Alien / EH Taylor Small Batch

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Robots radio presents in 1979
director Ridley, Scott and stars

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Sigourney Weaver.
Gave the world.

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A harrowing tale of interstellar
horror that firmly cemented the

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genre in the public eye.
In 2019, Buffalo.

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Trace gives us a bourbon that
can't stay on store shelves.

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The movie is alien.
The whiskey is eh Taylor small

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batch and we'll review them
both.

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This is the film and whiskey
podcast.

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Welcome to the film and whiskey
podcast for each week.

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We review a classic movie and a
glass of whiskey.

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I'm Bob book, I'm Reggie and
this week we are looking at the

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1979 film Alien, Brad.
I know you like to give me crap

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for Anniversary editions of our
episodes but this movie is

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celebrating its 40th
anniversary.

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It is an icon of sci-fi and
horror genres.

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And you know, ethnic it sets us
up pretty nicely for Halloween.

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We are in the week of Halloween.
So we thought, why not do our

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first really true horror movie
and to help us with our first

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horror movie.
We are joined in studio today by

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our frequent collaborator and
guest host General hours.

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Jen, how you doing today?
Doing great.

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Thanks for having me on the show
again.

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Now, Jen, we're We're super
excited to have you.

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You are our first guest host of
season 2.

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How does that feel pretty?
Awesome.

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I feel like, I just won an award
as you should.

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You basically did your name
should have just gotten

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announced on The Price is Right.
So I want to say up front, you

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know, Brad you've told me on
numerous occasions that you are

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not a huge horror movie buff,
you know, you don't really care

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for horror movies.
It's not your preferred genre.

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And so we thought we should
bring Jen on because Jen is like

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The resident horror expert Among
Us.

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She loves horror films, and I
think she's really going to help

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us dissect this movie.
I think all, but one of my top,

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five of all time are horror
films.

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Probably alien included really?
Yep.

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Oh, so, we're right off the bat.
We're dealing with someone who

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has this movie, in their top
five films of all time, bread.

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That is a very fun statement.
Oh, this does not bode.

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Well, Jen, no, I'm ready to put
on my boxing gloves.

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So I can't wait.
I'm just going to sit back and

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let you two go at it.
No, I'm really excited for this.

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I was intrigued to finally sit
down and watch this movie.

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Like, like you said, Bob I'm not
a huge fan of horror.

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There's a lot of different
elements about it that I just

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don't care for, but it was, it
was interesting for me to

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finally sit down and say, you
know what, we're going to expand

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my film Horizons today and watch
the movie Alien.

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I mean it's a classic of the
horror genre anytime you hear

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about sci-fi horror, this is the
Movie people talk about.

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So I honestly was really excited
to watch this movie despite my

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misgivings about the genre.
So Brad is it fair to say then

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that you had not seen this movie
prior to this viewing?

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I had not seen this movie prior
to this viewing Bob Brad.

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You want to hear something
interesting.

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You know, I do this to you all
the time but this week's film

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and next week's film are on that
list of movies for me that I

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don't know if I've ever sat down
and watched this movie front to

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back in one sitting before, Wow,
yeah.

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So I yeah, it's kind of
refreshing, isn't it?

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Yeah, it is Bob's not quite as
cool as he thought he was.

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That's very true.
This is one of those movies that

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I feel like it was on TV.
A lot growing up, you could

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catch it on cable.
I've seen like, you know, a ton

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of the, the big key scenes of
this movie.

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And in fact, I know, I know for
a fact that I'd seen the ending

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of the movie before, but I
actually went to the movie

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theater a couple weeks ago with
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We went and saw this movie as a
fathom event because they just

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re-released it in theaters and
IMAX I have to tell you as of

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movie-going theater-going
experience, this was such a

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fantastic movie to see in the
theater.

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Yeah, I completely agree.
It was really amazing to see in

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the theater and definitely a
different experience than

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watching it at home especially
because of the darkness.

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Yeah, that's something that I
was thinking about.

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As I was watching it in my
house, there are certain movies

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that just do better on the big
screen and alien definitely

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feels like a movie that if, you
know, Fathom, ever did another

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event for it may be for its 50th
anniversary in 10 years.

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I would I definitely would think
about going back and watching

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this in theaters again just
because of how cool it would be

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to see on the big screen with
the massive speakers.

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And like you said, Jen the
darkness.

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This is a really dark film and
so it is something that you

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would want to watch in the
darkness as much as possible, so

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you can catch as much that's
going on on the screen.

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So brat, as you sat down to
watch this movie, like, what did

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you know about it?
Going into it.

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Were you familiar with the
concept of the movie Alien?

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Had you heard a lot about it
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Yeah, so I had seen the movie
Prometheus before.

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Which now having watched both
movies I think Prometheus kind

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of spoiled a lot of this movie
for me.

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Because from what I remembered
from atheists, it feels like a

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remake of the movie Alien in the
same universe Jen, you could

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probably confirm or deny that
for me, but it really felt

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similar like shot to shot and a
lot of different ways which may

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be disappointed in.
Prometheus for not like daring

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to move on from the original.
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So I did have an idea of the
alien premise, I have obviously

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heard about it in the past.
You know, I had seen the seen

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before of the alien popping out
of the chest, you know, on the

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medical bed.
So I had an awareness of, a lot

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of the basic premises of the
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Yeah.
You know, I actually, I went to

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go see Prometheus when it came
out in theaters, and I was so

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pumped to see that movie and
having now, Alien in its

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entirety in one sitting like I
just think alien is such a

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better made film, it's so much
more economical.

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It's so much more efficient and
it asks questions that don't

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need answers and I feel like
that's where the movie.

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Prometheus like, took a wrong
turn for me, is that it gave all

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the backstory to the mythology
of the alien franchise.

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When in reality what makes this
film great?

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Is it is a cat-and-mouse sort of
Chase and it's a suspenseful

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Horror ride about people getting
picked off one, by one on the

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ship.
And I think that in the year

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since the franchise of alien has
just gone off into many

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different directions and they've
kind of lost sight of what made

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the first one great Prometheus
tries to answer the questions

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that shrouded viewers and
mystery for 40 years.

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And I think that it just didn't
go there and answer those

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questions.
Jen, I totally agree with you.

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Now having seen both films,
there's certain parts of the

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mythology that is Interesting to
learn about, you know, sure,

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maybe but were those the
questions that people had been

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asking for 40 years?
You know, I kind of doubt it.

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So, Brad, maybe we should kind
of rain ourselves back in from

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talking about the extended alien
universe and let's just kind of

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focus in on this one movie.
I am so excited to hear you get

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into our favorite segments.
Brad explains.

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So, can you offer our listeners
and explanation of the film

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Alien?
So the movie Alien it takes

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place in somewhere in The
distant future, a ship named the

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Nimrod or something like that is
flying through the this silver

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Galaxy of beautiful space and
there's some sort of or holler.

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That's bringing their riches
back to Earth.

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But lo and behold, they find
this planet and they explore the

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planet.
And on that planet, they find

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bad things and that bad thing
tries to suck the face off of

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one of the members.
And instead of just letting In

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the member died, they bring him
back into the ship, and in the

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ship, the thing plants, a baby
inside of his chest and that

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baby pops out of his chest in a
bloodfest and then that baby

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gets really big really fast and
instead of taking it on together

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as a group, they decide to go
one by one into this.

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Massive freaking ship that only
seven people are running.

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And one by one, they get picked
off till we get.

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Nice old Sigourney Weaver.
Valiantly fighting for her life,

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trying to blow.
Oh, up the ship and Escape,

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which she does.
But, wait, the thing went with

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her and she is, but it's really
cold and it wants to snuggle

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with her, but she blasted off
into the cold abyss of space.

