Walk The Line / Woodford Reserve Double Oaked

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Hey everybody, this is Bob, this
is Brad and we just want to tell

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you really quick.
We are starting a series of

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movies this week about
musicians, about people who make

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music Brad, tell him what
movies, we have coming down the

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pipeline for him.
Bob, I am so excited for this

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little mini series.
We're doing.

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We're getting into Walk.
The Line, This Is Spinal Tap,

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Bohemian Rhapsody and what's the
fourth one?

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Well, Brad, the fourth one is
going to be a listener, special.

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Wow.
If you head on over to our

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social media accounts, as
Especially Instagram, you will

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see that we have offered a few
movies for you to select.

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We really like doing this a few
months ago when we did the

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episode on babe.
And so we want our fourth movie

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about musicians to be selected
by you.

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So, please head on, over to our
social media.

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You can find it, especially
prominently on our Instagram

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page and cast your vote for the
movie that you would like to see

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for the fourth week of our
miniseries.

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And it's almost like we want to
know what you have to say, film

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whiskey Nation.
So without any further Ado,

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let's get into this week's
episode.

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In 2005, director James mangled,
and star Joaquin Phoenix gave

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the world.
A captivating Chronicle of

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country music, legend, Johnny
Cash, in 2020.

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We take a trip down memory lane
to revisit an early favorite

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bourbon.
The film is Walk the Line.

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The whiskey is Woodford, double
oaked and we'll review them

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both.
This is the film and whiskey

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podcast.
Welcome to the film and whiskey

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podcast, where each week, we
review a classic movie and a

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glass of whiskey.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G.

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And this week we are looking at
the 2005 film Walk.

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The Line Brad.
We are wrapping up our little

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mini series of movies from 2005.
We looked at Brokeback Mountain,

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we looked at crash today.
We're looking at a movie that

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was also nominated for quite a
few Oscars.

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The musical biopic Walk the Line
about the story of Johnny Cash

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and June, Carter Cash.
I'm really excited to talk about

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this one Brad and you know, I
feel like every once in a while

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I have to break down a little
bit, you know, we say that we're

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reviewing a classic movie when
we get into each episode and I

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feel like Classic might be a
little bit of a stretch for this

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movie, you know, it's definitely
not making anybody's top 100 of

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all time list.
It was a big hit but it wasn't

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like a juggernaut at the box
office and so I will fully admit

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Brad.
We are reviewing this movie for

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two basic reasons.
Reason number one is it is a

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nice Bridge from us to come out
of talking about movies from

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2005.
Into the next series.

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We're going to do, which is
movies about musicians.

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The next few weeks on the
podcast, we will be looking at

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movies about people who make
music Isaac.

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And the second reason is I just
liked this movie and I thought

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it'd be fun to talk about.
So is it a classic?

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Sure because we said it was
because I said so that's right.

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Yeah man.
It well and beyond that fact,

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let's be really honest.
Johnny Cash is one of the

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greatest musical Legends ever to
live.

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Oh, absolutely.
So like it feels pretty, pretty

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obvious that we should start
our, you know, little mini

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series on musical biopics with,
you know, with the Self Johnny

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Cash.
Well, I think you bring up a

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good point to Brad.
We haven't done a ton of biopics

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on the show.
In fact, I'm really struggling

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to think about any right now.
I'm sure we've done a couple but

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this genre or this, I guess sub
genre of movie, The Musical

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biopic is I feel like we're
getting a movie every year.

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That's about some legendary
performer and their life story.

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And we're actually going to see
a movie in a few weeks here

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during our little mini series in
our bad movie bonus.

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Is that is also a musical
biopic, but I think of all the

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movies that we could have picked
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represent this genre, this is
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And I think it also really does
a good job of exemplifying both

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the good and the bad of a
musical biopic.

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Because while there's a lot of
good things going on in this

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movie, I think it also has like
every cliche of the genre

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represented here.
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Bob is There were multiple
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where I was just kind of bored,
like, like I hate to say it, but

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they probably could have trimmed
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movie.
Because there are certain scenes

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that just kind of went on longer
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I think that the musical scenes
while they were great and I love

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Johnny Cash and I think Joaquin,
Phoenix did an amazing job of

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sounding like Johnny Cash in the
end.

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I just kind of felt like we kind
of hit a few walls in the See

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story-wise and at those points
you know James Mangold was like

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you know what, we'll do here.
We'll put in another Johnny Cash

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song.
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I don't think that I was really
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me.
It was the thing of like, I knew

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exactly where the story was
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Not because I know what Johnny
Cash's life was like, but

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because I've seen enough of
these musical biopics to know

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that it's like oh you grew up
poor.

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Oh, you got famous.
Oh, you got hooked on drugs and

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then the end of the movie.
Going to be your, you know, your

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Redemption when you get clean,
that's like every movie ever

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made about a rock and roll
musician.

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Or in this case, a country
musician, follows those numbers.

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And I do think this is a really
paint-by-numbers kind of movie,

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but the thing is, I think that
the performances are so

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captivating and the, the
chemistry and the sexual tension

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between Joaquin, Phoenix, and
Reese Witherspoon in this movie

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is so palpable that it, like
it's captivating to watch and

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it, Never made me board as a
result of that.

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Baba.
I feel like you just said the

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words sexual tension like a 48
year old dad.

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I mean, I basically have a 48
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pretty much but the the movie
really does have a lot of great

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parts to it.
And I think that you pointed out

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the key thing.
Bob Joaquin, Phoenix, gives a

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great performance Reese
Witherspoon, great performance,

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Ginnifer Goodwin, great
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the board.
I think you have People who do a

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really wonderful job at
depicting characters who are

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complex, who are nuanced who are
interesting.

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And I think that, you know, even
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hey, he did drugs.
Hey, he cheated on his wife.

