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,960
hand?
Bob, you live your best life.

622
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,960
I don't think you have so much
fun with this.

623
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,880
I won't stand in your way.
I'll put up no obstacles.

624
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,720
I will say that JW Dance sounds
like a cheap local hometown

625
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,000
lawyer that like you call when
you've gotten like hassled by

626
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,080
the police or something.
There's.

627
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,840
Just something about the
initials.

628
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,440
JW Yes, yeah.
Like it just seems like a like a

629
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,000
really shady lawyer.
Yeah, like the judge kind of

630
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,880
sighs heavily when he sees him
walk into the courtroom.

631
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,240
All right, man, so I'm going to
say this.

632
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,840
Part of the reason that I poured
both of these other two brands

633
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440
is I have never been a huge fan
of Evan Williams bottled and

634
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,960
Bond.
It is a beloved budget bourbon

635
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,880
among a certain sector of
people.

636
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,240
It's just never been my thing.
And so I really want to see

637
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,080
like, am I just falling victim
to the bottle?

638
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Like am I just seeing that it's
Evan Williams and telling myself

639
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,360
I don't like it?
Or is there an actual difference

640
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760
between this and Elijah Craig
and JW Dant?

641
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,800
So without further ado, let's
dive into to the Evan Williams.

642
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,000
Brad, what are you picking up on
the nose here?

643
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,720
This is a decent nose.
It's definitely a little bit

644
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,240
alcohol forward.
The the proof points are coming

645
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,720
through and and not in the most
pleasant way, but it it's got

646
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,760
some nice brown sugar.
There's some caramel vanilla, a

647
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,080
little bit of oakiness.
It's a decent nose hovering on

648
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:13,920
the edge of being like solid.
I'll give it a 6 1/2.

649
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,440
Yeah, close to A7.
All of our scores today are

650
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,560
going to be considering the fact
that this is like a $15 bottle

651
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,840
of whiskey.
So like, you know, it is what it

652
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,400
is.
I just finished nosing all three

653
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,120
of these, Brad, and my
suspicions have really been

654
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,800
confirmed here.
So Elijah Craig has this really

655
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,440
kind of fruit character to it.
Like there's a lot of red apple.

656
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,600
I got some orange.
It has a much more like, it

657
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,800
smelled more like a cocktail
than straight bourbon, and I

658
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,880
like that a lot.
But then I went to knows this JW

659
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Dance, and it was like sawdust
and manliness and like, it had

660
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,159
much kind of like darker,
mustier notes to it.

661
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,920
And I really like that as well.
JW Dan.

662
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,000
Yeah, exactly.
JW Dan is one of my favorite

663
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,960
budget pours.
The Evan Williams is like, it's

664
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,840
not even in between those two.
It's like if you just kept going

665
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,040
down the dark musty hallway into
a door you're not supposed to go

666
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,720
into.
Like it just smells a little bit

667
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,000
too oaky.
It smells a little bit like it's

668
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,240
going to be bitter.
I don't get those kind of

669
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,880
classic vanilla brown sugar
notes on this so much.

670
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,200
It just seems like a like an
excessively oaky spicy bourbon.

671
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,800
I'm going to give it a 6th and
1/2 on the nose but I have a

672
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,720
feeling I know where this is
going on the taste.

673
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Yeah, as as I got into the
palate, the the note I took was.

674
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,520
Like.
Like it's not quite orangey.

675
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,400
It's kind of like the essence of
orange, but a little bit sour,

676
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,960
and it's just kind of a hint of
orange there.

677
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,600
There's some vanilla, there's
some pepper.

678
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,440
It the the texture.
That's not even the right word.

679
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,880
There is something about it that
reminded me of Pop Rocks a

680
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,720
little bit that I don't know
what it was, the way it

681
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,480
interacted with my palate, but
it kind of reminded me of Pop

682
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,240
Rocks.
It's OK, it's not bad.

683
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120
I'll give it a 6 1/2 here.
Yeah.

684
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,120
So again, like, I just, I drank
the Elijah Craig and then I

685
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,640
drank the JW Dance, and there's
market differences there.

686
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,920
The damp, I'm going to be honest
with you, the damp tastes really

687
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,920
cheap, but it tastes cheap in a
way that's like, it appeals to

688
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,280
me who is forever a poor college
student at heart.

689
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,600
Like it has like a lot of oak.
It gets a little bit bitter.

690
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,480
There is like more rye spice to
it than I was expecting.