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The end.
Yeah, that was actually an

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incredibly entertaining.
Brad explains tell me that

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wasn't pretty much everything
that happened.

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I mean, it's true.
Oh, I didn't talk about the

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robot, the one dudes.
A robot who doesn't give a rip

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About the rest of the crew and
he just wants to bring the alien

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back to turn it into a weapon
for like, humans to kill each

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other.
Yeah, and Brad, I'm really glad

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that you brought that point up
because I don't know at what

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point you want to talk about
this, but I think it needs to be

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talked about because that's
probably the biggest twist in

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the whole film.
And if I'm going to nitpick,

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like, one area of the movie that
I'm not sure if it completely

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works, it's turning a character
into a robot and not that they

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turned him.
You know, he was a robot from

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the beginning but like, Like we
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he was kind of an evil human and
then he gets turned into a robot

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by the plot.
I do it kind of pulled me out of

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the suspense of the movie and
took this weird little detour

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for a while.
How did you guys feel about that

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plot Point?
That's really interesting.

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That was actually I love that
twist.

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Like when it turned out, that he
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we have imagined robots so
differently in the 40 years

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since Alien that, when they
popped his head off, I thought

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another one of the aliens had
implanted itself inside of him,

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right?
And it wasn't until that they

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said, oh, he's a robot.
I was like, oh, that's what

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robots look, like back in 1979.
But as far as a plot device, I

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actually really liked it, I
thought that it gave just enough

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back story to what's happening,
you know, on the colony that

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they're bringing the shit back
to to go oh, like, you know,

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There's larger political forces
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I loved it myself because until
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Android.
You don't expect it because his

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action seems so logical as a
science officer and that's what

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I think is.
So brilliant about it is that it

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brings into question scientists
and their views of things and

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their morals.
Yeah, I don't, I don't hate the

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Twist and it makes a lot of
sense.

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And when we get into the
analysis of the movie, I think

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it actually serves a much bigger
purpose than Even we've been

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hinting at so far.
I think the only thing for me

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that kind of took me out of the
film is up to that point there

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hadn't even been a mentioned
made that, you know, the

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corporation had started using
Androids and I understand that

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all the characters in the movie
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this.
But I think as an audience

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member, I would have at least
kind of like to have known in

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the back of my mind that
Androids were being used and

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maybe it, maybe they talked
about it and I just missed it

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but it was such an
out-of-left-field thing for me

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that Wasn't even like on my mind
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That it kind of took me a minute
to adjust to this new world of.

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Oh okay, we're using Androids
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Yeah, I will say it kind of felt
like they were trying to install

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HAL 9000 into the movie.
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But like disguise him so that
you wouldn't realize, oh,

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there's actually an evil
computer trying to ruin things.

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So they kind of like smuggled a
Sci-Fi staple into the movie,

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which I thought was interesting
and well done.

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I think it's really interesting
that you bring up HAL 9000

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because you know, Ridley Scott
has talked about the three films

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that influenced alien more than
anything else and he has always

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sided Star Wars.
A New Hope.

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He has cited 2001 A Space
Odyssey and then the third one

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was The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
for the way that they use blood

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in that film.
So Brad you're definitely on to

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something this movie owes a debt
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the 50s like Invasion of the
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another world.
But it Also owes a huge debt to

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Star Wars especially in some of
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shots are set up and also to
what Stanley Kubrick did in 2001

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this movie came out after Star
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being made just before Star Wars
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And once it was released every
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hands on any kind of sci-fi
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They thought would be successful
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And so Star Wars really helped
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Yeah, for sure.
And I think you can see a Out of

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the influence in Star Wars, even
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film, The Very opening scene,
they kind of show you the

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enormity of the Nostromo from
the outside and it really did

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remind me of that first opening
shot from Star Wars Brad that we

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talked about on that episode,
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I love the credits because when
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ship coming towards you, it
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credits and away.
But then you get on the ship and

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it's just totally different and
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Yeah, Jen.
I really love the opening scene

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because like you said, it kind
of reminds you a little bit of a

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movie like Star Wars but it's
the music that just is eerie and

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it's kind of Haunting and it's
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That just it quickly informs
your heart that it is in for a

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wild ride Brad.
You know what was so funny I'm

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in the theater and I'm watching
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credits and how slowly the title
alien kind of creeps onto the

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screen.
And I'm listening to that music

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and I'm thinking.
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Is this, this really dissonant
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What does this remind me of?
And it immediately snap me

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forward.
Three years in the future 1982,

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John Williams, opening titles to
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Remember, we talked about how
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weird Eerie spot.
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Williams might have been trying
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bait-and-switch, you know, with
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talked about how the beginning
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Horror film.
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played off of the success of
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Yeah I actually think you could
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if you just look at the titles
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words for creatures that are
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You have an alien or you can
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So like they're kind of both
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ET came out second you're right
it's almost like they were

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playing off.
Oh the fear of an alien that's

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going to snatch your body or
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so, it's actually just a nice
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Loving, eco-friendly guy that
heals your wounds and gets you

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drunk.
All right, so Brad clearly still

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hasn't recovered from ET at.
So maybe we should move on to

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talking about Ridley, Scott, the
director of this film Ridley,

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Scott has become one of the most
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directors in Hollywood.
And yet I kind of feel, like, in

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some ways Ridley, Scott has
always been like one movie away

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from being a legend, all of his
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Are really, really good, but I
think very few of his movies,

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have reached the level of
greatness of like a Spielberg,

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or a Scorsese and it's kind of
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been working as long as those
guys have, but he still somehow

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hasn't cracked like the
stratosphere.

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But when I go back and watch
this movie, I'm reminded of just

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how great of a director, he is
Brad.

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What did you think about the job
that release God did with this

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film, man?
I was amazed with Ridley, Scott

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in this movie and you are right,
his too.

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Movies really would be alien and
Gladiator.

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You know, obviously Blade Runner
was really huge as well in 82,

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but you are correct Ridley.
Scott's, one of those names

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where when you talk about great
directors, I don't know if I

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would hear the average person
ever say, oh well Ridley, Scott

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can't forget about him.
And yet, when you look at three

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of his best movies, I would say
these are three phenomenal

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movies.
So it is interesting that he

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hasn't cracked that, you know,
legendary status Brad.

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I totally agree with that
Ridley.

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Scott's One of my favorite
directors and Gladiator.

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Blade Runner and alien are
Classics undeniably.

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Yeah.
And specifically with alien, I

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think that you have Ridley Scott
where he is absolutely airtight

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and his filmmaking, he moves you
from shot to shot seamlessly.

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He doesn't give you unnecessary
information with lighting with

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sound, with the movement of the
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Every time, the camera moves,
it's for a very specific reason.

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He does it in a very specific
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And I was really impressed with
the cinematography of this

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movie.
Yeah, I was too, and the

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direction over all is well, this
was a movie that at multiple

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points I kind of stepped back
out of the viewing experience.

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And it was just kind of giddy
with the filmmaking because this

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is the work of a person who is
in total control of what he's

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doing.
He completely understands every

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shot that he wants to set up and
what blew me away about this

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movie was how Innovative it was.
What do you when you?

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Watch films from 40 years ago,
and if you want to take Star

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Wars as an example, because it
was almost a contemporary to

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this film.
The way that Ridley Scott uses

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the camera in this film is so
vastly different than what you

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got in a movie like Star Wars
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There's a lot of handheld and,
and sort of documentary feel

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going on.
But then at very key points, he

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has these long tracking shots at
other points, it's completely

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stationary.
There's this one, beautiful

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shot, I keep thinking of and
it's in the scene where Harry

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Dean Stanton goes looking for
the cat and meets his demise

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Eyes and you get a point of view
shot from him as he's walking

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into that room where all those
sort of chains or hanging and

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the camera pushes in through the
door and it is just this

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gorgeous shot.
But what blew me away from

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Ridley?
Scott?