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Hey, he's divorced now like you
know, all those things, it all

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boils down to the fact that
Johnny Cash is a spectacular,

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musical, Legend, and even if his
story is similar to a lot of

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other musicians who go through
the same kind of Kle of struggle

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and tragedy, the dude was just
awesome and June, Carter, was

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you know, amazing, she's an
amazing performer.

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And so not only do we get to see
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just a biopic of Johnny Cash but
it's also a biopic for June

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Carter.
Yeah, definite and I really

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really enjoy where the movie
takes you by the end of it.

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Well, Brad for those who have
not seen the movie and might be

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unfamiliar with this story.
I think it's time that we segue

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into our favorite segments.
America's favorite segments,

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Brad Ins.
This is the part of the show

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where Brad breaks down the plot
of the movie that he has just

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seen often for the first time.
Brad, was this your first time

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seeing Walk the Line?
This was my absolute first time

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seeing Walk the Line.
Well, then this should be a good

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one, folks.
Brad, will you break down for

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our listeners in a spoiler
filled fashion?

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The plot of the movie.
Walk the Line Walk, the Line is

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a biopic about the musical
Legend star, Johnny Cash, it

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starts with him, recording his
famous live I'm at Folsom Prison

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and quickly, flashes back to him
as a child.

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He experienced his childhood
trauma while living in the Deep

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South in deep poverty.
His brother dies while trying to

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saw some wood and his father is
a mean drunk and his mother

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teaches him how to sing from the
hymnals.

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And we see him slowly work his
way out to become a country

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music star.
He he's in the Air Force in

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Germany for a while and he
marries his childhood

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sweetheart.
Vivian, they have a few kids

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together.
He comes back.

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He's trying to make money as a
Salesman and he finally is able

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to, you know, catch a big break
as his band takes off singing

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songs that he wrote during his
time in the Air Force from here.

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On out he meets June Carter, who
is part of the family, Carter,

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which was a traveling singing,
family back in the 50s and 60s

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and the dude, I mean, it's
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He gets to tour with Elvis
Presley, which I, I guess I just

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didn't know that about, Johnny
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That's just awesome.
So it's Johnny and Elvis and

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June and they're all running
around singing and and doing

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other things and he basically
falls in love with June Carter.

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He gets hooked on pills, you
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three-quarters the way through
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addicted.
He gets caught trying to smuggle

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pills back across the border,
his wife, Vivian divorces him

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and from there on out, you see
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life.
Much like an angel and helps him

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turn his life around.
Gets him away from the drugs and

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draws him into a more loving
healthy mature relationship and

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the movie ends with him
proposing on stage and and there

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you have it, they get married
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They certainly do Brad.
It really is a great story, true

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story.
And as we get into talking about

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the movie Brad, I think I want
to start with kind of how the

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film begins.
We have this sort of framing

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device of Johnny Cash, getting
ready to go out on stage and

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perform what would become his
most iconic album at Folsom

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Prison and then it flashes back
to his childhood and we get to

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see what causes cash to kind of
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What causes his really
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frustration and bitterness
towards towards everyone around

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him.
And it has to do with the death

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of his brother at a very young
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fact that his dad, like you
said, is a mean drunk who also

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blames Johnny Cash for the death
of Brother and also very

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explicitly says that he thinks
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And I really, really loved the
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beginning even if it does seem a
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paint-by-numbers little
heavy-handed, it was also a

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little heavy-handed for sure,
but I do think that as soon as

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we cut to the adult, you know,
Joaquin Phoenix version of

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Johnny Cash, you have a really
clear sense of why he carries

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himself the way he does.
Why he pushes people away?

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What this sort of like Fu
attitude, is that he carries

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with him everywhere and I
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when he's going off to join the
Air Force and he saying, goodbye

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to his mom and to his sister.
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looks at him and says like,
you're going to miss your bus.

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And he has this look on his face
and the only word that I could

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write down that described it for
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Phoenix had was a snarl, it was
just like a, he looked so bitter

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and I think Is does such a great
job in this movie of conveying,

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not just that Johnny Cash's
angry at everybody, but that he

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is at his core, a really
sensitive person.

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And I think he has some really
deep seated hurts and he does a

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great job of not making cash
seem like a jerk, but making him

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seem like a really wounded
person and I think, you know,

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kind of that Balancing Act, it
can be really, really hard to do

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and he pulls it off very well.
Bob, I will say this, I never

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once believed that it was Johnny
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sure that he did a great job of
portraying, his emotions and,

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and all of those things.
But, you know, when I watch a

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movie like a beautiful day in
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like, I know that it's Tom
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And yet I forgot about it
quickly, you know, when we got

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into the movie because he felt
like mr.

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Rogers.
There's just something about

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Joaquin Phoenix that felt like
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Phoenix, the entire film and I
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performance.
I don't think it's bad.

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I just don't know if he was the
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because I never once could stop
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was walking Phoenix.
You know, this is why I love

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discussing movies with you Brad
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really have like a personal
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It's a movie that I enjoy and,
you know, came out in my teenage

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years and it really hit me in a
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teenager and I like it but I'm
willing Have this kind of

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conversation about it, because I
think that it worked really,

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really well.
And I was able to get lost in

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the performance when you're
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sub-genre, the musical biopic, I
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two camps that can fall into.
There's the actors who really

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try to do an imitation or an
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they're playing and then there's
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I guess, you know, I'm gonna
sound super pretentious when I

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say this but like, you know, try
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they know they don't look like
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They know they Don't sound like
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And so it's more about, like,
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Can I get the overall attitude
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And when, when I think about
Walk the Line, the closest

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comparison would be a movie that
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cauldre about the life of Ray
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And I think at that movie is
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heavy-handed than this one is.
But the actor that played Ray

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Charles was Jamie Foxx, and he
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And he does a really great job
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But one of the things that Jamie
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learned how to To do the most
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imitation of Ray Charles that I
think anyone's ever seen in some

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scenes, the way that he sings
the songs, the looks on his

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face.
The, the Motions of his mouth.