691
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,200
And then you get like a fake
sweetener note at the end.

692
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,280
Yeah.
The Evan Williams is all of that

693
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,080
without fake sweetener for me.
Like I just don't, I don't get

694
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,360
much on this except just like
here's a bunch of oak and here's

695
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,320
some really bitter notes.
I have a feeling that people

696
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,960
like this because it probably
mixes really well in like an old

697
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,320
fashioned or any whiskey based
drink because it's higher proof

698
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,760
and it just brings like the wood
character to it.

699
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,040
But sipping it neat.
I, I, I just don't know that I

700
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,560
love this man.
I'm going to give it a 5 1/2 on

701
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,880
flavor.
Yeah, for me, I'm actually at a

702
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,320
5 1/2 on the finish.
The the finish is just dry oaky

703
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,400
there.
There's some black pepper going

704
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:27,640
on, but it's just kind of saps
my soul a little bit.

705
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,320
And it, it's, it's fine.
It like a 5 1/2 is not a good

706
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,000
score, but it's also not a bad
score.

707
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,400
So it's it's OK.
It's nothing to write home

708
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,720
about.
I'm trying to find the right

709
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,280
word to describe this whiskey
because it's not like today I

710
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,760
had to have a cup of coffee at a
place that I don't usually get

711
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,320
it.
And you know what?

712
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,280
You're just like used to.
Drinking a not the gas, not the

713
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,920
gas station.
No, it's even worse than that.

714
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,600
You know, like sometimes when
you get like mass produced, like

715
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,640
Folgers, it just kind of tastes
like they've accidentally or

716
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,160
purposefully ground up bits of
cardboard instead of coffee.

717
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,800
Like there's a, there's like a
stale old paper flavour.

718
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,000
Yeah.
I'm trying to decide if, like,

719
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,920
this is the whiskey equivalent
of that.

720
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:17,320
I know I wouldn't call it stale,
but it definitely tastes like if

721
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,240
someone stuck this in front of
me, it would be, like, my least

722
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,640
favorite kind of bourbon.
Yeah.

723
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:28,600
Like all the notes that I I
tolerate in other bourbons, it's

724
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,360
like those are the only notes.
Here, yeah, they're prominent.

725
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,680
You know what I mean?
Yeah, no, I mean, I love the

726
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:39,760
coffee analogy because for me, I
remember growing up and thinking

727
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,800
that coffee smelled pretty good,
like when my parents made in the

728
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,760
morning.
But once I was a teenager and I

729
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,400
tried it a few times, I
literally remember I would have

730
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,600
to brush my teeth twice and then
also like chew a stick of gum to

731
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:59,120
get that bitter coffee out of my
off of my palate.

732
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,680
And it wasn't until I was in my
late 20s that I had a really

733
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,240
good cup of coffee and was like,
oh, I could like coffee.

734
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:11,520
That's not, you know, Maxwell
House like.

735
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,480
And I, I'm with you, man.
There's definitely some whiskeys

736
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,760
that fall into the Folgers
Maxwell Houses of the world.

737
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Now, again, I don't know if this
is one of them, but it has a

738
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,880
similar thing where it's like
this is a completely different

739
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,760
kind of coffee.
This is a completely different

740
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,280
kind of whiskey that I do not
prefer.

741
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,400
So I'll give it a six on finish.
I'll give it a six on balance.

742
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,640
And that is because this is
like, again, a $1520 bottle of

743
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,800
whiskey.
Brad, what is this currently

744
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,720
retailing for in the state of
Ohio?

745
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,680
Yeah, Bob, this is a $19.99
bottle of whiskey in the state

746
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,720
of Ohio.
I am seeing it online for as low

747
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:54,200
as 1099 on sale at some places
so it seems like we got to move

748
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,640
some units here.
Heaven Hill.

749
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,640
I don't think this is a great
value even at 1999.

750
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,920
I'm drinking this JW dance right
now.

751
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,720
It is.
I think 15 bucks now you can

752
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:07,520
only get it in like Kentucky.
I get that.

753
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,520
It's just significantly better
at $5 cheaper.

754
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:17,440
I'm going to give this AI don't
know, a six out of 10 on value

755
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,280
just because a $20 bottle of
whiskey is is pretty much a good

756
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,200
value no matter how bad it is.
So like I can, I can only give

757
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,400
it a low enough score to punish
it a bit, but I'm coming out to

758
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,320
a six on value.
What are you at, Brad?