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Was it the way he mixed
different kinds of cameras, when

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the search and rescue team goes
out to the the abandoned ship to

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see what where the distress
signal is coming from.

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He actually shows as the cameras
point of view, the sort of like

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T cam footage from inside their
space suits and I was really

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shocked by that and kind of
blown away because that was the

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kind of, you know, inventive
thinking that you weren't seeing

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on screen in 1979.
I totally agree.

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I'm thinking of a shot near the
end of the movie.

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When you know, Sigourney Weaver
is the only crew member left and

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she's kind of like stumbling
through the halls and the

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cameras moving fast.
You know it's tracking away from

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her but he does this really cool
thing where Eventually the

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camera starts slowing down.
It's still moving away from her

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but the it's zooming into her
face and you get extremely close

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with her and it gives you the
sense of motion that she's still

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moving forward, but it's slowly
captures the horror and fear on

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her face.
And so you kind of get this

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frantic motion of, you know,
you're still moving.

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But you as the audience member
are being drawn into the fear,

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that is in her eyes in the sweat
on her brow in the jerky

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movements that she looks back.
Back to see, if the aliens

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behind her, she looks back
forward to see if it's in front

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of her.
It's a really beautiful way of

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filming fear the expressions of
the actors and actresses in this

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movie really convey Their Fear.
And I also think that that kind

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of documentary style filmmaking
just wasn't done 40 years ago

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before this movie.
So maybe this is a good time to

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kind of get into talking about
Sigourney Weaver, and her

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performance in this movie and we
can touch on some of the other

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players in the film.
But this is very clearly and

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very, obviously Sigourney
Weaver's movie Brad.

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What did you think of her
performance in this film?

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I was really Blown Away.
Bob, I just could not get over

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the sincerity with, which she
played her role, you know, where

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she really cares about the other
members of the crew.

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But she also takes her job very
seriously.

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And you kind of see that dilemma
at the start, where she kind of

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comes off, you know, a little
mean when she enforces the

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protocol to quarantine them
outside of the ship.

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Ship.
Yeah.

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And she comes off and kind of a
cold way but I think what really

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Scott does well is that he
chooses to film her as she tells

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them that she will not allow
them in.

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She's not this disembodied.
Voice coming over the

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loudspeaker you're not spending
time just with the people who

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are outside the ship, you see
her as she's delivering these

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lines and I think that she gives
a depth of sincerity with her

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eyes that convinces you that she
genuinely is a good person who

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To let them in but knows, the
danger of what might happen if

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she lets them in.
So, I have to say Sigourney

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Weaver's character.
Ellen Ripley is probably my

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favorite female character of all
time and especially in a horror

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film, traditionally, especially
before 1979, when this movie

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came out, women and horror
movies are portrayed, as idiots.

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You're constantly going, no, I
wouldn't do that, who would do

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that?
But the whole time you're

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watching, Ellen Ripley in this.
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She's logical.
She's pragmatic.

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She does what anyone in the
audience would want to do in

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those situations?
It's not that she's a woman

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that's at the center of her
character.

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It's that she's a pragmatic.
Rational person who's making the

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right decision scene to scene.
So you can relate to her no

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matter what gender you are.
So Jen, let me ask you this then

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because like, you're huge horror
movie fan.

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And like one of the biggest
horror movie tropes is the idea

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of like the final You know, like
in every horror movie, the

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serial killer, the slasher kills
everybody.

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And then there's one final girl
left, and there's usually like,

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rules that go along with it.
Like, she's the virginal one, or

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something like that.
And I feel like for all of the

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advances, this movie made, you
still kind of have the final

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girl.
Do you think that this movie

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like falls into that trap?
Or is it kind of transcending

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it, or subverting it somehow?
I think it's transcending it

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because the last girl is,
Really.

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They're in a horror film by
coincidence by chance because

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they happen to get away and not
because of the logical decisions

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that they make from moment to
moment.

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Yeah.
I think the other way in, which

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she kind of transcends that is
that she isn't killed in the end

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of the movie, you know, she
fights and survives.

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And like Jen was saying, how
does she frightened survive?

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She uses her logic.
She notices how cold the alien

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is she puts herself in, you
know, to a space suit?

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That she can continue to lower
the temperature and she uses her

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intuition to say, this is
probably the alien is going to

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do.
I know how I can maneuver him so

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that I can launch him out of the
hatch and eventually blast him

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away with, you know, the
afterburners of the Space

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Shuttle, like she really kind of
kicks it into sixth gear, at the

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end of the movie when she
realizes that like she has to

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turn to Desperate Measures to
kill this alien.

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Ellen, Ripley is a problem.
Solver, she's solving a Problem

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in half of these scenes,
probably.

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And I think that's really cool
because I love that scene, where

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everyone's in the room and
they're all freaking out and

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then she goes.
Come on, let's just figure this

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out well, and I think you guys
are touching on something that's

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really important about her
character, too.

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And it's that she's the only one
that's thinking like the

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audience thinks, like,
throughout the whole movie.

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And I was kind of wondering to
get your guy's opinion on this

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to like, is it a deficiency in
the script?

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Because every character that's
not named Ellen, Ripley.

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Is kind of an idiot, like, in
the sense that they're, they

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don't seem scared enough of the
fact that this alien creature is

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just hiding out on their ship
somewhere.

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And they're like, oh, I'm kind
of uneasy about this, but maybe

447
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we should go hunting and even
after the first person gets

448
00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:19,300
killed, they're like, all right,
yeah, we should really find this

449
00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,700
thing and kill it because it's
going to murder us but they

450
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:24,500
still don't really seem
terrified enough.

451
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,200
And then you have Ripley who's
like, am I the only person here?

452
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,600
Who sees the The danger that
we're actually going up against

453
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,700
want anybody saying that's what
I'm thinking.

454
00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:44,500
Unless somebody has got a better
idea, we'll proceed with

455
00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:48,400
Dallas's plan, what?
And then, don't let the others

456
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,300
know, you're out of your mind.
You got a better idea?

457
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,100
Yes.
I say that we abandon the ship,

458
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,100
we get the shuttle and just get
the hell out of here.

459
00:24:58,100 --> 00:25:02,400
We take our chances, just hope
that somebody had a up.

460
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,600
The shuttle won't take four.
Well then why don't we draw

461
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,000
straws and straws?
Damn thing right now, okay.

462
00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:13,900
Well, let's talk about killing
it.

463
00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:17,100
I guess I'm just wondering,
like, did you guys think that

464
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:20,700
the other characters in the
movie, we're just poorly

465
00:25:20,700 --> 00:25:23,000
written, or how did you
interpret them?

466
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,400
I definitely think that she was
the only one acting in a logical

467
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,100
rational way, but to me, it
wasn't an issue because it's a

468
00:25:31,108 --> 00:25:33,800
commercial space ship.
I don't think that they're

469
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:38,000
necessarily after Geniuses.
Mmm, they were sort of just like

470
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,500
those two guys just kept talking
about all.

471
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:43,100
I think we need a raise.
Oh yeah, I was going to say kind

472
00:25:43,100 --> 00:25:45,600
of a similar thing to Jen.
I think they do a good job of

473
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,700
establishing the fact that
there's only a few people on the

474
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:53,400
ship that you know, our science
type people that are you know,

475
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,200
more logical and rational and
they really do a good job of

476
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,500
setting up from the very start
that all of the other characters

477
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,800
outside of Ash and Ripley you
are very emotional.