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It looks exactly like Ray
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a still image of that and
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actually Ray.
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this movie and I think what
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so is he doesn't try to do the
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He's not tipping into imitation,
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like something else about him
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wise choice.
And for me it worked a lot

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better than if he had been like
the guy who played Elvis in this

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movie, who was just trying to
capture like I'm Elvis and now,

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you know, doing the Elvis voice.
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into the imitation side of
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way worse performance than it
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Was, I'm glad you brought up the
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fake Elvis person.
Trying to be Be Elvis.

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I like I legitimately for had to
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like Elvis was in the movie
because I was like, wait a

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second that that that guy can't
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doing a terrible job of it.
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Joaquin I I don't think you're
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I think that there is an essence
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distilled in joaquin's
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what I'm saying is maybe I do
want my biopic performer to look

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something like the performer
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play?
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Maybe maybe I just want the best
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Bob, I understand that impulse
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Yeah, but on the other Side of
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I really do think from what I
have learned and, you know, I

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obviously don't know much about
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I've watched a few videos of her
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really do think that Reese
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I would say the essence, the SAS
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I would say she looks somewhat
like her as well, but I'm also

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not as familiar with June
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Johnny Cash so I probably
Bubbly, I'm not noticing it

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nearly as much, you know what I
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Yeah, I get that.
I will say Brad that.

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I think that what Reese
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is like a small miracle, to be
quite honest with you because on

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the surface of it, you know, she
wins an Oscar for this movie and

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I think it's really easy to look
at what this movie is.

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The kind of movie.
It is the fact that it's not a

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perfect film and just say, like,
oh, it must have been a down

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year.
You know what I mean?

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Like, it must have been like,
Sandra Bullock when she won for

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the Blind Side.
Like, yeah.

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Listen to me big guns against a
fantastic actress and I think

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she deserved the Oscar for
Gravity.

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But what I'm saying is I think
when people look at movies like

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The Blind Side and this there's
that's like really snobbish sort

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of judgment that people say like
oh how did you know, how did she

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win for walk the line?
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the performance, she gives this
character so much heart, and so

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much depth.
And You can tell that her actual

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personality June Carter was very
feisty and very Charming, but

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you can also tell that she knows
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She knows how to charm the hell
out of anyone and you know,

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behind closed doors.
She carries some of that

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personality with her but you see
what it, what she looks like

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when the curtain goes down.
And I think that could have been

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a performance that in the hands
of another actress really could

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have tips into the like showy
over the top kind of performance

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and And Reese Witherspoon,
really, really anchors this

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character down.
We gotta show it to a matinee.

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You remember that we're just
practicing.

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Come on Jew.
Sit down.

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Why not?
Cause you're drunk.

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I'm going home tonight after the
show.

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I'm not here to look after you.
You're not.

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You got somebody to do that for
you, John.

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You got a wife somewhere, you
remember that?

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Too many ifs in that sense, only
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I actually, there's only one if
and Essence June, and I think

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that like, honestly, I was blown
away, and I've seen this movie,

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I don't know 10 times, but
really trying to watch for the

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nuances of the performance this
time around.

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I think she deserved every bit
of that Oscar that she won.

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Well, the beauty of her
performance is that she comes

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across Across as an everyday
person when she's not on stage.

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And I think the dichotomy of her
onstage, Persona versus who she

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is just sitting at the diner,
talking to Johnny about his

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childhood.
There's, there's this grounding

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that happens because of how
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This is something I've talked
about in the past, but there's

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sometimes certain actors are
able to portray characters, just

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so with so much genuineness that
Just draws me in and attaches me

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to who they are.
And I think that Reese

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Witherspoon exemplifies that in
this movie and I absolutely

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genuinely think that hers was my
absolute favorite performance in

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this film, Brad.
I'm really glad you brought up

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that scene, where they're in the
diner.

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It's right when Johnny Cash,
first joins that tour and he's

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telling her all about how he
grew up listening to her music

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and she asks him, you know, are
you really, are you tired?

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And he just has this really
heavy look and He nods his head

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and she's so reassuring and I
think, you know, especially like

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she comes up and she has this
very husky voice because her

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voice is gone, that scene is
such a small intimate scene in

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the middle of a movie about
people who live their lives on

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stage, and I appreciated it so
much because I thought the

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dialogue was great, the
performances were incredible and

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just the sort of balls, Enos it
took to put that scene in the

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middle of the movie.
I thought everything about that.

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Scene was Pitch.
Perfect.

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Well, and I think that they
needed a few more scenes like

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that, you know, we get some
really good scenes of, you know,

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Johnny Cash being on drugs and
being angry, you know, the scene

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where he pulls the sink out of
the wall was totally unscripted.

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He just did that on his own.
And so there seems like that

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that you kind of see the
depravity and the Brokenness

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that his childhood has caused
him that these pills are causing

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him.
But for some reason man, I

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wanted more of those scenes
where you just got to See June

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Carter be in June Carter you
know just just a normal human

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being.
Those scenes were so captivating

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for me, you know.
And I guess maybe I'm being a

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little unfair because you do
have a few more, you have her in

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the supermarket helping Johnny
pick out a gift for his daughter

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and things like that and when
she comes to Thanksgiving and so

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you see her in those moments but
I don't know, I just wanted

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more, I thought she was so good
in this film and I think that

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I'm with you, I think I could
have used more of I'm falling in

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love, you know, over against all
the scenes of him using drugs,

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but even with the small amount
of scenes that we got Brad, I

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don't know that I've ever seen
two characters or two actors

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that have this much palpable
chemistry throughout the movie,

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it in a sense that the movie
relies on their chemistry.