759
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,520
I, I'm also at a six.
I, I, I think that this isn't a

760
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,000
terrible value.
I think it's a decent bottle of

761
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000
whiskey that you can use as a
mixer and some of your, your

762
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,520
mixed drinks.
But overall it, it just doesn't

763
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,160
have quite enough going on for
it.

764
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,520
And there are other options here
in the 20 to $25.00 range that I

765
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,080
would much more highly
recommend.

766
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,080
And, and, you know, we'll go to
the classic Rebel 100.

767
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,000
I'm coming out to a 30 out of
50.

768
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,640
Brad, where are you sitting on
this one?

769
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960
I am at a 30.5 all.
Right.

770
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:10,840
So our average is a 30.25 out of
50 or a 60.5 out of 100.

771
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,840
This is nothing to write home
about, folks.

772
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,400
And even amongst budget
bourbons, you know it.

773
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,920
It's likely that people just
have their preferred budget

774
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,720
whiskey.
I just, I struggle to understand

775
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,560
the cult that has formed around
this bottle because I just

776
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,800
don't, I don't find it to be
anything special.

777
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,000
Brad.
Yeah, I know.

778
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,120
I'm, I'm with you, man.
I, I think that this is an

779
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,160
example for me of like following
the big name brands and just

780
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,800
having a loyalty there for some
unearned reason.

781
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,600
I I don't understand it all.
Right, man.

782
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,160
Well, before we get too
philosophical on that front.

783
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,960
Was that was that harsh?
Yeah, it was a little harsh, but

784
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,200
also like we're opening a can of
worms that we do not have time

785
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,240
to dive into today.
So let's get back into talking

786
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:58,120
about an American in Paris.
What do you say?

787
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:05,880
Let's get to it, Bob.
All right everybody, That was

788
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,400
Evan Williams white label, a
whiskey that we will gladly tap

789
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:16,520
dance away from Bob.
I am super excited because we

790
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,200
are in the midst of a great
season for two facts and a

791
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,200
falsehood.
Yeah, we're only a couple

792
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,200
episodes in, man, but I am, I'm
feeling more optimistic about

793
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,400
this season just 'cause I know
the movies better, you know, I

794
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,720
can go back and listen to a full
episode's worth of context that

795
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:35,160
we've already recorded and hope
that you're not doing the same.

796
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,160
And so maybe some of the tidbits
that you've shared are going to

797
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,720
come up again.
We'll see.

798
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,480
I don't know.
I'm feeling good about myself.

799
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,040
It may just be because we're
watching a Gene Kelly movie.

800
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,200
But Brad, that means that it is
time for our next segment, which

801
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:52,080
we call 2 Facts and a Falsehood.
Brad is going to try to stump

802
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,360
you.
Ball 2 are right and what is

803
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,400
wrong?
2 facts and a falsehood. 2 Facts

804
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,080
and a Falsehood is the part of
the show where Brad presents me

805
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,280
with three items about the
making of this movie, all of

806
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,360
which are presented as fact, one
of which is a complete lie, and

807
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,400
I have to figure out which one
that is.

808
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,600
As I've said, I'm very
optimistic.

809
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,800
I don't know if I actually have
reason to be.

810
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,120
But none of this goes from here.
Hit me with your two facts and a

811
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,840
falsehood.
Fact number one In an interview

812
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,760
later in her life, Quran says
that she found the dancing

813
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,440
particularly difficult as the
studio floors were concrete and

814
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,680
not sprung as she was used to.
Also, the bright floor paints

815
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,600
made the surfaces quite
slippery.

816
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,560
Fact number 2IN spite of the
fact that the film was almost

817
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:45,200
entirely shot on MGM's Lot 44 in
Hollywood, they experienced

818
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,320
multiple rain delays due to a
historically wet summer in

819
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,520
California.
It rained so hard that they

820
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,560
couldn't work around the sound
of the downpour hitting the

821
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,720
roof.
Fact #3 Arthur Freed originally

822
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,360
just wanted to buy the rights to
George Gershwin's number

823
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,520
American in Paris, but Ira
Gershwin said that he'd only

824
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,680
sell on the condition that if a
musical were to use the song, it

825
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,560
would only use Gershwin numbers
as its other songs.

826
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,360
I like that.
I don't know if it's true or

827
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,160
not, but a bit of Hollywood
history here.