478
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,900
They wear their colors on their
sleeve and it doesn't mean that

479
00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:09,600
I don't like the other
characters.

480
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,100
I do think that they act.
Lee and a lot of those

481
00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:15,600
situations.
But it doesn't surprise me that

482
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,400
they act poorly but I would
agree with you.

483
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,300
Bob, I do wish that some of the
other characters were more were

484
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:23,400
more rational than they are
portrayed.

485
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:26,200
Yeah and for me it's not even so
much that like I wish they were

486
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,000
more rational as it is that the
only person that I thought was

487
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,100
reacting with actual fear was
the character of Lambert played

488
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,400
by Veronica Cartwright.
She gets very terrified very

489
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,400
quickly and I'm like yes if I
was there I would absolutely be

490
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,000
as terrified as you but I didn't
think Think that their reaction

491
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,900
to having this thing, loose on
the ship was quite how I would

492
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:50,200
react.
I actually thought that their

493
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,000
reactions evolved throughout the
film.

494
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,300
I think that they evolved with
the size of the creature as it

495
00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:00,600
evolved from one to the next.
And I think that I noticed a big

496
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,100
difference in some of the
characters fear, after the alien

497
00:27:04,100 --> 00:27:06,900
was full-grown.
It may just be that they were a

498
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:11,800
little bit too well lubricated
with the the golden nectar.

499
00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,100
Of the gods that we like to call
whiskey to fully appreciate the

500
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:20,200
problem that they were facing.
So how about we join them in

501
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,700
partaking of this beautiful
thing called whiskey.

502
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:32,400
Yeah let's get to this eh Taylor
small batch Alright, so today we

503
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,700
are drinking eh Taylor small
batch.

504
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:39,600
Now Bob, can you tell our lovely
listeners of the film in whiskey

505
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,800
Nation?
Anything about this beautiful

506
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,400
whiskey?
Yeah.

507
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,700
So, eh Taylor is a Buffalo Trace
product.

508
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,200
It's a fairly affordable bourbon
in the state of Ohio.

509
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,900
It's going to set you back $40.
The problem is that like Weller?

510
00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:57,000
And the whole Weller line, the,
eh Taylor line has a Really

511
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,400
dedicated following it,
especially blew up years and

512
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,700
years back.
There was a tornado that ripped

513
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:07,200
down, you know, one of the Rick
houses and, uh, Taylor turned

514
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,500
into a huge marketing thing
where they released a bunch of

515
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:11,500
bottles called Tornado
survivors.

516
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,400
And there was a really limited
availability for a while.

517
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,300
And so, eh Taylor blew up and
now they only really do a

518
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:22,300
release of eh Taylor at least in
Ohio around once a year and

519
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:25,700
these bottles fly off the
shelves, there are different

520
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:28,700
levels of uh They're small batch
and Single Barrel at all, that

521
00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:31,300
kind of stuff today.
We're just going with the small

522
00:28:31,300 --> 00:28:35,700
batch which is sort of their
entry-level offering, so this is

523
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:39,300
a bottled and bond bourbon so we
know it's 100 Proof Brad.

524
00:28:39,300 --> 00:28:41,300
What are you picking up on the
nose of this?

525
00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,300
Eh Taylor small batch and I
don't feel like I've been able

526
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:48,800
to say this in a while.
This is a classic bourbon this

527
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,300
so funny because the first thing
I wrote down in my notes.

528
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:54,200
Classic bourbon notes.
Yeah.

529
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,500
You're 100% right man I just
it's okay.

530
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,900
Okay, it's caramel, it's
spice's.

531
00:28:58,900 --> 00:29:02,400
I got some cinnamon some pepper
on there, it just it really

532
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,600
smells like what you would
expect a bourbon to smell like

533
00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:07,800
yeah, having done this podcast
for long enough.

534
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Now, this is what I would expect
out of a bourbon.

535
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,100
I can't imagine it smelling any
differently.

536
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:16,100
Jen, what are you picking up on
the nose?

537
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,100
I'm picking up some warmth
Apple, mmm, a little bit of

538
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:25,100
fruit, some cinnamon, some
caramel, maybe a little bit of

539
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,000
butterscotch, like Bunch of
different random stuff,

540
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,600
basically, all at once, I'm
loving it, I'm gonna go ahead

541
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,600
and give this an 8.5 on the
nose.

542
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,300
This is a very impressive
whiskey thus far.

543
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:38,600
I'm excited to get into it.
So I'm actually going to out

544
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,500
myself right now and say that I
actually sampled this also last

545
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:45,500
night before we recorded this,
and I tried it in three

546
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:48,300
different glasses for nosing,
because I can't quite pin down,

547
00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:51,000
what the best glass for nosing.
A bourbon is yet.

548
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,200
So I just took my sample a night
border into three different

549
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,400
glasses and I will say that I
started to pick up Up some more

550
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,600
like a stringent notes on it.
It smelled a little bit like

551
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,300
paint and I wasn't like crazy
about some of the notes I got in

552
00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:07,600
certain glasses.
So here are the film of whiskey

553
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,200
podcast.
We are trying this bourbon out

554
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,700
of rocks glasses.
No, Glenn.

555
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:13,900
Karen's nothing with a weird
angular.

556
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:16,300
Sort of look, we're just trying
it out of rocks, glasses.

557
00:30:16,500 --> 00:30:18,000
Brad.
I'm going to go ahead and give

558
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,500
this a seven out of ten.
You gave it an eight and a half.

559
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:22,800
Jen, what would you give it on
the nose?

560
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,600
I'd give it an eight and a half.
I really like the nose and it's

561
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,800
It's definitely complex in a
good way.

562
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,700
So I guess that means it's time
for us to take a sip Yeah.

563
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,300
Right.
Is that touches my tongue?

564
00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:41,800
You get that nice caramely
sweetness and as I kind of swish

565
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,900
it around and get it to the back
of my mouth, you get some of

566
00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:48,300
those peppery kind of cinnamon
notes that Jen was talking

567
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:50,400
about.
I am really enjoying this.

568
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,800
Yeah, I think it's funny you say
that because I had almost the

569
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,200
opposite experience in terms of
like how the flavors presented

570
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,600
themselves, I thought that it
was really spicy up front, like

571
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,400
on the front of my tongue.
It was a ton of pepper and

572
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,700
Baking spices.
And then in the middle of my

573
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:07,600
palette it was really really
sweet.

574
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,400
And then it had sort of a
classic bourbon finish to it.

575
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,000
But yeah, my experience went
almost opposite of yours but I

576
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,700
enjoy it.
Just as much as you do.

577
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,300
I love the taste.
I think that it's a bourbon that

578
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:23,100
I could, it's an easy sipper.
I would, I would sip on this for

579
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:27,400
a couple of hours and I can't
say that about all Bourbons but

580
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,700
it's complex but not too strong,
definitely something that I

581
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:34,200
would use to introduce somebody
to A bourbon.

582
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:35,900
Yeah, I think it's a good way to
put it.

583
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:38,400
So I'm going to go ahead and
give it an 8 on The Taste.

584
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and
give it an 8 as well.

585
00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:44,400
The nose definitely was like
slightly better but this taste

586
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,800
is still really, really good.
All right so what do you think

587
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,000
about the Finish then Brad?
Because I mean it goes along

588
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,300
with the taste.
Like I said, I thought that it

589
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,300
was a pretty standard bourbon
finish.

590
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,900
It was really spicy for me, but
it didn't have a lasting

591
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:01,200
bitterness to it.
I did get kind of a slightly

592
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,400
medicinal taste to it.
When I tried it out of that

593
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,100
angular glass last night.
I almost got like a bitters

594
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:09,000
flavor like an orange peel or
something.