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Like, if you had two actors in
This film, that weren't firing

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on all cylinders and didn't have
that tension between them, this

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movie would fall completely flat
because so much of it is about

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At that, slow.
Build to the moment.

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They finally, you know, give
into their Temptations.

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They admit that they're in love
with each other and the Fallout

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from that, but it only works
because both of these actors

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have such incredible chemistry
with each other.

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And I don't know if I'm alone in
thinking that Brad, but for me,

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I really thought that they hit
the jackpot.

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You know, they struck gold here
with the two leads in terms of

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how their chemistry worked on
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Well, in the beautiful thing
about that chemistry is that it

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kind of puts Ginnifer Goodwin.
You know who plays his first

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wife?
Vivian in a shadow you see that

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shadow come out when you know,
Johnny is putting up pictures of

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his band and she's you know she
grabs the picture that's just of

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June and smashes it and they get
into a huge fight where Johnny

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almost you know hits Vivian.
And I think that the chemistry

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you see between walking and
Reese creates this awkwardness

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between Johnny and Vivian that
kind of Of lets you get on June

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and, you know, June and Johnny's
side more so than Johnny and

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Vivian Brad.
I'm glad you brought up Jennifer

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Goodwin to because of any of the
performances in this movie that

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I've ever seen.
Criticism of, I have seen some

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people that didn't like her
performance and I think it's

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because she is kind of written.
Very broad.

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Like, she's just the angry wife
and she's not given a ton to

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work with, but honestly,
especially on this watch

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through.
I think I watched her

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performance more critically than
anyone else.

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Because I wanted to figure out,
is she good?

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Is she bad in this movie?
But I think she's really, really

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good.
And I think that her reactions

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to what's going on around her
are completely Justified.

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I think that the decision she
makes as an actress to convey

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those emotions are all
completely Justified.

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I don't think she's chewing
scenery.

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I don't think she's over-the-top
everything.

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Still felt really grounded to me
and realistic and I thought

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Ginnifer Goodwin did a great
job.

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I was going to say if there's
any problem with the chemistry

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that Johnny and June have in
this.

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Movie.
It's the fact that it might make

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you think that Johnny is less of
a jerk for the stuff.

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He put Vivian through and I
think that Ginnifer Goodwin just

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was spectacular at portraying a
woman who was drawn, somewhat

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reluctantly into a relationship
and then discarded for another

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person like that.
Like she just pulls that off.

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So so well, I genuinely loved
her performance and once again.

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Then, you know, we talked about
how this movie is kind of paint

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by numbers but I would say the
lead three performers, walking

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Reese and Jennifer all three of
them.

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Knock it out of the park.
Yeah.

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For sure.
Brad.

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And I think this is a good place
for us to stop and to try our

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whiskey for the day before we
get into maybe some of our

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nitpicks with the episode in the
latter half.

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But before we get there, let's
stop here and let's try this

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Woodford Reserve double oaked
what do you say?

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Alright, so today we are trying
Woodford.

455
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:01,200
Reserve double oaked Brad?
This is the second time in just

456
00:26:01,208 --> 00:26:04,800
a few weeks that we have taken a
walk down memory lane together.

457
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,800
We tried Eagle Rare a few weeks
ago and we looked at Citizen

458
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,400
Kane.
And this week we're looking at

459
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,800
Double oaked, which was the
bourbon that made me fall in

460
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,300
love with bourbon when we were
living in Kentucky.

461
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,900
The first Distillery tour that I
ever did was Woodford, Reserve.

462
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:22,000
And at the end of that tour,
they gave you a small sample of,

463
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,600
you know, regular Allure
Woodford.

464
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,200
And then they gave you a small
sample of double oaked and word

465
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,900
for it is not the first
Distillery ever to do a barrel

466
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,500
finished whiskey but for some
reason they're double oaked

467
00:26:34,500 --> 00:26:38,300
really caught fire.
And it, I feel like it kind of

468
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,800
vaulted them even higher in
terms of people's respect for

469
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,800
them.
When this whiskey came out, it

470
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,900
was really one of the only ones
at the time that was doing a

471
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,400
sort of, you know, quote
unquote, double oaked process

472
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,000
which were going to talk about
in a second here.

473
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,100
And I remember when I tried that
whiskey for the first time, Man,

474
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,500
I was like, oh, I get it now,
like I can drink this other

475
00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,700
stuff but this double oaked.
This is something special.

476
00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:03,300
This is something different and
it's what made me want to keep

477
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:07,700
trying whiskies after that.
Yeah, hey, we got this for my

478
00:27:07,700 --> 00:27:10,200
birthday.
Probably three or four years ago

479
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,800
now and holy cow.
Bob.

480
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,700
This is one of the Whiskey's
that it's like, the reason I

481
00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:21,900
drink whiskey.
Yeah, I love this stuff so much.

482
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:24,800
I'm excited to get into it for
the podcast.

483
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,500
I'm actually a little bit
surprised.

484
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,700
We've made it halfway through
season 3 before, you know,

485
00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:33,000
trying it.
But I'm super pumped about it.

486
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,500
It's delicious, its tasty.
It's double oaked, which I still

487
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:37,700
don't really know what that
means.

488
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:40,900
But I don't really care because
this real good, it is really

489
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:42,500
good.
So, the double oaked thing means

490
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:45,700
this, they take their regular
Woodford, Reserve bourbon, which

491
00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:48,500
has been aged, as we know, in
new, charred, American Oak,

492
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,200
barrels, and they put it into a
second.

493
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,300
New charred American Oak.
Barrel.

494
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:56,100
The second Barrel what they do
is they actually have a process

495
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:58,600
where they toast to the barrel
first and then they Char it.

496
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,900
So it's a slightly different
kind of charring that they get

497
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:03,600
on the inside.
But what was unique about,

498
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,300
Woodford?
Double oaked, which came out?