828
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,880
We haven't really talked much
about Gene Kelly in terms of his

829
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,040
place in Hollywood, but
obviously his biggest competitor

830
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,480
in the market was Fred Astaire.
And Fred Astaire very famously

831
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,680
made a movie called Swing Time
where all of the songs were

832
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,960
Gershwin songs.
Now, this is when George

833
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Gershwin was still alive, and so
Gershwin wrote every single song

834
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,560
for that movie specifically.
But it seems plausible to me

835
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,120
that any subsequent Gershwin
movie or movie using Gershwin

836
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,240
would have to use all Gershwin.
Say he could also like know

837
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:49,560
about the rivalry between the
two and be like, I got, I got

838
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,160
all these ones for here.
Here's a easy payday.

839
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,240
Yeah.
If you if you want to be like

840
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,680
your competition, you better
hire me for the whole thing. #1

841
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,520
sounds really plausible too.
You know, this was Leslie

842
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,600
Caron's first major movie in
Hollywood.

843
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,000
I can't remember if it's
actually her first Hollywood

844
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,280
film, but the idea of dancing on
concrete sounds terrible.

845
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,360
And there are many, many horror
stories from the golden age of

846
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,400
musicals about bleeding through
shoes and everything else.

847
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,440
So I'm going to say that one's
true #3 sounds pretty true, and

848
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,800
#2 sounds really innocuous.
So I'm just going to go ahead

849
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,480
and say #2 is the falsehood just
because I found it to be the

850
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:34,080
most boring fact?
Wah wah, boring Bob, you are

851
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,760
correct.
That is the Gall said.

852
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:37,640
All.
Right.

853
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,680
Congratulations, Sir.
Thank you.

854
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,120
You have.
Won nothing I've.

855
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,960
Won absolutely nothing except
the chance to lose next week and

856
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,960
balance out this win.
That's right.

857
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,920
All right, man, let's get back
into talking about the movie.

858
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,320
And when I say the movie, I mean
Gene Kelly, because we've talked

859
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,840
about everything else except for
Gene Kelly so far.

860
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,360
Brad, I I mean, it's kind of
hard to talk about Gene Kelly

861
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,280
performances in musicals because
he is one of these guys that I

862
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,200
think he's a very good actor and
he had a number of dramatic

863
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,320
roles where he wasn't singing
and dancing.

864
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,480
But when you talk about Gene
Kelly in a musical, more than a

865
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,960
character, he's just being Gene
Kelly.

866
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,400
Like the Gene Kelly persona is
inserted into different

867
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,840
situations.
And so it's kind of like, how do

868
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,680
you talk about Gene Kelly in
this movie?

869
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,560
We've already talked about him
and singing in the rain.

870
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,760
Just go listen to that.
And so I think maybe part of

871
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,720
part of the conversation needs
to be like, what didn't work

872
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:37,600
about Gene Kelly in this movie
for you?

873
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,240
And or we've both already
established we like singing in

874
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,880
the rain better.
What's different about Gene

875
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,000
Kelly there than here?
And and why does it make such a

876
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,960
difference?
Man, I think that An American in

877
00:46:53,960 --> 00:47:04,000
Paris feels more just a little
slipshod, a little more rough

878
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,760
around the edges than Singing in
the Rain does.

879
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,240
Singing in the Rain just feels
like it has this, this airtight

880
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,680
command and vision behind the
film that just drives it

881
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,480
forward.
Whereas this one just feels kind

882
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,800
of fluffier around the edges.
It doesn't quite have the clean

883
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,080
ascetic that you have in Singing
in the Rain and I I think that

884
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,800
affects my view of Kelly in this
movie versus singing.

885
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,120
Yeah, it's it's weird because I
completely agree with what

886
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,840
you're saying.
It is rough around the edges in

887
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,200
that it feels more unfocused,
but it doesn't feel like a more

888
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,960
rough and tumble movie.
Like if anything, it feels much

889
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,800
more stately and kind of not not
stoic, but stayed, you know,

890
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,400
like it's just it's it's very
inert as a movie, even though

891
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,800
there's a lot of movement that
was just great ballet sequence

892
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,280
at the end.
Like Vincent Minnelli was such a

893
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,840
good composer of shots.
And so in a lot of these musical

894
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:07,720
numbers, like there's a number
where Henri and Gene Kelly are

895
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:10,080
singing the songs wonderful.
And they're just walking down

896
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,640
the street and all the camera
does is just kind of track

897
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,400
alongside them.
And then at the very end, it

898
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,320
cranes up because they're going
in opposite directions on the

899
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,000
street.
And so in the top right corner

900
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,280
of the screen is Gene Kelly, and
in the bottom left is his friend

901
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,960
Henri.
And that's literally the extent

902
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,680
of the camera work in those
sequences.