595
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,300
But out of the rocks glass, it
really does just tastes like a

596
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:14,400
classic Bourbon and that goes
all the way through to the

597
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,300
finish.
At least for me.

598
00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:19,000
I love the finish.
I could it's something that I

599
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,700
still taste in my mouth now and
don't mind at all.

600
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:23,600
And in fact I'm really enjoying
that.

601
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:28,200
I'm still tasting it.
I will say for me the finished

602
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,900
kind of sours at the end just
the tiny bit.

603
00:32:30,900 --> 00:32:33,500
It has the good flavors on the
back end.

604
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,300
And but I am struggling a little
bit with the finish.

605
00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,800
I'm gonna give it a seven on the
Finish.

606
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:40,800
Yeah, I also gave it a 7 on the
finish.

607
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,700
I did finally pick up on some of
those fruit notes that Jen was

608
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,900
talking about and I think that's
a good thing.

609
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,700
But I did have a little bit of a
struggle with that slightly

610
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,900
medicinal taste to the finish.
So I'm going to give it a 7.

611
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,100
I didn't pick up on the
medicinal thing that you guys

612
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:59,800
are talking about, but I did
pick up on some richness like

613
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,800
sort of like a dark chocolate
kind of thing, but I also Rishi

614
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,000
added that it wasn't too Oaky or
too spicy after.

615
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,900
So I'm going to give the finish
a 7.5, all right?

616
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:12,800
And that takes us to overall
balance.

617
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Now, this is the nose taste and
finished kind of all wrapped

618
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,200
together as one thing I think.
Overall this is a really, really

619
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,100
well-balanced whiskey.
Nothing stands out in a negative

620
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:26,000
way.
But I also would say that

621
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,100
nothing really stands out in an
overly positive way.

622
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,300
It's just a really solid
bourbon.

623
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:34,900
So I think I would give it an 8.
On the balance and I'm really

624
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:36,600
curious to see what you would
say about it.

625
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Brad honestly, for all the same
reasons I'm going to give it a

626
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,200
seven and a half, I think that
the balance is good.

627
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,600
It did struggle for me as it
went on from the nose, all the

628
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,200
way to the Finish.
But overall I was very impressed

629
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,400
with this.
I'm gonna give it a seven and a

630
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,300
half.
I'm gonna give it a seven

631
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:56,700
because what I got on the nose,
wasn't what I got on the Finish

632
00:33:56,700 --> 00:33:59,500
necessarily.
Well that brings us to overall

633
00:33:59,500 --> 00:34:01,700
value.
Now, like I said, we were

634
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:04,400
rounding up here and saying this
would cost you $40 in the state

635
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,300
of Ohio, the website for the
Ohio, Liquor Agency actually has

636
00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:12,800
it listed as 3806.
However, it is really difficult

637
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,100
to find this at face value.
A lot of people are buying this

638
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,100
on the secondary Market, or
they're in a state where it's

639
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:24,100
not price controlled, so we can
only evaluate this on the price

640
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,699
that we paid for it.
And in full disclosure, we

641
00:34:26,699 --> 00:34:29,800
actually did not pay for it.
One of our fantastic listeners,

642
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,300
Jamie Miller, and he's on
Instagram at lawyer.

643
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,500
Donated the sample to us.
So I, first of all, I want to

644
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:40,000
say thank you to mr.
James meller, for this wonderful

645
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,199
sample.
What a guy.

646
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,699
What a guy we have fantastic
listeners.

647
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:46,900
Yeah, filming whiskey Nation
coming through big time but we

648
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:50,600
can only evaluate this based on
what we would be paying if we

649
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,100
were going to buy this and that
is 38 dollars and six cents.

650
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,200
So Brad.
What kind of a score would you

651
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,600
give this based on that figure?
Honestly, I'm gonna give it a

652
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,900
seven and a half on value.
This is a Really, really good

653
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:08,500
bourbon that if you ever have a
friend who's like yeah, I drink

654
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,600
a lot of scotch.
I drink a lot of Jack Daniels

655
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,900
are drink, a lot of Crown Royal
but I want to try bourbon.

656
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:18,400
What should I drink?
This is a phenomenal bourbon for

657
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,800
you to introduce your friends to
on value.

658
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,700
I would give it an 8.
I'm judging it based on what I

659
00:35:24,707 --> 00:35:28,200
go to the store and buy this
myself and I would buy it.

660
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,500
I think that's the bar that we
really try to set here.

661
00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:33,300
Is, would you buy this for
yourself at this price?

662
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,600
And I think all of us would say,
yes, I don't think this is an

663
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,900
astronomically priced bourbon.
I mean, I think it's fairly

664
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:42,200
priced if it was $50.
I think I definitely be

665
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,700
re-evaluating it a little bit,
but at $40 know, this is a

666
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:49,600
really, really good bourbon and
that brings me out to a total of

667
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,900
37 out of 50.
Brad.

668
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:53,000
What's that bringing you out,
too?

669
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,600
I'm at a 38.5 38.5 and Jen
Lauer's.

670
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:01,000
Alright, so for the total score
for me, I'm coming out to a

671
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,300
38.5.
Yes, you're right in line.

672
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,600
With Brad and we're all very
close to each other.

673
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,900
If we average out my score and
Brad score, that puts us at a

674
00:36:08,908 --> 00:36:12,900
thirty seven point seven, five
or a.

675
00:36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,700
What is that?
75 and a half 75 point five.

676
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:17,500
This is a really good bourbon,
Brad.

677
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:20,200
Would you recommend it?
Highly recommend this bourbon.

678
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:22,300
I would also highly recommend
this bourbon.

679
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:26,200
It's definitely one I would have
on hand, especially if I had

680
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,300
friends over.
Who told me they weren't

681
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:31,000
familiar with bourbon?
Yeah, I think this is a really

682
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,800
good whiskey to kind of just
cozy up on the couch and watch a

683
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,600
movie with which means it's time
for us to do the same.

684
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,300
Let's continue talking about the
1979 classic alien.

685
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,500
Alright so that was eh Taylor
small batch.

686
00:36:49,500 --> 00:36:52,200
We're going to continue talking
about the movie Alien, but

687
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,500
before we do that, it's time for
our newest and probably most

688
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:57,500
fun.
Segment, hot takes.

689
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,900
This is where we find one star
reviews of these classic movies

690
00:37:01,900 --> 00:37:04,500
that were talking about on the
podcast and we get Brad's

691
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,600
reaction to them.
And today, we actually have the

692
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,500
benefit of getting Jen's
reaction to them.

693
00:37:08,500 --> 00:37:11,500
To Bob, you need to get better
at your announcer voice.

694
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:13,200
Oh, you want me to do me to give
a good intro?

695
00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:18,000
Oh yeah, hot cakes.
Now, it's time for For hot tea.

696
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,800
Exactly.
Yes, yes.

697
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,400
There we go.
Alright, here's our first one

698
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,600
star review.
It comes from st.

699
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,200
Just on IMDb.
And the title is, what do people

700
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200
see in this film?
What do people see in this film?

701
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,900
I am not one for horror films
though.

702
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:38,400
I do like this alien stuff.
Nothing happens in the film,

703
00:37:38,500 --> 00:37:41,400
nothing we spend most of the
time, waiting and waiting for

704
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,900
something to happen.
This movie could have been cut

705
00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:48,200
to half an hour easy.
There's a saying That says fear

706
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,500
is being scared of the unknown,
something that the X-Files has

707
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:54,100
done really well.
Unfortunately, this film has

708
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,400
tried to do this too and has
gone too far rather than waiting

709
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,400
for something to happen while
the edge of our seats.