499
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:09,000
I think in like 2012 is that,
you know, there were other

500
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,800
companies that were finishing
whiskey in barrels, but they

501
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,100
were almost always finished in
used barrels.

502
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:16,300
Like you'd get a used Wine
Barrel and you'd finish it in

503
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:19,300
that Woodford, was really the
first one that said, no, we're

504
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,000
going to use a completely new
second Barrel as well, so that

505
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,100
we can extract.
Act as much possible additional

506
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:28,100
flavor as we can.
So they take it out of the first

507
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:29,400
Barrel.
They put it in this brand new

508
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,300
second barrel and they age it
for about another year and they

509
00:28:32,300 --> 00:28:34,100
were one of the first to really
do that.

510
00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:37,000
And I think that that gamble has
paid off pretty handsomely for

511
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
them.
We'll all you have to do is take

512
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,000
a, take a nose of this and know
that it has paid off handsomely.

513
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:46,000
Yeah, I mean Brad, this is like
everything that we love on a

514
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,800
bourbon and it's the thing is,
it's not overpowering.

515
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:53,500
It's just like that additional
Barrel has just enhanced A great

516
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,000
sense that you get, there is
some obviously some oak on this,

517
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,300
a little bit of that Char, but
then it's just like, vanilla

518
00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:03,500
vanilla, vanilla vanilla and,
you know, a little bit of maybe

519
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:07,900
some caramel or brown sugar, but
it's like if you could make a

520
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:11,200
scent that was just called
classic bourbon, this would be

521
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,600
it.
It's not a ton of alcohol.

522
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,000
It's just an incredibly Pleasant
nose to sip their to sniff, just

523
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,800
sip it right up your nose.
That's right.

524
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,700
Hey, dumb question.
How I drink my whiskey.

525
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,900
Ski man.
It's 2020 man.

526
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:28,400
That she's how did your spirit
Drink Your Whiskey.

527
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,400
How you want to Bob this nose is
perfect.

528
00:29:32,900 --> 00:29:34,900
I'm going to give it a 9 and a
half out of ten.

529
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:39,900
Wow, I just love.
This knows it's warm, it's

530
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:44,200
caramely, it's tons of vanilla.
There's almost a hint of like

531
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,300
marshmallow on it.
It's just spectacular.

532
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,600
I can't think of many Bourbons
that have a better nose.

533
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,800
No, it's a great one.
I'm going to give it a 9 out of

534
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,300
10 and I'll say this before we
take a sip you know with eagle

535
00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:00,300
where I felt like my my opinion
of the Came Crashing Down to

536
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,800
Earth a little bit.
So I'm slightly nervous to try

537
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,100
this brand because it's been a
couple years since I've had it.

538
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,400
But if it's anything like this
knows I think that we are in

539
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:15,600
good hands here.
So let's give this a sip Oh,

540
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,000
man.
That is so smooth, man.

541
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,300
Right?
When that hits the tip of my

542
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,700
tongue, I get a little bit of
that deep Oak and a lot of that

543
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:28,400
sweet vanilla.
Like there's those vanilla

544
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,700
tones, that kind of underlie.
Everything that's going on.

545
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,200
I feel like it almost has a
sense of like a like a like a

546
00:30:35,208 --> 00:30:39,400
dried fruit to it.
There's that oakiness there's

547
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,900
Nila.
This is a tasty tasty palette

548
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:44,300
Bob.
I'm going to give it an eight

549
00:30:44,300 --> 00:30:45,900
and a half out. 210 on the
palate.

550
00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:46,500
Wow.
Yeah.

551
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:49,000
Bright I think we're actually
going to diverge a little bit

552
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,900
here because for me this wasn't
nearly as sweet as I was

553
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:54,000
expecting it to be.
I thought it would have some of

554
00:30:54,008 --> 00:30:56,800
those great caramely notes right
on the tip of my tongue.

555
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,200
You get some alcohol tingle and
then as you kind of kick it to

556
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,100
the back of your mouth is,
there's definitely Oak to it but

557
00:31:04,300 --> 00:31:07,100
it's not unsweet.
There's definitely like a vague

558
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:11,100
sweetness to it but it's not
vanilla heavy to me it's not

559
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:16,100
caramel or brown sugar, it's
just kind of a a Oak heavy

560
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,300
bourbon without that, underlying
vanilla that we had on the nose.

561
00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,000
So you're picking it up, I'm not
really getting it as much.

562
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,300
It wasn't nearly as sweet as I
would have liked it to be.

563
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,000
I'm actually only going to give
this a six and a half on the

564
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,700
taste.
Whoo Roberts, man.

565
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:36,000
I will agree with you that the
sweetness isn't as heavy as I

566
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600
thought it might be from the
nose, but I like that.

567
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,100
I think the the more I think
about it, this bourbon had its

568
00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:49,700
deep and it's dark on the palate
and I really like that taste and

569
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:52,900
flavor so that's why I gave it
an eight and a half.

570
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:55,400
I think when you get to the
Finish though is where this

571
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,600
really shines.
Like the, the finish on this

572
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,300
whiskey is about, there's only
one word for it.

573
00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:05,600
It's smooth.
There's a nice mellow warmth

574
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,600
that sits on your on your
throat.

575
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,200
It's not harsh, it doesn't burn
too much.

576
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:14,500
It's just a nice little thing
that I think if you had to

577
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:18,800
Define The word Kentucky hug, it
would be with this bourbon

578
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:19,700
Brown.
I'm curious.

579
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:21,200
Are you drinking this out of a
Glencairn?

580
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:24,300
I am.
I am as well and I'm not getting

581
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:26,000
a lot of what you're picking up
today.

582
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,700
So we must just be in different
places today.