903
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,000
It's very much like Minnelli's,
like, here's the shot, move

904
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,920
around within it, and that's
what you get.

905
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Whereas, you know, Brad, I was
listening back to the Season 1

906
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:41,600
version of this episode and was
reminded, and I totally forgot

907
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,360
about this.
Minnelli actually had to move on

908
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,880
to making a different movie and
just basically turned over the

909
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,760
movie to Gene Kelly.
And so Gene Kelly directed most

910
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,800
of the ballet sequence.
And if you watch that ballet

911
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,600
sequence, like the camera is
weaving in and out of people.

912
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,720
It's kind of like chasing Gene
Kelly through situations.

913
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:01,800
There's a ton of really weird
looking close-ups.

914
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:06,320
And it's clear that Gene Kelly
wants the camera to be a

915
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,680
character in these dance
sequences instead of just like

916
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,600
Minelli, which is you are
watching my painting.

917
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,080
You know what I mean?
Like the camera is not there.

918
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,880
You're just looking through this
porthole that I've established.

919
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,040
And I think I say all that to
say, like Singing in the rain

920
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:29,280
works so much better because
Kelly is able to do this huge

921
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,600
like vaudevillian energy through
that whole movie.

922
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,720
Like it's just you could you
could put that movie poster up

923
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,760
and just hum.
And it's like, that's the energy

924
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,440
of that movie.
It is like a breakneck pace.

925
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,160
It's goofy, it's silly.
He totally buys into the

926
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,280
slapstick of it.
Whereas this movie, he's like, I

927
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,600
want to make it feel like I'm a
man of the people, but I'm in

928
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,280
Paris and everything is so
painterly and like, it's just,

929
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,840
it's almost like they're at
odds, Minelli and and Kelly.

930
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,080
And so I feel like Kelly's
performance suffers as a result

931
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,560
of that.
Yeah, I mean, you have him

932
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,920
narrating the opening about, ah,
so beautiful to live in Paris.

933
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,920
And my friends, I have so many
friends.

934
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,680
And then like the average
American is like, yeah, no, I I

935
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680
don't know anything about Paris.
Never been there.

936
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,000
Like I also don't have friends.
We have a pandemic of loneliness

937
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,840
here.
Move along please.

938
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,840
So it just, yeah, this film just
it suffers there.

939
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,720
There's undeniable issues with
kind of the vision of of what

940
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,040
they're trying to accomplish
here.

941
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,160
And I think you're right.
I think Kelly is trying to shoot

942
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,240
for something different than
Minelli and that like that's not

943
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,880
the end of the world, but it it
definitely leads to a few

944
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,920
drawbacks that the film has to
overcome.

945
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,560
OK, Brad, I, I mean, I really
don't have much more to say

946
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,520
about Gene Kelly.
And I, I hate to say it like

947
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,520
that, but like he's Gene Kelly,
folks like, you know, he exudes

948
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:05,080
this radiance and this joy.
Yeah, Charm, charisma, all the

949
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,720
things.
If I had to list like my all

950
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:12,040
time favorite Gene Kelly musical
numbers, like obviously the

951
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,080
Singing in the Rain number is is
#1 but right behind it, Brad is

952
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:20,680
when he sings I got rhythm
surrounded by a bunch of small

953
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,400
French children.
And it's just, Oh my gosh, dude.

954
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,320
Like, it's just how do you not
watch a sequence like that and

955
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,000
whatever's going on in your
life, just feel 10 times better

956
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,840
about like, it's his persona and
he was an exacting, not very

957
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,960
kind person to work with from
what I've heard.

958
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:44,200
But the persona that he could
put on when they called action

959
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,320
is like unparalleled in the
history of movie making.

960
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,160
Yeah, and it had to feel jarring
for, for the people working with

961
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,640
him to be like, man, what what
happened to the the guy who was

962
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,680
just yelling at me 10 seconds
before and and now he's the

963
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,920
nicest person.
Like, I don't know if you have

964
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520
this experience with your
parents, but like, I remember

965
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,000
one time my brother and I were
just being little crap heads and

966
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,960
my mom was like yelling at us.
And, and it it's like one of the

967
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,920
few times I remember her
swearing at us, she and it

968
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,720
wasn't even anything.
She was like, you guys just

969
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:20,480
don't give a damn about me.
Like, like that was it.