710
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,700
We wait and wait and wait and
wait, we barely get to see the

711
00:38:02,700 --> 00:38:04,500
alien in the special effects are
pretty.

712
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,900
Poor sure it was a long time
ago, so we can't expect too much

713
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,700
but look at Star Wars which came
out around the same time.

714
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:13,700
They were much better than alien
and Lucas had half the money

715
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,900
alien is simply a boring movie,
that Deserves no credit one star

716
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,700
so can I, can I awkwardly give
them credit for one of their

717
00:38:24,700 --> 00:38:27,000
takes you like Star Wars a
special effects better.

718
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,900
I think you can objectively say
that Star War's special effects

719
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:34,000
were better.
Partially.

720
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,700
The one thing, I'll specifically
say, is the explosion of the

721
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:39,800
ship.
At the end, looks like it was

722
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,900
from the 1950s.
And when you look at how well,

723
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:46,400
they do explosions in Star Wars,
that was the only point.

724
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:50,800
Of the movie where I was like,
oh, this movie's 40 years, old,

725
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,200
other than that, I thought the
special effects were pretty well

726
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,000
done.
I think, if we're looking

727
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,600
specifically at the creatures
from Star Wars, I prefer the

728
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,700
alien over all of the creatures
and Star Wars, even though

729
00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,800
that's one of my favorite films
also.

730
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:07,800
But overall, I would agree the
special effects in Star Wars, or

731
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,700
better as a whole.
Yeah, I think I'd agree with

732
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:12,100
both of you.
The explosion of the ship, at

733
00:39:12,100 --> 00:39:15,300
the end of alien really, is it,
looks terrible. 40 years later.

734
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,600
However, I Will agree with Jen
to.

735
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,300
I think the creature design is
better here and I think the fact

736
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:24,000
that really Scott knows what
he's doing with shrouding it in

737
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,100
darkness.
Kind of like what Steven

738
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:30,000
Spielberg does with the T-Rex in
Jurassic Park, it really adds to

739
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,800
the effect of that creature
design.

740
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,600
So hey, maybe that one star
review wasn't too bad.

741
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,400
After all well, it was a pretty
bad review.

742
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:41,900
All right.
And our final, our second and

743
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:46,300
final hot take for today comes
from Harry Plunkett 14.

744
00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:51,200
And the title of his review.
Twisted Scott is a lousy

745
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,700
director, a great visual artist
but not good at directing GE GE

746
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:59,300
is a degenerate who painted
monsters and hellish images all

747
00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:03,400
his life and the whole horror
genre is by and large a pit of

748
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,500
degeneracy.
This film is an effective horror

749
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:08,800
and it does impress visually in
many ways.

750
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:11,500
It also has a memorable
soundtrack, but at the end of

751
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:15,900
the day, it is just nasty.
And I am sick and tired of nasty

752
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,400
imagery.
Poisoning, my mind, shove it

753
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,900
down the toilet one?
Star you, filthy degenerates,

754
00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:27,200
get off my lawn.
I love how this guy like can't

755
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,900
actually get through a sentence
without crediting the movie for

756
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,000
being really, really well done.
But just essentially saying he

757
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,300
doesn't like it or agree with
it, but it's like every

758
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:37,600
sentence.
Hey this is a great movie.

759
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,700
Also, it's degenerate.
Yeah.

760
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:44,300
It's it's interesting to me
because you didn't necessarily

761
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:49,700
see reviews This for the Dark
Knight but it's interesting how

762
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:55,300
you get into a specific genre,
like horror and I think you get

763
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:59,500
certain people who are going to
critique this movie based on the

764
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:05,700
entire, you know, film library
of horror and not just the movie

765
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:08,200
Alien.
And I think that's really unfair

766
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,100
to do to any movie.
You know, you can't just

767
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,100
pigeonhole a movie based on the
genre, it is, you have to let

768
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:17,600
the movie stand on its own legs.
Well, this guy actually hinted

769
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,800
at something that I think we can
segue into and that is the

770
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,200
design elements of the film.
He was talking about h.r.

771
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,400
Giger who designed the alien
creature and a lot of the

772
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,300
interior of the space ship as
well.

773
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,000
And Jen actually has been, like
chomping at the bit to talk

774
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,100
about the design elements of
this movie because the imagery

775
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,100
really is Iconic.
So, Jen, take it away.

776
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:40,100
The imagery is, definitely my
favorite thing about this movie,

777
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:45,200
I could have 20 pictures right
now of just images in my mind

778
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,800
from this movie, On the walls in
my house.

779
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,400
I love the facehuggers.
I love the chest bursters, I

780
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,200
love that alien that sitting in
the chair which was somehow

781
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,700
nicknamed, the space, jockey in
the making of that movie.

782
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,100
And I just love everything about
it.

783
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:05,500
I think it's terrifying.
It's something that I've never

784
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:09,900
seen before outside of this
movie, and also Giger insisted

785
00:42:09,900 --> 00:42:13,400
that the alien have no eyes, so
that it would appear more cold

786
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,100
and emotionless, and I think
that was a really good move.

787
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,200
Yeah.
I mean this this is one of those

788
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,900
films where the alien creature
truly does look alien.

789
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:25,400
And they do a really good job of
disguising, its whole body.

790
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,800
You know, you really just get a
lot of profile shots, and a lot

791
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,000
of the shots of the head.
And so it doesn't for most of

792
00:42:31,008 --> 00:42:33,700
the time.
It doesn't look like a person in

793
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:36,800
an alien costume.
And what I really love is the

794
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,600
sort of even more gross aspects
they add to it, like the fact

795
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:46,300
that it bleeds acid or the crazy
amounts of like goop and saliva,

796
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:48,100
Are coming off of it at all
times.

797
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,400
It's a really fascinating
creature design.

798
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:54,400
And I think you could really go
in on like psychoanalyzing,

799
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,700
what's going on because of the
way that it has that thing that

800
00:42:56,700 --> 00:42:58,700
shoots out of its mouth.
It's this.

801
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:02,400
Weirdly like sexual thing,
there's a lot of employing

802
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,500
people getting impregnated with
the Facehugger and I think GE GE

803
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:10,100
was going for that on purpose,
but it's super unsettling and I

804
00:43:10,100 --> 00:43:13,400
think really effective.
So the guy who wrote the script

805
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,600
Dan O'Bannon, he actually said
that his His goal was to make

806
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,700
the men in the audience, feel as
uncomfortable as possible

807
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:26,200
because prior to 1979 there were
a lot of horror films coming out

808
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,700
like last house on the left that
had violent rape scenes and that

809
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:33,900
he felt like the goal was to
make women feel uncomfortable

810
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:35,700
and he really wanted to turn
that around.

811
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:40,600
So he tried to evoke imagery of
pregnancy of rape.

812
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:44,500
I think it's super effective.
I mean every aspect of the way

813
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:47,500
this alien invades you it It's a
violation.

814
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,300
I mean, whether it's, you know,
going down your throat, to

815
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:53,300
impregnate you or if it's
whatever it does to people's

816
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:54,800
heads eating the brains or
whatever.

817
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,300
It's this like weird phallic
symbol of something that's like

818
00:43:58,300 --> 00:44:01,200
penetrating and yeah, I thought
it was really effective.

819
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,200
Brad, do you have thoughts on
the creature design?

820
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:05,600
Honestly, one of my first
thoughts when you were talking

821
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,500
about the creature design was,
what is another, you know,

822
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:15,700
character that is meant to be
fearful and meant to induce of

823
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:19,300
state of Horror and people.
And I think that you need not

824
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:21,600
look any further than Alien vs.
Predator.

825
00:44:22,100 --> 00:44:25,800
And when you look at the
Predator character design, he's

826
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,600
just not as terrifying as the
alien he's more familiar.