583
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:32,000
I don't really get much of a
Kentucky hug which I also like I

584
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,500
think that there's definitely
like a warming kind of sensation

585
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:38,200
on the way down, but there's no
burn.

586
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,900
There's no chest burn.
And I think that's what I really

587
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:43,800
love about this you swallow and
it gives you like just a little

588
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,200
pop of smoke.
Coke on the finish.

589
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,000
And it's a lasting Oak flavor on
your palate and a really nice

590
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,900
pleasant kind of mellow warmth
in your chest.

591
00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:58,500
So it lets you know, it's there
but there's definitely no burn

592
00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,400
to it.
Last week, we tried Blanton's

593
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,100
and that was the harshest chest
burn I've ever had in a whiskey

594
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:07,200
and this is the complete
opposite of that.

595
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,700
It's a really nice sort of
gentle warming sensation but no

596
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:14,600
burn at all I really really love
the finish on this.

597
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,900
I'm going.
Give it an eight and a half out

598
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:16,800
of ten.
Yeah.

599
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,500
I already said how much I like
this.

600
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:20,800
I'm going to give it a 9 out of
10 on the Finish.

601
00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:22,700
Well, that takes us to overall
balance.

602
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,100
That's where we talk about knows
taste and finish all put

603
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:27,700
together.
Does it Mary?

604
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:30,000
Well.
Does it go from one to the other

605
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,100
in a very smooth way or are
there Peaks and valleys?

606
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,700
For me?
I think the taste did take this

607
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:40,000
down a peg Brad but the Finish
kind of tied that nose in The

608
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,500
Taste together to redeem it a
bit.

609
00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:44,800
I'm going to give this a seven
on.

610
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:47,300
Once you know what?
No I'm going to give us a seven

611
00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:49,300
and a half.
Mom, I'm going to give this an

612
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:52,000
eight and a half on balance.
I think this is a beautiful

613
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,200
whiskey.
It it tells you what it's going

614
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,000
to do, you know?
It's not.

615
00:33:56,100 --> 00:33:59,100
It's maybe a little less sweet
on the palate than it is on the

616
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:02,000
nose but that doesn't really
bother me at all.

617
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,700
There's lots of unique flavors.
I think it's a complex whiskey

618
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:09,600
that has a beautiful finish.
I think it's a really solidly

619
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,100
balanced whiskey.
I just took like my third sip of

620
00:34:12,107 --> 00:34:15,800
this and it really developed
some great It's on the Finish as

621
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,400
well.
I think it started open up a bit

622
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,800
and I would suspect that as I
sit more of it.

623
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,100
And as I let it kind of open up
in the glass that my scores

624
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:28,100
might change a little bit.
I will say, I still think the

625
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:30,199
taste was the low Point here.
I don't know if you'd agree with

626
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,500
me on that Brad, but the nose
was almost perfect.

627
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:37,400
The Finish was very, very good.
So yeah, it just dipped a bit

628
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,900
because of the taste.
Well, that brings us to our

629
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:44,000
final category, which is value.
You know, when we talk about a

630
00:34:44,007 --> 00:34:47,600
lot of unique Whiskey's like
this that come out of large

631
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,699
companies, the prices can
sometimes, get insane.

632
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:54,300
You know, you have these brands
that have really knows about, I

633
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,600
think Buffalo Trace is the
perfect example of this.

634
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,900
You have things like Blanton's
that the price just gets out,

635
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:04,900
just ridiculous out of bounds
and it's prohibited for so many

636
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,900
people for Woodford.
Reserve, double oaked in the

637
00:35:07,908 --> 00:35:11,600
state of Ohio, you're looking at
$51.99.

638
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:15,600
So a 52 dollar bottle of whiskey
for what I would say it would be

639
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,700
a very high-end classy classic
bourbon experience.

640
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,300
I'm gonna say this, it's a
little bit higher than I would

641
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:26,100
want.
Like, in my mind.

642
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:31,800
This should be like a 38 to 42
dollar bottle of whiskey, but 51

643
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,700
99 isn't too far above that.
I think it's a decent price.

644
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,500
I'm going to give it a six and a
half out of ten on value.

645
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,200
Yeah.
So just a little bit more info

646
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,200
about this, this product it
comes in at 90.4, proof.

647
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,900
I think it Drinks a little bit
hotter than 90, Proof Brad.

648
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:50,200
I got, I would have thought that
this was in the 96 to 99 kind of

649
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,100
a range.
It used to retail for about $10

650
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,800
more than regular Woodford.
And I think now is probably up

651
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,100
to about thirteen fourteen
dollars more than regular

652
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:02,200
Woodford, but I don't think that
it's unfairly priced especially

653
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,500
knowing like what the process is
that they're not dumping it into

654
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,600
used barrels for its second, you
know, doubling of the oak.

655
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,600
They're using another new
Barrel.

656
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,100
It's a more costly process for
them.

657
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,600
I This is really fairly priced
and it's just enough of a high

658
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,800
shelf product that if you bought
this for somebody for their

659
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,300
birthday, it's a really solid
gift.

660
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:25,700
Know what I mean?
Like this is not something that

661
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:28,300
anyone would thumb their nose at
everyone.

662
00:36:28,300 --> 00:36:32,200
I know that drinks this likes.
It is a really, really solid

663
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,200
whiskey.
I'm going to give it a seven and

664
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,500
a half on value and that takes
my final score to a 39 out of

665
00:36:38,508 --> 00:36:39,200
50.
Brad.

666
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,800
What's that?
Bringing you to, that takes me

667
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,900
out to a 42 out of 50.
So that brings our average They

668
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:49,800
40.5 out of 50 or an 81 out of
100.