970
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:26,280
And then we walked in to get ice
cream and her whole, hey, how

971
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,480
are you guys?
It's great to be we'd love to

972
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,440
get some ice cream.
Like the nicest, happiest human

973
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,240
being.
And I was like, look to my

974
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:34,400
brother.
And I'm like, what just

975
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,840
happened?
Like she was just yelling at us

976
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,920
and crying like 10 seconds ago.
And I feel like that's probably

977
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,960
the experience people had to
have had with Kelly.

978
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,240
That's really funny.
OK, So I want to transition to

979
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,200
talking about the Oscars
because, you know, we've noted

980
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,520
it in the first half a little
bit.

981
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,720
This movie wins the best picture
Oscar.

982
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,640
It was a huge surprise.
Part of it is because the

983
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,920
producer of this movie, Arthur
Freed, who was the the producer

984
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,040
of all these big musicals, he
won the Irving Thalberg Memorial

985
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Award this night.
And so like he was already

986
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,040
getting, you know, fated by by
Hollywood.

987
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,680
And so in addition to that, they
come on stage, they announce

988
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,360
that this movie has won best
picture.

989
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,640
And it was a complete shock.
Nobody expected this movie to

990
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,440
win.
And I, I've been thinking about

991
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,200
it a lot, Brad, because in the,
in the current climate of the

992
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,200
Oscars, I feel like the
complaint we hear from average

993
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,320
people all the time is like, I
have never heard of these films.

994
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,800
I have never seen these films.
They only award like these

995
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,840
boring Oscar bait movies.
I wish that they would give

996
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,240
Oscars to normal movies.
And then you have an example

997
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,400
like this.
An American in Paris wins best

998
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,400
picture and it wins over some
pretty heavy hitters like A

999
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,760
Streetcar Named Desire with
Marlon Brando where Marlon

1000
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:57,040
Brando basically introduces the
world to both himself and method

1001
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,400
acting and it is like a
sensation.

1002
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,680
There's another movie that comes
out this year called Quo Vadis,

1003
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,000
which is this big epic in Roman
times, A Place in the Sun with

1004
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,000
Montgomery Clift and Elizabeth
Taylor.

1005
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:11,560
Very controversial movie, but
well liked.

1006
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,880
And I, I can't help but wonder,
Brad, if the reason this wins is

1007
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,080
because Hollywood is kind of
sitting on the edge of a bit of

1008
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,440
a revolution here in terms of
how movies get made.

1009
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,720
And they just don't.
The older members of the Academy

1010
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:29,000
especially, like, don't want to
get dragged into the 1950s.

1011
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,520
And they're like, let's give it
to what we know works and what

1012
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,200
we like and what is inoffensive
and not controversial.

1013
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,720
And that's Gene Kelly and an
American in Paris.

1014
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:45,720
But I also wonder, like, looking
back on it now, I don't know

1015
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:48,360
that anyone would even say today
that this is the best movie that

1016
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,640
got made in 1951.
So it's like, do we want normal

1017
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,440
movies to win over like stuffy
dramas or do we actually want

1018
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,040
the best movie to win?
Because this still kind of

1019
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,680
sticks out like a sore thumb.
I don't know why this movie wins

1020
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,000
best picture.
And even as a guy that likes it,

1021
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,720
I don't know that I would say
like it deserves to win best

1022
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,120
picture.
Yeah.

1023
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:13,360
And then that's the difficult
thing is how do you as a 2020,

1024
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,520
whatever person, go back and
really judge what was happening

1025
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,120
at that time?
But I think that you can say

1026
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,360
this about American in Paris.
I don't think it deserved to win

1027
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,240
in the best picture.
Just just flat out like I, I

1028
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:37,040
remember watching The Bishop's
Wife with Cary Grant and I never

1029
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,520
knew this.
It's, it's one of my favorite

1030
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,920
like Christmas movies.
And I watch it maybe not every

1031
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,440
year, but every 3rd or 4th year,
I'll put it on.

1032
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,920
And I looked it up and I
realized it was nominated for

1033
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,800
best picture in like 47 or 48
whenever it came out.

1034
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,640
And I just, I, I was watching
it, I was like, this is not a

1035
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,280
best picture nominee.
It's a, it's a great film.

1036
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,080
I have nostalgia with it.
It's not a best picture nominee.