827
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,800
He's more humanoid.
There's something about the

828
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,700
character of the alien that is
so utterly.

829
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:41,600
Foreign that every aspect of him
is truly horrifying.

830
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:45,100
And I think that his character
design was brilliant.

831
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,200
If the goal was To make people,
you know, quake in their seats.

832
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:50,700
Brad, I think that's a great
point.

833
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:52,900
And you actually bring up
something that I think we should

834
00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:55,500
talk about, which is the
cultural impact of this movie is

835
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:59,600
had, you know, without alien.
I don't think you get a predator

836
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,600
film.
And certainly alien was

837
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,700
influenced by movies like Jaws.
I mean, this is essentially Jaws

838
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,200
in space, but I think that you
can't underestimate what Ridley

839
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,300
Scott's film Alien did for the
Sci-Fi and horror and eventually

840
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:17,500
even the action genres as well.
What do you think about, you

841
00:45:17,508 --> 00:45:20,100
know, some of the movies that
you've seen that remind you of

842
00:45:20,100 --> 00:45:22,100
alien?
The crazy thing to me about

843
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:25,800
watching alien was that I was
like a quarter way into the

844
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,100
movie.
And I was like, wait a second.

845
00:45:27,100 --> 00:45:30,000
I feel like I've seen this
before and as somebody who

846
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,300
watches very little horror and
by that, I mean, I've probably

847
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:39,200
seen two to four movies before
alien.

848
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,900
That could be considered true
horror films.

849
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:45,600
I immediately was like, I feel
like I've seen this movie before

850
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:48,500
and so I Looked back in my brain
and I thought about it, I was

851
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:53,100
like, wait a second, deep blue
sea, is literally a remake of

852
00:45:53,100 --> 00:45:57,000
alien, but instead of an alien,
it's a shark.

853
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,500
And instead of being in space,
there in the Pacific, Ocean or

854
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:02,300
somewhere, I think they're in
the Pacific.

855
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,000
It's literally the exact same
movie except for those slight

856
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,200
little differences.
I think this is a story that's

857
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,300
been done again and again and
again, just like you said

858
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:16,900
Prometheus is essentially just
another remake of alien Oh yeah,

859
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:20,300
this is like your typical
monster movie and who's to say

860
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:22,200
where it started.
I think at this point they all

861
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,800
influence each other but this is
the first film that I can recall

862
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,200
seeing some like really hardcore
sci-fi tropes, like things

863
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,700
getting sucked out into space.
I don't recall seeing a movie

864
00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:36,100
that came out before this where,
like, somebody opens I hatch and

865
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:38,000
things get sucked out into
space, like, and that's

866
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,100
something that you see all
through the alien franchise and

867
00:46:41,100 --> 00:46:45,000
in tons and tons of other space,
you know, set films.

868
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:47,300
Well, even in a The form of
media.

869
00:46:47,300 --> 00:46:51,100
I can think of tons of video
games that involve sucking

870
00:46:51,100 --> 00:46:53,300
things out of a hatch into
space.

871
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,400
You know, to kill your enemies.
Like, I think about Halo 2.

872
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,200
That's like, literally one of
the first missions.

873
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,600
You kill the Bad Guys by sucking
them out in the space.

874
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,200
Like, this is a common Trope.
In the Sci-Fi genre, that

875
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,500
transcends movies.
All right.

876
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:09,900
Before we wrap up here, I do
want to say something about what

877
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:13,200
I think is going on with the,
the larger meaning of this

878
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,200
movie.
If there is one because at the

879
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,200
end of the day, it really He is
just a fun kind of, I mean, it's

880
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,500
a rollicking good time watching
these people get picked off one

881
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:26,200
by one by this alien, on this
spaceship.

882
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,300
But I really love the insertion
of the ash character as an

883
00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:34,300
Android because I think it
hammers home, the point that

884
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,900
this movie is called alien.
But to me it was really about

885
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:40,500
what it is.
That makes us human, you know,

886
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:43,900
you have on one hand this alien
creature that, no one

887
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:46,200
understands that is called the
perfect organism.

888
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:50,100
ISM that adapts and survives
without any semblance of remorse

889
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:52,200
or morals.
And then on the other hand you

890
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,000
have Ash the Android who has
been programmed to Value the

891
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,500
mission above human lives.
And you know even after they

892
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,700
kill Ash in the kind of revive
him to ask him about the mission

893
00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:07,300
that he's sabotage.
He says about the alien I admire

894
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:09,700
its Purity.
How do we kill it?

895
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,400
There's got to be a way of
killing it.

896
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:19,600
How how do we do it?
You still don't understand what

897
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,400
you're dealing with, do you?
Perfect.

898
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,500
Welcome ism.
It's structural Perfection is

899
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:32,200
matched only by its hostility
you admire it.

900
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:41,200
I admire its Purity Survivor.
And I will close it by

901
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:46,200
conscience, remorse or delusions
of morality.

902
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,300
I heard enough of this in.
Am asking you to pull the plug.

903
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:57,800
Nice.
I can't lie to you about your

904
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:04,900
chances, you have my sympathies.
And so, on one hand, you have

905
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:07,200
the alien on the other.
You have the Android.

906
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,800
And I think, what Scott Ridley
Scott is doing here is he's

907
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,600
really drilling down deeply into
these things that make us human.

908
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,000
It is our morality.
It is the fact that these people

909
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,000
weep and mourn for each other,
it is the fact that they feel

910
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,900
fear, and at the end of the day,
it's really Skeptical, I think

911
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:29,400
of the sort of technological
advances that it portrays in the

912
00:49:29,408 --> 00:49:33,000
movie, like, it clearly doesn't
think the Android has the, the

913
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,500
upper hand from a moral
standpoint.

914
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:39,200
And I think it reminded me of
what it is that we Champion

915
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,100
about humanity and what makes us
who we are.

916
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,300
I will say though, that Android
had the upper hand if the goal

917
00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:52,000
was to spin really fast and just
shove a magazine down, someone's

918
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,600
throat.
Yeah, yeah, that was the moment

919
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,800
where R like, I guess I'm going
back to the very start of the

920
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,300
podcast and talking about
Ridley, Scott as a director.

921
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,100
But like, even as he was like,
shoving the magazine into her

922
00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:07,400
mouth and he was pushing away.
The other people, I was like,

923
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,600
man, how could a human, you
know, gags somebody so easily

924
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,800
with one hand and push the other
ones off.

925
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,800
And I still had no idea that he
was an Android, like, but is,

926
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,300
but isn't it super interesting
how they draw that that one,

927
00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:25,400
little subtle comparison even
between the Android and the

928
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,100
alien because the way the alien,
you know, kills people is by

929
00:50:29,100 --> 00:50:31,700
putting something in their mouth
and killing them from the inside

930
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:33,400
out.
And the way that Ash is trying

931
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,500
to take down Sigourney Weaver,
is by stuffing that magazine

932
00:50:36,500 --> 00:50:40,100
down her throat like somehow.
His first instinct was to do the

933
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:42,900
same thing, the alien does and I
think that really just drives

934
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:45,300
home.
The point that on this spaceship

935
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:49,800
there is human, and there is a
lien and this movie is

936
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,100
championing.
What it means to be human.

937
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,900
Yes, I think the beauty of this.
We, you know, if there is

938
00:50:55,900 --> 00:51:00,200
anything beautiful in it, is
that you see the relationships

939
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,800
between these humans grow.
And, and form, as they face

940
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,500
adversity, and I think that's
probably one of the most

941
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:11,400
important things about the human
condition is that when push

942
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,300
comes to shove humans, have this
Relentless drive to bond

943
00:51:15,300 --> 00:51:18,900
together to overcome the
problems that they face.