669
00:36:49,900 --> 00:36:52,800
This is right up there with the
top Whiskey's that we've had

670
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,000
this season.
I might have sounded a bit more

671
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,300
negative on this than Brad did
but make no mistake, I love this

672
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:01,100
whiskey.
It is a really, really great

673
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:03,100
whiskey.
And for me, it holds a lot of

674
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:06,200
nostalgia and sentiment.
I don't know if it's the same

675
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,900
for you Brad, but this
definitely held up better under

676
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,300
scrutiny than Eagle Rare did a
few weeks ago.

677
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,200
Yeah, I think it did.
You know, I still love Eagle

678
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,700
Rare eye.
Enjoy it.

679
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,500
But you can tell that it's a
thirty dollar bottle of whiskey

680
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:22,300
versus this being a fifty dollar
bottle of whiskey.

681
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,700
So I think that this is a
spectacular value.

682
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:29,800
I think that anytime you get a
chance to drink this, go out and

683
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,100
get it.
I would highly recommend it for

684
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:34,100
yourself.
Like you said, Bob as a gift for

685
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:37,200
a friend, go get yourself.
Some Woodford, Reserve double

686
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,900
oaked.
Once again, we want to thank the

687
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:42,000
Woodford Reserve, Distillery for
sending us these samples, if you

688
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,600
want to hear more, listen to our
episode from a few weeks ago.

689
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,800
Where we interviewed Master
distiller, Chris Morris and We

690
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,500
Sip double up while we did it.
But Brad, I think for now it's

691
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:54,200
time for us to get back into
talking about Walk the Line.

692
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,300
What do you say?
Let's get to it.

693
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,500
Alright, so that was Woodford,
Reserve double oaked, one of the

694
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:45,500
highest-ranked Whiskey's that
we've had this season and

695
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:48,900
definitely a nostalgic favorite
for me and Brad.

696
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,200
But now we are getting back into
talking about Walk.

697
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200
The Line, a movie that I really
like.

698
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,300
And I'm still not sure where
Brad falls on this so, Brad, I

699
00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:00,700
think that we need to talk about
the most important thing that

700
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:06,800
this movie gave our culture and
that is the film Walk Hard.

701
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,300
The Dewey Cox Story.
Starring John C, Reilly.

702
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:12,400
It's a movie that they just put
up on Netflix and I stayed up

703
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,500
till three in the morning,
watching the other night because

704
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:18,100
I finished Walk, the Line, I
happen to click out of HBO, Max

705
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:21,900
and I turned on Netflix and I
saw Walk Hard like right there.

706
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:23,600
And I was like, oh my gosh, I've
never seen it.

707
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,000
I've always wanted to, it was
hilarious, but I think that it

708
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,400
deserves to mentioning because
it is so clearly a parody of

709
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,800
movies like this.
It follows the exact same

710
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,100
structure.
It actually starts with John C,

711
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:39,300
Reilly getting ready to perform
at a concert.

712
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,400
Sir just like Johnny Cash and
he's like facing the wall and a

713
00:39:43,408 --> 00:39:45,000
guy comes to get him and they're
like mr.

714
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,000
Cox.
It's time to go on and the guy

715
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,900
pulls him aside and he's like,
don't you know Dewey Cox has to

716
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:52,900
think about his entire life
before he goes out and performs

717
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:57,100
a flashback to, you know, his
growing up in Alabama or

718
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,300
whatever.
It's such a funny movie but I

719
00:40:00,300 --> 00:40:04,300
think it's so accurately.
Pinpoints what's wrong with this

720
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:08,400
movie Brad and that is that for
as great as the performances are

721
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,500
for as great as I thought.
I think some of the camera work

722
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:14,500
is in this movie.
It ultimately follows, a super

723
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,900
clichéd, story line, and I think
that even if you haven't seen

724
00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:22,700
the movie, you probably know
exactly what happens in it, like

725
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:25,100
beat by beat.
And I guess I'm just wondering

726
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,300
Brad for a guy that has only
seen this movie.

727
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,400
Once how much of a knock on the
movie is that like, does it

728
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,200
still ultimately work for you?
Or does the fact that it is so

729
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,800
cliched take it down a couple
notches?

730
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,100
Well, Bob, I'm gonna point you
to another Movie to explain my

731
00:40:41,100 --> 00:40:42,700
answer and it's actually a
movie.

732
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:45,900
I haven't seen I have heard lots
of reviews of and I've heard

733
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:50,100
your opinion of quite often, but
that is Bohemian Rhapsody.

734
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,400
And I guess in my mind, if this
was an accurate depiction of

735
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,300
Johnny Cash's life which from
what I can tell?

736
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:03,800
It was then no it does not
bother me at all that.

737
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,500
It's a paint-by-numbers you know
movie because of Johnny Cash's

738
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:12,900
life was a paint-by-numbers You
know, rock star life, then I'm

739
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,700
okay if they make a movie that
reflects reality, you know, the

740
00:41:16,700 --> 00:41:20,000
big problem with Bohemian
Rhapsody is that they literally

741
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,900
made up half the movie right,
you know, and unfortunately

742
00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:28,400
apparently that means it was
good because people threw money

743
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,900
at it just straight out of their
pockets.

744
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,600
So I I don't know what to say
about it.

745
00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,800
I like the fact that the movie
stayed true to his life, you

746
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,100
know, I was Googling during the
movie, did John Cash proposed

747
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,400
the June Carter on stage.
Oh, guess what he did.

748
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,000
He actually did that.
That wasn't something they made

749
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,200
up to spice up the movie.
So for me, I do not mind at all

750
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,500
if this movie falls into
cliches.

751
00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:55,100
Yeah, Brad I think I'm right
there with you.

752
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,900
I mean, there's a reason that we
have, you know, the phrase sex

753
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,500
drugs and rock and roll in the
Lexicon.