1037
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,880
And I, I think that American in
Paris is probably worthy of a

1038
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,800
nomination, but I, I don't know
if it's a, it's a best picture

1039
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,600
winner.
And like, I don't know if this

1040
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,160
is how it happened, but it seems
like one of those things where

1041
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,360
you know you're going to give
this memorial award to the

1042
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,960
producer.
And so they're probably like,

1043
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,040
the hell, like, let's just put
American in Paris up for best

1044
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,960
picture as like just another pat
on the back, like it'll never

1045
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,080
win.
And then they start counting the

1046
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,040
votes that they're just like,
oh, crap.

1047
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,680
Oh, no, oh, no, oh, no.
Like as they get farther down

1048
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,960
the list, I think it's one of
those situations.

1049
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,000
And again, like, maybe not.
Maybe everybody really did love

1050
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,320
this movie.
But to read articles from the

1051
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,920
time, headlines from the time it
seemed like this was out of left

1052
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,520
field and did not really go over
well.

1053
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,000
But it's just, it's funny to me,
Brad, that the the debate has

1054
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,360
never stopped where it's like,
do we reward the movie that

1055
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,240
makes people feel good but is
clearly not the best?

1056
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,840
Or do we give it to movies that
everyone's going to look back on

1057
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,520
15 years from now and just say
that was boring and stuffy.

1058
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,840
So it's like we, we can't, we
can't have it either way,

1059
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,440
apparently.
Yeah.

1060
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,840
And that, and that's that's the
difficult part.

1061
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,400
Like you can be in the common
rabble as we often portray

1062
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:20,240
ourselves and and, you know,
bemoan the the Oscars and how

1063
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,960
out of touch they are.
But I also just look at it and

1064
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,840
go, hey, man, like the people
who choose these movies are not

1065
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,240
the common rabble.
Like they are the best of the

1066
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:36,200
best, the people who have been
in the industry for forever and

1067
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,840
they are looking for different
things in their movies than we

1068
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,960
are.
And, and there's times where it

1069
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,280
seems like, you know, they'll,
they'll put popular movies in

1070
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,720
there.
But I, I don't always blame them

1071
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,080
for putting in the things that
make sense for them to put in

1072
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,120
there.
I don't know.

1073
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,280
Does that make sense?
Yeah.

1074
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,480
And it's also like, it does
strike me sometimes too, that

1075
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,080
like, sometimes a populist movie
wins and everyone agrees, like,

1076
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:05,600
hey, Casablanca was actually a a
very worthy best picture winner.

1077
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,520
But then it's like this movie
wins and everyone's like, like,

1078
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,200
rumbling about it.
And it's like, OK, well, I think

1079
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,680
what you're saying is I just
don't like this movie as much as

1080
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Casablanca.
So I'm going to concoct a

1081
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:21,640
scenario where this was just an
old boys club awarding one guy.

1082
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,440
And like, they're like, let's be
real here.

1083
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,680
The Oscars is just a boys club
awarding one guy every year.

1084
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,080
It's just that some year we
like, some years we like the

1085
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,160
movie better than others.
Let's just be real.

1086
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,040
Yeah, 100% and that's OK.
It's like the Brad G Awards at

1087
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,680
the end of every season, you
know you've only got to impress

1088
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,720
one person.
That's it man.

1089
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,560
If you impress me, the rest of
your life is basically set you.

1090
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,200
You can die a happy person.
That's what I've been trying to

1091
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,640
do for 10 seasons now, Brad.
Good luck man.

1092
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,560
All right, let's get into our
last segment of the day, which

1093
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,840
we call.
Let's make it a double.

1094
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,320
We're near the end of the
episodes of Things, listening to

1095
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,240
the film and Whiskey Show.
Let's have another film with

1096
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,680
this one, even if it's
struggling.

1097
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,040
It's the final.
Segment of the day.

1098
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,400
Now let's make it a double.
Let's Make It a Double is the

1099
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,680
part of the show where we pick a
movie to pair up with this one

1100
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,400
to make the perfect double
feature.

1101
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,920
I'll get mine out of the way
really quickly here, Brad.

1102
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,760
It is another Gene Kelly Vincent
Minnelli pairing.

1103
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,240
It is one of my personal
favorite musicals.

1104
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,320
It has all of the same faults as
an American in Paris.

1105
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,840
It's a little too long, a little
too static.

1106
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,920
It's it gets a little boring,
but I am like in awe of the

1107
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,440
setting and the songs.
And so I it's a 10 out of 10 in

1108
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,880
Bob Book's book.
And it is Brigadoon.

1109
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,680
Dude, you've you've brought up
Brigadoon a few times.