944
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,900
And I think that really hits at
what you were talking about Bob

945
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:26,000
that Humanity's morals and
values Are important.

946
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:29,600
And it is important for people
to have an overarching good that

947
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,900
governs their lives.
And one of those overarching

948
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:37,300
goods is the fact that we need
to bond together and help each

949
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:39,500
other rather than tear each
other down.

950
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:44,800
I also love that the characters
have a lot of complexity even

951
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,800
Dallas his decisions that he
makes throughout the film aren't

952
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,200
necessarily consistent morally
or emotionally.

953
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,400
He wants to bring cane back onto
the Ship.

954
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,600
But then later when that dead
body is launched out into space,

955
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,000
he's kind of just like anybody
have any last words?

956
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,400
Nobody says anything.
And he just launches the body

957
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,500
out.
I think that someone who's so

958
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,900
compassionate in the beginning
and then someone who later

959
00:52:11,100 --> 00:52:14,000
doesn't know how to react in
that situation is realistic

960
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,100
because as human beings were
really, just making decisions

961
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,600
moment to moment, and that's
what this movie is about.

962
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,200
It's about your morals, your
emotions, and the decisions you

963
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,400
make from moment to moment.
Problem solving in your life and

964
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,200
she drops the mic on us yet
again.

965
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,800
Brad.
Yeah, that I think that really

966
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,600
is a good place to end things on
the movie Alien.

967
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,600
But the final thing we have to
do is give it a score.

968
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:41,300
So, Bob, Jen would, what kind of
a score would you guys give

969
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:43,200
alien?
Well, I want to throw it over to

970
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,000
Jen first because we know this
is in her top five of all time.

971
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,300
So if she gives it like a 6 out
of 10, I'm going to be really

972
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:51,300
confused.
So I'm wow, I thought about this

973
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:54,600
for about three days straight
after we watch this movie.

974
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,500
At the fathom event.
And I was thinking, what score

975
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:59,600
would I get this?
It's one of my favorite films,

976
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,100
but that doesn't necessarily
mean.

977
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:04,800
It has to be a 10/10 and I was
really looking for things I

978
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,800
could pick apart about it.
Some of the special effects came

979
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,000
to mind that didn't necessarily
hold up now, but then I thought

980
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,100
about how it was made 40 years
ago and it still holds up, I

981
00:53:16,107 --> 00:53:19,500
think even though some of those
special effects, we could do

982
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:22,200
better now.
And I can't fault it for

983
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,700
anything that I can really think
of right now.

984
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,300
So I would give it a 10 out of
10.

985
00:53:26,900 --> 00:53:28,400
Yes, I'm kind of in the same
boat.

986
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,200
Jen is, you know, I did have a
few small faults with this

987
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,700
movie.
I thought that the way the

988
00:53:32,700 --> 00:53:35,200
characters reacted to some of
the things was a little

989
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,500
eye-rolling.
But you have that in any horror

990
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,500
movie that's just a horror movie
Trope.

991
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,100
You know some of the special
effects are a little bit dated.

992
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:44,700
Absolutely.
But I was gripped from this

993
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:46,700
movie from minute one.
You know.

994
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,000
I do think that we have
redefined in some ways what

995
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,100
makes a horror movie in the last
40 years.

996
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,600
I don't know that I would say
this movie terrified me.

997
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,700
Down to my core, but it was
really, really suspenseful.

998
00:53:57,900 --> 00:53:59,600
And the jump-scare still worked
on me.

999
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,400
Jenn can attest.
I jumped like three or four

1000
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,600
times in the course of the
movie, so it holds up and I

1001
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,700
don't know if I would give it a
10 out of 10 because I don't

1002
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:10,300
think it's perfect but darn it.
If I'm going to give it a nine

1003
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:13,800
point five out of ten, this
movie still works and it is

1004
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,900
still worth talking about as an
absolute icon of the genre man.

1005
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:22,000
Yeah, I am not surprised with
either of those scores.

1006
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,600
Honestly, in my head I played
the game of like what?

1007
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,000
I'm going to give it.
What is Bob going to give it and

1008
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,900
I put you guys both at a 10 and
a 9 and a half that you guys

1009
00:54:29,900 --> 00:54:35,300
gave it for me.
I agree 100% with what you guys

1010
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:39,100
are saying, you know?
Sure is some of the special

1011
00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:41,700
effects dated yes.
Is that okay?

1012
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:43,700
Yeah, you know, it's not the end
of the world.

1013
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:46,300
Would you kind of expect that
when you watch an older movie?

1014
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,900
I am going to give alien and
8.5.

1015
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,600
And honestly, I would give this
movie a 9 but I do.

1016
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:58,000
Do have a bias against the
horror genre.

1017
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,300
It is not my favorite genre.
I don't like how it makes me

1018
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:03,900
feel.
I don't enjoy.

1019
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,500
I I can't quite put words to the
things that it evokes in me.

1020
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,700
But there's the part of me that
I look at the horror genre and

1021
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,000
and I'm not somebody who's going
to say don't make horror films

1022
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:19,600
because I think horror films
have a lot to offer the film

1023
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,700
industry.
But my struggle is, do we really

1024
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:27,700
have to go to these places?
Says of horror and Terror and

1025
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:33,400
fear to learn the lessons that
horror films teach us and I know

1026
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,600
that Jane would probably say yes
we do.

1027
00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,300
And I would bet that Bob might
say, yes, we do as well.

1028
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,700
I just don't know if we do, and
I really do struggle with horror

1029
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:45,900
films in general, but it doesn't
stop me from giving this movie

1030
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:48,200
and 8.5.
It is directed.

1031
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,600
Well, the script is tightly
wound.

1032
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:53,400
It is suspenseful.
It is interesting.

1033
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:56,500
It gives you just enough.
Enough of a backstory to let you

1034
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:59,000
know what's going on, but it
doesn't give you so much that

1035
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,300
you get bogged down in it.
I mean, this is a phenomenal

1036
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:04,700
movie that I was very impressed
with Brad.

1037
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:05,900
I actually really appreciate
the.

1038
00:56:05,908 --> 00:56:09,000
You said all that man, that was
that was a pretty good, summing

1039
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,000
up of your thoughts on horror.
Thank you very much.

1040
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,300
Well there you have it Brad
gives it an eight and a half.

1041
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:17,700
I give it a 9 and a half.
Jen gives it a 10 that brings

1042
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:22,000
the average for me and Brad to a
9 out of 10 or a 90 out of 100.

1043
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,100
I think we both agree.
We know what whatever our On the

1044
00:56:25,107 --> 00:56:28,200
horror genre that this film
holds up and it is still

1045
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,700
effective to this day, but we
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1046
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:33,800
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1047
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:38,100
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1048
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1049
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1050
00:56:43,900 --> 00:56:46,700
We'd love to play it on air.
Our number is two one.

1051
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:49,700
Six eight hundred five nine,
two, three.

1052
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:53,900
Once again that's two one.
Six eight hundred five nine two

1053
00:56:53,900 --> 00:56:54,900
three.
Brad.

1054
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:57,200
Why don't you tell the people
what will be back reviewing next

1055
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,500
week?
Next week we will be reviewing

1056
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:04,200
1989 s When Harry Met Sally.
I'm so excited to talk about

1057
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,800
that one Brad, because I also
had not ever seen that film.

1058
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,500
So I'm still in the Brad G shoes
for another week, isn't it?

1059
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:14,800
Beautiful, my friend for the
film in whiskey podcast.

1060
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,700
I'm Bob book.
I am Reggie.

1061
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:18,900
I'm Jen lowers, we'll see you
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1062
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,400
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