754
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,800
It's not Johnny Cash's fault.
If every rock star that came

755
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000
after him, had a very similar
life, it's not Johnny Cash's

756
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,300
fault that Ray Charles had a A
similar life or that Elton John

757
00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:14,600
had a very similar life like all
the movies about these people

758
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,300
follow the same beats, because
they're basically staying true

759
00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:20,800
to the story of what that
person's life was like.

760
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,400
And I do think that we're
starting to finally get some

761
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,200
movies where they're trying to
creatively tell that story

762
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,100
instead of going over the whole
thing again.

763
00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:31,100
And again, honestly Brad for me
it feels like when I watch one

764
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,800
of these movies, it's almost
like every time they reboot

765
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,500
Batman and you have to watch
Batman's parents, get shot

766
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,200
again.
It's like we know that we know

767
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,500
the story now.
You Have to keep doing this.

768
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:43,100
You don't have to keep killing
Uncle Ben every time you make a

769
00:42:43,107 --> 00:42:46,900
Spider-Man movie.
So like I appreciate that.

770
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:49,500
We're finally starting to get
some creative ways of working

771
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,700
around that, but I don't think
that it's necessarily a bad

772
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:56,700
thing if a filmmaker chooses to
just tell the story, the way

773
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:00,500
that it actually happened and
again like, you know, are there

774
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:02,700
parts of this movie that are
just a little too clichéd for

775
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:03,400
me?
Sure.

776
00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:07,000
But at the end of the day Brad,
I think the performance is our

777
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,000
what this movie is about.
And I think the Director, really

778
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,000
wisely leans into that and he
knows like the story is June and

779
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,700
Johnny and the more June and
Johnny that we have on screen,

780
00:43:16,700 --> 00:43:19,400
the better of a movie.
It's going to be because I don't

781
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,400
know another movie like this
that has a strong of a love

782
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,800
story as this one does and
that's where the movie really

783
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,900
succeeds for me.
Well, Bob in the end I think

784
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:32,100
that the question you have to
ask yourself as a moviegoer

785
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:37,900
going into any sort of biopic
is, what do I want to see out of

786
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:42,300
this movie?
Is my goal to see a Citizen Kane

787
00:43:42,300 --> 00:43:45,200
of a film?
Or is it to kind of catch some

788
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,400
of the Nostalgia catch?
Some of the Vibes of a person

789
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,700
that I loved?
You know, if they make a biopic

790
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:54,000
about Elvis Presley and the main
star doesn't sound or look

791
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600
anything like Elvis, then people
are going to be disappointed

792
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,900
because they want to see Elvis
again.

793
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:04,500
And I think that's where
biopics, it's the Crux of why

794
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:08,100
they're good.
And yet why they struggle to be

795
00:44:08,100 --> 00:44:11,100
known as great.
Films because in the end you're

796
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:14,100
just rehashing somebody's life.
That was really famous.

797
00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:17,400
The reason it's going to make
money isn't because it's a great

798
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,400
film.
It's because the famous person

799
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,500
was famous.
So I for me, I think that they

800
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,100
did a spectacular job in this
movie, I think that Johnny Cash

801
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,800
is represented really well, even
though I struggle to believe

802
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,500
that it's not walking Phoenix up
there the whole time.

803
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,000
I think June Carter does great.
I think Vivian is spectacular.

804
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,800
So for me, I'm fine.
Fine with it.

805
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,100
I got to live with Johnny Cash
for a little bit.

806
00:44:42,100 --> 00:44:43,700
Got to hear his voice a little
bit.

807
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,400
I was satisfied.
So Brad, what would be your

808
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,800
final score on this movie?
Then, you know, I think I would

809
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,600
give it Man, I'm honestly stuck
in between a 7 and a half or an

810
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,700
eight, like I feel like I'm 22.
I feel like a seven-and-a-half

811
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:02,500
is kind of what it deserves, but
you know what?

812
00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:04,100
I think.
I'm gonna give it an 8 out of

813
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:06,400
10.
I think it's a solid movie.

814
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,900
I think it has a lot going for
it, is it perfect.

815
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,900
No is a little bit Bland at
certain points.

816
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:13,100
Yes, but I like it.
It's good.

817
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:16,100
I love, Johnny Cash.
I am in the exact same boat as

818
00:45:16,100 --> 00:45:17,600
you.
I think that like, if I really

819
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,900
wanted to put my critic glasses
on and say, like objectively,

820
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,300
Lee.
What is this movie?

821
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,700
It's like a seven and a half but
it just worked so well for me

822
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,500
and the performances were just
so.

823
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:31,400
Darn Charming that.
I think I'm also going to give

824
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,200
it an 8 out of 10 now.
Like are we comparing every

825
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,200
eight out of ten movie that we
gave to this?

826
00:45:37,300 --> 00:45:41,400
No, but like on its own merits
and how much enjoyment I got out

827
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,100
of it.
It's an 8 out of 10 for me and

828
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,600
that means that our average was
really easy to calculate this

829
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,000
week.
Brad, we came out to an 8 out of

830
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,900
10, even, you could figure it
out.

831
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,200
That's right.
But we want to know what filmin

832
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,300
whiskey Nation thinks of this
movie.

833
00:45:55,300 --> 00:45:58,300
So please, if you like to walk
the line, if you didn't like

834
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,400
walk the line, if you want to
call us and quote, the Dewey Cox

835
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,100
Story at us.
You can do that by finding us on

836
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:07,400
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837
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,500
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You can leave us a voicemail and

838
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:17,000
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839
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,100
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840
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,300
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841
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:26,800
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842
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:29,300
Next week, we're continuing our
walkthrough movies about

843
00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:32,800
musicians with the 2000 film,
Almost Famous.

844
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:35,500
So join us for that next week
for the film and whiskey

845
00:46:35,500 --> 00:46:38,700
podcast.
I'm Bob book, I'm Brad G and

846
00:46:38,700 --> 00:46:39,600
we'll see you next time.