1110
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,600
It's going to be like a prime
candidate for if we ever do

1111
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,880
another one of those seasons
where we just pick like 15

1112
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,800
random movies that we would
never, we would never do any

1113
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,760
otherwise.
And it's very clearly like a

1114
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,760
movie that Brad will give a 7 to
and be like Bob.

1115
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,200
I don't get it.
And and I just have to shrug and

1116
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,640
be like I don't know why this
works on me, but it does.

1117
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,120
It's another School of Rock
situation.

1118
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,400
No, the School of Rock is a 10
out of 10 man.

1119
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,920
It's not Bob, Bob.
You could give that movie a nine

1120
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,120
out of 10 and I wouldn't give
you crap because sure, why not?

1121
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,400
That movie is not a 10 out of
10.

1122
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:21,960
All right, man, what's yours?
Let's make it a double.

1123
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,280
My let's make it a double.
I think I'm going to choose

1124
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,560
another musical.
We're going to stay in the vein

1125
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:32,760
of musicals that is from a
similar era and one that I have

1126
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,600
not seen in a while, but from
what I remember it, I remember

1127
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,520
it being shaggy a little too
long and and have some issues.

1128
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,000
So basically I'm doing what you
did.

1129
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,040
I'm going to choose Guys and
Dolls.

1130
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,040
Oh yeah, that's a.
Really is way too long.

1131
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:52,120
Oh it's so long, but I for some
reason, man, it is so much fun.

1132
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,360
I just remember really loving
that movie.

1133
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,560
I love it, dude.
Let's just keep talking about

1134
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,320
musicals.
That's what we really should do

1135
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,360
is a season of film and whiskey
musicals.

1136
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,040
Yeah, that's not going to
happen, Bob.

1137
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,440
I don't think I can do it.
I I love musicals, but man oh

1138
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,600
man, that would be a lot.
All right, Brad, let's give this

1139
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,920
movie some final scores and get
out of here for the day.

1140
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,920
This is a hard one because I
think this movie is pretty

1141
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,200
objectively like a 7, but it is
so artistically made that I'm

1142
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,560
like, I could, I might enjoy
this movie just as much if I

1143
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,680
just had it on mute in the
background on you know how they

1144
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,760
make those TV's now?
They call them like the frame

1145
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,080
and they, they're supposed to
look like a painting in your, in

1146
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,320
your living room.
Like you could just put this

1147
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,880
movie on the frame and people
will be like, wow, what a

1148
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,440
beautiful impressionist
painting.

1149
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,640
That sounds like the snootiest
thing I've ever.

1150
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,040
Oh, it absolutely is.
But then you could just be like,

1151
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,640
ha, ha, it's Gene Kelly.
It's not an impressionist

1152
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,520
painting.
Yeah, I'll give it a 7 1/2, but

1153
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,520
I think that's pretty much the
highest I can go on this one,

1154
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,080
Brad.
Do you think that the frame was

1155
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,200
like directly inspired by Harry
Potter?

1156
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,200
Oh 100% 'cause that just.
Sounds like a like like somebody

1157
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,480
who is obsessed with Harry
Potter.

1158
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,360
Like we need to make moving
pictures now.

1159
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,240
Also, can we talk about movies
that way?

1160
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,320
Can we just keep calling movies
moving pictures like we're in

1161
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,280
the 1920s?
Hey.

1162
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,880
Go to see the moving picture the
other day.

1163
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,360
I saw the new.
I saw the new talkie.

1164
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,760
Tom Cruise in the latest Mission
Impossible talkie was wonderful.

1165
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,200
7 out of 10 for me, Bob.
Yep, yeah, I had nothing more to

1166
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,240
say.
It was really good.

1167
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,280
I'm done.
That brings our average out to a

1168
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,320
7.25 out of 10.
But we want to know what you

1169
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,280
think.
Have you seen an American in

1170
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,720
Paris lately?
Let us know on all of our social

1171
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:44,040
media accounts, Facebook,
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1172
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,600
YouTube at Film Whiskey.
Or jump onto the Discord.

1173
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,200
We are on there every single day
talking to you guys, the fans of

1174
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,920
the Film and Whiskey podcast.
So if you'd like, you can find a

1175
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,160
link to our Discord at the end
of every single one of our show

1176
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,960
notes.
All right, next week.

1177
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,800
So join us for that one.
But until then, I'm Bob Book.

1178
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,840
I'm Brad G.
And we'll see you next time.